The new Northern Territory government will lower the age of criminal responsibility from 12 to 10 in its first parliament sittings.

Experts in adolescent health and wellbeing have strongly criticised the government’s plan, which they say will lead to more reoffending.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-05/nt-government-clp-to-lower-criminal-responsibility-age-12-to-10/104355606

dv said:

The new Northern Territory government will lower the age of criminal responsibility from 12 to 10 in its first parliament sittings.

Experts in adolescent health and wellbeing have strongly criticised the government’s plan, which they say will lead to more reoffending.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-05/nt-government-clp-to-lower-criminal-responsibility-age-12-to-10/104355606

Seems a bit retrogressive to me. I mean, when has that ever worked before?

party_pants said:

dv said:

The new Northern Territory government will lower the age of criminal responsibility from 12 to 10 in its first parliament sittings.

Experts in adolescent health and wellbeing have strongly criticised the government’s plan, which they say will lead to more reoffending.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-05/nt-government-clp-to-lower-criminal-responsibility-age-12-to-10/104355606

Seems a bit retrogressive to me. I mean, when has that ever worked before?

Never?

Cox apologises as more former Greens staff allege bullying

By James Massola
October 4, 2024 — 3.40pm

Greens senator Dorinda Cox has apologised for any “shortcomings” in her office but hit out at coverage of bullying allegations as two more women allege mistreatment by Cox.

The additional allegations pile pressure on party leader Adam Bandt to address the complaints rather than directing them to a parliamentary support agency powerless to discipline MPs.

This masthead revealed on Wednesday that Cox had lost 20 staff in three years, with several lodging formal complaints with the Parliamentary Workplace Support Service (PWSS) and Bandt’s office, alleging bullying and a hostile culture, in some cases seeing staff reduced to tears.

Cox, a Yamatji-Noongar woman, said in a statement on Friday that there was “disappointingly significant missing context” in reporting on her office, which was responsible for five portfolios and Australia’s largest electorate. The pandemic, setting up two offices, leading committee inquiries and the Voice referendum were further challenges, she said.

“As the employer, I take responsibility for any shortcomings in what has occurred during this period and I apologise for the distress this may have caused,” Cox said.

Lou Hendricks, a former journalist with decades of experience, and Vivienne Glance, a current Greens WA state candidate, both said on Friday they had decided to speak to support the other staff who went public with allegations against the Greens’ First Nations spokeswoman earlier this week.

Hendricks, who worked for Cox for about nine months as media adviser before quitting in March this year, said she had raised concerns with Bandt’s office and with the PWSS “on numerous occasions” but the situation had not improved.

“I did my best to support colleagues experiencing behaviours that are typically regarded as bullying while also experiencing similar, and trying to keep myself safe too,” Hendricks said. “I referred my concerns upward to the leader’s office, particularly when I heard comments about self harm .”

“Staff were anxious, visibly distressed and in some cases speaking about taking their own life which was a huge red flag and demonstrated how seriously their mental health was affected. I found it to be an unnecessarily aggressive environment that was unhealthy, draining and unsustainable.

“Using politics, portfolios or a referendum as excuses for this behaviour is offensive, pathetic and victim blaming,” Hendricks said. “The number of resignations, including senior staff, this year alone tells a strong story.”

In emails seen by this masthead, Hendricks told Cox on February 29 this year that after going on leave “the workplace culture in our EO/parliamentary suite has not improved” and that she was resigning.

Later that morning she emailed a senior staff member in Bandt’s office to notify them of her resignation because “the circumstances in Senator Cox’s office have not been conducive to a psychologically safe workplace”.

The Bandt staffer, who has since left that office and who this masthead has chosen not to name, replied: “you can access an exit interview with the PWSS HR team as part of your resignation process … you are always welcome to call me, at any time before or after your last day”.

In Cox’s statement she said that she had “an immense amount of respect and gratitude to my team who prepare and support me for the work I undertake”. She had received executive coaching and mentoring from former MPs as part of a “proactive approach” to staff wellbeing, Cox said.

“I chose on two occasions to commission independent cultural diagnostic health checks of my office,” Cox said. She said she proactively worked with PWSS on any complaints to improve her team’s culture and wellbeing and had received “consistent and overwhelming support” for her work from her community.

Lou Hendricks and Vivienne Glance have spoken about Greens senator Dorinda Cox to support other former staff.

Vivienne Glance, a Greens candidate at the upcoming WA March state election and former party official who worked as Cox’s constituent liaison and then chief of staff from January 2023 to January 2024, said she had chosen to speak after Aunty Esther Montgomery and Sarah Quinton came forward.

She stressed she did not want to criticise her party but that she had to speak because “during my time working in Senator Cox’s office, I both witnessed and was subjected to what some have described as bullying by her”.

Bandt cut short a press conference in Perth on Thursday after insisting that parliament’s independent workplace support service, PWSS, was the appropriate body to deal with staff issues because it was immune from politics. He reiterated that view on Friday in a statement.

“My staff encouraged every staff member who raised concerns to raise these matters with the PWSS, which is the independent body that has legal powers and responsibility to deal with complaints about MPs and their offices,” Bandt said.

But Glance and Hendricks said the service was ineffective. “After many months, I formed the opinion that there wasn’t much that the PWSS could do to help, other than listening, asking staff what they were doing for ‘self-care’ and talking about ‘cultural diagnostics’,” Hendricks said.

Glance said she was never told the outcome of her complaint to PWSS, which took from January to September this year. “I was told this was because of privacy issues, but these were never explained to me,” Glance said.

Glance said it was essential that MPs be held accountable for “poor conduct that contributes to an unsafe workplace, such as bullying and harassment, unreasonable job demands, poor organisational management, and so on, but the PWSS has limited scope to act” beyond counselling staff.

She said the Special Minister of State, Don Farrell, should strengthen the agency. “Otherwise, the organisation is merely window dressing,” Glance said. Parliament legislated a new independent agency to police workplace standards in politics last month, but it can only hand out fines with bipartisan support.

A spokeswoman for Farrell declined to comment on Cox’s case but said the government had strengthened the support service and enacted a new standards agency.

The PWSS said it does not comment on whether it is involved in specific workplace matters as its support is confidential.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cox-apologises-as-more-former-greens-staff-allege-bullying-20241003-p5kfsc.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

Glance said it was essential that MPs be held accountable for “poor conduct that contributes to an unsafe workplace, such as bullying and harassment, unreasonable job demands, poor organisational management, and so on, but the PWSS has limited scope to act” beyond counselling staff.

She said the Special Minister of State, Don Farrell, should strengthen the agency. “Otherwise, the organisation is merely window dressing,” Glance said. Parliament legislated a new independent agency to police workplace standards in politics last month, but it can only hand out fines with bipartisan support.

A spokeswoman for Farrell declined to comment on Cox’s case but said the government had strengthened the support service and enacted a new standards agency.

The PWSS said it does not comment on whether it is involved in specific workplace matters as its support is confidential.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cox-apologises-as-more-former-greens-staff-allege-bullying-20241003-p5kfsc.html

The Parliamentary Workplace Support Service sounds like a glorified re-naming of ‘the HR dept.’.

And one of the things that most people learn very early in their working lives is that the HR dept. is not there to help you, in any way, shape, or form.

To harp on this a bit further…

Sydney Football Stadium was completely demolished and the surrounding area rehabilitated and a new, state of the art stadium with a capacity twice that of the proposed
At Macq Point. It opened in 2022. Much of the construction was during Covid, driving up costs. Final sticker was $820 million.

Former SA Liberal leader David Speirs to face court charged with drug offences, police confirm

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104436784

dv said:

To harp on this a bit further…

Sydney Football Stadium was completely demolished and the surrounding area rehabilitated and a new, state of the art stadium with a capacity twice that of the proposed
At Macq Point. It opened in 2022. Much of the construction was during Covid, driving up costs. Final sticker was $820 million.

Yes but they probably knew what they were doing.

dv said:

Former SA Liberal leader David Speirs to face court charged with drug offences, police confirm

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104436784

Rather stupid comments from Tarzia:

In relation to Mr Speirs’s comment about “someone pretty sinister behind this”, Mr Tarzia said he did not believe Mr Speirs was referring to someone in the Liberal party.

“I’m not sure if he’s talking about someone in the government or whether he’s talking about someone in his friendship group, I think he made it clear it wasn’t someone in the Liberal party so I don’t think it’s someone in the Liberal party,” Mr Tarzia said.

It is someone in the Liberal party, dumbo – it’s Speirs. He’s the one facing charges.

Think this is a

“In this instance the client purchased a mop bucket from the store for $69,” the submission stated.

“The price of the mop bucket was not displayed in the store and the client was only made aware of the price once it was scanned at the check-out.

“Online research later revealed that the bucket and mop was available for $41 at other retail stores.”

rip off eh, wait until you see this drop ship we have to flog you with¡

Imagine all the unnecessary things said in question time.

And the time that’s wasted by saying all those unnecessary things.

What if question time was analysed by a large language model.

Questions actually answered vs questions not answered and questions partially answered and the times in total for wasted time vs productive time.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-08/stores-without-shelf-grocery-prices-leave-consumers-vulnerable/104421608

There is currently no Australian requirement for small stores to display prices for goods on the shelf.

Consumer advocates and public health experts say it’s making it harder for people to budget and make informed decisions when buying food.

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-08/stores-without-shelf-grocery-prices-leave-consumers-vulnerable/104421608

There is currently no Australian requirement for small stores to display prices for goods on the shelf.

Consumer advocates and public health experts say it’s making it harder for people to budget and make informed decisions when buying food.

I read that and found it refers to quite small establishments who don’t have to have prices marked on shelves.

“However the laws do not apply to stores with a physical size of less than 1,000 square metres.”

buffy said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-08/stores-without-shelf-grocery-prices-leave-consumers-vulnerable/104421608

There is currently no Australian requirement for small stores to display prices for goods on the shelf.

Consumer advocates and public health experts say it’s making it harder for people to budget and make informed decisions when buying food.

I read that and found it refers to quite small establishments who don’t have to have prices marked on shelves.

“However the laws do not apply to stores with a physical size of less than 1,000 square metres.”

I read it and found the same thing. Possibly a coincidence.

In plenty of small towns and remote settlements, that’s going to mean all shops, or the only shops.

dv said:

buffy said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-08/stores-without-shelf-grocery-prices-leave-consumers-vulnerable/104421608

There is currently no Australian requirement for small stores to display prices for goods on the shelf.

Consumer advocates and public health experts say it’s making it harder for people to budget and make informed decisions when buying food.

I read that and found it refers to quite small establishments who don’t have to have prices marked on shelves.

“However the laws do not apply to stores with a physical size of less than 1,000 square metres.”

I read it and found the same thing. Possibly a coincidence.

In plenty of small towns and remote settlements, that’s going to mean all shops, or the only shops.

Oh, I think price marking is a Good Thing. But I was surprised by the size.

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

I read that and found it refers to quite small establishments who don’t have to have prices marked on shelves.

“However the laws do not apply to stores with a physical size of less than 1,000 square metres.”

I read it and found the same thing. Possibly a coincidence.

In plenty of small towns and remote settlements, that’s going to mean all shops, or the only shops.

Oh, I think price marking is a Good Thing. But I was surprised by the size.

We have a Trev’s Bargain Emporium in Hamilton. It’s quite a big shop, much diversity of goods. Sort of like a Cheap as Chips (which we also have got), but mostly a bit better quality stuff. They still individually price each item, no scanning at the checkout, the details are keyed in. They have been there a long time now (previously the place was a Chickenfeed shop) and seem to do very well. I don’t think I know of many places now that individually price sticker their goods.

Their Facebook page

They are talking about housing in the Senate but not one idea on how to improve housing.

Tau.Neutrino said:

They are talking about housing in the Senate but not one idea on how to improve housing.

are they talking about how to make the situation worse? I suppose a change is as good as a holiday

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

They are talking about housing in the Senate but not one idea on how to improve housing.

are they talking about how to make the situation worse? I suppose a change is as good as a holiday

They are talking about it, but I can’t hear any new ideas.

Tau.Neutrino said:

They are talking about housing in the Senate but not one idea on how to improve housing.

Could they give taxpayers a housing allowance they lie about and stay with mum and dad instead

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

They are talking about housing in the Senate but not one idea on how to improve housing.

are they talking about how to make the situation worse? I suppose a change is as good as a holiday

If I was censoring it allowing for new ideas, it would be silent for the whole duration.

There is still some time to go, I wait with small hope.

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

They are talking about housing in the Senate but not one idea on how to improve housing.

Could they give taxpayers a housing allowance they lie about and stay with mum and dad instead

This

When the Australian Bureau of Statistics released the latest census data in 2022 showing there were 1,043,776 unoccupied homes on census night,

And this

On any given night, 122,494 people in Australia are experiencing homelessness (ABS Census 2021).

Former TT-Line chair lashes govt over Spirit of Tasmania ferries project
David Killick

Mike Grainger former chair. TT-Line Spirits Project inquiry at parliament house Hobart. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones
The former TT-Line chairman says the government showed an “appalling lack of support” for the company’s efforts to deliver two new Bass Strait ferries.

Michael Grainger has appeared before the Public Accounts Committee inquiry into the new Spirit of Tasmanian ferries in Hobart.

The two vessels are the biggest infrastructure project in the state’s history at a cost of around a billion dollars.

Their on-time delivery has been marred by delays, cost overruns and problems with berths in Devonport.

Spirit of Tasmania IV. Picture: Rauma Marine Constructions
Spirit of Tasmania IV. Picture: Rauma Marine Constructions
Mr Grainger says he continually updated the government about issues with Finnish shipbuilder RMC which ended in a $80m over-contract payment to secure the vessels completion.

“I worked with six premiers and 10 government ministers from both sides of parliament, and have never witnessed such an appalling lack of support from government as experienced over the previous 12 months,” he told the Committee.

Mr Grainger gave evidence about when he informed the government about issues with the ferries.

He says he first told Infrastructure Minister Michael Ferguson RMC’s was in financial trouble in October last year and of their need for additional funds on January 17 this year.

Mr Ferguson told parliament he only found out the nature of the problems after the election was called on February 14.
The public was told of the $80m additional payment after the state March 23 election.

The former chairman said TT-Line’s efforts to upgrade berths in Devonport had been thwarted because it was being blocked from access by TasPorts.

“We made it clear to our shareholder Minister back in 2022 that we remain sceptical of the ability to complete our requirements due to the lack of support from TasPorts,” he said.

“During each ministerial briefing, which always followed each board meeting, the minister was advised that the situation with Devonport berth and TasPorts.

“At one stage I said – and the CEO and the CFO were in this meeting – I said to Minister Ferguson, I think it was November or December last year, certainly before caretaker mode, I said ‘Minister, our single biggest risk in this whole project is TasPorts and berth three and at this stage we’ll be bringing both ships into Hobart and anchoring them in the Derwent’.

“Minister Ferguson replied that I needed to learn to play in the sandpit with TasPorts.

Mr Grainger said TT-Line was a ferry operator, not a port builder and contrasted the smooth construction of port facilities in Geelong with the fiasco at Devonport.

“Whether it’s TT-Line, whether it’s the Port of Burnie, whether it’s the Antarctic Division, Tasports has some form and we’ve learned the hard way,” he said.

”I think we expected the relationship and the project to be far more stable than what it turned out to be.”

Mr Grainger said he was surprised when the government demanded he resign as chairman in August.

“It seems bizarre to me that I was being blamed by the shareholder ministers for wanting to tell the truth,” he said.

“What the premier stated in his press release earlier in the day regarding the blame game was contradictory, in my opinion, as I was obviously being blamed for wishing to set the record straight at the risk of embarrassing the government.”

And Mr Grainger said an attempt by the government to increase the amount of Australian content had been “a total waste of time and money”.

“The government established a task force to investigate options for Tasmanian and Australian businesses to have a greater role in the construction of new vessels,” he said.

“I voiced my serious concerns to the former Premier based on my global maritime experience, and suggested the task the task force would not achieve anything over and above what we already knew.

Mr Grainger said the taskforce achieved nothing and the contract price went up in the meantime.

“The government made the decision to stop the project, and it cost us, the taxpayer, approximately $40m Australian,” he said,
david.killick@news.com.au

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104445154

dv said:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104445154

Why, is he a god botherer

dv said:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104445154

ffs.

Cymek said:

dv said:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104445154

Why, is he a god botherer

and one armed with a gun.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104445154

ffs.

And the Qld opposition leader (David Crisafulli) refuses to speak about how he would handle a vote on it if he wins the upcoming election.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104445154

ffs.

And the Qld opposition leader (David Crisafulli) refuses to speak about how he would handle a vote on it if he wins the upcoming election.

I wonder how many votes that will cost him?

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104445154

Why, is he a god botherer

and one armed with a gun.

I cannot think of any sensible reason to change abortion laws.

Its usually some bullshit reason about respecting life from pro-gun, warmongers who think they are going to get kudos with god.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

ffs.

And the Qld opposition leader (David Crisafulli) refuses to speak about how he would handle a vote on it if he wins the upcoming election.

I wonder how many votes that will cost him?

I hope it will cost him a lot, but I doubt it will cost him the election. There seems to be a general feeling that it’s time for Labor to go. I think a lot of people have forgotten how bat the previous LNP government was, and that Crisafulli was a minister in that gubmint.

“Sally Field bravely shares the story of the abortion she had when she was 17’:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4J7t2Yxgbo

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

And the Qld opposition leader (David Crisafulli) refuses to speak about how he would handle a vote on it if he wins the upcoming election.

I wonder how many votes that will cost him?

I hope it will cost him a lot, but I doubt it will cost him the election. There seems to be a general feeling that it’s time for Labor to go. I think a lot of people have forgotten how bat the previous LNP government was, and that Crisafulli was a minister in that gubmint.

Short memories.

sarahs mum said:

Sally Field bravely shares the story of the abortion she had when she was 17

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

And the Qld opposition leader (David Crisafulli) refuses to speak about how he would handle a vote on it if he wins the upcoming election.

I wonder how many votes that will cost him?

I hope it will cost him a lot, but I doubt it will cost him the election. There seems to be a general feeling that it’s time for Labor to go. I think a lot of people have forgotten how bat the previous LNP government was, and that Crisafulli was a minister in that gubmint.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-09/qld-lnp-katter-abortion-bleijie-state-election/104449572

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Sally Field bravely shares the story of the abortion she had when she was 17

i know a Sydney abortion story from this time. the abortionwas arranged by the ‘father.’

Seems the place had police protection. Women coming and going all the time. They would walk in and struggle out a few hours later.

Procedure done. A few minutes after gaining consciousness they were turfed out.

A number of miscarriages after, reparative surgery was done.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Sally Field bravely shares the story of the abortion she had when she was 17

i know a Sydney abortion story from this time. the abortionwas arranged by the ‘father.’

Seems the place had police protection. Women coming and going all the time. They would walk in and struggle out a few hours later.

Procedure done. A few minutes after gaining consciousness they were turfed out.

A number of miscarriages after, reparative surgery was done.

I’m not sure if you watch much US tv but abortion seems to be one topic they rarely tackle.

Unplanned pregnancy its pretty much always have the baby, its not even mentioned abortion

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

i know a Sydney abortion story from this time. the abortionwas arranged by the ‘father.’

Seems the place had police protection. Women coming and going all the time. They would walk in and struggle out a few hours later.

Procedure done. A few minutes after gaining consciousness they were turfed out.

A number of miscarriages after, reparative surgery was done.

I’m not sure if you watch much US tv but abortion seems to be one topic they rarely tackle.

Unplanned pregnancy its pretty much always have the baby, its not even mentioned abortion

there is money to be made from back yard abortions.

sarahs mum said:

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

i know a Sydney abortion story from this time. the abortionwas arranged by the ‘father.’

Seems the place had police protection. Women coming and going all the time. They would walk in and struggle out a few hours later.

Procedure done. A few minutes after gaining consciousness they were turfed out.

A number of miscarriages after, reparative surgery was done.

I’m not sure if you watch much US tv but abortion seems to be one topic they rarely tackle.

Unplanned pregnancy its pretty much always have the baby, its not even mentioned abortion

there is money to be made from back yard abortions.

That sounds fun for all involved

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104445154

ffs.

And the Qld opposition leader (David Crisafulli) refuses to speak about how he would handle a vote on it if he wins the upcoming election.

Luckily the Qld parliament as all the necessary checks and balances that an upper house offers… hang on…

Capitalists Turn Out To Be Communists And Socialists Under The Surface

“I’m not going to complain about the free market. That is what it is,” Mr Thakar says.

“But at a certain point, there has to be some government oversight or some intervention to stop this. When you have stores like Bunnings selling pet food?”

“The chief of staff to the deputy prime minister has claimed she was forced out of her job after she raised a bullying complaint against colleagues in her office.
Jo Tarnawsky, a career public servant, remains employed as Richard Marles’ chief of staff but said she has not been able to enter her office without notice since June and that she hasn’t seen or heard from the minister for months.”

Uh Oh.

Labor has launched a parliamentary inquiry into nuclear power, which it hopes will expose shortcomings in the opposition’s plans. But the Coalition says it is ready to “come to the party” and profile arguments in favour of nuclear.

Breaking News¡ Politicians Willing To Consider And Weigh Up Costs And Benefits Of Options To Make Reasoned Decisions¡

wait

are they really

Another Greens nutter.

Peak Warming Man said:

Another Greens nutter.

I imagine it’s not a reflection unless a mirror is involved and one is dead and the other not real

10 October 2024
Former candidate wants early voting to not feature in state elections

The proportion of people casting pre-poll votes has lifted to 31 per cent of all votes.

A former state election candidate believes that pre-poll votes should be not be an option to Tasmanian voters and that voting hours should instead be extended on election day to allow people more time to cast their ballot papers.

A parliamentary inquiry was established this year to look at the conduct and operations of this year’s lower house election in March and the Legislative Council election in May.

Will Coats, who ran as a Liberal candidate for Clark in the 2021 election, has submitted to the committee that pre-poll votes should be removed from future elections and for the state to move back to single election day.

“I am concerned with the increasing length and proclivity of early voting,” he said.

“The placement of early voting centres in more convenient locations … seems to disproportionately impact early voting numbers in certain regions.

“It is clearly no longer used by those who simply cannot vote on the day.

“I do have concerns that there will be, at the margin, those who are voting out of convenience who then no longer have the ability to change their mind or vote given new information that comes out in the rest of the campaign.”

Former Liberal election candidate Will Coats believes that the option of early voting means that those who participate may be casting a less informed vote.

He said the election day times should instead be extended from 7.30am to 7.30pm to allow for more opportunity for people to vote on the day, and allow postal votes for people who genuinely were not able to vote on that day.

Angela Offord, who ran as an independent in this year’s election, said pre-poll centres were opened two days after candidate names had been published.

She said this meant that a very early vote was unlikely to be an informed vote.

Tasmanian Electoral Commissioner Andrew Hawkey told a parliamentary committee previously inquiring into electoral reform that proportion of pre-poll votes had gone from 18 per cent in the 2018 election, to 28 per cent in the 2021 election, to 31 per cent in this year’s election.

“I know in Victoria where they’ve done by-elections for their lower house, they’ve had over 50 per cent at times doing early voting,” he said

“I absolutely expect, whether it’s the expectation of the public, or the availability to provide better accessibility for broader groups, that early voting will continue to grow.”

Data from the electoral commission showed that over the three weeks that pre-poll centres were open during this year’s election campaign, early votes peaked in the final week.

There were 10,538 votes cast in the first week, 22,248 pre-poll votes in the second week, and 80,539 pre-poll votes in the third and final week.

Advocate.

I have absolutely no problem with early ballots being done.

If anything, I would like them counted behind closed doors in the afternoon on election day before the polls close. When polling is closed and the counting begins, the TV coverage should start with all the pre-poll early votes already counted and allocated on the tally board. As results come in the tally board can be updated.

At the end of the night, all we will be waiting for is the few remaining postal and absentee votes cast on the day.

I’m suspicious that libs, not having a majority, want to play the system.

party_pants said:

I have absolutely no problem with early ballots being done.

If anything, I would like them counted behind closed doors in the afternoon on election day before the polls close. When polling is closed and the counting begins, the TV coverage should start with all the pre-poll early votes already counted and allocated on the tally board. As results come in the tally board can be updated.

At the end of the night, all we will be waiting for is the few remaining postal and absentee votes cast on the day.

One of those issues where you expect the losing candidates to see a “problem” they wouldn’t be worried about if they’d won.

Polls closing at 7.30 makes it late to find out the winner and more likely that you don’t actually find out on the day.

sarahs mum said:

Polls closing at 7.30 makes it late to find out the winner and more likely that you don’t actually find out on the day.

IIRC, polls used to close at 8pm on Saturday night. But this was changed to 6pm, in order to allow counting to be completed earlier and a result known before midnight.

Not sure if this was state (WA) or Federal, or both. Some time in the late 80s or early 90s.

Same fella who was

On Thursday morning, the acting prime minister Richard Marles responded saying: “I am advised the Prime Minister was relying on a recollection of published material and that there are no documents or material in the possession of the Prime Minister or his office.”

adlibbing and insulting ticcers¿

What the fuck are these sholes, seriously¿

SCIENCE said:

Same fella who was

On Thursday morning, the acting prime minister Richard Marles responded saying: “I am advised the Prime Minister was relying on a recollection of published material and that there are no documents or material in the possession of the Prime Minister or his office.”

adlibbing and insulting ticcers¿

What the fuck are these sholes, seriously¿

Oh they’re puppets who knew¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-11/albanese-gambling-ads-ban-mystery-statistic/104456964

Senator Pocock believes the figures quoted by the prime minister are remarkably similar to those made by Peter V’landys, one of the most powerful sporting administrators in the country and a man Mr Albanese invited to a White House state dinner with President Biden in October last year. “The only other place the figures cited by the prime minister have been referenced are in comments by Peter V’landys, a person who runs two organisations that profit heavily from gambling and who is fighting against a ban on gambling ads,” Senator Pocock said.

dv said:

that’s two different people.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

that’s two different people.

Can’t get much past you can I

dv said:

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

that’s two different people.

Can’t get much past you can I

Mind like a steel trap.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

JudgeMental said:

that’s two different people.

Can’t get much past you can I

Mind like a steel trap.

Snappish.

Well, it’s a fortnight until the Qld election and it is still looking like an absolute drubbing. ALP could lose 20 seats.

dv said:

Well, it’s a fortnight until the Qld election and it is still looking like an absolute drubbing. ALP could lose 20 seats.

More fool those who forget what the LNP did last time.

dv said:

Well, it’s a fortnight until the Qld election and it is still looking like an absolute drubbing. ALP could lose 20 seats.

PWM will surprise us all and vote Labor.

dv said:

Well, it’s a fortnight until the Qld election and it is still looking like an absolute drubbing. ALP could lose 20 seats.

People have forgotten that Crisafulli was one of Newman’s ministers. Unfortunately.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Well, it’s a fortnight until the Qld election and it is still looking like an absolute drubbing. ALP could lose 20 seats.

PWM will surprise us all and vote Labor.

He’ll rock up to the booth, fully intending to vote fascist, but then he’ll think:

“FFS, I can’t let good ol’ Bubblecar down. I’ll hold my nose and vote Labor.”

Police allege a 65-year-old female sergeant from People Development Command (PDC) made the gesture on two occasions this week at the Victoria Police Academy in Glen Waverley in Melbourne’s south-east.

PDC is the training unit for sworn members of Victoria Police from recruits through to executive leaders.

It’s alleged the sergeant approached two colleagues on Tuesday afternoon and performed the gesture and said a common Nazi greeting, repeating those actions the following afternoon in front of recruits and an instructor.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Police allege a 65-year-old female sergeant from People Development Command (PDC) made the gesture on two occasions this week at the Victoria Police Academy in Glen Waverley in Melbourne’s south-east.

PDC is the training unit for sworn members of Victoria Police from recruits through to executive leaders.

It’s alleged the sergeant approached two colleagues on Tuesday afternoon and performed the gesture and said a common Nazi greeting, repeating those actions the following afternoon in front of recruits and an instructor.

Corowa is just across the border from Victoria where the use of Nazi salutes and symbols has been outlawed.

my mother was born in Corowa.

Fascism Could Never Happen Here

12 October 2024
Independent MP Craig Garland key to Michael Ferguson’s future in Tasmania’s parliament
Simon McGuire
Spirit of Tasmania V. Picture: Supplied

Key independent Craig Garland will spend his weekend considering his options as pressure builds for a no-confidence vote in Deputy Premier Michael Ferguson when parliament resumes on Tuesday.

Labor is expected to move a motion of no confidence, which the Greens, Jacqui Lambie Network (JLN) MP Andrew Jenner, and independent Kristie Johnston are likely to back.

Meanwhile, ex-JLN turned independent MPs Miriam Beswick and Rebekah Pentland, along with Franklin member David O’Byrne, have said they would examine the evidence before making a decision around Mr Ferguson’s future.

Until now, Mr Garland is the only MP who has not indicated how he would vote should a no-confidence motion proceed.
So far, 17 members of parliament have made it clear they would likely vote in favour of a no-confidence motion.

For it to be successful, the motion would need 18 votes.

That means Mr Garland will likely be key to whether the motion is successful.

On Saturday, the Braddon independent MP told the Mercury that he was not up to speed with what had happened since both the former and current TT-Line heads gave evidence at a parliamentary inquiry on Monday into the bungled delivery of the new Spirits and the associated terminal works in Devonport.

Mr Garland said the reason he had not committed on Mr Ferguson’s future so far was because he was on the West Coast all week as part of his role on the government’s Joint Select Committee on Energy Matters.

He also told the Mercury he had limited phone service while on the work trip.

“We went around the power stations and out to the Granville Wind Farm,” Mr Garland said.

“We had a look at Whaleback Ridge and the proposal that’s being put forward for there, and then yesterday, we wound up out on Robbins Island with ACEN for an overview of what they planned to do.”

Mr Garland said it was a “pretty full-on week” for him.

“Because I’m really interested in the whole energy thing; it’s probably the most important thing on the horizon right at the moment.

“Each day, I didn’t have much time, I didn’t see the news, I didn’t read any papers, and — like I said — the phone reception was not up to speed.”

Ahead of what is expected to be a wild week in parliament, Mr Garland said he would take time between now and Tuesday to do his research ahead of an expected no-confidence vote.

“I think it’ll just take care of itself. I’ll be talking to other members in the house; no doubt I’ll be talking to Michael.

“I don’t like muckraking. I haven’t even thought about how I’ll vote.

“I’ll have a listen to the Public Accounts Committee hearing on Monday and go from there.

“Today, I’m just going to have a bit of time with the family after being away all week. I think things will take care of themselves next week.”

simon.mcguire@news.com.au

Voters in dark: Treasurer exposed as former bankrupt
Matthew Denholm
Tasmanian Treasurer and acting Premier Michael Ferguson. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones

Tasmania’s embattled Liberal Treasurer, Michael Ferguson, is a former bankrupt but has never declared his past insolvency to voters, The Weekend Australian can reveal.

Mr Ferguson, facing a potentially career-ending no-confidence motion over bungling of a vital wharf project and claims he misled parliament, was declared bankrupt in 1994.

Documents held by the Australian Financial Security Authority show Mr Ferguson lodged a debtor’s petition for bankruptcy, accepted on February 1, 1994.

The bankruptcy remained in place for about six months until being discharged early on August 11, 1994.

Mr Ferguson, also Deputy Premier and current acting Premier, told The Weekend Australian the bankruptcy was the result of debts incurred due to a car accident when he was a 19-year-old university student.

“I was a teenager on my way to a student-teacher prac placement when I was involved in a car ­accident for which I accepted responsibility,” he said.

“The car I was driving at the time was uninsured.

“Given my age and lack of ­income I was advised to apply for bankruptcy. I was afforded an early discharge six months later, the earliest that anyone can be given.

“This has been on the public ­record for more than 30 years and disclosed whenever required, including the Premier’s knowledge of, and through federal and state preselection processes since my first preselection in 2004.”

It is understood Mr Ferguson failed to give way in the accident and that the other drivers involved sought to recover a combined sum of about $20,000 from him as the at-fault driver.

Mr Ferguson, a federal MP ­before he entered state politics, ­described the surfacing of his bankruptcy on the eve of a ­potential no-confidence vote as “nothing more than a shameful political hit job”.

He said there were people “resorting to grubby attacks” to “bring me down”.

“Not satisfied with threats of a politically inspired no-confidence motion, they are dredging up a very traumatic incident that occurred when I was teenager,” he said.

“It shows just how low they will go. Tasmanians demand us to get on with the job of dealing with the real issues that matter to them, not this utterly toxic political pointscoring and desperate attempts to smear and tear people down.”

However, Mr Ferguson is likely to face questions over why he has never disclosed the bankruptcy to voters, either when seeking election to the House of Representatives in 2004 and 2007, or at five state elections.

Appointed Treasurer in 2022, Mr Ferguson has allowed state debt to balloon from $1.5bn in 2021-22 to a projected $8.6bn by 2027-28, prompting alarm among some economists and business leaders.

Exposure of his former bankruptcy comes as the conservative weathers a political storm over the failure to ensure two new $900m-plus Bass Strait ferries have an adequate wharf at which to dock.

“It’s little wonder Tasmania’s finances are such a mess – Michael Ferguson went bankrupt, and now he’s wrecked Tasmania’s finances too,” said Labor Treasury spokesman Josh Willie.

“It’s truly remarkable that the man in charge of Tasmania’s finances was declared bankrupt after causing a car accident and not having any insurance.

“Treasurer Ferguson has demonstrated terrible judgment time and time again. Just in recent months he’s delivered the worst budget in Tasmania’s history and overseen the biggest infrastructure stuff-up in Tasmanian history.”

The wharf scandal has already seen Mr Ferguson, 50, resign as infrastructure minister, and claimed the jobs of two state-owned ferry company chiefs, amid an ongoing, bruising parliamentary inquiry.

Failure to build a new wharf for the two new Finnish-built Spirit of Tasmania ferries – the first of which is due to arrive later this year – means they will initially at best operate well below capacity.

Mr Ferguson and senior figures in the state-owned TT-Line ferry company and TasPorts have blamed each other for the debacle, which also follows budget and timeline blowouts on the ferries.

Labor has called for Mr Ferguson to be sacked as Treasurer and stakeholder minister or risk being censured next week by parliament, in which the minority Liberal government relies for support on independents.

It appears 17 of the 35 lower house MPs would vote no confidence in Mr Ferguson. If one of two independents yet to declare their hands also backs the motion, it will pass, forcing Mr Ferguson to resign – or risk a no-confidence motion in the government. Mr Ferguson has denied misleading parliament.

sarahs mum said:

Voters in dark: Treasurer exposed as former bankrupt
Matthew Denholm
Tasmanian Treasurer and acting Premier Michael Ferguson. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones

Tasmania’s embattled Liberal Treasurer, Michael Ferguson, is a former bankrupt but has never declared his past insolvency to voters, The Weekend Australian can reveal.

Mr Ferguson, facing a potentially career-ending no-confidence motion over bungling of a vital wharf project and claims he misled parliament, was declared bankrupt in 1994.

Documents held by the Australian Financial Security Authority show Mr Ferguson lodged a debtor’s petition for bankruptcy, accepted on February 1, 1994.

The bankruptcy remained in place for about six months until being discharged early on August 11, 1994.

Mr Ferguson, also Deputy Premier and current acting Premier, told The Weekend Australian the bankruptcy was the result of debts incurred due to a car accident when he was a 19-year-old university student.

“I was a teenager on my way to a student-teacher prac placement when I was involved in a car ­accident for which I accepted responsibility,” he said.

“The car I was driving at the time was uninsured.

“Given my age and lack of ­income I was advised to apply for bankruptcy. I was afforded an early discharge six months later, the earliest that anyone can be given.

“This has been on the public ­record for more than 30 years and disclosed whenever required, including the Premier’s knowledge of, and through federal and state preselection processes since my first preselection in 2004.”

It is understood Mr Ferguson failed to give way in the accident and that the other drivers involved sought to recover a combined sum of about $20,000 from him as the at-fault driver.

Mr Ferguson, a federal MP ­before he entered state politics, ­described the surfacing of his bankruptcy on the eve of a ­potential no-confidence vote as “nothing more than a shameful political hit job”.

He said there were people “resorting to grubby attacks” to “bring me down”.

“Not satisfied with threats of a politically inspired no-confidence motion, they are dredging up a very traumatic incident that occurred when I was teenager,” he said.

“It shows just how low they will go. Tasmanians demand us to get on with the job of dealing with the real issues that matter to them, not this utterly toxic political pointscoring and desperate attempts to smear and tear people down.”

However, Mr Ferguson is likely to face questions over why he has never disclosed the bankruptcy to voters, either when seeking election to the House of Representatives in 2004 and 2007, or at five state elections.

Appointed Treasurer in 2022, Mr Ferguson has allowed state debt to balloon from $1.5bn in 2021-22 to a projected $8.6bn by 2027-28, prompting alarm among some economists and business leaders.

Exposure of his former bankruptcy comes as the conservative weathers a political storm over the failure to ensure two new $900m-plus Bass Strait ferries have an adequate wharf at which to dock.

“It’s little wonder Tasmania’s finances are such a mess – Michael Ferguson went bankrupt, and now he’s wrecked Tasmania’s finances too,” said Labor Treasury spokesman Josh Willie.

“It’s truly remarkable that the man in charge of Tasmania’s finances was declared bankrupt after causing a car accident and not having any insurance.

“Treasurer Ferguson has demonstrated terrible judgment time and time again. Just in recent months he’s delivered the worst budget in Tasmania’s history and overseen the biggest infrastructure stuff-up in Tasmanian history.”

The wharf scandal has already seen Mr Ferguson, 50, resign as infrastructure minister, and claimed the jobs of two state-owned ferry company chiefs, amid an ongoing, bruising parliamentary inquiry.

Failure to build a new wharf for the two new Finnish-built Spirit of Tasmania ferries – the first of which is due to arrive later this year – means they will initially at best operate well below capacity.

Mr Ferguson and senior figures in the state-owned TT-Line ferry company and TasPorts have blamed each other for the debacle, which also follows budget and timeline blowouts on the ferries.

Labor has called for Mr Ferguson to be sacked as Treasurer and stakeholder minister or risk being censured next week by parliament, in which the minority Liberal government relies for support on independents.

It appears 17 of the 35 lower house MPs would vote no confidence in Mr Ferguson. If one of two independents yet to declare their hands also backs the motion, it will pass, forcing Mr Ferguson to resign – or risk a no-confidence motion in the government. Mr Ferguson has denied misleading parliament.

I confess to not reading all of that, but:

“Mr Ferguson, a federal MP ­before he entered state politics, ­described the surfacing of his bankruptcy on the eve of a ­potential no-confidence vote as “nothing more than a shameful political hit job”.

He said there were people “resorting to grubby attacks” to “bring me down”.”

Seems like a reasonable comment to me.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

Voters in dark: Treasurer exposed as former bankrupt
Matthew Denholm
Tasmanian Treasurer and acting Premier Michael Ferguson. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones

Tasmania’s embattled Liberal Treasurer, Michael Ferguson, is a former bankrupt but has never declared his past insolvency to voters, The Weekend Australian can reveal.

Mr Ferguson, facing a potentially career-ending no-confidence motion over bungling of a vital wharf project and claims he misled parliament, was declared bankrupt in 1994.

Documents held by the Australian Financial Security Authority show Mr Ferguson lodged a debtor’s petition for bankruptcy, accepted on February 1, 1994.

The bankruptcy remained in place for about six months until being discharged early on August 11, 1994.

Mr Ferguson, also Deputy Premier and current acting Premier, told The Weekend Australian the bankruptcy was the result of debts incurred due to a car accident when he was a 19-year-old university student.

“I was a teenager on my way to a student-teacher prac placement when I was involved in a car ­accident for which I accepted responsibility,” he said.

“The car I was driving at the time was uninsured.

“Given my age and lack of ­income I was advised to apply for bankruptcy. I was afforded an early discharge six months later, the earliest that anyone can be given.

“This has been on the public ­record for more than 30 years and disclosed whenever required, including the Premier’s knowledge of, and through federal and state preselection processes since my first preselection in 2004.”

It is understood Mr Ferguson failed to give way in the accident and that the other drivers involved sought to recover a combined sum of about $20,000 from him as the at-fault driver.

Mr Ferguson, a federal MP ­before he entered state politics, ­described the surfacing of his bankruptcy on the eve of a ­potential no-confidence vote as “nothing more than a shameful political hit job”.

He said there were people “resorting to grubby attacks” to “bring me down”.

“Not satisfied with threats of a politically inspired no-confidence motion, they are dredging up a very traumatic incident that occurred when I was teenager,” he said.

“It shows just how low they will go. Tasmanians demand us to get on with the job of dealing with the real issues that matter to them, not this utterly toxic political pointscoring and desperate attempts to smear and tear people down.”

However, Mr Ferguson is likely to face questions over why he has never disclosed the bankruptcy to voters, either when seeking election to the House of Representatives in 2004 and 2007, or at five state elections.

Appointed Treasurer in 2022, Mr Ferguson has allowed state debt to balloon from $1.5bn in 2021-22 to a projected $8.6bn by 2027-28, prompting alarm among some economists and business leaders.

Exposure of his former bankruptcy comes as the conservative weathers a political storm over the failure to ensure two new $900m-plus Bass Strait ferries have an adequate wharf at which to dock.

“It’s little wonder Tasmania’s finances are such a mess – Michael Ferguson went bankrupt, and now he’s wrecked Tasmania’s finances too,” said Labor Treasury spokesman Josh Willie.

“It’s truly remarkable that the man in charge of Tasmania’s finances was declared bankrupt after causing a car accident and not having any insurance.

“Treasurer Ferguson has demonstrated terrible judgment time and time again. Just in recent months he’s delivered the worst budget in Tasmania’s history and overseen the biggest infrastructure stuff-up in Tasmanian history.”

The wharf scandal has already seen Mr Ferguson, 50, resign as infrastructure minister, and claimed the jobs of two state-owned ferry company chiefs, amid an ongoing, bruising parliamentary inquiry.

Failure to build a new wharf for the two new Finnish-built Spirit of Tasmania ferries – the first of which is due to arrive later this year – means they will initially at best operate well below capacity.

Mr Ferguson and senior figures in the state-owned TT-Line ferry company and TasPorts have blamed each other for the debacle, which also follows budget and timeline blowouts on the ferries.

Labor has called for Mr Ferguson to be sacked as Treasurer and stakeholder minister or risk being censured next week by parliament, in which the minority Liberal government relies for support on independents.

It appears 17 of the 35 lower house MPs would vote no confidence in Mr Ferguson. If one of two independents yet to declare their hands also backs the motion, it will pass, forcing Mr Ferguson to resign – or risk a no-confidence motion in the government. Mr Ferguson has denied misleading parliament.

I confess to not reading all of that, but:

“Mr Ferguson, a federal MP ­before he entered state politics, ­described the surfacing of his bankruptcy on the eve of a ­potential no-confidence vote as “nothing more than a shameful political hit job”.

He said there were people “resorting to grubby attacks” to “bring me down”.”

Seems like a reasonable comment to me.

it would be unfair if he was doing a reasonable job I suppose.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

the bankruptcy was the result of debts incurred due to a car accident when he was a 19-year-old university student.

“I was a teenager on my way to a student-teacher prac placement when I was involved in a car ­accident for which I accepted responsibility,” he said.

“The car I was driving at the time was uninsured.

“Given my age and lack of ­income I was advised to apply for bankruptcy. I was afforded an early discharge six months later, the earliest that anyone can be given.

“This has been on the public ­record for more than 30 years and disclosed whenever required, including the Premier’s knowledge of, and through federal and state preselection processes since my first preselection in 2004.”

It is understood Mr Ferguson failed to give way in the accident and that the other drivers involved sought to recover a combined sum of about $20,000 from him

I confess to not reading all of that, but:

“Mr Ferguson, a federal MP ­before he entered state politics, ­described the surfacing of his bankruptcy on the eve of a ­potential no-confidence vote as “nothing more than a shameful political hit job”.

He said there were people “resorting to grubby attacks” to “bring me down”.”

Seems like a reasonable comment to me.

then this bit

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

the bankruptcy was the result of debts incurred due to a car accident when he was a 19-year-old university student.

“I was a teenager on my way to a student-teacher prac placement when I was involved in a car ­accident for which I accepted responsibility,” he said.

“The car I was driving at the time was uninsured.

“Given my age and lack of ­income I was advised to apply for bankruptcy. I was afforded an early discharge six months later, the earliest that anyone can be given.

“This has been on the public ­record for more than 30 years and disclosed whenever required, including the Premier’s knowledge of, and through federal and state preselection processes since my first preselection in 2004.”

It is understood Mr Ferguson failed to give way in the accident and that the other drivers involved sought to recover a combined sum of about $20,000 from him

I confess to not reading all of that, but:

“Mr Ferguson, a federal MP ­before he entered state politics, ­described the surfacing of his bankruptcy on the eve of a ­potential no-confidence vote as “nothing more than a shameful political hit job”.

He said there were people “resorting to grubby attacks” to “bring me down”.”

Seems like a reasonable comment to me.

then this bit

Which bit?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

the bankruptcy was the result of debts incurred due to a car accident when he was a 19-year-old university student.

“I was a teenager on my way to a student-teacher prac placement when I was involved in a car ­accident for which I accepted responsibility,” he said.

“The car I was driving at the time was uninsured.

“Given my age and lack of ­income I was advised to apply for bankruptcy. I was afforded an early discharge six months later, the earliest that anyone can be given.

“This has been on the public ­record for more than 30 years and disclosed whenever required, including the Premier’s knowledge of, and through federal and state preselection processes since my first preselection in 2004.”

It is understood Mr Ferguson failed to give way in the accident and that the other drivers involved sought to recover a combined sum of about $20,000 from him

I confess to not reading all of that, but:

“Mr Ferguson, a federal MP ­before he entered state politics, ­described the surfacing of his bankruptcy on the eve of a ­potential no-confidence vote as “nothing more than a shameful political hit job”.

He said there were people “resorting to grubby attacks” to “bring me down”.”

Seems like a reasonable comment to me.

then this bit

Which bit?

The quoted bit.

It’s wrong to say Australia hasn’t had an immigration strategy for decades — we’re living with its consequences
By business reporter Gareth Hutchens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-13/australia-immigration-strategy-temporary-visa-thistlethwaite/104460500

roughbarked said:

It’s wrong to say Australia hasn’t had an immigration strategy for decades — we’re living with its consequences
By business reporter Gareth Hutchens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-13/australia-immigration-strategy-temporary-visa-thistlethwaite/104460500

We have not had a city/town development plan for the same time. All one peice-meal and bit by bit, expanding the major cities into unmanageable urban sprawl.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

It’s wrong to say Australia hasn’t had an immigration strategy for decades — we’re living with its consequences
By business reporter Gareth Hutchens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-13/australia-immigration-strategy-temporary-visa-thistlethwaite/104460500

We have not had a city/town development plan for the same time. All one peice-meal and bit by bit, expanding the major cities into unmanageable urban sprawl.

And we haven’t had a government of any strip which had the vision and guts to invest in decentralisation, because that’s a long-term programme, and they wouldn’t be around to take personal credit for it.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

It’s wrong to say Australia hasn’t had an immigration strategy for decades — we’re living with its consequences
By business reporter Gareth Hutchens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-13/australia-immigration-strategy-temporary-visa-thistlethwaite/104460500

We have not had a city/town development plan for the same time. All one peice-meal and bit by bit, expanding the major cities into unmanageable urban sprawl.

And we haven’t had a government of any strip which had the vision and guts to invest in decentralisation, because that’s a long-term programme, and they wouldn’t be around to take personal credit for it.

So many long term projects that coulda and shoulda been.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

It’s wrong to say Australia hasn’t had an immigration strategy for decades — we’re living with its consequences
By business reporter Gareth Hutchens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-13/australia-immigration-strategy-temporary-visa-thistlethwaite/104460500

We have not had a city/town development plan for the same time. All one peice-meal and bit by bit, expanding the major cities into unmanageable urban sprawl.

people don’t want to live rural. look what happened when barnaby proposed relocation.

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

It’s wrong to say Australia hasn’t had an immigration strategy for decades — we’re living with its consequences
By business reporter Gareth Hutchens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-13/australia-immigration-strategy-temporary-visa-thistlethwaite/104460500

We have not had a city/town development plan for the same time. All one peice-meal and bit by bit, expanding the major cities into unmanageable urban sprawl.

people don’t want to live rural. look what happened when barnaby proposed relocation.

cheetahs and peregrines have natural under eye black. wiki.

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

It’s wrong to say Australia hasn’t had an immigration strategy for decades — we’re living with its consequences
By business reporter Gareth Hutchens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-13/australia-immigration-strategy-temporary-visa-thistlethwaite/104460500

We have not had a city/town development plan for the same time. All one peice-meal and bit by bit, expanding the major cities into unmanageable urban sprawl.

people don’t want to live rural. look what happened when barnaby proposed relocation.

Besides, have to buy the farm back.

JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

We have not had a city/town development plan for the same time. All one peice-meal and bit by bit, expanding the major cities into unmanageable urban sprawl.

people don’t want to live rural. look what happened when barnaby proposed relocation.

cheetahs and peregrines have natural under eye black. wiki.

sorry. the glare from my screen affected mine eyes.

JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

people don’t want to live rural. look what happened when barnaby proposed relocation.

cheetahs and peregrines have natural under eye black. wiki.

sorry. the glare from my screen affected mine eyes.

any excuse will do.

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

It’s wrong to say Australia hasn’t had an immigration strategy for decades — we’re living with its consequences
By business reporter Gareth Hutchens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-13/australia-immigration-strategy-temporary-visa-thistlethwaite/104460500

We have not had a city/town development plan for the same time. All one peice-meal and bit by bit, expanding the major cities into unmanageable urban sprawl.

people don’t want to live rural. look what happened when barnaby proposed relocation.

If you created new cities and towns, they wouldn’t be rural.

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

We have not had a city/town development plan for the same time. All one peice-meal and bit by bit, expanding the major cities into unmanageable urban sprawl.

people don’t want to live rural. look what happened when barnaby proposed relocation.

If you created new cities and towns, they wouldn’t be rural.

This.

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

We have not had a city/town development plan for the same time. All one peice-meal and bit by bit, expanding the major cities into unmanageable urban sprawl.

people don’t want to live rural. look what happened when barnaby proposed relocation.

If you created new cities and towns, they wouldn’t be rural.

Look at all the rural towns that aren’t growing already. jobs aren’t the only thing people want.

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

people don’t want to live rural. look what happened when barnaby proposed relocation.

If you created new cities and towns, they wouldn’t be rural.

Look at all the rural towns that aren’t growing already. jobs aren’t the only thing people want.

Australia has some quite isolated places. My hometown has grown but many other towns that were established before this rural city and are between this and other expanding rural cities, have either gone backwards or stagnated. People who crave isolation or small town communities are generally the only people willing to go there.

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

people don’t want to live rural. look what happened when barnaby proposed relocation.

If you created new cities and towns, they wouldn’t be rural.

Look at all the rural towns that aren’t growing already. jobs aren’t the only thing people want.

I’m talking about cites the size of Hobart, Canberra, Gold Coast, Newcastle. Somewhere around the quarter to half a million.

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

If you created new cities and towns, they wouldn’t be rural.

Look at all the rural towns that aren’t growing already. jobs aren’t the only thing people want.

Australia has some quite isolated places. My hometown has grown but many other towns that were established before this rural city and are between this and other expanding rural cities, have either gone backwards or stagnated. People who crave isolation or small town communities are generally the only people willing to go there.

it’s all lies, these … people … love the country

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She said white supremacist groups were strategically targeting country communities.

LOL fuck

When asked whether the Coalition’s position on a ceasefire deal put it at odds with the US, Senator Paterson said it “wouldn’t be remarkable for an Australian politician to disagree with an American politician”. “Particularly the administration under President Biden and Kamala Harris is a centre-left administration. I’m from a centre-right political party. There will be times that we disagree and mature adults can be open and honest about that,” he said.

SCIENCE said:

LOL fuck

When asked whether the Coalition’s position on a ceasefire deal put it at odds with the US, Senator Paterson said it “wouldn’t be remarkable for an Australian politician to disagree with an American politician”. “Particularly the administration under President Biden and Kamala Harris is a centre-left administration. I’m from a centre-right political party. There will be times that we disagree and mature adults can be open and honest about that,” he said.

left is a long way away these days.

Quality political discourse.

Labor MP Peter Khalil’s electorate office in Melbourne has been vandalised with red paint and doused with an unknown substance in what he has called an “escalation” of previous incidents.

Photos provided to the ABC by Mr Khalil’s office show the signs and exterior of the office sprayed with red paint, with “land back” and “glory to the martyrs” written along the walls.

Mr Khalil, who is the government’s special envoy for social cohesion, said that a hole was drilled in the door and “fire extinguishers and other kinds of propellants” were used to push “substances into the office”.

The half trillion-dollar stimulus we didn’t know about

By Shane Wright
October 14, 2024 — 11.21am

It’s the half a trillion dollar stimulus most Australians did not know existed.

But a series of reviews by the Reserve Bank into its own policies now confirm the extraordinary quantum of support it used to protect Australia from a deep and enduring Covid recession.

The same reviews reveal problems with the bank’s exceptional policies that damaged its reputation, left it with huge losses that will prevent it paying dividends back to taxpayers for years and helped fuel the biggest increase in house prices in a generation.

And there is one outstanding question: did the combination of $500 billion in stimulus from the RBA, on top of record low-interest rates and government assistance, contribute to the inflation problem that forced the bank into aggressive interest rate increases?

Last week, the Reserve released its report into its $188 billion lifeline of cheap money to commercial banks. It was the fourth review by the bank to garner an understanding of what worked – and what didn’t – through the pandemic.

The $188 billion, and other measures, were put in place amid fears of a crash like the Great Depression, which some economists believed could include 15 per cent unemployment.

While the Reserve Bank’s most obvious mechanism to deal with the economy is official interest rates, during Covid it embarked on so-called ‘quantitative easing’ measures. These parts of a central bank’s toolkit, never before used by the RBA, have been the subject of its four internal reviews.

One tool was forward guidance, in which the bank indicated where interest rates were likely to head. Then-governor Philip Lowe’s 2021 statement that interest rates were unlikely to lift until 2024 was the most obvious example.

But the bank went much further. The largest measure was the $281 billion the RBA spent buying up federal government and state debt to drive down their borrowing costs.

In October 2019, before the pandemic, the bank held just $9.6 billion worth of government debt. About $7.4 billion of that was federal debt.

But by April 2022, the bank owned almost $356 billion of government debt including $288 billion of federal debt, $17 billion of NSW debt and $15 billion of Victorian debt.

Some of this debt was accrued by the Reserve as it targeted the interest rate on federal government 3 year bonds. This debt, considered vital to anchoring all other government debt interest rates, was a program the RBA termed its “yield target”.

Another $188 billion program, called the term funding facility, delivered ultra-cheap cash in short-term loans to 92 banks, including the nation’s big four, to support the economy and particularly small businesses.

Together, these programs were worth $469 billion. That doesn’t include the financial boost, worth tens of billions of dollars, delivered by the cut in official interest rates which fell by 0.65 percentage points in 2020 and held at 0.1 per cent until May 2020.

The bank’s four reviews all argue the schemes worked. That can be measured in the way the Australian economy quickly emerged from pandemic and the extraordinary strength of the jobs market.

Unemployment hit 7.5 per cent in July 2020. A year later, it was 4.8 per cent which was lower than it had been before the pandemic. It would ultimately fall to a 50-year low of 3.5 per cent while the share of Australians in work is at an all-time high.

But each review has revealed problems.

The forward guidance review confirmed the troubles the bank created for itself with Lowe’s commentary around a date, rather than saying a lift in rates would depend on the state of the economy.

Borrowers heard 2024, getting a huge shock when the bank started increasing rates in 2022.

“The RBA attracted extensive criticism when the cash rate was increased much earlier than implied by the conditional time-based guidance,” that review found.

So gun shy has the bank become over this issue, Michele Bullock now goes out of her way to say she is not giving forward guidance when talking about future interest rate movements.

The $288 billion purchases of government debt worked as planned to bring down interest rates. But because the economy rebounded, and interest rates increased to deal with inflation, the RBA has found itself with huge losses.

In 2021-22, the Reserve suffered an accounting loss of $36.7 billion. No bank or private business has ever come close to such a loss in Australia. It means the RBA cannot pay a dividend to the federal government and federal taxpayers.

The final bill will not to be known until 2033 when the debt is repaid.

The bank admitted its yield target policy had caused the RBA “reputational damage” because of “bond market volatility and some dislocation in the market” when the scheme was coming to an end.

Last week’s review argued a term funding facility should be used again in the future if the economic circumstances require it.

But the review also found the bank had lost about $9 billion and conceded that instead of the cash boosting small businesses it had flowed into housing.

There, like some expensive cocktail, it swirled with low interest rates, government handouts to first time home buyers, household savings engorged by government stimulus payments and Australians who wanted properties with extra rooms for their home offices to deliver the biggest increase in house prices in a generation.

The common theme across all the reviews is that the bank, naturally, feared the worst for the economy.

“In retrospect, a greater focus also on upside risks could have led to a different calibration of the scheme,” its report into the term facility noted.

What’s missing is an analysis of two things: the ultimate cost of the “extra” stimulus in terms of inflation, and how all of it interacted with government spending.

At least the RBA has been upfront with its self-reflection. It’s a different story at the government level.

Treasury conducted an early examination of the $90 billion JobKeeper (which gave it a clean bill of health) while a federal inquiry, which includes respected economist Angela Jackson, is close to releasing a report into broad elements of the Covid response.

But the Morrison government did far, far more than JobKeeper.

Its $38 billion superannuation withdrawal program was Covid’s second-largest government stimulus measure. The only examination of this, done by economists Steven Hamilton, Tristram Sainsbury and Geoffrey Liu, revealed people rushed to drain their retirement savings with gambling one of the major beneficiaries.

The cost to those using the scheme has been estimated at $120,000 in foregone retirement savings, which a future government will have to cover.

No one has dared look at the $35 billion cash-flow boost to businesses that gave firms up to $100,000, no questions asked. An auditor-general review has revealed HomeBuilder, a $700 million program aimed at supporting house construction, blew out to $2.7 billion and is one of the reasons for the inflation that has plagued the building sector.

And the $5.8 billion Boosting Apprenticeship Commencements program, promised to drive a surge in apprenticeships post-pandemic, ended up being used by firms such as Grill’d and McDonald’s to pump young people through low level programs that the companies were never going to end. They simply substituted their own cash for taxpayers’ cash.

Treasurer Jim Chalmers, pressed last week on whether he would follow the RBA’s lead by looking at the dirty laundry in coronavirus-era policies, demurred.

“I haven’t commissioned further advice on other elements of the previous government’s response,” he said.

“We have paid down about $150 billion of debt, including a lot of that debt that was racked up during Covid, and so that’s been our focus rather than on going through some of the specific elements of it.”

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-half-trillion-dollar-stimulus-we-didn-t-know-about-20241011-p5khol.html

Liberal Party insiders line up pay day from Morrison government policy

By Nick McKenzie
October 12, 2024 — 5.00am

Controversial former Coalition minister Stuart Robert has been leveraging his work as Australia’s inaugural digital minister as part of a $500 million venture to build a giant data centre to store defence secrets and other sensitive government information.

Leaked documents reveal that Robert has spruiked his stewardship of Australia’s data onshoring policy to help him negotiate a private business proposal for a data centre on private land owned by an ex-Defence official next door to the HMAS Harman military base in Canberra.

In the confidential documents, Robert argued the need for a data centre in Canberra was “being driven” by the policy he introduced as minister that “all Australian government data is housed on-shore”.

The deal, if realised, could be worth hundreds of millions of dollars and deliver a windfall to Robert and his backers.

According to one of Robert’s confidants, the venture also involves figures in ex-prime minister Scott Morrison’s inner circle, including lobbyists David Gazard and Scott Briggs.

Robert’s new business venture is a case study of what integrity advocates describe as the “revolving door” phenomenon involving former politicians joining the corporate sector in areas over which they previously wielded significant policy and political influence.

But it also comes with Robert still embroiled in a major scandal – first exposed by this masthead in late 2022 – over allegations he used his political influence to help his friends win consulting work with government contractors who specialise in IT, data and national security, and whom Robert was dealing with as a minister or MP.

The scandal prompted a parliamentary referral to the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) and dragged in several large federal government contractors, including Salesforce and Oracle, over allegations they enjoyed privileged access to Robert after hiring one of his friends as their consultant.

This masthead can confirm that Robert has claimed that both contractors engaged with his firm this year as part of the data centre proposal.

According to briefings prepared by Robert in July and August and circulated among financiers, the ex-minister described discussions with “Oracle and Salesforce, for the provision of additional data centre capacity for their government operations”.

Robert was Australia’s first digital transformation minister, a post he held from 2018 to May 2022, and was previously assistant defence minister.

Robert has also sought to raise $500 million in private capital to develop the data centre, according to briefings prepared by the ex-minister.

In the documents, Robert explicitly links his previous work as a Morrison government minister to the commercial data centre proposition offered by his company, Coram Deo Capital Pty Ltd. Robert registered the company in 2022 after losing his ministerial posting and moving to the opposition backbench.

In an August 2024 letter, Robert states that Coram Deo Capital is the “lead partner for a Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV)” with “a deep understanding of the Australian digital technology sector and a specific expertise in the operation of data centres in Australia”.

The letter details how Robert served as Australia’s first digital transformation minister and “had responsibility for the Commonwealth government’s Hosting Certification Framework for data centres, the onshoring of all Australian government data in certified strategic data centres, the development and execution of the first whole-of-government digital strategy and the Digital Transformation Agency”.

“Coram Deo Capital is currently in confidential discussions with Blackstone Inc in relation to a direct investment in the development and operation of a Data Centre complex of circa $500M in CAPEX,” the letter states.

“We are also in discussions with on a potential lease with Defence of the site under a build, own, operate arrangement. Finally, we are in discussions with global SaaS providers, Oracle and Salesforce.

“All of this is being driven by the exponential requirements for secure data storage in the prevailing digital and AI age and the Australian government requirement that all Australian government data is housed onshore.”

REVOLVING DOOR
The leaked documents give the most detailed insight yet into Robert’s activities after he quit parliament in May 2023, four months before a parliament committee referred him to the NACC over allegations he had misused his political office to promote his friends’ businesses.

According to Robert’s confidential August 2024 business pitch, the land next to HMAS Harman is “uniquely placed for a significant provision of data services to Defence and other government clients” due to “its proximity to major defence and aerospace installations”.

An Australian military website states that HMAS Harman “enables Defence-wide communications, cyber, intelligence, and information warfare capabilities”.

As digital transformation minister, Robert announced in 2021 how he was reforming the “protection and security for government-held data”, including ensuring certain information could be held only in federal government-certified data centres in Australia.

“The Morrison government is committed to having effective controls in place for the critical systems and data holdings that underpin the operation of government,” Robert’s press statement at the time said.

When contacted this week, Robert refused to discuss his data centre venture or his commercial dealings with any government contractors or donors, citing commercial-in-confidence.

But he stressed he had never used government information for personal gain and had abided by the 18-month cooling-off period that prevents former ministers from engaging in certain dealings with government and Defence officials.

“If I was doing something in that regard , it is well after the time I am required to not be involved in anything portfolio-related,” he said.

“I’m a private citizen, so I am not a public figure any more in any way, shape or form, so anything I do is commercial-in-confidence,” said Robert, before hanging up abruptly.

It is not suggested Robert developed the policy as minister with an eye to his future, only that he is now seeking to profit from his own policy.

Transparency International’s Australia director Clancy Moore said Robert’s post-parliamentary business dealings showed why Australia urgently needed to extend the cooling-off period to a minimum of three years “in keeping with international best practice”.

Political lobbying
Three meetings, one minister, a $27m contract … and a $135m blowout
“Ministers should be allowed to find jobs, but they shouldn’t profit from their work in parliament for at least three years to ensure their parliamentary work is focused on the public interest, not private gain,” Moore said.

Robert’s new business interests not only involve major government contractors he previously and controversially dealt with as minister – such as Salesforce – but overlap with the interests of lobbyists and businesspeople with close ties to the Liberal party.

In June, businessman and finance broker Damien Simonfi, who for years has floated in and out of Robert’s inner circle, lent more than $5 million to a private Canberra development firm that, weeks later, became one of Robert’s proposed partners in the data centre project.

In late August, ACT government records show Simonfi had further dealings with the owner of the land next to the military base, former Defence official Amresh Sharma.

“Whenever I don’t know something, I will just call on anyone who might have a specific set of skills in an area – could be a friend or a developer, or, in this case, Stuart, who’s got knowledge of Canberra,” Simonfi told this masthead when quizzed about his recent involvement with Robert.

“And so all I said was, ‘Do you know where this Harman military base is?’ … And he went, ‘Yep, know all about it.’ And that was the end of the conversation.”

Simonfi is a long-time political backer of Robert, with his firm donating $15,000 to the Queensland Liberal branch in 2013 and attending multiple functions in support of Robert in the following years.

In 2022, Simonfi interviewed the then minister in his office for a podcast that promoted both Robert’s political acumen and Simonfi’s lending business, Capital Bridging Finance.

On the podcast, Robert said: “For those unaware, Damien’s company Capital Bridging Finance has provided advice to me and to Treasury over many years in terms of the impact of government policy on that bridging finance space.”

Simonfi also told this masthead that lobbying firm DPG Advisory, which is run by former Morrison advisers David Gazard and Scott Briggs, was also involved in the data centre venture.

“There were some lobbyists that have been working on it, and that’s it. Those lobbyists know Stuart, end of story,” Simonfi said.

A financier with connections to the site confirmed that Gazard and two other Liberal party-aligned lobbyists, including Briggs, had partnered with Robert in his data centre venture.

“This development in Canberra has had a lot of , I’ve had more than 700 phone calls, I think, in last few weeks, and everyone’s been trying to get their hands on this site. And everyone’s been, you know, all over it,” Simonfi said.

DATA CENTRE BACKGROUND
Robert’s dealings with the business world became controversial in late 2022, after this masthead first revealed his relationship with Canberra consulting firm Synergy 360 and its part owners David Milo and John Margerison, who are close friends of Robert.

Margerison is also a former business partner of Simonfi, but the pair fell out around 2015, with Simonfi telling this masthead he had cut all ties to Margerison.

The Synergy 360 scandal involved a series of emails written by Milo that revealed that between 2017 and 2021, Robert – while both a minister and MP – was secretly assisting Milo’s firm to win work from large IT and data security government contractors.

The contractors were seeking to profit from the Robert-backed efforts to modernise and security-proof federal government data and IT systems.

Leaked emails written by Milo reveal that Robert encouraged multiple government contractors to hire Synergy 360, while Milo also regularly called on Robert to meet with his actual or potential consulting clients.

Last year, a parliamentary inquiry found that Milo had approached IT giant Salesforce in May 2019 to help it seek federal business and subsequently arranged three meetings with Robert.

The National Disability Insurance Agency, which Robert oversaw as minister, selected Salesforce as its preferred bidder for the management of a new IT system.

Leaked emails also reveal that Milo arranged meetings between IT firm Oracle and Robert to help Oracle win contracts from the federal government.

The revelations about Robert’s secret backing of Milo climaxed with allegations, aired in parliament last year, that Synergy 360 intended to pay Robert for secretly assisting it to win work from government contractors.

That allegation was denied by Robert, Milo and Margerison, but referred by the joint committee of public accounts and audit to the NACC a year ago for further “forensic” investigation. The anti-corruption agency has declined to say whether it has launched an inquiry.

Robert is not the only former public official hoping to profit from the tract of land next to HMAS Harman.

Around 2018, a serving Defence Department IT infrastructure project manager, Amresh Sharma, bought the land next to HMAS Harman. Sharma, who quit Defence in early 2023, said he purchased the property for about $4 million and hoped to build a house on it.

In an interview with this masthead, Sharma said that in mid-2022, while still working for Defence, he struck a conditional deal in which he would sell the land to a Canberra development firm for more than $30 million.

He said that he had no idea its value lay in its potential to be turned into a Defence data centre.

Sharma also said that subsequent investigations by the Defence Department had found he had acted appropriately in his dealings with the land.

There is no suggestion by this masthead that Sharma ever acted improperly, misused Defence Department information in connection to the land deal, or that Sharma has had any dealings with Robert.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/liberal-party-insiders-line-up-pay-day-from-morrison-government-policy-20241008-p5kgog.html

sarahs mum said:

Only because she was told to by her accountant.

Good News

SCIENCE said:

Good News

No, it is not good news.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Good News

No, it is not good news.

It is shit news and Albo had better do something to convince the electorate that we don’t want Nazis in power. Particularly with the global politics in the state they are at present.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Good News

No, it is not good news.

It is shit news and Albo had better do something to convince the electorate that we don’t want Nazis in power. Particularly with the global politics in the state they are at present.

don’t need no Dick Tater.

OPINION
14 October 2024
Inquiry needed to get to the bottom of the farce surrounding new Spirits

Tasmanians have the right to know the truth.

We should have been waiting with excitement for the arrival of our new Spirits; looking forward to seeing the first of the great red and white ships sail into the Mersey.

What we’ve been gifted is more than embarrassing. It’s damaging to our brand and to our economy.

After all the delays in the building of our new ferries, how is it possible that we will not have a berth ready?

How is it that we are talking about sending the ships to Singapore to sit at anchor?

The government is saying little in an attempt to control the message.

We don’t yet know if the best case scenario – an interim plan to use the existing berth – is even feasible.

While we await word on the outcome of simulations, a key player warns it’s unsafe.

If he’s right, there may be no choice but to wait for a year, or two, until the new Spirits can take their place on the run.

When this farce was laid bare, Premier Jeremy Rockliff said he was not interested in “the blame game”.

Frankly, that’s not good enough.

Yes, his priority should be to find a solution, but he should also want to get to the bottom of how on Earth this occurred.

His political opponents have his deputy, Michael Ferguson, squarely in their sights.

That’s fair – he was the minister responsible for TT-Line and TasPorts, the two state-owned companies at the centre of this mess.

But, to their credit, both opposition parties are thinking beyond merely claiming his scalp.

Labor is proposing a raft of changes to get “government businesses back on track”, while the Greens want a “comprehensive independent review” of all such businesses.

We should start with an inquiry – of the status of a royal commission if need be – into how we ended up here.

Deputy Premier Michael Ferguson. Picture file

The failure to have a berth ready for the new ships is as unacceptable as it is inexplicable.

We ordered bigger ships, and we knew they were coming.

We need to understand what happened, or didn’t, and we need to learn what lessons may be gained from this sorry saga.

A parliamentary inquiry mired, as they always are, in politics will not do; Tasmanians have the right to know the truth.

-Advocate

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/14/bruce-lehrmann-unemployable-and-arguably-australias-most-hated-man-lawyer-tells-court-ntwnfb?CMP=soc_567

What

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/14/bruce-lehrmann-unemployable-and-arguably-australias-most-hated-man-lawyer-tells-court-ntwnfb?CMP=soc_567

What

It takes all sorts…

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/14/bruce-lehrmann-unemployable-and-arguably-australias-most-hated-man-lawyer-tells-court-ntwnfb?CMP=soc_567

What

We are supposed to feel sorry for him being a crim and pissing everything up against a wall. how is going to pay for a 6 star lifestyle and his coke habit now?

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/14/bruce-lehrmann-unemployable-and-arguably-australias-most-hated-man-lawyer-tells-court-ntwnfb?CMP=soc_567

What

We are supposed to feel sorry for him being a crim and pissing everything up against a wall. how is going to pay for a 6 star lifestyle and his coke habit now?

He has that facial expression that looks like an expressionless mask and it looks like its practiced as well.
Hiding something untoward about himself

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/14/bruce-lehrmann-unemployable-and-arguably-australias-most-hated-man-lawyer-tells-court-ntwnfb?CMP=soc_567

What

We are supposed to feel sorry for him being a crim and pissing everything up against a wall. how is going to pay for a 6 star lifestyle and his coke habit now?

He has that facial expression that looks like an expressionless mask and it looks like its practiced as well.
Hiding something untoward about himself

so what they mean is it’s about 5 days before he finds a massive platform on some fascist propaganda network

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

No, it is not good news.

It is shit news and Albo had better do something to convince the electorate that we don’t want Nazis in power. Particularly with the global politics in the state they are at present.

don’t need no Dick Tater.

we apologise for our gross sarcasm but sadly acknowledge that in this team sporting culture the disappointment that Anthony has been is a disappointment

Update: Embattled Deputy Premier and Treasurer Michael Ferguson has resigned from his ministries in the face of an almost certain successful no-confidence vote in him in parliament on Tuesday.
The 11th-hour decision comes as Mr Ferguson’s fate became clear on Sunday.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/14/bruce-lehrmann-unemployable-and-arguably-australias-most-hated-man-lawyer-tells-court-ntwnfb?CMP=soc_567

What

We are supposed to feel sorry for him being a crim and pissing everything up against a wall. how is going to pay for a 6 star lifestyle and his coke habit now?

Work it off on a prison farm.

Hey pretty legit’ argument you got there,

Electoral Commissioner Tom Rogers told ABC NEWS Verify that “our involvement in that process will damage our neutrality, and it will therefore have an impact on people’s perception of the integrity of the vote”. “The issue is that people trust the AEC,” Mr Rogers said. “The first time we have to make a pronouncement that a major party or a candidate is effectively not telling the truth, the supporters of that party will immediately start to potentially distrust the AEC in our actions.”

good stuff, so if you check the facts then the liars might not trust you, damn heavy loss that.

In my e-mail today:

“Soon, the Australian Government’s Digital ID app, myGovID, will be changing its name to myID. It will have a new name and look, but you’ll continue to use it in the same way.”

Nice to know that the Australian government is concentrating its efforts on the things that are really important to everyone.

The Rev Dodgson said:

In my e-mail today:

“Soon, the Australian Government’s Digital ID app, myGovID, will be changing its name to myID. It will have a new name and look, but you’ll continue to use it in the same way.”

Nice to know that the Australian government is concentrating its efforts on the things that are really important to everyone.

Yours ID isn’t important to yous¿

The Rev Dodgson said:

In my e-mail today:

“Soon, the Australian Government’s Digital ID app, myGovID, will be changing its name to myID. It will have a new name and look, but you’ll continue to use it in the same way.”

Nice to know that the Australian government is concentrating its efforts on the things that are really important to everyone.

Does it come with pot plants?

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

In my e-mail today:

“Soon, the Australian Government’s Digital ID app, myGovID, will be changing its name to myID. It will have a new name and look, but you’ll continue to use it in the same way.”

Nice to know that the Australian government is concentrating its efforts on the things that are really important to everyone.

Yours ID isn’t important to yous¿

It may have been done to make the phishers change stream?

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

In my e-mail today:

“Soon, the Australian Government’s Digital ID app, myGovID, will be changing its name to myID. It will have a new name and look, but you’ll continue to use it in the same way.”

Nice to know that the Australian government is concentrating its efforts on the things that are really important to everyone.

Does it come with pot plants?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-11/medicinal-cannabis-company-investigated-by-authorities/104449400

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

In my e-mail today:

“Soon, the Australian Government’s Digital ID app, myGovID, will be changing its name to myID. It will have a new name and look, but you’ll continue to use it in the same way.”

Nice to know that the Australian government is concentrating its efforts on the things that are really important to everyone.

Yours ID isn’t important to yous¿

It may have been done to make the phishers change stream?

Well they’re removing the Gov bit right and that does seem to be important to the libertarians who make up like 90% of the population so practically everyone.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

In my e-mail today:

“Soon, the Australian Government’s Digital ID app, myGovID, will be changing its name to myID. It will have a new name and look, but you’ll continue to use it in the same way.”

Nice to know that the Australian government is concentrating its efforts on the things that are really important to everyone.

Does it come with pot plants?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-11/medicinal-cannabis-company-investigated-by-authorities/104449400

There’s always going to be some crooks taking their chances with any loopholes.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Does it come with pot plants?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-11/medicinal-cannabis-company-investigated-by-authorities/104449400

There’s always going to be some crooks taking their chances with any loopholes.

Not sure how promoting the idea that the name may have arbitrary changes at any time makes it more secure.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-11/medicinal-cannabis-company-investigated-by-authorities/104449400

There’s always going to be some crooks taking their chances with any loopholes.

Not sure how promoting the idea that the name may have arbitrary changes at any time makes it more secure.

I’m not sure what you mean?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Not sure how promoting the idea that the name may have arbitrary changes at any time makes it more secure.

That’s how thinking goes in Canberra:

“If we change the name of it, all the crooks and hackers will say ‘what? the name’s changed? I have to amend all the code that i use in my nefarious scheme? Oh, it’s too much, i’m going to go straight, and get an honest job!’”.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-11/medicinal-cannabis-company-investigated-by-authorities/104449400

There’s always going to be some crooks taking their chances with any loopholes.

Not sure how promoting the idea that the name may have arbitrary changes at any time makes it more secure.

makes it harder for black hats to find when you keep changing the name.

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Not sure how promoting the idea that the name may have arbitrary changes at any time makes it more secure.

That’s how thinking goes in Canberra:

“If we change the name of it, all the crooks and hackers will say ‘what? the name’s changed? I have to amend all the code that i use in my nefarious scheme? Oh, it’s too much, i’m going to go straight, and get an honest job!’”.

Oh I see. He posted the comment as a reply to the wrong quoted post.
He’s on about myGov..

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

There’s always going to be some crooks taking their chances with any loopholes.

Not sure how promoting the idea that the name may have arbitrary changes at any time makes it more secure.

makes it harder for black hats to find when you keep changing the name.

After all, that’s the name of the game.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Not sure how promoting the idea that the name may have arbitrary changes at any time makes it more secure.

That’s how thinking goes in Canberra:

“If we change the name of it, all the crooks and hackers will say ‘what? the name’s changed? I have to amend all the code that i use in my nefarious scheme? Oh, it’s too much, i’m going to go straight, and get an honest job!’”.

Oh I see. He posted the comment as a reply to the wrong quoted post.
He’s on about myGov..

It was the correct quoted post.

The sssf-bot removed the top posts from the thread, that’s all.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

That’s how thinking goes in Canberra:

“If we change the name of it, all the crooks and hackers will say ‘what? the name’s changed? I have to amend all the code that i use in my nefarious scheme? Oh, it’s too much, i’m going to go straight, and get an honest job!’”.

Oh I see. He posted the comment as a reply to the wrong quoted post.
He’s on about myGov..

It was the correct quoted post.

The sssf-bot removed the top posts from the thread, that’s all.

Quickly, call the Lab and inform.

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Not sure how promoting the idea that the name may have arbitrary changes at any time makes it more secure.

makes it harder for black hats to find when you keep changing the name.

After all, that’s the name of the game.

I’m presuming mr. mental was being ironic.

Fair

dv said:

Fair

A man has to make a living somehow; maybe he can make use of that hat he went back for.

dv said:

Fair

^

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

Fair

A man has to make a living somehow; maybe he can make use of that hat he went back for.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgwrdYUQ2A

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Fair

^

^

dv said:

Fair

But, it may have considerable medical value.

As a powerful emetic.

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

It is shit news and Albo had better do something to convince the electorate that we don’t want Nazis in power. Particularly with the global politics in the state they are at present.

don’t need no Dick Tater.

we apologise for our gross sarcasm but sadly acknowledge that in this team sporting culture the disappointment that Anthony has been is a disappointment

A True Man Of The People

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-15/anthony-albanese-buys-central-coast-property/104472726

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

don’t need no Dick Tater.

we apologise for our gross sarcasm but sadly acknowledge that in this team sporting culture the disappointment that Anthony has been is a disappointment

A True Man Of The People

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-15/anthony-albanese-buys-central-coast-property/104472726

Luckily These Communists Who Corruption More Capital Than True Battlers Only

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-16/how-many-properties-do-australian-federal-politicians-own/104476596

Declared The Number But Not The Value

Right¿

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

we apologise for our gross sarcasm but sadly acknowledge that in this team sporting culture the disappointment that Anthony has been is a disappointment

A True Man Of The People

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-15/anthony-albanese-buys-central-coast-property/104472726

Luckily These Communists Who Corruption More Capital Than True Battlers Only

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-16/how-many-properties-do-australian-federal-politicians-own/104476596

Declared The Number But Not The Value

Right¿

Oh c’m‘on can’t yous just leave a fella alone and let him keep his head down and run a country¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-16/the-politics-of-prime-minister-anthony-albanese-beach-house/104474458

16 October 2024
Supreme Court judge Gregory Geason verdict handed down by interstate Magistrate
Duncan Abey

Justice Gregory Geason at Hobart Magistrates Court. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones

Tasmanian Supreme Court judge Gregory Geason has been found guilty of both common assault, and emotional abuse or intimidation, in the Hobart Magistrates Court this morning.

Justice Geason, 63, had pleaded not guilty to both charges, which were alleged to have been perpetrated against a former partner over the course of nine months in 2023.

The case was heard by Victorian Deputy Chief Magistrate Susan Wakeling, who was appointed after it was found that no Tasmanian magistrate could.

Justice Gregory Geason leaves the Hobart Magistrates Court on Wednesday afternoon, October 16, 2024. Picture: Duncan Abey

In handing down her decision on Wednesday, Magistrate Wakeling found the complainant had been a reliable witness during her time on the stand during a seven-day hearing in July.

The complainant gave evidence that Justice Geason had flown into a jealous rage in his Battery Point home on the evening of October 31 last year, after learning she had sent text messages to a male colleague.

The woman said Justice Geason had struck her to the chest and breasts up to eight times, before pushing her, causing her to strike her head on a mantelpiece and “black out”.

An interstate emergency specialist diagnosed the complainant with concussion a few days later.

A forensic medicine specialist told the hearing that the woman’s bruises were likely the result of an assault, and not self-inflicted or sustained accidentally.

During cross-examination from Justice Geason’s lawyer, Tom Percy KC, the complainant was asked if she had deleted the text messages because she knew their existence would upset her partner.

“Yes because he didn’t like me having any contact with males at all, including a colleague,” the woman told the court.
“I was trying to calm him down because I didn’t want to spark off another fight.”

During his time on the witness stand, Justice Geason claimed he had never hit or pushed the complainant, that “no punches were thrown”, and that he did not cause her to hit the back of her head on the mantelpiece.

Melbourne-based Crown prosecutor Neill Hutton represented the state.

Justice Geason appeared in court on Wednesday, represented by Hobart barrister Fabiano Cangelosi.

-mercury.

sarahs mum said:

16 October 2024
Supreme Court judge Gregory Geason verdict handed down by interstate Magistrate
Duncan Abey

Justice Gregory Geason at Hobart Magistrates Court. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones

Tasmanian Supreme Court judge Gregory Geason has been found guilty of both common assault, and emotional abuse or intimidation, in the Hobart Magistrates Court this morning.

Justice Geason, 63, had pleaded not guilty to both charges, which were alleged to have been perpetrated against a former partner over the course of nine months in 2023.

The case was heard by Victorian Deputy Chief Magistrate Susan Wakeling, who was appointed after it was found that no Tasmanian magistrate could.

Justice Gregory Geason leaves the Hobart Magistrates Court on Wednesday afternoon, October 16, 2024. Picture: Duncan Abey

In handing down her decision on Wednesday, Magistrate Wakeling found the complainant had been a reliable witness during her time on the stand during a seven-day hearing in July.

The complainant gave evidence that Justice Geason had flown into a jealous rage in his Battery Point home on the evening of October 31 last year, after learning she had sent text messages to a male colleague.

The woman said Justice Geason had struck her to the chest and breasts up to eight times, before pushing her, causing her to strike her head on a mantelpiece and “black out”.

An interstate emergency specialist diagnosed the complainant with concussion a few days later.

A forensic medicine specialist told the hearing that the woman’s bruises were likely the result of an assault, and not self-inflicted or sustained accidentally.

During cross-examination from Justice Geason’s lawyer, Tom Percy KC, the complainant was asked if she had deleted the text messages because she knew their existence would upset her partner.

“Yes because he didn’t like me having any contact with males at all, including a colleague,” the woman told the court.
“I was trying to calm him down because I didn’t want to spark off another fight.”

During his time on the witness stand, Justice Geason claimed he had never hit or pushed the complainant, that “no punches were thrown”, and that he did not cause her to hit the back of her head on the mantelpiece.

Melbourne-based Crown prosecutor Neill Hutton represented the state.

Justice Geason appeared in court on Wednesday, represented by Hobart barrister Fabiano Cangelosi.

-mercury.

i just watched the Constitutional Clarion’s YouTube post on the topic.

Seems he should resign. Amoving him might be difficult.

Now Do Cars And Voting

And Guns And Hate Crimes And Incitement Of Terrorism

SCIENCE said:

Now Do Cars And Voting

And Guns And Hate Crimes And Incitement Of Terrorism

It is all about risk management. This is what should be taught. If you can’t swim, don’t try. It is risky. If you still want to swim, learn how to.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Now Do Cars And Voting

And Guns And Hate Crimes And Incitement Of Terrorism

It is all about risk management. This is what should be taught. If you can’t swim, don’t try. It is risky. If you still want to swim, learn how to.

wait do we put signs up telling adults not to swim in risky places

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Now Do Cars And Voting

And Guns And Hate Crimes And Incitement Of Terrorism

It is all about risk management. This is what should be taught. If you can’t swim, don’t try. It is risky. If you still want to swim, learn how to.

wait do we put signs up telling adults not to swim in risky places

These places are usually signposted or they are where I live.

Man in white hat assaulted in Western Queensland.

Courier Mail polling ahead of next week’s Qld election has the Coalition up 58 – 42.

If that were to come about it would see ALP reduced to around 25 seats or so. Not quite a catastrophe on the level of 2007 but still a landslide.

The day after the Liberal National party announced its centrepiece youth justice plan – to sentence children to “adult time” – the opposition leader, David Crisafulli, flew to north Queensland to campaign.

At his press conference, Crisafulli introduced an 81-year-old woman whose car and purse were stolen in the Townsville suburbs. He put his hand on her shoulder as she recounted being confronted and pushed to the ground by a group of “mongrels”.

“All these people should be locked up and then throw the key away,” the woman said.

“If they repeat, get rid of them altogether. Put them in a coffin. That’s my way of thinking. I know it’s not right, but there’s just too much of that going on.”

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/oct/18/queensland-election-youth-crime-crisafulli-steven-miles-ntwnfb

18 October 2024
Government urged to lease Spirit of Tasmania IV

Chas Kelly says concerns he has expressed to the government over a temporary berthing solution for the new Spirit vessels have not yet been addressed.

Chas Kelly believes the government should lease out the new Spirit of Tasmania IV in Europe until a berth is built at Devonport.

The Coastal shipping operator has previously raised safety concerns about a proposal to temporarily use the existing Spirits berth.

A report from infrastructure experts Peter Gemell and Ben Moloney has been received by the government about the use of Berth 1 as a temporary solution until Berth 3 is developed, which is expected to be completed sometime in 2026.

Premier Jeremy Rockliff said the government would consider the report and outline a plan forward on Thursday.

Chas Kelly’s SeaRoad Shipping uses the neighbouring Berth 2.

On Friday, Mr Kelly said he didn’t expect to be briefed on the report ahead of any announcement as a letter outlining his concerns over safety and the possibility of ships colliding was yet to receive a response.

“We’ve had no feedback from the government, even after writing to them, expressing our concerns, which suggests they will continue to treat us in that manner,” he said.

Mr Kelly said due to the ship scheduling at the port, it appeared his business would carry all the risk when it came to maneuvering to avoid any scraping or collisions.

“And we’re concerned about any commercial implications that have been forced on us due to political desire,” he said.
Transport Minister Eric Abetz in parliament refused to say whether the government was considering leasing the new Spirit of Tasmania vessels out to a foreign operator while the required infrastructure was built for the ships in Tasmania.

Labor has criticised the idea, but independents Miriam Beswick and Rebekah Pentland have said it would be a good fix to the current mess, and an opportunity to put them to work and earn revenue.

Mr Kelly supported the idea of a short-term lease.“They can save somewhere between $80 and $100 million, rather than have them wasted here,” he said. “They’d be very popular in Europe.”

Labor’s infrastructure spokeswoman Anita Dow said Mr Abetz and former Infrastructure Minister Michael Ferguson issued a ministerial direction to demand work be done to Berth 1 to accommodate the new Spirit vessels after safety concerns with the berth had been raised.

“Berth 1 was a public relations patch-up announcement for Liberal ministers who were looking to avoid further embarrassment,” she said.

mercury.
——
cluelessness.

sarahs mum said:

18 October 2024
Government urged to lease Spirit of Tasmania IV

Chas Kelly says concerns he has expressed to the government over a temporary berthing solution for the new Spirit vessels have not yet been addressed.

Chas Kelly believes the government should lease out the new Spirit of Tasmania IV in Europe until a berth is built at Devonport.

The Coastal shipping operator has previously raised safety concerns about a proposal to temporarily use the existing Spirits berth.

A report from infrastructure experts Peter Gemell and Ben Moloney has been received by the government about the use of Berth 1 as a temporary solution until Berth 3 is developed, which is expected to be completed sometime in 2026.

Premier Jeremy Rockliff said the government would consider the report and outline a plan forward on Thursday.

Chas Kelly’s SeaRoad Shipping uses the neighbouring Berth 2.

On Friday, Mr Kelly said he didn’t expect to be briefed on the report ahead of any announcement as a letter outlining his concerns over safety and the possibility of ships colliding was yet to receive a response.

“We’ve had no feedback from the government, even after writing to them, expressing our concerns, which suggests they will continue to treat us in that manner,” he said.

Mr Kelly said due to the ship scheduling at the port, it appeared his business would carry all the risk when it came to maneuvering to avoid any scraping or collisions.

“And we’re concerned about any commercial implications that have been forced on us due to political desire,” he said.
Transport Minister Eric Abetz in parliament refused to say whether the government was considering leasing the new Spirit of Tasmania vessels out to a foreign operator while the required infrastructure was built for the ships in Tasmania.

Labor has criticised the idea, but independents Miriam Beswick and Rebekah Pentland have said it would be a good fix to the current mess, and an opportunity to put them to work and earn revenue.

Mr Kelly supported the idea of a short-term lease.“They can save somewhere between $80 and $100 million, rather than have them wasted here,” he said. “They’d be very popular in Europe.”

Labor’s infrastructure spokeswoman Anita Dow said Mr Abetz and former Infrastructure Minister Michael Ferguson issued a ministerial direction to demand work be done to Berth 1 to accommodate the new Spirit vessels after safety concerns with the berth had been raised.

“Berth 1 was a public relations patch-up announcement for Liberal ministers who were looking to avoid further embarrassment,” she said.

mercury.
——
cluelessness.

sorry. twas the Advocate.

sarahs mum said:

“Berth 1 was a public relations patch-up announcement for Liberal ministers who were looking to avoid further embarrassment,” she said.

mercury.
——
cluelessness.

So, let me get this straight.

There’s currrently two ‘berths’. No. 3 will not be available for some time

No. 2 is used by Searoad, which is fair enough.

There’s also No. 1.

But, Searoad doesn’t like anyone to use No. 1, because they reckon that it’s too risky to have any ships using that berth.

Which raise the question: why was No. 1 built at all? Is it really all that unsafe to have it used.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

“Berth 1 was a public relations patch-up announcement for Liberal ministers who were looking to avoid further embarrassment,” she said.

mercury.
——
cluelessness.

So, let me get this straight.

There’s currrently two ‘berths’. No. 3 will not be available for some time

No. 2 is used by Searoad, which is fair enough.

There’s also No. 1.

But, Searoad doesn’t like anyone to use No. 1, because they reckon that it’s too risky to have any ships using that berth.

Which raise the question: why was No. 1 built at all? Is it really all that unsafe to have it used.

two new ships were ordered. they went overbudget by 80 mill and took ages to complete. in the meantime the berths were not upgraded and they do not fit the ships that should be on their way.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

“Berth 1 was a public relations patch-up announcement for Liberal ministers who were looking to avoid further embarrassment,” she said.

mercury.
——
cluelessness.

So, let me get this straight.

There’s currrently two ‘berths’. No. 3 will not be available for some time

No. 2 is used by Searoad, which is fair enough.

There’s also No. 1.

But, Searoad doesn’t like anyone to use No. 1, because they reckon that it’s too risky to have any ships using that berth.

Which raise the question: why was No. 1 built at all? Is it really all that unsafe to have it used.

two new ships were ordered. they went overbudget by 80 mill and took ages to complete. in the meantime the berths were not upgraded and they do not fit the ships that should be on their way.

Yep. Cluelessness.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

So, let me get this straight.

There’s currrently two ‘berths’. No. 3 will not be available for some time

No. 2 is used by Searoad, which is fair enough.

There’s also No. 1.

But, Searoad doesn’t like anyone to use No. 1, because they reckon that it’s too risky to have any ships using that berth.

Which raise the question: why was No. 1 built at all? Is it really all that unsafe to have it used.

two new ships were ordered. they went overbudget by 80 mill and took ages to complete. in the meantime the berths were not upgraded and they do not fit the ships that should be on their way.

Yep. Cluelessness.

but since the minister has now resigned and eric abetz is looking after all should be well.

now let’s build a stadium they say.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

two new ships were ordered. they went overbudget by 80 mill and took ages to complete. in the meantime the berths were not upgraded and they do not fit the ships that should be on their way.

Yep. Cluelessness.

but since the minister has now resigned and eric abetz is looking after all should be well.

now let’s build a stadium they say.

I thought that Eric Abetz was the Tas govt, and the others were just his assistants?

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Yep. Cluelessness.

but since the minister has now resigned and eric abetz is looking after all should be well.

now let’s build a stadium they say.

I thought that Eric Abetz was the Tas govt, and the others were just his assistants?

there is that.

Why do they insist on lying like this though ¿

Youth crime is falling across the board

looks like a significant uptick to us

wait

Fewer Queensland youths are committing crimes

looks like an increase id est “more” to us

SCIENCE said:

Why do they insist on lying like this though ¿

Youth crime is falling across the board

looks like a significant uptick to us

wait

Fewer Queensland youths are committing crimes

looks like an increase id est “more” to us

Don’t Blame it on the Children

Polls have closed in the ACT.
I’m expecting the Libs to make some gains but the Labor-Greens coalition to stay in power.

dv said:

Polls have closed in the ACT.
I’m expecting the Libs to make some gains but the Labor-Greens coalition to stay in power.

2 hours into the count, Antony is saying it is going to end up something like 10 ALP, 3 Greens, 10 Lib and 2 independents.

dv said:

dv said:

Polls have closed in the ACT.
I’m expecting the Libs to make some gains but the Labor-Greens coalition to stay in power.

2 hours into the count, Antony is saying it is going to end up something like 10 ALP, 3 Greens, 10 Lib and 2 independents.

That’s close.

There are also three by elections in NSW on.

All three seats are blue-ribbon Liberal seats, Epping, Hornsby and Pittwater.

Epping and Hornsby will be won by new Liberal members but it appears that the new member for Pittwater will be an independent, Teal Jacqui Scruby.

The previous member Rory Amos resigned following child sex offence charges. The member for Pittwater

dv said:

There are also three by elections in NSW on.

All three seats are blue-ribbon Liberal seats, Epping, Hornsby and Pittwater.

Epping and Hornsby will be won by new Liberal members but it appears that the new member for Pittwater will be an independent, Teal Jacqui Scruby.

The previous member Rory Amos resigned following child sex offence charges. The member for Pittwater

Amon. Fellow seems to have a very long neck.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/aug/30/nsw-liberal-mp-rory-amon-charged-with-10-child-sexual-assault-offences

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

There are also three by elections in NSW on.

All three seats are blue-ribbon Liberal seats, Epping, Hornsby and Pittwater.

Epping and Hornsby will be won by new Liberal members but it appears that the new member for Pittwater will be an independent, Teal Jacqui Scruby.

The previous member Rory Amos resigned following child sex offence charges. The member for Pittwater

Amon. Fellow seems to have a very long neck.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/aug/30/nsw-liberal-mp-rory-amon-charged-with-10-child-sexual-assault-offences

Is he a drag queen?

dv said:

There are also three by elections in NSW on.

All three seats are blue-ribbon Liberal seats, Epping, Hornsby and Pittwater.

Epping and Hornsby will be won by new Liberal members but it appears that the new member for Pittwater will be an independent, Teal Jacqui Scruby.

The previous member Rory Amos resigned following child sex offence charges. The member for Pittwater

Yes, done my voting for today.

Labor didn’t even have a candidate for Hornsby.

Next to nothing on the TV about it, even over here.

dv said:

There are also three by elections in NSW on.

All three seats are blue-ribbon Liberal seats, Epping, Hornsby and Pittwater.

Epping and Hornsby will be won by new Liberal members but it appears that the new member for Pittwater will be an independent, Teal Jacqui Scruby.

The previous member Rory Amos resigned following child sex offence charges. The member for Pittwater

‘Teal Jacqui Scruby’

I like that. Should be a title, like ‘The Rt. Hon’, or ‘Lady’ or ‘Sir’. Teal Jacqui Scruby. No ‘honours list’ necessary, you just get it when you’re selected as a candidate, and you can keep it, win or lose.

These independents will be the first elected in the legislative assembly since 1998.

The last time anyone from a party other than ALP, Lib or Green won a seat in ACT was in 2001 when Roslyn Dundas picked up a seat for the Democrats.

19 October 2024
‘More to come’ from Spirit inquiry as shadow treasurer Josh Willie blasts TT-Line, TasPorts bonuses
Duncan Abey

Labor treasury spokesman, Josh Willie, addressed the media in Hobart on Sunday. Picture: Duncan Abey
Generous bonuses paid to the leaders of Tasmanian government-business enterprises responsible for delivering the stalled Spirit of Tasmania vessel and infrastructure projects did not pass the pub test, the state’s shadow treasurer has claimed.

Following revelations that TasPorts chief executive Anthony Donald had received a $48,000 bonus on his $538,000 salary package in 2023/24, while TT-Line supremo Bernard Dwyer received a total of $565,000, Labor MHA Josh Willie said Premier Jeremy Rockliff had reneged on a promise not to approve bonuses.

“The Premier said he’s taking control of the ferries fiasco, but he has completely lost the plot,” Mr Willie said on Saturday.
“It doesn’t pass the pub test that TT-Line and TasPorts executives are going to receive over half a million dollars worth of bonuses after the biggest infrastructure stuff-up in Tasmanian history.

Spirit of Tasmanian IV first sea trial. Picture: Spirit of Tasmania
Spirit of Tasmanian IV first sea trial. Picture: Spirit of Tasmania

“Premier Rockliff himself said he wouldn’t approve bonuses, but in the annual reports it’s been revealed that’s exactly what took place.

“This should be a great project that will boost our economy something that Tasmanians can celebrate … but unfortunately, it has been an absolute debacle.

“It’s $500 million over-budget, there is a five-year delay, and it’s hurting the Tasmanian economy.”

The Spirit of Tasmania saga has already proven costly for the government, with damning revelations of poor communication between key stakeholders during recent Public Accounts Committee hearings, and the resignation of Michael Ferguson, first as Infrastructure Minister, then as Treasurer and Deputy Premier.

Mr Willie predicted that will the PAC inquiry not yet concluded, more information would come to light about the ferries debacle, and urged the Premier to come clean on exactly

“Let’s be honest here, the government has been less than transparent,” Mr Willie said.

“It’s through Labor questioning in the parliament and the PAC inquiry that Tasmanians are getting the answers to this very fiasco.

“It’s not good enough, and there has been a culture of cover up.

“And it’s time for Premier Rockliff to take control.

“We need these ships to be in service as soon as possible – they are going to give a great boost to the Tasmanian economy, and they’re something that Tasmanians can be proud of.

“But we need to get this right.”

Mr Willie said Tasmanian many tourism operators had invested in their businesses in anticipation of the new ferries’ increased capacity, but were now left waiting because of the inability of TasPorts, TT-Line, and the government to appropriately upgrade berthing facilities in Devonport.

Mr Willie said Labor was demanding reforms to Tasmania’s GBEs, with their charters to focus less on profitability, and more on their overall contribution to the Tasmanian economy.

A government spokesperson said no bonuses for the delivery of the Devonport port infrastructure for TT-Line or TasPorts management had been, or would be, granted by the Premier.

“We have been clear: we are sorting the Spirits, fixing the GBEs, and backing our tourism industry,” the spokesperson said.

duncan.abey@news.com.au

dv said:

These independents will be the first elected in the legislative assembly since 1998.

The last time anyone from a party other than ALP, Lib or Green won a seat in ACT was in 2001 when Roslyn Dundas picked up a seat for the Democrats.

Ah, the Democrats.

Founded by Don Chipp,when he realised that he’d forgotten (until too late) to nominate for pre-selection by the Liberal Party, and no-one in the Liberal Party was in any hurry to point that out to him.

Later known as ‘the Wine and Cheese Party’, or the ‘Any Bandwagon Will Do Party’.

ABC News:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Hey hey hey¿

Heavy vehicle drivers on country roads will often use their right indicator to signal trailing drivers that it is safe to pass.

While common, the practice is illegal and is increasingly leading to close calls between vehicles.

A WA spraying contractor says he has experienced an increasing number of near misses, where drivers have tried to overtake while he is turning right.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-20/turning-right-oversize-vehicles-driver-danger/104478560

dv said:

Heavy vehicle drivers on country roads will often use their right indicator to signal trailing drivers that it is safe to pass.

While common, the practice is illegal and is increasingly leading to close calls between vehicles.

A WA spraying contractor says he has experienced an increasing number of near misses, where drivers have tried to overtake while he is turning right.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-20/turning-right-oversize-vehicles-driver-danger/104478560

use the left indicator

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Heavy vehicle drivers on country roads will often use their right indicator to signal trailing drivers that it is safe to pass.

While common, the practice is illegal and is increasingly leading to close calls between vehicles.

A WA spraying contractor says he has experienced an increasing number of near misses, where drivers have tried to overtake while he is turning right.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-20/turning-right-oversize-vehicles-driver-danger/104478560

use the left indicator

I suppose slow moving vehicles could safely have other message panels on the back.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Heavy vehicle drivers on country roads will often use their right indicator to signal trailing drivers that it is safe to pass.

While common, the practice is illegal and is increasingly leading to close calls between vehicles.

A WA spraying contractor says he has experienced an increasing number of near misses, where drivers have tried to overtake while he is turning right.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-20/turning-right-oversize-vehicles-driver-danger/104478560

use the left indicator

I suppose slow moving vehicles could safely have other message panels on the back.

right but what’s left is to consider that if you want someone to pass, signalling left then pulling over left will help them pass

unless they wanted the euphemistic pass we guess life finds away

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

use the left indicator

I suppose slow moving vehicles could safely have other message panels on the back.

right but what’s left is to consider that if you want someone to pass, signalling left then pulling over left will help them pass

unless they wanted the euphemistic pass we guess life finds away

If you’re a 4 m wide vehicle on a country road there may not be a lot of capacity to pull over

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I suppose slow moving vehicles could safely have other message panels on the back.

right but what’s left is to consider that if you want someone to pass, signalling left then pulling over left will help them pass

unless they wanted the euphemistic pass we guess life finds away

If you’re a 4 m wide vehicle on a country road there may not be a lot of capacity to pull over

yeah we d’n‘o’ admittedly never tried to overtake or undertake a road train on a WA highway but honestly we’d probably die because would be more inclined to overtake someone signalling left than someone signalling right

Huge number of pre-poll votes cast.
The LNP’s stance on abortion is a contentious issue.

Tamb said:

Huge number of pre-poll votes cast.
The LNP’s stance on abortion is a contentious issue.

It is not too often that there is a completely foregone conclusion in Australian politics but this election is one such. ALP will be very lucky if they can even retain 30 seats.

dv said:

Tamb said:

Huge number of pre-poll votes cast.
The LNP’s stance on abortion is a contentious issue.

It is not too often that there is a completely foregone conclusion in Australian politics but this election is one such. ALP will be very lucky if they can even retain 30 seats.

It’s a pity that people have forgotten that opposition leader Crisafulli was a minister in Campbell Newman’s absolutely disastrous government.

And that Crisafulli won’t say what he will do when the Katter mob introduces their private member’s bill to outlaw abortion again.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Tamb said:

Huge number of pre-poll votes cast.
The LNP’s stance on abortion is a contentious issue.

It is not too often that there is a completely foregone conclusion in Australian politics but this election is one such. ALP will be very lucky if they can even retain 30 seats.

It’s a pity that people have forgotten that opposition leader Crisafulli was a minister in Campbell Newman’s absolutely disastrous government.

And that Crisafulli won’t say what he will do when the Katter mob introduces their private member’s bill to outlaw abortion again.

Yes. I’ve had a word with Mr.Knuth on the subject.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

It is not too often that there is a completely foregone conclusion in Australian politics but this election is one such. ALP will be very lucky if they can even retain 30 seats.

It’s a pity that people have forgotten that opposition leader Crisafulli was a minister in Campbell Newman’s absolutely disastrous government.

And that Crisafulli won’t say what he will do when the Katter mob introduces their private member’s bill to outlaw abortion again.

Yes. I’ve had a word with Mr.Knuth on the subject.

He’ll likely fall in behind Robbie.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

It is not too often that there is a completely foregone conclusion in Australian politics but this election is one such. ALP will be very lucky if they can even retain 30 seats.

It’s a pity that people have forgotten that opposition leader Crisafulli was a minister in Campbell Newman’s absolutely disastrous government.

And that Crisafulli won’t say what he will do when the Katter mob introduces their private member’s bill to outlaw abortion again.

Yes. I’ve had a word with Mr.Knuth on the subject.

We had Hanson here in a tent on market day. I won’t be voting for One Nation.

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

It’s a pity that people have forgotten that opposition leader Crisafulli was a minister in Campbell Newman’s absolutely disastrous government.

And that Crisafulli won’t say what he will do when the Katter mob introduces their private member’s bill to outlaw abortion again.

Yes. I’ve had a word with Mr.Knuth on the subject.

He’ll likely fall in behind Robbie.

At least he is approachable (even if he is wrong)

Tamb said:

Huge number of pre-poll votes cast.
The LNP’s stance on abortion is a contentious issue.

Not sure abortion access is really that big of an issue in the electorate at large.. The Labs are going to get their arses handed to them I reckon…

diddly-squat said:

Tamb said:

Huge number of pre-poll votes cast.
The LNP’s stance on abortion is a contentious issue.

Not sure abortion access is really that big of an issue in the electorate at large.. The Labs are going to get their arses handed to them I reckon…

The issue is the criminalisation of abortion.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Tamb said:

Huge number of pre-poll votes cast.
The LNP’s stance on abortion is a contentious issue.

It is not too often that there is a completely foregone conclusion in Australian politics but this election is one such. ALP will be very lucky if they can even retain 30 seats.

It’s a pity that people have forgotten that opposition leader Crisafulli was a minister in Campbell Newman’s absolutely disastrous government.

And that Crisafulli won’t say what he will do when the Katter mob introduces their private member’s bill to outlaw abortion again.

I think renewal is a good thing.. absence of contrast leads to stagnation

Tamb said:

diddly-squat said:

Tamb said:

Huge number of pre-poll votes cast.
The LNP’s stance on abortion is a contentious issue.

Not sure abortion access is really that big of an issue in the electorate at large.. The Labs are going to get their arses handed to them I reckon…

The issue is the criminalisation of abortion.

abortion is currently legal in Queensland and the current policy platform of the LNP is not to change that

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

It is not too often that there is a completely foregone conclusion in Australian politics but this election is one such. ALP will be very lucky if they can even retain 30 seats.

It’s a pity that people have forgotten that opposition leader Crisafulli was a minister in Campbell Newman’s absolutely disastrous government.

And that Crisafulli won’t say what he will do when the Katter mob introduces their private member’s bill to outlaw abortion again.

I think renewal is a good thing.. absence of contrast leads to stagnation

Outlawed abortion leads to backyard abortion with a corresponding rise in deaths.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I suppose slow moving vehicles could safely have other message panels on the back.

right but what’s left is to consider that if you want someone to pass, signalling left then pulling over left will help them pass

unless they wanted the euphemistic pass we guess life finds away

If you’re a 4 m wide vehicle on a country road there may not be a lot of capacity to pull over

I’ve seen what can happen when the Mayor of our city was driving a truck during grape harvest and he put his right blinker on to turn and whoosh a car flew past knicking the front of the truck then end over end down the road, The whole roof of the car was down to the window sills and four people died.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

right but what’s left is to consider that if you want someone to pass, signalling left then pulling over left will help them pass

unless they wanted the euphemistic pass we guess life finds away

If you’re a 4 m wide vehicle on a country road there may not be a lot of capacity to pull over

I’ve seen what can happen when the Mayor of our city was driving a truck during grape harvest and he put his right blinker on to turn and whoosh a car flew past knicking the front of the truck then end over end down the road, The whole roof of the car was down to the window sills and four people died.

Charlie Garramilla likes this.

imagine systems being better though

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-21/tasmania-liberals-announce-new-cabinet/104495126

SCIENCE said:

imagine systems being better though

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-21/tasmania-liberals-announce-new-cabinet/104495126

From IKEA, assembled by the men who are half cut and not using the instructions

The Thorpedo has disrespected the Monarch.

“You destroyed our land. Give us a treaty.”

SCIENCE said:

imagine systems being better though

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-21/tasmania-liberals-announce-new-cabinet/104495126

The Liberals have a new cabinet?

One like this, perhaps?

18th C. French Provincial Bar Cabinet

Somewhere nice to keep the single malt and the Bombay Sapphire.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine systems being better though

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-21/tasmania-liberals-announce-new-cabinet/104495126

The Liberals have a new cabinet?

One like this, perhaps?

18th C. French Provincial Bar Cabinet

Somewhere nice to keep the single malt and the Bombay Sapphire.

that’s a bit posh for a Tassie Lib.

The Rev Dodgson will love the headline today¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-22/paradise-dam-failure-rebuild-project-qld-election-water-issues/104009524

Ah well it could be worse it could be an upstream … uh yeah an upstream “dam”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-22/adani-doongmabulla-springs-half-million-year-old-water/104456500

Adani has accused a group of scientific researchers of being “part of the movement to stop Australia’s coal export industry”.

what

Scientists who revealed fresh evidence of environmental threats from Adani’s Queensland coalmine have rubbished the company’s claims they are anti-coal campaigners.

why wouldn’t you just take the compliment

Morning pilgrims, it’s a fine day so far, might do some mowing if it stays fine.
Over.

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-22/adani-doongmabulla-springs-half-million-year-old-water/104456500

Adani has accused a group of scientific researchers of being “part of the movement to stop Australia’s coal export industry”.

what

Scientists who revealed fresh evidence of environmental threats from Adani’s Queensland coalmine have rubbished the company’s claims they are anti-coal campaigners.

why wouldn’t you just take the compliment

:)
It’s a legal matter baby.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson will love the headline today¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-22/paradise-dam-failure-rebuild-project-qld-election-water-issues/104009524

Ah well it could be worse it could be an upstream … uh yeah an upstream “dam”.

Not sure what about the headline I’m supposed to love, but I was tempted to nominate the article for the “worst report on an engineering problem evah” prize.

But to be fair, they did at least speak to an engineer or two rather than just the lawyers and politicians, exhibiting their well-known exceptional hindsight powers.

This short Qld Gov statement from 2020 covers most of the technical issues (and is a much quicker read).

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/89879

Nice of the premier at the time to accept full responsibility for this, but that really does nothing to fix the problems that allowed the design to be accepted in the first place, and allowed the construction problems to be covered up.

On election night it seemed that the Libs would get more votes than ALP in the ACT election but as more votes have rolled in it seems that’s not the case. Still looks like they will gain a seat and they should probably retain their leader for getting a positive result in a tough market.
The big shift is the Greens going from.6 seats to 3: a little shift can have big consequences in Hare-Clark. Their seats went to a Lib, a lefty “Independents for Canberra” party member called Thomas Emerson, and a kind of community activist type independent called Fiona Carrick.

——

In the Qld election:

Resolve Strategic: 53-47 to LNP in Queensland
A new Queensland poll finds Labor very nearly back in the game, amid surging approval for Steven Miles.

Further indications of a Labor recovery in Queensland from a Resolve Strategic poll in the Brisbane Times, putting them fully nine points higher off a dismal mid-year starting point to record 32% of the primary vote, with the Liberal National Party down four to 40%. The pollster breaks with its usual practice of not dealing in preferences, finding the LNP leading 53-47 on a respondent-allocated measure and 52-48 using preference flows from past elections – a strikingly narrow lead considering Labor in New South Wales failed to get a majority with 54.3%. Notably, the poll has response options reflecting the candidates in the respondent’s electorate, thereby removing the all-too-popular generic independent response and causing the independent result to drop from 9% to 2%. This did not yield a dividend for minor parties: the Greens and One Nation, who have candidates in every seat, are respectively down one to 11% and up one to 9%.

A leadership approval question emphasising “performance in recent weeks” produced a distinctly favourable result for Steven Miles, including in comparison with the recent YouGov poll whose survey period partly overlapped (October 10 to 16 for that poll, October 14 to 19 for this one). Miles registered a combined very good and good rating of 48%, with poor and very poor at 38%. While this had the edge on David Crisafulli’s 44% and 37% lead, Crisafulli retained a slight 39-37 edge on preferred premier, though this was greatly reduced from his 40-27 lead in the mid-year poll, which was conducted from July through to September. The sample for the poll was 1003.

dv said:

nnnn.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

nnnn.

The kinds of ideologies and machinations that are making the USSA a shit place to survive could never transfer to the rest of the world¡

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

nnnn.

The kinds of ideologies and machinations that are making the USSA a shit place to survive could never transfer to the rest of the world¡

What are yous all complaining about¿ It’s all just a bit of harmless fun¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-23/refugee-rally-disrupted-by-far-right-protesters/104504672

Michael Norman Jessop, 69, is on bail and is listed as the second candidate on the Caloundra ballot paper.

The electorate is located at the southern end of the Sunshine Coast.

The boat builder from Little Mountain was arrested on July 22 after police were called to reports of a man acting suspiciously outside a property in Bli Bli.

Police allege they found weapons and camouflage clothing inside a car belonging to Mr Jessop.

It is also alleged that during a further search of the vehicle officers located a shovel, axe, gloves, duct tape, ropes and a cadaver bag.

Police allege Mr Jessop was recorded on CCTV footage outside the Bli Bli property.

Mr Jessop was charged with seven offences including unlawful stalking, possession of a weapon, wilful damage and possession of a knife.

He was granted conditional Supreme Court bail in Brisbane last month, a few weeks before the state election was called.

Court documents show Mr Jessop must report to police in Caloundra every Friday as part of the bail conditions.

He is also banned from visiting the suburb of Bli Bli.

roughbarked said:

Michael Norman Jessop, 69, is on bail and is listed as the second candidate on the Caloundra ballot paper.

The electorate is located at the southern end of the Sunshine Coast.

The boat builder from Little Mountain was arrested on July 22 after police were called to reports of a man acting suspiciously outside a property in Bli Bli.

Police allege they found weapons and camouflage clothing inside a car belonging to Mr Jessop.

It is also alleged that during a further search of the vehicle officers located a shovel, axe, gloves, duct tape, ropes and a cadaver bag.

Police allege Mr Jessop was recorded on CCTV footage outside the Bli Bli property.

Mr Jessop was charged with seven offences including unlawful stalking, possession of a weapon, wilful damage and possession of a knife.

He was granted conditional Supreme Court bail in Brisbane last month, a few weeks before the state election was called.

Court documents show Mr Jessop must report to police in Caloundra every Friday as part of the bail conditions.

He is also banned from visiting the suburb of Bli Bli.

I just read that myself

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Michael Norman Jessop, 69, is on bail and is listed as the second candidate on the Caloundra ballot paper.

The electorate is located at the southern end of the Sunshine Coast.

The boat builder from Little Mountain was arrested on July 22 after police were called to reports of a man acting suspiciously outside a property in Bli Bli.

Police allege they found weapons and camouflage clothing inside a car belonging to Mr Jessop.

It is also alleged that during a further search of the vehicle officers located a shovel, axe, gloves, duct tape, ropes and a cadaver bag.

Police allege Mr Jessop was recorded on CCTV footage outside the Bli Bli property.

Mr Jessop was charged with seven offences including unlawful stalking, possession of a weapon, wilful damage and possession of a knife.

He was granted conditional Supreme Court bail in Brisbane last month, a few weeks before the state election was called.

Court documents show Mr Jessop must report to police in Caloundra every Friday as part of the bail conditions.

He is also banned from visiting the suburb of Bli Bli.

I just read that myself

This gets back to what crimes would one expect politicians to be barred from positions in government?

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Michael Norman Jessop, 69, is on bail and is listed as the second candidate on the Caloundra ballot paper.

The electorate is located at the southern end of the Sunshine Coast.

The boat builder from Little Mountain was arrested on July 22 after police were called to reports of a man acting suspiciously outside a property in Bli Bli.

Police allege they found weapons and camouflage clothing inside a car belonging to Mr Jessop.

It is also alleged that during a further search of the vehicle officers located a shovel, axe, gloves, duct tape, ropes and a cadaver bag.

Police allege Mr Jessop was recorded on CCTV footage outside the Bli Bli property.

Mr Jessop was charged with seven offences including unlawful stalking, possession of a weapon, wilful damage and possession of a knife.

He was granted conditional Supreme Court bail in Brisbane last month, a few weeks before the state election was called.

Court documents show Mr Jessop must report to police in Caloundra every Friday as part of the bail conditions.

He is also banned from visiting the suburb of Bli Bli.

I just read that myself

This gets back to what crimes would one expect politicians to be barred from positions in government?

sedition

wait

LOL

Senator Lidia Thorpe says she pledged allegiance to the queen’s ‘hairs’, not heirs, in defence of royal protest

WTF

SCIENCE said:

LOL

Senator Lidia Thorpe says she pledged allegiance to the queen’s ‘hairs’, not heirs, in defence of royal protest

WTF

I’m not a Thorpe fan, but I think that is quite amusing.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

Senator Lidia Thorpe says she pledged allegiance to the queen’s ‘hairs’, not heirs, in defence of royal protest

WTF

I’m not a Thorpe fan, but I think that is quite amusing.

I think she has trolled the situation perfectly. Such an inconsequential act in its own right, but the conservatives boarding the outrage bus has now made the royal visit all about her instead of being about the King and Queen. They just couldn’t help themselves. They have allowed the troll to become bigger than the story.

She has played them like a fiddle.

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/23/sellafield-cleanup-cost-136bn-national-audit-office

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/23/sellafield-cleanup-cost-136bn-national-audit-office

Good to see people making an honest quid from lovely safe clean industry. Let’s bring wealth and prosperity to the world!

Europe’s most hazardous industrial site has previously been described by a former UK secretary of state as a “bottomless pit of hell, money and despair”

ruby said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/23/sellafield-cleanup-cost-136bn-national-audit-office

Good to see people making an honest quid from lovely safe clean industry. Let’s bring wealth and prosperity to the world!

Europe’s most hazardous industrial site has previously been described by a former UK secretary of state as a “bottomless pit of hell, money and despair”

Send it to Mordor.

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/23/sellafield-cleanup-cost-136bn-national-audit-office

What’s Sellafield got to do with Australian Politics?

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/23/sellafield-cleanup-cost-136bn-national-audit-office

What’s Sellafield got to do with Australian Politics?

Brazilian butterfly effect.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/23/sellafield-cleanup-cost-136bn-national-audit-office

What’s Sellafield got to do with Australian Politics?

Brazilian butterfly effect.

I suppose the Brits did cover around a quarter of Australia with radioactive fallout, during their atomic bomb experiments. Thank you Pig Iron Bob for supporting this. Fail…

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

What’s Sellafield got to do with Australian Politics?

Brazilian butterfly effect.

I suppose the Brits did cover around a quarter of Australia with radioactive fallout, during their atomic bomb experiments. Thank you Pig Iron Bob for supporting this. Fail…

He also wanted to call the new dollars “royals”. Never tired of kissing Blighty bum.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

What’s Sellafield got to do with Australian Politics?

Brazilian butterfly effect.

I suppose the Brits did cover around a quarter of Australia with radioactive fallout, during their atomic bomb experiments. Thank you Pig Iron Bob for supporting this. Fail…

The bastard loved the queen.

Labor open to further action on Thorpe, but options are limited

roughbarked said:

Labor open to further action on Thorpe, but options are limited

Thorpie the loose Cannon.

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Brazilian butterfly effect.

I suppose the Brits did cover around a quarter of Australia with radioactive fallout, during their atomic bomb experiments. Thank you Pig Iron Bob for supporting this. Fail…

He also wanted to call the new dollars “royals”. Never tired of kissing Blighty bum.

Shot off to the UK about 5 minutes after ceasing to be PM. Was made Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports.

Which was no great honour really. I knew a bloke who held that office.

During WW2, the office became vacant, and there’s a quirk which says that the office can’t be vacant, so they needed a place-holder until the new appointee arrived ‘home’ from foreign parts.

So, Fred, a Lieutenant RNVR, was temporarily made Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/23/sellafield-cleanup-cost-136bn-national-audit-office

What’s Sellafield got to do with Australian Politics?

Brazilian butterfly effect.

sorry we were commenting on the favourable economics of small modular nuclear power

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

What’s Sellafield got to do with Australian Politics?

Brazilian butterfly effect.

sorry we were commenting on the favourable economics of small modular nuclear power

Ah. I get it. Thanks.

The Tasmanian government says it is looking to lease out its two new Spirit of Tasmania ferries to a private operator until permanent port infrastructure is built at Devonport, after another blowout in the construction timeline.

Both ships are nearing completion in Finland, but Premier Jeremy Rockliff has announced their berth in Devonport is not set to be ready until February 2027, two and a half years later than originally estimated.

It is the latest twist in a saga that has caused great concern for Tasmania’s tourism industry, and led to the resignation of former deputy premier Michael Ferguson from cabinet, as well as key players from state-owned companies TT-Line and TasPorts.

The project to build new port infrastructure at Devonport has been beset by delays and cost blowout, and was last expected to be completed by January 2026.

Speaking of a best-case scenario, Mr Rockliff told a press conference in Devonport on Thursday that “if all goes well, we can have this done by October 2026.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-24/spirit-of-tasmania-ferries-to-be-leased-as-port-not-finished/104510896

sarahs mum said:

The Tasmanian government says it is looking to lease out its two new Spirit of Tasmania ferries to a private operator until permanent port infrastructure is built at Devonport, after another blowout in the construction timeline.

Both ships are nearing completion in Finland, but Premier Jeremy Rockliff has announced their berth in Devonport is not set to be ready until February 2027, two and a half years later than originally estimated.

It is the latest twist in a saga that has caused great concern for Tasmania’s tourism industry, and led to the resignation of former deputy premier Michael Ferguson from cabinet, as well as key players from state-owned companies TT-Line and TasPorts.

The project to build new port infrastructure at Devonport has been beset by delays and cost blowout, and was last expected to be completed by January 2026.

Speaking of a best-case scenario, Mr Rockliff told a press conference in Devonport on Thursday that “if all goes well, we can have this done by October 2026.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-24/spirit-of-tasmania-ferries-to-be-leased-as-port-not-finished/104510896

It strikes me as very odd that they were made in Finland rather than Tasmania.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

The Tasmanian government says it is looking to lease out its two new Spirit of Tasmania ferries to a private operator until permanent port infrastructure is built at Devonport, after another blowout in the construction timeline.

Both ships are nearing completion in Finland, but Premier Jeremy Rockliff has announced their berth in Devonport is not set to be ready until February 2027, two and a half years later than originally estimated.

It is the latest twist in a saga that has caused great concern for Tasmania’s tourism industry, and led to the resignation of former deputy premier Michael Ferguson from cabinet, as well as key players from state-owned companies TT-Line and TasPorts.

The project to build new port infrastructure at Devonport has been beset by delays and cost blowout, and was last expected to be completed by January 2026.

Speaking of a best-case scenario, Mr Rockliff told a press conference in Devonport on Thursday that “if all goes well, we can have this done by October 2026.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-24/spirit-of-tasmania-ferries-to-be-leased-as-port-not-finished/104510896

It strikes me as very odd that they were made in Finland rather than Tasmania.

They did have an incat in service at some stage but there were so many complaints about seasickness. bass strait can be really rugged.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

The Tasmanian government says it is looking to lease out its two new Spirit of Tasmania ferries to a private operator until permanent port infrastructure is built at Devonport, after another blowout in the construction timeline.

Both ships are nearing completion in Finland, but Premier Jeremy Rockliff has announced their berth in Devonport is not set to be ready until February 2027, two and a half years later than originally estimated.

It is the latest twist in a saga that has caused great concern for Tasmania’s tourism industry, and led to the resignation of former deputy premier Michael Ferguson from cabinet, as well as key players from state-owned companies TT-Line and TasPorts.

The project to build new port infrastructure at Devonport has been beset by delays and cost blowout, and was last expected to be completed by January 2026.

Speaking of a best-case scenario, Mr Rockliff told a press conference in Devonport on Thursday that “if all goes well, we can have this done by October 2026.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-24/spirit-of-tasmania-ferries-to-be-leased-as-port-not-finished/104510896

It strikes me as very odd that they were made in Finland rather than Tasmania.

Shipbuilding, to build sea-going ships, is just about as ‘heavy industry’ as you can get.

You need a shipyard. Not somewhere that just makes e.g. aluminium runabouts, or fishing trawlers.

A big, big space, with heavy-lift cranes, heavy-duty power supply, metal working shops which can handle very large and heavy fabrications, a large number of other specialty facilities, a workforce that possesses a wide range of particular skills, good and affordable transport infrastructure for materials, anda lot of other things.

This is why you hear a lot of talk about ‘retaining an Australian shipbuilding industry’. For some reason, people forgetthat we live on an island, and we need ships. We should have a lot more australian ships than we have now.

Once you lose the facilities, the workforce, and the skills needed in shipbuilding, it’s very difficult and expensive to regain them.

AFAIK, Tasmania has never had such facilities.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

The Tasmanian government says it is looking to lease out its two new Spirit of Tasmania ferries to a private operator until permanent port infrastructure is built at Devonport, after another blowout in the construction timeline.

Both ships are nearing completion in Finland, but Premier Jeremy Rockliff has announced their berth in Devonport is not set to be ready until February 2027, two and a half years later than originally estimated.

It is the latest twist in a saga that has caused great concern for Tasmania’s tourism industry, and led to the resignation of former deputy premier Michael Ferguson from cabinet, as well as key players from state-owned companies TT-Line and TasPorts.

The project to build new port infrastructure at Devonport has been beset by delays and cost blowout, and was last expected to be completed by January 2026.

Speaking of a best-case scenario, Mr Rockliff told a press conference in Devonport on Thursday that “if all goes well, we can have this done by October 2026.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-24/spirit-of-tasmania-ferries-to-be-leased-as-port-not-finished/104510896

It strikes me as very odd that they were made in Finland rather than Tasmania.

They did have an incat in service at some stage but there were so many complaints about seasickness. bass strait can be really rugged.

I first went across on the Taroona. Master of the combined corkscrew pitch & roll.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

The Tasmanian government says it is looking to lease out its two new Spirit of Tasmania ferries to a private operator until permanent port infrastructure is built at Devonport, after another blowout in the construction timeline.

Both ships are nearing completion in Finland, but Premier Jeremy Rockliff has announced their berth in Devonport is not set to be ready until February 2027, two and a half years later than originally estimated.

It is the latest twist in a saga that has caused great concern for Tasmania’s tourism industry, and led to the resignation of former deputy premier Michael Ferguson from cabinet, as well as key players from state-owned companies TT-Line and TasPorts.

The project to build new port infrastructure at Devonport has been beset by delays and cost blowout, and was last expected to be completed by January 2026.

Speaking of a best-case scenario, Mr Rockliff told a press conference in Devonport on Thursday that “if all goes well, we can have this done by October 2026.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-24/spirit-of-tasmania-ferries-to-be-leased-as-port-not-finished/104510896

It strikes me as very odd that they were made in Finland rather than Tasmania.

Shipbuilding, to build sea-going ships, is just about as ‘heavy industry’ as you can get.

You need a shipyard. Not somewhere that just makes e.g. aluminium runabouts, or fishing trawlers.

A big, big space, with heavy-lift cranes, heavy-duty power supply, metal working shops which can handle very large and heavy fabrications, a large number of other specialty facilities, a workforce that possesses a wide range of particular skills, good and affordable transport infrastructure for materials, anda lot of other things.

This is why you hear a lot of talk about ‘retaining an Australian shipbuilding industry’. For some reason, people forgetthat we live on an island, and we need ships. We should have a lot more australian ships than we have now.

Once you lose the facilities, the workforce, and the skills needed in shipbuilding, it’s very difficult and expensive to regain them.

AFAIK, Tasmania has never had such facilities.

AFAIK we export ships all around the world.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

It strikes me as very odd that they were made in Finland rather than Tasmania.

Shipbuilding, to build sea-going ships, is just about as ‘heavy industry’ as you can get.

You need a shipyard. Not somewhere that just makes e.g. aluminium runabouts, or fishing trawlers.

A big, big space, with heavy-lift cranes, heavy-duty power supply, metal working shops which can handle very large and heavy fabrications, a large number of other specialty facilities, a workforce that possesses a wide range of particular skills, good and affordable transport infrastructure for materials, anda lot of other things.

This is why you hear a lot of talk about ‘retaining an Australian shipbuilding industry’. For some reason, people forgetthat we live on an island, and we need ships. We should have a lot more australian ships than we have now.

Once you lose the facilities, the workforce, and the skills needed in shipbuilding, it’s very difficult and expensive to regain them.

AFAIK, Tasmania has never had such facilities.

AFAIK we export ships all around the world.

+1

Tasmanian vessels are very popular and currently include the world’s fastest passenger ship.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

It strikes me as very odd that they were made in Finland rather than Tasmania.

Shipbuilding, to build sea-going ships, is just about as ‘heavy industry’ as you can get.

You need a shipyard. Not somewhere that just makes e.g. aluminium runabouts, or fishing trawlers.

A big, big space, with heavy-lift cranes, heavy-duty power supply, metal working shops which can handle very large and heavy fabrications, a large number of other specialty facilities, a workforce that possesses a wide range of particular skills, good and affordable transport infrastructure for materials, anda lot of other things.

This is why you hear a lot of talk about ‘retaining an Australian shipbuilding industry’. For some reason, people forgetthat we live on an island, and we need ships. We should have a lot more australian ships than we have now.

Once you lose the facilities, the workforce, and the skills needed in shipbuilding, it’s very difficult and expensive to regain them.

AFAIK, Tasmania has never had such facilities.

AFAIK we export ships all around the world.

i remember getting on the ferry from Troon in Scotland to Belfast. I recognised the timber floors. that’s tassie oak! slowly realised i was in an incat.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

It strikes me as very odd that they were made in Finland rather than Tasmania.

Shipbuilding, to build sea-going ships, is just about as ‘heavy industry’ as you can get.

You need a shipyard. Not somewhere that just makes e.g. aluminium runabouts, or fishing trawlers.

A big, big space, with heavy-lift cranes, heavy-duty power supply, metal working shops which can handle very large and heavy fabrications, a large number of other specialty facilities, a workforce that possesses a wide range of particular skills, good and affordable transport infrastructure for materials, anda lot of other things.

This is why you hear a lot of talk about ‘retaining an Australian shipbuilding industry’. For some reason, people forgetthat we live on an island, and we need ships. We should have a lot more australian ships than we have now.

Once you lose the facilities, the workforce, and the skills needed in shipbuilding, it’s very difficult and expensive to regain them.

AFAIK, Tasmania has never had such facilities.

AFAIK we export ships all around the world.

Tasmania does, does it?

I’m not talking about Incat-type ferries. I’m talking about ships that could e.g. cross the Pacific or Atlantic, or a Bass Strait that’s chucking a tanty, with some confidence of arriving intact.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

The Tasmanian government says it is looking to lease out its two new Spirit of Tasmania ferries to a private operator until permanent port infrastructure is built at Devonport, after another blowout in the construction timeline.

Both ships are nearing completion in Finland, but Premier Jeremy Rockliff has announced their berth in Devonport is not set to be ready until February 2027, two and a half years later than originally estimated.

It is the latest twist in a saga that has caused great concern for Tasmania’s tourism industry, and led to the resignation of former deputy premier Michael Ferguson from cabinet, as well as key players from state-owned companies TT-Line and TasPorts.

The project to build new port infrastructure at Devonport has been beset by delays and cost blowout, and was last expected to be completed by January 2026.

Speaking of a best-case scenario, Mr Rockliff told a press conference in Devonport on Thursday that “if all goes well, we can have this done by October 2026.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-24/spirit-of-tasmania-ferries-to-be-leased-as-port-not-finished/104510896

It strikes me as very odd that they were made in Finland rather than Tasmania.

Shipbuilding, to build sea-going ships, is just about as ‘heavy industry’ as you can get.

You need a shipyard. Not somewhere that just makes e.g. aluminium runabouts, or fishing trawlers.

A big, big space, with heavy-lift cranes, heavy-duty power supply, metal working shops which can handle very large and heavy fabrications, a large number of other specialty facilities, a workforce that possesses a wide range of particular skills, good and affordable transport infrastructure for materials, anda lot of other things.

This is why you hear a lot of talk about ‘retaining an Australian shipbuilding industry’. For some reason, people forgetthat we live on an island, and we need ships. We should have a lot more australian ships than we have now.

Once you lose the facilities, the workforce, and the skills needed in shipbuilding, it’s very difficult and expensive to regain them.

AFAIK, Tasmania has never had such facilities.

I travelled from the Isle of Man (Irish Sea) to Liverpool on a car-carrying ferry built in Tasmania.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Shipbuilding, to build sea-going ships, is just about as ‘heavy industry’ as you can get.

You need a shipyard. Not somewhere that just makes e.g. aluminium runabouts, or fishing trawlers.

A big, big space, with heavy-lift cranes, heavy-duty power supply, metal working shops which can handle very large and heavy fabrications, a large number of other specialty facilities, a workforce that possesses a wide range of particular skills, good and affordable transport infrastructure for materials, anda lot of other things.

This is why you hear a lot of talk about ‘retaining an Australian shipbuilding industry’. For some reason, people forgetthat we live on an island, and we need ships. We should have a lot more australian ships than we have now.

Once you lose the facilities, the workforce, and the skills needed in shipbuilding, it’s very difficult and expensive to regain them.

AFAIK, Tasmania has never had such facilities.

AFAIK we export ships all around the world.

Tasmania does, does it?

I’m not talking about Incat-type ferries. I’m talking about ships that could e.g. cross the Pacific or Atlantic, or a Bass Strait that’s chucking a tanty, with some confidence of arriving intact.

yet incats do do that with added speed. what was great about the bass strait incat service was turnaround times and not needing to bunk dowwn overnight..

There was a shortage of room for freight and that is a thing.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

AFAIK we export ships all around the world.

Tasmania does, does it?

I’m not talking about Incat-type ferries. I’m talking about ships that could e.g. cross the Pacific or Atlantic, or a Bass Strait that’s chucking a tanty, with some confidence of arriving intact.

yet incats do do that with added speed. what was great about the bass strait incat service was turnaround times and not needing to bunk dowwn overnight..

There was a shortage of room for freight and that is a thing.

“They did have an incat in service at some stage but there were so many complaints about seasickness. bass strait can be really rugged.”

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

The Tasmanian government says it is looking to lease out its two new Spirit of Tasmania ferries to a private operator until permanent port infrastructure is built at Devonport, after another blowout in the construction timeline.

Both ships are nearing completion in Finland, but Premier Jeremy Rockliff has announced their berth in Devonport is not set to be ready until February 2027, two and a half years later than originally estimated.

It is the latest twist in a saga that has caused great concern for Tasmania’s tourism industry, and led to the resignation of former deputy premier Michael Ferguson from cabinet, as well as key players from state-owned companies TT-Line and TasPorts.

The project to build new port infrastructure at Devonport has been beset by delays and cost blowout, and was last expected to be completed by January 2026.

Speaking of a best-case scenario, Mr Rockliff told a press conference in Devonport on Thursday that “if all goes well, we can have this done by October 2026.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-24/spirit-of-tasmania-ferries-to-be-leased-as-port-not-finished/104510896

It strikes me as very odd that they were made in Finland rather than Tasmania.

Shipbuilding, to build sea-going ships, is just about as ‘heavy industry’ as you can get.

You need a shipyard. Not somewhere that just makes e.g. aluminium runabouts, or fishing trawlers.

A big, big space, with heavy-lift cranes, heavy-duty power supply, metal working shops which can handle very large and heavy fabrications, a large number of other specialty facilities, a workforce that possesses a wide range of particular skills, good and affordable transport infrastructure for materials, anda lot of other things.

This is why you hear a lot of talk about ‘retaining an Australian shipbuilding industry’. For some reason, people forgetthat we live on an island, and we need ships. We should have a lot more australian ships than we have now.

Once you lose the facilities, the workforce, and the skills needed in shipbuilding, it’s very difficult and expensive to regain them.

AFAIK, Tasmania has never had such facilities.

Yeah, they even struggle to get it together to construct a cable car or a sports stadium.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Tasmania does, does it?

I’m not talking about Incat-type ferries. I’m talking about ships that could e.g. cross the Pacific or Atlantic, or a Bass Strait that’s chucking a tanty, with some confidence of arriving intact.

yet incats do do that with added speed. what was great about the bass strait incat service was turnaround times and not needing to bunk dowwn overnight..

There was a shortage of room for freight and that is a thing.

“They did have an incat in service at some stage but there were so many complaints about seasickness. bass strait can be really rugged.”

Did a quick binge on Tasmanian ship building and found:

https://incat.com.au/australian-shipbuilder-incat-tasmania-to-deliver-the-worlds-largest-battery-electric-ship/

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Shipbuilding, to build sea-going ships, is just about as ‘heavy industry’ as you can get.

You need a shipyard. Not somewhere that just makes e.g. aluminium runabouts, or fishing trawlers.

A big, big space, with heavy-lift cranes, heavy-duty power supply, metal working shops which can handle very large and heavy fabrications, a large number of other specialty facilities, a workforce that possesses a wide range of particular skills, good and affordable transport infrastructure for materials, anda lot of other things.

This is why you hear a lot of talk about ‘retaining an Australian shipbuilding industry’. For some reason, people forgetthat we live on an island, and we need ships. We should have a lot more australian ships than we have now.

Once you lose the facilities, the workforce, and the skills needed in shipbuilding, it’s very difficult and expensive to regain them.

AFAIK, Tasmania has never had such facilities.

AFAIK we export ships all around the world.

i remember getting on the ferry from Troon in Scotland to Belfast. I recognised the timber floors. that’s tassie oak! slowly realised i was in an incat.

It seems that there only one Incat operating to Belfast, so you and I have likely been on the same ferry in the Irish Sea. MANANNAN.

https://incat.com.au/vessel-progress/current-fleet/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSC_Manannan

The Rev Dodgson said:

Did a quick binge on Tasmanian ship building and found:

https://incat.com.au/australian-shipbuilder-incat-tasmania-to-deliver-the-worlds-largest-battery-electric-ship/

It. Is. A. Ferry.

A. Catamaran. Ferry.

It is not an ocean-going ship.

There is a considerable difference between building a lightweight, fast, mostly aluminium ferry, and building an ocean-going ship.

No sane person would take to the open ocean, especially not for a long journey, in a catamaran of any sort or size.

The RAN ran an Incat ferry between Darwin and Dili while the INTERFET operation was under way. It was good for transporting people quickly, but pretty much useless othwerwise. It could operate when ‘good’ weather conditions could be confidently predicted.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

AFAIK we export ships all around the world.

Tasmania does, does it?

I’m not talking about Incat-type ferries. I’m talking about ships that could e.g. cross the Pacific or Atlantic, or a Bass Strait that’s chucking a tanty, with some confidence of arriving intact.

yet incats do do that with added speed. what was great about the bass strait incat service was turnaround times and not needing to bunk dowwn overnight..

There was a shortage of room for freight and that is a thing.

I crossed the Irish sea in one. Normally they do 40 knots but it was behind schedule so it reached 47 knots. (87 kph)

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Did a quick binge on Tasmanian ship building and found:

https://incat.com.au/australian-shipbuilder-incat-tasmania-to-deliver-the-worlds-largest-battery-electric-ship/

It. Is. A. Ferry.

A. Catamaran. Ferry.

It is not an ocean-going ship.

There is a considerable difference between building a lightweight, fast, mostly aluminium ferry, and building an ocean-going ship.

No sane person would take to the open ocean, especially not for a long journey, in a catamaran of any sort or size.

The RAN ran an Incat ferry between Darwin and Dili while the INTERFET operation was under way. It was good for transporting people quickly, but pretty much useless othwerwise. It could operate when ‘good’ weather conditions could be confidently predicted.

I just posted the link because I thought it was interesting. I wasn’t commenting on anything you had said.

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Did a quick binge on Tasmanian ship building and found:

https://incat.com.au/australian-shipbuilder-incat-tasmania-to-deliver-the-worlds-largest-battery-electric-ship/

It. Is. A. Ferry.

A. Catamaran. Ferry.

It is not an ocean-going ship.

There is a considerable difference between building a lightweight, fast, mostly aluminium ferry, and building an ocean-going ship.

No sane person would take to the open ocean, especially not for a long journey, in a catamaran of any sort or size.

The RAN ran an Incat ferry between Darwin and Dili while the INTERFET operation was under way. It was good for transporting people quickly, but pretty much useless othwerwise. It could operate when ‘good’ weather conditions could be confidently predicted.

I think the Polynesians used cats for their ocean travel

ChrispenEvan said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Did a quick binge on Tasmanian ship building and found:

https://incat.com.au/australian-shipbuilder-incat-tasmania-to-deliver-the-worlds-largest-battery-electric-ship/

It. Is. A. Ferry.

A. Catamaran. Ferry.

It is not an ocean-going ship.

There is a considerable difference between building a lightweight, fast, mostly aluminium ferry, and building an ocean-going ship.

No sane person would take to the open ocean, especially not for a long journey, in a catamaran of any sort or size.

The RAN ran an Incat ferry between Darwin and Dili while the INTERFET operation was under way. It was good for transporting people quickly, but pretty much useless othwerwise. It could operate when ‘good’ weather conditions could be confidently predicted.

I think the Polynesians used cats for their ocean travel

I think they used outriggers and/or double canoes.

Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

captain_spalding said:

It. Is. A. Ferry.

A. Catamaran. Ferry.

It is not an ocean-going ship.

There is a considerable difference between building a lightweight, fast, mostly aluminium ferry, and building an ocean-going ship.

No sane person would take to the open ocean, especially not for a long journey, in a catamaran of any sort or size.

The RAN ran an Incat ferry between Darwin and Dili while the INTERFET operation was under way. It was good for transporting people quickly, but pretty much useless othwerwise. It could operate when ‘good’ weather conditions could be confidently predicted.

I think the Polynesians used cats for their ocean travel

I think they used outriggers and/or double canoes.

yes, though a double canoe is a form of cat.

ChrispenEvan said:

Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I think the Polynesians used cats for their ocean travel

I think they used outriggers and/or double canoes.

yes, though a double canoe is a form of cat.

Indeed.

So captain thinks polynesians are all crazy, that’s pretty racist man.

dv said:

So captain thinks polynesians are all crazy, that’s pretty racist man.

I think that in here we should have complete freedom of speech.

damn these foreign interferencers

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-24/pacific-nations-pressure-australia-uk-canada-over-climate-record/104512144

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Shipbuilding, to build sea-going ships, is just about as ‘heavy industry’ as you can get.

You need a shipyard. Not somewhere that just makes e.g. aluminium runabouts, or fishing trawlers.

A big, big space, with heavy-lift cranes, heavy-duty power supply, metal working shops which can handle very large and heavy fabrications, a large number of other specialty facilities, a workforce that possesses a wide range of particular skills, good and affordable transport infrastructure for materials, anda lot of other things.

This is why you hear a lot of talk about ‘retaining an Australian shipbuilding industry’. For some reason, people forgetthat we live on an island, and we need ships. We should have a lot more australian ships than we have now.

Once you lose the facilities, the workforce, and the skills needed in shipbuilding, it’s very difficult and expensive to regain them.

AFAIK, Tasmania has never had such facilities.

AFAIK we export ships all around the world.

i remember getting on the ferry from Troon in Scotland to Belfast. I recognised the timber floors. that’s tassie oak! slowly realised i was in an incat.

I got a boat from Holyhead to Dublin on a Friday night,, it was full of paddies going home for the weekend and it was rough.
The decks were awash not necessarily with seawater.

ChrispenEvan said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Did a quick binge on Tasmanian ship building and found:

https://incat.com.au/australian-shipbuilder-incat-tasmania-to-deliver-the-worlds-largest-battery-electric-ship/

It. Is. A. Ferry.

A. Catamaran. Ferry.

It is not an ocean-going ship.

There is a considerable difference between building a lightweight, fast, mostly aluminium ferry, and building an ocean-going ship.

No sane person would take to the open ocean, especially not for a long journey, in a catamaran of any sort or size.

The RAN ran an Incat ferry between Darwin and Dili while the INTERFET operation was under way. It was good for transporting people quickly, but pretty much useless othwerwise. It could operate when ‘good’ weather conditions could be confidently predicted.

I think the Polynesians used cats for their ocean travel

Because that was the construction which was within the limits of the materials, facilities, tools, and technology that they had.

They did remarkable things, and it’s a pretty safe bet that a goodly number of them died doing those remarkable things.

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

captain_spalding said:

It. Is. A. Ferry.

A. Catamaran. Ferry.

It is not an ocean-going ship.

There is a considerable difference between building a lightweight, fast, mostly aluminium ferry, and building an ocean-going ship.

No sane person would take to the open ocean, especially not for a long journey, in a catamaran of any sort or size.

The RAN ran an Incat ferry between Darwin and Dili while the INTERFET operation was under way. It was good for transporting people quickly, but pretty much useless othwerwise. It could operate when ‘good’ weather conditions could be confidently predicted.

I think the Polynesians used cats for their ocean travel

Because that was the construction which was within the limits of the materials, facilities, tools, and technology that they had.

They did remarkable things, and it’s a pretty safe bet that a goodly number of them died doing those remarkable things.

there are also cats in round the world races.

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

captain_spalding said:

It. Is. A. Ferry.

A. Catamaran. Ferry.

It is not an ocean-going ship.

There is a considerable difference between building a lightweight, fast, mostly aluminium ferry, and building an ocean-going ship.

No sane person would take to the open ocean, especially not for a long journey, in a catamaran of any sort or size.

The RAN ran an Incat ferry between Darwin and Dili while the INTERFET operation was under way. It was good for transporting people quickly, but pretty much useless othwerwise. It could operate when ‘good’ weather conditions could be confidently predicted.

I think the Polynesians used cats for their ocean travel

Because that was the construction which was within the limits of the materials, facilities, tools, and technology that they had.

They did remarkable things, and it’s a pretty safe bet that a goodly number of them died doing those remarkable things.

While this is true, it’s not necessarily more difficult to build big ocean-going vessels than it is to build giant high-tech cats. It’s a matter of markets and specialist expertise and all that.

ChrispenEvan said:

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I think the Polynesians used cats for their ocean travel

Because that was the construction which was within the limits of the materials, facilities, tools, and technology that they had.

They did remarkable things, and it’s a pretty safe bet that a goodly number of them died doing those remarkable things.

there are also cats in round the world races.

Now, those people are loony.

I recall a time in the 1970s and the early 80s when catamarans would be wrecked or go missing off the east Australian coast at what seemed to be the rate of about one a week.

Single-hulled vessels are not that difficult to engineer to be ‘self-righting’.

When your big ocean-racing catamaran goes A over T, it’ll very much tend to stay that way. Same goes even if it’s a modest ‘weekender’.

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

captain_spalding said:

Because that was the construction which was within the limits of the materials, facilities, tools, and technology that they had.

They did remarkable things, and it’s a pretty safe bet that a goodly number of them died doing those remarkable things.

there are also cats in round the world races.

Now, those people are loony.

I recall a time in the 1970s and the early 80s when catamarans would be wrecked or go missing off the east Australian coast at what seemed to be the rate of about one a week.

Single-hulled vessels are not that difficult to engineer to be ‘self-righting’.

When your big ocean-racing catamaran goes A over T, it’ll very much tend to stay that way. Same goes even if it’s a modest ‘weekender’.

i remember when clifford stacked an incat into the iron pot on its trial run.

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

captain_spalding said:

Because that was the construction which was within the limits of the materials, facilities, tools, and technology that they had.

They did remarkable things, and it’s a pretty safe bet that a goodly number of them died doing those remarkable things.

there are also cats in round the world races.

Now, those people are loony.

I recall a time in the 1970s and the early 80s when catamarans would be wrecked or go missing off the east Australian coast at what seemed to be the rate of about one a week.

Single-hulled vessels are not that difficult to engineer to be ‘self-righting’.

When your big ocean-racing catamaran goes A over T, it’ll very much tend to stay that way. Same goes even if it’s a modest ‘weekender’.

Sounds right..

But Tony Bullimore managed…

Bubblecar said:

While this is true, it’s not necessarily more difficult to build big ocean-going vessels than it is to build giant high-tech cats. It’s a matter of markets and specialist expertise and all that.

Quite possibly, Incat could have tooled up to build ‘proper’ ships.

But, it would have meant significant investment in equipment and techniques for dealing with materials and methods that they currently don’t employ.

For them to do that, to just build two ferries would not be practical or economical. They’d have a lot of equipment, and be in a very competetive market, in which they’d be unlikely to do allthat well. So, a waste, in the long run.

Any politician would recognise the electoral value of ‘keeping the money here’ , So Incat was almost certainly approached over the matter, but i reckon it would have been Incat that said, ‘gee, thanks for thinking of us, but, really, you should talk to Meyer Turku in Finland, or Fincantieri in Italy’.

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

there are also cats in round the world races.

Now, those people are loony.

I recall a time in the 1970s and the early 80s when catamarans would be wrecked or go missing off the east Australian coast at what seemed to be the rate of about one a week.

Single-hulled vessels are not that difficult to engineer to be ‘self-righting’.

When your big ocean-racing catamaran goes A over T, it’ll very much tend to stay that way. Same goes even if it’s a modest ‘weekender’.

Sounds right..

But Tony Bullimore managed…

You can see that the keel has snapped off from the bottom of his vessel.

The keel is needed for ‘self-righting’ . It’s the weight ofthe keel that give the ‘moment’ needed to roll the vessel upright again.

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

there are also cats in round the world races.

Now, those people are loony.

I recall a time in the 1970s and the early 80s when catamarans would be wrecked or go missing off the east Australian coast at what seemed to be the rate of about one a week.

Single-hulled vessels are not that difficult to engineer to be ‘self-righting’.

When your big ocean-racing catamaran goes A over T, it’ll very much tend to stay that way. Same goes even if it’s a modest ‘weekender’.

Sounds right..

But Tony Bullimore managed…

“the keel fell off”
“yeah”
“that’s not very typical. I’d like to make that point.”“

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

While this is true, it’s not necessarily more difficult to build big ocean-going vessels than it is to build giant high-tech cats. It’s a matter of markets and specialist expertise and all that.

Quite possibly, Incat could have tooled up to build ‘proper’ ships.

But, it would have meant significant investment in equipment and techniques for dealing with materials and methods that they currently don’t employ.

For them to do that, to just build two ferries would not be practical or economical. They’d have a lot of equipment, and be in a very competetive market, in which they’d be unlikely to do allthat well. So, a waste, in the long run.

Any politician would recognise the electoral value of ‘keeping the money here’ , So Incat was almost certainly approached over the matter, but i reckon it would have been Incat that said, ‘gee, thanks for thinking of us, but, really, you should talk to Meyer Turku in Finland, or Fincantieri in Italy’.

incat benefits from being almost next door to ez aluminum and has cheap electrickery thrown in. they do make a lot of ships and they do have a lot of staff and the govt has thrown some money at them over the years. i thnk the materials for big ships would be easier to get on the mainland too. In one of those states that vie for building naval ships.

aside from that we have some great lines in clinker built huon pine baby boats.

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

Now, those people are loony.

I recall a time in the 1970s and the early 80s when catamarans would be wrecked or go missing off the east Australian coast at what seemed to be the rate of about one a week.

Single-hulled vessels are not that difficult to engineer to be ‘self-righting’.

When your big ocean-racing catamaran goes A over T, it’ll very much tend to stay that way. Same goes even if it’s a modest ‘weekender’.

Sounds right..

But Tony Bullimore managed…

You can see that the keel has snapped off from the bottom of his vessel.

The keel is needed for ‘self-righting’ . It’s the weight ofthe keel that give the ‘moment’ needed to roll the vessel upright again.

IKR

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

there are also cats in round the world races.

Now, those people are loony.

I recall a time in the 1970s and the early 80s when catamarans would be wrecked or go missing off the east Australian coast at what seemed to be the rate of about one a week.

Single-hulled vessels are not that difficult to engineer to be ‘self-righting’.

When your big ocean-racing catamaran goes A over T, it’ll very much tend to stay that way. Same goes even if it’s a modest ‘weekender’.

i remember when clifford stacked an incat into the iron pot on its trial run.

Could you expand on that, please?

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Now, those people are loony.

I recall a time in the 1970s and the early 80s when catamarans would be wrecked or go missing off the east Australian coast at what seemed to be the rate of about one a week.

Single-hulled vessels are not that difficult to engineer to be ‘self-righting’.

When your big ocean-racing catamaran goes A over T, it’ll very much tend to stay that way. Same goes even if it’s a modest ‘weekender’.

i remember when clifford stacked an incat into the iron pot on its trial run.

Could you expand on that, please?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=713375179457246

i got my rock wrong. it was blackjack rock.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

i remember when clifford stacked an incat into the iron pot on its trial run.

Could you expand on that, please?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=713375179457246

i got my rock wrong. it was blackjack rock.

Thanks.

:)

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Could you expand on that, please?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=713375179457246

i got my rock wrong. it was blackjack rock.

Thanks.

:)

exciting trip for the new owners and their wives.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=713375179457246

i got my rock wrong. it was blackjack rock.

Thanks.

:)

exciting trip for the new owners and their wives.

I’ll say.

sarahs mum said:

aside from that we have some great lines in clinker built huon pine baby boats.

Any time you’d like to buy me one of those, i would be most ready to receive it.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=713375179457246

i got my rock wrong. it was blackjack rock.

Thanks.

:)

exciting trip for the new owners and their wives.

Got rather dull, once it was stuck on the rocks.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

aside from that we have some great lines in clinker built huon pine baby boats.

Any time you’d like to buy me one of those, i would be most ready to receive it.

you could have a holiday sometime volunteering in the shed…

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

aside from that we have some great lines in clinker built huon pine baby boats.

Any time you’d like to buy me one of those, i would be most ready to receive it.

you could have a holiday sometime volunteering in the shed…

Your shed, or the boatbuilder’s?

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Any time you’d like to buy me one of those, i would be most ready to receive it.

you could have a holiday sometime volunteering in the shed…

Your shed, or the boatbuilder’s?

the boatbuilder’s. in franklin.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

you could have a holiday sometime volunteering in the shed…

Your shed, or the boatbuilder’s?

the boatbuilder’s. in franklin.

https://www.woodenboatcentre.com/

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

you could have a holiday sometime volunteering in the shed…

Your shed, or the boatbuilder’s?

the boatbuilder’s. in franklin.

Boatbuilding is not carpentry. It’s an art, whereas carpentry is a trade. I’ve seen so many boats that have been refurbished, and it takes only alook to know whether it was done by a boatbuilder, or by a carpenter.

I can’t imagine that any boatbuilder would have a use for an untrained duffer like me.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Your shed, or the boatbuilder’s?

the boatbuilder’s. in franklin.

https://www.woodenboatcentre.com/

Shouldn’t that be: https://www.woodenboatcentreforthefabulouslywealthy.com/ ?

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

the boatbuilder’s. in franklin.

https://www.woodenboatcentre.com/

Shouldn’t that be: https://www.woodenboatcentreforthefabulouslywealthy.com/ ?

to quote one of my syd northern beaches friends..‘everyone down here has the arse out of their pants.’ we have a shortage of fabulously wealthy.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

Your shed, or the boatbuilder’s?

the boatbuilder’s. in franklin.

Boatbuilding is not carpentry. It’s an art, whereas carpentry is a trade. I’ve seen so many boats that have been refurbished, and it takes only alook to know whether it was done by a boatbuilder, or by a carpenter.

I can’t imagine that any boatbuilder would have a use for an untrained duffer like me.

My sister is a carpenter and she spent about a year on the New Endeavour (replica of Cooks ship) as the (volunteer) ship’s carpenter. SShe said it was amazing. Nothing was plumb or square.