New thread for a new era.
New thread for a new era.
dv said:
New thread for a new era.
Looks like we still have some time to wait before UK politics reaches 2024.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
New thread for a new era.
Looks like we still have some time to wait before UK politics reaches 2024.
wtf they still have hereditary succession of power wtf
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
New thread for a new era.
Looks like we still have some time to wait before UK politics reaches 2024.
wtf they still have hereditary succession of power wtf
And an unelected upper house.
And an established religion!
dv said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Looks like we still have some time to wait before UK politics reaches 2024.
wtf they still have hereditary succession of power wtf
And an unelected upper house.
And an established religion!
and a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.
Speaking of religion though,
https://humanists.uk/2024/07/11/highest-number-of-mps-ever-take-secular-affirmation/

The UK has elected the most openly non-religious House of Commons in history, with roughly 40% of MPs during their swearing-in ceremony choosing to take the secular affirmation instead of a religious oath to God, up from 24% after the 2019 election. The non-religious include the Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer and 50% of the Cabinet.
there’s something.

SCIENCE said:
I think this was mainly due to the collapse in the Tory vote rather than any brillian LD strategy
SCIENCE said:
Meh. The Lib Dems got 12% of the vote and won 11% of the seats. Just about par IMHO.
Nobody should blame the L-Ds for stuffing up the system when they got closest to parity, and even then slightly behind.
party_pants said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
I think this was mainly due to the collapse in the Tory vote rather than any brillian LD strategy
Meh. The Lib Dems got 12% of the vote and won 11% of the seats. Just about par IMHO.
Nobody should blame the L-Ds for stuffing up the system when they got closest to parity, and even then slightly behind.
Sorry yes we do not mean to imply that the claims reach a scientific standard of proof for causality, we merely introduce them here as a matter of interest.
Similarly.

Interesting read.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-13/what-took-british-labour-so-long-to-get-elected/104079156


Remember the episode where Worzel married Aunt Sally?
dv said:
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Remember the episode where Worzel married Aunt Sally?
Sir Rumple of Tory.
dv said:
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Remember the episode where Worzel married Aunt Sally?
Sir Scruffy of Tory.
HS2 Manchester route not sold off yet as Labour weighs up rail options
EXCLUSIVE
The Government has a looming dilemma with climbing costs and pressure from supporters to bring back the Birmingham to Manchester line
begin the sales process earlier this year, but had yet to begin when the election was called.
The initial phase of land sales would have seen small amounts of agricultural land sold back to farmers. But it has not happened and it is unclear if the sales will begin under Labour.
It means that one obstacle to reviving HS2 does not exist, with the £564m of land that was purchased for phase 2 still owned by the Government.
Outside of the land issue, questions over the state of the budget and ability to deliver the necessary changes to Euston station remain, and will prove a challenge regardless of whether Labour heed calls to reinstate phase 2 of the rail network.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/hs2-revived-government-owns-land-birmingham-manchester-3163241
Britain’s skewed election reinforces the case for voting reform. After 2029
The new government has more important things to deal with first
Jul 11th 2024
Among the questions prompted by Labour’s huge victory on July 4th is whether Britain’s electoral system needs overhauling. The party won 63% of the seats on only a third of the vote, prompting complaints from some smaller parties, and a few smarting Conservatives, that the result was unfair. The case for reforming the country’s first-past-the-post (fptp) system, in which the candidate who wins the most votes in a constituency takes that seat, is becoming ever stronger. But it should not be a priority.
Measured by the difference between share of the votes and share of the seats in Parliament, this election was the most skewed result in British history, and second in Western democracies only to a French parliamentary election in 1993. Because its voters were efficiently distributed around the country, Labour needed fewer than 24,000 votes for each of its seats. Reform uk, in contrast, needed well over 800,000. Under the Scottish system of proportional representation (pr), Labour would have won 236 seats, not 411; Reform uk would have had 94 mps instead of five.

This result was not simply a one-off. British politics is fragmenting. Just one in ten Britons now identifies very strongly with either Labour or the Conservatives, compared with half of the voting public in the 1960s. With the exception of two Brexit elections in 2017 and 2019, no party has won 40% of the vote since 2001. The two big parties have each been handed big defeats in succession by a volatile electorate. And the electoral map is increasingly kaleidoscopic. In 92 of the country’s 650 constituencies, Labour and Reform uk were the two largest parties; in 84 the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives; in 41 Labour and the Greens; and in a further 41 Labour and the Scottish National Party.
Multi-party politics and a fptp electoral system make an uncomfortable mixture. As people transfer their allegiances to smaller parties, support for pr is rising. It has gone from 25% in 2011, at the time of a referendum on voting reform (when a move to an alternative-vote, or av, system was roundly rejected), to 50% now. Trust in politicians is at record lows: a system that leaves more people feeling ignored endangers the legitimacy of Parliament itself.
The election adds, then, to the case for a more proportional system. But there are also reasons for caution. The idea that Labour’s victory was accidental is nonsense. The voters and the parties both know how fptp works and behaved accordingly. All parties dispatched activists to seats where they had the best chances of winning. Plenty of Britons voted tactically, plumping for parties that would ensure a Tory loss in their seat. The result was an expression of voters’ wishes.
No electoral system is without its flaws. If fptp risks fuelling extremism among frustrated voters, then proportional representation can encourage the formation of smaller, more extreme parties. One system may amplify grievances; the other may amplify their effects. And pure pr systems can lead to a different form of illegitimacy, as coalitions and their programmes form and unravel beyond the scrutiny of voters.
But the main reason to be judicious is that other things matter more. Labour came to power promising stability: the last thing Britain needs right now is another round of constitutional change. Time and political energy are better spent on the party’s overriding mission of souping up growth. The new government has made a decent start, most notably with a series of measures to liberalise planning, but these are early days. Big battles lie ahead—not just over building, but also over Europe and public services.
Voting reform was not in Labour’s manifesto; it is not likely to feature in its first term. Good. But the election does reinforce the case for a more proportional system. By the time the country next votes, it will be almost 20 years since the av referendum. The two main parties should put commitments to electoral reform in their platforms in 2029.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/07/11/britains-skewed-election-reinforces-the-case-for-voting-reform-after-2029
Well Yes It Turns Out People Are Happier Under Communism

Labour makes rail nationalisation key priority
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/kings-speech-labour-makes-rail-nationalisation-one-of-main-priorities-of-new-parliament-4707105
Jago Hazzard: British Rail is back
https://youtu.be/P30Spad-mXk?si=YQhZGSwxoBCmyHal
dv said:
Labour makes rail nationalisation key priority
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/kings-speech-labour-makes-rail-nationalisation-one-of-main-priorities-of-new-parliament-4707105
Jago Hazzard: British Rail is back
https://youtu.be/P30Spad-mXk?si=YQhZGSwxoBCmyHal
Hopefully for good this time.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Labour makes rail nationalisation key priority
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/kings-speech-labour-makes-rail-nationalisation-one-of-main-priorities-of-new-parliament-4707105
Jago Hazzard: British Rail is back
https://youtu.be/P30Spad-mXk?si=YQhZGSwxoBCmyHal
Hopefully for good this time.
…and finally exterminate the last lingering whiffs of the dead smell of Thatcherism.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Labour makes rail nationalisation key priority
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/kings-speech-labour-makes-rail-nationalisation-one-of-main-priorities-of-new-parliament-4707105
Jago Hazzard: British Rail is back
https://youtu.be/P30Spad-mXk?si=YQhZGSwxoBCmyHal
Hopefully for good this time.
…and finally exterminate the last lingering whiffs of the dead smell of Thatcherism.
well at least someone / somepm came prepared for precipitous decline

Has the rain at 10 Downing Street moved to Paris?
First Some Good (¿) News

All Right Now The Fun Bits



And The Best Bit


SCIENCE said:
Far canal!
He was born in Cardiff, Wales. His parents are originally from Rwanda. They have been living in Southport, the English seaside town where the attacks took place. He has attended British schools his whole life, according to news reports, and enjoyed acting and judo.

How Jennie the golden retriever is taking Westminster by storm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsZZu9t6g_Q
sarahs mum said:
How Jennie the golden retriever is taking Westminster by stormhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsZZu9t6g_Q
:)
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
How Jennie the golden retriever is taking Westminster by stormhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsZZu9t6g_Q
:)
When i worked with a child and youth mental health service, one of the psychologists was blind. She had a golden retriever guide dog.
Some kids would come in, with parents or guardians, and the kid clearly did not want to be there, and was obviously going to be unco-operative.
But,then, the lady would appear with her guide dog, and the kid would melt. Smile, relax, open up.
That dog was the service’s greatest asset.



SCIENCE said:
There should be newspaper cops that go around busting the bullshit, and banging on editors doors with pitchforks and torches.
Kingy said:
SCIENCE said:
There should be newspaper cops that go around busting the bullshit, and banging on editors doors with pitchforks and torches.
It’s the mainstream British press mate. They are feral. bullshit liars. Stop paying attention to anything they publish.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
SCIENCE said:
There should be newspaper cops that go around busting the bullshit, and banging on editors doors with pitchforks and torches.
It’s the mainstream British press mate. They are feral. bullshit liars. Stop paying attention to anything they publish.
I already know that the daily fail just publish lies and misinformation, but after some recent research on my part(5 minutes ago), I have only just discovered that it isn’t owned by poopert turdoch. I just assumed that such utter trash went together.
Apparently “Jonathan Harold Esmond Vere Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere” can be now filed under the bed, in the bedpan with poopert.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
SCIENCE said:
There should be newspaper cops that go around busting the bullshit, and banging on editors doors with pitchforks and torches.
It’s the mainstream British press mate. They are feral. bullshit liars. Stop paying attention to anything they publish.
Turns out British natives are those mostly to cause public unrest. They’ll have to send them to Rwanda.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Turns out British natives are those mostly to cause public unrest. They’ll have to send them to Rwanda.
The place seems to be falling apart. I don’t recall such levels of rioting over immigration previously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wk3F8jx3LQ
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Turns out British natives are those mostly to cause public unrest. They’ll have to send them to Rwanda.
The place seems to be falling apart. I don’t recall such levels of rioting over immigration previously.
Kind of unfortunate given that they now need immigrants like never before.
dv said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Turns out British natives are those mostly to cause public unrest. They’ll have to send them to Rwanda.
The place seems to be falling apart. I don’t recall such levels of rioting over immigration previously.
Kind of unfortunate given that they now need immigrants like never before.
Yes. Having given up easy migration for Europeans they now have to get immigrants from further abroad.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Turns out British natives are those mostly to cause public unrest. They’ll have to send them to Rwanda.
The place seems to be falling apart. I don’t recall such levels of rioting over immigration previously.
They’re a backward, ignorant people… never achieved anything ever really.

UK’s Far-Right Riots Foretell a Painful Reckoning
Keir Starmer needs to address the deeper causes of the unrest as well as punish the thugs doing the rioting.
5 August 2024 at 23:46 GMT+10
By Adrian Wooldridge
Adrian Wooldridge is the global business columnist for Bloomberg Opinion. A former writer at the Economist, he is author of “The Aristocracy of Talent: How Meritocracy Made the Modern World.”
Britain is recovering from a weekend of protests, riots and right-wing thuggery. Having enjoyed a month-long honeymoon in which he visited the Paris Olympics, hobnobbed with global leaders and announced an ambitious agenda, Prime Minister Keir Starmer is now trying to reassert not just public order but public confidence, delivering an address to the nation on Sunday and chairing an emergency Cobra meeting on Monday.
The scale of the rioting was shocking. In Rotherham, a crowd tried to burn down a hotel housing asylum seekers. In Liverpool, rioters burned down a children’s library. In Middlesbrough, hooligans roamed through residential neighborhoods, breaking windows. Mosques were attacked, shops looted, cars set on fire. Balaclava-wearing thugs swathed themselves in Union flags or flags of Saint George, turned street furniture into makeshift weapons, and shouted, “we want our country back.”
The unrest began in Southport on July 29 when a man killed three young girls and injured several others at a Taylor Swift dance party, and angry protesters afterward hijacked a local vigil. Protests then spread rapidly — mostly in the north but also reaching some southern cities such as Portsmouth — propelled by false rumors on the internet that the perpetrator of the stabbings was a Muslim refugee (he is, in fact, the British-born son of parents from Rwanda) and exploited by far-right activists who are always spoiling for a fight.
Starmer has moved quickly to reassure minorities that they are safe and to warn “right-wing thugs” that they will be punished with the full force of the law. More than 400 were arrested over the weekend, and police will now use photographic evidence from body cameras and security footage to arrest hundreds more.
The prime minister brings unique expertise to all this, having been the director of public prosecutions during the last big riots in Britain in 2011, when the courts sat for 24 hours a day. But this time around, the state is more seriously stretched. In many places, the police were badly outnumbered by protesters: In Rotherham, for example, the police line temporarily broke, and rioters invaded the hotel. The prisons are full to overflowing and the courts clogged. If the riots die down, as seems likely, the government will be able to muddle through, albeit with the system under stress; if the riots continue, the capacity of the British state to perform its most basic duty will be severely tested.
Social media clearly bears some blame for fanning the flames of discontent. Elon Musk has not only allowed irresponsible people (including Russian-front organizations) to roam relatively freely on Twitter/X. He personally contributed to the conflagration by tweeting on Sunday that “civil war is inevitable.”
Far-right politicians have stirred the pot as well. Laurence Fox, a former actor and leader of the Reclaim Party, tweeted that “for decades British girls have been raped by immigrant barbarians” — a post that has been viewed more than 3 million times. Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, made inflammatory comments from Cyprus, where he is currently sunning himself. Many of the most hardcore protesters are thought to have links to the English Defence League, an organization that Robinson founded in 2009 and that has since adopted different names and identities. Police are worried by the size of the largely peaceful, if distasteful, protests that Robinson has succeeded in organizing in London over the past month before Southport but also by the fact that the organization seems to be putting down deep roots across the north and midlands.
Nigel Farage played his usual game of voicing the concerns of the rioters without actually endorsing them, suggesting that the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020 had left the impression of “two-tier policing.” This time, he may be in danger of being burnt by the fire that he likes to play with: Priti Patel, a right-wing Tory and former home secretary, went out of her way to condemn his “two-tier” remark. There is a possibility that Farage’s Party, Reform, will suffer the same fate as Germany’s AfD, which saw its popularity plummet after it was revealed that its leaders had met in private to discuss mass deportations.
What about the deeper causes of the riots? Traditionally, it’s the left that raises the question of the “social causes” of popular protests and then struggles to rebut the right-wing assertion that trying to explain criminal behavior is tantamount to justifying it. This time it’s the other way round: Starmer and his home secretary, Yvette Cooper, have insisted that there is no excuse for thuggery. So far, they’ve limited the job of explaining it to looking at the role of social media in spreading contagions.
This sort of argument is as counterproductive when it comes from the left as if it comes from the right. There is clearly a hardcore of thugs who are committed to breaking the law either because they are far-right wing ideologues (some had swastika tattoos and made Hitler salutes) or because they like violence or a mixture of the two. There are also a number of young people who were looking for entertainment on the school holidays.
But the protesters also included average people who feel that the British state has failed them. They also have some legitimate questions to ask: Why does immigration keep going up when successive governments have promised to reduce it? Why do refugees keep arriving in boats only to be housed in hotels? And why has the “levelling up” agenda that the last government promised not produced an improvement in opportunities in the north? It is counterproductive to lump such people in with far-right thugs or to dismiss their worries as nothing more than the product of extremist propaganda rather than an expression of real angst about the state of the nation.
Sometimes these complaints can be addressed with facts. The police were obliged to use riot shields in Rotherham not because they are applying “double standards” but because the protesters were trying to burn down a hotel. In the year ending March 2023, the police carried out 24.5 stop-and-searches for every 1,000 Black people compared with 5.9 for every 1,000 Whites, hardly a sign that they have imbibed BLM ideology.
But, more generally, the complaints need to be addressed by reforming institutions and improving public policy. Less than half the British now have confidence in their local police forces, down from 63% ten years ago. The continuing flow of asylum seekers across the channel is straining national resources as well as people’s patience. Riots will undoubtedly recur if the government can’t reduce the flow of refugees and speed up the process for dealing with them. Though some people have called for Parliament to be recalled, this would be a pointless gesture, as Britain needs swift action, executed by ministers, rather than more talk.
It’s also up to Starmer to do more to address the sense of hopelessness in many working-class communities, particularly in the north, which feel marginalized by economic and social change and then ignored by the British state. Let’s be tough on riots, by all means, but also let’s be tough on their causes.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-08-05/uk-far-right-riots-painful-reckoning-awaits-keir-starmer-and-britain?
so civil war really is inevitable
Witty Rejoinder said:
UK’s Far-Right Riots Foretell a Painful Reckoning
Keir Starmer needs to address the deeper causes of the unrest as well as punish the thugs doing the rioting.5 August 2024 at 23:46 GMT+10
By Adrian Wooldridge
Adrian Wooldridge is the global business columnist for Bloomberg Opinion. A former writer at the Economist, he is author of “The Aristocracy of Talent: How Meritocracy Made the Modern World.”
Britain is recovering from a weekend of protests, riots and right-wing thuggery. Having enjoyed a month-long honeymoon in which he visited the Paris Olympics, hobnobbed with global leaders and announced an ambitious agenda, Prime Minister Keir Starmer is now trying to reassert not just public order but public confidence, delivering an address to the nation on Sunday and chairing an emergency Cobra meeting on Monday…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-08-05/uk-far-right-riots-painful-reckoning-awaits-keir-starmer-and-britain?

JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
UK’s Far-Right Riots Foretell a Painful Reckoning
Keir Starmer needs to address the deeper causes of the unrest as well as punish the thugs doing the rioting.5 August 2024 at 23:46 GMT+10
By Adrian Wooldridge
Adrian Wooldridge is the global business columnist for Bloomberg Opinion. A former writer at the Economist, he is author of “The Aristocracy of Talent: How Meritocracy Made the Modern World.”
Britain is recovering from a weekend of protests, riots and right-wing thuggery. Having enjoyed a month-long honeymoon in which he visited the Paris Olympics, hobnobbed with global leaders and announced an ambitious agenda, Prime Minister Keir Starmer is now trying to reassert not just public order but public confidence, delivering an address to the nation on Sunday and chairing an emergency Cobra meeting on Monday…
fucking hell, need more opium to calm the farm
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
UK’s Far-Right Riots Foretell a Painful Reckoning
Keir Starmer needs to address the deeper causes of the unrest as well as punish the thugs doing the rioting.5 August 2024 at 23:46 GMT+10
By Adrian Wooldridge
Adrian Wooldridge is the global business columnist for Bloomberg Opinion. A former writer at the Economist, he is author of “The Aristocracy of Talent: How Meritocracy Made the Modern World.”
Britain is recovering from a weekend of protests, riots and right-wing thuggery. Having enjoyed a month-long honeymoon in which he visited the Paris Olympics, hobnobbed with global leaders and announced an ambitious agenda, Prime Minister Keir Starmer is now trying to reassert not just public order but public confidence, delivering an address to the nation on Sunday and chairing an emergency Cobra meeting on Monday…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-08-05/uk-far-right-riots-painful-reckoning-awaits-keir-starmer-and-britain?

Cymek said:
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
UK’s Far-Right Riots Foretell a Painful Reckoning
Keir Starmer needs to address the deeper causes of the unrest as well as punish the thugs doing the rioting.5 August 2024 at 23:46 GMT+10
By Adrian Wooldridge
Adrian Wooldridge is the global business columnist for Bloomberg Opinion. A former writer at the Economist, he is author of “The Aristocracy of Talent: How Meritocracy Made the Modern World.”
Britain is recovering from a weekend of protests, riots and right-wing thuggery. Having enjoyed a month-long honeymoon in which he visited the Paris Olympics, hobnobbed with global leaders and announced an ambitious agenda, Prime Minister Keir Starmer is now trying to reassert not just public order but public confidence, delivering an address to the nation on Sunday and chairing an emergency Cobra meeting on Monday…
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-08-05/uk-far-right-riots-painful-reckoning-awaits-keir-starmer-and-britain?
Back to normal then?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
JudgeMental said:
Back to normal then?
The chap will sort it, he’s already called a meeting, no mucking around
Oh that’s right this is the

UN, the same organisation with an agency that employed 9 out of 30,000 staff who may have been involved in the October 7 attack on Israel, the organisation that must be a terrorist organisation.

Why Do Victim-Players Like To Wear Black Integuments Out In Public ¿ Don’t They Know That Boys Will Be Boys ¿

So does he mean to call them very fine people on both sides¿
Agreement has nearly been finalised for Glasgow to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games.
Glasgow is in a good position to do this, having hosted in 2014.
This would a “re-imagined”’ low-budget games, with no significant funds coming from any tier of government, and instead coming from ticket sales, advertising, and the Games foundation itself. The total cost is expected to be 150 million pounds, of which 100 million pounds would come from the foundation.
No new facilities would be built: those sports that cannot be handled by existing facilities would be dropped. It is expected there will be 10 to 13 sports, compared to the 19 at the 2022 Games.There will also be no new accommodation built. Competitors and officials would be accommodated at vacant student accommodation or barracks. This might well mean there will be fewer competitors than in recent years.
dv said:
Agreement has nearly been finalised for Glasgow to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games.Glasgow is in a good position to do this, having hosted in 2014.
This would a “re-imagined”’ low-budget games, with no significant funds coming from any tier of government, and instead coming from ticket sales, advertising, and the Games foundation itself. The total cost is expected to be 150 million pounds, of which 100 million pounds would come from the foundation.
No new facilities would be built: those sports that cannot be handled by existing facilities would be dropped. It is expected there will be 10 to 13 sports, compared to the 19 at the 2022 Games.There will also be no new accommodation built. Competitors and officials would be accommodated at vacant student accommodation or barracks. This might well mean there will be fewer competitors than in recent years.
the scots are renowned for their tight fistedness.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Agreement has nearly been finalised for Glasgow to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games.Glasgow is in a good position to do this, having hosted in 2014.
This would a “re-imagined”’ low-budget games, with no significant funds coming from any tier of government, and instead coming from ticket sales, advertising, and the Games foundation itself. The total cost is expected to be 150 million pounds, of which 100 million pounds would come from the foundation.
No new facilities would be built: those sports that cannot be handled by existing facilities would be dropped. It is expected there will be 10 to 13 sports, compared to the 19 at the 2022 Games.There will also be no new accommodation built. Competitors and officials would be accommodated at vacant student accommodation or barracks. This might well mean there will be fewer competitors than in recent years.
the scots are renowned for their tight fistedness.
For their care with money.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Agreement has nearly been finalised for Glasgow to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games.Glasgow is in a good position to do this, having hosted in 2014.
This would a “re-imagined”’ low-budget games, with no significant funds coming from any tier of government, and instead coming from ticket sales, advertising, and the Games foundation itself. The total cost is expected to be 150 million pounds, of which 100 million pounds would come from the foundation.
No new facilities would be built: those sports that cannot be handled by existing facilities would be dropped. It is expected there will be 10 to 13 sports, compared to the 19 at the 2022 Games.There will also be no new accommodation built. Competitors and officials would be accommodated at vacant student accommodation or barracks. This might well mean there will be fewer competitors than in recent years.
the scots are renowned for their tight fistedness.
For their care with money.
generosity.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Agreement has nearly been finalised for Glasgow to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games.Glasgow is in a good position to do this, having hosted in 2014.
This would a “re-imagined”’ low-budget games, with no significant funds coming from any tier of government, and instead coming from ticket sales, advertising, and the Games foundation itself. The total cost is expected to be 150 million pounds, of which 100 million pounds would come from the foundation.
No new facilities would be built: those sports that cannot be handled by existing facilities would be dropped. It is expected there will be 10 to 13 sports, compared to the 19 at the 2022 Games.There will also be no new accommodation built. Competitors and officials would be accommodated at vacant student accommodation or barracks. This might well mean there will be fewer competitors than in recent years.
the scots are renowned for their tight fistedness.
For their care with money.
I guess so.
:-)
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Agreement has nearly been finalised for Glasgow to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games.Glasgow is in a good position to do this, having hosted in 2014.
This would a “re-imagined”’ low-budget games, with no significant funds coming from any tier of government, and instead coming from ticket sales, advertising, and the Games foundation itself. The total cost is expected to be 150 million pounds, of which 100 million pounds would come from the foundation.
No new facilities would be built: those sports that cannot be handled by existing facilities would be dropped. It is expected there will be 10 to 13 sports, compared to the 19 at the 2022 Games.There will also be no new accommodation built. Competitors and officials would be accommodated at vacant student accommodation or barracks. This might well mean there will be fewer competitors than in recent years.
the scots are renowned for their tight fistedness.
It’s rumoured that copper wire was invented by two Scotsmen fighting over a penny.
dv said:
Agreement has nearly been finalised for Glasgow to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games.Glasgow is in a good position to do this, having hosted in 2014.
This would a “re-imagined”’ low-budget games, with no significant funds coming from any tier of government, and instead coming from ticket sales, advertising, and the Games foundation itself. The total cost is expected to be 150 million pounds, of which 100 million pounds would come from the foundation.
No new facilities would be built: those sports that cannot be handled by existing facilities would be dropped. It is expected there will be 10 to 13 sports, compared to the 19 at the 2022 Games.There will also be no new accommodation built. Competitors and officials would be accommodated at vacant student accommodation or barracks. This might well mean there will be fewer competitors than in recent years.
Politically, that would be less acceptable.
Politicians like to be able to associate themselves with having secured the ‘honour’ of hosting a Games (Olympic, Commonwealth, whatever).
They also enjoy having a big project which is presumed to have widespread, multilateral, and bipartisan support, on which they can spend lavishly, and pork-barrel to an extent such as few other opportunties would allow.
And they like an opportunity to enact extraordinary measures which can ride rough over existing limitations, so that ‘nothing will stand in the way of a successful Games’. It’s fun to be a ‘Games czar’, or to be the person who appointed and directs such a person.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Agreement has nearly been finalised for Glasgow to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games.Glasgow is in a good position to do this, having hosted in 2014.
This would a “re-imagined”’ low-budget games, with no significant funds coming from any tier of government, and instead coming from ticket sales, advertising, and the Games foundation itself. The total cost is expected to be 150 million pounds, of which 100 million pounds would come from the foundation.
No new facilities would be built: those sports that cannot be handled by existing facilities would be dropped. It is expected there will be 10 to 13 sports, compared to the 19 at the 2022 Games.There will also be no new accommodation built. Competitors and officials would be accommodated at vacant student accommodation or barracks. This might well mean there will be fewer competitors than in recent years.
Politically, that would be less acceptable.
Politicians like to be able to associate themselves with having secured the ‘honour’ of hosting a Games (Olympic, Commonwealth, whatever).
They also enjoy having a big project which is presumed to have widespread, multilateral, and bipartisan support, on which they can spend lavishly, and pork-barrel to an extent such as few other opportunties would allow.
And they like an opportunity to enact extraordinary measures which can ride rough over existing limitations, so that ‘nothing will stand in the way of a successful Games’. It’s fun to be a ‘Games czar’, or to be the person who appointed and directs such a person.
Oh well, maybe they can brag about their frugality.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Agreement has nearly been finalised for Glasgow to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games.Glasgow is in a good position to do this, having hosted in 2014.
This would a “re-imagined”’ low-budget games, with no significant funds coming from any tier of government, and instead coming from ticket sales, advertising, and the Games foundation itself. The total cost is expected to be 150 million pounds, of which 100 million pounds would come from the foundation.
No new facilities would be built: those sports that cannot be handled by existing facilities would be dropped. It is expected there will be 10 to 13 sports, compared to the 19 at the 2022 Games.There will also be no new accommodation built. Competitors and officials would be accommodated at vacant student accommodation or barracks. This might well mean there will be fewer competitors than in recent years.
Politically, that would be less acceptable.
Politicians like to be able to associate themselves with having secured the ‘honour’ of hosting a Games (Olympic, Commonwealth, whatever).
They also enjoy having a big project which is presumed to have widespread, multilateral, and bipartisan support, on which they can spend lavishly, and pork-barrel to an extent such as few other opportunties would allow.
And they like an opportunity to enact extraordinary measures which can ride rough over existing limitations, so that ‘nothing will stand in the way of a successful Games’. It’s fun to be a ‘Games czar’, or to be the person who appointed and directs such a person.
Oh well, maybe they can brag about their frugality.
‘There’s many a slip ‘twixt the cup and the lip’ is an old saying.
It may be an honest intention of those bidding for the Games to run an ‘economy’ event.
It may also be a tactic to demonstrate that, in a time where there’s increasing reluctance to foot the bill for such circuses, they can realistically provide avenue.
.
In either case, once the country, city, and Games organisation are committed to it, then parameters are open to change. Projects can be initiated, put under way, and then budgets can ‘blow out’.
Appeals can then be made to e.g. Westminster to cough up the neccesary, for the sake of ‘national honour’.
Expect to see similar for Brisbane 2032, regardless of which party runs Qld between now and then.
Can’t belive i misspelt ‘necessary’ there.
Can’t belive i misspelt ‘necessary’ there.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Politically, that would be less acceptable.
Politicians like to be able to associate themselves with having secured the ‘honour’ of hosting a Games (Olympic, Commonwealth, whatever).
They also enjoy having a big project which is presumed to have widespread, multilateral, and bipartisan support, on which they can spend lavishly, and pork-barrel to an extent such as few other opportunties would allow.
And they like an opportunity to enact extraordinary measures which can ride rough over existing limitations, so that ‘nothing will stand in the way of a successful Games’. It’s fun to be a ‘Games czar’, or to be the person who appointed and directs such a person.
Oh well, maybe they can brag about their frugality.
‘There’s many a slip ‘twixt the cup and the lip’ is an old saying.
It may be an honest intention of those bidding for the Games to run an ‘economy’ event.
It may also be a tactic to demonstrate that, in a time where there’s increasing reluctance to foot the bill for such circuses, they can realistically provide avenue.
.
In either case, once the country, city, and Games organisation are committed to it, then parameters are open to change. Projects can be initiated, put under way, and then budgets can ‘blow out’.Appeals can then be made to e.g. Westminster to cough up the neccesary, for the sake of ‘national honour’.
Expect to see similar for Brisbane 2032, regardless of which party runs Qld between now and then.
Right now the commitment from the UK, Scotland and local governments is zero pounds nowtpence. It is basically up to the Games foundation to make it work.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Oh well, maybe they can brag about their frugality.
‘There’s many a slip ‘twixt the cup and the lip’ is an old saying.
It may be an honest intention of those bidding for the Games to run an ‘economy’ event.
It may also be a tactic to demonstrate that, in a time where there’s increasing reluctance to foot the bill for such circuses, they can realistically provide avenue.
.
In either case, once the country, city, and Games organisation are committed to it, then parameters are open to change. Projects can be initiated, put under way, and then budgets can ‘blow out’.Appeals can then be made to e.g. Westminster to cough up the neccesary, for the sake of ‘national honour’.
Expect to see similar for Brisbane 2032, regardless of which party runs Qld between now and then.
Right now the commitment from the UK, Scotland and local governments is zero pounds nowtpence. It is basically up to the Games foundation to make it work.
We shall await developments.

SCIENCE said:
:))))
SCIENCE said:
Harsh but fair. But seriously, she should never show her face again or speak in public as any sort of authority or knowledge about economics or politics.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Harsh but fair. But seriously, she should never show her face again or speak in public as any sort of authority or knowledge about economics or politics.
—
And yet the tories elevated her first to minister and then their leader.
Says more about the tories.
so are we going to have more riots demanding expulsion of all Romanians too
19 shillings said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Harsh but fair. But seriously, she should never show her face again or speak in public as any sort of authority or knowledge about economics or politics.
—
And yet the tories elevated her first to minister and then their leader.
Says more about the tories.
Seriously… I think the Conservatives should just get in the bin, forever. The LibDems can act as the major right-of-centre party just fine.

dv said:
¿ref
dv said:
That’s bad, even by DM standards.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
That’s bad, even by DM standards.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Harmsworth,_4th_Viscount_Rothermere
19 shillings said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
That’s bad, even by DM standards.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Harmsworth,_4th_Viscount_Rothermere
Have to wonder what the harm’s worth
dv said:
19 shillings said:
The Rev Dodgson said:That’s bad, even by DM standards.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Harmsworth,_4th_Viscount_Rothermere
Have to wonder what the harm’s worth
A decent, hard working, young chap, worth every penny of his tax-free income, I’m sure.

Jesus Christ, BBC
dv said:
Jesus Christ, BBC
so apart from spelling issues they were correct and the reviewers accept that the gaoling did occur after the chanting we mean like contributors here if one source is framing images of first responders as if they are perpetrators then
dv said:
Jesus Christ, BBC

SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Jesus Christ, BBC
so apart from spelling issues they were correct and the reviewers accept that the gaoling did occur after the chanting we mean like contributors here if one source is framing images of first responders as if they are perpetrators then
There is a serious trend online falsely suggesting that people are being jailed in the UK for speech and the BBC’s use of the implied causative “after” is not helping.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
Jesus Christ, BBC
so apart from spelling issues they were correct and the reviewers accept that the gaoling did occur after the chanting we mean like contributors here if one source is framing images of first responders as if they are perpetrators then
There is a serious trend online falsely suggesting that people are being jailed in the UK for speech and the BBC’s use of the implied causative “after” is not helping.
“Man jailed 67 years after being born.”
Michael V said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
so apart from spelling issues they were correct and the reviewers accept that the gaoling did occur after the chanting we mean like contributors here if one source is framing images of first responders as if they are perpetrators then
There is a serious trend online falsely suggesting that people are being jailed in the UK for speech and the BBC’s use of the implied causative “after” is not helping.
“Man jailed 67 years after being born.”
we agree but yes rather than forcing the media to change their language it’ll probably be more effective to have people learn that distinguishing chronology from causality is part of critical thinking
Michael V said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:so apart from spelling issues they were correct and the reviewers accept that the gaoling did occur after the chanting we mean like contributors here if one source is framing images of first responders as if they are perpetrators then
There is a serious trend online falsely suggesting that people are being jailed in the UK for speech and the BBC’s use of the implied causative “after” is not helping.
“Man jailed 67 years after being born.”
Millions die after dv farts
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:There is a serious trend online falsely suggesting that people are being jailed in the UK for speech and the BBC’s use of the implied causative “after” is not helping.
“Man jailed 67 years after being born.”
Millions die after dv farts
LOL
:)
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:“Man jailed 67 years after being born.”
Millions die after dv farts
LOL
:)
Glad I don’t live in Perth.
.https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/courts/doncaster-chicken-catcher-is-jailed-for-two-years-and-eight-months-for-violent-disorder-at-a-hotel-housing-asylum-seekers-4752162
Doncaster chicken catcher is jailed for two years and eight months for violent disorder at a hotel housing asylum seekers
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Mmm my favourite, Chicken Catcher Tory.
dv said:
.https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/courts/doncaster-chicken-catcher-is-jailed-for-two-years-and-eight-months-for-violent-disorder-at-a-hotel-housing-asylum-seekers-4752162Doncaster chicken catcher is jailed for two years and eight months for violent disorder at a hotel housing asylum seekers
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Mmm my favourite, Chicken Catcher Tory.
:)
dv said:
.https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/courts/doncaster-chicken-catcher-is-jailed-for-two-years-and-eight-months-for-violent-disorder-at-a-hotel-housing-asylum-seekers-4752162Doncaster chicken catcher is jailed for two years and eight months for violent disorder at a hotel housing asylum seekers
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Mmm my favourite, Chicken Catcher Tory.
putting salt on their tail is the easiest method to catch a chook.
dv said:
.https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/courts/doncaster-chicken-catcher-is-jailed-for-two-years-and-eight-months-for-violent-disorder-at-a-hotel-housing-asylum-seekers-4752162Doncaster chicken catcher is jailed for two years and eight months for violent disorder at a hotel housing asylum seekers
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Mmm my favourite, Chicken Catcher Tory.
:)
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/liz-truss-in-denial-about-being-ousted-as-an-mp-as-she-refuses-to-hand-over-constituent-casework-381377/

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Congratulations on your new role at ‘The Economist’ PWM:
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Blighty newsletter: The return of the Good Chaps?
Sir Keir Strarmer walks through the Rose Garden at 10 Downing Street after giving a speech
Aug 27th 2024
Matthew Holehouse, our British political correspondent, ponders the significance of the Good Chaps’ return
A Labour MP observed to me recently that Sir Keir Starmer is the personification of the “Good Chaps” theory of the British state. This week’s newsletter will seek to set out why I think that is an intriguing argument.
The term “Good Chaps” was coined by Clive Priestley, a Thatcher aide, in an address to visiting American officials in 1985, but it was expanded and popularised in subsequent years by Peter Hennessy, the great constitutional historian (and a former journalist at The Economist). As Lord Hennessy puts it, Britain’s malleable constitutional order, with a lack of hard legal and judicial constraints on the executive, means it is particularly reliant on politicians to have an intuitive understanding of the unwritten rules. “They must know what is and is not appropriate behaviour and be able and willing voluntarily to remain within the limits, even if to do so might not serve their narrow personal or partisan gain,” he wrote recently. Interest in the term grew under the tenure of Boris Johnson, who disdained such rules.
Sir Keir brought the summer break to an end this morning with a speech that confirmed that Good Chappism would be a leitmotif of his premiership. He brought 50-odd members of the public to the rose garden of Downing Street—once the venue of Mr Johnson’s lockdown-busting parties, he noted, and now “back in your service”. In Sir Keir’s telling, the root of Britain’s structural problems can be traced to the moral failings of successive Tory administrations. Issues such as overcrowded prisons were ducked for the “politics of performance” and the “snake oil of populism”. “Process and procedure and doing things properly” mattered to him, he added, because their neglect is at the heart of public disaffection with the political class. Being a Good Chap is not everything, to misappropriate Paul Krugman, but in the long run, it is almost everything.
But the Priestley-Hennessy analysis was not so much an endorsement of Britain’s system of government as a critique. Its reliance on the good character of those who worked in it was a deficiency rather than a merit. For one thing, Priestley argued, the system relied on a self-sustaining caste: “terribly good chaps” tended to hire in their own image; imposing too much formalised management was “infra dig and bad form”. The implication of excessive cosiness is at the heart of questions Sir Keir faces as to why two (in my view, eminently qualified) wonks from Labour Together, a pro-Starmer campaign group, have been given senior civil-service jobs. Sir Keir has offered a rather Good Chappish defence to these criticisms, saying that the country’s problems meant he needed to move quickly to get the “right people in the right places”.
For Lord Hennessy, Mr Johnson’s tenure demonstrated that a system reliant on Good Chaps (and indeed, Good Chappesses) had had its day; he concluded that a written constitution that would constrain a freewheeling prime minister was needed. As I noted in an article last week, this was once a view with which Sir Keir would have sympathised—he wrote in 2003 that “there are scarcely any countervailing institutions in this country between the weight of the executive, and its coercive powers, and the lives of ordinary citizens.” Yet these days he is in little hurry to build such institutions. His focus is on making an inert state more responsive rather than on constraining its power.
Sir Keir has promised a new ethics commission, with the power to launch its own investigations into ministers, but he is yet to give a date for when it will be unveiled. There is scant appetite for more ambitious constitutional reforms; note how his proposed changes to the House of Lords are limited to removing the hereditary peers, which will do nothing to check the government. Two months in, it is wildly premature to start listing Sir Keir’s future regrets. But for a leader who has placed such a premium on character and ethics, declining to use this moment to create permanent constraints on future generations of Chaps, both Good and Bad, may be a missed opportunity.
https://www.economist.com/britain/2024/08/27/blighty-newsletter-the-return-of-the-good-chaps
Congratulations on your new role at ‘The Economist’ PWM:
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Blighty newsletter: The return of the Good Chaps?
Sir Keir Strarmer walks through the Rose Garden at 10 Downing Street after giving a speech
Aug 27th 2024
Matthew Holehouse, our British political correspondent, ponders the significance of the Good Chaps’ return
A Labour MP observed to me recently that Sir Keir Starmer is the personification of the “Good Chaps” theory of the British state. This week’s newsletter will seek to set out why I think that is an intriguing argument.
The term “Good Chaps” was coined by Clive Priestley, a Thatcher aide, in an address to visiting American officials in 1985, but it was expanded and popularised in subsequent years by Peter Hennessy, the great constitutional historian (and a former journalist at The Economist). As Lord Hennessy puts it, Britain’s malleable constitutional order, with a lack of hard legal and judicial constraints on the executive, means it is particularly reliant on politicians to have an intuitive understanding of the unwritten rules. “They must know what is and is not appropriate behaviour and be able and willing voluntarily to remain within the limits, even if to do so might not serve their narrow personal or partisan gain,” he wrote recently. Interest in the term grew under the tenure of Boris Johnson, who disdained such rules.
Sir Keir brought the summer break to an end this morning with a speech that confirmed that Good Chappism would be a leitmotif of his premiership. He brought 50-odd members of the public to the rose garden of Downing Street—once the venue of Mr Johnson’s lockdown-busting parties, he noted, and now “back in your service”. In Sir Keir’s telling, the root of Britain’s structural problems can be traced to the moral failings of successive Tory administrations. Issues such as overcrowded prisons were ducked for the “politics of performance” and the “snake oil of populism”. “Process and procedure and doing things properly” mattered to him, he added, because their neglect is at the heart of public disaffection with the political class. Being a Good Chap is not everything, to misappropriate Paul Krugman, but in the long run, it is almost everything.
But the Priestley-Hennessy analysis was not so much an endorsement of Britain’s system of government as a critique. Its reliance on the good character of those who worked in it was a deficiency rather than a merit. For one thing, Priestley argued, the system relied on a self-sustaining caste: “terribly good chaps” tended to hire in their own image; imposing too much formalised management was “infra dig and bad form”. The implication of excessive cosiness is at the heart of questions Sir Keir faces as to why two (in my view, eminently qualified) wonks from Labour Together, a pro-Starmer campaign group, have been given senior civil-service jobs. Sir Keir has offered a rather Good Chappish defence to these criticisms, saying that the country’s problems meant he needed to move quickly to get the “right people in the right places”.
For Lord Hennessy, Mr Johnson’s tenure demonstrated that a system reliant on Good Chaps (and indeed, Good Chappesses) had had its day; he concluded that a written constitution that would constrain a freewheeling prime minister was needed. As I noted in an article last week, this was once a view with which Sir Keir would have sympathised—he wrote in 2003 that “there are scarcely any countervailing institutions in this country between the weight of the executive, and its coercive powers, and the lives of ordinary citizens.” Yet these days he is in little hurry to build such institutions. His focus is on making an inert state more responsive rather than on constraining its power.
Sir Keir has promised a new ethics commission, with the power to launch its own investigations into ministers, but he is yet to give a date for when it will be unveiled. There is scant appetite for more ambitious constitutional reforms; note how his proposed changes to the House of Lords are limited to removing the hereditary peers, which will do nothing to check the government. Two months in, it is wildly premature to start listing Sir Keir’s future regrets. But for a leader who has placed such a premium on character and ethics, declining to use this moment to create permanent constraints on future generations of Chaps, both Good and Bad, may be a missed opportunity.
https://www.economist.com/britain/2024/08/27/blighty-newsletter-the-return-of-the-good-chaps
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“The wifi at No 10 must be really bad.
Despite a public spat with Elon Musk on his X social media platform, Sir Keir Starmer appears to have buried the hatchet between him and the tech tycoon as he took delivery of a Starlink internet system yesterday.
Starlink, owned by Mr Musk’s SpaceX rocket company, allows people anywhere in the world to connect to the internet via a system of 6,350 satellites. “
“Starlink, owned by Mr Musk’s SpaceX rocket company, allows people anywhere in the world to connect to the internet via a system of 6,350 satellites” right up to the moment when Mr Musk decides that he’s not that keen on them and/or their politics, and pulls the plug on them.
I think it is time to go to a system of high altitude drone pseudo-satellites that perform the same functions, and forget swarms in low earth orbit. Sooner or later there is going to be collisions or deliberate shooting up of said satellites resulting in a cloud of debris making that orbit unsafe.
See Told Yous All That Private Enterprise Always Do It Much Better Than Government Overreach
Wait but how can the people stand up against violation of the security of their free state by the overreaching oppressive government in the face of this infringement of their right to keep and bear bayonets¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-25/uk-knife-crime-new-laws-come-into-effect/104386818
SCIENCE said:
Wait but how can the people stand up against violation of the security of their free state by the overreaching oppressive government in the face of this infringement of their right to keep and bear bayonets¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-25/uk-knife-crime-new-laws-come-into-effect/104386818
It’s only a bayonet if it comes from the Bayonne region of France, otherwise it’s just a sparkling pointed implement attached to the muzzle used by peasants to stand up against violation of the security of their free state by the overreaching oppressive government in the face of this infringement of their right to keep and bear arms.

Fkn Tories, Saving The World Again
The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom is officially closing down on Monday, book-ending the nearly 150-year history of British coal power. The plan to decommission Ratcliffe-on-Soar station came after the then-Conservative government announced in 2015 that it intended to shut all UK coal-fired power stations by 2025 to reduce carbon emissions.
SCIENCE said:
Fkn Tories, Saving The World Again
The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom is officially closing down on Monday, book-ending the nearly 150-year history of British coal power. The plan to decommission Ratcliffe-on-Soar station came after the then-Conservative government announced in 2015 that it intended to shut all UK coal-fired power stations by 2025 to reduce carbon emissions.
Well they started it all. It is fitting that they start the end of it.
SCIENCE said:
Fkn Tories, Saving The World Again
The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom is officially closing down on Monday, book-ending the nearly 150-year history of British coal power. The plan to decommission Ratcliffe-on-Soar station came after the then-Conservative government announced in 2015 that it intended to shut all UK coal-fired power stations by 2025 to reduce carbon emissions.
Yeah but they have gruntled nuclear.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:Fkn Tories, Saving The World Again
The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom is officially closing down on Monday, book-ending the nearly 150-year history of British coal power. The plan to decommission Ratcliffe-on-Soar station came after the then-Conservative government announced in 2015 that it intended to shut all UK coal-fired power stations by 2025 to reduce carbon emissions.
Yeah but they have gruntled nuclear.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:Fkn Tories, Saving The World Again
The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom is officially closing down on Monday, book-ending the nearly 150-year history of British coal power. The plan to decommission Ratcliffe-on-Soar station came after the then-Conservative government announced in 2015 that it intended to shut all UK coal-fired power stations by 2025 to reduce carbon emissions.
Yeah but they have gruntled nuclear.
Dis gruntle or Dat gruntle?
Full of grunt gruntled.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:Fkn Tories, Saving The World Again
The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom is officially closing down on Monday, book-ending the nearly 150-year history of British coal power. The plan to decommission Ratcliffe-on-Soar station came after the then-Conservative government announced in 2015 that it intended to shut all UK coal-fired power stations by 2025 to reduce carbon emissions.
Yeah but they have gruntled nuclear.
Dis gruntle or Dat gruntle?
One or ‘tother.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:Fkn Tories, Saving The World Again
The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom is officially closing down on Monday, book-ending the nearly 150-year history of British coal power. The plan to decommission Ratcliffe-on-Soar station came after the then-Conservative government announced in 2015 that it intended to shut all UK coal-fired power stations by 2025 to reduce carbon emissions.
Yeah but they have gruntled nuclear.
Their nuclear output has been on decline in absolute terms. What they really did was ramp up renewables.

dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:Fkn Tories, Saving The World Again
The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom is officially closing down on Monday, book-ending the nearly 150-year history of British coal power. The plan to decommission Ratcliffe-on-Soar station came after the then-Conservative government announced in 2015 that it intended to shut all UK coal-fired power stations by 2025 to reduce carbon emissions.
Yeah but they have gruntled nuclear.
Their nuclear output has been on decline in absolute terms. What they really did was ramp up renewables.
Yes. This is what they did.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:
Fkn Tories, Saving The World Again
The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom is officially closing down on Monday, book-ending the nearly 150-year history of British coal power. The plan to decommission Ratcliffe-on-Soar station came after the then-Conservative government announced in 2015 that it intended to shut all UK coal-fired power stations by 2025 to reduce carbon emissions.
Yeah but they have gruntled nuclear.
Their nuclear output has been on decline in absolute terms. What they really did was ramp up renewables.
So it’s obvious, nuclear can grow and shrink to fill the need just as intended, unlike renewable which couldn’t possibly do that.
RCR

SCIENCE said:
RCR
I have mixed feelings about the power of the public service, and perhaps I’m a bit hypocritical because I like it when I like it and I don’t like it when I don’t like it.
When the National Party finally left office in Qld, the Beattie govt had to address unpaid wages cases, and happily found that senior public servants had set aside the unpaid amount in a separate fund long ago in anticipation of this eventuality.
Late in the days of the Tory govt in the UK the decision was made to curtail the high speed rail, so that it would end a bit north of Birmingham and continue to more northerly destination on conventional rail. This may or may not have been prudent govent the fiscal debacle of Brexit: the project could always be continued later in brighter days, presumably when they rejoin the EU. (Although if it were me I’d probably just keep building out indefinitely because demounting/remounting is so expensive but that’s by the by).
… except the real piece of idiocy was that they were going to release the land that had already been secured for the rights of way. This would needlessly add billions to the ultimate cost of continuing the project.
The Starmer govt discovered that the Civil Service had “slow rolled” that release, meaning that they still had all the options with regard to the future of the project.
…
dv said:
… they were going to release the land that had already been secured for the rights of way. This would needlessly add billions to the ultimate cost of continuing the project.
Oh, that was probably a jolly wheeze cooked up by the Tories so some of them or their mates could ‘invest’ in the land.
Put it up for sale, get ‘the right people’ to buy it, and just hold on to it until the project is resurrected, and voila! we just happen to have all this land which is absolutely perfect for a rail corridor, would you like to buy it from us at a fantastically high price?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
… they were going to release the land that had already been secured for the rights of way. This would needlessly add billions to the ultimate cost of continuing the project.
Oh, that was probably a jolly wheeze cooked up by the Tories so some of them or their mates could ‘invest’ in the land.
Put it up for sale, get ‘the right people’ to buy it, and just hold on to it until the project is resurrected, and voila! we just happen to have all this land which is absolutely perfect for a rail corridor, would you like to buy it from us at a fantastically high price?
^
From Quora:
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If the Princess of Wales indeed goes by “Catherine”, why do so many people insist on calling her “Kate”?
Ignorance, irreverence, familiarity, over-familiarity.
Her Royal Highness The Princess of Wales was born Catherine Elizabeth Middleton, and reportedly grew up being known primarily as:
Cathy
As many people do as they get older, Cathy met new people and acquired more nicknames, some of which are self-determined and some that are bestowed by others.
During Cathy’s time at university, her friends gave her a new nickname:
Kate
This is how she was known around the time she met William and his family.
This is also how she was known when the tabloids first started putting her name in print: “Kate Middleton”.
Later, when it seemed likely that William and Kate would marry and that she might be Queen one day, she reportedly asked all her friends to call her:
Catherine
She was supposed to be known as Catherine throughout this period, including after their engagement was announced and through to the wedding invitations and memorabilia released on the day of their wedding.
Old habits die hard, however, so Catherine’s husband, brother-in-law and sister-in-law apparently continue to refer to her as “Kate” privately, and sometimes publicly.
Further complicating matters, when William and Catherine married, she took on the feminine mirror of her husband’s titles: “Her Royal Highness Princess William, Duchess of Cambridge, Countess of Strathearn and Lady Carrickfergus”
At this point she should be called;
Her Royal Highness
The Duchess
Though the tabloids persisted with “Kate Middleton” and occasionally “Duchess Kate”.
Following the death of her grandmother-in-law, the Duchess’ husband inherited a bunch of titles and she very briefly became known as “The Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge”.
The next day, Prince William was created Prince of Wales, and the Duchess became “Her Royal Highness The Princess William, Princess of Wales and Countess of Chester, Duchess of Cornwall, Rothesay and Cambridge, Countess of Carrick and Strathearn, Baroness of Renfrew and Carrickfergus, Lady of the Isles and Princess of Scotland”.
At this point, instead of “The Duchess”, Her Royal Highness can be referred to as;
The Princess
She is not however “Princess Kate”, “Duchess Kate”, “Catherine”, “Cathy”, “Kate”, or “Miss Middleton”, or any other version that involves a name.
One day, her father-in-law will die, and if her husband is still alive at that point, and if they’re still married, she will be Queen:
Her Majesty
The Queen
And one day after that, if The Princess outlives her husband, she might finally officially be:
Queen Catherine
Only then will you be able to formally and officially call her by her name.
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Reminds me of Aboriginal naming traditions.
Witty Rejoinder said:
If the Princess of Wales indeed goes by “Catherine”, why do so many people insist on calling her “Kate”?
Ignorance, irreverence, familiarity, over-familiarity.
Probably pisses her right off. But I doubt she’d ever say so in public. You know, royal protocol and stuff where ya keep ya mouth shut on such matters.

dv said:
we mean islands are land masses
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
we mean islands are land masses
Maybe those people were thinking of the islets of Langerhans.
Looks like the Tory keadership ballot is down to Kemi Badenoch and Robert Generic.
dv said:
Looks like the Tory keadership ballot is down to Kemi Badenoch and Robert Generic.
They have to choose between a Bad Enoch and a generic?
Surely they must have someone better?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Looks like the Tory keadership ballot is down to Kemi Badenoch and Robert Generic.
They have to choose between a Bad Enoch and a generic?
Surely they must have someone better?
Well one of the chaps, Sir Keir Starmer is taken, but surely there must be other chaps.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Looks like the Tory keadership ballot is down to Kemi Badenoch and Robert Generic.
They have to choose between a Bad Enoch and a generic?
Surely they must have someone better?
Having now done my own research I see that it is quite unlikely that she is really a Bad Enoch, so apologies for that.
I also note that the generic guy is only a few months older than my youngest daughter, so he’s clearly not old enough for being PM,
Maybe shadow PM for 10 years or so would be adequate preparation.
Alex Salmond, former Scottish first minister, dies after reportedly collapsing while giving a speech
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-13/alex-salmond-former-scottish-first-minister-dies/104466470
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Did he forget to thank Beyonce?
fucking surely cocaine andor methamphetamine would work better

hey or just invest the same in preventative care oh damn
Hey calm down at least having stopped bashing your domestic partner is better than not having stopped … right ¿

Julie and John Macrae always dreamed of spending their twilight years sailing the world.
The couple had planned meticulously for retirement, investing in 60 buy-to-let properties in and around Colchester to supplement the pensions built up from their day jobs.
What Mr and Mrs Macrae didn’t anticipate was being forced to sell up their boat and go back to full-time working at the ages of 67 and 77 respectively.
The Macraes are among dozens of pensioners who have written in to The Telegraph to express their concern over Chancellor Rachel Reeves’s maiden Budget.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/labour-fear-god-everyone-pensioners-dreading-reeves-budget/
Must be mad working for the Tele.
SCIENCE said:
Communists Take Over Botswana
Mr Boko, who has not yet spoken publicly since the result, had campaigned on issues such as raising the minimum wage and increasing social grants.
Communists Take Over UK

Prince Andrew ‘plans to stay in Royal Lodge’ despite King Charles ‘cutting him off’ financially
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-andrew-plans-stay-royal-34024979
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dv said:
Prince Andrew ‘plans to stay in Royal Lodge’ despite King Charles ‘cutting him off’ financially
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-andrew-plans-stay-royal-34024979b
So how’s he going to pay the rent?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Prince Andrew ‘plans to stay in Royal Lodge’ despite King Charles ‘cutting him off’ financially
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-andrew-plans-stay-royal-34024979b
So how’s he going to pay the rent?
OnlyFans.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Prince Andrew ‘plans to stay in Royal Lodge’ despite King Charles ‘cutting him off’ financially
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-andrew-plans-stay-royal-34024979b
So how’s he going to pay the rent?
OnlyFans.
OIC.
But he doesn’t sweat?
dv said:
Prince Andrew ‘plans to stay in Royal Lodge’ despite King Charles ‘cutting him off’ financially
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-andrew-plans-stay-royal-34024979b
That’s not the only thing that needs to be cut off.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:So how’s he going to pay the rent?
OnlyFans.
OIC.
But he doesn’t sweat?
What is this, the crucible¿

I mean I suppose he has to represent his interests but I think it is a bit bold to assume that Labour is finished because of this issue
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, has resigned following criticism of his handling of allegations surrounding a child abuser associated with Church of England.

The Mail descends further into self-parody
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The Mail descends further into self-parody
Hey-Zeus! “Fancy woke fillings” for sandwiches. wtf.
Michael V said:
dv said:
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The Mail descends further into self-parody
Hey-Zeus! “Fancy woke fillings” for sandwiches. wtf.
In the article, it’s just things like avocado.
dv said:
Michael V said:
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The Mail descends further into self-parody
Hey-Zeus! “Fancy woke fillings” for sandwiches. wtf.
In the article, it’s just things like avocado.
The notion of “woke fillings” is completely beyond me. They think I’m eating lesbians now?
Avocado is not “woke”. Maybe thy think my home-made Vietnamese pate is “woke”. I wonder what they think of Banh Mi.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:
Hey-Zeus! “Fancy woke fillings” for sandwiches. wtf.
In the article, it’s just things like avocado.
The notion of “woke fillings” is completely beyond me. They think I’m eating lesbians now?
Avocado is not “woke”. Maybe thy think my home-made Vietnamese pate is “woke”. I wonder what they think of Banh Mi.
yous forget that smashed avocado is the foremost reason that young people today can’t afford home ownership
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
In the article, it’s just things like avocado.
The notion of “woke fillings” is completely beyond me. They think I’m eating lesbians now?
Avocado is not “woke”. Maybe thy think my home-made Vietnamese pate is “woke”. I wonder what they think of Banh Mi.
yous forget that smashed avocado is the foremost reason that young people today can’t afford home ownership
Not any more. The onion-muncher is gone.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
In the article, it’s just things like avocado.
The notion of “woke fillings” is completely beyond me. They think I’m eating lesbians now?
Avocado is not “woke”. Maybe thy think my home-made Vietnamese pate is “woke”. I wonder what they think of Banh Mi.
yous forget that smashed avocado is the foremost reason that young people today can’t afford home ownership
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Hey-Zeus! “Fancy woke fillings” for sandwiches. wtf.
In the article, it’s just things like avocado.
The notion of “woke fillings” is completely beyond me. They think I’m eating lesbians now?
Avocado is not “woke”. Maybe thy think my home-made Vietnamese pate is “woke”. I wonder what they think of Banh Mi.
Agreed. Food can’t be woke. It’s just food.. however the perception of wokeness is proportional to how fast the cost for that food rose after someone declared it a superfood, or put it in an alt, cat mascotted, boho decorated coffee shop. These places that have a corner to sell local crafts and bee wax lip gloss have the highest influence.

Another failed sob story from the Tele
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Another failed sob story from the Tele
holy shit
Local transport authorities across England will be able to run and control bus services under a Labour overhaul designed to “save vital routes”, parliament will hear on Monday.
The transport secretary, Louise Haigh, said the “bus revolution” would empower local communities as the government prepares formally to announce measures to make services more reliable.
Buses in England outside London were privatised and deregulated by law in the 1980s, before limited powers were given to metro mayors as part of devolution, allowing them to set routes and timetables. A statutory instrument will be laid before parliament on Monday to extend the same rights throughout England.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/09/labour-to-give-english-local-authorities-power-to-run-bus-services
Finally undoes one of the dafter pieces of Thatcher’s legacy.
‘We were horrified’: parents heartbroken as baby girl registered as male
Parents told Nottinghamshire registrar’s error on birth certificate cannot be changed
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/19/baby-girl-registered-wrong-sex-mansfield-registration-office
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perhaps if they took out an ad saying that unless it was changed, they commence transitioning the child…
sarahs mum said:
‘We were horrified’: parents heartbroken as baby girl registered as male
Parents told Nottinghamshire registrar’s error on birth certificate cannot be changed——
perhaps if they took out an ad saying that unless it was changed, they commence transitioning the child…
Just get a forgery, can’t be too hard to find the service.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/175933802257880
The New European’s UK Shit List for 2024. Mostly the usual toxic right-wingers but there’s a token lefty, the shape-shifting Owen Jones.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/the-shit-list-2024/
Neil Oliver’s on it too. I didn’t realise quite how wacko he’s become:
34 Neil Oliver
The former presenter of BBC travelogue show Coast has become a GB News conspiracy theorist whom the channel had to move online to stop a raft of Ofcom complaints and potential fines. Glowering into the camera, Oliver delivers pseudo-nationalist monologues – “The nations of the west are being made to forget who they are, who they were, and that’s no accident” – while peddling anti-vax nonsense. Earlier this year, he was investigated by Ofcom for telling viewers that Covid jabs had caused “turbo cancer”. In a video banned by YouTube, Oliver also interviewed the conspiracy theorist Whitney Webb, who told him that the US and US establishments were being helped to run a “crime syndicate” that was “essentially a meeting of the Italian mafia and the Jewish mob”. He also has appeared several times with his fellow shitlister and completely normal man with a beard, Russell Brand.
Bubblecar said:
The New European’s UK Shit List for 2024. Mostly the usual toxic right-wingers but there’s a token lefty, the shape-shifting Owen Jones.https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/the-shit-list-2024/
Neil Oliver’s on it too. I didn’t realise quite how wacko he’s become:
34 Neil Oliver
The former presenter of BBC travelogue show Coast has become a GB News conspiracy theorist whom the channel had to move online to stop a raft of Ofcom complaints and potential fines. Glowering into the camera, Oliver delivers pseudo-nationalist monologues – “The nations of the west are being made to forget who they are, who they were, and that’s no accident” – while peddling anti-vax nonsense. Earlier this year, he was investigated by Ofcom for telling viewers that Covid jabs had caused “turbo cancer”. In a video banned by YouTube, Oliver also interviewed the conspiracy theorist Whitney Webb, who told him that the US and US establishments were being helped to run a “crime syndicate” that was “essentially a meeting of the Italian mafia and the Jewish mob”. He also has appeared several times with his fellow shitlister and completely normal man with a beard, Russell Brand.
I realised how whacko.
The complete Shit List, for those who don’t want to register:
The Shit List 2024
The sneaky, the snobbish and the snide. The spiteful, the shameless and the downright sinister. They are all shits – and all here in the New European’s annual rundown of 50 people the UK could definitely do without
50 Jacob Rees-Mogg
An up-and-down year for the fake aristo who led the fruitless hunt for Brexit opportunities and believes that abortion is “morally indefensible”. The people of Somerset voted him out at the last election, but Rees-Mogg seems to have learned little from his defenestration, and was last seen claiming £1,152 from the public purse for “relocation of paintings etc from parliament” to his home. In addition to a podcast, a blog and his GB News show – on which he was seen recently wearing a MAGA baseball cap – he is starring in reality TV show Meet the Rees-Moggs on Discovery+. It risks a revival of one of the most hapless political careers in recent history – yet, thanks to his his support of Brexit, one of the most damaging.
49 Julia Hartley-Brewer
“Genuinely gutted not to have made it on to the New European’s The Shit List 2023”, Hartley-Brewer tweeted last year. Her interview with Palestinian MP Mustafa Barghouti on January 3 seemed like a quickfire attempt to put things right, with Hartley-Brewer talking over her subject, looking at her watch, putting her head in her hands and then telling him “maybe you’re not used to women talking, I don’t know, but I’d like to finish the sentence” and “sorry to have been a woman speaking to you but there you are”. Toothless regulator Ofcom declined to take further action, despite admitting that many of the 17,000-plus complaints considered that Hartley-Brewer’s comments were “motivated by Dr Barghouti’s religion or ethnicity”.
48 Peter Hitchens
When the contrarian columnist Peter Hitchens is not ranting about MI5 – a “Blairite police force”, apparently, led by a man who, in his view, spreads unjustified rumours of threats “which just so happen to justify his enormous budget” – he is explaining why we must get out of what he calls the “always unnecessary” Ukraine war. Hitchens, who must have forgotten about nerve agent attacks on the streets of Salisbury, recently told Daily Mail readers, “I am furious that we, who have no possible interest in this conflict, have been dragged into it.” But despite his view that the security service invents threats and that we shouldn’t be worried by Vladimir Putin, Hitchens still wants a beefed-up military. In a recent Mail piece headlined “We’d barely beat Legoland in a war”, he complained that “the Royal Navy is in its most pathetic state since the Dutch fleet sailed up the River Medway in 1667”. Which means that in “Hitchens Land”, the UK needs to be better prepared to meet threats, but is also over-prepared to meet threats, both at the same time.
47 Suella Braverman
“I’ve been branded mad, bad and dangerous by my own party,” moaned Braverman in the Telegraph last July, marking the first and last time in recent history that the Conservatives have been right about something.
46 Prince Andrew
If it were possible to create a visual representation of all that is wrong with Britain, then it would look something like Prince Andrew. The Duke of York has slid his way through life on an oily film of privilege and entitlement, leaving nothing in his wake but disgrace, disastrous interviews on Newsnight, and a multimillion-pound settlement with a woman who was trafficked by the notorious paedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Now he is refusing to leave his 30-room mansion, Royal Lodge, for the nearby Frogmore Cottage, which has a mere 10 bedrooms.
45 Ben Habib
Reform’s axed deputy leader has managed to become even more extreme since being dumped by his ex-chum Nigel Farage, telling Julia Hartley-Brewer that migrants arriving in Britain should immediately be handed “another dinghy into which to climb and then go back to France. If they choose to scupper that dinghy, then yes, they have to suffer the consequences of their actions.” When Hartley-Brewer asked if he would leave them to drown, Habib responded: “Absolutely, they cannot be infantalised to the point that we become hostage to fortune.”
44 Michael Ashcroft
Much like the Two Ronnies’ “Phantom Raspberry Blower of Old London Town”, Ashcroft lurks in the shadows of British politics, emerging occasionally to make a huge stink before scurrying back to his billionaire’s lair in Belize. His main weapon of choice is the scurrilous book, and this year’s effort was the Angela Rayner hatchet job Red Queen, a book so flimsy that even the Telegraph complained that it “prefers triviality to true intelligence”. It sparked weeks of dull stories about Rayner’s housing arrangements, which failed to capture the public imagination or turn the election for the Tories. It also triggered a slew of rumours about the love life of a “senior party figure” in Labour, still exciting the deluded today.
43 Mike Graham
“If Starmer wants the keys to No 10, he should drop net zero”, wrote the TalkTV host and Telegraph columnist in June, just before Keir Starmer picked up the keys to No 10 without dropping net zero. Graham has since declared that the PM will lose the next election if he betrays Brexit – surely an incentive for Labour to rejoin the EU and win in 2029. When not moaning about Starmer, the pundit recently opined that “clever and smug” Have I Got News For You is “not funny any more”. While this is untrue, HIGNFY is certainly not as funny as Graham’s assertion, made quite seriously to an environmental campaigner in October 2021, that it is possible to grow concrete.
42 Rishi Sunak
The temptation to feel sorry for Rishi Sunak should be resisted. Somewhere along the line the technocrat became captured by the nastiest end of his party, meaning he went into the election with a campaign based almost entirely on repeating the words “stop the boats”. Added to that, he pursued the very stupid policy of trying to deport migrants to Rwanda, a scheme that cost hundreds of millions of pounds and didn’t reduce the number of migrants crossing the Channel. He insisted that Britain should have a “deterrent” to put off the people getting into boats, overlooking the fact that there was already a pretty big deterrent – the very real possibility of drowning. Perhaps Sunak’s most valuable service to the nation was in showing that the ultra-rich are so removed from everyday life that they’re simply not suited for high office.
41 Dan Wootton
Too toxic for even GB News, he is now the compere of Dan Wootton Outspoken, a YouTube channel that in his words will “NOT be regulated by the Ofcommunist censors”. Recent guests include former PM Liz Truss, discussing conspiracy theories about the Southport killings, which Wootton calls “a cover-up of epic proportions”. In October he tweeted in response to a post by the Loose Women presenter Charlene White, posing with her three co-presenters. All four women in the photo were black. Wootton’s comment: “How Woke ITV does diversity”. To which White replied: “Bitterness is a very lonely colour, Dan.”
40 David Coote
In a year that saw the death of Kick It Out founder Herman Ouseley and the ongoing rollout of the Premier League’s No Room For Racism campaign, how depressing to see David Coote, one of England’s top referees, caught on camera calling former Liverpool manager Jürgen Klopp a “German cunt”, among other slurs. The football establishment has been quick to assure fans that Coote – also seen on video snorting a white powdered substance – is just an isolated case, but his actions call into question the integrity of the people running Britain’s favourite sport, especially at a time when VAR has put refereeing into sharper focus than ever before.
39 Matthew Goodwin
The once-respected academic is now a full-throated nationalist, to be found ranting on GB News about “extreme mass immigration” and making “British people safe and secure in their own countries”. Goodwin approves of Viktor Orbán’s Hungary – “No riots. No unrest. No drugs. And no mass immigration” – without noticing that no free press, no LGBT rights and ultimately no opposition is also on the cards there. He is also looking forward to “Trump 2”, which he has said on Twitter will normalise “deportations, reconfiguring the state, rooting out woke, reforming the broken elite consensus…” Lovely!
38 Quentin Letts
“I think the problem with writing for a paper like the Daily Mail is you become trapped in unkindness, but cannot see it,” wrote former Sun editor David Yelland after reading Quentin Letts’s sneering hatchet job “tribute” to the late John Prescott. He might be wrong – Letts seems to enjoy this sort of stuff, as witnessed by his unique take on Ed Davey’s moving speech about his family at the Lib Dems’ election launch (“one of the most emotively manipulative pieces of saccharine hucksterism I’ve had thrust down my gullet… Sir Ed wants us to feel sorry for him so he keeps talking about being a carer and having been orphaned as a teenager”).
37 Carole Malone
The ever-predictable newspaper columnist and TV pundit recently told GB News viewers that Rachel Reeves’s budget was “the worst in my lifetime”. But can her judgment really be trusted when two years ago she had assured Daily Express readers that Liz Truss’s disastrous mini-budget, which tanked the economy, had been “a vision that would make this country prosperous again” and that the only people who disagreed were “the armies of the Uniformed on social media” and “the jackals in Truss’s own party”? Malone is fond of calling anyone she dislikes an idiot, leading to this memorable tweet about David Lammy from August: “This is what happens when you have an idiot as foreign secret.”
36 Bloke from Right Said Fred
The two Fairbrass brothers had a couple of hits over 30 years ago, and we are still paying the price for it. An anti-vaxxer who contracted Covid, the Fairbrass who sings is now a staunch supporter of Vladimir Putin. In one of the most bizarre and unsettling scenes in recent British TV history, the boys appeared on Nigel Farage’s GB News show, set in what looked like a mocked-up pub, and performed an unplugged version of I’m Too Sexy for an audience of very confused-looking mostly grey-haired Farageists. The Freds also dismissively tweeted “phone boxes refurbed into defibrillators, what a time to be alive”, appearing to suggest that it is woke to seek treatment for a heart attack.
35 Rupert Lowe
The ruddy-cheeked ex-Southampton chairman turned Reform MP for Great Yarmouth is an anti net-zero campaigner who rails against “the cult of climate change”, but also is a director of heat pump company Alto Energy, a UK supplier of air and ground source heat pumps. Shortly after the general election, it called on the government to “prioritise investments in green technologies like heat pumps”, adding, “moving away from fossil fuel heating systems is crucial for achieving energy independence and net zero targets”. Lowe was humiliated on a recent episode of the BBC’s Politics Live, when his claim that Britain spends the third-most on health in Europe was immediately countered by a graph showing Britain trailing nine other European countries in per capita health spending. “Is this a BBC graph?” asked the floundering Lowe. It wasn’t.
34 Neil Oliver
The former presenter of BBC travelogue show Coast has become a GB News conspiracy theorist whom the channel had to move online to stop a raft of Ofcom complaints and potential fines. Glowering into the camera, Oliver delivers pseudo-nationalist monologues – “The nations of the west are being made to forget who they are, who they were, and that’s no accident” – while peddling anti-vax nonsense. Earlier this year, he was investigated by Ofcom for telling viewers that Covid jabs had caused “turbo cancer”. In a video banned by YouTube, Oliver also interviewed the conspiracy theorist Whitney Webb, who told him that the US and US establishments were being helped to run a “crime syndicate” that was “essentially a meeting of the Italian mafia and the Jewish mob”. He also has appeared several times with his fellow shitlister and completely normal man with a beard, Russell Brand.
33 Victoria Atkins
When The Who’s Pete Townshend wore a union flag jacket on stage in the mid-1960s, it defined mod. When David Bowie and Geri Halliwell respectively wore a union flag coat and union flag dress on the cover of 1997 album Earthling and at the 1997 Brits, it defined Cool Britannia. When shadow environment secretary Atkins wore a union flag jacket at the 2024 farmers’ protests it defined not just cringe but more importantly chutzpah, given how the Conservatives’ Brexit has laid waste to UK farming.
32 Alex Phillips
The former Brexit Party MEP and GB News presenter, now appearing on the zombie corpse of Rupert Murdoch’s TalkTV, is another one of those on the extreme right who seems to think Donald Trump’s victory is also a win for them. On November 6, Phillips took to X and declared: “You’ve had your time, Woke Globalists. The world is ours now”, a phrase that all Scarface fans will find eerily familiar. Always keen to blather on about the horrors of Britain’s growing crime rates, earlier in November she posted an interview on her own site with, er, Tommy Robinson, the notorious convicted street brawler, jailbird and founder of the English Defence League. Phillips trailed this as an “exclusive”.
31 Darren Grimes
The right wing provocateur, former Brexit campaigner and occasional GB News host has been part of a giant tantrum on the part of those who did not vote Labour in May, and is currently getting excited about a petition calling for a re-run of the general election, which has attracted 2.4m unchecked signatures (at time of going to press). Grimes naturally opposed a so-called “people’s vote” after Brexit and ridiculed a petition with 6m signatures calling for one. In the summer, Grimes tweeted out AI images of Keir Starmer in a pink hijab, asking “what will Britain look like after five years of Keir Starmer?” The secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain commented, with admirable restraint: “It is unclear how such an Islamophobic perspective from a prominent public face of GB News aligns with the broadcaster’s goal of being perceived as a respectable news outlet.”
30 Michelle Mone
After closing 2023 with ill-advised interviews to “clear her name”, it has been a quiet year for the life peer at the centre of the PPE scandal. That doesn’t mean the country or the National Crime Agency have forgotten. Some £75m in assets once controlled by Mone and her husband, Doug Barrowman, have been frozen, and a business empire that once included 12 companies has been reduced to a single business. But Britain still waits to hear the full details of what happened during the Covid pandemic, when Mone assured the government that she would most definitely not benefit from a vast deal being done by her husband to supply the health service with PPE (personal protective equipment). Five months later, £29m of profits from her husband’s firm were transferred into a trust in the Isle of Man from which Mone actually would benefit.
29 Douglas Murray
ETHNO-NATIONALIST OF THE YEAR AWARD 2024
The respectable face of ethno-nationalism in Britain, Murray is an enthusiastic promoter of white replacement theory, which holds that white western Europeans are being replaced by Muslims, a viciously nasty theory that he set out at length in The War on the West, a book as nuanced as its title suggests. A columnist for the Spectator, he was shamefully defended by the magazine’s now ex-editor Fraser Nelson after saying of Muslim pro-Gaza protesters: “If the army will not be sent in, then the public will have to go in, and the public will have to sort this out themselves and it’ll be very, very brutal.” Murray’s instinctive tendency towards self-aggrandisement means that – in his mind at least – he now stands as a heroic civilisational bulwark against the advancing forces of global evil. His forthcoming book, On Democracies and Death Cults, will, Murray says, give an account of “the people who step up to defend our societies to the people who want to destroy them”. The irony is that Murray’s brand of feverish, paranoiac nationalism has done more harm to Britain than any “death cult”.
28 Joey Barton
The former footballer, whose love of Nietzsche and Lucian Freud once saw him rewarded with a fawning profile in the Observer, continues his descent into misogyny and other forms of bigotry. Because Barton believes that “women shouldn’t be talking with any kind of authority on the men’s game”, he has compared England international turned pundit Eni Aluko to Rose West, Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot in a series of bullying tweets. He called Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink – then part of Gareth Southgate’s England set-up – a “token black coach” and had to pay Jeremy Vine £75,000 after calling him a “bike nonce” and a “pedo defender” on Twitter. Barton is now such an unpleasant extremist that he has been rewarded with a fawning profile in the Spectator, courtesy of the absurd Brendan O’Neill.
27 Dominic Cummings
Now that he’s out of politics, Dominic Cummings spends a lot of time on X/Twitter, making claims such as that Keir Starmer is “letting MURDERERS out of jail EARLY” to make room for people who say “he KNEW about the Al Qaeda (sic) links in SOUTHPORT”. That’s a reference to a plainly untrue conspiracy theory that Starmer once defended a member of the Southport killer’s family. It’s unnerving to think Cummings was once so influential. A shame that during his days in No 10 he didn’t do practical stuff such as building jails, but spent his time fighting civil servants and briefing about his political enemies to the press. An outcast for now, Cummings seems to sense some kind of vindication in the fact that Donald Trump has brought Elon Musk into his administration, recently tweeting that there is a “lot of chat about DOGE (Musk’s government cost-cutting unit) and resemblance to Vote Leave plans…” Does Musk even know, or care, who he is?
26 Laurence Fox
The former actor turned political provocateur Fox recently commented to the former BBC and LBC radio presenter Sangita Myska on X that: “You are not welcome in my country”. That post was reported to the police – of whom, Fox told his followers on X: “Buy yourself an axe, and greet the pigs at the door with it if they come knocking. The police are your enemy.” It’s an odd thing to say for a man who made his name playing a policeman on ITV. A little bit of self-hate creeping in there perhaps? It’s entirely understandable if so. “London is a dump,” Fox complained recently, calling the capital a “leftist shithole” before adding “thanks for all the diversity Sadiq Khan”. And as for Europe, Fox reckons that the entire continent is “committing suicide” after having “flung open our borders to a conquering religion”, and from the accompanying image, it is clear that he means Islam.
25 David Frost
Booze flogger turned pro-Brexit cakeist, Frost now parps away on the benches of the Lords, where he was installed by Boris Johnson as a permanent monument to the most disgraceful period in modern British politics. Supported Robert Jenrick to win the Tory leadership, which he didn’t. Is now convinced that Trump’s victory somehow also represents a victory for the British right. This, along with his calamitous stint as Britain’s Brexit negotiator, suggests that geopolitics is not his strong point.
24 James Dyson
James Dyson, the West Country inventor, called recent Labour changes to inheritance tax on agricultural land “spiteful”. “Make no mistake,” Dyson wrote in the Times, “the very fabric of our economy is being ripped apart. No business can survive Reeves’s 20% tax grab. It will be the death of entrepreneurship.” It is surely coincidental that Dyson just happens to own hundreds of millions of pounds worth of land, having decided to start buying up farmland in late middle age, around the time when inheritance tax might start to play on a billionaire’s mind. Dyson was also a high-profile Brexiter who advised the government to pursue a hard-Brexit strategy, saying that negotiations with the EU were heading nowhere and that Britain “should just walk away and they will come to us”. Fortunately no one listened to him. After Brexit, Dyson promptly moved a substantial part of his operation to the far east.
23 David Black
Black joined the UK water regulator Ofwat in 2012, became chief regulation officer, and was made CEO in 2021. In the course of a career spent overseeing the nation’s water companies, our rivers and coastal waters have been inundated with shit. Formerly an adviser on financial economics for the energy sector, Black was perhaps not the ideal candidate to protect the waterways. The nightmarish state of our rivers is proof of what a disastrous choice he was. Black has said he “completely disagreed” with assessments that Ofwat – which now faces being scrapped in a government review of the industry – was somehow failing. Remarkable.
22 Huw Edwards
The BBC presenter was nailed on for national treasure status, but turned out to be a stone-cold perv and was convicted on three counts of “making indecent images of children”. The man whose voice once ushered the country through the most momentous events of British public life is now on the sex offenders’ register for viewing images that, the court found, included “a child aged approximately 7-9 years”.
21 Allister Heath
WINNER, DELUSIONAL COLUMNIST OF THE YEAR
The depths of Heath’s weirdness are really quite hard to convey. Editor of the Sunday Telegraph, the best way to appreciate his strange combination of paranoia and bombast is to flick through the headlines of his Telegraph columns. Take, for example, “We are the West’s last generation before the new Dark Age begins”. Or how about, “Western civilisation is being driven to oblivion by the false prophets of ‘diversity’.” Another belter was, “For the first time in my life, I’m now beginning to think Britain is finished”, not to mention “Starmer’s brand of politics is dying – Clarkson could deliver the fatal blow”. No wonder he is known in Telegraph Towers as “Chicken Little”. That someone so very odd has such a prominent perch from which to spout this arrant nonsense is, more than anything, a sign of the steep decline of the Telegraph. It is notable that, in the fire sale of the Telegraph Group’s assets the Spectator was snapped up, but as yet, no one wants the newspapers. Publishing cretinous screeds of the sort in which Heath specialises has done the brand no good whatsoever.
20 Katie Hopkins
The far right provocateur and former Apprentice contestant has rebranded herself as a comedian, although her material suggests that may be wide of the mark. At a recent gig she is said to have described the Grenfell Tower fire as “saddy saddy, burny burny”, while at another she spotted Sky News’s Tom Cheshire and told the audience “I smell a virgin… I smell lefty, pressy scum!” At least it makes a change from her rants about Muslims; she once remarked that “Islam disgusts me”, has referred to Sadiq Khan as “the Muslim mayor of Londonistan” and has promoted the idea of “anti-white racism” and the “white genocide conspiracy theory”. Calling herself “the Jesus of the outspoken”, Hatie now plans to “perform a show” next year at a Scottish golf club. And the owner of that golf club – why, Donald Trump of course.
19 Morrissey
“You cannot speak freely in England, you’ll be sent to prison,” the former Smiths singer told a New Jersey crowd in November, revealing himself to be either a) a surprise fan of comedian Stewart “these days” Lee or b) a complete idiot. “As you know, nobody will release my music any more,” he continued, “because I’m a chief exponent of free speech. In England at least, it’s now criminalised.” It could also be that no record companies will release his current music because they have heard it. The song Bonfire of Teenagers, which Morrissey says is being repressed because it deals with the Manchester Arena bombing, features the line “Oh, you should’ve seen her leave for the arena/Only to be vapourised” and the refrain “Go easy on the killer”. It’s every bit as good as it sounds.
18 Owen Jones
WINNER, MEDIA DISASTER AREA OF THE YEAR
“I’m going back to my hotel in New York”, Jones tweeted during his US election tour of the states. “With a Muslim Pakistani American cab driver… who voted for Donald Trump”. It’s a mark of Jones’s politics that he sees people as being members of such strictly drawn categories, even though he is someone whose entire journalistic character is against the idea of pigeonholing people based on their race or identity. Though a Guardian columnist, Jones spends a lot of his time making YouTube videos of himself arguing with people. Recently, almost all of those videos have been concerned with Israel. It is remarkable that Jones, generally regarded as a UK political commentator and activist, concentrates so relentlessly and exclusively on the Gaza war. The problem with Jones is that he has become the very thing he thinks he opposes. He would tell you he’s a freedom-fighting pursuer of truth and supporter of the oppressed. But really he’s just another ranting extremist with a mic and a handheld camera – the Glenn Beck of the left.
17 Richard Tice
Being Nigel Farage’s deputy in the Reform Party makes Richard Tice one of the biggest number twos in British politics. Tice is a contradictory figure – a climate crisis denier who drives an electric car and a man who put millions of pounds worth of shares in his property empire in an offshore trust and then authorised a Reform manifesto that pledged to “take back control” of “our money” and “stop the offshore taxpayer ripoff”. Tice is so fond of his flowing barnet that he is nicknamed The Hairdresser, which might explain his belief that “lots of these new barber shops… are fronts for money laundering and drug money”. Or perhaps that is just his standard dogwhistling; Tice has said Labour are “ruining our culture” and that immigration has made Britain “poorer culturally”.
16 Boris Johnson
The partygate liar was back in the news recently, to accuse Keir Starmer of “effectively standing with Hamas” by supporting the International Criminal Court’s warrant for the arrest of Benjamin Netanyahu for war crimes. In typical style, Johnson failed to mention that the same terms of arrest also applied to, er, the Hamas leader Mohammed Deif. The former PM’s slipperiness has not been missed, as evidenced by the poor reception his autobiography, Unleashed, has received. Despite a colossal marketing drive (including a disastrous interview in French, which showed that he can’t speak French), the book was a flop, selling just 42,000 copies in its first week (for context, Tony Blair’s autobiography launched with sales of 92,000 and Margaret Thatcher’s 120,000). Of course, the man who gets away with almost everything won’t be financially damaged by this disaster – he has already trousered a £2m advance.
15 Frank Hester
The software entrepreneur who has given at least £20m of his estimated £370m fortune to the Tory Party since 2023 managed to hasten and worsen its electoral demise once his comments about Diane Abbott became known in March. Hester apologised for commenting in a work meeting that the Labour MP would “make you want to hate all black women” and that “she should be shot”. A statement from Hester’s lawyers said the comments “had been distorted and taken out of context”. In June, new reports said Hester was alleged to have referred to one of his staff members as the “token Muslim”, to have imitated people of Chinese descent and to have remarked that one individual was attractive for a black woman. None of this was judged bad enough for the Conservatives to actually return any of his money; in fact they accepted another £5m from him days after the general election was called.
14 Justin Welby
Welby recently stood down as archbishop of Canterbury after it turned out he’d been told in 2013 about a serial child abuser in the church named John Smyth, but had failed to do anything about it. A report into Smyth’s activities and the church’s reaction found it was “unlikely” that Welby didn’t know what was going on. The facts were hideous: Smyth carried out “traumatic physical, sexual, psychological and spiritual attacks” on more than 100 boys over four decades. He died in 2018. Having resigned his post, Welby – or to give him his proper name “Justindenial” – showed the depth of his contrition by, er, heading out for a swanky dinner at the British Museum’s annual trustees dinner. Ian Hislop, the editor of Private Eye, was at the event, and wasn’t having any of it. When Welby came over and said “isn’t this lovely?” Hislop replied, “it’s lovely you’ve resigned”. Hear hear.
13 Paul Marshall
In March, when the right wing media magnate was revealed to have liked and shared several extremist, Islamophobic and conspiracy theorist quotes, Michael Gove was asked to condemn Marshall in the Commons. Gove replied that he deplored this attack on a “distinguished philanthropist”. He is now editor of the Spectator, which Marshall bought in September. Yet another public school-educated, City-boy Europhobe who wanted to get his hands into the nation’s guts, Marshall was the founder of UnHerd, a strange combination of worthwhile journalism and swivel-eyed, extremist nationalistic ranting. That kind of delusional, paranoid stuff also crops up regularly on GB News, the wildly unpleasant TV cable “news” channel that is bankrolled by Marshall – an unusual outlet to be owned by someone who is reportedly a committed “conservative christian”. Perhaps the Spectator, which cost him £100m, will convey a more compassionate message to its audience.
12 Isabel Oakeshott
The journalist and partner of Reform’s Richard Tice, Oakeshott appeared on TalkTV back in October to make some nod-and-a-wink remarks about “Keir Starmer’s private life”. The rumours, she said, “certainly aren’t to do with any doubts around his sexuality, if I can put it delicately. And it wouldn’t be fair to go any further than that.” And that really tells you all you need to know about Oakeshott – that she has an instinct for debasement. She was, after all, the journalist who co-wrote the story about David Cameron performing a sex act with a dead pig. That story turned out to be untrue. Oakeshott still regards herself as a respectable hack, but the gap between how she sees herself and what she really is seems to be growing ever wider. In one memorable Twitter exchange, Oakeshott said: “I grew up in Scotland. I trained as a tabloid reporter in Glasgow. Don’t tell me what tough looks like.” To which a Twitter user replied, correctly: “You went to the same school as the fucking king”.
11 Allison Pearson
The absurd over-reaction that followed the visit to the Daily Telegraph columnist by Essex police shows not only her employer’s descent into culture war hysteria, but also the pomposity of the queen of overween. It was a “‘Kafkaesque’ hate crime inquiry”, said the Telegraph, leading to a “week of hell (that) shows that the Britain we love and trust is gone”, said Pearson. In reality, someone had complained to police about a tweet from Pearson that claimed two men of colour pictured holding what she took to be a Hamas flag were “Jew haters”. In fact they were holding the flag of a Pakistani political party. Pearson wailed that she had deleted the tweet and that this was a simple issue of free speech. She may have had a point, but she was quickly threatening those who questioned her account of the affair with legal action. Refusing to appear on The News Agents podcast, she told them “if you get any aspect of the story wrong my lawyers will be watching”. So much for free speech.
10 Robert Jenrick
More than any other contender in the Tory leadership race, children’s mural remover Jenrick was willing to slather himself in the ordure of the culture war. During the contest, Jenrick wrote a column in the Daily Mail, in which he whanged on about “unprecedented migration, the dismantling of our national culture, non-integrating multiculturalism and the denigration of our identity”, showing himself to be little more than a tin-pot populist suffering from an acute case of early-onset authoritarianism. Jenrick also called for Britain to leave the European Convention on Human Rights, which would have torpedoed the Good Friday Agreement and made Britain an international pariah, joining only Russia and Belarus as European countries outside the ECHR. He lost to Kemi Badenoch, provoking eye-rolls from his wife – but “Bobby J” hasn’t gone away. If only he would.
9 Robbie Gibb
The former Conservative comms chief, who describes himself as a “Thatcherite” and who once did a stint advising GB News, was installed on the BBC’s board after a Tory campaign to get him in there by Conservative advisers. Once in situ, the man who wrote in 2020 that the BBC had been “culturally captured by the woke-dominated groupthink of some of its own staff” started trying to drag the BBC over to the right. Though some dispute that Gibb is as powerful as his critics say, there are claims of him monitoring journalists’ social media posts for political bias and for sending aggressive memos about their content. Lewis Goodall, the former Newsnight journo turned podcaster, says he was told by his editors, “be careful: Robbie is watching you”. The result was the creation of a culture of fear at the BBC, in which journalists were afraid to report negative stories about the Tory government, an act of colossal media vandalism. In March, he was given another four-year term in which to remake the BBC to his own liking.
8 Kemi Badenoch
The new Conservative leader was elected for being marginally less useless than Robert Jenrick, although she almost torpedoed her own campaign by saying maternity pay was “excessive” and had “gone too far”. Overwhelmed with a misguided sense of her own brilliance, she has been a hectoring dud at PMQs so far while continuing to toss out idiotic half-formed thoughts – that partygate was “overblown”, that “not all cultures are equally valid”, that autistic people receive “better treatment” than the rest of us, including “economic privileges and protections”, that 5% to 10% of civil servants are so bad that they should be in prison, and that she became working class by getting a part-time job at McDonald’s.
7 Jeremy Clarkson
Clarkson, who has reinvented himself as a farmer, turned up to the recent London protests and became angry when Victoria Derbyshire quizzed him about his motivations for opposing the changes in the tax rules, suggesting that he’d only ever bought his farm to avoid inheritance tax. “Typical BBC,” harrumphed Clarkson, explaining that he had actually bought the farm because he wanted to shoot. That will come as a surprise to readers of Hello! Back in 2021, Clarkson told the magazine: “I’ve actually lived on the farm for many years, we had it for all sorts of inheritance tax reasons.” And in 2010 Clarkson also discussed his reasons for buying the farm, saying: “I have bought a farm. There are many sensible reasons for this. Land is a better investment than any bank can offer. The government doesn’t get any of my money when I die.” Clarkson, who left Top Gear after punching and verbally abusing a producer who dared to tell him there was no hot food available at their hotel, famously once wrote of Meghan, Duchess of Sussex that “I hate her,” and that he dreamed of the day “when she is made to parade naked through the streets of every town in Britain while the crowds chant, ‘Shame!’ and throw lumps of excrement at her”. This was too dodgy even for the Sun, which apologised.
6 Liz Truss
WINNER, LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS AWARD
The former PM whose idiotic policies sent the UK economy into such a tailspin that she ended up having the shortest tenure in No 10 history still thought people would want to hear her views on Rachel Reeves’s first budget (“This is just the start of the pain… it’s going to be a very painful day,” she said, to mass ridicule). Truss has now re-invented herself as a member of the globetrotting commentariat. Most of her efforts seem to be aimed at attracting the attention of the US right, who seem ignorant of her disastrous time in Downing Street. Earlier this year, while hawking her new book, Ten Years to Save the West, she spoke to a half-empty room at a conservative convention in Maryland and recently told a meeting in Delhi, “frankly I think we need a British Trump”. Having destroyed her reputation here, she’s desperately trying to hop on the Trump bandwagon. If she can wreak as much havoc in the US right as she did to the Tories over here, well – you go right ahead, Liz.
5 Lee Anderson
The hugely self-satisfied Reform MP’s claims to being a man who stands up for ordinary people were undermined when he was forced to apologise to the House of Commons for bullying a parliamentary security guard who asked to see his pass. Anderson, who pockets £100,000 per year for a GB News show, told him, “Fuck off, everyone opens the door to me” and “fuck you, I have a train to catch”. He recently took to Twitter to suggest that the 23% of voters who still approve of Keir Starmer are “probably the same people living free of charge in our hotels and prisons”. With his “we want our country back” dogwhistling, his allegations of “two-tier policing” and his anti-woke campaigns – “30p Lee” announced a personal boycott of Nike over a rainbow flag on England shirts, then was seen wearing one of the sports giant’s baseball caps – he makes you nostalgic for the likes of Jonathan Gullis.
4 Russell Brand
WINNER, HOLY SHIT OF THE YEAR AWARD
An investigation by Channel 4 and the Sunday Times set out accusations made by four women against Brand of rape and sexual assault. Police have recently passed a further file of accusations against him to the Crown Prosecution Service to consider whether charges are appropriate. Brand denies all wrongdoing. Since all that first came out, Brand has reinvented himself by throwng off his motor-mouth guttersnipe schtick to become a born-again Christian and champion of swivel-eyed conspiracy theories. That has brought him to the attention of other outcasts, including Tucker Carlson, the US bow tie-wearing former Fox News presenter turned nationalist Trumpy loon. The two have appeared on stage together at weirdo rallies in the US. They’re welcome to him.
3 Paula Vennells
“One of my reflections on all of this is that I was too trusting,” said Paula Vennells in May, a jaw-dropping assessment of her part as CEO of the Post Office during the Horizon scandal, the biggest miscarriage of justice in British legal history, when around 900 sub-postmasters were wrongly convicted of having their hands in the till. Many were sent to jail, and even more were forced to make payments out of their own pocket to make up for apparent shortfalls, when all along the problem was a glitchy computer system. The Post Office, under Vennells, fought against a group action brought by the wrongly accused, spending £100m of public money. It eventually took a TV drama, Mr Bates vs the Post Office, to blow the scandal wide open, and in internal PO communications, later made public, Vennells told her subordinates that their priority should be to “manage the media”. She insists that in a dozen years at the Post Office, seven of them as chief executive, she was never aware of any wrongdoing.
2 Tommy Robinson
OSWALD FAUX-LY AWARD FOR SERVICES TO FASCISM
Despite declaring himself bankrupt in 2021, far right activist Tommy Robinson – real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon – seems to have a lavish lifestyle. His social media feeds show him in pricey restaurants, villas and hotels across Europe, and last July he tweeted his take on the riots from a £400-a-night, five-star hotel in Ayia Napa, Cyprus. “People need to rise up,” he wrote, adding that there were “mass deportations needed”. His high life is currently on hold, with the English Defence League founder back in jail, serving 18 months for contempt of court after repeating false allegations against a Syrian refugee, in breach of an injunction. Prison really is the best place for him. In 2005 he was jailed for kicking a police officer in the head. In 2011 he was convicted of assault, and convicted again for starting a 100-man brawl at a football match. He was charged with mortgage fraud in 2012, jailed in 2013 for trying to enter the US using a fake passport, convicted of contempt of court in 2017 and jailed again in 2018.
1 Nigel Farage
WINNER, SHIT OF THE YEAR 2024
The MP for Clacton remains one of the most disingenuous, idiotic and persistent figures in British public life. Having finally won a Commons seat at the last general election, the leader of the Reform Party decided that the best way to serve the people of the Essex seaside resort was to bugger off to the States to support Donald Trump in his bid to get back into the White House. He should have stayed there; instead Farage’s ill-considered, nudge-nudge video implying police were withholding the truth about the Southport tragedy helped to cause days of lawlessness.
Farage continues to burble darkly about “two-tier policing” and other conspiracy theories, while tossing out untruths such as his claim to have been banned by the Speaker’s Office from conducting MP surgeries in Clacton. Most recently, the former public schoolboy and City trader attached himself to the farmers’ protests over the government’s inheritance tax changes, appearing at the Whitehall demonstrations in cosplay Archers gear – Barbour, startling banana-yellow trousers and a pair of wellies so immaculately clean that they’d obviously never been anywhere near a farm. The fancy umbrella draped across one arm in the style of the classic City spiv rather gave the game away. Asked at the protests whether Brexit had worsened farmers’ lot, he offered only lame jokes about bum steers. The author of the most damaging political event in British public life since Suez, and owner of the most offensive pair of trousers ever seen in Whitehall, is a worthy winner of this year’s Shit of the Year award.
27 November 2024 12:00 AM
Jacob Rees-Mogg: Ex-politician says reality show a ‘calculated risk’
“I don’t want to be a celebrity,” former Conservative MP Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg insists when I ask him why he, his wife and six children have decided to take part in a Kardashian-esque reality series called Meet the Rees-Moggs.
“You have to be open if you’re a public figure and if you’re telling people to vote for you, you have to tell them who you are and what you’re about,” he says. “And, of course, I thought it would be fun.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c75l27rdnpwo
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jacob Rees-Mogg: Ex-politician says reality show a ‘calculated risk’“I don’t want to be a celebrity,” former Conservative MP Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg insists when I ask him why he, his wife and six children have decided to take part in a Kardashian-esque reality series called Meet the Rees-Moggs.
“You have to be open if you’re a public figure and if you’re telling people to vote for you, you have to tell them who you are and what you’re about,” he says. “And, of course, I thought it would be fun.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c75l27rdnpwo
Maybe he just wants to money?
nah, I think it is the attention he craves. Lost his seat at the last election, now suffering from a clinical condition called Relevance Deprivation Syndrome. Poor thing/
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jacob Rees-Mogg: Ex-politician says reality show a ‘calculated risk’“I don’t want to be a celebrity,” former Conservative MP Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg insists when I ask him why he, his wife and six children have decided to take part in a Kardashian-esque reality series called Meet the Rees-Moggs.
“You have to be open if you’re a public figure and if you’re telling people to vote for you, you have to tell them who you are and what you’re about,” he says. “And, of course, I thought it would be fun.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c75l27rdnpwo
Maybe he just wants to money?
nah, I think it is the attention he craves. Lost his seat at the last election, now suffering from a clinical condition called Relevance Deprivation Syndrome. Poor thing/
and I could not think of anything less entertaining. I hope he flops.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jacob Rees-Mogg: Ex-politician says reality show a ‘calculated risk’“I don’t want to be a celebrity,” former Conservative MP Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg insists when I ask him why he, his wife and six children have decided to take part in a Kardashian-esque reality series called Meet the Rees-Moggs.
“You have to be open if you’re a public figure and if you’re telling people to vote for you, you have to tell them who you are and what you’re about,” he says. “And, of course, I thought it would be fun.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c75l27rdnpwo
Maybe he just wants to money?
nah, I think it is the attention he craves. Lost his seat at the last election, now suffering from a clinical condition called Relevance Deprivation Syndrome. Poor thing/
and I could not think of anything less entertaining. I hope he flops.
He like to project himself as some kind of loveable eccentric. He dresses in old style suites with top hats and all that stuff. Sort of style that went out of fashion a century ago. I think it is all just attention seeking type stuff.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jacob Rees-Mogg: Ex-politician says reality show a ‘calculated risk’“I don’t want to be a celebrity,” former Conservative MP Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg insists when I ask him why he, his wife and six children have decided to take part in a Kardashian-esque reality series called Meet the Rees-Moggs.
“You have to be open if you’re a public figure and if you’re telling people to vote for you, you have to tell them who you are and what you’re about,” he says. “And, of course, I thought it would be fun.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c75l27rdnpwo
Maybe he just wants to money?
nah, I think it is the attention he craves. Lost his seat at the last election, now suffering from a clinical condition called Relevance Deprivation Syndrome. Poor thing/
He aspires to be part of the aristocracy.
He knows that the aristocracy will never accept him as such, and that’s something he can’t do anything about, but he relishes the opportunity to show all of the people ‘below’ him just how very much more like an aristocrat he can pretend to be than can they.
Additionally, he’s an arse.
Can’t find the Elon is a cunt thread:
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Musk ready to bankroll Farage with ‘biggesMusk ready to bankroll Farage with ‘biggest donation in British political history’
ByTony Diver
December 18, 2024 — 4.24pm
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London: Elon Musk has backed the populist Reform UK party and opened talks with leader Nigel Farage about making a major donation to the party to defeat Labour and the Conservatives.
Farage met the tech billionaire at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump’s Florida club, and “the issue of money was discussed” amid speculation that he could donate as much as £78 million ($158 million).
Writing for Britain’s Telegraph, Farage said Musk “left us in no doubt that he is right behind us” and launched “ongoing negotiations” about a financial contribution to Reform.
It is the first time that either Farage or Musk has acknowledged rumours that the latter is considering a multimillion-pound donation, which could be the largest in British political history.
The SpaceX and Tesla entrepreneur is a vocal critic of the Labour government and has accused UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer of eroding freedom of speech by running a “tyrannical police state”.
Farage shared a photograph of the two with the caption: “Britain needs Reform.” Musk replied: “Absolutely.”
The Reform leader was joined by Nick Candy, a London property magnate and former Conservative donor who defected to Reform last week, becoming the party’s treasurer and promising to bring in “tens of millions of pounds”.
Farage wrote that he hoped to learn from Trump’s election victory and had discussed the Republican “ground game” in Pennsylvania, where Musk controversially gave cash handouts to registered voters.
He said: “I have come home with copious notes of how they increased the turnout, voter registration and so much more, and all of this I intend to implement as part of the professionalisation of our party.
“It is also heartening to listen to Elon speak about UK politics with such deep care. He regards the mother country of the English-speaking world as being in very deep trouble.
Elon Musk and former first lady Melania Trump listen as Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally at Madison Square Garden in October.
Elon Musk and former first lady Melania Trump listen as Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally at Madison Square Garden in October.Credit:AP
“Inevitably, following such intense media speculation, the issue of money was discussed and there will be ongoing negotiations on that score.”
The Telegraph understands that Musk has significant concerns about the UK’s Online Safety Act, which requires social media companies including X – which he owns – to regulate their content.
Scrapping or amending the legislation may become a key request of Trump when he enters trade negotiations with Britain next year.
Trump’s team has warned that the UK must choose between a closer trade relationship with either the US or the EU, suggesting that talks could end with tariffs of up to 20 per cent on UK exports if the incoming president is not placated.
Nigel Farage is Trump’s closest British political ally and was at his victory party in Florida.
Nigel Farage is Trump’s closest British political ally and was at his victory party in Florida.Credit:Bloomberg
Farage said that, during his visit to Mar-a-Lago, several of Trump’s allies had asked him about Starmer’s decision to sign away the Chagos Islands to Mauritius, which some Republicans think will threaten the Diego Garcia airbase.
“I was able to assure them that the Chagos Islands’ surrender was not only wholly unnecessary but represented a bad deal for the United Kingdom, America, the free world and not least the Chagossian people,” he said. “I promise the Labour government there is trouble ahead on this issue.”
In a sign of Farage’s growing familiarity with the new Trump administration, he also met J.D. Vance, the vice president-elect.
Vance has spoken to Kemi Badenoch, the Tory leader, and David Lammy, the foreign secretary, since the US election last month, but no party leader other than Farage has met Musk.
In a statement, Farage said: “I had a great meeting with vice-president elect J.D. Vance yesterday. He is a friend of mine and I have known him for 14 years – Kemi Badenoch has known him for 14 days.
“I have always said I will help this government with contacts. It isn’t just President Trump and the incoming vice-president, but I have known large numbers of the cabinet for many years.
“I will always do what is in the national interest, and renewing our strong ties with America after four years of Joe Biden can only be a good thing for our country.”
On her recent trip to Washington, Badenoch said she was “excited about Doge”, an efficiency project Musk will lead next year, describing its work as “absolutely brilliant”. But he has declined to return her warm words, preferring to criticise Starmer and back Farage.
During riots across the UK in August, he posted online that “civil war is inevitable”, drawing criticism from a Downing Street spokesman, who said there was “no justification for comments like that”.
After Labour imposed inheritance tax on British farmers, he claimed the UK was “going full Stalin”. He also supported a petition for a new general election last month, writing online: “The people of Britain have had enough of a tyrannical police state.”
As a US citizen, Musk cannot legally donate to a UK political party, but he could give Reform money via the British branch of X.
A contribution of £78 million would easily eclipse the biggest single-party donation in British history – a £10 million gift by Lord Sainsbury to the Conservative Party in 2023. It would also deal a major blow to Labour and the Conservatives, who are challenging Reform in dozens of local council elections in May.
Lord Mandelson, the Labour peer in contention to be the UK’s next ambassador to the US, has said the government must use Farage and other Trump allies as a “bridge” to Musk, and that it would be unwise to ignore him.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/musk-ready-to-bankroll-farage-with-biggest-donation-in-british-political-history-20241218-p5kzf2.html
fkn communists
SCIENCE said:
fkn communists
>For years, children from some of the poorest households across the country have been missing out because their parents or carers have not enrolled them.
Wonder why not, the article doesn’t say.
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
fkn communists
>For years, children from some of the poorest households across the country have been missing out because their parents or carers have not enrolled them.
Wonder why not, the article doesn’t say.
we haven’t lived in the uk missing out on poor household meals but presumably things like
Conservative intellectual Suella Braverman claims to have seen the border wall between Italy and Turkey.
https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/02/suella-braverman-bizarrely-claims-a-land-border-italy-turkey-22284132/
Probably just as well she was Home Secretary rather than Foreign Secretary.
dv said:
Conservative intellectual Suella Braverman claims to have seen the border wall between Italy and Turkey.
https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/02/suella-braverman-bizarrely-claims-a-land-border-italy-turkey-22284132/
Probably just as well she was Home Secretary rather than Foreign Secretary.
And there was PWM worrying about making the grade as an intellectual
dv said:
Conservative intellectual Suella Braverman claims to have seen the border wall between Italy and Turkey.
https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/02/suella-braverman-bizarrely-claims-a-land-border-italy-turkey-22284132/
Probably just as well she was Home Secretary rather than Foreign Secretary.
If she counts as an ‘intellectual’, then i’m Albert Fucking Einstein.
captain_spalding said:
Neophyte said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual Suella Braverman claims to have seen the border wall between Italy and Turkey.
Probably just as well she was Home Secretary rather than Foreign Secretary.
And there was PWM worrying about making the grade as an intellectual
If she counts as an ‘intellectual’, then i’m Albert Fucking Einstein.


looks like plenty of space there for quite a thick wall what’s the problem
dv said:
Conservative intellectual Suella Braverman claims to have seen the border wall between Italy and Turkey.
https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/02/suella-braverman-bizarrely-claims-a-land-border-italy-turkey-22284132/
Probably just as well she was Home Secretary rather than Foreign Secretary.
Intellectual…