Date: 21/09/2024 09:23:31
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2198259
Subject: Satellite positioning question

Do satellites have a global positioning system / avoidance system of some kind?

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Date: 21/09/2024 09:25:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2198260
Subject: re: Satellite positioning question

yes

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Date: 21/09/2024 09:27:53
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2198262
Subject: re: Satellite positioning question

SCIENCE said:


yes

Can they see each other ?

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Date: 21/09/2024 10:01:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2198268
Subject: re: Satellite positioning question

Tau.Neutrino said:


SCIENCE said:

yes

Can they see each other ?

Generally, no.

Collison avoidance is based on the fact that space is a big place, the orbits are large, and the satellites are comparatively microscopic.

All satellites are tracked, and i suppose that, if their owners get enough advance warning, and there’s propellant left in a satellite with a suitable system, they could move it out of the collision path.

But, satellites collide with stuff all the time. Even a fleck of paint, moving at 18,000 miles per hour, can make bit of ding in your satellite. Very small, but very real. A panel brough back from the HST was peppered with tiny impact hits after 15 years in orbit. Space shuttle windows have absorbed hits, which were, fortunately, not big enough to do serious damage.

We don’t really know how many satellites have been damaged of destroyed by collisions, as they sometimes just stop working and it’s anyone’s guess as to why, and there’s some satellites that their owners just don’t admit to being there in the first place.

It’s pretty much inevitable that two satellites will eventually collide, andthat will have a cascading effect, as the debris from that crash impacts on more satellites.

It will be an interesting time, to say the least.

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Date: 21/09/2024 10:03:45
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2198270
Subject: re: Satellite positioning question

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

yes

Can they see each other ?

Generally, no.

Collison avoidance is based on the fact that space is a big place, the orbits are large, and the satellites are comparatively microscopic.

All satellites are tracked, and i suppose that, if their owners get enough advance warning, and there’s propellant left in a satellite with a suitable system, they could move it out of the collision path.

But, satellites collide with stuff all the time. Even a fleck of paint, moving at 18,000 miles per hour, can make bit of ding in your satellite. Very small, but very real. A panel brough back from the HST was peppered with tiny impact hits after 15 years in orbit. Space shuttle windows have absorbed hits, which were, fortunately, not big enough to do serious damage.

We don’t really know how many satellites have been damaged of destroyed by collisions, as they sometimes just stop working and it’s anyone’s guess as to why, and there’s some satellites that their owners just don’t admit to being there in the first place.

It’s pretty much inevitable that two satellites will eventually collide, andthat will have a cascading effect, as the debris from that crash impacts on more satellites.

It will be an interesting time, to say the least.

The Kessler Syndrome, it does concern me somewhat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome

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Date: 21/09/2024 10:20:38
From: Kingy
ID: 2198277
Subject: re: Satellite positioning question

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

yes

Can they see each other ?

Generally, no.

Collison avoidance is based on the fact that space is a big place, the orbits are large, and the satellites are comparatively microscopic.

All satellites are tracked, and i suppose that, if their owners get enough advance warning, and there’s propellant left in a satellite with a suitable system, they could move it out of the collision path.

But, satellites collide with stuff all the time. Even a fleck of paint, moving at 18,000 miles per hour, can make bit of ding in your satellite. Very small, but very real. A panel brough back from the HST was peppered with tiny impact hits after 15 years in orbit. Space shuttle windows have absorbed hits, which were, fortunately, not big enough to do serious damage.

We don’t really know how many satellites have been damaged of destroyed by collisions, as they sometimes just stop working and it’s anyone’s guess as to why, and there’s some satellites that their owners just don’t admit to being there in the first place.

It’s pretty much inevitable that two satellites will eventually collide, andthat will have a cascading effect, as the debris from that crash impacts on more satellites.

It will be an interesting time, to say the least.

Already had a big one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_satellite_collision

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Date: 21/09/2024 10:23:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2198281
Subject: re: Satellite positioning question

Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can they see each other ?

Generally, no.

Collison avoidance is based on the fact that space is a big place, the orbits are large, and the satellites are comparatively microscopic.

All satellites are tracked, and i suppose that, if their owners get enough advance warning, and there’s propellant left in a satellite with a suitable system, they could move it out of the collision path.

But, satellites collide with stuff all the time. Even a fleck of paint, moving at 18,000 miles per hour, can make bit of ding in your satellite. Very small, but very real. A panel brough back from the HST was peppered with tiny impact hits after 15 years in orbit. Space shuttle windows have absorbed hits, which were, fortunately, not big enough to do serious damage.

We don’t really know how many satellites have been damaged of destroyed by collisions, as they sometimes just stop working and it’s anyone’s guess as to why, and there’s some satellites that their owners just don’t admit to being there in the first place.

It’s pretty much inevitable that two satellites will eventually collide, andthat will have a cascading effect, as the debris from that crash impacts on more satellites.

It will be an interesting time, to say the least.

Already had a big one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_satellite_collision

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solwind

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