Date: 3/10/2024 14:51:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2201567
Subject: Helene

Hurricane Helene made landfall in Florida but towns hundreds of miles from the coast have seen some of the worst destruction. Communities once considered ‘climate havens’ are facing a harsh reality, there may be no such thing. William Brangham discussed the impacts of a warming world and what individuals and communities can do with Alex Steffen, writer of the newsletter, “The Snap Forward.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjiLZC31nxE

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Date: 3/10/2024 21:30:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2201692
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:

Hurricane Helene made landfall in Florida but towns hundreds of miles from the coast have seen some of the worst destruction. Communities once considered ‘climate havens’ are facing a harsh reality, there may be no such thing. William Brangham discussed the impacts of a warming world and what individuals and communities can do with Alex Steffen, writer of the newsletter, “The Snap Forward.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjiLZC31nxE

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/local/2024/10/01/tennessee-impact-plastics-employees-fought-desperately-to-stay-above-hurricane-helene-floodwaters/75450498007/

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02cTrsEaXb4Q3mM8JgyT3zJFKxqGFM1RNbigh5GPpKhjPSg8CnevJpZGFjk66QdKs9l&id=61557826408783

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Date: 3/10/2024 21:55:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2201702
Subject: re: Helene

“God is getting people’s attention. He really is getting people’s attention, not just here, but it’s everywhere,” she said. “But I really think it’s just, it’s to let us know who’s in control.”
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I watched another woman saying that god had blessed her. she had only lost a bit of her verandah.

but god seems to hate her having neighbours. fixed.

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Date: 3/10/2024 22:00:02
From: party_pants
ID: 2201703
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


“God is getting people’s attention. He really is getting people’s attention, not just here, but it’s everywhere,” she said. “But I really think it’s just, it’s to let us know who’s in control.”
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I watched another woman saying that god had blessed her. she had only lost a bit of her verandah.

but god seems to hate her having neighbours. fixed.

sigh

God is sending a warning of the punishment to come if the vote Trump.

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Date: 3/10/2024 22:00:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2201704
Subject: re: Helene

In North Carolina, where tens of thousands of residents remain without running water, Biden took an aerial tour of storm-ravaged western areas of the state.

“God willing, they’re alive,” he said, referring to reports of up to 600 people unaccounted for. “But there’s no way to contact them again because of the lack of cell phone coverage.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmgz3elmjxo

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Date: 3/10/2024 22:44:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2201706
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:

In North Carolina, where tens of thousands of residents remain without running water, Biden took an aerial tour of storm-ravaged western areas of the state.

“God willing, they’re alive,” he said, referring to reports of up to 600 people unaccounted for. “But there’s no way to contact them again because of the lack of cell phone coverage.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmgz3elmjxo

perhaps they should try using pagers inşallah

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Date: 4/10/2024 13:46:55
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2201853
Subject: re: Helene

From a ‘The Atlantic’ email newsletter:

‘A Huge Financial Shock’

Western North Carolina lies hundreds of miles inland from any coast. The counties around the Blue Ridge Mountains sit at high elevations, away from the dense flood zones along the Atlantic. The idea that more than a foot of rain would rapidly overwhelm the region, sweeping up homes and ripping up vegetation, seemed almost unthinkable. But a week after Hurricane Helene made landfall, at least 200 people have died, and the death toll is expected to rise as the floodwaters recede and the debris clears. Many inland residents in North Carolina have never experienced flooding like this in their lifetime, and only a sliver have the flood insurance necessary to help them rebuild.

Flood insurance isn’t included in homeowner’s insurance, and Americans are generally not required to buy it. (One exception is the homeowners who live in high-risk areas, who must purchase flood insurance to get a federally backed mortgage.) Without this special coverage, floods can be “a huge financial shock to households,” Carolyn Kousky, the associate vice president for economics and policy at the Environmental Defense Fund, told me. Those living in storm-torn areas without coverage are looking at a massive list of expenses—home repairs, debris removal, temporary lodging—that they may have to pay for out of pocket after Helene. Still, just a tiny share of homeowners currently own flood insurance. Most of the North Carolina counties hit hard by Helene did not fall within high-risk areas on flood maps from the Federal Emergency Management Agency; one estimate found that less than 2.5 percent of homeowners in the region have flood insurance—and that number is even lower in some counties.

“In a perfect world, everyone with some degree of flood risk could and would carry flood insurance on their homes,” my colleague Zoë Schlanger, who covers climate change, told me. But the reality is that even some of the residents in flood-prone areas do not buy the plans because they are so expensive. The average premium cost $700 a year in 2019, but that number can reach the thousands for some coastal communities. Lower-income residents face an especially daunting situation: They are less likely to be able to afford flood insurance, and they also have less money on hand to rebuild.

Many people assume that they face little risk if they aren’t living in an area included in high-risk zones on FEMA’s flood maps, Sarah Pralle, a political-science professor at the Maxwell School at Syracuse University, told me. But FEMA’s maps don’t capture the full picture of flood risk. They are drawn “based on the assumption that the past will help us predict the future. In a rapidly changing climate, that’s not the case.” The maps can quickly become outdated as climate risks evolve, she noted, and don’t take into account fluvial flooding, or flooding from heavy-rain events, which is what North Carolina saw last week. Even people who have personally experienced flooding sometimes drop their policies, Pralle said, adding that “if people have lived in a place where it hasn’t flooded in decades, they lose that memory of what can happen and what kind of losses they might suffer.”

Those who do buy flood insurance usually live in areas prone to flooding. The result is a system in which the risk is not evenly spread out, making flood-insurance premiums hugely pricey—Pralle likened it to a health-insurance system in which only the sick buy coverage. Some countries organize their disaster-insurance programs so everyone pays a flat rate, Kousky explained. In the United States, that would mean someone living on Florida’s coastline would pay the same premium as someone living on the top of a mountain. That’s a tough sell for many Americans, and overhauling the National Flood Insurance Program, which is saddled with debt, would be politically contentious.

Those without flood insurance will need to rely on a “patchwork” system of federal aid, loans, and charity, Kousky said, as they recover from Helene. One option is accepting government loans, but she noted that many people are not in a position to take on more debt after a hurricane—and their applications may be denied too. FEMA disaster-assistance grants are another pathway, and most of them do not need to be repaid—but those are “just an emergency stopgap,” Kousky said. They’re not designed to fully help people recover, usually providing only a few thousand dollars for each household—a fraction of what residents would need to rebuild.

The process of recovering from Helene is just beginning. Still, hurricane season is not over for the rest of the country, and FEMA currently does not have enough funding to make it through the rest of the season. Last week, President Joe Biden signed a short-term spending bill authorizing another $16 billion for the agency, but further funding would need to come from Congress, which is currently in recess until after the election.

So much of the response following disasters can feel piecemeal and reactive, Pralle said. Insurance is important—but not the full story. “Every dollar we put into prevention is going to be a lot more efficiently spent,” she explained. In a world reshaped by climate change, “this idea that there’s safe places you can go hide is unrealistic.”

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Date: 4/10/2024 14:08:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2201858
Subject: re: Helene

Witty Rejoinder said:


From a ‘The Atlantic’ email newsletter:

‘A Huge Financial Shock’

Western North Carolina lies hundreds of miles inland from any coast. The counties around the Blue Ridge Mountains sit at high elevations, away from the dense flood zones along the Atlantic. The idea that more than a foot of rain would rapidly overwhelm the region, sweeping up homes and ripping up vegetation, seemed almost unthinkable. But a week after Hurricane Helene made landfall, at least 200 people have died, and the death toll is expected to rise as the floodwaters recede and the debris clears. Many inland residents in North Carolina have never experienced flooding like this in their lifetime, and only a sliver have the flood insurance necessary to help them rebuild.

Flood insurance isn’t included in homeowner’s insurance, and Americans are generally not required to buy it. (One exception is the homeowners who live in high-risk areas, who must purchase flood insurance to get a federally backed mortgage.) Without this special coverage, floods can be “a huge financial shock to households,” Carolyn Kousky, the associate vice president for economics and policy at the Environmental Defense Fund, told me. Those living in storm-torn areas without coverage are looking at a massive list of expenses—home repairs, debris removal, temporary lodging—that they may have to pay for out of pocket after Helene. Still, just a tiny share of homeowners currently own flood insurance. Most of the North Carolina counties hit hard by Helene did not fall within high-risk areas on flood maps from the Federal Emergency Management Agency; one estimate found that less than 2.5 percent of homeowners in the region have flood insurance—and that number is even lower in some counties.

“In a perfect world, everyone with some degree of flood risk could and would carry flood insurance on their homes,” my colleague Zoë Schlanger, who covers climate change, told me. But the reality is that even some of the residents in flood-prone areas do not buy the plans because they are so expensive. The average premium cost $700 a year in 2019, but that number can reach the thousands for some coastal communities. Lower-income residents face an especially daunting situation: They are less likely to be able to afford flood insurance, and they also have less money on hand to rebuild.

Many people assume that they face little risk if they aren’t living in an area included in high-risk zones on FEMA’s flood maps, Sarah Pralle, a political-science professor at the Maxwell School at Syracuse University, told me. But FEMA’s maps don’t capture the full picture of flood risk. They are drawn “based on the assumption that the past will help us predict the future. In a rapidly changing climate, that’s not the case.” The maps can quickly become outdated as climate risks evolve, she noted, and don’t take into account fluvial flooding, or flooding from heavy-rain events, which is what North Carolina saw last week. Even people who have personally experienced flooding sometimes drop their policies, Pralle said, adding that “if people have lived in a place where it hasn’t flooded in decades, they lose that memory of what can happen and what kind of losses they might suffer.”

Those who do buy flood insurance usually live in areas prone to flooding. The result is a system in which the risk is not evenly spread out, making flood-insurance premiums hugely pricey—Pralle likened it to a health-insurance system in which only the sick buy coverage. Some countries organize their disaster-insurance programs so everyone pays a flat rate, Kousky explained. In the United States, that would mean someone living on Florida’s coastline would pay the same premium as someone living on the top of a mountain. That’s a tough sell for many Americans, and overhauling the National Flood Insurance Program, which is saddled with debt, would be politically contentious.

Those without flood insurance will need to rely on a “patchwork” system of federal aid, loans, and charity, Kousky said, as they recover from Helene. One option is accepting government loans, but she noted that many people are not in a position to take on more debt after a hurricane—and their applications may be denied too. FEMA disaster-assistance grants are another pathway, and most of them do not need to be repaid—but those are “just an emergency stopgap,” Kousky said. They’re not designed to fully help people recover, usually providing only a few thousand dollars for each household—a fraction of what residents would need to rebuild.

The process of recovering from Helene is just beginning. Still, hurricane season is not over for the rest of the country, and FEMA currently does not have enough funding to make it through the rest of the season. Last week, President Joe Biden signed a short-term spending bill authorizing another $16 billion for the agency, but further funding would need to come from Congress, which is currently in recess until after the election.

So much of the response following disasters can feel piecemeal and reactive, Pralle said. Insurance is important—but not the full story. “Every dollar we put into prevention is going to be a lot more efficiently spent,” she explained. In a world reshaped by climate change, “this idea that there’s safe places you can go hide is unrealistic.”

watched one lady in Florida saying that her insurance would not be coughing up. She was not flooded…what she had was a storm surge.

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Date: 4/10/2024 14:11:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2201859
Subject: re: Helene

Queues at the gas stations.

Queues for fast food.

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Date: 4/10/2024 15:01:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2201875
Subject: re: Helene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbrCyWzF464

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Date: 5/10/2024 00:45:04
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202005
Subject: re: Helene

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Date: 5/10/2024 02:46:03
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202011
Subject: re: Helene

UNBELIEVABLE DESTRUCTION: Hurricane Helene destroys our Farm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18QR-rFWxFI
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admits to watching the Rhodes family do stoopid things. and I did wonder when they put the road/swales above the house, leading to the road next to the house, whether they had thought it through well. In the end it was just a fraction of the water going past. they’ve lost the bridge to the grandparent’s place and grandma is supposed to receiving daily nursing care. The foundations for the big barn gone. serious chunks of concrete foundation missing. the giant polytunnel. Lily’s horse arena. A t A container of stuff moved 50metres down the river. All but one turkey. The bees. From what I know the bees should have been on higher ground.

They have lost a good bit of arable land to river bed.

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Date: 5/10/2024 02:47:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202012
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


UNBELIEVABLE DESTRUCTION: Hurricane Helene destroys our Farm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18QR-rFWxFI
—-

admits to watching the Rhodes family do stoopid things. and I did wonder when they put the road/swales above the house, leading to the road next to the house, whether they had thought it through well. In the end it was just a fraction of the water going past. they’ve lost the bridge to the grandparent’s place and grandma is supposed to receiving daily nursing care. The foundations for the big barn gone. serious chunks of concrete foundation missing. the giant polytunnel. Lily’s horse arena. A t A container of stuff moved 50metres down the river. All but one turkey. The bees. From what I know the bees should have been on higher ground.

They have lost a good bit of arable land to river bed.

it worked. but i do feel like not doing it anymore just to piss of Boris because i think it is unreasonable for him to be pissed off at me.

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Date: 5/10/2024 07:12:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202020
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

UNBELIEVABLE DESTRUCTION: Hurricane Helene destroys our Farm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18QR-rFWxFI
—-

admits to watching the Rhodes family do stoopid things. and I did wonder when they put the road/swales above the house, leading to the road next to the house, whether they had thought it through well. In the end it was just a fraction of the water going past. they’ve lost the bridge to the grandparent’s place and grandma is supposed to receiving daily nursing care. The foundations for the big barn gone. serious chunks of concrete foundation missing. the giant polytunnel. Lily’s horse arena. A t A container of stuff moved 50metres down the river. All but one turkey. The bees. From what I know the bees should have been on higher ground.

They have lost a good bit of arable land to river bed.

it worked. but i do feel like not doing it anymore just to piss of Boris because i think it is unreasonable for him to be pissed off at me.

:)
Keep up the fight. :)

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Date: 5/10/2024 07:27:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2202021
Subject: re: Helene

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

UNBELIEVABLE DESTRUCTION: Hurricane Helene destroys our Farm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18QR-rFWxFI
—-

admits to watching the Rhodes family do stoopid things. and I did wonder when they put the road/swales above the house, leading to the road next to the house, whether they had thought it through well. In the end it was just a fraction of the water going past. they’ve lost the bridge to the grandparent’s place and grandma is supposed to receiving daily nursing care. The foundations for the big barn gone. serious chunks of concrete foundation missing. the giant polytunnel. Lily’s horse arena. A t A container of stuff moved 50metres down the river. All but one turkey. The bees. From what I know the bees should have been on higher ground.

They have lost a good bit of arable land to river bed.

it worked. but i do feel like not doing it anymore just to piss of Boris because i think it is unreasonable for him to be pissed off at me.

:)
Keep up the fight. :)

we read it as, you used self deprecating language, and the fella used the language you used, but sure, people can do what they do, or just do like we(1,0,0) do and style things one’s own way

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Date: 5/10/2024 07:47:30
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2202024
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

UNBELIEVABLE DESTRUCTION: Hurricane Helene destroys our Farm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18QR-rFWxFI
—-

admits to watching the Rhodes family do stoopid things. and I did wonder when they put the road/swales above the house, leading to the road next to the house, whether they had thought it through well. In the end it was just a fraction of the water going past. they’ve lost the bridge to the grandparent’s place and grandma is supposed to receiving daily nursing care. The foundations for the big barn gone. serious chunks of concrete foundation missing. the giant polytunnel. Lily’s horse arena. A t A container of stuff moved 50metres down the river. All but one turkey. The bees. From what I know the bees should have been on higher ground.

They have lost a good bit of arable land to river bed.

it worked. but i do feel like not doing it anymore just to piss of Boris because i think it is unreasonable for him to be pissed off at me.

While it may, or may not, have appliedto the Rhodes’ farm, a lot of others in their state of North Carolina suffered more than they should have, as Jeff Tiedrich explains:

‘here’s another heartwarming story of Republicans fucking themselves — and in the process, their entire state.

the devastation to North Carolina caused by Hurricane Helene was a lot worse than it should have been, thanks to a 15-year effort by the state’s GOP to deregulate the fuck out of the the housing industry.

Over the past 15 years, North Carolina lawmakers have rejected limits on construction on steep slopes, which might have reduced the number of homes lost to landslides; blocked a rule requiring homes to be elevated above the height of an expected flood; weakened protections for wetlands, increasing the risk of dangerous storm water runoff; and slowed the adoption of updated building codes, making it harder for the state to qualify for federal climate-resilience grants.

North Carolinians could have been living in homes that stood a better chance of withstanding high winds and floods, but the state’s construction industry was all are you insane? don’t fuck with our profit margin — and the Republican-controlled legislature was only too happy to comply.

Those decisions reflect the influence of North Carolina’s home building industry, which has consistently fought rules forcing its members to construct homes to higher, more expensive standards, according to Kim Wooten, an engineer who serves on the North Carolina Building Code Council, the group that sets home building requirements for the state.

North Carolina’s Republicans played stupid games — unfortunately, it was the entire state that won stupid prizes.’

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Date: 5/10/2024 07:52:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202027
Subject: re: Helene

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

UNBELIEVABLE DESTRUCTION: Hurricane Helene destroys our Farm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18QR-rFWxFI
—-

admits to watching the Rhodes family do stoopid things. and I did wonder when they put the road/swales above the house, leading to the road next to the house, whether they had thought it through well. In the end it was just a fraction of the water going past. they’ve lost the bridge to the grandparent’s place and grandma is supposed to receiving daily nursing care. The foundations for the big barn gone. serious chunks of concrete foundation missing. the giant polytunnel. Lily’s horse arena. A t A container of stuff moved 50metres down the river. All but one turkey. The bees. From what I know the bees should have been on higher ground.

They have lost a good bit of arable land to river bed.

it worked. but i do feel like not doing it anymore just to piss of Boris because i think it is unreasonable for him to be pissed off at me.

While it may, or may not, have appliedto the Rhodes’ farm, a lot of others in their state of North Carolina suffered more than they should have, as Jeff Tiedrich explains:

‘here’s another heartwarming story of Republicans fucking themselves — and in the process, their entire state.

the devastation to North Carolina caused by Hurricane Helene was a lot worse than it should have been, thanks to a 15-year effort by the state’s GOP to deregulate the fuck out of the the housing industry.

Over the past 15 years, North Carolina lawmakers have rejected limits on construction on steep slopes, which might have reduced the number of homes lost to landslides; blocked a rule requiring homes to be elevated above the height of an expected flood; weakened protections for wetlands, increasing the risk of dangerous storm water runoff; and slowed the adoption of updated building codes, making it harder for the state to qualify for federal climate-resilience grants.

North Carolinians could have been living in homes that stood a better chance of withstanding high winds and floods, but the state’s construction industry was all are you insane? don’t fuck with our profit margin — and the Republican-controlled legislature was only too happy to comply.

Those decisions reflect the influence of North Carolina’s home building industry, which has consistently fought rules forcing its members to construct homes to higher, more expensive standards, according to Kim Wooten, an engineer who serves on the North Carolina Building Code Council, the group that sets home building requirements for the state.

North Carolina’s Republicans played stupid games — unfortunately, it was the entire state that won stupid prizes.’

This appears to be the big part about; how do we fix this? Why didn’t we have procedures funded for in case of emergencies?

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Date: 5/10/2024 13:04:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202168
Subject: re: Helene

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

UNBELIEVABLE DESTRUCTION: Hurricane Helene destroys our Farm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18QR-rFWxFI
—-

admits to watching the Rhodes family do stoopid things. and I did wonder when they put the road/swales above the house, leading to the road next to the house, whether they had thought it through well. In the end it was just a fraction of the water going past. they’ve lost the bridge to the grandparent’s place and grandma is supposed to receiving daily nursing care. The foundations for the big barn gone. serious chunks of concrete foundation missing. the giant polytunnel. Lily’s horse arena. A t A container of stuff moved 50metres down the river. All but one turkey. The bees. From what I know the bees should have been on higher ground.

They have lost a good bit of arable land to river bed.

it worked. but i do feel like not doing it anymore just to piss of Boris because i think it is unreasonable for him to be pissed off at me.

While it may, or may not, have appliedto the Rhodes’ farm, a lot of others in their state of North Carolina suffered more than they should have, as Jeff Tiedrich explains:

‘here’s another heartwarming story of Republicans fucking themselves — and in the process, their entire state.

the devastation to North Carolina caused by Hurricane Helene was a lot worse than it should have been, thanks to a 15-year effort by the state’s GOP to deregulate the fuck out of the the housing industry.

Over the past 15 years, North Carolina lawmakers have rejected limits on construction on steep slopes, which might have reduced the number of homes lost to landslides; blocked a rule requiring homes to be elevated above the height of an expected flood; weakened protections for wetlands, increasing the risk of dangerous storm water runoff; and slowed the adoption of updated building codes, making it harder for the state to qualify for federal climate-resilience grants.

North Carolinians could have been living in homes that stood a better chance of withstanding high winds and floods, but the state’s construction industry was all are you insane? don’t fuck with our profit margin — and the Republican-controlled legislature was only too happy to comply.

Those decisions reflect the influence of North Carolina’s home building industry, which has consistently fought rules forcing its members to construct homes to higher, more expensive standards, according to Kim Wooten, an engineer who serves on the North Carolina Building Code Council, the group that sets home building requirements for the state.

North Carolina’s Republicans played stupid games — unfortunately, it was the entire state that won stupid prizes.’

Reading the comments in youtubes and facebook…the republican message of it being Biden’s is getting through. Even cousin betsy, who is a democrat voter, is sharing republcan outrage.

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Date: 5/10/2024 13:35:16
From: Michael V
ID: 2202184
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

it worked. but i do feel like not doing it anymore just to piss of Boris because i think it is unreasonable for him to be pissed off at me.

While it may, or may not, have appliedto the Rhodes’ farm, a lot of others in their state of North Carolina suffered more than they should have, as Jeff Tiedrich explains:

‘here’s another heartwarming story of Republicans fucking themselves — and in the process, their entire state.

the devastation to North Carolina caused by Hurricane Helene was a lot worse than it should have been, thanks to a 15-year effort by the state’s GOP to deregulate the fuck out of the the housing industry.

Over the past 15 years, North Carolina lawmakers have rejected limits on construction on steep slopes, which might have reduced the number of homes lost to landslides; blocked a rule requiring homes to be elevated above the height of an expected flood; weakened protections for wetlands, increasing the risk of dangerous storm water runoff; and slowed the adoption of updated building codes, making it harder for the state to qualify for federal climate-resilience grants.

North Carolinians could have been living in homes that stood a better chance of withstanding high winds and floods, but the state’s construction industry was all are you insane? don’t fuck with our profit margin — and the Republican-controlled legislature was only too happy to comply.

Those decisions reflect the influence of North Carolina’s home building industry, which has consistently fought rules forcing its members to construct homes to higher, more expensive standards, according to Kim Wooten, an engineer who serves on the North Carolina Building Code Council, the group that sets home building requirements for the state.

North Carolina’s Republicans played stupid games — unfortunately, it was the entire state that won stupid prizes.’

Reading the comments in youtubes and facebook…the republican message of it being Biden’s is getting through. Even cousin betsy, who is a democrat voter, is sharing republcan outrage.

Note that in Queensland, the building industry is lobbying the Gummint to “cut red tape”, so more houses can be constructed, quicker. They are advertising this on TV. It’s election time.

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Date: 5/10/2024 14:53:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202211
Subject: re: Helene

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Date: 5/10/2024 15:14:13
From: Michael V
ID: 2202215
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:



What’s he purportedly distributing?

And why is he standing in and hot on the water?

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Date: 5/10/2024 15:17:19
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2202217
Subject: re: Helene

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:


What’s he purportedly distributing?

And why is he standing in and hot on the water?

He’s turning the water into wine…

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Date: 5/10/2024 15:53:21
From: Michael V
ID: 2202241
Subject: re: Helene

Witty Rejoinder said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:


What’s he purportedly distributing?

And why is he standing in and hot on the water?

He’s turning the water into wine…

By the colour of it, he may be turning it into shit.

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Date: 5/10/2024 17:00:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202274
Subject: re: Helene

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Date: 6/10/2024 13:02:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202463
Subject: re: Helene

Heavy rain and loose soil combined during the storm to push his home 20 feet off of its foundation. And that slide sent a piano straight at him.

that’s a long time to be trying to push a piano uphill.

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Date: 6/10/2024 13:07:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2202465
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


Heavy rain and loose soil combined during the storm to push his home 20 feet off of its foundation. And that slide sent a piano straight at him.

that’s a long time to be trying to push a piano uphill.

Wonder how many people have been killed by pianos.

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Date: 6/10/2024 13:08:29
From: Michael V
ID: 2202466
Subject: re: Helene

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Heavy rain and loose soil combined during the storm to push his home 20 feet off of its foundation. And that slide sent a piano straight at him.

that’s a long time to be trying to push a piano uphill.

Wonder how many people have been killed by pianos.

Heaps, particularly in cartoons.

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Date: 6/10/2024 13:09:19
From: dv
ID: 2202469
Subject: re: Helene

That’s some Bugs Bunny nonsense

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Date: 6/10/2024 15:02:31
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2202522
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


Heavy rain and loose soil combined during the storm to push his home 20 feet off of its foundation. And that slide sent a piano straight at him.

that’s a long time to be trying to push a piano uphill.

You could be trying to move one from Paris to London …

Cue Napoleon’s Piano – as heard on the BBC (along with our ABC), and various other fan clubs.

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Date: 6/10/2024 15:10:14
From: Michael V
ID: 2202526
Subject: re: Helene

AussieDJ said:


sarahs mum said:

Heavy rain and loose soil combined during the storm to push his home 20 feet off of its foundation. And that slide sent a piano straight at him.

that’s a long time to be trying to push a piano uphill.

You could be trying to move one from Paris to London …

Cue Napoleon’s Piano – as heard on the BBC (along with our ABC), and various other fan clubs.

“My hese gorillas are strong.”

“Here have one of my monkeys. They’re milder.”

IIRC

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Date: 6/10/2024 15:23:32
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202531
Subject: re: Helene


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag-hb45J6MQ

This woman was so articulate and together. Considering. It’s getting rarer to see Americans like that.

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Date: 6/10/2024 15:23:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202533
Subject: re: Helene

AussieDJ said:


sarahs mum said:

Heavy rain and loose soil combined during the storm to push his home 20 feet off of its foundation. And that slide sent a piano straight at him.

that’s a long time to be trying to push a piano uphill.

You could be trying to move one from Paris to London …

Cue Napoleon’s Piano – as heard on the BBC (along with our ABC), and various other fan clubs.

I remember.

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Date: 6/10/2024 16:14:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202543
Subject: re: Helene



Chimney Rock, NC.

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Date: 6/10/2024 16:22:51
From: party_pants
ID: 2202545
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:




Chimney Rock, NC.

That Yahweh sure is a vengeful arsehole.

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Date: 6/10/2024 16:28:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202547
Subject: re: Helene

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:



Chimney Rock, NC.

That Yahweh sure is a vengeful arsehole.

Maybe they should have bought Trump bibles?

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Date: 6/10/2024 16:31:42
From: Michael V
ID: 2202548
Subject: re: Helene

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:



Chimney Rock, NC.

That Yahweh sure is a vengeful arsehole.

Apparently, the weather is supposed to be controlled by the Democrats.

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Date: 6/10/2024 16:34:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202549
Subject: re: Helene

you gotta feel sorry for people who not only have lost their homes, but their title is now river and rock.

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Date: 6/10/2024 16:36:33
From: Michael V
ID: 2202550
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


you gotta feel sorry for people who not only have lost their homes, but their title is now river and rock.

Yes, yes, yes.

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Date: 6/10/2024 16:37:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202551
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


you gotta feel sorry for people who not only have lost their homes, but their title is now river and rock.

Yes. That must be devastating. Not even got a safe place to put a tent.

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Date: 6/10/2024 16:59:18
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2202553
Subject: re: Helene

This girl got something to say.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1842598972289937408/pu/vid/avc1/576×1024/XOhB_TqRltB6XDMM.mp4?tag=12

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Date: 6/10/2024 17:12:09
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202557
Subject: re: Helene

Dark Orange said:

This girl got something to say.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1842598972289937408/pu/vid/avc1/576×1024/XOhB_TqRltB6XDMM.mp4?tag=12

worthy rant.

also Biden and Harris are not Hawaii. streaks ahead.

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Date: 6/10/2024 17:20:08
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202559
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


Dark Orange said:

This girl got something to say.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1842598972289937408/pu/vid/avc1/576×1024/XOhB_TqRltB6XDMM.mp4?tag=12

worthy rant.

also Biden and Harris are not Hawaii. streaks ahead.

not in Hawaii.

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Date: 6/10/2024 20:52:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202608
Subject: re: Helene


Marshall, Madison County
The French Broad River crested at 27 feet breaking the record of the Great Flood of 1916.

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Date: 7/10/2024 16:33:08
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202724
Subject: re: Helene

Milton intensifies.

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Date: 7/10/2024 16:34:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202725
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


Milton intensifies.

this type of weather forecasting is a bit amazing to me. I checked in on helene before she made landfall and I thought it was going to be a bit of a non event. silly me. glad I am not running the show.

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Date: 7/10/2024 16:50:18
From: Michael V
ID: 2202727
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

Milton intensifies.

this type of weather forecasting is a bit amazing to me. I checked in on helene before she made landfall and I thought it was going to be a bit of a non event. silly me. glad I am not running the show.

Here’s a good jumping off page for Milton; It contains the most up-to date information from NOAA. Click on the pictures to get higher resolution and an explanation:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?start#contents

Milton’s NOAA front page is here:

https://www.noaa.gov/milton

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Date: 7/10/2024 16:59:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202728
Subject: re: Helene

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Milton intensifies.

this type of weather forecasting is a bit amazing to me. I checked in on helene before she made landfall and I thought it was going to be a bit of a non event. silly me. glad I am not running the show.

Here’s a good jumping off page for Milton; It contains the most up-to date information from NOAA. Click on the pictures to get higher resolution and an explanation:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?start#contents

Milton’s NOAA front page is here:

https://www.noaa.gov/milton

ta. :)

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Date: 7/10/2024 17:13:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2202730
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


Milton intensifies.

Six drops of The Essence of Terror
Five drops of Sinister Sauce

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Date: 7/10/2024 17:43:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2202731
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

this type of weather forecasting is a bit amazing to me. I checked in on helene before she made landfall and I thought it was going to be a bit of a non event. silly me. glad I am not running the show.

Here’s a good jumping off page for Milton; It contains the most up-to date information from NOAA. Click on the pictures to get higher resolution and an explanation:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?start#contents

Milton’s NOAA front page is here:

https://www.noaa.gov/milton

ta. :)

I relied on NOAA information to help me make operational decisions at the gold mine I worked at in Jamaica. We had two hurricanes in ten days. Both names (Lili & Isadore) have been retired because of the death and destruction they caused.

As a child we travelled by ship through Hurricane Betsy (name retired too – the first hurricane to cause over a billion dollars damage). That was very exciting, especially with the height of the open-ocean waves.

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Date: 7/10/2024 18:01:59
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2202738
Subject: re: Helene

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Here’s a good jumping off page for Milton; It contains the most up-to date information from NOAA. Click on the pictures to get higher resolution and an explanation:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?start#contents

Milton’s NOAA front page is here:

https://www.noaa.gov/milton

ta. :)

I relied on NOAA information to help me make operational decisions at the gold mine I worked at in Jamaica. We had two hurricanes in ten days. Both names (Lili & Isadore) have been retired because of the death and destruction they caused.

As a child we travelled by ship through Hurricane Betsy (name retired too – the first hurricane to cause over a billion dollars damage). That was very exciting, especially with the height of the open-ocean waves.

Ooooh, shudder.

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Date: 7/10/2024 18:07:12
From: Michael V
ID: 2202742
Subject: re: Helene

Peak Warming Man said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

ta. :)

I relied on NOAA information to help me make operational decisions at the gold mine I worked at in Jamaica. We had two hurricanes in ten days. Both names (Lili & Isadore) have been retired because of the death and destruction they caused.

As a child we travelled by ship through Hurricane Betsy (name retired too – the first hurricane to cause over a billion dollars damage). That was very exciting, especially with the height of the open-ocean waves.

Ooooh, shudder.

Ha! The whole ship shuddered when the screws came out of the water and the motors momentarily over-revved. They were normally 35 feet below the ocean’s surface.

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Date: 7/10/2024 18:34:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2202744
Subject: re: Helene

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

I relied on NOAA information to help me make operational decisions at the gold mine I worked at in Jamaica. We had two hurricanes in ten days. Both names (Lili & Isadore) have been retired because of the death and destruction they caused.

As a child we travelled by ship through Hurricane Betsy (name retired too – the first hurricane to cause over a billion dollars damage). That was very exciting, especially with the height of the open-ocean waves.

Ooooh, shudder.

Ha! The whole ship shuddered when the screws came out of the water and the motors momentarily over-revved. They were normally 35 feet below the ocean’s surface.

Oh give me the flashing brine
The spray and the tempest’s roar
A life on the ocean wave
A home on the rolling deep…

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Date: 7/10/2024 23:31:32
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202809
Subject: re: Helene

The remains of the route between Bat Cave and Lake Lure

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Date: 8/10/2024 00:04:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2202813
Subject: re: Helene

hey remember how there was supposedly a worldwide shortage of medical water

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/10/04/g-s1-26383/iv-fluids-shortage-baxter-hurricane-helene

LOL ahahahahahaha oh fuck

As the remnants of Hurricane Helene moved inland, the storm flooded a factory that makes intravenous fluids used in hospitals around the country. The Baxter International factory in Marion, N.C., about 35 miles outside of Asheville, was evacuated right before the worst of the storm passed, according to social media posts from employees. It’s now shut down and covered in mud — like a lot of western North Carolina. Bridges leading to the facility were also badly damaged. The facility is one of the largest suppliers of IV fluids in the country, the Food and Drug Administration says. Baxter says it will spare no expense to get the factory back online, but the company doesn’t “have a timeline for when operations will be back up and running.”

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Date: 8/10/2024 00:58:36
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202820
Subject: re: Helene

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Date: 8/10/2024 01:32:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202821
Subject: re: Helene

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Date: 8/10/2024 01:35:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202822
Subject: re: Helene

two hours to go from cat 2 to cat 4.

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Date: 8/10/2024 01:42:13
From: Kingy
ID: 2202823
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


two hours to go from cat 2 to cat 4.

Sounds a bit dodgy. They were expecting a cat 3 at landfall.

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Date: 8/10/2024 01:44:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202824
Subject: re: Helene

Kingy said:


sarahs mum said:

two hours to go from cat 2 to cat 4.

Sounds a bit dodgy. They were expecting a cat 3 at landfall.

they are expecting it to stall before the coast.

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Date: 8/10/2024 09:16:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202838
Subject: re: Helene

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

I relied on NOAA information to help me make operational decisions at the gold mine I worked at in Jamaica. We had two hurricanes in ten days. Both names (Lili & Isadore) have been retired because of the death and destruction they caused.

As a child we travelled by ship through Hurricane Betsy (name retired too – the first hurricane to cause over a billion dollars damage). That was very exciting, especially with the height of the open-ocean waves.

Ooooh, shudder.

Ha! The whole ship shuddered when the screws came out of the water and the motors momentarily over-revved. They were normally 35 feet below the ocean’s surface.

I don’t think I could have enjoyed that experience.

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Date: 8/10/2024 09:47:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2202849
Subject: re: Helene

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Ooooh, shudder.

Ha! The whole ship shuddered when the screws came out of the water and the motors momentarily over-revved. They were normally 35 feet below the ocean’s surface.

I don’t think I could have enjoyed that experience.

Don’t forget: when the bits at the back which were usually 35 feet under the water weresticking up inthe air, the bits at the front which were usually 35 feet above the water were that much closer to it.

Would have been quite exciting up at the sharp end.

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Date: 8/10/2024 09:55:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202851
Subject: re: Helene

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Ha! The whole ship shuddered when the screws came out of the water and the motors momentarily over-revved. They were normally 35 feet below the ocean’s surface.

I don’t think I could have enjoyed that experience.

Don’t forget: when the bits at the back which were usually 35 feet under the water weresticking up inthe air, the bits at the front which were usually 35 feet above the water were that much closer to it.

Would have been quite exciting up at the sharp end.

It was fun enough on crossing Bass Strait on the ferry with swells of 5 to 9m.
It was New Years Eve and the decks were running with pink stuff. I didn’t think being drunk was a good idea. So I stayed on deck for a lot of the night because it was difficult to sleep when the bed was this end up that end down over and over. Wasn’t seasick though.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:04:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2202857
Subject: re: Helene

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Ooooh, shudder.

Ha! The whole ship shuddered when the screws came out of the water and the motors momentarily over-revved. They were normally 35 feet below the ocean’s surface.

I don’t think I could have enjoyed that experience.

I mightn’t now, but as an eleven-year-old, it was exciting as all get-out.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:07:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202859
Subject: re: Helene

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Ha! The whole ship shuddered when the screws came out of the water and the motors momentarily over-revved. They were normally 35 feet below the ocean’s surface.

I don’t think I could have enjoyed that experience.

I mightn’t now, but as an eleven-year-old, it was exciting as all get-out.

Yeah. :) Life was a lot of fun at that age.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:16:01
From: Michael V
ID: 2202860
Subject: re: Helene

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Ha! The whole ship shuddered when the screws came out of the water and the motors momentarily over-revved. They were normally 35 feet below the ocean’s surface.

I don’t think I could have enjoyed that experience.

Don’t forget: when the bits at the back which were usually 35 feet under the water were sticking up in the air, the bits at the front which were usually 35 feet above the water were that much closer to it.

Would have been quite exciting up at the sharp end.

It was exciting from the ship’s bridge, as the bow buried itself deep into the water, and rushed up to meet the bridge. (This liner – the Canberra – didn’t fit under the Sydney Harbour Bridge.)

It was an amazing experience. I was the only child who ate dinner at that time, and there were less than 30 adults eating. (Virtually everyone was seasick.) They combined adults and children for meals. It was the best food all voyage (the kids’ food was rubbish). I got invited to the Captain’s table to eat, and when he found out that we shared surnames, I was invited to the bridge the next day. It was amazing.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:19:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202864
Subject: re: Helene

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

I don’t think I could have enjoyed that experience.

Don’t forget: when the bits at the back which were usually 35 feet under the water were sticking up in the air, the bits at the front which were usually 35 feet above the water were that much closer to it.

Would have been quite exciting up at the sharp end.

It was exciting from the ship’s bridge, as the bow buried itself deep into the water, and rushed up to meet the bridge. (This liner – the Canberra – didn’t fit under the Sydney Harbour Bridge.)

It was an amazing experience. I was the only child who ate dinner at that time, and there were less than 30 adults eating. (Virtually everyone was seasick.) They combined adults and children for meals. It was the best food all voyage (the kids’ food was rubbish). I got invited to the Captain’s table to eat, and when he found out that we shared surnames, I was invited to the bridge the next day. It was amazing.

What a wonderful experience. You would have been too excited to be seasick.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:23:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2202865
Subject: re: Helene

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

I don’t think I could have enjoyed that experience.

I mightn’t now, but as an eleven-year-old, it was exciting as all get-out.

Yeah. :) Life was a lot of fun at that age.

unless you had to work down pit!

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:26:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202867
Subject: re: Helene

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I mightn’t now, but as an eleven-year-old, it was exciting as all get-out.

Yeah. :) Life was a lot of fun at that age.

unless you had to work down pit!

Thankfully, I was not forced to dig coal.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:37:41
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2202871
Subject: re: Helene

How much energy did Helene generate?

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:40:26
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2202874
Subject: re: Helene

Tau.Neutrino said:


How much energy did Helene generate?

None.

Almost all the energy of natural phenomena such as hurricanes is generated by the Sun.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:51:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2202880
Subject: re: Helene

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

How much energy did Helene generate?

None.

Almost all the energy of natural phenomena such as hurricanes is generated by the Sun.

seems unfair, all the energy of natural phenomena such as suns is generated by the big bang or something

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:51:26
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2202881
Subject: re: Helene

roughbarked said:

It was fun enough on crossing Bass Strait on the ferry with swells of 5 to 9m.
It was New Years Eve and the decks were running with pink stuff. I didn’t think being drunk was a good idea. So I stayed on deck for a lot of the night because it was difficult to sleep when the bed was this end up that end down over and over. Wasn’t seasick though.

don’t know if it’s still the case, but it used to be that, in warships, each bunk was fitted with two nylon seat-belt-type straps, which you could extend over yourself from side to side, and which clipped onto the bunk frame.

These were to keep you from being thrown out of your bunk during rough weather. That was particularly relevant if you were in the top or the middle bunk of a ‘stack’ of three. In a few American-designed ships, there was some spaces where bunks were stacked four high, and you could be sleeping 8 feet above a steel deck.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:52:30
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2202882
Subject: re: Helene

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

How much energy did Helene generate?

None.

Almost all the energy of natural phenomena such as hurricanes is generated by the Sun.

seems unfair, all the energy of natural phenomena such as suns is generated by the big bang or something

gravity.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:54:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2202884
Subject: re: Helene

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

I don’t think I could have enjoyed that experience.

Don’t forget: when the bits at the back which were usually 35 feet under the water were sticking up in the air, the bits at the front which were usually 35 feet above the water were that much closer to it.

Would have been quite exciting up at the sharp end.

It was exciting from the ship’s bridge, as the bow buried itself deep into the water, and rushed up to meet the bridge. (This liner – the Canberra – didn’t fit under the Sydney Harbour Bridge.)

It was an amazing experience. I was the only child who ate dinner at that time, and there were less than 30 adults eating. (Virtually everyone was seasick.) They combined adults and children for meals. It was the best food all voyage (the kids’ food was rubbish). I got invited to the Captain’s table to eat, and when he found out that we shared surnames, I was invited to the bridge the next day. It was amazing.

Wouldn’t happen these days.

For all they know, you might be a midget extremist terrorist, with your insides stuffed full of plastic explosives, hell-bent on commandeering the ship, and running it into the Statue of Liberty or something.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:54:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2202885
Subject: re: Helene

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

How much energy did Helene generate?

None.

Almost all the energy of natural phenomena such as hurricanes is generated by the Sun.

Good point.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:54:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2202886
Subject: re: Helene

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

How much energy did Helene generate?

None.

Almost all the energy of natural phenomena such as hurricanes is generated by the Sun.

Good point.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:56:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202888
Subject: re: Helene

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

It was fun enough on crossing Bass Strait on the ferry with swells of 5 to 9m.
It was New Years Eve and the decks were running with pink stuff. I didn’t think being drunk was a good idea. So I stayed on deck for a lot of the night because it was difficult to sleep when the bed was this end up that end down over and over. Wasn’t seasick though.

don’t know if it’s still the case, but it used to be that, in warships, each bunk was fitted with two nylon seat-belt-type straps, which you could extend over yourself from side to side, and which clipped onto the bunk frame.

These were to keep you from being thrown out of your bunk during rough weather. That was particularly relevant if you were in the top or the middle bunk of a ‘stack’ of three. In a few American-designed ships, there was some spaces where bunks were stacked four high, and you could be sleeping 8 feet above a steel deck.

Not the best way to be woken up. Slamming into a steel deck.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:59:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2202889
Subject: re: Helene

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

None.

Almost all the energy of natural phenomena such as hurricanes is generated by the Sun.

seems unfair, all the energy of natural phenomena such as suns is generated by the big bang or something

gravity.

Seems quite reasonable to me to call the conversion of mass to energy in nuclear fusion “generation”, but not to use that term for the conversion of thermal energy to dynamic energy, as happens in weather events.

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Date: 8/10/2024 10:59:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2202890
Subject: re: Helene

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

None.

Almost all the energy of natural phenomena such as hurricanes is generated by the Sun.

seems unfair, all the energy of natural phenomena such as suns is generated by the big bang or something

gravity.

Seems quite reasonable to me to call the conversion of mass to energy in nuclear fusion “generation”, but not to use that term for the conversion of thermal energy to dynamic energy, as happens in weather events.

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:00:41
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2202891
Subject: re: Helene

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

It was fun enough on crossing Bass Strait on the ferry with swells of 5 to 9m.
It was New Years Eve and the decks were running with pink stuff. I didn’t think being drunk was a good idea. So I stayed on deck for a lot of the night because it was difficult to sleep when the bed was this end up that end down over and over. Wasn’t seasick though.

don’t know if it’s still the case, but it used to be that, in warships, each bunk was fitted with two nylon seat-belt-type straps, which you could extend over yourself from side to side, and which clipped onto the bunk frame.

These were to keep you from being thrown out of your bunk during rough weather. That was particularly relevant if you were in the top or the middle bunk of a ‘stack’ of three. In a few American-designed ships, there was some spaces where bunks were stacked four high, and you could be sleeping 8 feet above a steel deck.

Not the best way to be woken up. Slamming into a steel deck.

I reckon that, if it happened in that four-high stack, you’d have probably been thrown horizontally first, slammed into the bulkhead (wall), and then descended to the steel deck.

If you were lucky, you’d miss the rack of inert practice shells for the 5-inch gun on the deck above.

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:01:25
From: Michael V
ID: 2202893
Subject: re: Helene

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

It was fun enough on crossing Bass Strait on the ferry with swells of 5 to 9m.
It was New Years Eve and the decks were running with pink stuff. I didn’t think being drunk was a good idea. So I stayed on deck for a lot of the night because it was difficult to sleep when the bed was this end up that end down over and over. Wasn’t seasick though.

don’t know if it’s still the case, but it used to be that, in warships, each bunk was fitted with two nylon seat-belt-type straps, which you could extend over yourself from side to side, and which clipped onto the bunk frame.

These were to keep you from being thrown out of your bunk during rough weather. That was particularly relevant if you were in the top or the middle bunk of a ‘stack’ of three. In a few American-designed ships, there was some spaces where bunks were stacked four high, and you could be sleeping 8 feet above a steel deck.

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:01:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202894
Subject: re: Helene

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

don’t know if it’s still the case, but it used to be that, in warships, each bunk was fitted with two nylon seat-belt-type straps, which you could extend over yourself from side to side, and which clipped onto the bunk frame.

These were to keep you from being thrown out of your bunk during rough weather. That was particularly relevant if you were in the top or the middle bunk of a ‘stack’ of three. In a few American-designed ships, there was some spaces where bunks were stacked four high, and you could be sleeping 8 feet above a steel deck.

Not the best way to be woken up. Slamming into a steel deck.

I reckon that, if it happened in that four-high stack, you’d have probably been thrown horizontally first, slammed into the bulkhead (wall), and then descended to the steel deck.

If you were lucky, you’d miss the rack of inert practice shells for the 5-inch gun on the deck above.

Ouch!

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:02:13
From: Michael V
ID: 2202895
Subject: re: Helene

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Don’t forget: when the bits at the back which were usually 35 feet under the water were sticking up in the air, the bits at the front which were usually 35 feet above the water were that much closer to it.

Would have been quite exciting up at the sharp end.

It was exciting from the ship’s bridge, as the bow buried itself deep into the water, and rushed up to meet the bridge. (This liner – the Canberra – didn’t fit under the Sydney Harbour Bridge.)

It was an amazing experience. I was the only child who ate dinner at that time, and there were less than 30 adults eating. (Virtually everyone was seasick.) They combined adults and children for meals. It was the best food all voyage (the kids’ food was rubbish). I got invited to the Captain’s table to eat, and when he found out that we shared surnames, I was invited to the bridge the next day. It was amazing.

Wouldn’t happen these days.

For all they know, you might be a midget extremist terrorist, with your insides stuffed full of plastic explosives, hell-bent on commandeering the ship, and running it into the Statue of Liberty or something.

1965.

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:03:27
From: dv
ID: 2202898
Subject: re: Helene

Perhaps he meant how much additional electrical energy was added to the grid. It wouldn’t surprise me if there was a bit more output in Texas but note that the turbines have to shut down in extreme winds.

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:03:58
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2202899
Subject: re: Helene

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

How much energy did Helene generate?

None.

Almost all the energy of natural phenomena such as hurricanes is generated by the Sun.


Ok.
Well how many fat mans did the sun generate in Helene?

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:06:42
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2202902
Subject: re: Helene

dv said:


Perhaps he meant how much additional electrical energy was added to the grid. It wouldn’t surprise me if there was a bit more output in Texas but note that the turbines have to shut down in extreme winds.

So probably nett negative electricity generation.

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:06:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2202903
Subject: re: Helene

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

It was exciting from the ship’s bridge, as the bow buried itself deep into the water, and rushed up to meet the bridge. (This liner – the Canberra – didn’t fit under the Sydney Harbour Bridge.)

It was an amazing experience. I was the only child who ate dinner at that time, and there were less than 30 adults eating. (Virtually everyone was seasick.) They combined adults and children for meals. It was the best food all voyage (the kids’ food was rubbish). I got invited to the Captain’s table to eat, and when he found out that we shared surnames, I was invited to the bridge the next day. It was amazing.

Wouldn’t happen these days.

For all they know, you might be a midget extremist terrorist, with your insides stuffed full of plastic explosives, hell-bent on commandeering the ship, and running it into the Statue of Liberty or something.

1965.

Yes, they’d do tour of the bridge into the 1970s.

I had a look at the bridge of the Sitmar ships.

The tour i was on, there was a stunning young lady in the group. Two of the crew (Italians, as were many of them) were having a quiet conversation.

My Italian extends to only a few words, but i caught the word ‘ragazza’ more than once. It didn’t take much to guess at the content of the conversation.

It went on until the young lady asked a question of one of the officers. In what seemed to be fluent Italian.

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:11:45
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2202905
Subject: re: Helene

dv said:


Perhaps he meant how much additional electrical energy was added to the grid. It wouldn’t surprise me if there was a bit more output in Texas but note that the turbines have to shut down in extreme winds.

How long could Helene power a 100 watt light bulb.

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:12:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202906
Subject: re: Helene

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Wouldn’t happen these days.

For all they know, you might be a midget extremist terrorist, with your insides stuffed full of plastic explosives, hell-bent on commandeering the ship, and running it into the Statue of Liberty or something.

1965.

Yes, they’d do tour of the bridge into the 1970s.

I had a look at the bridge of the Sitmar ships.

The tour i was on, there was a stunning young lady in the group. Two of the crew (Italians, as were many of them) were having a quiet conversation.

My Italian extends to only a few words, but i caught the word ‘ragazza’ more than once. It didn’t take much to guess at the content of the conversation.

It went on until the young lady asked a question of one of the officers. In what seemed to be fluent Italian.

lass

noun: girl, girlfriend, gal, lass, maid, missy, moll.

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:13:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202907
Subject: re: Helene

Tau.Neutrino said:


dv said:

Perhaps he meant how much additional electrical energy was added to the grid. It wouldn’t surprise me if there was a bit more output in Texas but note that the turbines have to shut down in extreme winds.

How long could Helene power a 100 watt light bulb.

Weren’t you just told that Helene didn’t generate energy?

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:30:35
From: dv
ID: 2202918
Subject: re: Helene

I’ve been talking up the wind sector in Texas but what I didn’t know until just now is that 40% of Oklahoma’s power also comes from wind.

Most of the USA’s low hanging fruit in terms of onshore wind generation potential lies in a belt from Texas to the Great Plains, mostly covering Republican-dominated states. (Of course there is massive offshore potential along the entire coast.)

It’s kind of funny that as much as DJT blathers about “windmills” causing brain cancer, Republican states have been going ahead with windpower expansion because it’s just economic sense.

As of 2023, the portion of the USA’s power that comes from fossil fuels is about the same as Australia’s: 60%.

The biggest windfarm outside of China is being built in New Mexico right now, expected to be completed by 2026.

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:39:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2202919
Subject: re: Helene

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

seems unfair, all the energy of natural phenomena such as suns is generated by the big bang or something

gravity.

Seems quite reasonable to me to call the conversion of mass to energy in nuclear fusion “generation”, but not to use that term for the conversion of thermal energy to dynamic energy, as happens in weather events.

perhaps or perhaps not since it’s all just the conversion of massenergy to massenergy so why is one more specifically generative than another

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Date: 8/10/2024 11:42:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2202920
Subject: re: Helene

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Perhaps he meant how much additional electrical energy was added to the grid. It wouldn’t surprise me if there was a bit more output in Texas but note that the turbines have to shut down in extreme winds.

How long could Helene power a 100 watt light bulb.

Weren’t you just told that Helene didn’t generate energy?

seems unfair though like the internet wants to sell us these

but would we be able to demand that they are supplied for free because they don’t actually generate

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Date: 8/10/2024 12:06:43
From: Michael V
ID: 2202924
Subject: re: Helene

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Wouldn’t happen these days.

For all they know, you might be a midget extremist terrorist, with your insides stuffed full of plastic explosives, hell-bent on commandeering the ship, and running it into the Statue of Liberty or something.

1965.

Yes, they’d do tour of the bridge into the 1970s.

I had a look at the bridge of the Sitmar ships.

The tour i was on, there was a stunning young lady in the group. Two of the crew (Italians, as were many of them) were having a quiet conversation.

My Italian extends to only a few words, but i caught the word ‘ragazza’ more than once. It didn’t take much to guess at the content of the conversation.

It went on until the young lady asked a question of one of the officers. In what seemed to be fluent Italian.

:)

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Date: 8/10/2024 12:10:36
From: dv
ID: 2202925
Subject: re: Helene

And so you see, high winds cause people to vote Republican.

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Date: 8/10/2024 12:17:01
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2202926
Subject: re: Helene

dv said:


And so you see, high winds cause people to vote Republican.

that’s cos the dynamo hum has affected their brains.

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Date: 8/10/2024 12:18:45
From: Michael V
ID: 2202927
Subject: re: Helene

dv said:


And so you see, high winds cause people to vote Republican.

Or maybe they have high wind because they vote republican. Likely God would reduce the winds if they were less selfish and voted Democrat.

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Date: 8/10/2024 12:19:47
From: Michael V
ID: 2202928
Subject: re: Helene

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

And so you see, high winds cause people to vote Republican.

that’s cos the dynamo hum has affected their brains.

Republican affectation?

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Date: 8/10/2024 12:27:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202929
Subject: re: Helene

Republicans refuse to go back and vote on disaster relief.

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Date: 8/10/2024 12:31:09
From: Michael V
ID: 2202930
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


Republicans refuse to go back and vote on disaster relief.

If true – ‘ken arseholes.

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Date: 8/10/2024 12:45:20
From: Michael V
ID: 2202932
Subject: re: Helene

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Republicans refuse to go back and vote on disaster relief.

If true – ‘ken arseholes.

Also, why would anybody vote for people who are so wicked?

I don’t get it.

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Date: 8/10/2024 13:10:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2202933
Subject: re: Helene

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Republicans refuse to go back and vote on disaster relief.

If true – ‘ken arseholes.

Also, why would anybody vote for people who are so wicked?

I don’t get it.

because Ukrainian bots tell you to?

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Date: 8/10/2024 13:35:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2202934
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

Michael V said:

If true – ‘ken arseholes.

Also, why would anybody vote for people who are so wicked?

I don’t get it.

because Ukrainian bots tell you to?

why would ukranians want trump to be president?

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Date: 8/10/2024 13:37:13
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2202935
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

Michael V said:

If true – ‘ken arseholes.

Also, why would anybody vote for people who are so wicked?

I don’t get it.

because Ukrainian bots tell you to?

?

It’s Putin who wants the Republicans to win.

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Date: 8/10/2024 13:53:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2202939
Subject: re: Helene

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Also, why would anybody vote for people who are so wicked?

I don’t get it.

because Ukrainian bots tell you to?

?

It’s Putin who wants the Republicans to win.

so XiJinPing is the good guy

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Date: 8/10/2024 17:21:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2203005
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


Kingy said:

sarahs mum said:

two hours to go from cat 2 to cat 4.

Sounds a bit dodgy. They were expecting a cat 3 at landfall.

they are expecting it to stall before the coast.

How powerful might Milton be?
Milton was classified as a tropical storm on Sunday afternoon, local time, but in less than 24 hours it “explosively” morphed into a category five — the third-fastest intensifying storm on record in the Atlantic Ocean, according to the United States National Hurricane Center.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-08/hurricane-milton-set-to-traverse-florida-west-coast-and-mexico/104443358

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Date: 8/10/2024 17:23:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2203006
Subject: re: Helene

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Also, why would anybody vote for people who are so wicked?

I don’t get it.

because Ukrainian bots tell you to?

?

It’s Putin who wants the Republicans to win.

sorry. it’s been sometime since Ukrainian bots. And they were always Russian bots.

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Date: 8/10/2024 17:23:44
From: furious
ID: 2203007
Subject: re: Helene

Well, he could set the building on fire…

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Date: 8/10/2024 23:05:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2203042
Subject: re: Helene

Hurricane Milton’s magnitude brings veteran meteorologist to tears

could be needing a new thread.

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Date: 8/10/2024 23:06:58
From: party_pants
ID: 2203043
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


Hurricane Milton’s magnitude brings veteran meteorologist to tears

could be needing a new thread.

yeah, go on.

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Date: 9/10/2024 19:21:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2203214
Subject: re: Helene



Link

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Date: 9/10/2024 19:35:10
From: Michael V
ID: 2203220
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:




Link

Huh!

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Date: 25/10/2024 15:49:08
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2208634
Subject: re: Helene

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Date: 25/10/2024 15:53:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208638
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:



I suppose that’s not a lot compared to what it will cost to put Gaza back together.

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Date: 25/10/2024 16:30:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2208649
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


so uh will that “arduous” “journey” “to a clean energy economy” be worth it now hey

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Date: 25/10/2024 16:31:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2208652
Subject: re: Helene

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:


I suppose that’s not a lot compared to what it will cost to put Gaza back together.

look if yous all want to get all irredentist about all these things then why not just return it to the dirt and saltwater that it was before … oh wait that’s exactly it

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Date: 25/10/2024 16:36:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2208656
Subject: re: Helene

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:


so uh will that “arduous” “journey” “to a clean energy economy” be worth it now hey

for some reason some are calling it a geological disaster.

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Date: 27/11/2024 22:53:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2219521
Subject: re: Helene

so the Pennsylvanian amish made lots of tiny houses. but they were not allowed to deliver any. got to play the applications and building code game.

FEMA accommodations dollars are running out. People are living in tents. It’s getting pretty cold. stories about how people who have children in tents are having their children taken away into care.

lots of houses that survived have mould.

and it’s all the democrats fault.

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Date: 27/11/2024 23:02:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 2219522
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


so the Pennsylvanian amish made lots of tiny houses. but they were not allowed to deliver any. got to play the applications and building code game.

FEMA accommodations dollars are running out. People are living in tents. It’s getting pretty cold. stories about how people who have children in tents are having their children taken away into care.

lots of houses that survived have mould.

and it’s all the democrats fault.

Thought it was only Trump who could move cyclones hurricanes about?

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Date: 27/11/2024 23:06:41
From: party_pants
ID: 2219523
Subject: re: Helene

sarahs mum said:


so the Pennsylvanian amish made lots of tiny houses. but they were not allowed to deliver any. got to play the applications and building code game.

FEMA accommodations dollars are running out. People are living in tents. It’s getting pretty cold. stories about how people who have children in tents are having their children taken away into care.

lots of houses that survived have mould.

and it’s all the democrats fault.

The Pennsylvania Amish don’t vote.

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Date: 27/11/2024 23:08:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2219524
Subject: re: Helene

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

so the Pennsylvanian amish made lots of tiny houses. but they were not allowed to deliver any. got to play the applications and building code game.

FEMA accommodations dollars are running out. People are living in tents. It’s getting pretty cold. stories about how people who have children in tents are having their children taken away into care.

lots of houses that survived have mould.

and it’s all the democrats fault.

The Pennsylvania Amish don’t vote.

lots of amish voting these days.

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Date: 27/11/2024 23:23:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2219525
Subject: re: Helene

“I can tell you there are many who are going to be voting for the first time and voting Republican.”

This is how raw milk helped Donald Trump win the vote of the Amish in Pennsylvania.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNbDbaF9Hvc&t=15s

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