Civility.

dv said:

Civility.

Be damned, the bastards.

Labor senator Fatima Payman has been indefinitely suspended from the Labor Party caucus after giving a defiant interview on Insiders where she indicated that she would cross the floor again.

diddly-squat said:

Labor senator Fatima Payman has been indefinitely suspended from the Labor Party caucus after giving a defiant interview on Insiders where she indicated that she would cross the floor again.

Oh yeah… thanks for the reminder. What say you PWM about her crossing the floor? Penny’s said her bit…

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

Labor senator Fatima Payman has been indefinitely suspended from the Labor Party caucus after giving a defiant interview on Insiders where she indicated that she would cross the floor again.

Oh yeah… thanks for the reminder. What say you PWM about her crossing the floor? Penny’s said her bit…

Quite analogous situations, really. A plurality of Australians support recognition of Palestine but the two major parties aren’t budging.
Still, there’s a price to being part of a Party and FP does have the option to continue as an independent senator if that price is too high for her.

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

Labor senator Fatima Payman has been indefinitely suspended from the Labor Party caucus after giving a defiant interview on Insiders where she indicated that she would cross the floor again.

Oh yeah… thanks for the reminder. What say you PWM about her crossing the floor? Penny’s said her bit…

I admit to not following this debate, but I have a question:

How does a “two state solution” work if Palestine is not recognised as a state?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

Labor senator Fatima Payman has been indefinitely suspended from the Labor Party caucus after giving a defiant interview on Insiders where she indicated that she would cross the floor again.

Oh yeah… thanks for the reminder. What say you PWM about her crossing the floor? Penny’s said her bit…

I admit to not following this debate, but I have a question:

How does a “two state solution” work if Palestine is not recognised as a state?

Two Jewish states¡

Yeah reads like they’re avoiding the question.

we need more Wilkies. At least then your representative can be representative.

sarahs mum said:

we need more Wilkies. At least then your representative can be representative.

There are certain situations where independents can play a critical role in parliament but for the most part independents have no influence on policy whatsoever.

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

we need more Wilkies. At least then your representative can be representative.

There are certain situations where independents can play a critical role in parliament but for the most part independents have no influence on policy whatsoever.

I realise. but I do respect how hard then man works in his electorate and how much he does try to be representative.

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

we need more Wilkies. At least then your representative can be representative.

There are certain situations where independents can play a critical role in parliament but for the most part independents have no influence on policy whatsoever.

I realise. but I do respect how hard then man works in his electorate and how much he does try to be representative.

Sometimes i am jealous of Clarke.

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

we need more Wilkies. At least then your representative can be representative.

There are certain situations where independents can play a critical role in parliament but for the most part independents have no influence on policy whatsoever.

I realise. but I do respect how hard then man works in his electorate and how much he does try to be representative.

Wilkie is a top bloke, that is for sure.. but I’m just not convinced we need more independents.

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

There are certain situations where independents can play a critical role in parliament but for the most part independents have no influence on policy whatsoever.

I realise. but I do respect how hard then man works in his electorate and how much he does try to be representative.

Wilkie is a top bloke, that is for sure.. but I’m just not convinced we need more independents.

I reckon we always want a small group of them. They can raise matters in parliament that the major parties want to kept quiet, or even act as whistle-blowers of scandal.

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

I realise. but I do respect how hard then man works in his electorate and how much he does try to be representative.

Wilkie is a top bloke, that is for sure.. but I’m just not convinced we need more independents.

I reckon we always want a small group of them. They can raise matters in parliament that the major parties want to kept quiet, or even act as whistle-blowers of scandal.

-like those bizarre times when you find jacqqui lambie being representative.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

Wilkie is a top bloke, that is for sure.. but I’m just not convinced we need more independents.

I reckon we always want a small group of them. They can raise matters in parliament that the major parties want to kept quiet, or even act as whistle-blowers of scandal.

-like those bizarre times when you find jacqqui lambie being representative.

Yeah. i guess we’ve got to the thank Clive for Jacqui.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

I reckon we always want a small group of them. They can raise matters in parliament that the major parties want to kept quiet, or even act as whistle-blowers of scandal.

-like those bizarre times when you find jacqqui lambie being representative.

Yeah. i guess we’ve got to the thank Clive for Jacqui.

She is a bit of a spinner though. you never know where she is going to land.

How about more wikis, maybe for when someone wants to take a lea…

… wait¿¡

Communists Claiming To Support Modern Two State Initial Solution Show Their True Appeal To Irredentist Tradition Colors

for a long time, that to move together after discussion you have to band together and have solidarity with your colleagues,” she said. “That is how we operate, and it’s how we’ve always operated.

sarahs mum said:

we need more Wilkies. At least then your representative can be representative.

But Not More Wilkes ¡

The 33-hectare site is littered with approximately 3,000 rusted drums, which previously contained, or still contain, fuels and other hazardous substances. There are also several asbestos-riddled buildings, as well as a range of waste, including batteries, old cans of food and animal carcasses. Much of it is buried beneath the ice and snow, although some is visible on the surface, including near the coastline.

“The inspection team deemed the deteriorating state of the abandoned Wilkes Station site concerning,” the group’s report stated. “The presence of buildings partially or completely covered, along with waste and contaminants of various kinds and in significant quantities, poses a clear risk to the Antarctic environment and its dependent and associated ecosystems, including marine ecosystems.”

What Would Barbara

“It’s a day where we want to talk about tax cuts … And instead, you have seamlessly segued into the actions of an individual which is designed to undermine what is the collective position that the Labor Party has determined,” he said.

Streisand Do¿

Wait¿

Oh wait LOL¿

Guess

It’s Time

For The

But he added “we are all members of the team. We only get the privilege of serving in this parliament not because of who we are as individuals, but because when we stand for election, the word Labor is next to our name.”

Olive Wave ¡

SCIENCE said:

Guess

It’s Time

For The

But he added “we are all members of the team. We only get the privilege of serving in this parliament not because of who we are as individuals, but because when we stand for election, the word Labor is next to our name.”

Olive Wave ¡

A new political organisation plans to unseat Labor MPs in a ‘teal-style’ campaign capitalising on Muslim community anger over the government’s Gaza stance.

28 June 2024
The Launceston Examiner report

LGH death certificates reviewed after ‘irregular’ action exposed

Death certificates signed off by a Launceston General Hospital manager are under review.
Death certificates signed off by a Launceston General Hospital manager are under review.

Death certificates recorded at a Tasmanian public hospital are under a spotlight after an examination of the activities of former hospital executive Dr Peter Renshaw.

An independent panel said it had uncovered irregular practices by a Launceston General Hospital staff member, who was revealed during a parliamentary inquiry to be Dr Renshaw.

The panel said he completed or edited death certificates on multiple occasions where he was not the treating doctor, and raised questions around the accurate documentation of conversations with coroners.

The panel now recommends a review of every death certificate at LGH that was certified by Dr Renshaw.

Health Department Acting Secretary Dale Webster said the panel will now review 63 more deaths recorded by the LGH.
Inaccurate certificates may prevent coronial inquest.

The independent panel looking at reportable death processes at Tasmanian public hospitals began its review in February this year after allegations that a staff member failed to report deaths at the hospital correctly.

The panel initially reviewed 21 patient deaths that were flagged as requiring further examination.
Of these, the panel referred six deaths to the coroner.

The panel will now look at whether Dr Renshaw edited any other medical death certificates for patients at the Launceston General Hospital.

Dr Renshaw came under the public spotlight during 2022’s commission of inquiry for lying about child abuse at the LGH to government superiors.

He retired one month later.

When should a death be reported to the coroner?

Under current laws, any unexpected death in the hospital where a medical procedure may have caused the death must be reported to the coroner.

The treating medical practitioners must write a death certificate to record the cause of death and to certify that they attended to the deceased patient.

In hospitals, it is practice that only the treating medical team should write the death certificate because they have “the most in-depth knowledge about the deceased, their medical conditions and cause of death”.

If the medical practitioner finds that a lack of medically accepted treatment may have caused the death, then they must report the death to the coroner.

It is the coroner’s job to decide whether an inquest into the death should be held.

A coronial inquest brings possible public scrutiny to the death and opens up avenues for medical negligence claims for legal compensation and coronial recommendations for change.

Panel uncovers questionable, possibly illegal practices at LGH

In its interim report, released on 21 May, the panel said the LGH staff member completed or edited death certificates on multiple occasions when he was not the treating doctor.

The panel said that the irregular practices related to:

Mr Webster said the panel has ruled out broader systemic issues.

“While the panel has advised that they have not observed any practices or evidence that there is a systemic issue, all of these cases

were originally assessed by a single former staff member, who the Department of Health no longer employs,” Mr Webster said
.
“The Panel will now examine an additional 63 matters to date that were originally assessed by the single former staff member.”

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Guess

It’s Time

For The

But he added “we are all members of the team. We only get the privilege of serving in this parliament not because of who we are as individuals, but because when we stand for election, the word Labor is next to our name.”

Olive Wave ¡

A new political organisation plans to unseat Labor MPs in a ‘teal-style’ campaign capitalising on Muslim community anger over the government’s Gaza stance.

Just so eh¿ Surprise¡

We have an extremist government that is subject to orders to stop genocide — and the thing that the prime minister and the leader of the opposition seem to get most agitated about is graffiti today.

SCIENCE said:

LOL

RCR

The federal government has raised the student visa application fee to $1,600 from $710. The fee increase is far more expensive than in competing countries.

ABC News:

This has been going on for a while. You want something in Qld that you’re currently not aloowed to have? No problem, just contact your local LNP, and they’ll guarantee it for you, if they win the next election.

Anything, you name it, blank cheque, just ask and it’ll be yours, just GET US BACK IN POWER, IT’S COLD OVER HERE ON THE OPPOSITION BENCHES, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE JOINED THE PARTY FOR!

Good news Pentecostal Pentaministry Prime Ministers could expand their official powers too¡

Anthony Albanese has been criticised after it was confirmed he would skip the upcoming NATO summit.

roughbarked said:

Anthony Albanese has been criticised after it was confirmed he would skip the upcoming NATO summit.

meanwhile:
10m ago

By Courtney Gould

A truckload of cow manure was dumped on the doorstep of Labor backbencher Peter Khalil’s office this morning.

Around 30 activists from the climate group Rising Tide were responsible for the action outside the electorate office in Coburg in Melbourne’s north.

In a statement, Khalil, who is currently in Canberra for parliament, said the whole thing was “pretty crappy”.

34m ago

By Courtney Gould

MPs in the lower house are currently debating legislation to support continued access to television services in regional Australia.

Meanwhile, the upper house is considering legislation that will give members of the manufacturing division of the CFMEU an opportunity to split from the union.

Peter Dutton is speaking now
Courtney Gould profile image
6m ago

By Courtney Gould

Surprise, the opposition leader Peter Dutton is holding a joint press conference.

He says the Coalition has been worried for “some time” about the increase in food prices and have held concerns about the market share of Coles and Woolies.

Dutton announces the Coalition has reached an agreement on a divestiture policy to break up the supermarket giants.

“It is a very clear message. The Coalition stands with consumers and with farmers for a fairer deal, for fairer prices. We want cheaper prices at the checkout,” he says.

roughbarked said:

Anthony Albanese has been criticised after it was confirmed he would skip the upcoming NATO summit.

Ah well at least that means Russia will leave us alone then¡

Kcuiq¡ A nice fat tariff on CHINA aggressively dumping electric vehicles on us will fix this¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-02/nves-loophole-car-makers-rush-polluting-cars-into-country/104046976

“Opposition Leader Peter Dutton might have been hoping for an endorsement from economists for his plan to take Australian nuclear. He shouldn’t expect one from The Economist.”

An article well worth reading.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-03/energy-power-solar-leave-nuclear-in-the-shade/104049276

Witty Rejoinder said:

:)

A teal independent writes to Anthony Albanese to call for a snap election over the Coalition’s nuclear power plan. Follow live.

None of this or that..

And that is right out!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/fatima-payman-quits-labor-after-palestinian-vote-furore/104056278

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/fatima-payman-quits-labor-after-palestinian-vote-furore/104056278

It’s strange how sometimes thinking and acting like a decent human being gets you into trouble.

Oh better not mention mass murder as it might upset Israel (not the Jews as not all Jews are Israeli)

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/fatima-payman-quits-labor-after-palestinian-vote-furore/104056278

So what do we all think of the absolute rule of the Labor caucus?

There was an old Labor guy on the radio yesterday that it was only right and proper, because everyone had the right to express their opinion before the caucus vote.

Not sure I’m entirely convinced.

A magistrate today ruled there was sufficient evidence to have the matter determined by a jury or a judge alone.
Mr Lehrmann faces two counts of rape, alleged to have occurred in Toowoomba, west of Brisbane, in October 2021.
What’s next?The 29-year-old, who was not required to appear in person today, will face trial in the District Court.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/fatima-payman-quits-labor-after-palestinian-vote-furore/104056278

So what do we all think of the absolute rule of the Labor caucus?

There was an old Labor guy on the radio yesterday that it was only right and proper, because everyone had the right to express their opinion before the caucus vote.

Not sure I’m entirely convinced.

they have rules. don’t like them either don’t join or leave.

OCDC said:

A magistrate today ruled there was sufficient evidence to have the matter determined by a jury or a judge alone.
Mr Lehrmann faces two counts of rape, alleged to have occurred in Toowoomba, west of Brisbane, in October 2021.
What’s next?The 29-year-old, who was not required to appear in person today, will face trial in the District Court.

Rapist walking around freely ?

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/fatima-payman-quits-labor-after-palestinian-vote-furore/104056278

So what do we all think of the absolute rule of the Labor caucus?

There was an old Labor guy on the radio yesterday that it was only right and proper, because everyone had the right to express their opinion before the caucus vote.

Not sure I’m entirely convinced.

they have rules. don’t like them either don’t join or leave.

The bells of democracy.

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/fatima-payman-quits-labor-after-palestinian-vote-furore/104056278

So what do we all think of the absolute rule of the Labor caucus?

There was an old Labor guy on the radio yesterday that it was only right and proper, because everyone had the right to express their opinion before the caucus vote.

Not sure I’m entirely convinced.

they have rules. don’t like them either don’t join or leave.

Fatima Payman felt she had to take the second option since that was the only one left for her.

Tau.Neutrino said:

OCDC said:

A magistrate today ruled there was sufficient evidence to have the matter determined by a jury or a judge alone.
Mr Lehrmann faces two counts of rape, alleged to have occurred in Toowoomba, west of Brisbane, in October 2021.
What’s next?The 29-year-old, who was not required to appear in person today, will face trial in the District Court.

Rapist walking around freely ?

He’s been doing that for far too long.

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/fatima-payman-quits-labor-after-palestinian-vote-furore/104056278

So what do we all think of the absolute rule of the Labor caucus?

There was an old Labor guy on the radio yesterday that it was only right and proper, because everyone had the right to express their opinion before the caucus vote.

Not sure I’m entirely convinced.

they have rules. don’t like them either don’t join or leave.

So the constitution is infallible.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

OCDC said:

A magistrate today ruled there was sufficient evidence to have the matter determined by a jury or a judge alone.
Mr Lehrmann faces two counts of rape, alleged to have occurred in Toowoomba, west of Brisbane, in October 2021.
What’s next?The 29-year-old, who was not required to appear in person today, will face trial in the District Court.

Rapist walking around freely ?

He’s been doing that for far too long.

Seems that way.

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So what do we all think of the absolute rule of the Labor caucus?

There was an old Labor guy on the radio yesterday that it was only right and proper, because everyone had the right to express their opinion before the caucus vote.

Not sure I’m entirely convinced.

they have rules. don’t like them either don’t join or leave.

So the constitution is infallible.

of course. until it is changed.

OCDC said:

A magistrate today ruled there was sufficient evidence to have the matter determined by a jury or a judge alone.
Mr Lehrmann faces two counts of rape, alleged to have occurred in Toowoomba, west of Brisbane, in October 2021.
What’s next?The 29-year-old, who was not required to appear in person today, will face trial in the District Court.

Justin doesn’t show me this. Nor does it show me any articles between 7 and 18 hours ago.

I don’t know how to fix it.

Michael V said:

OCDC said:

A magistrate today ruled there was sufficient evidence to have the matter determined by a jury or a judge alone.
Mr Lehrmann faces two counts of rape, alleged to have occurred in Toowoomba, west of Brisbane, in October 2021.
What’s next?The 29-year-old, who was not required to appear in person today, will face trial in the District Court.

Justin doesn’t show me this. Nor does it show me any articles between 7 and 18 hours ago.

I don’t know how to fix it.

I use the app. Dunno if it’s any better but on the phone it’s more user-friendly.

OCDC said:

Michael V said:

OCDC said:

A magistrate today ruled there was sufficient evidence to have the matter determined by a jury or a judge alone.
Mr Lehrmann faces two counts of rape, alleged to have occurred in Toowoomba, west of Brisbane, in October 2021.
What’s next?The 29-year-old, who was not required to appear in person today, will face trial in the District Court.

Justin doesn’t show me this. Nor does it show me any articles between 7 and 18 hours ago.

I don’t know how to fix it.

I use the app. Dunno if it’s any better but on the phone it’s more user-friendly.

Ah.

OCDC said:

Michael V said:

OCDC said:

A magistrate today ruled there was sufficient evidence to have the matter determined by a jury or a judge alone.
Mr Lehrmann faces two counts of rape, alleged to have occurred in Toowoomba, west of Brisbane, in October 2021.
What’s next?The 29-year-old, who was not required to appear in person today, will face trial in the District Court.

Justin doesn’t show me this. Nor does it show me any articles between 7 and 18 hours ago.

I don’t know how to fix it.

I use the app. Dunno if it’s any better but on the phone it’s more user-friendly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/queensland-bruce-lehrmann-hearing-toowoomba-rape-charges/104052840

MV…JustIn is still doing that odd thing here too. I have been clicking on JustIn, scrolling to the bottom and clicking on load more stories, letting that load (which is the one that misses stuff) and then just clicking on the refresh circle at the top of my screen. That seems to set it right. I don’t know Why This Is So.

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

Michael V said:

Justin doesn’t show me this. Nor does it show me any articles between 7 and 18 hours ago.

I don’t know how to fix it.

I use the app. Dunno if it’s any better but on the phone it’s more user-friendly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/queensland-bruce-lehrmann-hearing-toowoomba-rape-charges/104052840

Thanks.

I asked Google to find the article and it did.

The annoying thing is that Justin doesn’t show me great swathes of stuff. So if Justin doesn’t show me, I don’t know the article exists.

buffy said:

MV…JustIn is still doing that odd thing here too. I have been clicking on JustIn, scrolling to the bottom and clicking on load more stories, letting that load (which is the one that misses stuff) and then just clicking on the refresh circle at the top of my screen. That seems to set it right. I don’t know Why This Is So.

it has been doing it to me too.

buffy said:

MV…JustIn is still doing that odd thing here too. I have been clicking on JustIn, scrolling to the bottom and clicking on load more stories, letting that load (which is the one that misses stuff) and then just clicking on the refresh circle at the top of my screen. That seems to set it right. I don’t know Why This Is So.

I’ve tried that – to no avail. This last time, I re-launched Chrome and got rid of the Cache.

However, Justin often loads more stuff without me telling it to.

dv said:

A piece by Michelle Grattan.
Senator Fatima Payman, who announced on Thursday she was quitting her party, has now officially joined that well-known club of “Labor rats” – those who have been thrown overboard or jumped ship.

Notable past members include then prime minister Billy Hughes, expelled during the first world war conscription crisis, and Joe Lyons, a minister during the great depression, when Labor fractured.
More at link

I reckon
Mr Tilmouth is correct.

dv said:

Nods.

dv said:

Nice to see the good martin.

Faith-based political parties would ‘undermine social cohesion’, PM says

“Ogimi is located at the north of Okinawa Island, facing the South China sea on the isle’s western coast, with a population of just a few thousand people. And they’ve somehow discovered the secret of living a long and healthy life – the average man on the island lives for 80 years, while life expectancy for the average woman is 86. Not only that but there are four times as many people over the age of 100 as there are anywhere else in the world “

Err the average male in Australia lives to 83.

Peak Warming Man said:

“Ogimi is located at the north of Okinawa Island, facing the South China sea on the isle’s western coast, with a population of just a few thousand people. And they’ve somehow discovered the secret of living a long and healthy life – the average man on the island lives for 80 years, while life expectancy for the average woman is 86. Not only that but there are four times as many people over the age of 100 as there are anywhere else in the world “

Err the average male in Australia lives to 83.

Woops

roughbarked said:

Faith-based political parties would ‘undermine social cohesion’, PM says

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Faith-based political parties would ‘undermine social cohesion’, PM says

Nods.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Faith-based political parties would ‘undermine social cohesion’, PM says

Nods.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Nods.

I know we have gone over this territory before but it does keep rearing its ugly head.

“A Liberal senator and Salmon Tasmania are calling for the federal government to cut funding to an environmental advocacy legal centre that lobbies for better regulation of salmon farming activities in Macquarie Harbour, the home of an endangered species of skate.

They have accused the Environmental Defenders Office of using taxpayer dollars to engage in ‘green lawfare’, which they say is threatening the livelihood of workers in the state’s salmon industry.

The Environmental Defenders Office says it relies on regular donations and Commonwealth funding to sustain its service.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-07/liberal-duniam-tas-salmon-farming-lobby-call-for-edo-defunding/104067244

Michael V said:

“A Liberal senator and Salmon Tasmania are calling for the federal government to cut funding to an environmental advocacy legal centre that lobbies for better regulation of salmon farming activities in Macquarie Harbour, the home of an endangered species of skate.

They have accused the Environmental Defenders Office of using taxpayer dollars to engage in ‘green lawfare’, which they say is threatening the livelihood of workers in the state’s salmon industry.

The Environmental Defenders Office says it relies on regular donations and Commonwealth funding to sustain its service.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-07/liberal-duniam-tas-salmon-farming-lobby-call-for-edo-defunding/104067244

Did i not say that some LNP people have been reading the Project 2025 manifesto, and will try to import as much of it as they can here?

This is straight out of that agenda.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

“A Liberal senator and Salmon Tasmania are calling for the federal government to cut funding to an environmental advocacy legal centre that lobbies for better regulation of salmon farming activities in Macquarie Harbour, the home of an endangered species of skate.

They have accused the Environmental Defenders Office of using taxpayer dollars to engage in ‘green lawfare’, which they say is threatening the livelihood of workers in the state’s salmon industry.

The Environmental Defenders Office says it relies on regular donations and Commonwealth funding to sustain its service.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-07/liberal-duniam-tas-salmon-farming-lobby-call-for-edo-defunding/104067244

Did i not say that some LNP people have been reading the Project 2025 manifesto, and will try to import as much of it as they can here?

This is straight out of that agenda.

Nods.

Michael V said:

“A Liberal senator and Salmon Tasmania are calling for the federal government to cut funding to an environmental advocacy legal centre that lobbies for better regulation of salmon farming activities in Macquarie Harbour, the home of an endangered species of skate.

They have accused the Environmental Defenders Office of using taxpayer dollars to engage in ‘green lawfare’, which they say is threatening the livelihood of workers in the state’s salmon industry.

The Environmental Defenders Office says it relies on regular donations and Commonwealth funding to sustain its service.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-07/liberal-duniam-tas-salmon-farming-lobby-call-for-edo-defunding/104067244

If you set up an Environmental Defenders Office with its own legal services centre, of course it is going to start litigation in the courts. What else do you expect them to do with the money?

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

“A Liberal senator and Salmon Tasmania are calling for the federal government to cut funding to an environmental advocacy legal centre that lobbies for better regulation of salmon farming activities in Macquarie Harbour, the home of an endangered species of skate.

They have accused the Environmental Defenders Office of using taxpayer dollars to engage in ‘green lawfare’, which they say is threatening the livelihood of workers in the state’s salmon industry.

The Environmental Defenders Office says it relies on regular donations and Commonwealth funding to sustain its service.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-07/liberal-duniam-tas-salmon-farming-lobby-call-for-edo-defunding/104067244

If you set up an Environmental Defenders Office with its own legal services centre, of course it is going to start litigation in the courts. What else do you expect them to do with the money?

D’n‘o’, what do a Great Barrier Reef Foundation do with surprise $444444444 funding from Corruption ¿

It’s Probably Not A STEMocracy

SCIENCE said:

It’s Probably Not A STEMocracy

I had no idea who was the Green’s deputy leader, until just now.

And on further investigation, I discover:
“Mehreen Saeed Faruqi (born 8 July 1963) is a Pakistani-born Australian politician and former engineer who has been a Senator for New South Wales since 15 August 2018, representing the Greens. “

A former structural engineer, what’s more.

A greeny and a structural engineer.

You don’t get much better than that.

fuck

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-08/vandals-graffiti-rock-mount-ngungun-glasshouse-mountains-track/104070906

SCIENCE said:

fuck

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-08/vandals-graffiti-rock-mount-ngungun-glasshouse-mountains-track/104070906

Well at least it wasn’t Tom Wallace Cycles.

We know this is old news but

Jillian Segal will be Australia’s special envoy to combat anti-Semitism.

can we also have a

The government will also shortly appoint an envoy on Islamophobia.

special envoy for every other discriminated minority or majority or whatever plurality singularity designated group as well¿

SCIENCE said:

We know this is old news but

Jillian Segal will be Australia’s special envoy to combat anti-Semitism.

can we also have a

The government will also shortly appoint an envoy on Islamophobia.

special envoy for every other discriminated minority or majority or whatever plurality singularity designated group as well¿

Why do we need to get our politics bogged down in all this israel-gaza bullshit?

It is nothing to do with us.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

We know this is old news but

Jillian Segal will be Australia’s special envoy to combat anti-Semitism.

can we also have a

The government will also shortly appoint an envoy on Islamophobia.

special envoy for every other discriminated minority or majority or whatever plurality singularity designated group as well¿

Why do we need to get our politics bogged down in all this israel-gaza bullshit?

It is nothing to do with us.

Well there are Jews and Muslims and Palestinians and Israelis in Australia so it does need to be recognised but

we do agree the team sports are fucking insane and

it’sn’t really “anti-Semitism” or “Islamophobia” that are the problem it’s generalised bigotry and similar no matter what the target.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

We know this is old news but

Jillian Segal will be Australia’s special envoy to combat anti-Semitism.

can we also have a

The government will also shortly appoint an envoy on Islamophobia.

special envoy for every other discriminated minority or majority or whatever plurality singularity designated group as well¿

Why do we need to get our politics bogged down in all this israel-gaza bullshit?

It is nothing to do with us.

Well there are Jews and Muslims and Palestinians and Israelis in Australia so it does need to be recognised but

we do agree the team sports are fucking insane and

it’sn’t really “anti-Semitism” or “Islamophobia” that are the problem it’s generalised bigotry and similar no matter what the target.

They are only about 3-4% of the population combined. Hardly worth the effort. They shouldn’t matter.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

We know this is old news but

Jillian Segal will be Australia’s special envoy to combat anti-Semitism.

can we also have a

The government will also shortly appoint an envoy on Islamophobia.

special envoy for every other discriminated minority or majority or whatever plurality singularity designated group as well¿

Why do we need to get our politics bogged down in all this israel-gaza bullshit?

It is nothing to do with us.

Well there are Jews and Muslims and Palestinians and Israelis in Australia so it does need to be recognised but

we do agree the team sports are fucking insane and

it’sn’t really “anti-Semitism” or “Islamophobia” that are the problem it’s generalised bigotry and similar no matter what the target.

I reckon Labor should bring in all those oppressed prisoners of El Salvador. There’s heaps of them that we could take in and help them recover their lives and make a fresh start. It would really help.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Why do we need to get our politics bogged down in all this israel-gaza bullshit?

It is nothing to do with us.

Well there are Jews and Muslims and Palestinians and Israelis in Australia so it does need to be recognised but

we do agree the team sports are fucking insane and

it’sn’t really “anti-Semitism” or “Islamophobia” that are the problem it’s generalised bigotry and similar no matter what the target.

They are only about 3-4% of the population combined. Hardly worth the effort. They shouldn’t matter.

Won’t necessarily agree with that but certainly importing the conflict is not something we appreciate.

NSW Communists Propose Their Own Nuclear Potato

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-09/nsw-sydney-rezoning-proposals-housing/104074358

CHINA props up Australian Dollar yet again

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-10/australian-dollar-influence-on-inflation-and-overseas-travel/104075044

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/many-lands-many-seasons

Another Australian Tony Shirt Fronts The Russians

The prime minister has rejected Russian criticism of the arrests of two of its former citizens on espionage charges, telling the Kremlin to “back off”. Speaking in Brisbane on Saturday, Anthony Albanese said Russia had “no credibility” after engaging in “espionage around the world”. “Russia can get the message: Back off,” he said.

SCIENCE said:

Another Australian Tony Shirt Fronts The Russians

The prime minister has rejected Russian criticism of the arrests of two of its former citizens on espionage charges, telling the Kremlin to “back off”. Speaking in Brisbane on Saturday, Anthony Albanese said Russia had “no credibility” after engaging in “espionage around the world”. “Russia can get the message: Back off,” he said.

I agree

Shut down ASIO and ASIS immediately

wookiemeister said:

SCIENCE said:

Another Australian Tony Shirt Fronts The Russians

The prime minister has rejected Russian criticism of the arrests of two of its former citizens on espionage charges, telling the Kremlin to “back off”. Speaking in Brisbane on Saturday, Anthony Albanese said Russia had “no credibility” after engaging in “espionage around the world”. “Russia can get the message: Back off,” he said.

I agree

Shut down ASIO and ASIS immediately

I guess you don’t like them catching Russian spies.

Michael V said:

wookiemeister said:

SCIENCE said:

Another Australian Tony Shirt Fronts The Russians

The prime minister has rejected Russian criticism of the arrests of two of its former citizens on espionage charges, telling the Kremlin to “back off”. Speaking in Brisbane on Saturday, Anthony Albanese said Russia had “no credibility” after engaging in “espionage around the world”. “Russia can get the message: Back off,” he said.

I agree

Shut down ASIO and ASIS immediately

I guess you don’t like them catching Russian spies.

Wookie doesn’t really like Australia and probably should fuck off back to whatever country he was born in.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

wookiemeister said:

I agree

Shut down ASIO and ASIS immediately

I guess you don’t like them catching Russian spies.

Wookie doesn’t really like Australia and probably should fuck off back to whatever country he was born in.

Well, unless ASIS has changed a lot from what it used to be, it probably could be shut down without anty great disadvantage.

At one time, it was a commonly held view that, if you wanted to be sure that ‘the other side’ would ‘discover’ whatever operation you were running, so as to mislead them, you need only involve ASIS in it. Fuck-up guaranteed.

From 1

Coalition leaders have continued their calls for Labor to cease accepting donations from the CFMEU after an investigation alleged criminal activity by parts of the union.

corruption, 2 another.

True history of the Black Hand, the Liberals who have kept Menzies’ flame alive

George Brandis

Former high commissioner to the UK and federal attorney-general
July 14, 2024 — 7.30pm

Last month, the Liberal Party gathered in Sydney to celebrate its 80th birthday – the anniversary of its founding in 1944 by Sir Robert Menzies. The occasion was the annual meeting of its peak national body, Federal Council.

Liberal Federal Councils are different from Labor National Conferences. Labor’s conference is an important decision-making body. Its power to bind parliamentarians does not exist in the Liberal Party, for which the autonomy of the parliamentary wing has always been an article of faith. Liberal conferences are thus tamer affairs, with little political drama.

Another important difference between the parties is their attitude to factions. The Liberal Party does not really have factions. Certainly, there are distinct strands of opinion, and identifiable networks of like-minded members – but these are nothing like Labor’s disciplined, quasi-official structures (memorably described as being like mafia families by Andrew Leigh, the Assistant Minister for Competition, Charities and Treasury). This is a cultural difference as much as a structural one.

Apart from Peter Dutton’s speech on nuclear energy, the only notice the Federal Council attracted was a social event on the sidelines: the storied Black Hand Dinner. The Black Hand is the jokey sobriquet of a loose network within the party called Liberal Forum. As we celebrated the Liberal Party’s 80th birthday, Liberal Forum marked its 40th.

In the winter of 1984, Tom Harley, scion of a distinguished Melbourne family which traces its impeccable political lineage to Alfred Deakin, convened a meeting in South Yarra, in the very street where Deakin once lived. Its purpose was to defend the Liberal Party’s traditional liberal values, then under attack from a resurgent right-wing amid the choppy internal politics following its 1983 election defeat.

I was the youngest person invited, which included some of the party’s then high-profile moderates such as Peter Baume, Ian Macphee and (wettest of the lot) Alan Missen, together with faces of the future such as Robert Hill and Chris Puplick. The leader, Andrew Peacock, joined us for drinks.

No sooner was Liberal Forum established than it had an identity crisis. What was its role to be? Some, like Baume, essentially saw it as a debating society, publishing worthy papers about Liberal Party policy and liberalism. Others, like me, wanted a network which got active in the party’s branches to support the preselection of candidates who were committed to classical liberalism: Menzies Liberals.

Liberal Forum’s only tangible achievement in its early days was publishing a collection of significant speeches defining the Australian liberal tradition, Australian Liberalism: The Continuing Vision. (If you ever spot this slender volume on someone’s bookshelf, you will know you are in the presence of a truly hard-core political nerd.)

In the decades that followed, Liberal Forum took root in just two states: South Australia and NSW. This was due to the work (and ambition) of two people not present at the initial meeting, Christopher Pyne and Michael Photios. Through strenuous effort over long years, each built a political network which became dominant and, in NSW, still is.

It is many years since the Liberal Party abandoned Deakinite economic policies and embraced the free market. The intellectual argument was led by John Howard. Ironically, the most important speech in which he made his case was the Deakin Lecture of 1986. Howard was on the right side of history. Those of us who in the 1980s opposed him were completely wrong. There are few members of Liberal Forum today who are not economic dries.

Nor is there any difference between moderates and conservatives on defence or national security. Many leading moderates are cultural conservatives. While most are republicans, some, such as Photios, Steven Marshall and Don Harwin, are constitutional monarchists.

While conservatives won the economic argument, moderates generally prevailed on social policy. One unifying issue was same-sex marriage. The gay community is dominated by the left, but it was the Liberal members of that community – well represented in the party’s Sydney branches – who delivered marriage equality. The Liberal Party’s commitment to multiculturalism has also been fiercely defended.

So the Black Hand turned out to be much more important, in the long run, than any of us ever imagined that wintry Melbourne day 40 years ago. Not a faction, but a loose network of like-minded friends, ultimately inspired by Menzies’ liberal vision of a society that cherishes and defends the freedom of every individual. Of course, Menzies would never in a month of Sundays have supported multiculturalism, any more than he would have favoured slashing tariffs or floating the dollar. Gay marriage would have been inconceivable to him.

It is anachronistic to judge today’s policies by yesterday’s standards. The way a political philosophy translates into policy evolves with every generation. Liberal Forum has kept the liberal flame alive by championing policies that have made Australia the ever-freer country Menzies envisioned.

And the name? It originated from banter between Tom and me. I was worried that creating such a network was foreign to the Liberal Party’s non-factional culture. We had settled on “Liberal Forum”, but even an innocuous name might sound sinister. “Like ‘the Black Hand’!” Tom rejoined laughingly. It was a private joke between us until it escaped into the party’s bloodstream like a virus from a Chinese laboratory.

Last month, Senate Leader Simon Birmingham hosted the now eminently respectable Black Hand at its well-attended dinner. Deputy Leader Sussan Ley, numerous shadow ministers and backbenchers, current and former state leaders, and the party’s state president were there. So was the spirit of Menzies.

George Brandis is a former high commissioner to the UK, and a former Liberal senator and federal attorney-general. He is now a professor at ANU.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/true-history-of-the-black-hand-the-liberals-who-ve-kept-menzies-flame-alive-20240627-p5jp8k.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

True history of the Black Hand, the Liberals who have kept Menzies’ flame alive

George Brandis

Former high commissioner to the UK and federal attorney-general
July 14, 2024 — 7.30pm

Last month, the Liberal Party gathered in Sydney to celebrate its 80th birthday – the anniversary of its founding in 1944 by Sir Robert Menzies. The occasion was the annual meeting of its peak national body, Federal Council.

Liberal Federal Councils are different from Labor National Conferences. Labor’s conference is an important decision-making body. Its power to bind parliamentarians does not exist in the Liberal Party, for which the autonomy of the parliamentary wing has always been an article of faith. Liberal conferences are thus tamer affairs, with little political drama.

Another important difference between the parties is their attitude to factions. The Liberal Party does not really have factions. Certainly, there are distinct strands of opinion, and identifiable networks of like-minded members – but these are nothing like Labor’s disciplined, quasi-official structures (memorably described as being like mafia families by Andrew Leigh, the Assistant Minister for Competition, Charities and Treasury). This is a cultural difference as much as a structural one.

Apart from Peter Dutton’s speech on nuclear energy, the only notice the Federal Council attracted was a social event on the sidelines: the storied Black Hand Dinner. The Black Hand is the jokey sobriquet of a loose network within the party called Liberal Forum. As we celebrated the Liberal Party’s 80th birthday, Liberal Forum marked its 40th.

In the winter of 1984, Tom Harley, scion of a distinguished Melbourne family which traces its impeccable political lineage to Alfred Deakin, convened a meeting in South Yarra, in the very street where Deakin once lived. Its purpose was to defend the Liberal Party’s traditional liberal values, then under attack from a resurgent right-wing amid the choppy internal politics following its 1983 election defeat.

I was the youngest person invited, which included some of the party’s then high-profile moderates such as Peter Baume, Ian Macphee and (wettest of the lot) Alan Missen, together with faces of the future such as Robert Hill and Chris Puplick. The leader, Andrew Peacock, joined us for drinks.

No sooner was Liberal Forum established than it had an identity crisis. What was its role to be? Some, like Baume, essentially saw it as a debating society, publishing worthy papers about Liberal Party policy and liberalism. Others, like me, wanted a network which got active in the party’s branches to support the preselection of candidates who were committed to classical liberalism: Menzies Liberals.

Liberal Forum’s only tangible achievement in its early days was publishing a collection of significant speeches defining the Australian liberal tradition, Australian Liberalism: The Continuing Vision. (If you ever spot this slender volume on someone’s bookshelf, you will know you are in the presence of a truly hard-core political nerd.)

In the decades that followed, Liberal Forum took root in just two states: South Australia and NSW. This was due to the work (and ambition) of two people not present at the initial meeting, Christopher Pyne and Michael Photios. Through strenuous effort over long years, each built a political network which became dominant and, in NSW, still is.

It is many years since the Liberal Party abandoned Deakinite economic policies and embraced the free market. The intellectual argument was led by John Howard. Ironically, the most important speech in which he made his case was the Deakin Lecture of 1986. Howard was on the right side of history. Those of us who in the 1980s opposed him were completely wrong. There are few members of Liberal Forum today who are not economic dries.

Nor is there any difference between moderates and conservatives on defence or national security. Many leading moderates are cultural conservatives. While most are republicans, some, such as Photios, Steven Marshall and Don Harwin, are constitutional monarchists.

While conservatives won the economic argument, moderates generally prevailed on social policy. One unifying issue was same-sex marriage. The gay community is dominated by the left, but it was the Liberal members of that community – well represented in the party’s Sydney branches – who delivered marriage equality. The Liberal Party’s commitment to multiculturalism has also been fiercely defended.

So the Black Hand turned out to be much more important, in the long run, than any of us ever imagined that wintry Melbourne day 40 years ago. Not a faction, but a loose network of like-minded friends, ultimately inspired by Menzies’ liberal vision of a society that cherishes and defends the freedom of every individual. Of course, Menzies would never in a month of Sundays have supported multiculturalism, any more than he would have favoured slashing tariffs or floating the dollar. Gay marriage would have been inconceivable to him.

It is anachronistic to judge today’s policies by yesterday’s standards. The way a political philosophy translates into policy evolves with every generation. Liberal Forum has kept the liberal flame alive by championing policies that have made Australia the ever-freer country Menzies envisioned.

And the name? It originated from banter between Tom and me. I was worried that creating such a network was foreign to the Liberal Party’s non-factional culture. We had settled on “Liberal Forum”, but even an innocuous name might sound sinister. “Like ‘the Black Hand’!” Tom rejoined laughingly. It was a private joke between us until it escaped into the party’s bloodstream like a virus from a Chinese laboratory.

Last month, Senate Leader Simon Birmingham hosted the now eminently respectable Black Hand at its well-attended dinner. Deputy Leader Sussan Ley, numerous shadow ministers and backbenchers, current and former state leaders, and the party’s state president were there. So was the spirit of Menzies.

George Brandis is a former high commissioner to the UK, and a former Liberal senator and federal attorney-general. He is now a professor at ANU.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/true-history-of-the-black-hand-the-liberals-who-ve-kept-menzies-flame-alive-20240627-p5jp8k.html

Well, that’s not the meaning of the black hand that I know.

Voters are showing Labor no gratitude – and a howl of pain instead

By David Crowe
Updated July 16, 2024 — 2.54pm

Australians are in no mood to give Labor a vote of thanks when they are under severe pressure from rising prices and lower real wages, so they are letting out a howl of pain instead.

The economic grief has dragged Prime Minister Anthony Albanese down to his worst personal polling since the last election while rewarding Opposition Leader Peter Dutton for his constant focus on the cost of living.

If the past five months are repeated over the next five, Labor will end the year with a primary vote that makes an election victory impossible.

Time and again, the Labor primary vote has slipped in the Resolve Political Monitor to levels that seemed unthinkable to the government after the last election. Albanese took power with a primary vote of 32.6 per cent nationwide – dangerously low by historical standards, but his government has even less support today.

Labor passed a sobering milestone in March when its primary vote fell to 32 per cent. Now it is 28 per cent. The electorate is fracturing. Labor may hold power with preferences from the Greens, but nobody can be sure about the calculations for the next election. The old assumptions about success – Labor won power in 2007 with a primary vote of 43.4 per cent – are out of date.

Albanese argues, rightly, that many governments fall into a slump in the polls and recover by election day. Dutton, meanwhile, encourages talk of an early election. Everything hinges on the economy, and the latest Resolve Political Monitor shows how hard this has become for the government.

One startling fact is that most Australians have not even noticed the single biggest policy decision by the government this year – the move in January to reshape the stage 3 tax cuts worth more than $300 billion over a decade.

The cuts only took effect on July 1, so it is still too soon to tell whether households feel the benefit from changes worth $17.87 a week for someone earning $50,000 a year. But the latest Resolve Political Monitor shows 57 per cent of voters have not noticed the cuts.

And why should they? Real wages are 4.8 per cent lower than before the pandemic. Inflation is 3.6 per cent. The markets do not expect interest rates to fall until March next year. Consumer confidence is at recession levels.

While real wages have edged higher in recent months, Labor needs more time to win back voters. No wonder Albanese dismisses the idea of an early election. Many Australians do not want a race to the ballot box either: 55 per cent want the parliament to serve its full term until next year, while 27 per cent want to vote earlier and the rest are undecided.

Voters show little enthusiasm for their choices at the next election when they are given an open-ended question in the Resolve Political Monitor to say what they like about the two leaders.

One voter, for instance, was positive about Albanese: “He’s doing a good job in challenging times.” But another called him “all talk and no action” and a third was still fuming over the Indigenous Voice: “His decision to hold a divisive referendum convinced me never to vote Labor again.”

Given a chance to express their opinions about Dutton, some voters said they liked that he was “upfront” about wanting nuclear energy.

“He comes across as strong and assertive,” one said. But others said he went too far with his tough language. “He can come across as offensive, especially to immigrant communities,” another said.

On balance, most voters now prefer Dutton and the Coalition on core policies such as economic management, national security and immigration. This month, they also lead on jobs and wages, a historical Labor strength.

Other polls show a tighter political contest. The latest Newspoll in The Australian, on June 30, had Labor on a primary vote of 32 per cent and the Coalition on 36 per cent. The Freshwater survey in The Australian Financial Review on June 16 had Labor on 32 per cent and the Coalition on 40 per cent.

The Resolve Political Monitor uses a different approach than some other surveys. It does not exclude “uncommitted” voters – a group that can number about 7 per cent of respondents – from the final results. This is because it does not give respondents the option of being uncommitted. Those who answer the survey can choose “other” instead of the major parties or independents, but they cannot say they do not know how they would vote.

This means the Resolve approach could pick up voters who are leaning towards the Coalition right now, even if they are not sure about siding with Dutton.

The prospect of a Coalition government still looks challenging, even with a primary vote of 38 per cent in this survey. The Liberals lost blue-ribbon seats to the “teal” independents despite having a primary vote ranging from 38 per cent in North Sydney to almost 43 per cent in Kooyong. The message, again, is that the old certainties are out of date.

But that howl of economic pain is real. Incumbent governments are hearing it around the world. The louder it gets, the greater the danger for Labor.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voters-are-showing-labor-no-gratitude-and-a-howl-of-pain-instead-20240716-p5jtzg.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

Voters are showing Labor no gratitude – and a howl of pain instead

By David Crowe
Updated July 16, 2024 — 2.54pm

Australians are in no mood to give Labor a vote of thanks when they are under severe pressure from rising prices and lower real wages, so they are letting out a howl of pain instead.

…

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voters-are-showing-labor-no-gratitude-and-a-howl-of-pain-instead-20240716-p5jtzg.html

What can a government do to help? Can’t force businesses to lower their prices. Interest rates would be a dicey gamble. Tax breaks would be OK if implemented to target the right people. Raise benefits.

JudgeMental said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Voters are showing Labor no gratitude – and a howl of pain instead

By David Crowe
Updated July 16, 2024 — 2.54pm

Australians are in no mood to give Labor a vote of thanks when they are under severe pressure from rising prices and lower real wages, so they are letting out a howl of pain instead.

…

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voters-are-showing-labor-no-gratitude-and-a-howl-of-pain-instead-20240716-p5jtzg.html

What can a government do to help? Can’t force businesses to lower their prices. Interest rates would be a dicey gamble. Tax breaks would be OK if implemented to target the right people. Raise benefits.

I was reading something a month or two ago, can’t remember where, that was saying that if given the choice, people would prefer that prices go down, instead of their wages increasing. This notwhstanding all the actual economic shitstorm that would be needed to create that as an actual real world outcome.

I think the best the govt can really do (outside of sound economic policy to help combat inflation and to grow business) is to actively listen to people’s concerns and make them feel like they are in the trenches with them.

JudgeMental said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Voters are showing Labor no gratitude – and a howl of pain instead

By David Crowe
Updated July 16, 2024 — 2.54pm

Australians are in no mood to give Labor a vote of thanks when they are under severe pressure from rising prices and lower real wages, so they are letting out a howl of pain instead.

…

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voters-are-showing-labor-no-gratitude-and-a-howl-of-pain-instead-20240716-p5jtzg.html

What can a government do to help? Can’t force businesses to lower their prices. Interest rates would be a dicey gamble. Tax breaks would be OK if implemented to target the right people. Raise benefits.

Would people accept that explanation I wonder.

Government whilst powerful are often helpless when it comes to some events that occur

diddly-squat said:

JudgeMental said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Voters are showing Labor no gratitude – and a howl of pain instead

By David Crowe
Updated July 16, 2024 — 2.54pm

Australians are in no mood to give Labor a vote of thanks when they are under severe pressure from rising prices and lower real wages, so they are letting out a howl of pain instead.

…

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voters-are-showing-labor-no-gratitude-and-a-howl-of-pain-instead-20240716-p5jtzg.html

What can a government do to help? Can’t force businesses to lower their prices. Interest rates would be a dicey gamble. Tax breaks would be OK if implemented to target the right people. Raise benefits.

I was reading something a month or two ago, can’t remember where, that was saying that if given the choice, people would prefer that prices go down, instead of their wages increasing. This notwhstanding all the actual economic shitstorm that would be needed to create that as an actual real world outcome.

I think the best the govt can really do (outside of sound economic policy to help combat inflation and to grow business) is to actively listen to people’s concerns and make them feel like they are in the trenches with them.

which is hard when the general population see the pollies with a good wage and all the perks.

JudgeMental said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Voters are showing Labor no gratitude – and a howl of pain instead

By David Crowe
Updated July 16, 2024 — 2.54pm

Australians are in no mood to give Labor a vote of thanks when they are under severe pressure from rising prices and lower real wages, so they are letting out a howl of pain instead.

…

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voters-are-showing-labor-no-gratitude-and-a-howl-of-pain-instead-20240716-p5jtzg.html

What can a government do to help? Can’t force businesses to lower their prices. Interest rates would be a dicey gamble. Tax breaks would be OK if implemented to target the right people. Raise benefits.

The changes to Stage 3 are giving a more progressive tax cut that is not expected to be inflationary so that’s one good thing. Plus running a surplus is anti-inflationary too. With regards prices you’re right there is not much to do given the RBA independence.

And Labor inherited this inflation from the Covid measures of the previous government unlike the US where some argue that Biden’s overly generous government handouts worsened the inflation spike there which got exported around the world. There’s basically nothing Labor could have done differently given supply-side inflation besides price controls.

Obviously inflation is damaging but it’s also only those on the lowest incomes who suffer considering you can only reduce your expenditure on necessities so much. Qué horror someone on $100k has to ditch their weekly roast for spag bole.

It all comes down to the conservative nature of the Australian electorate who perceive Labor to be per economic managers despite all the evidence to the contrary. Morrison gave away $20B too much in JobKeeper with Labor not even bothering to investigate given the optics yet if Labor had done it there would be blood in the water.

JudgeMental said:

diddly-squat said:

JudgeMental said:

What can a government do to help? Can’t force businesses to lower their prices. Interest rates would be a dicey gamble. Tax breaks would be OK if implemented to target the right people. Raise benefits.

I was reading something a month or two ago, can’t remember where, that was saying that if given the choice, people would prefer that prices go down, instead of their wages increasing. This notwhstanding all the actual economic shitstorm that would be needed to create that as an actual real world outcome.

I think the best the govt can really do (outside of sound economic policy to help combat inflation and to grow business) is to actively listen to people’s concerns and make them feel like they are in the trenches with them.

which is hard when the general population see the pollies with a good wage and all the perks.

yes it’s difficult when people cherry pick the points of comparison (especially on an individual basis) – not suggesting that politicians aren’t playing the game on a pretty fucking amazing wicket, but I’d not want to be subject to the public scrutiny they are.

I think sometimes people just want to feel like they are being heard instead of being told about all the things that Party A or Party B are doing that should be making their lives amazing (or shit, depending on who’s telling the story) and how grateful they should be that the other crew are/aren’t in charge.

Witty Rejoinder said:

JudgeMental said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Voters are showing Labor no gratitude – and a howl of pain instead

By David Crowe
Updated July 16, 2024 — 2.54pm

Australians are in no mood to give Labor a vote of thanks when they are under severe pressure from rising prices and lower real wages, so they are letting out a howl of pain instead.

…

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voters-are-showing-labor-no-gratitude-and-a-howl-of-pain-instead-20240716-p5jtzg.html

What can a government do to help? Can’t force businesses to lower their prices. Interest rates would be a dicey gamble. Tax breaks would be OK if implemented to target the right people. Raise benefits.

The changes to Stage 3 are giving a more progressive tax cut that is not expected to be inflationary so that’s one good thing. Plus running a surplus is anti-inflationary too. With regards prices you’re right there is not much to do given the RBA independence.

And Labor inherited this inflation from the Covid measures of the previous government unlike the US where some argue that Biden’s overly generous government handouts worsened the inflation spike there which got exported around the world. There’s basically nothing Labor could have done differently given supply-side inflation besides price controls.

Obviously inflation is damaging but it’s also only those on the lowest incomes who suffer considering you can only reduce your expenditure on necessities so much. Qué horror someone on $100k has to ditch their weekly roast for spag bole.

It all comes down to the conservative nature of the Australian electorate who perceive Labor to be per economic managers despite all the evidence to the contrary. Morrison gave away $20B too much in JobKeeper with Labor not even bothering to investigate given the optics yet if Labor had done it there would be blood in the water.

per = poor

Witty Rejoinder said:

Voters are showing Labor no gratitude – and a howl of pain instead

If the past five months are repeated over the next five, Labor will end the year with a primary vote that makes an election victory impossible.

Not really though. They’ve been in a pretty stable position on thay interval. Going by the Mackeras pendulum, “if an election were held tomorrow” as they say, the Coaltiion could expect to pick up 6 seats, bringing them to 64.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the Greens pick off a Labor seat or two, as they are doing well, but the net result would be a minority Labor government.

And for all this article talking up Dutton, it seems there’s a very hard ceiling to his approval.

So voters support CHINA mass production and overcapacity resulting in adequate supply of goods and preventing inflationary harms, makes sense.

JudgeMental said:

What can a government do to help?

Transition to STEMocracy.

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

What can a government do to help?

Transition to STEMocracy.

Australia’s inflation rate per the most recent quarterly figures is 4% pa.

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

What can a government do to help?

Transition to STEMocracy.

Roger Transition.
Over.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

What can a government do to help?

Transition to STEMocracy.

Roger Transition.
Over.

only with consent.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

What can a government do to help?

Transition to STEMocracy.

Australia’s inflation rate per the most recent quarterly figures is 4% pa.

To be fair we got some nice avocados from the nonlocal for $3/kg which is the price we got nice avocados from the nonlocal for back 21 years ago so all this inflation stuff has left us scratching our capitas.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Transition to STEMocracy.

Australia’s inflation rate per the most recent quarterly figures is 4% pa.

To be fair we got some nice avocados from the nonlocal for $3/kg which is the price we got nice avocados from the nonlocal for back 21 years ago so all this inflation stuff has left us scratching our capitas.

Wasn’t there a glut of avocados resulting in cheaper prices recently, recently may not have been recently but previously recent.
I do remembering hearing about it.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Transition to STEMocracy.

Australia’s inflation rate per the most recent quarterly figures is 4% pa.

To be fair we got some nice avocados from the nonlocal for $3/kg which is the price we got nice avocados from the nonlocal for back 21 years ago so all this inflation stuff has left us scratching our capitas.

Yeah we are getting some good bargains too. To hear some people talk you’d think it was Germany 1922 but overall utilities and groceries have not risen as fast as wages in Australia.

The soaring cost of food does tend to be exaggerated because people enjoy grumbling.

In real life there’s still a massive overeating problem in this country, especially amongst the poor, with over 35% in the lowest income group being obese.

Biden’s Australia-UK Arms Deal Facing Pressure Over Delay Fears
Three years after it was announced, Aukus pact on submarines and technology cooperation faces questions.

By Courtney McBride and Ben Westcott
16 July 2024 at 08:00 GMT+10

When Joe Biden announced it in 2021, the surprise deal to share submarine and arms technology with the UK and Australia was meant to establish a generation-defining new alliance aimed at hemming in China.

But three years later, critics argue the Aukus partnership has made little progress. It faces questions in all three countries over when it will be able to deliver. Even supporters acknowledge that Aukus, which is meant to link the allies for decades to come, needs to show some tangible results before the end of this year – with elections coming up in two of the three partners – if it is to succeed.

Key to the deal is a plan to sell US nuclear-powered attack submarines – the crown jewels of American defense technologies, invulnerable even to China’s latest missiles – to replace Australia’s aging boats and project power under the Pacific. But US shipyards, racing to catch up with a fivefold increase in production as Washington modernizes its own fleet after decades of post-Cold-War neglect, are already running years behind schedule even without the additional demand. Under the Aukus agreement, Canberra is supposed to get its first US-made subs sometime after 2032.

“If you fast forward 10 years, I will be shocked if the Australians have a sub,” said Todd Harrison, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. “It just seems very optimistic to think that all these investments will turn out by then.”

Officials in all three capitals aren’t that pessimistic, but they concede the effort has faced early obstacles.

In addition to the subs, the Aukus agreement calls for the three allies to share some of their most sensitive military technologies, from artificial intelligence to hypersonic missiles. But secrecy concerns and bureaucratic obstacles have hobbled those efforts so far. The US earlier this year failed to certify that Australia and the UK have adequate procedures to protect classified information.

Negotiated in secret, the Aukus deal was so important to the three allies that they were willing to offend a fourth – France – which saw its contract to supply submarines to Australia canceled. Canberra has been trying for years to replace its aging fleet of diesel-electric subs.

But the mission goes much further. Backed by an unprecedented naval buildup that’s given it a fleet eclipsing the US one, China is expanding its reach across the Pacific, pressuring US allies. Flagship US aircraft carriers are now potentially vulnerable to China’s latest missiles, as are giant American bases in Japan and Guam.

“We are not overmatched, but I do not like the pace of the trajectory” of the Chinese buildup, Admiral Sam Paparo Jr., the top US commander in the region, said at a Senate hearing in February.

Nuclear-powered submarines, nearly undetectable and capable of staying underwater for months at a time, are a key US advantage, developed over the decades of the Cold War, allowing America to put forces where China can’t always stop them. But Beijing, with help from Russia, is building its own atomic fleet and its latest boats will be “world class,” according to US Navy War College researchers.

Political opposition in Australia has raised questions about whether it can sustain the huge efforts that will be needed to turn a country without a nuclear industry into one of the only half-dozen in the world capable of running an atomic navy.

“There are obviously challenges,” said former Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who presided over the pact’s launch with Biden and served as leader from 2018 to 2022. “But it’s just one of those things where we have no choice but to be successful with the strategic environment we’re facing.”

Further clouding the outlook is the possibility that Donald Trump, who’s been skeptical of US alliances globally, wins the White House in the fall. Morrison, who met Trump in May and asked about the fate of the pact, said he’s confident it would survive a change of administration in Washington.

But Elbridge Colby, who held a top Pentagon job in the last Trump administration and is advising on plans for a possible new one, said “the jury’s still out” on the submarine part of the deal. “Aukus needs to be measured by delivery for the military balance in Asia in a timeframe relevant,” he said, underlining concerns about delays.

Asked when the ambitious effort needs to show results, Representative Joe Courtney, whose Connecticut district is home to the shipyard that makes the subs, is blunt: “Like now.”

It took 18 months from the announcement of the pact for the countries to agree on what they call the “optimal pathway” detailing how it will be brought to life. Under the deal, the US begin patrols from an Australian base with American nuclear-powered attack subs in 2027. Canberra is supposed to get the first of the US-produced boats, known as Virginia class, after 2032. They will be replaced by a new super-advanced model jointly developed by the UK and Australia with US help sometime after 2040.

In the UK, which got US nuclear-sub technology back in the 1950s, officials are mainly concerned about Australia’s ability to develop the huge industry needed to support the vessels in time, according to a person familiar with the situation.

In the US, there are doubts closer to home. Scrambling to make up for decades of production cuts after the end of the Cold War, the two shipyards that make nuclear subs are aiming to produce them at a rate not seen since World War II. Even if they reach planned targets, the US may find itself short of attack submarines once it starts supplying them to Australia, according to a government report.

To help speed things up, the US and Australia are spending $6 billion to expand America’s sub-making industry.

Washington surprised Canberra this spring by putting only one new Virginia-class sub in its annual budget request instead of the usual two, hoping to keep the overall cost down. The news set off a firestorm in Australia, where newspapers called it a “potential blow” to Aukus.

“This is really a case of us being mugged by reality,” Malcolm Turnbull, who served as prime minister from 2015 to 2018, wrote in a March op-ed. “So much for Australian sovereignty.”

With a price tag of A$360 billion ($239 billion), Aukus dwarfs the country’s past defense spending and has sparked a complete rethink of Australia’s military posture.

In the US, too, the cut in the budget for the submarines has raised concerns. The Navy’s effort to compensate for it with other spending commitments “has come up woefully short,” said Courtney, the US congressman, especially since Australia may wind up needing more of the Virginia-class boats than currently planned.

In addition to the submarines, which are referred to as Pillar I in Aukus-speak, the pact calls for cooperating on advanced technologies, known as Pillar II.

On the first part, “we know what we’re buying, we know where it needs to be built, we know how many of them there needs to be,” said Morrison, the Australian former prime minister. “Pillar II doesn’t have those knowns and they need to become known.”

“That, having some form and substance is really I think the challenge over the next twelve months,” he added.

Seeking to reassure doubters, Australia’s government has been giving regular progress reports on Aukus since the start of 2024.

Still, then-UK Foreign Secretary David Cameron, on a visit to Washington in April, voiced concern about the persistent bureaucratic obstacles to cooperation. “If we’re going to have a partnership as close as this between three like-minded countries, you must be able to have the free flow of munitions between us,” he said.

Feeling the pressure for results, President Biden’s administration is preparing to roll out some initial Aukus success stories in the next few months, officials told Bloomberg News. Before the end of this year, the partners expect to field a new AI-powered technology to allow them to share underwater reconnaissance data on Russian and Chinese subs in real time, Michael Horowitz, deputy assistant secretary of defense, said in an interview. Remote-controlled undersea drones are another target area, along with hypersonic missiles.

“Pillar II is stronger now that at any time since the inception of Aukus,” he said.

At the same time, officials in the Pentagon and the State Department are racing to weave the alliance into the fabric of the bureaucracy, staffing up teams to implement it, aiming to make it harder for a new administration to throw cooperation into reverse.

“Institutionalization and bureaucracy is not glamorous, but it’s critical to ensuring the success of Aukus,” said Mara Karlin, who until December served as a senior official in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy.

Still, “there is a risk it does die on the vine,” said Stacie Pettyjohn, director of the defense program at the Center for a New American Security. That’s a worry some inside the administration share, though they decline to say so publicly.

Technology sharing is still in question because of decades-old US rules on releasing secrets to other countries. Efforts are underway to remove those barriers, but it’s been slow going. “If they can’t break those down, the whole thing on Pillar II, I think, will collapse,” said Pettyjohn.

Only in the last few months have government officials begun reaching out to industry in the three partner countries for feedback on how to improve cooperation. Executives, who had been blindsided by the deal, had been calling for that from the outset.

“Pillar I is on track despite being a massive and heavy lift,” said Karlin, referring to the submarine part of the deal. “Pillar II is being increasingly well-defined.”

Courtney, the congressman, said, “Of all the initiatives that the US is doing in the Indo-Pacific, it’s definitely the one that has the most muscle.”

For the moment, of course, the US still has a massive lead in nuclear-powered attack submarines, which allow it to secretly deliver munitions around the globe. But its fleet counts only 49 of the vessels — well short of the 66 the Navy says it needs. About half are based in the Pacific, but only a fraction of those are at sea at any given moment.

“We’re going to slow-walk all this stuff because it’s all really complicated, and then we’re going to find ourselves in a goddamn shooting war with the Chinese and we’re going to realize we should have done this,” said Bruce Jones, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-15/biden-s-australia-uk-arms-deal-facing-pressure-over-delay-fears?

Witty Rejoinder said:

JudgeMental said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Voters are showing Labor no gratitude – and a howl of pain instead

By David Crowe
Updated July 16, 2024 — 2.54pm

Australians are in no mood to give Labor a vote of thanks when they are under severe pressure from rising prices and lower real wages, so they are letting out a howl of pain instead.

…

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voters-are-showing-labor-no-gratitude-and-a-howl-of-pain-instead-20240716-p5jtzg.html

What can a government do to help? Can’t force businesses to lower their prices. Interest rates would be a dicey gamble. Tax breaks would be OK if implemented to target the right people. Raise benefits.

The changes to Stage 3 are giving a more progressive tax cut that is not expected to be inflationary so that’s one good thing. Plus running a surplus is anti-inflationary too. With regards prices you’re right there is not much to do given the RBA independence.

And Labor inherited this inflation from the Covid measures of the previous government unlike the US where some argue that Biden’s overly generous government handouts worsened the inflation spike there which got exported around the world. There’s basically nothing Labor could have done differently given supply-side inflation besides price controls.

Obviously inflation is damaging but it’s also only those on the lowest incomes who suffer considering you can only reduce your expenditure on necessities so much. Qué horror someone on $100k has to ditch their weekly roast for spag bole.

It all comes down to the conservative nature of the Australian electorate who perceive Labor to be per economic managers despite all the evidence to the contrary. Morrison gave away $20B too much in JobKeeper with Labor not even bothering to investigate given the optics yet if Labor had done it there would be blood in the water.

Here I go, endorsing a post again.

In short:Linda Reynolds has won a legal bid to access the details of a protected trust into which her former staffer Brittany Higgins put funds from a $2.4 million settlement with the Commonwealth.
Ms Higgins established the trust in December 2022, the day after reaching the settlement over the handling of her sexual assault allegations in parliament.
What’s next?Senator Reynolds can now apply for the trust to overturned, meaning the money would be available to pay any potential costs if she wins her defamation case against Ms Higgins.

OCDC said:

In short:Linda Reynolds has won a legal bid to access the details of a protected trust into which her former staffer Brittany Higgins put funds from a $2.4 million settlement with the Commonwealth.
Ms Higgins established the trust in December 2022, the day after reaching the settlement over the handling of her sexual assault allegations in parliament.
What’s next?Senator Reynolds can now apply for the trust to overturned, meaning the money would be available to pay any potential costs if she wins her defamation case against Ms Higgins.

Beat me by that much.

LOL

ahahahahahahahahahaha

https://www.medicalrepublic.com.au/fury-over-queensland-physician-assistant-proposal/109161

LOL

Dominic Perrottet is quitting politics, ending a parliamentary career spanning more than 13 years.
It comes a month after another high-profile Liberal, former NSW treasurer Matt Kean, also resigned.

$$$

SCIENCE said:

Dominic Perrottet is quitting politics, ending a parliamentary career spanning more than 13 years.
It comes a month after another high-profile Liberal, former NSW treasurer Matt Kean, also resigned.

$$$

Hoo-hoo-hoo
Go on, take the money and run
Go on, take the money and run

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Dominic Perrottet is quitting politics, ending a parliamentary career spanning more than 13 years.
It comes a month after another high-profile Liberal, former NSW treasurer Matt Kean, also resigned.

$$$

Hoo-hoo-hoo
Go on, take the money and run
Go on, take the money and run

other way around

What’s next? Mr Perrottet is seeking opportunities in the private sector, while his party faces two by-elections.

Run and take the money¡

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Dominic Perrottet is quitting politics, ending a parliamentary career spanning more than 13 years.
It comes a month after another high-profile Liberal, former NSW treasurer Matt Kean, also resigned.

$$$

Hoo-hoo-hoo
Go on, take the money and run
Go on, take the money and run

other way around

What’s next? Mr Perrottet is seeking opportunities in the private sector, while his party faces two by-elections.

Run and take the money¡

What did either of them actually do to warrant the loot?

So

Enough water for nuclear reactors in NSW

actually not

but scientists worry about wildlife

enough water then¿

The environmental impact of both systems has raised concerns in conservation groups. While the closed-loop system does not return water warmer to the supply than when it was taken out, the once-through cooling process does. Professor Johnson said changes to the temperature of Lake Lyell and Liddell could be harmful aquatic native wildlife. “Eco-systems are evolved and used to a certain temperature range, so when temperatures are higher than that, it can change all the things that live in the river,” she said. Jacqui Mills from the NSW Nature Conservation Council believed the once-through cooling method could have catastrophic consequences. “If you have hot water discharges, it will very likely kill microorganisms,” Ms Mills said. “That has a flow-on impact for the creatures that rely on them like platypus. “It basically disrupts the environment.”

But TechBro Said DisruptionGood ¡

SCIENCE said:

So

Enough water for nuclear reactors in NSW

actually not

but scientists worry about wildlife

enough water then¿

The environmental impact of both systems has raised concerns in conservation groups. While the closed-loop system does not return water warmer to the supply than when it was taken out, the once-through cooling process does. Professor Johnson said changes to the temperature of Lake Lyell and Liddell could be harmful aquatic native wildlife. “Eco-systems are evolved and used to a certain temperature range, so when temperatures are higher than that, it can change all the things that live in the river,” she said. Jacqui Mills from the NSW Nature Conservation Council believed the once-through cooling method could have catastrophic consequences. “If you have hot water discharges, it will very likely kill microorganisms,” Ms Mills said. “That has a flow-on impact for the creatures that rely on them like platypus. “It basically disrupts the environment.”

But TechBro Said DisruptionGood ¡

TechBro knows nothing about fish.

Can’t wait til we wind back the clock to 2007 and once more have bipartisan support for carbon pricing so that we can avoid all this busywork

dv said:

Sounds about right

oh so now

they’re “friends” aha

SCIENCE said:

oh so now

they’re “friends” aha

Surprise the corruption disinformation strategy

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-22/solar-farm-investor-doubt-coalition-nuclear-proposal/104123874

is doing what they intended it to do¡

This is

known as “hitting your emissions targets“¡

Warfare is a good thing, it will reduce the population, increase The Economy Must Grow, and then productivity will be much higher and environmental impacts will be much lower¡

SCIENCE said:

This is

known as “hitting your emissions targets“¡

Warfare is a good thing, it will reduce the population, increase The Economy Must Grow, and then productivity will be much higher and environmental impacts will be much lower¡

and pollute vast swathes of land sea and air.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

This is

known as “hitting your emissions targets“¡

Warfare is a good thing, it will reduce the population, increase The Economy Must Grow, and then productivity will be much higher and environmental impacts will be much lower¡

and pollute vast swathes of land sea and air.

yeah, but if we didn’t then somebody else would.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

This is

known as “hitting your emissions targets“¡

Warfare is a good thing, it will reduce the population, increase The Economy Must Grow, and then productivity will be much higher and environmental impacts will be much lower¡

and pollute vast swathes of land sea and air.

yeah, but if we didn’t then somebody else would.

(y)

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

This is

known as “hitting your emissions targets“¡

Warfare is a good thing, it will reduce the population, increase The Economy Must Grow, and then productivity will be much higher and environmental impacts will be much lower¡

and pollute vast swathes of land sea and air.

yeah, but if we didn’t then somebody else would.

Have been doing it since forever.

EXCLUSIVE
Legal discovery reveals Linda Reynolds’ leaks
Senator Linda Reynolds repeatedly leaked confidential correspondence about Brittany Higgins’ compensation, legal documents reveal.

Former defence minister Linda Reynolds repeatedly leaked confidential correspondence about Brittany Higgins’ compensation payout to the media according to legal documents filed in the WA Supreme Court in conduct that is alleged to constitute an ongoing “campaign of harassment”.

The alleged conduct, detailed for the first time in Ms Higgins’ amended defence to Senator Reynolds’ defamation claim, follows legal discovery of Senator Reynolds’ emails, texts and correspondence regarding the rape allegation.

https://www.news.com.au/national/legal-discovery-reveals-linda-reynolds-leaks/news-story/bd2d1b2f85bb35f4135702be6b06aafd

dv said:

EXCLUSIVE
Legal discovery reveals Linda Reynolds’ leaks
Senator Linda Reynolds repeatedly leaked confidential correspondence about Brittany Higgins’ compensation, legal documents reveal.

Former defence minister Linda Reynolds repeatedly leaked confidential correspondence about Brittany Higgins’ compensation payout to the media according to legal documents filed in the WA Supreme Court in conduct that is alleged to constitute an ongoing “campaign of harassment”.

The alleged conduct, detailed for the first time in Ms Higgins’ amended defence to Senator Reynolds’ defamation claim, follows legal discovery of Senator Reynolds’ emails, texts and correspondence regarding the rape allegation.

https://www.news.com.au/national/legal-discovery-reveals-linda-reynolds-leaks/news-story/bd2d1b2f85bb35f4135702be6b06aafd

Emails Again ¿ Lock Her Up ¡

dv said:

EXCLUSIVE
Legal discovery reveals Linda Reynolds’ leaks
Senator Linda Reynolds repeatedly leaked confidential correspondence about Brittany Higgins’ compensation, legal documents reveal.

Former defence minister Linda Reynolds repeatedly leaked confidential correspondence about Brittany Higgins’ compensation payout to the media according to legal documents filed in the WA Supreme Court in conduct that is alleged to constitute an ongoing “campaign of harassment”.

The alleged conduct, detailed for the first time in Ms Higgins’ amended defence to Senator Reynolds’ defamation claim, follows legal discovery of Senator Reynolds’ emails, texts and correspondence regarding the rape allegation.

https://www.news.com.au/national/legal-discovery-reveals-linda-reynolds-leaks/news-story/bd2d1b2f85bb35f4135702be6b06aafd

Well, of course she engaged in a sneaky, dirty, underhanded game of harassment, all the while pretending to be any one of the concerned minister, ignorant third party, or caring boss, as the situation required.

She was in Morrison’s government of crooks, criminals, and swindlers, was she not?

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

EXCLUSIVE
Legal discovery reveals Linda Reynolds’ leaks
Senator Linda Reynolds repeatedly leaked confidential correspondence about Brittany Higgins’ compensation, legal documents reveal.

Former defence minister Linda Reynolds repeatedly leaked confidential correspondence about Brittany Higgins’ compensation payout to the media according to legal documents filed in the WA Supreme Court in conduct that is alleged to constitute an ongoing “campaign of harassment”.

The alleged conduct, detailed for the first time in Ms Higgins’ amended defence to Senator Reynolds’ defamation claim, follows legal discovery of Senator Reynolds’ emails, texts and correspondence regarding the rape allegation.

https://www.news.com.au/national/legal-discovery-reveals-linda-reynolds-leaks/news-story/bd2d1b2f85bb35f4135702be6b06aafd

Well, of course she engaged in a sneaky, dirty, underhanded game of harassment, all the while pretending to be any one of the concerned minister, ignorant third party, or caring boss, as the situation required.

She was in Morrison’s government of crooks, criminals, and swindlers, was she not?

I am afraid that all of the above seems to be true and correct.

So decisions should be made on the basis of policy, not party team sports¿

“There is certainly a paradox at play here, where there’s effectively an alliance of opportunity,” he says. “We know that, in particular, conservative Muslims … issue with Greens policies on the liberalisation of drug use, sex work, LGBTQIA+ rights and so on. “But there are also core areas in which they agree, in particular, the elevation of Indigenous rights, stopping the war.”

What a Jupiterdamn surprise.

Following Friday’s outage, Professor Weaver called on the Australian government to consider ways of operating critical infrastructure without the use of IT services, including adding analog backups. “If the telecoms are down and the media outlets are offline, how do we communicate with the public?” For the telecoms network, adding an analog backup could include re-installing copper wires (which carry an analog signal) in some areas. “If we had copper wires … it would allow limited functionality at a time of crisis,” Professor Weaver says. “It’s not just about the quickest and fastest NBN .”

See Told You Corruption Did It The Right Way ¡

Hey we’ve

The prime minister’s task is to demonstrate he has them all under control. The opposition leader is determined to show that the government has no idea what it’s doing on any of them and has created an utter mess.

got a much better idea for opposition, why not fucking show that you’re going to be better than status quo at keeping those issues under control¿ Works for keeping inferior races boats and inferior genders reproductive rights and inferior pollutants clean energy shifts under control eh¿

dv said:

“The LNP says it does not support pill testing and will scrap it if elected to government at the state election in October.”

Oh, fantastic. Not.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-25/pill-testing-to-be-available-at-gold-coast-schoolies/104141614

Michael V said:

“The LNP says it does not support pill testing and will scrap it if elected to government at the state election in October.”

Oh, fantastic. Not.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-25/pill-testing-to-be-available-at-gold-coast-schoolies/104141614

Just say no kids

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“The LNP says it does not support pill testing and will scrap it if elected to government at the state election in October.”

Oh, fantastic. Not.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-25/pill-testing-to-be-available-at-gold-coast-schoolies/104141614

Just say no kids

The point is that some people will misuse drugs. We ought to show a duty of care to all, not just those who do what we say they should do.

Michael V said:

“The LNP says it does not support pill testing and will scrap it if elected to government at the state election in October.”

Oh, fantastic. Not.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-25/pill-testing-to-be-available-at-gold-coast-schoolies/104141614

It’s the Trump ‘no testing=no problem’ approach.

If we don’t test the drugs, it makes it easier for us to pretend that there’s no drugs, and therefore, there is no drug problem.

Michael V said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“The LNP says it does not support pill testing and will scrap it if elected to government at the state election in October.”

Oh, fantastic. Not.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-25/pill-testing-to-be-available-at-gold-coast-schoolies/104141614

Just say no kids

The point is that some people will misuse drugs. We ought to show a duty of care to all, not just those who do what we say they should do.

I was being sarcastic but I completely agree with you.

Michael V said:

“The LNP says it does not support pill testing and will scrap it if elected to government at the state election in October.”

Oh, fantastic. Not.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-25/pill-testing-to-be-available-at-gold-coast-schoolies/104141614

Yeah, great.

The Minns Labor govt in NSW seems to be very timid about pill testing… they promised a drugs summit.. as well.

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Cymek said:

Just say no kids

The point is that some people will misuse drugs. We ought to show a duty of care to all, not just those who do what we say they should do.

I was being sarcastic but I completely agree with you.

Ah.

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Cymek said:

Just say no kids

The point is that some people will misuse drugs. We ought to show a duty of care to all, not just those who do what we say they should do.

I was being sarcastic but I completely agree with you.

I thought pill testing was about making sure the kids knew what they were taking so that they can make informed choices. Street drugs are usually cut with something in order to continue making a profit.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

“The LNP says it does not support pill testing and will scrap it if elected to government at the state election in October.”

Oh, fantastic. Not.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-25/pill-testing-to-be-available-at-gold-coast-schoolies/104141614

It’s the Trump ‘no testing=no problem’ approach.

If we don’t test the drugs, it makes it easier for us to pretend that there’s no drugs, and therefore, there is no drug problem.

I’ve never observed that in effect.

Oh c’m‘on it’s not

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-25/paris-olympics-michael-palfrey-australian-swimming-coach/104142868

like the fella was training CHINA pilots in secret military moves or anything

wait¿

Imagine SCIENCE being a method to narrow the confidence

After hearing evidence in a lengthy trial, Justice Michael Lee said on the balance of probabilities, the plaintiffs failed to prove that the products caused cancer. Justice Lee acknowledged there were mixed views in the scientific community about the risks of Roundup, and said further research could provide a more definitive answer. “One thing is plain — the science is not all one way,” he said. The judge said none of the scientific studies presented at the trial led him to conclude there was “clear and compelling” evidence that glyphosate caused cancer in mammals. The lawsuit against Monsanto and Bayer has now been dismissed.

interval for truth.

SCIENCE said:

Imagine SCIENCE being a method to narrow the confidence

After hearing evidence in a lengthy trial, Justice Michael Lee said on the balance of probabilities, the plaintiffs failed to prove that the products caused cancer. Justice Lee acknowledged there were mixed views in the scientific community about the risks of Roundup, and said further research could provide a more definitive answer. “One thing is plain — the science is not all one way,” he said. The judge said none of the scientific studies presented at the trial led him to conclude there was “clear and compelling” evidence that glyphosate caused cancer in mammals. The lawsuit against Monsanto and Bayer has now been dismissed.

interval for truth.

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Interesting case because the people that were using glyphosate were probably using other weedacides and pesticides.

Former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has failed to overturn a finding of serious corrupt conduct against her, after challenging a report by the corruption watchdog in the state’s highest civil court.

OCDC said:

Former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has failed to overturn a finding of serious corrupt conduct against her, after challenging a report by the corruption watchdog in the state’s highest civil court.

Tant pis

dv said:

OCDC said:

Former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has failed to overturn a finding of serious corrupt conduct against her, after challenging a report by the corruption watchdog in the state’s highest civil court.

Tant pis

If she had a Tardis she could go back and not be corrupt this time.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

OCDC said:

Former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has failed to overturn a finding of serious corrupt conduct against her, after challenging a report by the corruption watchdog in the state’s highest civil court.

Tant pis

If she had a Tardis she could go back and not be corrupt this time.

Would that cause a paradox

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Tant pis

If she had a Tardis she could go back and not be corrupt this time.

Would that cause a paradox

A senior lib politician not being corrupt?

A paradox, certainly.

Although not an amusing one.

astounding

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

If she had a Tardis she could go back and not be corrupt this time.

Would that cause a paradox

A senior lib politician not being corrupt?

A paradox, certainly.

Although not an amusing one.

hmmmmmm… I mean I’m no LibNat fanboi but come now…

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

Would that cause a paradox

A senior lib politician not being corrupt?

A paradox, certainly.

Although not an amusing one.

hmmmmmm… I mean I’m no LibNat fanboi but come now…

but you are the closest thing we have to one.

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

A senior lib politician not being corrupt?

A paradox, certainly.

Although not an amusing one.

hmmmmmm… I mean I’m no LibNat fanboi but come now…

but you are the closest thing we have to one.

I don’t know what I am. Vote compass will re appear closer to the election to tell me.

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

A senior lib politician not being corrupt?

A paradox, certainly.

Although not an amusing one.

hmmmmmm… I mean I’m no LibNat fanboi but come now…

but you are the closest thing we have to one.

lol, that kinda funny.. I mean if being right leaning simply means not drinking the kool aid and trying to maintain a balanced perspective then I’m not sure if that says more about me or more about everyone else…

That aside, I’d be intrigued to se any post here where I’ve supported right aligned ideology.

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

A senior lib politician not being corrupt?

A paradox, certainly.

Although not an amusing one.

hmmmmmm… I mean I’m no LibNat fanboi but come now…

but you are the closest thing we have to one.

Admittedly it’s hard to tell when PWM is being serious, but I suspect he could be a contender for that title.

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

hmmmmmm… I mean I’m no LibNat fanboi but come now…

but you are the closest thing we have to one.

lol, that kinda funny.. I mean if being right leaning simply means not drinking the kool aid and trying to maintain a balanced perspective then I’m not sure if that says more about me or more about everyone else…

That aside, I’d be intrigued to se any post here where I’ve supported right aligned ideology.

I haven’t said nuthin’ against ya.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

If she had a Tardis she could go back and not be corrupt this time.

Would that cause a paradox

A senior lib politician not being corrupt?

A paradox, certainly.

Although not an amusing one.

I see you also sang the song.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

hmmmmmm… I mean I’m no LibNat fanboi but come now…

but you are the closest thing we have to one.

Admittedly it’s hard to tell when PWM is being serious, but I suspect he could be a contender for that title.

The previous NSW Labour Government wins gold when it comes to corruption.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

but you are the closest thing we have to one.

Admittedly it’s hard to tell when PWM is being serious, but I suspect he could be a contender for that title.

The previous NSW Labour Government wins gold when it comes to corruption.

Our Glad has just been done for it today.

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Admittedly it’s hard to tell when PWM is being serious, but I suspect he could be a contender for that title.

The previous NSW Labour Government wins gold when it comes to corruption.

Our Glad has just been done for it today.

Does nobody remeber Askin?

roughbarked said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The previous NSW Labour Government wins gold when it comes to corruption.

Our Glad has just been done for it today.

Does nobody remember Askin?

fixed.

lolbalancedperspectivelol

roughbarked said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The previous NSW Labour Government wins gold when it comes to corruption.

Our Glad has just been done for it today.

Does nobody remeber Askin?

yes.

and I remember when Wran was the premier, and treasurer, and minister for police, and racing, and gambling.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Woodie said:

Our Glad has just been done for it today.

Does nobody remeber Askin?

yes.

and I remember when Wran was the premier, and treasurer, and minister for police, and racing, and gambling.

His daughter was some kind of criminal too IIRC.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Woodie said:

Our Glad has just been done for it today.

Does nobody remeber Askin?

yes.

and I remember when Wran was the premier, and treasurer, and minister for police, and racing, and gambling.

Wran was invited and joined in on private club room parties with the local Marijuana Mafia mobsters. But he wasn’t the only one.
(though it was probably where he got his sore throat from. ;)

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Does nobody remeber Askin?

yes.

and I remember when Wran was the premier, and treasurer, and minister for police, and racing, and gambling.

His daughter was some kind of criminal too IIRC.

Drug addict suspected of murder.

roughbarked said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The previous NSW Labour Government wins gold when it comes to corruption.

Our Glad has just been done for it today.

Does nobody remeber Askin?

Oh, yes, Robbin’ Askin.

Nothing happened in NSW unless Bobby boy got a few dollars out of it.

That said, Neville Wran was a very well-deserved silver medallist in the Four-Year Backhander event.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Woodie said:

Our Glad has just been done for it today.

Does nobody remeber Askin?

Oh, yes, Robbin’ Askin.

Nothing happened in NSW unless Bobby boy got a few dollars out of it.

That said, Neville Wran was a very well-deserved silver medallist in the Four-Year Backhander event.

He was.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Woodie said:

Our Glad has just been done for it today.

Does nobody remeber Askin?

Oh, yes, Robbin’ Askin.

Nothing happened in NSW unless Bobby boy got a few dollars out of it.

That said, Neville Wran was a very well-deserved silver medallist in the Four-Year Backhander event.

I remember Askin’s to-be replacement Tom Lewis (then Minister for Lands) declaring in a 1974 interview that he would continue to work hard to chop the dead wood from the NSW Public Service. A week later he announced that he’d found an entire Government Department that was doing nothing, so he got rid of the Department.

I worked for that Department – The Registrar General’s Department, which had two branches – the Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (where I worked), and the Land Titles Office. He got rid of absolutely nobody. The Land Titles office went to the Department of Lands and BD&M went to the Department of services. Everybody stayed where they were…

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Does nobody remeber Askin?

Oh, yes, Robbin’ Askin.

Nothing happened in NSW unless Bobby boy got a few dollars out of it.

That said, Neville Wran was a very well-deserved silver medallist in the Four-Year Backhander event.

I remember Askin’s to-be replacement Tom Lewis (then Minister for Lands) declaring in a 1974 interview that he would continue to work hard to chop the dead wood from the NSW Public Service. A week later he announced that he’d found an entire Government Department that was doing nothing, so he got rid of the Department.

I worked for that Department – The Registrar General’s Department, which had two branches – the Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (where I worked), and the Land Titles Office. He got rid of absolutely nobody. The Land Titles office went to the Department of Lands and BD&M went to the Department of services. Everybody stayed where they were…

The classic reshuffle of titles.

roughbarked said:

reshuffle

https://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-eyes-are-on-sundays-reshuffle-but-governments-fears-are-about-wednesdays-inflation-number-235506

Yeah¿ Well if

Who’d want the job of bank governor Michele Bullock right now? If rates were hiked in August, Bullock would take a heap of flak. But, unlike the government, she doesn’t face an election. Critics, especially the opposition, would accuse the government of fuelling inflation with its budget cost-of-living measures, although Treasury has estimated they reduce inflation. The Westpac forecast for the June quarter is an annual rate of 3.8%. Inflation is being fed by rises in petrol prices, insurance and rents. This week the markets’ expectation of an August rate rise is still relatively low. So for the government, there is an encouraging chance of dodging the bullet – and the ire of home buyers.

inflation really is being fed by rises in petrol prices, then go induce more demand for electric vehicles to replace the fossil fed ones.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Does nobody remeber Askin?

Oh, yes, Robbin’ Askin.

Nothing happened in NSW unless Bobby boy got a few dollars out of it.

That said, Neville Wran was a very well-deserved silver medallist in the Four-Year Backhander event.

I remember Askin’s to-be replacement Tom Lewis (then Minister for Lands) declaring in a 1974 interview that he would continue to work hard to chop the dead wood from the NSW Public Service. A week later he announced that he’d found an entire Government Department that was doing nothing, so he got rid of the Department.

I worked for that Department – The Registrar General’s Department, which had two branches – the Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (where I worked), and the Land Titles Office. He got rid of absolutely nobody. The Land Titles office went to the Department of Lands and BD&M went to the Department of services. Everybody stayed where they were…

So, win-win then :)

After 20 years in politics, Linda Burney has announced that she intends to retire at the next election. She is currently Minister for Indigenous Australians.

dv said:

After 20 years in politics, Linda Burney has announced that she intends to retire at the next election. She is currently Minister for Indigenous Australians.

Brendan O’Connor, the Skills and Training minister, has made a similar announcement.

dv said:

After 20 years in politics, Linda Burney has announced that she intends to retire at the next election. She is currently Minister for Indigenous Australians.

That’s old news.

dv said:

dv said:

After 20 years in politics, Linda Burney has announced that she intends to retire at the next election. She is currently Minister for Indigenous Australians.

Brendan O’Connor, the Skills and Training minister, has made a similar announcement.

Okay, that’s new news.

More of PWM’s Borg in action:

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jul/27/walkouts-and-shouts-of-shame-at-nsw-labor-conference-as-anthony-albanese-calls-for-unity

Bump so that people can update their fave list.

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

get ready to load that magazine and

What’s wrong with putting a good periodical in the boot of your Hyundai¿

Bump so that people can update their fave list.

sorry we blame that misdirecting disinforming troll roughbarked for leading us down the dark garden path

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

What’s wrong with putting a good periodical in the boot of your Hyundai¿

Bump so that people can update their fave list.

sorry we blame that misdirecting disinforming troll roughbarked for leading us down the dark garden path

he’s a worry that’s for sure.

ChrispenEvan said:

Bump so that people can update their fave list.

If only there was some list in menu that contained such handy links.

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Bump so that people can update their fave list.

If only there was some list in menu that contained such handy links.

if only.

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Bump so that people can update their fave list.

If only there was some list in menu that contained such handy links.

There is and didn’t I use it?

“PM calls for Barnaby Joyce to be sacked over ‘bullet’ comment at wind farm protest rally’:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-29/barnaby-joyce-apologises-for-comparing-bullets-ballot-paper/104153964

I used the current Australian politics thread and I just went there again and it gave me the December thread but it ends up being July?

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/17251

roughbarked said:

I used the current Australian politics thread and I just went there again and it gave me the December thread but it ends up being July?

What

roughbarked said:

PM calls for Barnaby Joyce to be sacked over ‘bullet’ comment at wind farm protest rally

dv said:

roughbarked said:

I used the current Australian politics thread and I just went there again and it gave me the December thread but it ends up being July?

What

From your site.
http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04R.html

roughbarked said:

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/17251

Maybe you should do a refresh or something? That page hasn’t had a white background since last year.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

I used the current Australian politics thread and I just went there again and it gave me the December thread but it ends up being July?

What

From your site.
http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04R.html

I think that Science quoted my post into the July thread.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

I used the current Australian politics thread and I just went there again and it gave me the December thread but it ends up being July?

What

From your site.
http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04R.html

Click on DV Index above, and go from there.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

I used the current Australian politics thread and I just went there again and it gave me the December thread but it ends up being July?

What

From your site.
http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04R.html

Click on DV Index above, and go from there.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/17251

Maybe you should do a refresh or something? That page hasn’t had a white background since last year.

I see. hmm. That was probably the last time I was there before today.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

What

From your site.
http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04R.html

Click on DV Index above, and go from there.

Yeah that works.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

What

From your site.
http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04R.html

I think that Science quoted my post into the July thread.

He is such a scamp

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

PM calls for Barnaby Joyce to be sacked over ‘bullet’ comment at wind farm protest rally

He needs to think a bit more before speaking.

It doesn’t appear to do this.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

From your site.
http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04R.html

I think that Science quoted my post into the July thread.

He is such a scamp

That having been said, now rings true.

Ian said:

That head demands a slapping.

Its amusing how many annoying horrible people have such punch-able faces

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

PM calls for Barnaby Joyce to be sacked over ‘bullet’ comment at wind farm protest rally

He needs to think a bit more before speaking.

It doesn’t appear to do this.

He’s got cirrhosis of the brain.

Cymek said:

Ian said:

That head demands a slapping.

Its amusing how many annoying horrible people have such punch-able faces

It is their inner self showing.