Gas industry in damage control as landmark study finds LNG ‘worse than coal’ for the climate

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-19/gas-emissions-worse-than-coal-study-finds/104481570

PermeateFree said:

Gas industry in damage control as landmark study finds LNG ‘worse than coal’ for the climate

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-19/gas-emissions-worse-than-coal-study-finds/104481570

Did read that.
People should be aware that Methane is a far greater risk than Carbon when put in the mix.

It must be mentioned that this study specifically concerns US gas obtained by fracking, not conventional gas. Pretty much all of the problem is due to leakage, not the combustion of the gas by the end user. The problem seems to be down to a combination of lax regulation and corporate unwillingness to care about leakage as anything more than a cost of doing business.

But I am sure there will be a stampede of people wanting to portray this as an evil of all natural gas, even from conventional sources in countries where fracking is not permitted.

party_pants said:

It must be mentioned that this study specifically concerns US gas obtained by fracking, not conventional gas. Pretty much all of the problem is due to leakage, not the combustion of the gas by the end user. The problem seems to be down to a combination of lax regulation and corporate unwillingness to care about leakage as anything more than a cost of doing business.

But I am sure there will be a stampede of people wanting to portray this as an evil of all natural gas, even from conventional sources in countries where fracking is not permitted.

There are considerable methane leaks in Australia especially during extraction.

Satellite Data Reveals Underreported Aussie Methane

In response to the preliminary findings from the Superpower Institute’s new Open Methane platform, the Australian Conservation Foundation’s methane campaigner Piper Rollins said:

“The initial results from the Open Methane platform show climate-heating methane emissions from Australia’s coal and gas sector are being massively underestimated.

“Crucially, the findings suggest the coal and gas sectors could be emitting as much methane pollution as agriculture.

“While many farmers are taking steps to reduce emissions from their herds, coal and gas projects are derailing Australia’s progress on cutting climate pollution.

“Methane is a potent, highly polluting gas that’s turbocharging heatwaves, bushfires and other extreme weather events.

“When ACF was recently in Queensland’s Surat Basin, filming with our methane-revealing optical gas imaging camera, nearly every single gas facility we could access was freely leaking methane, so it’s no surprise to see Condamine among the top 20 methane hotspots.

“It’s disgraceful that the Albanese government last month approved three coal mine extensions, two of which – Mount Pleasant in the Hunter Valley and Narrabri Underground – are showing up as major methane hotspots.

“The massive under-reporting of methane emissions means Australia’s national emissions accounting is inaccurate and meeting our climate targets will be even harder.

“This is likely to be the tip of the iceberg when it comes to whole-of-life emissions from the coal and gas sectors.

https://www.miragenews.com/satellite-data-reveals-underreported-aussie-1332993/

There are thousands of insufficiently capped derelict wells in the USA, pissing methane and various sulfur compounds.

In terms of energy production, NG produces about half the ghg emissions of coal per kWh.

has to has a nap do does me I sleepy

apologies for that

dv said:

There are thousands of insufficiently capped derelict wells in the USA, pissing methane and various sulfur compounds.

In terms of energy production, NG produces about half the ghg emissions of coal per kWh.

The only problem being is methane produces 80 times more greenhouse effects than coal.

what next is someone going to discover that small modular nuclear is shit or that koalas defecate in eucalypt forests

so anyway this is good news if we saturate the methane window then gas really will stop contributing to warming

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

There are thousands of insufficiently capped derelict wells in the USA, pissing methane and various sulfur compounds.

In terms of energy production, NG produces about half the ghg emissions of coal per kWh.

The only problem being is methane produces 80 times more greenhouse effects than coal.

when burnt for power generation the by products are CO2 and water. I think that is what DV was meaning.

dv said:

There are thousands of insufficiently capped derelict wells in the USA, pissing methane and various sulfur compounds.

In terms of energy production, NG produces about half the ghg emissions of coal per kWh.

Plus, in Australia, the fugitive emissions per kWh from coal are worse than for NG. So in both ways, emissions from coal are much higher than gas per kWh.

The situation in the US may well be different because of poor regulation of legacy projects.

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

There are thousands of insufficiently capped derelict wells in the USA, pissing methane and various sulfur compounds.

In terms of energy production, NG produces about half the ghg emissions of coal per kWh.

The only problem being is methane produces 80 times more greenhouse effects than coal.

when burnt for power generation the by products are CO2 and water. I think that is what DV was meaning.

Well you have to extract it from the ground and get it to where it is to be used. Not much benefit to only seek out the good bits and ignore the less obvious but very bad aspects. I wish people would look more into the future and what we are currently doing to influence the problem, yet we build these things up as if they will save us. Well sorry but they won’t so says scientific study. This is not my assessment, I’m just the messenger.

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

The only problem being is methane produces 80 times more greenhouse effects than coal.

when burnt for power generation the by products are CO2 and water. I think that is what DV was meaning.

Well you have to extract it from the ground and get it to where it is to be used. Not much benefit to only seek out the good bits and ignore the less obvious but very bad aspects. I wish people would look more into the future and what we are currently doing to influence the problem, yet we build these things up as if they will save us. Well sorry but they won’t so says scientific study. This is not my assessment, I’m just the messenger.

it was just a specific observation to using gas for power generation. other specifics to the use of gas have been mentioned.

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

when burnt for power generation the by products are CO2 and water. I think that is what DV was meaning.

Well you have to extract it from the ground and get it to where it is to be used. Not much benefit to only seek out the good bits and ignore the less obvious but very bad aspects. I wish people would look more into the future and what we are currently doing to influence the problem, yet we build these things up as if they will save us. Well sorry but they won’t so says scientific study. This is not my assessment, I’m just the messenger.

it was just a specific observation to using gas for power generation. other specifics to the use of gas have been mentioned.

I don’t think it matters where and how it is used because it is the finding, extraction, site maintenance and gas movement is where most gas is lost.

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

Well you have to extract it from the ground and get it to where it is to be used. Not much benefit to only seek out the good bits and ignore the less obvious but very bad aspects. I wish people would look more into the future and what we are currently doing to influence the problem, yet we build these things up as if they will save us. Well sorry but they won’t so says scientific study. This is not my assessment, I’m just the messenger.

it was just a specific observation to using gas for power generation. other specifics to the use of gas have been mentioned.

I don’t think it matters where and how it is used because it is the finding, extraction, site maintenance and gas movement is where most gas is lost.

as has been mentioned.

oh all right so instead of all that someone is going to say well our religion says gas is bad, even if you renewable hydrocarbon neosynthesise that methane you should go to hell

SCIENCE said:

oh all right so instead of all that someone is going to say well our religion says gas is bad, even if you renewable hydrocarbon neosynthesise that methane you should go to hell

Global Warming is real and with us now. It is not a religion.

If approved, the North West Shelf extension would extend Woodside’s LNG processing and export from the Burrup Hub until 2070, generating 6 billion tonnes of emissions.

This would make it the biggest fossil fuel project in the Southern Hemisphere, releasing more than 13-times Australia’s total annual emissions over the project lifetime.

Conservation Council of Western Australia

That’s not what people around me say, so perhaps its not good

it’s the greatest

SCIENCE said:

it’s the greatest

It is much nicer to cook on a stove top than electricity.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

it’s the greatest

It is much nicer to cook on a stove top than electricity.

we were reliably told that if you can get a 3 kW electric stove then it’s as good or better