Anyone with any auto electrical experience?

I replaced one of the sets of tail/brake/turn/reversing lights on the Rodeo ute a few days ago.

It worked fine the day before yesterday. Went to go out in it yesterday, and turn indicators (on both right and left sides) don’t work. Tail, brake, and reversing lights on both light bars work fine, just no turn indicators.

Today’s investigations show:

*fuses ok

*no power on the turn indicator wire at the connector where the light bar plugs in. Power for tail/reversing/brake lights, OK.

• no power in the fuse box on the turn indicator fuse socket

Any thoughts?

captain_spalding said:

Anyone with any auto electrical experience?

I replaced one of the sets of tail/brake/turn/reversing lights on the Rodeo ute a few days ago.

It worked fine the day before yesterday. Went to go out in it yesterday, and turn indicators (on both right and left sides) don’t work. Tail, brake, and reversing lights on both light bars work fine, just no turn indicators.

Today’s investigations show:

*fuses ok

*no power on the turn indicator wire at the connector where the light bar plugs in. Power for tail/reversing/brake lights, OK.

• no power in the fuse box on the turn indicator fuse socket

Any thoughts?

buggered indicator clicker thingo, matbe. try bypassing the switch, that way if that isn’t working you’ll find out. find the power side of the clicker thingo and put power in there. try indicators.

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

Anyone with any auto electrical experience?

I replaced one of the sets of tail/brake/turn/reversing lights on the Rodeo ute a few days ago.

It worked fine the day before yesterday. Went to go out in it yesterday, and turn indicators (on both right and left sides) don’t work. Tail, brake, and reversing lights on both light bars work fine, just no turn indicators.

Today’s investigations show:

*fuses ok

*no power on the turn indicator wire at the connector where the light bar plugs in. Power for tail/reversing/brake lights, OK.

• no power in the fuse box on the turn indicator fuse socket

Any thoughts?

buggered indicator clicker thingo, matbe. try bypassing the switch, that way if that isn’t working you’ll find out. find the power side of the clicker thingo and put power in there. try indicators.

Yes, i suspected something of the sort. But, i suspect that would involve me removing the dashboard, and poking around in horribly cramped , awkward, and confusing spaces, and swearing my head off.

If it’s likely to be something in that vein, i might just detour around all that, and get an auto electrician to investigate.

What year rodeo?

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

Anyone with any auto electrical experience?

I replaced one of the sets of tail/brake/turn/reversing lights on the Rodeo ute a few days ago.

It worked fine the day before yesterday. Went to go out in it yesterday, and turn indicators (on both right and left sides) don’t work. Tail, brake, and reversing lights on both light bars work fine, just no turn indicators.

Today’s investigations show:

*fuses ok

*no power on the turn indicator wire at the connector where the light bar plugs in. Power for tail/reversing/brake lights, OK.

• no power in the fuse box on the turn indicator fuse socket

Any thoughts?

buggered indicator clicker thingo, matbe. try bypassing the switch, that way if that isn’t working you’ll find out. find the power side of the clicker thingo and put power in there. try indicators.

Yes, i suspected something of the sort. But, i suspect that would involve me removing the dashboard, and poking around in horribly cramped , awkward, and confusing spaces, and swearing my head off.

If it’s likely to be something in that vein, i might just detour around all that, and get an auto electrician to investigate.

yeah under dash work when one is a tad on in years is a pain. can get into position just can’t get out of it.

Dark Orange said:

What year rodeo?

RA model. 2004, i think.

Mate you’re in Queensland, don’t worry about the indicators.
I’d never do it, but I have to say that I am curious to see how many years I could go without using the indicators before getting pinged by Mr Plod.

But seriously, just take to a sparky.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

What year rodeo?

RA model. 2004, i think.

VIN?
Chassis number?
Engine number?

;-)

Spiny Norman said:

Mate you’re in Queensland, don’t worry about the indicators.
I’d never do it, but I have to say that I am curious to see how many years I could go without using the indicators before getting pinged by Mr Plod.

But seriously, just take to a sparky.

Yeah, probably the best way.

I’ll se about it on Monday.

In the meantime, i need to brush up on my driver hand signals, and make a sign: ‘No turn indicators. Watch for hand signals’.

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

What year rodeo?

RA model. 2004, i think.

VIN?
Chassis number?
Engine number?
Bank Account Password? ;-)

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

buggered indicator clicker thingo, matbe. try bypassing the switch, that way if that isn’t working you’ll find out. find the power side of the clicker thingo and put power in there. try indicators.

Yes, i suspected something of the sort. But, i suspect that would involve me removing the dashboard, and poking around in horribly cramped , awkward, and confusing spaces, and swearing my head off.

If it’s likely to be something in that vein, i might just detour around all that, and get an auto electrician to investigate.

yeah under dash work when one is a tad on in years is a pain. can get into position just can’t get out of it.

I know that feeling.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

What year rodeo?

RA model. 2004, i think.

So you are not getting power at the indicator fuse? Sounds strange.

Can’t find that year, but a generic Rodeo schematic tells me that there are two fuses supplying the flasher system – one supply for indicators, and one for the hazards. (the hazard stitch bypasses the indicator stalk and supplies a different feed directly to the flasher module)

So step 1 – does the hazard switch work?

Schematics show the flasher module is solid state module with three connections – ground, 12V feed (from either hazard or blinker supply) and an output.

So step 2 – find flasher module. Unplug. Does it have 12v on one of the pins?

Dark Orange said:

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

What year rodeo?

RA model. 2004, i think.

So you are not getting power at the indicator fuse? Sounds strange.

Can’t find that year, but a generic Rodeo schematic tells me that there are two fuses supplying the flasher system – one supply for indicators, and one for the hazards. (the hazard stitch bypasses the indicator stalk and supplies a different feed directly to the flasher module)

So step 1 – does the hazard switch work?

Schematics show the flasher module is solid state module with three connections – ground, 12V feed (from either hazard or blinker supply) and an output.

So step 2 – find flasher module. Unplug. Does it have 12v on one of the pins?

Hazard switch does not work.

Any clues as to where the flasher module might be located?

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

captain_spalding said:

RA model. 2004, i think.

So you are not getting power at the indicator fuse? Sounds strange.

Can’t find that year, but a generic Rodeo schematic tells me that there are two fuses supplying the flasher system – one supply for indicators, and one for the hazards. (the hazard stitch bypasses the indicator stalk and supplies a different feed directly to the flasher module)

So step 1 – does the hazard switch work?

Schematics show the flasher module is solid state module with three connections – ground, 12V feed (from either hazard or blinker supply) and an output.

So step 2 – find flasher module. Unplug. Does it have 12v on one of the pins?

Hazard switch does not work.

Any clues as to where the flasher module might be located?

Google suggests it is behind the glove box:

Dark Orange said:

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

So you are not getting power at the indicator fuse? Sounds strange.

Can’t find that year, but a generic Rodeo schematic tells me that there are two fuses supplying the flasher system – one supply for indicators, and one for the hazards. (the hazard stitch bypasses the indicator stalk and supplies a different feed directly to the flasher module)

So step 1 – does the hazard switch work?

Schematics show the flasher module is solid state module with three connections – ground, 12V feed (from either hazard or blinker supply) and an output.

So step 2 – find flasher module. Unplug. Does it have 12v on one of the pins?

Hazard switch does not work.

Any clues as to where the flasher module might be located?

Google suggests it is behind the glove box:

Ta. I’ll go and see if i can (a) get at it without major destruction atthis late stage of the day, (b) test it.

Nope, afraid not, it’sall just plain black plastic trunking behind the glove box. Nothing that looks like a relay.

I’ll have a look behind the kick panels.

Nope, nothing behindthe kick panels, either.

Better start looking for an auto electrician.

captain_spalding said:

Nope, nothing behindthe kick panels, either.

Better start looking for an auto electrician.

try behind the couch.

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

Nope, nothing behindthe kick panels, either.

Better start looking for an auto electrician.

try behind the couch.

I’ll try to remember where i last saw an auto electrician, and work from there.

been helping a friend wire his trail for a fridge. anderson to cig socket. I know what I’m doing. he was trying to be helpful.

Ok

Try this

Push the emergency flashers button and see what happens

wookiemeister said:

Ok

Try this

Push the emergency flashers button and see what happens

Its the one with the triangle

To my knowledge the rodeos have a brain glitch, I had one once as a work vehicle. It wouldn’t start, online suggestions were wait 5 minutes and the glitch goes away then try starting again. If I were you I’d buy something from Mitsubishi Hyundai is too expensive these days and of dubious quality. Fords and Holden’s are as a general rule glitchy and full of problems and alarms that go off as you drive for no particular reason.

wookiemeister said:

To my knowledge the rodeos have a brain glitch, I had one once as a work vehicle. It wouldn’t start, online suggestions were wait 5 minutes and the glitch goes away then try starting again. If I were you I’d buy something from Mitsubishi Hyundai is too expensive these days and of dubious quality. Fords and Holden’s are as a general rule glitchy and full of problems and alarms that go off as you drive for no particular reason.

Thanks, wookie. I wish i could afford to replace it, but…

Really, it’s been a fairly reliable old beast (touch wood), with only a couple of minor defects, readily fixed, over many years. It owes me nothing, and i think we understand each other to a significant degree.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

To my knowledge the rodeos have a brain glitch, I had one once as a work vehicle. It wouldn’t start, online suggestions were wait 5 minutes and the glitch goes away then try starting again. If I were you I’d buy something from Mitsubishi Hyundai is too expensive these days and of dubious quality. Fords and Holden’s are as a general rule glitchy and full of problems and alarms that go off as you drive for no particular reason.

Thanks, wookie. I wish i could afford to replace it, but…

Really, it’s been a fairly reliable old beast (touch wood), with only a couple of minor defects, readily fixed, over many years. It owes me nothing, and i think we understand each other to a significant degree.

Have you tried pushing the triangle button ?

wookiemeister said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

To my knowledge the rodeos have a brain glitch, I had one once as a work vehicle. It wouldn’t start, online suggestions were wait 5 minutes and the glitch goes away then try starting again. If I were you I’d buy something from Mitsubishi Hyundai is too expensive these days and of dubious quality. Fords and Holden’s are as a general rule glitchy and full of problems and alarms that go off as you drive for no particular reason.

Thanks, wookie. I wish i could afford to replace it, but…

Really, it’s been a fairly reliable old beast (touch wood), with only a couple of minor defects, readily fixed, over many years. It owes me nothing, and i think we understand each other to a significant degree.

Have you tried pushing the triangle button ?

As in I’m suspecting it’s a brain glitch

Is it the golden brown colour ?

I used to have a getz that one day for no reason would refuse to allow the indicators to work. I reasoned that the emergency light button must bypass the indicators, perhaps a different input. The emergency button activated the indicators, then the indicator switch came to life. Every few year or so it would suffer the same problem and I’d just activate the hazard button.

Get the man in.

Many machines suffer from glitches, if you can wake the brain it must activate the PLC programme at the right point and everything goes back to number

My theory is part of the memory must fail causing the programme to fail in unexpected ways.

Maybe ESD when being manufactured perhaps ?

captain_spalding said:

Nope, nothing behindthe kick panels, either.

Better start looking for an auto electrician.

Do you have/have you looked at .. a workshop manual for it?

https://www.allcarmanuals.com/factory-service-manual-245-Holden-Rodeo-RA.html

AussieDJ said:

captain_spalding said:

Nope, nothing behindthe kick panels, either.

Better start looking for an auto electrician.

Do you have/have you looked at .. a workshop manual for it?

https://www.allcarmanuals.com/factory-service-manual-245-Holden-Rodeo-RA.html

Have you replaced your incandescent bulbs with LEDs? That can give some of those symptoms.

Tamb said:

AussieDJ said:

captain_spalding said:

Nope, nothing behindthe kick panels, either.

Better start looking for an auto electrician.

Do you have/have you looked at .. a workshop manual for it?

https://www.allcarmanuals.com/factory-service-manual-245-Holden-Rodeo-RA.html

Have you replaced your incandescent bulbs with LEDs? That can give some of those symptoms.

No, strictly steam-punk lights.

AussieDJ said:

captain_spalding said:

Nope, nothing behindthe kick panels, either.

Better start looking for an auto electrician.

Do you have/have you looked at .. a workshop manual for it?

https://www.allcarmanuals.com/factory-service-manual-245-Holden-Rodeo-RA.html

No, don’t have one of those. Would probably just get me into more trouble.

captain_spalding said:

AussieDJ said:

captain_spalding said:

Nope, nothing behindthe kick panels, either.

Better start looking for an auto electrician.

Do you have/have you looked at .. a workshop manual for it?

https://www.allcarmanuals.com/factory-service-manual-245-Holden-Rodeo-RA.html

No, don’t have one of those. Would probably just get me into more trouble.

Perhaps, but it would also give you an indication (sorry) of what else to check.

AussieDJ said:

captain_spalding said:

AussieDJ said:

Do you have/have you looked at .. a workshop manual for it?

https://www.allcarmanuals.com/factory-service-manual-245-Holden-Rodeo-RA.html

No, don’t have one of those. Would probably just get me into more trouble.

Perhaps, but it would also give you an indication (sorry) of what else to check.

Unless it was a British manual which starts : Use special tool abc-xyz.

AussieDJ said:

captain_spalding said:

AussieDJ said:

Do you have/have you looked at .. a workshop manual for it?

https://www.allcarmanuals.com/factory-service-manual-245-Holden-Rodeo-RA.html

No, don’t have one of those. Would probably just get me into more trouble.

Perhaps, but it would also give you an indication (sorry) of what else to check.

These RA utes are pretty basic, real old-school. I doubt that there’s much more to their indicators than bulbs, wires, flasher unit, relay, switches, and fuse.

The bulbs and fuses are fine, and I’m just past all the wriggling and squirming and fossicking and cursing to find the flasher unit, and can’t be arsed with the switches and relays.

Tamb said:

Unless it was a British manual which starts : Use special tool abc-xyz.

Of which exactly five were made, in early1956. Three of which went down with the wreck ofthe ‘Andrea Doria’.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

Unless it was a British manual which starts : Use special tool abc-xyz.

Of which exactly five were made, in early1956. Three of which went down with the wreck ofthe ‘Andrea Doria’.

A bloke in outback Queensland has one of the remaining two. He uses it to kill cane toads.

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

Unless it was a British manual which starts : Use special tool abc-xyz.

Of which exactly five were made, in early1956. Three of which went down with the wreck ofthe ‘Andrea Doria’.

A bloke in outback Queensland has one of the remaining two. He uses it to kill cane toads.

And the remaining one was accidentally lost by an ISS astronaut six years ago, and is currently 400 km above Addis Ababa.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Of which exactly five were made, in early1956. Three of which went down with the wreck ofthe ‘Andrea Doria’.

A bloke in outback Queensland has one of the remaining two. He uses it to kill cane toads.

And the remaining one was accidentally lost by an ISS astronaut six years ago, and is currently 400 km above Addis Ababa.

On a decaying orbit?

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

A bloke in outback Queensland has one of the remaining two. He uses it to kill cane toads.

And the remaining one was accidentally lost by an ISS astronaut six years ago, and is currently 400 km above Addis Ababa.

On a decaying orbit?

Like all else in this vale of tears.

1) WB&D.

2) Apply liberally to affected area.

Kingy said:

1) WB&D.

2) Apply liberally to affected area.

They were rather dry…

Kingy said:

1) WB&D.

2) Apply liberally to affected area.

LOLOL

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

So you are not getting power at the indicator fuse? Sounds strange.

Can’t find that year, but a generic Rodeo schematic tells me that there are two fuses supplying the flasher system – one supply for indicators, and one for the hazards. (the hazard stitch bypasses the indicator stalk and supplies a different feed directly to the flasher module)

So step 1 – does the hazard switch work?

Schematics show the flasher module is solid state module with three connections – ground, 12V feed (from either hazard or blinker supply) and an output.

So step 2 – find flasher module. Unplug. Does it have 12v on one of the pins?

Hazard switch does not work.

Any clues as to where the flasher module might be located?

If – and a big IF, at that, I’m reading the schematic correctly, the flasher unit is in the dashboard, around near where the steering wheel goes through.

But, you’re right. At this stage of the weekend, it will be easier to take it to an auto-elec techo.

Oops!. I was searching for hazard (obviously)

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

AussieDJ said:

Do you have/have you looked at .. a workshop manual for it?

https://www.allcarmanuals.com/factory-service-manual-245-Holden-Rodeo-RA.html

Have you replaced your incandescent bulbs with LEDs? That can give some of those symptoms.

No, strictly steam-punk lights.

Should use a car bide lamp and see how it goes.

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

Have you replaced your incandescent bulbs with LEDs? That can give some of those symptoms.

No, strictly steam-punk lights.

Should use a car bide lamp and see how it goes.

I’ll ask the bloke who walks in front with the red flag about that.

Have you managed to get to the auto-elec?

see told you electric vehicles with their lithium batteries were dangerous and a higher fire risk than prometheus

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2024/10/10/kia-recall-fire-risk-australia

wait what

SCIENCE said:

see told you electric vehicles with their lithium batteries were dangerous and a higher fire risk than prometheus

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2024/10/10/kia-recall-fire-risk-australia

wait what

ahahahahaha see even if they don’t catch fire more they still rely on oil in the end ahaha

Florida deployed pop-up diesel-powered EV fast chargers along Hurricane Milton evacuation routes.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-10-11/electric-vehicles-evs-salt-water-fire-hurricane-milton/104455856

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