Ah yes, Bridget McKenzie was the sports rorts person. I seem to recall that I remarked to the radio in the car the other day when I heard her spruiking about Albo and his flight upgrades – “be careful what you wish for, lady”.
buffy said:
Ah yes, Bridget McKenzie was the sports rorts person. I seem to recall that I remarked to the radio in the car the other day when I heard her spruiking about Albo and his flight upgrades – “be careful what you wish for, lady”.
“The difference between myself and the prime minister is that the prime minister was the minister for transport. He was actually in charge of regulating the aviation sector,” she said.
ha.
sooo Albans was a genius for letting the inferno get hot before turning the blowtorch around and giving their opposition a chance to melt their own snowflakes
NSW Government Re-Commits to Failed Zero Tolerance Approach Ahead of Drug Summit
NSW is so ready for drug law reform that it hurts to watch a party like NSW Labor come to power, with many members, just like all the NSW Greens, having been actively campaigning on the need for reform for years, only to then have a leader at the helm opposed to the want of the community.
NSW Labor announced the NSW Drug Summit would be held over four days in October and December, and those passionate about it praised NSW premier Chris Minns for doing this, when it didn’t deserve any as it was what he was expected to do post-election but had been stalling on.
On being asked about why Minns had postponed the drug summit indefinitely and straight out refused contemplation of drug decriminalisation late last August, NSW MLC Cate Faehrmann put it down to the Murdoch press pushing him into a corner, as he’d promised otherwise preelection.
But last week, when the ABC asked him about the parliamentary cannabis inquiry exploring decriminalisation, he now claims it was an election promise to deny such reform, and the Janus premier then went on to shoot down a proposal to roll out pill testing to save lives pre-summit.
Drug law reform is not just about allowing the large numbers of the constituency who partake in illicit drug possession and use to enjoy themselves without fear of punishment, as it’s more so to do with those who develop a dependency, can’t deal with it and yet, are punished instead of being given social support…
Ian said:
NSW Government Re-Commits to Failed Zero Tolerance Approach Ahead of Drug SummitNSW is so ready for drug law reform that it hurts to watch a party like NSW Labor come to power, with many members, just like all the NSW Greens, having been actively campaigning on the need for reform for years, only to then have a leader at the helm opposed to the want of the community.
NSW Labor announced the NSW Drug Summit would be held over four days in October and December, and those passionate about it praised NSW premier Chris Minns for doing this, when it didn’t deserve any as it was what he was expected to do post-election but had been stalling on.
On being asked about why Minns had postponed the drug summit indefinitely and straight out refused contemplation of drug decriminalisation late last August, NSW MLC Cate Faehrmann put it down to the Murdoch press pushing him into a corner, as he’d promised otherwise preelection.
But last week, when the ABC asked him about the parliamentary cannabis inquiry exploring decriminalisation, he now claims it was an election promise to deny such reform, and the Janus premier then went on to shoot down a proposal to roll out pill testing to save lives pre-summit.
Drug law reform is not just about allowing the large numbers of the constituency who partake in illicit drug possession and use to enjoy themselves without fear of punishment, as it’s more so to do with those who develop a dependency, can’t deal with it and yet, are punished instead of being given social support…
At least Victoria have this happening: Amendment to allow Victorian medicinal cannabis users to drive passes upper house
Ian said:
NSW Government Re-Commits to Failed Zero Tolerance Approach Ahead of Drug SummitNSW is so ready for drug law reform that it hurts to watch a party like NSW Labor come to power, with many members, just like all the NSW Greens, having been actively campaigning on the need for reform for years, only to then have a leader at the helm opposed to the want of the community.
NSW Labor announced the NSW Drug Summit would be held over four days in October and December, and those passionate about it praised NSW premier Chris Minns for doing this, when it didn’t deserve any as it was what he was expected to do post-election but had been stalling on.
On being asked about why Minns had postponed the drug summit indefinitely and straight out refused contemplation of drug decriminalisation late last August, NSW MLC Cate Faehrmann put it down to the Murdoch press pushing him into a corner, as he’d promised otherwise preelection.
But last week, when the ABC asked him about the parliamentary cannabis inquiry exploring decriminalisation, he now claims it was an election promise to deny such reform, and the Janus premier then went on to shoot down a proposal to roll out pill testing to save lives pre-summit.
Drug law reform is not just about allowing the large numbers of the constituency who partake in illicit drug possession and use to enjoy themselves without fear of punishment, as it’s more so to do with those who develop a dependency, can’t deal with it and yet, are punished instead of being given social support…
One of Minns allies should reminded him that he is effectively an employee of the NSW parliamentary Labor party and can be replaced at a moment’s notice.
Three seats remain undecided in Qld.
One of these, Aspley, is a fairly straightforward situation where the count is fairly close. Amanda Cooper of the LNP leads Bart Mellish of the ALP by about 100 votes with some 4000 votes left to be counted.
The other two, Mulgrave and South Brisbane, will be determined by preference dynamics.
In South Brisbane, it is possible that after distribution of preferences from One Nation etc, ALP will slip to third behind the LNP and Greens. If that happens, ALP preference will elect the Greens.
In Mulgrave, after distribution of preferences from One Nation and Independents, ALP may slip to third behind the LNP and Katter Australia Party and if that happens, ALP preferences will probably elect KAP.
Interesting for psephology nerds.
dv said:
Three seats remain undecided in Qld.
One of these, Aspley, is a fairly straightforward situation where the count is fairly close. Amanda Cooper of the LNP leads Bart Mellish of the ALP by about 100 votes with some 4000 votes left to be counted.
The other two, Mulgrave and South Brisbane, will be determined by preference dynamics.
In South Brisbane, it is possible that after distribution of preferences from One Nation etc, ALP will slip to third behind the LNP and Greens. If that happens, ALP preference will elect the Greens.
In Mulgrave, after distribution of preferences from One Nation and Independents, ALP may slip to third behind the LNP and Katter Australia Party and if that happens, ALP preferences will probably elect KAP.
Interesting for psephology nerds.
Thanks for that.
I see that Trump’s make-up has been discussed. So what about Pauline eh?
Ian said:
NSW Government Re-Commits to Failed Zero Tolerance Approach Ahead of Drug SummitNSW is so ready for drug law reform that it hurts to watch a party like NSW Labor come to power, with many members, just like all the NSW Greens, having been actively campaigning on the need for reform for years, only to then have a leader at the helm opposed to the want of the community.
NSW Labor announced the NSW Drug Summit would be held over four days in October and December, and those passionate about it praised NSW premier Chris Minns for doing this, when it didn’t deserve any as it was what he was expected to do post-election but had been stalling on.
On being asked about why Minns had postponed the drug summit indefinitely and straight out refused contemplation of drug decriminalisation late last August, NSW MLC Cate Faehrmann put it down to the Murdoch press pushing him into a corner, as he’d promised otherwise preelection.
But last week, when the ABC asked him about the parliamentary cannabis inquiry exploring decriminalisation, he now claims it was an election promise to deny such reform, and the Janus premier then went on to shoot down a proposal to roll out pill testing to save lives pre-summit.
Drug law reform is not just about allowing the large numbers of the constituency who partake in illicit drug possession and use to enjoy themselves without fear of punishment, as it’s more so to do with those who develop a dependency, can’t deal with it and yet, are punished instead of being given social support…
It’s because the Liberals are all about punishing people. For being poor, for being sick, for being ignorant, for being despondent, etc. etc.
They saw those old films where someone is hysterical, going off their nut, and someone slaps them across the face, and they say ‘thanks, i needed that’ and they go on to function like a little hero for the rest of the film.
“There’s your answer”, was their reaction.
roughbarked said:
I see that Trump’s make-up has been discussed. So what about Pauline eh?
What did Sarah Palin say about lipstick and pitbulls?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
I see that Trump’s make-up has been discussed. So what about Pauline eh?
What did Sarah Palin say about lipstick and pitbulls?
Dunno. I didn’t listen to much of her wordspew.
All up there appears to have been a 7% swing to the LNP on a two-party preferred basis. The ALP has lost, net, at least 14 seats.
There’s been a lot of talk about the cause of the Green’s poor performance but now that the dust has settled it appears they have increased their vote share from 9.5% last time to 9.8% this time and might well end up with the same number of seats as last time, 2.
Not long ago the ALP held 8 out of 9 governments in Australia and was looking like having at least a decent shot in Tasmania to make it wall to wall.
They didn’t quite get there in Tasmania and since then have lost power in NT and Qld but retained in ACT.
It’s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2025 federal election: my view is that minority govt by one party or the other is almost assured and that Dutton would probably find it hard to manage his relationships with the Teals and Greens but a lot can happen in a few months.
It;s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2026 Victorian election.
It’s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2027 NSW election.
Could well have a situation soon where the ALP only holds in WA, SA and the ACT.
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Not long ago the ALP held 8 out of 9 governments in Australia and was looking like having at least a decent shot in Tasmania to make it wall to wall.They didn’t quite get there in Tasmania and since then have lost power in NT and Qld but retained in ACT.
It’s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2025 federal election: my view is that minority govt by one party or the other is almost assured and that Dutton would probably find it hard to manage his relationships with the Teals and Greens but a lot can happen in a few months.
It;s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2026 Victorian election.
It’s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2027 NSW election.Could well have a situation soon where the ALP only holds in WA, SA and the ACT.
it wouldn’t take much for the libs to fall apart in Tas.
dv said:
All up there appears to have been a 7% swing to the LNP on a two-party preferred basis. The ALP has lost, net, at least 14 seats.There’s been a lot of talk about the cause of the Green’s poor performance but now that the dust has settled it appears they have increased their vote share from 9.5% last time to 9.8% this time and might well end up with the same number of seats as last time, 2.
so in a time of ecodisaster they do badly relative to how they should
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dv said:
Not long ago the ALP held 8 out of 9 governments in Australia and was looking like having at least a decent shot in Tasmania to make it wall to wall.They didn’t quite get there in Tasmania and since then have lost power in NT and Qld but retained in ACT.
It’s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2025 federal election: my view is that minority govt by one party or the other is almost assured and that Dutton would probably find it hard to manage his relationships with the Teals and Greens but a lot can happen in a few months.
It;s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2026 Victorian election.
It’s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2027 NSW election.Could well have a situation soon where the ALP only holds in WA, SA and the ACT.
it wouldn’t take much for the libs to fall apart in Tas.
well did the communists make good use of their time in consolidation maybe that’s part of the problem
dv said:
Not long ago the ALP held 8 out of 9 governments in Australia and was looking like having at least a decent shot in Tasmania to make it wall to wall.They didn’t quite get there in Tasmania and since then have lost power in NT and Qld but retained in ACT.
It’s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2025 federal election: my view is that minority govt by one party or the other is almost assured and that Dutton would probably find it hard to manage his relationships with the Teals and Greens but a lot can happen in a few months.
It;s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2026 Victorian election.
It’s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2027 NSW election.Could well have a situation soon where the ALP only holds in WA, SA and the ACT.
it feels a bit like what happens in the fed election next year will influence what happens in the upcoming state elections – people seem not to like to have the same party in charge everywhere
Minns is one of the chaps, an old-style Menzies Liberal.
Speaking of which, in the final distribution of preferences in the ACT, the Greens did in fact win a fourth seat compared to the three that were predicted on election night.
This means that the Liberals did not make any gains in seats. The situation before was ALP 10, LIB 9, GRN 6, and the situation after was ALP 10, LIB 9, GRN 4, with the Greens losing seats to independents.
Leanne Castley replaced Michelle Lee as Liberal leader in the ACT.
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The final results in Northern Territory was 17 CLP, 4 ALP, 1 Green. This was a genuine landslide with a 10.4% swing and the ALP leader Eva Lawler losing her own seat.
This was the first time the Greens have won a seat in the NT assembly.
Eva Lawler was replaced as leader by Selena Jane Malijarri Uibo. Her mother is an aboriginal woman from Arnhem Land, and her father was born in Sydney, son of an Estonian immigrant.
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dv said:
Not long ago the ALP held 8 out of 9 governments in Australia and was looking like having at least a decent shot in Tasmania to make it wall to wall.They didn’t quite get there in Tasmania and since then have lost power in NT and Qld but retained in ACT.
It’s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2025 federal election: my view is that minority govt by one party or the other is almost assured and that Dutton would probably find it hard to manage his relationships with the Teals and Greens but a lot can happen in a few months.
It;s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2026 Victorian election.
It’s neck-and-neck in the polling for the 2027 NSW election.Could well have a situation soon where the ALP only holds in WA, SA and the ACT.
it feels a bit like what happens in the fed election next year will influence what happens in the upcoming state elections – people seem not to like to have the same party in charge everywhere
This is one of the downsides of having all the states, territory and federal govt (bar Tas) on the same 4 year cycle. It means that the same states always trail the Fed election, or always lead the Fed election.
political popularity contests should learn something from cicada life cycles
SCIENCE said:
political popularity contests should learn something from cicada life cycles
Or introduce a random element. Spice up your life.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
political popularity contests should learn something from cicada life cycles
Or introduce a random element. Spice up your life.
Good point, just give everyone a vote a month, and people can either choose to update their preferences or do nothing, and when the criterion reaches some kind of threshold then the winning team switches over.
A Victorian Greens MP is stepping down from the party room after admitting to having a relationship with a staff member from his office.
ABC News:
That’s our Bridget.
If it’s not a hand in the till, it’s a foot in the mouth.
SCIENCE said:
A Victorian Greens MP is stepping down from the party room after admitting to having a relationship with a staff member from his office.
Jail them.
Pauline Hanson Found Guilty | 10 News First
Pauline the racist.
Just as yous all predicted saw and hindsightlaughed at the selffootshooting Corruption blabber over declared flight upgrades, now passports.
The audit comes in the wake of a political stoush over a massive increase in wait times for Australian passports in 2022 in the wake of the COVID-19 lockdowns. A separate audit tabled early this year criticised the passport office for failing to plan for a surge in demand for passports after restrictions were eased. The federal government has since lifted passport fees and brought that wait time sharply down, saying the Coalition must take the blame for presiding over the blowout. Shadow foreign affairs minister Simon Birmingham criticised the fee increase on Friday, saying the audit “revealed unethical and grave misuse of taxpayer’s money” in the passport office, signalling the Coalition would grill DFAT officials on the issue at Senate estimates next week. But Assistant Foreign Affairs Minister Tim Watts said the report identified “long-standing issues” within the passport office. “The Albanese government takes these issues very seriously and is investigating further. The government will consider any further actions that may need to be taken in response,” he said. “Since the election of the Albanese government, we have been supporting the Australian Passport Office to undertake long-overdue improvements to its internal systems and processes to ensure it is able to efficiently deliver services to Australians.”
Lengthy passport delays cause anguish for expectant travellers was datestamped as “Mon 30 May 2022” and pretty sure the fuckoff was given on 2022-05-21 so this is clearly not “long-standing issues” and Dirty Communist Labor should take all the responsibility and blame instead of passing it to Corruption.
Asked whether the utilities were failing regional customers, Mr Whitby defended their records. “There are occasions when there are power outages. No system and no utility can guard against that,” he said. “There isn’t another thing we can do, or another dollar we can spend, that can do more to secure power supply for Kalgoorlie.”
LOL
But he conceded the city was reliant on “1970s technology” to guarantee reliable power. He said the government had spent $130 million over three years strengthening the local power network, including increasing staffing, allowing for “black start” capacity on the West Kalgoorlie Power Station’s turbines, and seeking increasing support from local contractors.
oh wait that’s right it’s … uh … batteries
local redundant battery backed microgrids would have prevented this
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https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/17701/
Wednesday night, a spokesperson for Mr Albanese said he “did not ever call Alan Joyce seeking an upgrade”.
The spokesperson did not elaborate on whether Mr Albanese used other means, such as texts, to request upgrades.
Strangely, they also didn’t mention whether Mr Albanese called Alan Joyce requesting a callback, and whether Alan Joyce made any callbacks to offer upgrades¡
“…a spokesperson for Mr Albanese said he “did not ever call Alan Joyce seeking an upgrade”.
Well, duhhh, what do you think that PMs have staff for?
Also, does anyone really imagine that Albo would be the first PM to pull this kind of shit?
I think it’s silly that the detractors think Albo would have to ask to be upgraded. They bump up nobodies who travel a lot let alone prime ministers.
LOL so last night we thought they were just being silly but
The prime minister’s office has issued a denial Anthony Albanese ever called Alan Joyce requesting upgrades. A further statement denying any forms of contact, as well as clarifications from ministers, was given this morning.
guess there’s some deeper tactical play going on here, encouraging the digging, maybe turn it around shortly and burn some bandwagon bullies¡
Liberal MP adds several undisclosed flight upgrades, as politicians begin combing through old flight records
Link
There, you
see,
Peter Dutton has corrected remarks that he never requested access to mining magnate Gina Rinehart’s private jet. Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has admitted his own error after saying he had never requested access to billionaire mining magnate Gina Rinehart’s private jet in his travels. Mr Dutton has previously declared flights provided by Hancock Prospecting, owned by Ms Rinehart, but on Tuesday said “no” when asked if he had ever personally asked to be flown courtesy of the nation’s richest woman. On Thursday he corrected that remark, admitting his office had spoken to Ms Rinehart’s office “as to whether the plane might be available” for him to attend a Bali bombing memorial service in Sydney.
yous knew there was going to be some squeezing and wedging and dacking, trying to catch someone with their pants down, like Pauline.
LOL fuck
Mr Dutton said questions around other MP flight declarations were the federal government “throwing mud” to distract from its troubles.
this shamelessness.
🤯
tell yous what would actually make these ruling classmates look like decent people of the people though, like representatives in touch with their constituents though, have they ever considered turning down a significant proportion of upgrade offers, have they declared those episodes, maybe suggest to the airline that they forward the upgrade to someone else on the same flight, someone else in more need perhaps, imagine
They basically consider it privilege for making it to public representative. The public shuld pay for us to represent oursleves. Not a lot different from where Trump wants to get to.
They should all be audited on personal expenses like other public servants are
If outright fraud is committed it should be properly investigated.
We mean sure life could be more fair and we don’t exactly like it, but
businesses are known to provide perks to public persons to promote their product, so
since we live where we live and have to accept surveillance capitalism, we accept for now that this happens
but
that doesn’t mean that a public person being modest and generous and decent and kind might not in fact create more positive publicity, both for them and for the business providing the perks
and
even if they forgot to declare some of these, such an act would go a long way to defusing the scandal bomb
so
it’s clear to us that the pervasive short termism that already poisons governance also feeds distrust in politics in this way.
NOTE
we also see young arseholes taking seats aggressively on public transport to get ahead of pregnant men/women/xen/‘en or infants/elderly so we also accept that politicians represent the people that they do
Ah yes, Bridget McKenzie was the sports rorts person. I seem to recall that I remarked to the radio in the car the other day when I heard her spruiking about Albo and his flight upgrades – “be careful what you wish for, lady”.
“The difference between myself and the prime minister is that the prime minister was the minister for transport. He was actually in charge of regulating the aviation sector,” she said.
ha.
sooo Albans was a genius for letting the inferno get hot before turning the blowtorch around and giving their opposition a chance to melt their own snowflakes
ABC News:
That’s our Bridget.
If it’s not a hand in the till, it’s a foot in the mouth.
calling it like it is
The mea culpa was leapt on by Labor frontbencher Bill Shorten who said the Liberal Party had “wasted a week of the nation’s life, which we’re not going to get back”. “All they’ve done is try and throw mud, and most of it’s ended up on their own face,’’ he said. “Where is Peter Dutton? I mean, he’s famously got a glass jaw. Now we know he lives in a glass house. The Prime Minister declared all of his upgrades. How’s that going, Bridget? And I just think we need to get back the cost of living. “The Prime Minister is under an obligation to declare these matters. He literally has. And instead, we’ve had the Opposition carry on like they are a choir of angels. So they’ve got a, you know, they’ve put themselves up to a higher standard. And let’s face it, it’s just blown up in their face.”
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The Internet tells me that Penny Wong dropped $3.4 million on a house.
Seems careless.
Is this another one of those Labor tricks like the flight upgrades thing, they’re going for the Corruption outrage again and letting it build until it’s ridiculous, then flip the bird and flip the outrage and point that finger and outage at the Corruption indiscretions that are a hundred times bigger¿
Hey hey hey guess
News Corp continues the fight against democracy
they’re not mincing them words no more then¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-02/news-corp-continues-the-fight-against-democracy/104551052
So uh
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-02/daniel-andrews-blairgowrie-collision-triple0-audio/104552724
WTF even is this, is there dirt or mud or what¿
NSW Police review recommends bringing firearms register into the 1990s
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-01/nsw-police-review-firearms-monitoring/104548682
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sooo Albans was a genius for letting the inferno get hot before turning the blowtorch around and giving their opposition a chance to melt their own snowflakes
ABC News:
That’s our Bridget.
If it’s not a hand in the till, it’s a foot in the mouth.
calling it like it is
The mea culpa was leapt on by Labor frontbencher Bill Shorten who said the Liberal Party had “wasted a week of the nation’s life, which we’re not going to get back”. “All they’ve done is try and throw mud, and most of it’s ended up on their own face,’’ he said. “Where is Peter Dutton? I mean, he’s famously got a glass jaw. Now we know he lives in a glass house. The Prime Minister declared all of his upgrades. How’s that going, Bridget? And I just think we need to get back the cost of living. “The Prime Minister is under an obligation to declare these matters. He literally has. And instead, we’ve had the Opposition carry on like they are a choir of angels. So they’ve got a, you know, they’ve put themselves up to a higher standard. And let’s face it, it’s just blown up in their face.”
LOL
so
Education Minister Jason Clare has admitted he solicited and received a free flight upgrade from Qantas for personal travel overseas in 2019. Mr Clare said he made the request after recently having surgery. “Good pick-up, that was a personal trip,” Mr Clare told Sky News. “That was a situation where I had just got out of hospital, I had surgery on my leg and, yep, I asked for an upgrade and I was assisted by Qantas.” Mr Clare said he remembered “picking up the phone” and “probably” speaking with a government relations official. The education minister declared the flight from Sydney to Singapore in his register of interests in 2019 as required.
still not done with this hilarious shit hey
as the intelligent people have already said
why not use the opportunity to advocate for people in need of support
nah more important to score political hit points
Albanese’s refusal to heed warnings about Australia’s media is now swamping his re-election chances
By Paul Begley
Nov 2, 2024
Some events of recent weeks have been a reminder of the phenomenon the ancient Greeks called hubris. The Greeks thought of hubris as a character flaw in a leader that led to delusional overconfidence and complacency that blinds a leader and results in a tragic fall.
Anthony Albanese does not present himself publicly as the brash leader that the Greeks saw in King Oedipus, who refused to listen to the warnings of the seer Tiresias, and brought about his own ruin. Nor is Albo at first glance anything like the hot-headed King Pentheus who refused to heed advice and threatened dire punishment to anyone engaging in worship of Dionysius, while unknowingly bringing upon himself a gruesome end at the hand of Dionysius.
When dealing with the Liberal-National Coalition party and its public relations arm News Corp, it’s safe to say that Albanese listens and is responsive to a fault. Whether on the supposed dangers of releasing refugees from indefinite detention following a High Court ruling, allegations of CFMEU thuggery, restricting teenagers’ access to social media, or banning gambling advertising, the PM bends over backwards to be agreeable with respect to Peter Dutton’s concerns and, at times, accommodates his fake outrage.
Even when Albanese departed from an appeasement line as he did finally with the Stage 3 tax cuts, he was careful not to simply repeal the tax laws, but instead he overhauled them in such a way as to ensure the very rich still received a healthy tax benefit.
At a time when the primary votes for major parties are in decline, Albanese seems content to remain small-target after two years in power and persistently disappoints his supporter base without explaining why.
His decision to embrace Morrison’s AUKUS, and his dithering and impotence on big issues such as Gaza and the farcical National Anti-Corruption Commission, provide constant disappointment. By neglecting his Labor supporter base one way or another, he keeps supplying gifts that keep giving to Murdoch’s News Corporation and Peter Dutton’s ostentatious displays of indignation and high dudgeon.
Given that Albanese doesn’t communicate adequately with the people he disappoints, it’s worth looking less at what he says about what he values, and instead look at what he actually does. Doing so might help gauge where he’s coming from as the nation’s elected leader.
An example from very early in his prime ministership related to him exercising his personal authority over staffing allocations by cutting the adviser staff of independents from four to one. His rationale was that One Nation was given an unwarranted bonus staff allocation by his predecessor that needed correction.
Never mind that Albanese had gained greatly by Teal Independents campaigning on energy policy and climate change, gender equity and government corruption. They were central questions during the 2022 election campaign that saw his government elected. At the time Climate 200 independents led the charge by fearlessly taking up key issues about which a small-target Labor Party kept quiet, and were central in defeating Liberal Party MPs in five heartland electorates in Sydney, Melbourne and Perth. Along with Senator David Pocock in Canberra, the Teal independents were all new to the Parliament yet within days of being elected Albanese used his personal power to make it very difficult for them to do the work they were elected to do.
His rancour appeared to be a calculated slap in the face. What could have occasioned such a mean-spirited response to new MPs that assisted his election prospects? The only sensible explanation is that the Teal victories were in fundamental defiance of the two-party system of government. It’s now an open question as to whether Albanese is so wedded to the Labor-Liberal duopoly in which he grew up, that he places the perpetuation of its existence on an equal or higher footing than supporting his natural political allies.
Another curious revelation was reportedly using his influence to get his young son membership of the Qantas Chairman’s Lounge. Membership criteria of that august body is opaque but is given by invitation to the lions of industry and other travellers of prominence as a rite of passage. Young graduate students would usually not rate, especially if they carry the baggage of Labor Party connections. Yet Albanese signalled to his son that the Chairman’s Lounge is a club to which he should aspire to belong.
A similar clue to what he appears to value was his decision to make a date in his diary to attend the Tennis Australia Open final at Rod Laver Arena in Melbourne during January. The audience at that pricey event is predictably populated by corporate executives and well-off Melburnians. With his overhaul of the Stage 3 tax cuts, Albanese had just a few days earlier trimmed the tax returns of many audience members at that event by around $9,000 a head so it would have been surprising had they not booed him when the camera flashed his picture on the big screen.
A diary secretary doing his appointments might have advised him that the tennis open audience will not likely be favourable to a Labor Prime Minister at the best of times, and that his attendance at the event could end up costing political capital for no gains, as it did. But his attendance as an official VIP was a likely indication of who he likes to mix with and what he personally values.
Why, for example, has he been a longtime supporter of the Hawthorn AFL football Club? Support for a club located in the leafy blue-ribbon heartland electorate of Kooyong with a long connection to Liberal titans such as Robert Menzies and Andrew Peacock, sits oddly with a Labor stalwart from the left faction of the Party in NSW.
As a member of the Labor left, it might have been expected that he would not lend his support to a club led by the Liberal Party firebrand Jeff Kennett. He would have been forgiven if, as a NSW Prime Minister, he switched his AFL support to Greater Western Sydney, but he didn’t.
The Hawks have won 13 AFL premierships; GWS Giants have won none. Yet despite being a sitting Prime Minister and a genuine longtime supporter, Albanese has not been offered the Number 1 ticket holder status. That honour is shared instead by legendary full forward Peter Hudson and Gwen Crimmins, the wife of the late Hawk hero Peter Crimmins, names that would mean nothing to most people north of the Murray River. In view of that snub, switching his support as PM to GWS would seem to have been a no-brainer.
That said, no-brainer decisions are not always what they seem with a dithering Albanese. He is, after all, a Prime Minister who had the option to void Scott Morrison’s AUKUS deal in 2022, which was also a no-brainer. Instead, he appeared to place mixing with dignitaries at a state dinner on the White House lawns ahead of the values entailed in preserving Australia’s national sovereignty. A New York Times report put it succinctly in September 2021, writing that Australia “bet the house” by casually “throwing its lot in with the United States for generations to come”.
In his chosen field of politics, Albanese increasingly looks and sounds indecisive as he searches for ways to acquiesce to the demands of his political and media opponents. His successes are given scant coverage in the legacy media or are characterised as failures. Examples that stand out were his significant diplomatic achievements with Australia’s Pacific Island neighbours and winning back $20 billion of trade lost by his predecessor’s bellicose rhetoric. Both achievements were projected by the media as “Airbus Albo” on indulgent holiday frolics.
By contrast, Opposition leader Peter Dutton’s adversarial pronouncements are routinely delivered with supreme certitude and given blanket coverage by the legacy media. The tactic is used time and again by Dutton and his friends in a mainstream media dominated by New Corp, and Albanese falls for the tactic so predictably that Bernard Keane from Crikey News once suggested that Dutton had become a de facto member of the Albanese Cabinet.
Given that the PM had campaigned in 2022 on his personal profile as a young Labor son of a struggling single mother, it appears that the media forces now ganging up on him have worked out that perception of his aspirational inclinations are an Achilles heel. Accordingly, as if on cue, the media are intent on juxtaposing his poverty-stricken background with personal decisions he has made from an early age that appear to flagrantly contradict that persona.
Accordingly, they employ a single-focus lens through which they gleefully make a meal of the three-bedroom seaside home Albanese has co-purchased with his future wife and his historical acceptance of flight upgrades to first class by Qantas. In the ordinary course of events, neither of these would be news stories, yet each was given widespread media that extended well into saturation coverage for a full week. The crowning irony is that these runaway non-stories swamping the news cycle and founded on a cost-of-living crisis narrative, have ensured that the big story of the week has been getting scant coverage; namely that Australia’s inflation rate has hit a 2.8% low with its implications for cost-of-living relief.
Albanese has been warned for two and a half years to do something about media ownership. Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull initiated a petition for a Murdoch Royal Commission that attracted more than a half a million signatures. Zoe Daniel moved a motion in the House to establish an Inquiry into media diversity, and Sarah Hanson-Young tabled a Bill in the Senate to look at the distortions to mainstream news arising from the concentration of media ownership. Like his ancient Greek predecessors, Albanese has stubbornly refused to consider any of these warnings, and with seven months before the next election, the media are now showing that their intentions are less than honourable, and they are intent on using anything to bring Labor down on the strength of its choice of leader.
As a credible re-election strategy, Albanese’s default impulse of pandering to his Liberal Party opponent is both problematic and hubristic. Unless he can find a way to swivel or hand over the leadership, Australian Labor could be in for a nasty surprise next May. It’s not as though Labor lacks alternative leaders. Against a background in which Kamala Harris was successfully jettisoned into the role of US presidential candidate last August for an election in three months, government ministers such as Tony Burke, Clare O’Neil, Jason Clare and Jim Chalmers are forthright communicators whose leadership credentials are increasingly discussed by unhappy Labor supporters. Whether there is any purposeful discussion among the Prime Minister’s parliamentary colleagues around tapping him on the shoulder, is another question.
https://johnmenadue.com/albaneses-refusal-to-heed-warnings-about-australias-media-is-now-swamping-his-re-election-chances/
dv said:
Albanese’s refusal to heed warnings about Australia’s media is now swamping his re-election chances
By Paul Begley
Nov 2, 2024Some events of recent weeks have been a reminder of the phenomenon the ancient Greeks called hubris. The Greeks thought of hubris as a character flaw in a leader that led to delusional overconfidence and complacency that blinds a leader and results in a tragic fall.
Anthony Albanese does not present himself publicly as the brash leader that the Greeks saw in King Oedipus, who refused to listen to the warnings of the seer Tiresias, and brought about his own ruin. Nor is Albo at first glance anything like the hot-headed King Pentheus who refused to heed advice and threatened dire punishment to anyone engaging in worship of Dionysius, while unknowingly bringing upon himself a gruesome end at the hand of Dionysius.
When dealing with the Liberal-National Coalition party and its public relations arm News Corp, it’s safe to say that Albanese listens and is responsive to a fault. Whether on the supposed dangers of releasing refugees from indefinite detention following a High Court ruling, allegations of CFMEU thuggery, restricting teenagers’ access to social media, or banning gambling advertising, the PM bends over backwards to be agreeable with respect to Peter Dutton’s concerns and, at times, accommodates his fake outrage.
Even when Albanese departed from an appeasement line as he did finally with the Stage 3 tax cuts, he was careful not to simply repeal the tax laws, but instead he overhauled them in such a way as to ensure the very rich still received a healthy tax benefit.
At a time when the primary votes for major parties are in decline, Albanese seems content to remain small-target after two years in power and persistently disappoints his supporter base without explaining why.
His decision to embrace Morrison’s AUKUS, and his dithering and impotence on big issues such as Gaza and the farcical National Anti-Corruption Commission, provide constant disappointment. By neglecting his Labor supporter base one way or another, he keeps supplying gifts that keep giving to Murdoch’s News Corporation and Peter Dutton’s ostentatious displays of indignation and high dudgeon.
Given that Albanese doesn’t communicate adequately with the people he disappoints, it’s worth looking less at what he says about what he values, and instead look at what he actually does. Doing so might help gauge where he’s coming from as the nation’s elected leader.
An example from very early in his prime ministership related to him exercising his personal authority over staffing allocations by cutting the adviser staff of independents from four to one. His rationale was that One Nation was given an unwarranted bonus staff allocation by his predecessor that needed correction.
Never mind that Albanese had gained greatly by Teal Independents campaigning on energy policy and climate change, gender equity and government corruption. They were central questions during the 2022 election campaign that saw his government elected. At the time Climate 200 independents led the charge by fearlessly taking up key issues about which a small-target Labor Party kept quiet, and were central in defeating Liberal Party MPs in five heartland electorates in Sydney, Melbourne and Perth. Along with Senator David Pocock in Canberra, the Teal independents were all new to the Parliament yet within days of being elected Albanese used his personal power to make it very difficult for them to do the work they were elected to do.
His rancour appeared to be a calculated slap in the face. What could have occasioned such a mean-spirited response to new MPs that assisted his election prospects? The only sensible explanation is that the Teal victories were in fundamental defiance of the two-party system of government. It’s now an open question as to whether Albanese is so wedded to the Labor-Liberal duopoly in which he grew up, that he places the perpetuation of its existence on an equal or higher footing than supporting his natural political allies.
Another curious revelation was reportedly using his influence to get his young son membership of the Qantas Chairman’s Lounge. Membership criteria of that august body is opaque but is given by invitation to the lions of industry and other travellers of prominence as a rite of passage. Young graduate students would usually not rate, especially if they carry the baggage of Labor Party connections. Yet Albanese signalled to his son that the Chairman’s Lounge is a club to which he should aspire to belong.
A similar clue to what he appears to value was his decision to make a date in his diary to attend the Tennis Australia Open final at Rod Laver Arena in Melbourne during January. The audience at that pricey event is predictably populated by corporate executives and well-off Melburnians. With his overhaul of the Stage 3 tax cuts, Albanese had just a few days earlier trimmed the tax returns of many audience members at that event by around $9,000 a head so it would have been surprising had they not booed him when the camera flashed his picture on the big screen.
A diary secretary doing his appointments might have advised him that the tennis open audience will not likely be favourable to a Labor Prime Minister at the best of times, and that his attendance at the event could end up costing political capital for no gains, as it did. But his attendance as an official VIP was a likely indication of who he likes to mix with and what he personally values.
Why, for example, has he been a longtime supporter of the Hawthorn AFL football Club? Support for a club located in the leafy blue-ribbon heartland electorate of Kooyong with a long connection to Liberal titans such as Robert Menzies and Andrew Peacock, sits oddly with a Labor stalwart from the left faction of the Party in NSW.
As a member of the Labor left, it might have been expected that he would not lend his support to a club led by the Liberal Party firebrand Jeff Kennett. He would have been forgiven if, as a NSW Prime Minister, he switched his AFL support to Greater Western Sydney, but he didn’t.
The Hawks have won 13 AFL premierships; GWS Giants have won none. Yet despite being a sitting Prime Minister and a genuine longtime supporter, Albanese has not been offered the Number 1 ticket holder status. That honour is shared instead by legendary full forward Peter Hudson and Gwen Crimmins, the wife of the late Hawk hero Peter Crimmins, names that would mean nothing to most people north of the Murray River. In view of that snub, switching his support as PM to GWS would seem to have been a no-brainer.
That said, no-brainer decisions are not always what they seem with a dithering Albanese. He is, after all, a Prime Minister who had the option to void Scott Morrison’s AUKUS deal in 2022, which was also a no-brainer. Instead, he appeared to place mixing with dignitaries at a state dinner on the White House lawns ahead of the values entailed in preserving Australia’s national sovereignty. A New York Times report put it succinctly in September 2021, writing that Australia “bet the house” by casually “throwing its lot in with the United States for generations to come”.
In his chosen field of politics, Albanese increasingly looks and sounds indecisive as he searches for ways to acquiesce to the demands of his political and media opponents. His successes are given scant coverage in the legacy media or are characterised as failures. Examples that stand out were his significant diplomatic achievements with Australia’s Pacific Island neighbours and winning back $20 billion of trade lost by his predecessor’s bellicose rhetoric. Both achievements were projected by the media as “Airbus Albo” on indulgent holiday frolics.
By contrast, Opposition leader Peter Dutton’s adversarial pronouncements are routinely delivered with supreme certitude and given blanket coverage by the legacy media. The tactic is used time and again by Dutton and his friends in a mainstream media dominated by New Corp, and Albanese falls for the tactic so predictably that Bernard Keane from Crikey News once suggested that Dutton had become a de facto member of the Albanese Cabinet.
Given that the PM had campaigned in 2022 on his personal profile as a young Labor son of a struggling single mother, it appears that the media forces now ganging up on him have worked out that perception of his aspirational inclinations are an Achilles heel. Accordingly, as if on cue, the media are intent on juxtaposing his poverty-stricken background with personal decisions he has made from an early age that appear to flagrantly contradict that persona.
Accordingly, they employ a single-focus lens through which they gleefully make a meal of the three-bedroom seaside home Albanese has co-purchased with his future wife and his historical acceptance of flight upgrades to first class by Qantas. In the ordinary course of events, neither of these would be news stories, yet each was given widespread media that extended well into saturation coverage for a full week. The crowning irony is that these runaway non-stories swamping the news cycle and founded on a cost-of-living crisis narrative, have ensured that the big story of the week has been getting scant coverage; namely that Australia’s inflation rate has hit a 2.8% low with its implications for cost-of-living relief.
Albanese has been warned for two and a half years to do something about media ownership. Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull initiated a petition for a Murdoch Royal Commission that attracted more than a half a million signatures. Zoe Daniel moved a motion in the House to establish an Inquiry into media diversity, and Sarah Hanson-Young tabled a Bill in the Senate to look at the distortions to mainstream news arising from the concentration of media ownership. Like his ancient Greek predecessors, Albanese has stubbornly refused to consider any of these warnings, and with seven months before the next election, the media are now showing that their intentions are less than honourable, and they are intent on using anything to bring Labor down on the strength of its choice of leader.
As a credible re-election strategy, Albanese’s default impulse of pandering to his Liberal Party opponent is both problematic and hubristic. Unless he can find a way to swivel or hand over the leadership, Australian Labor could be in for a nasty surprise next May. It’s not as though Labor lacks alternative leaders. Against a background in which Kamala Harris was successfully jettisoned into the role of US presidential candidate last August for an election in three months, government ministers such as Tony Burke, Clare O’Neil, Jason Clare and Jim Chalmers are forthright communicators whose leadership credentials are increasingly discussed by unhappy Labor supporters. Whether there is any purposeful discussion among the Prime Minister’s parliamentary colleagues around tapping him on the shoulder, is another question.
https://johnmenadue.com/albaneses-refusal-to-heed-warnings-about-australias-media-is-now-swamping-his-re-election-chances/
Got through about the first 10 paragraphs.
I’m not convinced that adopting a centrist approach when the opposition is increasingly rightist is actually a bad idea.
dv said:
Albanese’s refusal to heed warnings about Australia’s media is now swamping his re-election chances
By Paul Begley
Nov 2, 2024Some events of recent weeks have been a reminder of the phenomenon the ancient Greeks called hubris. The Greeks thought of hubris as a character flaw in a leader that led to delusional overconfidence and complacency that blinds a leader and results in a tragic fall.
Anthony Albanese does not present himself publicly as the brash leader that the Greeks saw in King Oedipus, who refused to listen to the warnings of the seer Tiresias, and brought about his own ruin. Nor is Albo at first glance anything like the hot-headed King Pentheus who refused to heed advice and threatened dire punishment to anyone engaging in worship of Dionysius, while unknowingly bringing upon himself a gruesome end at the hand of Dionysius.
When dealing with the Liberal-National Coalition party and its public relations arm News Corp, it’s safe to say that Albanese listens and is responsive to a fault. Whether on the supposed dangers of releasing refugees from indefinite detention following a High Court ruling, allegations of CFMEU thuggery, restricting teenagers’ access to social media, or banning gambling advertising, the PM bends over backwards to be agreeable with respect to Peter Dutton’s concerns and, at times, accommodates his fake outrage.
Even when Albanese departed from an appeasement line as he did finally with the Stage 3 tax cuts, he was careful not to simply repeal the tax laws, but instead he overhauled them in such a way as to ensure the very rich still received a healthy tax benefit.
At a time when the primary votes for major parties are in decline, Albanese seems content to remain small-target after two years in power and persistently disappoints his supporter base without explaining why.
His decision to embrace Morrison’s AUKUS, and his dithering and impotence on big issues such as Gaza and the farcical National Anti-Corruption Commission, provide constant disappointment. By neglecting his Labor supporter base one way or another, he keeps supplying gifts that keep giving to Murdoch’s News Corporation and Peter Dutton’s ostentatious displays of indignation and high dudgeon.
Given that Albanese doesn’t communicate adequately with the people he disappoints, it’s worth looking less at what he says about what he values, and instead look at what he actually does. Doing so might help gauge where he’s coming from as the nation’s elected leader.
An example from very early in his prime ministership related to him exercising his personal authority over staffing allocations by cutting the adviser staff of independents from four to one. His rationale was that One Nation was given an unwarranted bonus staff allocation by his predecessor that needed correction.
Never mind that Albanese had gained greatly by Teal Independents campaigning on energy policy and climate change, gender equity and government corruption. They were central questions during the 2022 election campaign that saw his government elected. At the time Climate 200 independents led the charge by fearlessly taking up key issues about which a small-target Labor Party kept quiet, and were central in defeating Liberal Party MPs in five heartland electorates in Sydney, Melbourne and Perth. Along with Senator David Pocock in Canberra, the Teal independents were all new to the Parliament yet within days of being elected Albanese used his personal power to make it very difficult for them to do the work they were elected to do.
His rancour appeared to be a calculated slap in the face. What could have occasioned such a mean-spirited response to new MPs that assisted his election prospects? The only sensible explanation is that the Teal victories were in fundamental defiance of the two-party system of government. It’s now an open question as to whether Albanese is so wedded to the Labor-Liberal duopoly in which he grew up, that he places the perpetuation of its existence on an equal or higher footing than supporting his natural political allies.
Another curious revelation was reportedly using his influence to get his young son membership of the Qantas Chairman’s Lounge. Membership criteria of that august body is opaque but is given by invitation to the lions of industry and other travellers of prominence as a rite of passage. Young graduate students would usually not rate, especially if they carry the baggage of Labor Party connections. Yet Albanese signalled to his son that the Chairman’s Lounge is a club to which he should aspire to belong.
A similar clue to what he appears to value was his decision to make a date in his diary to attend the Tennis Australia Open final at Rod Laver Arena in Melbourne during January. The audience at that pricey event is predictably populated by corporate executives and well-off Melburnians. With his overhaul of the Stage 3 tax cuts, Albanese had just a few days earlier trimmed the tax returns of many audience members at that event by around $9,000 a head so it would have been surprising had they not booed him when the camera flashed his picture on the big screen.
A diary secretary doing his appointments might have advised him that the tennis open audience will not likely be favourable to a Labor Prime Minister at the best of times, and that his attendance at the event could end up costing political capital for no gains, as it did. But his attendance as an official VIP was a likely indication of who he likes to mix with and what he personally values.
Why, for example, has he been a longtime supporter of the Hawthorn AFL football Club? Support for a club located in the leafy blue-ribbon heartland electorate of Kooyong with a long connection to Liberal titans such as Robert Menzies and Andrew Peacock, sits oddly with a Labor stalwart from the left faction of the Party in NSW.
As a member of the Labor left, it might have been expected that he would not lend his support to a club led by the Liberal Party firebrand Jeff Kennett. He would have been forgiven if, as a NSW Prime Minister, he switched his AFL support to Greater Western Sydney, but he didn’t.
The Hawks have won 13 AFL premierships; GWS Giants have won none. Yet despite being a sitting Prime Minister and a genuine longtime supporter, Albanese has not been offered the Number 1 ticket holder status. That honour is shared instead by legendary full forward Peter Hudson and Gwen Crimmins, the wife of the late Hawk hero Peter Crimmins, names that would mean nothing to most people north of the Murray River. In view of that snub, switching his support as PM to GWS would seem to have been a no-brainer.
That said, no-brainer decisions are not always what they seem with a dithering Albanese. He is, after all, a Prime Minister who had the option to void Scott Morrison’s AUKUS deal in 2022, which was also a no-brainer. Instead, he appeared to place mixing with dignitaries at a state dinner on the White House lawns ahead of the values entailed in preserving Australia’s national sovereignty. A New York Times report put it succinctly in September 2021, writing that Australia “bet the house” by casually “throwing its lot in with the United States for generations to come”.
In his chosen field of politics, Albanese increasingly looks and sounds indecisive as he searches for ways to acquiesce to the demands of his political and media opponents. His successes are given scant coverage in the legacy media or are characterised as failures. Examples that stand out were his significant diplomatic achievements with Australia’s Pacific Island neighbours and winning back $20 billion of trade lost by his predecessor’s bellicose rhetoric. Both achievements were projected by the media as “Airbus Albo” on indulgent holiday frolics.
By contrast, Opposition leader Peter Dutton’s adversarial pronouncements are routinely delivered with supreme certitude and given blanket coverage by the legacy media. The tactic is used time and again by Dutton and his friends in a mainstream media dominated by New Corp, and Albanese falls for the tactic so predictably that Bernard Keane from Crikey News once suggested that Dutton had become a de facto member of the Albanese Cabinet.
Given that the PM had campaigned in 2022 on his personal profile as a young Labor son of a struggling single mother, it appears that the media forces now ganging up on him have worked out that perception of his aspirational inclinations are an Achilles heel. Accordingly, as if on cue, the media are intent on juxtaposing his poverty-stricken background with personal decisions he has made from an early age that appear to flagrantly contradict that persona.
Accordingly, they employ a single-focus lens through which they gleefully make a meal of the three-bedroom seaside home Albanese has co-purchased with his future wife and his historical acceptance of flight upgrades to first class by Qantas. In the ordinary course of events, neither of these would be news stories, yet each was given widespread media that extended well into saturation coverage for a full week. The crowning irony is that these runaway non-stories swamping the news cycle and founded on a cost-of-living crisis narrative, have ensured that the big story of the week has been getting scant coverage; namely that Australia’s inflation rate has hit a 2.8% low with its implications for cost-of-living relief.
Albanese has been warned for two and a half years to do something about media ownership. Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull initiated a petition for a Murdoch Royal Commission that attracted more than a half a million signatures. Zoe Daniel moved a motion in the House to establish an Inquiry into media diversity, and Sarah Hanson-Young tabled a Bill in the Senate to look at the distortions to mainstream news arising from the concentration of media ownership. Like his ancient Greek predecessors, Albanese has stubbornly refused to consider any of these warnings, and with seven months before the next election, the media are now showing that their intentions are less than honourable, and they are intent on using anything to bring Labor down on the strength of its choice of leader.
As a credible re-election strategy, Albanese’s default impulse of pandering to his Liberal Party opponent is both problematic and hubristic. Unless he can find a way to swivel or hand over the leadership, Australian Labor could be in for a nasty surprise next May. It’s not as though Labor lacks alternative leaders. Against a background in which Kamala Harris was successfully jettisoned into the role of US presidential candidate last August for an election in three months, government ministers such as Tony Burke, Clare O’Neil, Jason Clare and Jim Chalmers are forthright communicators whose leadership credentials are increasingly discussed by unhappy Labor supporters. Whether there is any purposeful discussion among the Prime Minister’s parliamentary colleagues around tapping him on the shoulder, is another question.
https://johnmenadue.com/albaneses-refusal-to-heed-warnings-about-australias-media-is-now-swamping-his-re-election-chances/
Meh.
I am not voting for nuclear power to be built in this state
I am not voting for the privastisation of the electricity market or of Western Power.
These are my red lines, all else is noise.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Albanese’s refusal to heed warnings about Australia’s media is now swamping his re-election chances
By Paul Begley
Nov 2, 2024Some events of recent weeks have been a reminder of the phenomenon the ancient Greeks called hubris. The Greeks thought of hubris as a character flaw in a leader that led to delusional overconfidence and complacency that blinds a leader and results in a tragic fall.
Anthony Albanese does not present himself publicly as the brash leader that the Greeks saw in King Oedipus, who refused to listen to the warnings of the seer Tiresias, and brought about his own ruin. Nor is Albo at first glance anything like the hot-headed King Pentheus who refused to heed advice and threatened dire punishment to anyone engaging in worship of Dionysius, while unknowingly bringing upon himself a gruesome end at the hand of Dionysius.
When dealing with the Liberal-National Coalition party and its public relations arm News Corp, it’s safe to say that Albanese listens and is responsive to a fault. Whether on the supposed dangers of releasing refugees from indefinite detention following a High Court ruling, allegations of CFMEU thuggery, restricting teenagers’ access to social media, or banning gambling advertising, the PM bends over backwards to be agreeable with respect to Peter Dutton’s concerns and, at times, accommodates his fake outrage.
Even when Albanese departed from an appeasement line as he did finally with the Stage 3 tax cuts, he was careful not to simply repeal the tax laws, but instead he overhauled them in such a way as to ensure the very rich still received a healthy tax benefit.
At a time when the primary votes for major parties are in decline, Albanese seems content to remain small-target after two years in power and persistently disappoints his supporter base without explaining why.
His decision to embrace Morrison’s AUKUS, and his dithering and impotence on big issues such as Gaza and the farcical National Anti-Corruption Commission, provide constant disappointment. By neglecting his Labor supporter base one way or another, he keeps supplying gifts that keep giving to Murdoch’s News Corporation and Peter Dutton’s ostentatious displays of indignation and high dudgeon.
Given that Albanese doesn’t communicate adequately with the people he disappoints, it’s worth looking less at what he says about what he values, and instead look at what he actually does. Doing so might help gauge where he’s coming from as the nation’s elected leader.
An example from very early in his prime ministership related to him exercising his personal authority over staffing allocations by cutting the adviser staff of independents from four to one. His rationale was that One Nation was given an unwarranted bonus staff allocation by his predecessor that needed correction.
Never mind that Albanese had gained greatly by Teal Independents campaigning on energy policy and climate change, gender equity and government corruption. They were central questions during the 2022 election campaign that saw his government elected. At the time Climate 200 independents led the charge by fearlessly taking up key issues about which a small-target Labor Party kept quiet, and were central in defeating Liberal Party MPs in five heartland electorates in Sydney, Melbourne and Perth. Along with Senator David Pocock in Canberra, the Teal independents were all new to the Parliament yet within days of being elected Albanese used his personal power to make it very difficult for them to do the work they were elected to do.
His rancour appeared to be a calculated slap in the face. What could have occasioned such a mean-spirited response to new MPs that assisted his election prospects? The only sensible explanation is that the Teal victories were in fundamental defiance of the two-party system of government. It’s now an open question as to whether Albanese is so wedded to the Labor-Liberal duopoly in which he grew up, that he places the perpetuation of its existence on an equal or higher footing than supporting his natural political allies.
Another curious revelation was reportedly using his influence to get his young son membership of the Qantas Chairman’s Lounge. Membership criteria of that august body is opaque but is given by invitation to the lions of industry and other travellers of prominence as a rite of passage. Young graduate students would usually not rate, especially if they carry the baggage of Labor Party connections. Yet Albanese signalled to his son that the Chairman’s Lounge is a club to which he should aspire to belong.
A similar clue to what he appears to value was his decision to make a date in his diary to attend the Tennis Australia Open final at Rod Laver Arena in Melbourne during January. The audience at that pricey event is predictably populated by corporate executives and well-off Melburnians. With his overhaul of the Stage 3 tax cuts, Albanese had just a few days earlier trimmed the tax returns of many audience members at that event by around $9,000 a head so it would have been surprising had they not booed him when the camera flashed his picture on the big screen.
A diary secretary doing his appointments might have advised him that the tennis open audience will not likely be favourable to a Labor Prime Minister at the best of times, and that his attendance at the event could end up costing political capital for no gains, as it did. But his attendance as an official VIP was a likely indication of who he likes to mix with and what he personally values.
Why, for example, has he been a longtime supporter of the Hawthorn AFL football Club? Support for a club located in the leafy blue-ribbon heartland electorate of Kooyong with a long connection to Liberal titans such as Robert Menzies and Andrew Peacock, sits oddly with a Labor stalwart from the left faction of the Party in NSW.
As a member of the Labor left, it might have been expected that he would not lend his support to a club led by the Liberal Party firebrand Jeff Kennett. He would have been forgiven if, as a NSW Prime Minister, he switched his AFL support to Greater Western Sydney, but he didn’t.
The Hawks have won 13 AFL premierships; GWS Giants have won none. Yet despite being a sitting Prime Minister and a genuine longtime supporter, Albanese has not been offered the Number 1 ticket holder status. That honour is shared instead by legendary full forward Peter Hudson and Gwen Crimmins, the wife of the late Hawk hero Peter Crimmins, names that would mean nothing to most people north of the Murray River. In view of that snub, switching his support as PM to GWS would seem to have been a no-brainer.
That said, no-brainer decisions are not always what they seem with a dithering Albanese. He is, after all, a Prime Minister who had the option to void Scott Morrison’s AUKUS deal in 2022, which was also a no-brainer. Instead, he appeared to place mixing with dignitaries at a state dinner on the White House lawns ahead of the values entailed in preserving Australia’s national sovereignty. A New York Times report put it succinctly in September 2021, writing that Australia “bet the house” by casually “throwing its lot in with the United States for generations to come”.
In his chosen field of politics, Albanese increasingly looks and sounds indecisive as he searches for ways to acquiesce to the demands of his political and media opponents. His successes are given scant coverage in the legacy media or are characterised as failures. Examples that stand out were his significant diplomatic achievements with Australia’s Pacific Island neighbours and winning back $20 billion of trade lost by his predecessor’s bellicose rhetoric. Both achievements were projected by the media as “Airbus Albo” on indulgent holiday frolics.
By contrast, Opposition leader Peter Dutton’s adversarial pronouncements are routinely delivered with supreme certitude and given blanket coverage by the legacy media. The tactic is used time and again by Dutton and his friends in a mainstream media dominated by New Corp, and Albanese falls for the tactic so predictably that Bernard Keane from Crikey News once suggested that Dutton had become a de facto member of the Albanese Cabinet.
Given that the PM had campaigned in 2022 on his personal profile as a young Labor son of a struggling single mother, it appears that the media forces now ganging up on him have worked out that perception of his aspirational inclinations are an Achilles heel. Accordingly, as if on cue, the media are intent on juxtaposing his poverty-stricken background with personal decisions he has made from an early age that appear to flagrantly contradict that persona.
Accordingly, they employ a single-focus lens through which they gleefully make a meal of the three-bedroom seaside home Albanese has co-purchased with his future wife and his historical acceptance of flight upgrades to first class by Qantas. In the ordinary course of events, neither of these would be news stories, yet each was given widespread media that extended well into saturation coverage for a full week. The crowning irony is that these runaway non-stories swamping the news cycle and founded on a cost-of-living crisis narrative, have ensured that the big story of the week has been getting scant coverage; namely that Australia’s inflation rate has hit a 2.8% low with its implications for cost-of-living relief.
Albanese has been warned for two and a half years to do something about media ownership. Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull initiated a petition for a Murdoch Royal Commission that attracted more than a half a million signatures. Zoe Daniel moved a motion in the House to establish an Inquiry into media diversity, and Sarah Hanson-Young tabled a Bill in the Senate to look at the distortions to mainstream news arising from the concentration of media ownership. Like his ancient Greek predecessors, Albanese has stubbornly refused to consider any of these warnings, and with seven months before the next election, the media are now showing that their intentions are less than honourable, and they are intent on using anything to bring Labor down on the strength of its choice of leader.
As a credible re-election strategy, Albanese’s default impulse of pandering to his Liberal Party opponent is both problematic and hubristic. Unless he can find a way to swivel or hand over the leadership, Australian Labor could be in for a nasty surprise next May. It’s not as though Labor lacks alternative leaders. Against a background in which Kamala Harris was successfully jettisoned into the role of US presidential candidate last August for an election in three months, government ministers such as Tony Burke, Clare O’Neil, Jason Clare and Jim Chalmers are forthright communicators whose leadership credentials are increasingly discussed by unhappy Labor supporters. Whether there is any purposeful discussion among the Prime Minister’s parliamentary colleagues around tapping him on the shoulder, is another question.
https://johnmenadue.com/albaneses-refusal-to-heed-warnings-about-australias-media-is-now-swamping-his-re-election-chances/
Got through about the first 10 paragraphs.
I’m not convinced that adopting a centrist approach when the opposition is increasingly rightist is actually a bad idea.
i’m more concerned that he ignores the wishes of a half million petitioners. including me.
i’m pissed at what murdoch is doing in the states. and here.
the other day at the shop…‘do you want a free newspaper?’
‘no.i don’t want anything to do with Murdoch’
‘You could use to light a fire’
‘I’ll freeze first.’
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Albanese’s refusal to heed warnings about Australia’s media is now swamping his re-election chances
By Paul Begley
Nov 2, 2024Some events of recent weeks have been a reminder of the phenomenon the ancient Greeks called hubris. The Greeks thought of hubris as a character flaw in a leader that led to delusional overconfidence and complacency that blinds a leader and results in a tragic fall.
Anthony Albanese does not present himself publicly as the brash leader that the Greeks saw in King Oedipus, who refused to listen to the warnings of the seer Tiresias, and brought about his own ruin. Nor is Albo at first glance anything like the hot-headed King Pentheus who refused to heed advice and threatened dire punishment to anyone engaging in worship of Dionysius, while unknowingly bringing upon himself a gruesome end at the hand of Dionysius.
When dealing with the Liberal-National Coalition party and its public relations arm News Corp, it’s safe to say that Albanese listens and is responsive to a fault. Whether on the supposed dangers of releasing refugees from indefinite detention following a High Court ruling, allegations of CFMEU thuggery, restricting teenagers’ access to social media, or banning gambling advertising, the PM bends over backwards to be agreeable with respect to Peter Dutton’s concerns and, at times, accommodates his fake outrage.
Even when Albanese departed from an appeasement line as he did finally with the Stage 3 tax cuts, he was careful not to simply repeal the tax laws, but instead he overhauled them in such a way as to ensure the very rich still received a healthy tax benefit.
At a time when the primary votes for major parties are in decline, Albanese seems content to remain small-target after two years in power and persistently disappoints his supporter base without explaining why.
His decision to embrace Morrison’s AUKUS, and his dithering and impotence on big issues such as Gaza and the farcical National Anti-Corruption Commission, provide constant disappointment. By neglecting his Labor supporter base one way or another, he keeps supplying gifts that keep giving to Murdoch’s News Corporation and Peter Dutton’s ostentatious displays of indignation and high dudgeon.
Given that Albanese doesn’t communicate adequately with the people he disappoints, it’s worth looking less at what he says about what he values, and instead look at what he actually does. Doing so might help gauge where he’s coming from as the nation’s elected leader.
An example from very early in his prime ministership related to him exercising his personal authority over staffing allocations by cutting the adviser staff of independents from four to one. His rationale was that One Nation was given an unwarranted bonus staff allocation by his predecessor that needed correction.
Never mind that Albanese had gained greatly by Teal Independents campaigning on energy policy and climate change, gender equity and government corruption. They were central questions during the 2022 election campaign that saw his government elected. At the time Climate 200 independents led the charge by fearlessly taking up key issues about which a small-target Labor Party kept quiet, and were central in defeating Liberal Party MPs in five heartland electorates in Sydney, Melbourne and Perth. Along with Senator David Pocock in Canberra, the Teal independents were all new to the Parliament yet within days of being elected Albanese used his personal power to make it very difficult for them to do the work they were elected to do.
His rancour appeared to be a calculated slap in the face. What could have occasioned such a mean-spirited response to new MPs that assisted his election prospects? The only sensible explanation is that the Teal victories were in fundamental defiance of the two-party system of government. It’s now an open question as to whether Albanese is so wedded to the Labor-Liberal duopoly in which he grew up, that he places the perpetuation of its existence on an equal or higher footing than supporting his natural political allies.
Another curious revelation was reportedly using his influence to get his young son membership of the Qantas Chairman’s Lounge. Membership criteria of that august body is opaque but is given by invitation to the lions of industry and other travellers of prominence as a rite of passage. Young graduate students would usually not rate, especially if they carry the baggage of Labor Party connections. Yet Albanese signalled to his son that the Chairman’s Lounge is a club to which he should aspire to belong.
A similar clue to what he appears to value was his decision to make a date in his diary to attend the Tennis Australia Open final at Rod Laver Arena in Melbourne during January. The audience at that pricey event is predictably populated by corporate executives and well-off Melburnians. With his overhaul of the Stage 3 tax cuts, Albanese had just a few days earlier trimmed the tax returns of many audience members at that event by around $9,000 a head so it would have been surprising had they not booed him when the camera flashed his picture on the big screen.
A diary secretary doing his appointments might have advised him that the tennis open audience will not likely be favourable to a Labor Prime Minister at the best of times, and that his attendance at the event could end up costing political capital for no gains, as it did. But his attendance as an official VIP was a likely indication of who he likes to mix with and what he personally values.
Why, for example, has he been a longtime supporter of the Hawthorn AFL football Club? Support for a club located in the leafy blue-ribbon heartland electorate of Kooyong with a long connection to Liberal titans such as Robert Menzies and Andrew Peacock, sits oddly with a Labor stalwart from the left faction of the Party in NSW.
As a member of the Labor left, it might have been expected that he would not lend his support to a club led by the Liberal Party firebrand Jeff Kennett. He would have been forgiven if, as a NSW Prime Minister, he switched his AFL support to Greater Western Sydney, but he didn’t.
The Hawks have won 13 AFL premierships; GWS Giants have won none. Yet despite being a sitting Prime Minister and a genuine longtime supporter, Albanese has not been offered the Number 1 ticket holder status. That honour is shared instead by legendary full forward Peter Hudson and Gwen Crimmins, the wife of the late Hawk hero Peter Crimmins, names that would mean nothing to most people north of the Murray River. In view of that snub, switching his support as PM to GWS would seem to have been a no-brainer.
That said, no-brainer decisions are not always what they seem with a dithering Albanese. He is, after all, a Prime Minister who had the option to void Scott Morrison’s AUKUS deal in 2022, which was also a no-brainer. Instead, he appeared to place mixing with dignitaries at a state dinner on the White House lawns ahead of the values entailed in preserving Australia’s national sovereignty. A New York Times report put it succinctly in September 2021, writing that Australia “bet the house” by casually “throwing its lot in with the United States for generations to come”.
In his chosen field of politics, Albanese increasingly looks and sounds indecisive as he searches for ways to acquiesce to the demands of his political and media opponents. His successes are given scant coverage in the legacy media or are characterised as failures. Examples that stand out were his significant diplomatic achievements with Australia’s Pacific Island neighbours and winning back $20 billion of trade lost by his predecessor’s bellicose rhetoric. Both achievements were projected by the media as “Airbus Albo” on indulgent holiday frolics.
By contrast, Opposition leader Peter Dutton’s adversarial pronouncements are routinely delivered with supreme certitude and given blanket coverage by the legacy media. The tactic is used time and again by Dutton and his friends in a mainstream media dominated by New Corp, and Albanese falls for the tactic so predictably that Bernard Keane from Crikey News once suggested that Dutton had become a de facto member of the Albanese Cabinet.
Given that the PM had campaigned in 2022 on his personal profile as a young Labor son of a struggling single mother, it appears that the media forces now ganging up on him have worked out that perception of his aspirational inclinations are an Achilles heel. Accordingly, as if on cue, the media are intent on juxtaposing his poverty-stricken background with personal decisions he has made from an early age that appear to flagrantly contradict that persona.
Accordingly, they employ a single-focus lens through which they gleefully make a meal of the three-bedroom seaside home Albanese has co-purchased with his future wife and his historical acceptance of flight upgrades to first class by Qantas. In the ordinary course of events, neither of these would be news stories, yet each was given widespread media that extended well into saturation coverage for a full week. The crowning irony is that these runaway non-stories swamping the news cycle and founded on a cost-of-living crisis narrative, have ensured that the big story of the week has been getting scant coverage; namely that Australia’s inflation rate has hit a 2.8% low with its implications for cost-of-living relief.
Albanese has been warned for two and a half years to do something about media ownership. Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull initiated a petition for a Murdoch Royal Commission that attracted more than a half a million signatures. Zoe Daniel moved a motion in the House to establish an Inquiry into media diversity, and Sarah Hanson-Young tabled a Bill in the Senate to look at the distortions to mainstream news arising from the concentration of media ownership. Like his ancient Greek predecessors, Albanese has stubbornly refused to consider any of these warnings, and with seven months before the next election, the media are now showing that their intentions are less than honourable, and they are intent on using anything to bring Labor down on the strength of its choice of leader.
As a credible re-election strategy, Albanese’s default impulse of pandering to his Liberal Party opponent is both problematic and hubristic. Unless he can find a way to swivel or hand over the leadership, Australian Labor could be in for a nasty surprise next May. It’s not as though Labor lacks alternative leaders. Against a background in which Kamala Harris was successfully jettisoned into the role of US presidential candidate last August for an election in three months, government ministers such as Tony Burke, Clare O’Neil, Jason Clare and Jim Chalmers are forthright communicators whose leadership credentials are increasingly discussed by unhappy Labor supporters. Whether there is any purposeful discussion among the Prime Minister’s parliamentary colleagues around tapping him on the shoulder, is another question.
https://johnmenadue.com/albaneses-refusal-to-heed-warnings-about-australias-media-is-now-swamping-his-re-election-chances/
Got through about the first 10 paragraphs.
I’m not convinced that adopting a centrist approach when the opposition is increasingly rightist is actually a bad idea.
So is the dude saying that since Murdoch media manipulate political outcomes all the time, our politicians should sing to the tune of the Murdoch media¿
fuck that
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’m not convinced that adopting a centrist approach when the opposition is increasingly rightist is actually a bad idea.
Fair rejoinder
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’m not convinced that adopting a centrist approach when the opposition is increasingly rightist is actually a bad idea.
Fair rejoinder
Reminds us of what they were saying 5 years ago,
https://x.com/juliusgoat/status/1109516478783590400
Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
You take a step toward him. He takes a step back.
Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
wait was that the other guy¿
wait
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-04/pocock-pressure-greens-housing-build-to-rent-stalemate/104554954
Independents pressure Greens to break housing stalemate after Queensland election losses
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-04/pocock-pressure-greens-housing-build-to-rent-stalemate/104554954Independents pressure Greens to break housing stalemate after Queensland election losses
Be nice if it happens, but there’s just too much money to be made in real estate and housing right now for it to have much chance.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-04/pocock-pressure-greens-housing-build-to-rent-stalemate/104554954Independents pressure Greens to break housing stalemate after Queensland election losses
Be nice if it happens, but there’s just too much money to be made in real estate and housing right now for it to have much chance.
David Pocock is more green than the Greens.
Brindabellas said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-04/pocock-pressure-greens-housing-build-to-rent-stalemate/104554954Independents pressure Greens to break housing stalemate after Queensland election losses
Be nice if it happens, but there’s just too much money to be made in real estate and housing right now for it to have much chance.
David Pocock is more green than the Greens.
I think maybe that once again the Greens are making the Perfect the enemy of the Good.
dv said:
Brindabellas said:
captain_spalding said:Be nice if it happens, but there’s just too much money to be made in real estate and housing right now for it to have much chance.
David Pocock is more green than the Greens.
I think maybe that once again the Greens are making the Perfect the enemy of the Good.
Yeah, they are good, I mean perfect, at that.
I think I’ll try to call or email Jordan Steele-John and maybe Dorinda Cox, though the latter is not up for election til 2028
dv said:
I think I’ll try to call or email Jordan Steele-John and maybe Dorinda Cox, though the latter is not up for election til 2028
Call them about what?
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
I think I’ll try to call or email Jordan Steele-John and maybe Dorinda Cox, though the latter is not up for election til 2028
Call them about what?
Mostly about matters related to this article.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-04/pocock-pressure-greens-housing-build-to-rent-stalemate/104554954
Independents pressure Greens to break housing stalemate after Queensland election losses
Be nice if it happens, but there’s just too much money to be made in real estate and housing right now for it to have much chance.
I think maybe that once again the Greens are making the Perfect the enemy of the Good.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
I think I’ll try to call or email Jordan Steele-John and maybe Dorinda Cox, though the latter is not up for election til 2028
Call them about what?
Mostly about matters related to this article.
Be nice if it happens, but there’s just too much money to be made in real estate and housing right now for it to have much chance.
Goodo, talk some sense into them.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:I think maybe that once again the Greens are making the Perfect the enemy of the Good.
Goodo, talk some sense into them.
It’s certainly not going to happen in Qld, with the LNP (not known in recent decades for supporting things that give a leg-up to the most struggling of the hoi-polloi) holding 51 seats out of 93 in Parliament.
The Independents, Teals, Greens, Katters, whatever, can all agree to go on a rampage of arson and pillage, to be followed by their self-immolation, and it need not persuade the LNP to bend to their policies by one iota.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Goodo, talk some sense into them.
It’s certainly not going to happen in Qld, with the LNP (not known in recent decades for supporting things that give a leg-up to the most struggling of the hoi-polloi) holding 51 seats out of 93 in Parliament.
The Independents, Teals, Greens, Katters, whatever, can all agree to go on a rampage of arson and pillage, to be followed by their self-immolation, and it need not persuade the LNP to bend to their policies by one iota.
Well this is a federal matter anyway.
But it found that in an online video, five additional gunshot sounds were inaccurately introduced into footage showing a commando firing from a helicopter. The review also found additional shots were inaccurately included in the story broadcast on 7.30 but at different points to the online video.
“The ABC sincerely regrets and apologises for the editing errors in the video clips, including to members of the 2nd Commando Regiment,” Mr Stevens said in a statement.
“The video has been removed.”
Editing errors happen all the time, they’re not deliberate or nuffing.
crimes that are exaggerated are therefore not crimes
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-05/730-line-of-fire-audio-editing-review-stevens/104559066
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2024/nov/05/michael-mccormack-does-mock-race-call-ahead-of-question-time-on-melbourne-cup-day-video
LOL
https://psc.qld.gov.au/_publications/A-summary-of-changes-to-departments-of-government-as-at-1-November-2024.pdf
LOL
So why cover themselves in black? Shouldn’t they simply toss on the KKK white robe mantle?
roughbarked said:
So why cover themselves in black? Shouldn’t they simply toss on the KKK white robe mantle?
Is that blue flag for white supremicists? For mountains? The symbol of insecurity because they feel threatened by a colour?
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
So why cover themselves in black? Shouldn’t they simply toss on the KKK white robe mantle?
Is that blue flag for white supremicists? For mountains? The symbol of insecurity because they feel threatened by a colour?
The group carried a flag consistent with the neo-Nazi National Socialist Network and held a banner which read, “Mt Warning for the White Man”.
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
So why cover themselves in black? Shouldn’t they simply toss on the KKK white robe mantle?
Is that blue flag for white supremicists? For mountains? The symbol of insecurity because they feel threatened by a colour?
The group carried a flag consistent with the neo-Nazi National Socialist Network and held a banner which read, “Mt Warning for the White Man”.
Good to see that since significant recent pandemics began, there is widespread acknowledgement that preventative and protective measures are illegal punishment.
Many of those released had criminal records, and some went on to reoffend after their release. But today the High Court found the law could not be justified under the constitution because the imposition of the bracelets and curfews amounts to punishment.
SCIENCE said:
Good to see that since significant recent pandemics began, there is widespread acknowledgement that preventative and protective measures are illegal punishment.
Many of those released had criminal records, and some went on to reoffend after their release. But today the High Court found the law could not be justified under the constitution because the imposition of the bracelets and curfews amounts to punishment.
I’m not sure if the government realises the effort involved either.
We have GPS monitoring with our department, its monitored 24/7 and the equipment itself isn’t cheap
They’d likely need to have an entire separate section who looks after them.
ChrispenEvan said:
Like.
Fuck CHINA¡
The court is expecting to hear evidence from the Chinese manufacturer of the jumping castle later today.
but anyway we suppose there are learnings to be had from these things, perhaps they could require cross check and checklists and public awareness so that the public can contribute to safety monitoring as well
nah fuck public health, let it rip, yous do yous
SCIENCE said:
Fuck CHINA¡
The court is expecting to hear evidence from the Chinese manufacturer of the jumping castle later today.
but anyway we suppose there are learnings to be had from these things, perhaps they could require cross check and checklists and public awareness so that the public can contribute to safety monitoring as well
nah fuck public health, let it rip, yous do yous
What a horrible saga that is
Apparently the incorrect anchor bolts were used
In other election news, looks as though the ALP might win Aspley after all, as Bart Mellish has pulled ahead by a huge 19 votes.
Antony says the inside word is that the ALP will indeed pick up South Brisbane, being about 100 votes ahead of the Libs at a critical juncture. Mulgrave appears too complex to call at this stage but full pref dist should be avail by tomoz.
NYT now has the Trump win probability over 95%
Here’s their current breakdown of the various states.
I don’t really believe it but I suppose you can say that there’s still a narrow and unlikely path.
Funnily enough this would probably mean that KDH has an EC win without a popular vote win. She has been hammered in all the big states.
People thinking, including me, that women’s rights would turn this election did not count on the loyalties of white American women who, going by exit polls, mostly voted for Trump by about a 7% margin.
Fred wong
meanwhile closer
Shadow transport minister Bridget McKenzie has confirmed she failed to declare 16 free flight upgrades between 2015 and this year.
to home
SCIENCE said:
meanwhile closer
Shadow transport minister Bridget McKenzie has confirmed she failed to declare 16 free flight upgrades between 2015 and this year.
to home
Just read that
“ABC link“https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-06/bridget-mckenzie-admits-16-free-flight-upgrades/104556596
Slightly oops?
The federal approval process for a new coal mine in Queensland is pressing ahead, despite revelations the project is under criminal investigation for illegal land clearing.
Government officials told a Senate committee this week about the criminal probe and confirmed the approval process was proceeding anyway, which sparked fury from the Greens and environmentalists.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-07/illegal-mining-vitrinite-queensland-koala-habitat-mine/104567436
Canavan defies Dutton edict, won’t withdraw abortion bill
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/canavan-defies-dutton-edict-won-t-withdraw-abortion-bill-20241106-p5koe2.html
dv said:
The federal approval process for a new coal mine in Queensland is pressing ahead, despite revelations the project is under criminal investigation for illegal land clearing.Government officials told a Senate committee this week about the criminal probe and confirmed the approval process was proceeding anyway, which sparked fury from the Greens and environmentalists.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-07/illegal-mining-vitrinite-queensland-koala-habitat-mine/104567436
It is a Labor government in Canberra, isn’t it?
They seem to have been making extraordinary efforts over recent months to not upset the Libs and Nationals, or any of the ‘clients’ of those parties.
dv said:
Canavan defies Dutton edict, won’t withdraw abortion billhttps://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/canavan-defies-dutton-edict-won-t-withdraw-abortion-bill-20241106-p5koe2.html
Dutton seems to get more opposition from within his own ranks than from Labor, these days.
dv said:
The federal approval process for a new coal mine in Queensland is pressing ahead, despite revelations the project is under criminal investigation for illegal land clearing.Government officials told a Senate committee this week about the criminal probe and confirmed the approval process was proceeding anyway, which sparked fury from the Greens and environmentalists.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-07/illegal-mining-vitrinite-queensland-koala-habitat-mine/104567436
It is shocking stuff.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
The federal approval process for a new coal mine in Queensland is pressing ahead, despite revelations the project is under criminal investigation for illegal land clearing.Government officials told a Senate committee this week about the criminal probe and confirmed the approval process was proceeding anyway, which sparked fury from the Greens and environmentalists.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-07/illegal-mining-vitrinite-queensland-koala-habitat-mine/104567436
It is shocking stuff.
Australia no longer exists. This area is an economic for corporations, fucking stupid governments any camp and unfettered immigration, inflation, crime ( seen all the shootimg and stabbings recently) are the hallmark of the demise. The most most amusing stat is that Joe average will need to save for 40 years for the deposit on a loan.
wookiemeister said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
The federal approval process for a new coal mine in Queensland is pressing ahead, despite revelations the project is under criminal investigation for illegal land clearing.Government officials told a Senate committee this week about the criminal probe and confirmed the approval process was proceeding anyway, which sparked fury from the Greens and environmentalists.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-07/illegal-mining-vitrinite-queensland-koala-habitat-mine/104567436
It is shocking stuff.
What did you expectAustralia no longer exists. This area is an economic for corporations, fucking stupid governments any camp and unfettered immigration, inflation, crime ( seen all the shootimg and stabbings recently) are the hallmark of the demise. The most most amusing stat is that Joe average will need to save for 40 years for the deposit on a loan.
As far as that goes. Australia has been a hole in the ground the rest of the world dug for the entire time of our existence.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Canavan defies Dutton edict, won’t withdraw abortion billhttps://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/canavan-defies-dutton-edict-won-t-withdraw-abortion-bill-20241106-p5koe2.html
Dutton seems to get more opposition from within his own ranks than from Labor, these days.
because they’re the same party, as you know to win an election you just have to be as fascist as your next opponent
dv said:
Canavan defies Dutton edict, won’t withdraw abortion bill
this is a grassroots movement and is in no way emboldened by misogyny anywhere else
LOL fuck
Residents in Sydney’s eastern suburbs are kicking up a stink over a plan to stop dumping their raw sewage into the ocean, which they say will ruin a clifftop park and potentially cause bad odours. Sydney Water wants to build a pumping station at Eastern Reserve in Dover Heights to ensure sewage is treated at the Bondi wastewater treatment plant rather than dumped into the ocean.
A mystery that baffled Sydney beachgoers has been solved, with the makeup of the balls that washed up on NSW shores revealed – and experts say it’s grosser than initially believed. Scientists from UNSW have analysed the sticky black balls that washed up on Coogee Beach in mid-October. The results found that the balls are actually made up of human-made waste, rather than oil from an oil spill as first believed.
a round
“They smell absolutely disgusting, they smell worse than anything you’ve ever smelt,” lead investigator Associate Professor Jon Beves told 9News. “The sticky spheres contained hundreds of different components, including molecules that derive from cooking oil and soap scum, PFAS chemicals, steroidal compounds, antihypertensive medications, pesticides, and veterinary drugs.”
The balls themselves were mostly made up of a mixture of fats, oils, calcium and other metals. Other substances like human fecal waste and recreational drugs, including THC and methamphetamine were also found.
“The black balls found at Coogee Beach have high concentrations of fatty acids, glycerides and calcium, similar to FOG deposits,” Analytical Chemist Professor William Alexander Donald said. “I wouldn’t want to be swimming with them,” he told 9news. FOG blobs, which are made up of fat, oil and grease blobs, are commonly found in sewage systems.
LOL find out
SCIENCE said:
LOL fuck
Residents in Sydney’s eastern suburbs are kicking up a stink over a plan to stop dumping their raw sewage into the ocean, which they say will ruin a clifftop park and potentially cause bad odours. Sydney Water wants to build a pumping station at Eastern Reserve in Dover Heights to ensure sewage is treated at the Bondi wastewater treatment plant rather than dumped into the ocean.
A mystery that baffled Sydney beachgoers has been solved, with the makeup of the balls that washed up on NSW shores revealed – and experts say it’s grosser than initially believed. Scientists from UNSW have analysed the sticky black balls that washed up on Coogee Beach in mid-October. The results found that the balls are actually made up of human-made waste, rather than oil from an oil spill as first believed.
a round
“They smell absolutely disgusting, they smell worse than anything you’ve ever smelt,” lead investigator Associate Professor Jon Beves told 9News. “The sticky spheres contained hundreds of different components, including molecules that derive from cooking oil and soap scum, PFAS chemicals, steroidal compounds, antihypertensive medications, pesticides, and veterinary drugs.”
The balls themselves were mostly made up of a mixture of fats, oils, calcium and other metals. Other substances like human fecal waste and recreational drugs, including THC and methamphetamine were also found.“The black balls found at Coogee Beach have high concentrations of fatty acids, glycerides and calcium, similar to FOG deposits,” Analytical Chemist Professor William Alexander Donald said. “I wouldn’t want to be swimming with them,” he told 9news. FOG blobs, which are made up of fat, oil and grease blobs, are commonly found in sewage systems.
LOL find out
Rebrand them as part of the Mr Hanky playset
WTF
Pauline Hanson has threatened to take Emily Kim, a Brisbane city councillor to the Human Rights Commission, claiming racial vilification for Kim describing One Nation as “racist”.
WTF
SCIENCE said:
WTF
Pauline Hanson has threatened to take Emily Kim, a Brisbane city councillor to the Human Rights Commission, claiming racial vilification for Kim describing One Nation as “racist”.
WTF
Weird.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:WTF
Pauline Hanson has threatened to take Emily Kim, a Brisbane city councillor to the Human Rights Commission, claiming racial vilification for Kim describing One Nation as “racist”.
WTF
Weird.
It’s a distraction from this recent ruling
Federal Court rules Pauline Hanson racially discriminated Mehreen Faruqi in ‘piss off back to Pakistan’ social media post.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:WTF
Pauline Hanson has threatened to take Emily Kim, a Brisbane city councillor to the Human Rights Commission, claiming racial vilification for Kim describing One Nation as “racist”.
WTF
Weird.
It’s a distraction from this recent ruling
Federal Court rules Pauline Hanson racially discriminated Mehreen Faruqi in ‘piss off back to Pakistan’ social media post.
She is not fit to hold office, she gets in the media for all the wrong reasons.
Remember the Senate incident where Hanson dressed up in Islamic dress.
She was rude to aboriginals.
Pauline should piss off back to her fish and chips shop.
One Nation of white supremacists and racists.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:Weird.
It’s a distraction from this recent ruling
Federal Court rules Pauline Hanson racially discriminated Mehreen Faruqi in ‘piss off back to Pakistan’ social media post.
She is not fit to hold office, she gets in the media for all the wrong reasons.
Remember the Senate incident where Hanson dressed up in Islamic dress.
She was rude to aboriginals.
Pauline should piss off back to her fish and chips shop.
One Nation of white supremacists and racists.
She should dress up in white as a kkk member.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:It’s a distraction from this recent ruling
Federal Court rules Pauline Hanson racially discriminated Mehreen Faruqi in ‘piss off back to Pakistan’ social media post.
She is not fit to hold office, she gets in the media for all the wrong reasons.
Remember the Senate incident where Hanson dressed up in Islamic dress.
She was rude to aboriginals.
Pauline should piss off back to her fish and chips shop.
One Nation of white supremacists and racists.
She should dress up in white as a kkk member.
Closet facisist.
One Nation: No other Nations.
I think Inland Rail is a good project. They are still doing clearance and land acq in the Qld section but it is not unusual in projects of this scope to be building one part while still clearing another.
dv said:
I think Inland Rail is a good project. They are still doing clearance and land acq in the Qld section but it is not unusual in projects of this scope to be building one part while still clearing another.
It’s a grand concept, and it may well eventually be completed.
But, i would not bet a single dollar on it.
dv said:
I think Inland Rail is a good project. They are still doing clearance and land acq in the Qld section but it is not unusual in projects of this scope to be building one part while still clearing another.
It is a long line to lay.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I think Inland Rail is a good project. They are still doing clearance and land acq in the Qld section but it is not unusual in projects of this scope to be building one part while still clearing another.
It is a long line to lay.
as long as it’s not along a ley line.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I think Inland Rail is a good project. They are still doing clearance and land acq in the Qld section but it is not unusual in projects of this scope to be building one part while still clearing another.
It is a long line to lay.
as long as it’s not along a ley line.
:)
Seems all seats in the Qld election have been called now. KAP didn’t get quite enough to win Mulgrave.
So the final count is 52 LNP, 36 ALP, KAP 3, GRN 1, IND 1.
Ah well at least One Nation is out of there.
November 2024
Tasmanian Supreme Court judge pleads guilty to breaching AVO
Adelaide Lang
Australia’s Court System
A Tasmanian Supreme Court judge has pleaded guilty to breaching an apprehended violence order while visiting Sydney last year.
Justice Gregory Peter Geason, 63, was charged with three counts of knowingly contravening a restriction specified in an AVO in November this year.
He was visiting Sydney when he allegedly breached the court order.
On Friday, the Battery Point resident pleaded guilty to one count of breaching a restriction specified in an AVO.
The two remaining charges were dismissed without a plea.
Justice Geason had been set to fight the charges in a four day hearing in February next year.
However, those dates were vacated when he entered a guilty plea on Friday.
The 63-year-old will instead be sentenced in the NSW Local Court on December 13 over the AVO breach.
The guilty plea comes only weeks after he was found guilty of assaulting and emotionally abusing a woman in Hobart Magistrates Court.
Magistrate Susan Wakeling found Justice Geason had shaken the woman, struck her in the chest and pushed her forcefully, which caused her to fall back and hit her head.
She also found he had subjected the woman to emotional abuse or intimidation over a seven-month period, including by tracking her movements and pressuring her to sign a contract.
The breach occurred in Sydney in November last year.
The Tasmanian Supreme Court judge will be sentenced for the offences on November 14.
He is the first Tasmanian judge in 200 years to be charged with criminal offences.
The 63-year-old was appointed to the Tasmanian Supreme Court in November 2017 after practising law for nearly 40 years.
He has been on leave from his duties since early November last year and has given a written undertaking not to exercise any of the powers of a judge until the matters are resolved.
sarahs mum said:
November 2024
Tasmanian Supreme Court judge pleads guilty to breaching AVO
Adelaide Lang
Australia’s Court SystemA Tasmanian Supreme Court judge has pleaded guilty to breaching an apprehended violence order while visiting Sydney last year.
Justice Gregory Peter Geason, 63, was charged with three counts of knowingly contravening a restriction specified in an AVO in November this year.
He was visiting Sydney when he allegedly breached the court order.
On Friday, the Battery Point resident pleaded guilty to one count of breaching a restriction specified in an AVO.The two remaining charges were dismissed without a plea.
Justice Geason had been set to fight the charges in a four day hearing in February next year.
However, those dates were vacated when he entered a guilty plea on Friday.
The 63-year-old will instead be sentenced in the NSW Local Court on December 13 over the AVO breach.
The guilty plea comes only weeks after he was found guilty of assaulting and emotionally abusing a woman in Hobart Magistrates Court.
Magistrate Susan Wakeling found Justice Geason had shaken the woman, struck her in the chest and pushed her forcefully, which caused her to fall back and hit her head.
She also found he had subjected the woman to emotional abuse or intimidation over a seven-month period, including by tracking her movements and pressuring her to sign a contract.
The breach occurred in Sydney in November last year.The Tasmanian Supreme Court judge will be sentenced for the offences on November 14.
He is the first Tasmanian judge in 200 years to be charged with criminal offences.
The 63-year-old was appointed to the Tasmanian Supreme Court in November 2017 after practising law for nearly 40 years.
He has been on leave from his duties since early November last year and has given a written undertaking not to exercise any of the powers of a judge until the matters are resolved.
Surely that’s the end of his career.
dv said:
Seems all seats in the Qld election have been called now. KAP didn’t get quite enough to win Mulgrave.So the final count is 52 LNP, 36 ALP, KAP 3, GRN 1, IND 1.
Ah well at least One Nation is out of there.
they might pull a trump
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On 16 October, Randwick council said preliminary testing found the debris was “consistent with the makeup of tar balls”, which form from oil spills or seepage at sea. The EPA said the next day its test results matched the council’s. On Friday, an EPA spokesperson said: “The NSW EPA never stated the balls were ‘tar’ balls. “Initial testing done by UNSW for council did find hydrocarbons were present in samples but the EPA consistently stated that more extensive analysis was needed to confirm the makeup of the balls.”
The
In mid-October, Guardian Australia reported the team of scientists analysing the debris was investigating whether the balls could be linked to sewage and whether they could have come from a nearby water treatment plant. But it continued to be widely reported and understood that they were tar balls. Guardian Australia understands the regulator knew the pollutant material was consistent with human-generated waste as early as 25 October.
Fuck
SCIENCE said:
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Fair.
SCIENCE said:
Nothing That Happens In The World™ Affects The Rest Of The World ¡
What
On 16 October, Randwick council said preliminary testing found the debris was “consistent with the makeup of tar balls”, which form from oil spills or seepage at sea. The EPA said the next day its test results matched the council’s. On Friday, an EPA spokesperson said: “The NSW EPA never stated the balls were ‘tar’ balls. “Initial testing done by UNSW for council did find hydrocarbons were present in samples but the EPA consistently stated that more extensive analysis was needed to confirm the makeup of the balls.”
The
In mid-October, Guardian Australia reported the team of scientists analysing the debris was investigating whether the balls could be linked to sewage and whether they could have come from a nearby water treatment plant. But it continued to be widely reported and understood that they were tar balls. Guardian Australia understands the regulator knew the pollutant material was consistent with human-generated waste as early as 25 October.
Fuck
Yep, we’re all so happy living in our happy little bubble thinking that she’ll be right mate.
We’ve found some of those human waste balls on our miles-away-from-Randwick beach.
Been trying to put our heads in the sand but scared there might be more human waste balls in there.
Peter Dutton’s numbers continue to improve.
38% of voters now choose him as preferred PM, compared to 42% for Albanese.
Time for Gunsmoke on the wireless.
Peak Warming Man said:
Time for Gunsmoke on the wireless.
first man they call for, and the last man they want to see
Peak Warming Man said:
Time for Gunsmoke on the wireless.
William Conrad must be gettin’ on
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Time for Gunsmoke on the wireless.
William Conrad must be gettin’ on
His state of health has remained unaltered since 1994.
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
How un-Australian. It’s faggot and arse in this country.
Woodie said:
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
How un-Australian. It’s faggot and arse in this country.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
How un-Australian. It’s faggot and arse in this country.
Does his brain space look shrunken?
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
Funny that he spells it phaggot.
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
Confirmed as real.
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
Confirmed as real.
Hopefully he gets pinged HUGELY like Hanson did recently, for hate speech.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
Confirmed as real.
Hopefully he gets pinged HUGELY like Hanson did recently, for hate speech.
There are a lot of people who will not like what has been said.
Woodie said:
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
How un-Australian. It’s faggot and arse in this country.
Can confirm, it’s real
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
Confirmed as real.
Hopefully he gets pinged HUGELY like Hanson did recently, for hate speech.
That’d be nice.
Did you see the Karl Popper piece dv put up last night?
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:Confirmed as real.
Hopefully he gets pinged HUGELY like Hanson did recently, for hate speech.
That’d be nice.
Did you see the Karl Popper piece dv put up last night?
Missed it.
Thankfully,
The United Australia Party has never been registered in New South Wales.
Unfortunately for them,
Victoria is the only state where the party is still registered.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:Hopefully he gets pinged HUGELY like Hanson did recently, for hate speech.
That’d be nice.
Did you see the Karl Popper piece dv put up last night?
Missed it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
“The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. This paradox was articulated by philosopher Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945), where he argued that a truly tolerant society must not tolerate those who promote intolerance. Popper posited that if intolerant ideologies are allowed unchecked expression, they could exploit open society values to erode or destroy tolerance itself through authoritarian or oppressive practices.”
USA – effectively complete, and well-started in Australia now…
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:That’d be nice.
Did you see the Karl Popper piece dv put up last night?
Missed it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
“The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. This paradox was articulated by philosopher Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945), where he argued that a truly tolerant society must not tolerate those who promote intolerance. Popper posited that if intolerant ideologies are allowed unchecked expression, they could exploit open society values to erode or destroy tolerance itself through authoritarian or oppressive practices.”
USA – effectively complete, and well-started in Australia now…
Yep. :(
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:That’d be nice.
Did you see the Karl Popper piece dv put up last night?
Missed it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
“The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. This paradox was articulated by philosopher Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945), where he argued that a truly tolerant society must not tolerate those who promote intolerance. Popper posited that if intolerant ideologies are allowed unchecked expression, they could exploit open society values to erode or destroy tolerance itself through authoritarian or oppressive practices.”
USA – effectively complete, and well-started in Australia now…
It is a worry but we have little control over it all.
roughbarked said:
Thankfully,
The United Australia Party has never been registered in New South Wales.
Unfortunately for them,
Victoria is the only state where the party is still registered.
Has Clive Palmer gone down with his Titanic yet?
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
Confirmed as real.
How did you confirm it, Mr V?
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
Confirmed as real.
How did you confirm it, Mr V?
Seconded by dv: https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/2214087/
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:Confirmed as real.
How did you confirm it, Mr V?
Seconded by dv: https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/2214087/
fixed link for those who like it that way.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Not confirmed if this is legit sorry. I’ve blocked him on Twitter so I can’t check anyway.
Confirmed as real.
How did you confirm it, Mr V?
Looked up Senator Babet in Google, then went to his X-twitter account.
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:Confirmed as real.
How did you confirm it, Mr V?
Looked up Senator Babet in Google, then went to his X-twitter account.
I just did as well, using a different browser so I could see his account. I’m now completely happy with my decision to block him – That post above was a reply to his earlier post -
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Woodie said:How did you confirm it, Mr V?
Looked up Senator Babet in Google, then went to his X-twitter account.
I just did as well, using a different browser so I could see his account. I’m now completely happy with my decision to block him – That post above was a reply to his earlier post -
Phuck!
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:Confirmed as real.
How did you confirm it, Mr V?
Looked up Senator Babet in Google, then went to his X-twitter account.
Yes. Tiz actually there.
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Looked up Senator Babet in Google, then went to his X-twitter account.
I just did as well, using a different browser so I could see his account. I’m now completely happy with my decision to block him – That post above was a reply to his earlier post -
Phuck!
STPU everyone knows yous’re just as bad as them for calling lie believers “stupid” and racist eugenicists “fascists”.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
I just did as well, using a different browser so I could see his account. I’m now completely happy with my decision to block him – That post above was a reply to his earlier post -
Phuck!
STPU everyone knows yous’re just as bad as them for calling lie believers “stupid” and racist eugenicists “fascists”.
Wasn’t me and you cannot prove it.
sorry we meant phascists
Well yous all know that 100 years ago they had a great team sporting solution to the abundance of disengaged, unappreciated young men¡
Senator Canavan said his children are told about “the evils of masculinity and how terrible men are” in school and Australia had developed a “small-minded culture” which can “demonise masculinity”. “There’s a much bigger groundswell there that we’re not dealing with,” he said. “I worry for a society that ends up with lots of disengaged, unappreciated young men.”
They can beat drums and do what Netanyutin do¡
Bob Carr, a former Labor foreign minister, says Rudd is a “very fine ambassador” who “brings value to every meeting he has in Washington”.
“I couldn’t imagine a more effective ambassador at this time,” he told ABC’s Radio National Breakfast. “He’s got tremendous access in Washington, and we should not be remotely defensive about criticisms he made of Donald Trump, especially given that the Trump’s own choice as vice president JD Vance in 2016 was referring to the man he now serves as US president, as quote, America’s Hitler, unquote.”roughbarked said:
Bob Carr, a former Labor foreign minister, says Rudd is a “very fine ambassador” who “brings value to every meeting he has in Washington”.
“I couldn’t imagine a more effective ambassador at this time,” he told ABC’s Radio National Breakfast. “He’s got tremendous access in Washington, and we should not be remotely defensive about criticisms he made of Donald Trump, especially given that the Trump’s own choice as vice president JD Vance in 2016 was referring to the man he now serves as US president, as quote, America’s Hitler, unquote.”
“Why thank you for the compliment, it’s nice to be compared to these great leaders.”
Early election speculation hits a fever pitch as Albanese announces Tasmania candidates, deflects WA clash
SCIENCE said:
Early election speculation hits a fever pitch as Albanese announces Tasmania candidates, deflects WA clash
I think those odds are high for Labor. I am not expecting the Libs to be able to form govt.
I’m not expecting a very early election either. It would be insane for Labor to call a double dissolution election and I don’t see any merit in holding an election before March next year.
dv said:
sadly we must admit we are full conformists and hold the majority views in all of the above
dv said:
That’s reassuring.
SCIENCE said:
Early election speculation hits a fever pitch as Albanese announces Tasmania candidates, deflects WA clash
going early is not a good idea.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:Early election speculation hits a fever pitch as Albanese announces Tasmania candidates, deflects WA clash
going early is not a good idea.
i suppose it makes sense to go before the Murdochs have the chance to fully stuff on you.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:Early election speculation hits a fever pitch as Albanese announces Tasmania candidates, deflects WA clash
going early is not a good idea.
i suppose it makes sense to go before the Murdochs have the chance to fully stuff on you.
Maybe hang on for as long as possible waiting for Rupert to die?
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:going early is not a good idea.
i suppose it makes sense to go before the Murdochs have the chance to fully stuff on you.
Maybe hang on for as long as possible waiting for Rupert to die?
i think rupert has the future organised.
one of my takeaways from the us election is that the people I know who voted for trump were all Fox news enthusiasts and Fox was their main news source.
WA govt has released plans for building a new container port at Kwinana.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-11/fremantle-port-to-kwinana-port-relocation-by-end-2030s-update/104585836
link
Lets get on with building it I say!
party_pants said:
WA govt has released plans for building a new container port at Kwinana.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-11/fremantle-port-to-kwinana-port-relocation-by-end-2030s-update/104585836
linkLets get on with building it I say!
Yeah might as well get ahead of the problem.
They’ll be dredging through some banks so the local environmental impact won’t be nil.
dv said:
party_pants said:
WA govt has released plans for building a new container port at Kwinana.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-11/fremantle-port-to-kwinana-port-relocation-by-end-2030s-update/104585836
linkLets get on with building it I say!
Yeah might as well get ahead of the problem.
They’ll be dredging through some banks so the local environmental impact won’t be nil.
It never is. But the alternative is Roe stage 8.
Well here’s an efficiency, you can pump money into policing and save it on nurses all while
Since being elected, the Minns Government has closed pay deals with numerous unions, including the Health Services Union, the NSW Teachers Federation and Crown Employees. But negotiations with the nurses’ union appear to have reached a stalemate and have been ongoing for about eight months. To rub salt in the wound, NSW Police officers received a massive pay offer of up to 39 per cent over the next four years, at a cost of $697.6 million to the government. “We have been bleeding police,” NSW Police Minister Yasmin Catley said. This wage increase is set to be funded by reforms to police insurance. However, the nurse’s union said it had also identified possible areas of saving that would not require slashing vital hospital services. “We are so beyond frustrated, really our members are so angry that they continue to be undervalued and disrespected by this government,” Ms Candish said.
you direct forensic psychiatric issues away from the forensics and towards the psychiatry ¡
No DPRNA poison could ever find its way
“As such, the (Local Health) District is now looking at what this might look like moving forward and until such times, this procedure does not currently sit within Queanbeyan Hospital’s delineation.”
to Australia¡
Disclaimer it was before the choosing¡
No CHINA Surveillance Capitalism Here¡
wait
The tech company behind Woolworths smart trolleys says its carts can track shoppers through stores and send targeted ads. In Australia, Woolworths partnered with Chinese retail tech company Hanshow to co-create its smart trolleys.
wait
fk ¡ communism
SCIENCE said:
No CHINA Surveillance Capitalism Here¡
wait
The tech company behind Woolworths smart trolleys says its carts can track shoppers through stores and send targeted ads. In Australia, Woolworths partnered with Chinese retail tech company Hanshow to co-create its smart trolleys.
wait
fk ¡ communism
I never take my phone into a supermarket.
Neo-Nazi issues chilling warning to authorities.
Last week a member of Australia’s biggest far-right group, the National Socialist Network, was convicted of performing a Nazi salute.
7.30 can reveal a concerning escalation in rhetoric from leaders in the movement, who have made statements targeting the judiciary and police.
7.30’s Mike Lorigan reports with David Estcourt and Alysia Thomas-Sam.
Warning: This story contains distressing themes.
So uh…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-14/federal-politics-live-blog-november-14/104596290
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-14/federal-politics-live-blog-november-14/104596290#live-blog-post-134231
messaging is not a form of social media¿
14 November 2024
Tasmanian Supreme Court judge Gregory Geason sentenced, his supporters clash with media
Duncan Abey
Supporters of a Tasmanian judge convicted of domestic violence offences have clashed with media outside a Hobart court, with one family member grabbing a reporter’s microphone before declaring the 63-year-old Supreme Court justice was “not guilty” of the charges.
The wild scenes occurred moments after Justice Gregory Geason was sentenced to 100 hours community service for assault and emotional abuse that a magistrate has described as having a “profound effect” on the female victim.
Justice Geason’s sentence forms part of a 12-month community service order, with the court also recording convictions for both offences.
Justice Geason had pleaded not guilty to both charges, which were alleged to have been perpetrated against the woman over the course of nine months in 2023.
During a seven-day hearing in July, the woman gave evidence that she suffered concussion and significant bruising from the assault that occurred inside a Battery Point residence on 31 October last year.
Proceedings were presided over by Victorian Deputy Chief Magistrate Susan Wakeling, who was appointed after it was found that no Tasmanian magistrate could hear the case.
In sentencing, Magistrate Wakeling said she considered the common assault perpetrated by Justice Geason as serious, given it had occurred in a family violence context, Magistrate Wakeling also observed that emotional abuse and intimidation generally had an “inherent corrosive effect” on victims.
The sentence called for a strong denunciation of violence against women, the magistrate told Justice Geason.
“Your moral culpability is high having regard to your relationship with the complainant and the abuse of her trust,” Magistrate Wakeling said.
“Your love for her does not mitigate that breach of trust.
“You have not demonstrated remorse for your conduct, even following your finding of guilt.
“You are 63 years of age and your 30-year legal career is at an end.”
When asked about his sentence outside court, Justice Geason told waiting media “I have nothing to say”.
Supreme Court judge Gregory Geason avoids jail
INITIAL: A Tasmanian Supreme Court judge has been sentenced to 100 hours community service on Thursday, for the assault and emotional abuse a woman that a magistrate has described as having a “profound effect” on the victim.
His sentence will be part of a 12 month community service order and his conviction will be recorded.
Justice Gregory Geason, 63, had pleaded not guilty to both charges, which were alleged to have been perpetrated against the woman over the course of nine months in 2023.
During a seven-day hearing in July, the woman gave evidence that she suffered concussion and significant bruising from the assault that occurred inside a Battery Point residence on 31 October last year.
Proceedings have been presided over by Victorian Deputy Chief Magistrate Susan Wakeling, who was appointed after it was found that no Tasmanian magistrate could hear the case.
Justice Geason has remained suspended from his role on the Supreme Court bench.
During sentencing submissions held on Tuesday, Justice Geason’s defence counsel told the court the judge would quit his position “imminently”.
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/
dv said:
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/
I’m not particularly worried though. There’s likely to be a minority govt but the Libs do not have friendly relationships with the Greens and Teals.
It’s been 95 years since Australia last voted out a govt after one term.
Oh all right hats
“Digital Duty of Care”, unveiled on Wednesday night to modest fanfare, has the potential to be the most meaningful change to online safety laws in Australian history — even if it doesn’t exactly go viral. As a social media summit this week discusses the merits of Australia’s proposed world-leading ban for teenagers, Ange Lavoipierre asks: why have so few others made it down this path?
It’s the centrepiece of the government’s planned overhaul of the Online Safety Act, likely to be brought before parliament next year in the run up to the election. Despite the timing, the policy is more than just electioneering — it’s a key recommendation from a major independent review of the Act, led by former ACCC chair Delia Rickard.
It’s also a completely separate beast to the government’s controversial proposal to ban under 16s from social media altogether, which the government hopes to pass into law in the coming weeks. Instead, the Digital Duty of Care promises to be a fundamental rewrite of the rules for social media companies. If it works as intended, platforms will, for the first time, be forced to prevent harms from happening in the first place, instead of mopping up the damage only when a regulator exposes it.
off to this play, “look over there” at this underage ban while we pull the law out to over yous, eat this yous giant media manipulation agencies.
SCIENCE said:
Oh all right hats
“Digital Duty of Care”, unveiled on Wednesday night to modest fanfare, has the potential to be the most meaningful change to online safety laws in Australian history — even if it doesn’t exactly go viral. As a social media summit this week discusses the merits of Australia’s proposed world-leading ban for teenagers, Ange Lavoipierre asks: why have so few others made it down this path?
It’s the centrepiece of the government’s planned overhaul of the Online Safety Act, likely to be brought before parliament next year in the run up to the election. Despite the timing, the policy is more than just electioneering — it’s a key recommendation from a major independent review of the Act, led by former ACCC chair Delia Rickard.
It’s also a completely separate beast to the government’s controversial proposal to ban under 16s from social media altogether, which the government hopes to pass into law in the coming weeks. Instead, the Digital Duty of Care promises to be a fundamental rewrite of the rules for social media companies. If it works as intended, platforms will, for the first time, be forced to prevent harms from happening in the first place, instead of mopping up the damage only when a regulator exposes it.
off to this play, “look over there” at this underage ban while we pull the law out to over yous, eat this yous giant media manipulation agencies.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-15/digital-duty-of-care-online-safety-social-media-ban/104601744
pharque though, why not
So how would a duty of care work in practice? Stay with me, as I invite you to consider … fireworks.
consider guns you xenophobes
Wow this fella might
Anthony Albanese will seek to exploit Donald Trump’s pledge to slash investment in the United States’ clean energy industries. The prime minister is using meetings in South America to pitch Australia as a safe and reliable trading partner in the hope it could lure billions that otherwise would have been invested in the US. Mr Albanese will also seek to meet with China’s president during his visits to Peru and Brazil.
actually be finally doing something useful, good.
What’s going on with truth in advertising?
A separate bill contains the proposed truth-in-political-advertising regime, modelled on South Australia’s laws.
The Australian Electoral Commission would assemble a panel that deliberates on truth complaints referred to it and can issue injunctions.
In inquiries of the electoral matters committee, the AEC has said it does not want this role. This bill may struggle because it lacks Coalition support.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/nov/16/labor-liberals-public-funding-electoral-law-reform
sarahs mum said:
What’s going on with truth in advertising?
A separate bill contains the proposed truth-in-political-advertising regime, modelled on South Australia’s laws.The Australian Electoral Commission would assemble a panel that deliberates on truth complaints referred to it and can issue injunctions.
In inquiries of the electoral matters committee, the AEC has said it does not want this role. This bill may struggle because it lacks Coalition support.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/nov/16/labor-liberals-public-funding-electoral-law-reform
I suspect that there’s some sections of the government, and of the ALP organisation, whose support for it is also somewhat less than red-hot.
SCIENCE said:
Wow this fella might
Anthony Albanese will seek to exploit Donald Trump’s pledge to slash investment in the United States’ clean energy industries. The prime minister is using meetings in South America to pitch Australia as a safe and reliable trading partner in the hope it could lure billions that otherwise would have been invested in the US. Mr Albanese will also seek to meet with China’s president during his visits to Peru and Brazil.
actually be finally doing something useful, good.
and waking up the inner troll
When asked what he made of those comments, Mr Albanese said he did not subscribe to China Daily.
LOL
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Liberals concede defeat in Black by-election in Adelaide’s south after ‘huge swing’ towards Labor
SCIENCE said:
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Liberals concede defeat in Black by-election in Adelaide’s south after ‘huge swing’ towards Labor
ALP is still riding very high in WA and SA.
Also this seat was formerly held by a Lib leader and he resigned.
Antony was happy to call it at 720pm local. About a 13% swing.
Although in America they would call it a 26% swing.
17 November 2024
Voting trends in Australia: Education reshapes politics
The Australian political landscape is experiencing a significant realignment. Voters are shifting from class-based voting to voting by social values and identity.
Since the 1950s, pollsters and academics have told us Labor championed the working class while the Liberals stood for business interests and wealthier voters. But today, that clear economic divide is breaking.
Australians now vote less based on class and occupation and more on lifestyle, education, and cultural values.
This shift mirrors changes in the US, where Donald Trump reshaped the Republican Party into a working-class movement. The Democrats now resonate more with college-educated, upper-income suburban voters, especially women. Trump’s win in an election thought to be closely contested highlighted this new coalition of values-based politics and the underlying force of economic anger among the working class.
The Australian prime minister described America’s relationship with Australia as being that of ‘old allies and true friends, and said his government would ‘strive to strengthen co-operation between our two nations’.
An Australian National University study says Australia is following this trend. Academics say findings from the 2022 federal election show a continued shift in voting behaviour based on gender, age, and education level. Education, rather than occupation, is now the best predictor of voting preference.
Australians with university degrees tend to favour Labor and the Greens. At the last election, Teal independents received votes from this cohort too. These voters often have different social values than those without tertiary education, who lean toward the Liberal or National parties.
That may seem like a broad generalisation, but many polls and studies show that more highly educated voters are more likely to live nearer the centre of big cities and major regional cities, where the better-paid jobs tend to be, while the less highly educated are more likely to be found in the outer suburbs and regions. So, what’s that signal for the next election?
Pollsters tell us those without tertiary education are angry. Angrier than they have ever been, as they blame any sitting government for how difficult and unaffordable it is to live.
Anger was a motivating factor in the recent US election, and it will be here, too. As sure as the sun shines, the opposition will stoke anger and division to win votes, and the government will try to soothe anger by talking calmly about its achievements and plans.
Time will tell which strategy will ultimately motivate voters, but anger is an emotion, a feeling; feelings sometimes can’t be explained logically; any psychologist will tell you that when someone is angry, it is hard to talk logically and calmly with them.
Politicians from across the divide, interstate and in Tasmania have told me when they doorknock it is clear anger will be a powerful motivator in Australian voting trends, especially among those without tertiary education. Polls show these voters feel more frustrated than ever as living in our country becomes increasingly unaffordable. They are disillusioned with political promises and just want someone to blame.
When voting begins at the next federal election, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the angry voter will want change and all the carefully measured policies in the world might not make a difference when their fingers are on the pencil and their mind is fueled by disillusionment and dissatisfaction.
Craig Thomson is the editor of The Examiner
sarahs mum said:
17 November 2024
Voting trends in Australia: Education reshapes politicsThe Australian political landscape is experiencing a significant realignment. Voters are shifting from class-based voting to voting by social values and identity.
Since the 1950s, pollsters and academics have told us Labor championed the working class while the Liberals stood for business interests and wealthier voters. But today, that clear economic divide is breaking.
Australians now vote less based on class and occupation and more on lifestyle, education, and cultural values.
This shift mirrors changes in the US, where Donald Trump reshaped the Republican Party into a working-class movement. The Democrats now resonate more with college-educated, upper-income suburban voters, especially women. Trump’s win in an election thought to be closely contested highlighted this new coalition of values-based politics and the underlying force of economic anger among the working class.
The Australian prime minister described America’s relationship with Australia as being that of ‘old allies and true friends, and said his government would ‘strive to strengthen co-operation between our two nations’.
An Australian National University study says Australia is following this trend. Academics say findings from the 2022 federal election show a continued shift in voting behaviour based on gender, age, and education level. Education, rather than occupation, is now the best predictor of voting preference.
Australians with university degrees tend to favour Labor and the Greens. At the last election, Teal independents received votes from this cohort too. These voters often have different social values than those without tertiary education, who lean toward the Liberal or National parties.
That may seem like a broad generalisation, but many polls and studies show that more highly educated voters are more likely to live nearer the centre of big cities and major regional cities, where the better-paid jobs tend to be, while the less highly educated are more likely to be found in the outer suburbs and regions. So, what’s that signal for the next election?
Pollsters tell us those without tertiary education are angry. Angrier than they have ever been, as they blame any sitting government for how difficult and unaffordable it is to live.Anger was a motivating factor in the recent US election, and it will be here, too. As sure as the sun shines, the opposition will stoke anger and division to win votes, and the government will try to soothe anger by talking calmly about its achievements and plans.
Time will tell which strategy will ultimately motivate voters, but anger is an emotion, a feeling; feelings sometimes can’t be explained logically; any psychologist will tell you that when someone is angry, it is hard to talk logically and calmly with them.
Politicians from across the divide, interstate and in Tasmania have told me when they doorknock it is clear anger will be a powerful motivator in Australian voting trends, especially among those without tertiary education. Polls show these voters feel more frustrated than ever as living in our country becomes increasingly unaffordable. They are disillusioned with political promises and just want someone to blame.
When voting begins at the next federal election, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the angry voter will want change and all the carefully measured policies in the world might not make a difference when their fingers are on the pencil and their mind is fueled by disillusionment and dissatisfaction.
Craig Thomson is the editor of The Examiner
so ‘e was right after all
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
17 November 2024
Voting trends in Australia: Education reshapes politicsThe Australian political landscape is experiencing a significant realignment. Voters are shifting from class-based voting to voting by social values and identity.
Since the 1950s, pollsters and academics have told us Labor championed the working class while the Liberals stood for business interests and wealthier voters. But today, that clear economic divide is breaking.
Australians now vote less based on class and occupation and more on lifestyle, education, and cultural values.
This shift mirrors changes in the US, where Donald Trump reshaped the Republican Party into a working-class movement. The Democrats now resonate more with college-educated, upper-income suburban voters, especially women. Trump’s win in an election thought to be closely contested highlighted this new coalition of values-based politics and the underlying force of economic anger among the working class.
The Australian prime minister described America’s relationship with Australia as being that of ‘old allies and true friends, and said his government would ‘strive to strengthen co-operation between our two nations’.
An Australian National University study says Australia is following this trend. Academics say findings from the 2022 federal election show a continued shift in voting behaviour based on gender, age, and education level. Education, rather than occupation, is now the best predictor of voting preference.
Australians with university degrees tend to favour Labor and the Greens. At the last election, Teal independents received votes from this cohort too. These voters often have different social values than those without tertiary education, who lean toward the Liberal or National parties.
That may seem like a broad generalisation, but many polls and studies show that more highly educated voters are more likely to live nearer the centre of big cities and major regional cities, where the better-paid jobs tend to be, while the less highly educated are more likely to be found in the outer suburbs and regions. So, what’s that signal for the next election?
Pollsters tell us those without tertiary education are angry. Angrier than they have ever been, as they blame any sitting government for how difficult and unaffordable it is to live.Anger was a motivating factor in the recent US election, and it will be here, too. As sure as the sun shines, the opposition will stoke anger and division to win votes, and the government will try to soothe anger by talking calmly about its achievements and plans.
Time will tell which strategy will ultimately motivate voters, but anger is an emotion, a feeling; feelings sometimes can’t be explained logically; any psychologist will tell you that when someone is angry, it is hard to talk logically and calmly with them.
Politicians from across the divide, interstate and in Tasmania have told me when they doorknock it is clear anger will be a powerful motivator in Australian voting trends, especially among those without tertiary education. Polls show these voters feel more frustrated than ever as living in our country becomes increasingly unaffordable. They are disillusioned with political promises and just want someone to blame.
When voting begins at the next federal election, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the angry voter will want change and all the carefully measured policies in the world might not make a difference when their fingers are on the pencil and their mind is fueled by disillusionment and dissatisfaction.
Craig Thomson is the editor of The Examiner
so ‘e was right after all
He was Master Yoda, after all.
meanwhile
Veteran broadcaster Alan Jones arrested in Sydney amid alleged indecent assault and sexual touching offences investigation
guess we’re not quite the 51st state of grab them by the purulent yet
oh surprise
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-18/aukus-nuclear-waste-to-be-stored-adelaide-suburbs/104605640
¿ be careful what you vote for ?
nah
SCIENCE said:
meanwhile
Veteran broadcaster Alan Jones arrested in Sydney amid alleged indecent assault and sexual touching offences investigation
guess we’re not quite the 51st state of grab them by the purulent yet
His real self shining out?
SCIENCE said:
oh surprise
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-18/aukus-nuclear-waste-to-be-stored-adelaide-suburbs/104605640
¿ be careful what you vote for ?
nah
Nobody asked me to vote for AUKUS.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
oh surprise
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-18/aukus-nuclear-waste-to-be-stored-adelaide-suburbs/104605640
¿ be careful what you vote for ?
nah
Nobody asked me to vote for AUKUS.
Yeah but Australia elected the supreme Marketing Master of Multiple Ministries¡ It’s democracy¡
well, Magic, anyway
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
oh surprise
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-18/aukus-nuclear-waste-to-be-stored-adelaide-suburbs/104605640
¿ be careful what you vote for ?
nah
Nobody asked me to vote for AUKUS.
Yeah but Australia elected the supreme Marketing Master of Multiple Ministries¡ It’s democracy¡
Doesn’t make me any less angry about it.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:meanwhile
Veteran broadcaster Alan Jones arrested in Sydney amid alleged indecent assault and sexual touching offences investigation
guess we’re not quite the 51st state of grab them by the purulent yet
His real self shining out?
I suspect that someone who is or was in a high office somewhere found that they were unable or unwilling to shield him any longer.
SCIENCE said:
meanwhile
Veteran broadcaster Alan Jones arrested in Sydney amid alleged indecent assault and sexual touching offences investigation
guess we’re not quite the 51st state of grab them by the purulent yet
Well about time..
Allegations about his conduct going back to 1974.. and a few months ago I see.
His hypocrisy is his most annoying characteristic.
Broadcasting for years and years about what’s wrong with Australian society, and what kinds of people are ‘threats’ to a ‘decent way of life’, and all the while being his own brand of low-life.
I’m not talking about him being gay. He can be as gay as he wants, all the live-long day, i don’t care. If he and his partners are happy, then so am i.
It’s his predation and coercing and relying on his ‘contacts’ to shield him, and to help him conceal facets of his character that he knew that his simple-minded listener demographic might find ‘distasteful’.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:meanwhile
Veteran broadcaster Alan Jones arrested in Sydney amid alleged indecent assault and sexual touching offences investigation
guess we’re not quite the 51st state of grab them by the purulent yet
His real self shining out?
I suspect that someone who is or was in a high office somewhere found that they were unable or unwilling to shield him any longer.
Looking that way.
captain_spalding said:
His hypocrisy is his most annoying characteristic.Broadcasting for years and years about what’s wrong with Australian society, and what kinds of people are ‘threats’ to a ‘decent way of life’, and all the while being his own brand of low-life.
I’m not talking about him being gay. He can be as gay as he wants, all the live-long day, i don’t care. If he and his partners are happy, then so am i.
It’s his predation and coercing and relying on his ‘contacts’ to shield him, and to help him conceal facets of his character that he knew that his simple-minded listener demographic might find ‘distasteful’.
Says a lot about the powers that be behind 2GB?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
His hypocrisy is his most annoying characteristic.Broadcasting for years and years about what’s wrong with Australian society, and what kinds of people are ‘threats’ to a ‘decent way of life’, and all the while being his own brand of low-life.
I’m not talking about him being gay. He can be as gay as he wants, all the live-long day, i don’t care. If he and his partners are happy, then so am i.
It’s his predation and coercing and relying on his ‘contacts’ to shield him, and to help him conceal facets of his character that he knew that his simple-minded listener demographic might find ‘distasteful’.
Says a lot about the powers that be behind 2GB?
2GB is in the mix somewhere, quite probably, but the set of people looking after their friends is undoubtedly not limited to just that.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
His hypocrisy is his most annoying characteristic.Broadcasting for years and years about what’s wrong with Australian society, and what kinds of people are ‘threats’ to a ‘decent way of life’, and all the while being his own brand of low-life.
I’m not talking about him being gay. He can be as gay as he wants, all the live-long day, i don’t care. If he and his partners are happy, then so am i.
It’s his predation and coercing and relying on his ‘contacts’ to shield him, and to help him conceal facets of his character that he knew that his simple-minded listener demographic might find ‘distasteful’.
Says a lot about the powers that be behind 2GB?
2GB is in the mix somewhere, quite probably, but the set of people looking after their friends is undoubtedly not limited to just that.
Yes and the possibility of a paedophile ring?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Says a lot about the powers that be behind 2GB?
2GB is in the mix somewhere, quite probably, but the set of people looking after their friends is undoubtedly not limited to just that.
Yes and the possibility of a paedophile ring?
The whole Epstein burial and then the Trump Gaetz justice brilliance and all these shit we swear the protection racket is disgusting but also seems hopeless.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Says a lot about the powers that be behind 2GB?
2GB is in the mix somewhere, quite probably, but the set of people looking after their friends is undoubtedly not limited to just that.
Yes and the possibility of a paedophile ring?
Dunno about that. Maybe. There may well be questions about whether or not certain people were or were not aware of someone else’s actual age. We’ll have to wait and see how much dirty laundry gets dragged out.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:2GB is in the mix somewhere, quite probably, but the set of people looking after their friends is undoubtedly not limited to just that.
Yes and the possibility of a paedophile ring?
Dunno about that. Maybe. There may well be questions about whether or not certain people were or were not aware of someone else’s actual age. We’ll have to wait and see how much dirty laundry gets dragged out.
Yes.
I knew I had read something recently about Alan Jones which made me shudder. It’s taken a little while to track it down as any search on Alan Jones talks about his arrest or his sacking from Sky News or his work on his own streaming news channel ADH TV, which ‘shares Alan Jones own unique take on events and issues’ (and veers more right than that even handed Sky News place).
So here you go, a little bit more on dear Mr Jones, with some other interesting names involved-
Alan Jones’ old media company eyes Southern Cross regional TV assets. The conservative broadcaster behind Alan Jones’ former online talk show has emerged as a surprising suitor for Southern Cross Austereo’s television network as it attempts to create a new regional media group, reports The AFR’s Sam Buckingham-Jones. Maurice Newman, the former ABC chairman who now chairs Australian Digital Holdings TV, has been working with the company’s co-founder Jack Bulfin and former Seven Network news executive Jason Morrison on a deal to buy the network, slash content costs and create local news shows
And James Packer financially backs ADH TV.
This is worth a read for more info- https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-guardian-australia/20241114/281668260504735
ruby said:
I knew I had read something recently about Alan Jones which made me shudder. It’s taken a little while to track it down as any search on Alan Jones talks about his arrest or his sacking from Sky News or his work on his own streaming news channel ADH TV, which ‘shares Alan Jones own unique take on events and issues’ (and veers more right than that even handed Sky News place).So here you go, a little bit more on dear Mr Jones, with some other interesting names involved-
Alan Jones’ old media company eyes Southern Cross regional TV assets. The conservative broadcaster behind Alan Jones’ former online talk show has emerged as a surprising suitor for Southern Cross Austereo’s television network as it attempts to create a new regional media group, reports The AFR’s Sam Buckingham-Jones. Maurice Newman, the former ABC chairman who now chairs Australian Digital Holdings TV, has been working with the company’s co-founder Jack Bulfin and former Seven Network news executive Jason Morrison on a deal to buy the network, slash content costs and create local news shows
And James Packer financially backs ADH TV.
This is worth a read for more info- https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-guardian-australia/20241114/281668260504735
Perusing that.
Babet and Thorpe have been censured in the Senate
roughbarked said:
ruby said:
I knew I had read something recently about Alan Jones which made me shudder. It’s taken a little while to track it down as any search on Alan Jones talks about his arrest or his sacking from Sky News or his work on his own streaming news channel ADH TV, which ‘shares Alan Jones own unique take on events and issues’ (and veers more right than that even handed Sky News place).
So here you go, a little bit more on dear Mr Jones, with some other interesting names involved-
Alan Jones’ old media company eyes Southern Cross regional TV assets. The conservative broadcaster behind Alan Jones’ former online talk show has emerged as a surprising suitor for Southern Cross Austereo’s television network as it attempts to create a new regional media group, reports The AFR’s Sam Buckingham-Jones. Maurice Newman, the former ABC chairman who now chairs Australian Digital Holdings TV, has been working with the company’s co-founder Jack Bulfin and former Seven Network news executive Jason Morrison on a deal to buy the network, slash content costs and create local news shows
And James Packer financially backs ADH TV.
This is worth a read for more info- https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-guardian-australia/20241114/281668260504735
Perusing that.
well what business is it of ours what consenting adults in the Australian fascist media landscape get up to while they’re in bed together
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Why
dv said:
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Why
stand by for massive financial computer system attack in
wait
dv said:
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Why
Network outages would be one reason.
Michael V said:
dv said:
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Why
Network outages would be one reason.
Btn will be here shortly to give the ‘off the grid nutter’ perspective…
runs away
dv said:
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Why
Ensuring that cash remains a viable payment option into the future.
Brown paper bags of $50 and $100 notes are a much more secure and far less noticeable means of finalising some types of transactions.
17 November 2024
Revealed: racist emails circulated in prosecutors’ office ahead of riot sparked by death of Cameron Mulrunji Doomadgee
Jamie Walker
Former Queensland police officer Chris Hurley, and Cameron Mulrunji Doomadgee.
A racist cartoon was circulated by office email among staff of Queensland’s Crown Prosecution Service ahead of the controversial 2004 death in custody of Indigenous man Cameron Mulrunji Doomadgee, heightening concern about bias in the criminal justice system.
The emergence of the offensive cartoon comes as the 3500-strong Aboriginal community of Palm Island prepares to mark the 20th anniversary on Tuesday of Doomadgee’s death in the police lockup there – a tragedy that led to disastrous rioting, political uproar, up-ended coronial findings, judicial reviews and court drama drawn out over years of bitterly contested proceedings and trials.
The burnt-out police station and courthouse on Palm Island following the 2004 riot. Picture: Melissa Ketchell
The burnt-out police station and courthouse on Palm Island following the 2004 riot. Picture: Melissa Ketchell
The cartoon depicting a flock of black ducklings, and captioned with a deeply racist term, was sent around the state Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions in Townsville on November 11, 2004, eight days before Doomadgee died on nearby Palm Island after being arrested while allegedly drunk.
The email distribution list shows it was forwarded by an administrative officer to at least 12 other staff in the Townsville office, including Crown prosecutors who went on to be involved in the Doomadgee saga. The administrative officer remains employed by the Queensland Department of Justice and Attorney-General.
This was not an isolated incident. The Australian has also obtained a copy of a racist email circulated to ODPP staff in Townsville in January 2008, styled as an ABC “media release”. The sham document read: “In response to a number of complaints that there are not enough Indigenous and Asian people appearing on TV, ABC Television have (sic) decided that in future ‘Crimestoppers’ will be shown ‘TWICE’ weekly.”
Speaking on condition that they not be identified, the person said: “The distribution of such a document would be wrong today and it was wrong then. Remember, our office was responsible for prosecuting serious crimes throughout north Queensland. That meant that many of the victims, witnesses and accused were Aboriginal or Islander people.
An aerial shot of the damage from the 2004 riot.
An aerial shot of the damage from the 2004 riot.
“That someone in our office thought it was OK to distribute such a document within or without the office was surprising, to say the least. I think naivety rather than any considered expression of personal belief was to blame for the distribution.”
It is understood that then regional consultant Peter Smid, the ranking prosecutor in Townsville, was informed that the ducks cartoon had been circulated. It is not clear what action, if any, was taken.
The Australian is not suggesting Mr Smid or any person who received either email had invited the messages or condoned them. Mr Smid, who later served as a magistrate, did not respond to written questions sent to the Queensland Chief Magistrate for his attention.
The Office of the DPP, headed by Todd Fuller KC, said it would refer the emails to the state Department of Justice and Attorney-General’s ethical standards unit for assessment.
But, given the time elapsed, the ODPP was not able to authenticate the documents or confirm the “context in which they were allegedly sent”. A spokesperson said: “No conclusion can be drawn about the culture in the Townsville office in 2004 and 2008 on the basis of two emails dated four years apart.”
Although the ducks cartoon went around the Townsville office prior to Doomadgee’s death, its proximity to the calamitous fallout on Palm Island should have sounded alarm bells, observers said.
Another staff member from the time, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was an “appalling lapse” that should not have been tolerated. “It was very clear that after the death (of Doomadgee) the situation was extremely volatile on Palm Island,” the person said. “I think people at that point should have been reminded of their responsibility to behave professionally and not to do or say anything that might reflect poorly on the office. As far as I can remember, nothing was said.”
Former Palm Island police chief Chris Hurley attends court
Former Palm Island police chief Chris Hurley attends court
The community erupted when Doomadgee’s family received a copy of the post-mortem report showing he had sustained four broken ribs and a fatal liver rupture. They were informed by the coroner that this was consistent with the 36-year-old falling off a concrete step while struggling with the island’s police chief, senior sergeant Chris Hurley, at the watch-house entrance. Hurley, who stood 201cm and weighed 115kg, subsequently said the injuries may have been inflicted when he accidentally toppled on to Doomadgee, a slight man of 74kg.
Armed reinforcements were flown in to restore order in a response that turned heavy-handed. Residents claimed assault rifles were trained on children as police outfitted in riot gear went house to house to arrest suspects. The Queensland government in 2018 was forced to settle a class action for $30m and apologise to Palm Islanders for the “distress, humiliation and violence” caused by the raids, which amounted to discrimination “on the basis of their race”.
By then, the blizzard of criminal prosecutions, hearings and investigations had devolved into a shambles, reaching all the way to the highest court in the land. A coroner’s 2006 finding that Hurley had killed Doomadgee with a series of punches was quashed on appeal, adding to the clamour over the policeman’s culpability. Then Queensland DPP Leanne Clare, now a senior District Court judge, declined to prosecute Hurley but was overruled by state attorney-general Kerry Shine on the basis of an independent review conducted by former NSW chief justice Laurence Street.
Palm Island local Lex Wotton. Pictured: Zak Simmonds
Palm Island local Lex Wotton. Pictured: Zak Simmonds
After being paroled in 2010, Wotton went to the High Court to challenge conditions of his release that gagged him from speaking to the media. He lost. A fresh inquest found that Hurley may have fatally injured Doomadgee with an accidental “knee drop” into the Aboriginal man’s torso when they fell together while grappling outside the watch-house. However, coroner Brian Hine said he could not make a definitive finding due to the unreliability of both the police and Aboriginal witnesses.
Palm Island mayor Alf Lacey. Picture: Scott Radford-Chisholm
Palm Island mayor Alf Lacey. Picture: Scott Radford-Chisholm
Looking back, Mr Lacey said: “Tuesday is the 20th anniversary of the death of Mulrunji Doomadgee and the Palm Island community will mark this day with a healing ceremony. We cannot undo the past so our focus is on healing, education and awareness, and ensuring a better life for the new generation of Bwgcolman peoples.”
Mr Boe outside court. Picture: AAP
Mr Boe outside court. Picture: AAP
But Mr Boe cautioned against drawing a connection between the racist emails that went around the ODPP in Townsville and the prosecution of the Doomadgee affair, saying there was no suggestion “this sort of conduct directly informed any decision by the DPP … including the decision not to prosecute senior sergeant Chris Hurley”.
At the same time, expressions of racism could never be passed off as “just a joke”, Mr Boe said. He told The Australian: “There has been a plethora of similar conduct in police forces, sporting clubs and in corporate environments where the person seeks to suggest that merely expressing these views or circulating racially offensive ‘jokes’ does not mean that they are racist or they have behaved in a racist manner.
“Or they say ‘it was just a joke’. Those explanations have invariably either been accepted, or resulted in no action being taken. That distinction is utter nonsense.”
The spokesperson for the ODPP said: “The decision not to prosecute (Hurley) in the Palm Island matter was taken by the then Director of Public Prosecutions, not the Townsville office. The subsequent prosecution was conducted by independent counsel engaged by the attorney-general.”
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https://michaelwest.com.au/aukus-9b-to-us-and-uk-shipyards-but-wait-theres-more/
The Albanese Government is already pouring $9.1B of taxpayers’ money into the US and UK submarine industrial base. Yet a new FOI release from Washington reveals a secret deal that means there’s even more money to be dispatched. Rex Patrick reports.
grace, yeah that’s the word for it, grace
Just two hours after Alan Jones was bustled out of a Sydney police station on bail, at his former employer, Sky News, conservative pundits reacted to the arrest of their one-time colleague.
High-profile commentator Andrew Bolt said if the allegations that Jones indecently assaulted and sexually touched multiple men were proven, it would be “one of the greatest falls from grace” in Australian history.
oh yeah what was that thing about glass houses and residency
we have some right boulders for yous fellas let’s go
SCIENCE said:
grace, yeah that’s the word for it, grace
Just two hours after Alan Jones was bustled out of a Sydney police station on bail, at his former employer, Sky News, conservative pundits reacted to the arrest of their one-time colleague.
High-profile commentator Andrew Bolt said if the allegations that Jones indecently assaulted and sexually touched multiple men were proven, it would be “one of the greatest falls from grace” in Australian history.
oh yeah what was that thing about glass houses and residency
we have some right boulders for yous fellas let’s go
So he had grace when he committed the crimes
When he was arrested he still has grace
If he’s convicted the grace is gone
So its only wrong if you get caught
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
grace, yeah that’s the word for it, grace
Just two hours after Alan Jones was bustled out of a Sydney police station on bail, at his former employer, Sky News, conservative pundits reacted to the arrest of their one-time colleague.
High-profile commentator Andrew Bolt said if the allegations that Jones indecently assaulted and sexually touched multiple men were proven, it would be “one of the greatest falls from grace” in Australian history.
oh yeah what was that thing about glass houses and residency
we have some right boulders for yous fellas let’s go
So he had grace when he committed the crimes
When he was arrested he still has grace
If he’s convicted the grace is gone
So its only wrong if you get caught
yeah like many said, the protection racket is fucked up as
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
yeah like many said, the protection racket is fucked up as
That matters have proceeded as far as they have can suggest that some degree of protection has been withdrawn from him.
It would be interesting to know just what that protection was, and why it was withdrawn.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Cymek said:
yeah like many said, the protection racket is fucked up as
That matters have proceeded as far as they have can suggest that some degree of protection has been withdrawn from him.
It would be interesting to know just what that protection was, and why it was withdrawn.
SCIENCE didn’t say that, i did. Messed up the quoting.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
So he had grace when he committed the crimes
When he was arrested he still has grace
If he’s convicted the grace is gone
So its only wrong if you get caught
yeah like many said, the protection racket is fucked up as
That matters have proceeded as far as they have can suggest that some degree of protection has been withdrawn from him.
It would be interesting to know just what that protection was, and why it was withdrawn.
^
SCIENCE said:
grace, yeah that’s the word for it, grace
Just two hours after Alan Jones was bustled out of a Sydney police station on bail, at his former employer, Sky News, conservative pundits reacted to the arrest of their one-time colleague.
High-profile commentator Andrew Bolt said if the allegations that Jones indecently assaulted and sexually touched multiple men were proven, it would be “one of the greatest falls from grace” in Australian history.
oh yeah what was that thing about glass houses and residency
we have some right boulders for yous fellas let’s go
The misogynistic comment about throwing the PM into the ocean in a chaff bag lowered his IQ about 10 points.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:grace, yeah that’s the word for it, grace
Just two hours after Alan Jones was bustled out of a Sydney police station on bail, at his former employer, Sky News, conservative pundits reacted to the arrest of their one-time colleague.
High-profile commentator Andrew Bolt said if the allegations that Jones indecently assaulted and sexually touched multiple men were proven, it would be “one of the greatest falls from grace” in Australian history.
oh yeah what was that thing about glass houses and residency
we have some right boulders for yous fellas let’s go
The misogynistic comment about throwing the PM into the ocean in a chaff bag lowered his IQ about 10 points.
He was mates with pedo Pell.
so we read the pravda article and felt sick
SCIENCE said:
so we read the pravda article and felt sick
Why did the NSW Police finally take action against him, although the things with which he’s charged were, almost undoubtedly, well known to them for a long time beforehand?
It was possibly because, as Amanda Meade quotes Chris Masters in the article, “…as soon as he finished broadcasting and he lost the bully pulpit, the widespread fear that kept him in power dissipated”. (I think that it began to dissipate, and that it’s only recently that it’s faded sufficiently to make him less of a problem.)
Perhaps he recently tried to use the kind of ‘leverage’ that he used to have, and may have felt that he still had, and the people who used to fear him, and thus help to protect him, decided that it was time to show him, and anyone else in similar positions with similar ideas, that those days are over, and that he’s not in a position to influence things any more.
“The Coalition is set to help Labor pass a controversial migration bill allowing Australia to pay third countries to accept unlawful non-citizens, subject to a one-week inquiry that may recommend minor changes.”
WHY DONT THEY SEND THEM BEACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM
idiots
Wealthy private schools are among the top targets of online hackers, according to a new report by Australia’s cyber spy agency.
abolishing private schools would have prevented this
“What is embarrassing here is the leader of the opposition’s proposition that Australia should walk down from where we are now and having no civil nuclear industry, to trying to acquire one.”
sarahs mum said:
so uh what’s the story here are there going to be some new sexual assault arrests happening shortly
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
so uh what’s the story here are there going to be some new sexual assault arrests happening shortly
the story seems to be that there are no standards in broadcasting anymore.
when is the next fed election likely date?
sarahs mum said:
when is the next fed election likely date?
I wouldn’t be surprised if it is 26 April or something like that.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:sarahs mum said:
so uh what’s the story here are there going to be some new sexual assault arrests happening shortly
the story seems to be that there are no standards in broadcasting anymore.
In Sydney at least although this year K&JO have started broadcasting to Melbourne a well.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
when is the next fed election likely date?
I wouldn’t be surprised if it is 26 April or something like that.
that will set the goldfield nazis off.
hey hey we’re young enough to remember when yousr Australian governments were gushing about more coal or oil or steel or steal or corruption or something mines (yousrs) being built for these fella
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-21/gautam-adani-indicted-in-new-york/104628238
brilliant just brilliant
nice
SCIENCE said:
brilliant just brilliant
nice
LOL fuck
Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor has accused the government of “raiding Australia’s nest egg” to cover for its economic failures. He came out swinging this morning against Treasurer Jim Chalmers’ decision to direct the Future Fund to prioritise investment in housing and renewable energy. Taylor says he’ll overturn it if the Coalition is elected. “This is absolutely the wrong direction for the Future Fund,” he says.
what a genius
renewables is the wrong direction for the future
fuck
The government’s onto those pesky kids, chatting on the internet and everything.
Peak Warming Man said:
The government’s onto those pesky kids, chatting on the internet and everything.
Not sure whom the ALP is trying to appeal to with this.
Expect a big bolus of young Lib voters coming through in 2027.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The government’s onto those pesky kids, chatting on the internet and everything.
Not sure whom the ALP is trying to appeal to with this.
Expect a big bolus of young Lib voters coming through in 2027.
I don’t think young lib voters will approve of it, maybe old lib voters will.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The government’s onto those pesky kids, chatting on the internet and everything.
Not sure whom the ALP is trying to appeal to with this.
Expect a big bolus of young Lib voters coming through in 2027.
I don’t think young lib voters will approve of it, maybe old lib voters will.
Sorry, I miss read you.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The government’s onto those pesky kids, chatting on the internet and everything.
Not sure whom the ALP is trying to appeal to with this.
Expect a big bolus of young Lib voters coming through in 2027.
I don’t think young lib voters will approve of it, maybe old lib voters will.
That’s what I am saying.
Infamous billionaire, Gautam Adani, was yesterday indicted by prosecutors from the Department of Justice in the USA on charges alleging bribery and deception.
The indictment says that Adani and associates were charged with ‘conspiracies to commit securities and wire fraud and substantive securities fraud for their roles in a multi-billion-dollar scheme to obtain funds from U.S. investors and global financial institutions on the basis of false and misleading statements’.
Geoff Law, the coordinator of AdaniWatch for the Bob Brown Foundation, called on Australian PM Anthony Albanese to bring about an investigation by Australian authorities into allegations concerning the Adani Group’s business dealings in Australia. These include the controversial Carmichael coal mine in Queensland, the subject of intense protests between 2016 and 2019, and the North Queensland Export Terminal at Abbot Point.
Mr Law said the Adani Group’s ‘opaque web of companies and trusts’, revealed by the ABC in 2017 should be investigated. This complex web includes entities in tax-haven countries such as the British Virgin Islands, which experts say might enable Adani companies in Australia to minimise the tax they pay. The role of Gautam Adani’s older brother, Vinod Adani, in entities with financial dealings with the Adani Group’s Australian businesses should also be probed. Entities allegedly controlled by Vinod Adani have been central to the explosive Hindenburg Research report of January 2023 and other reports in the international finance media.
‘PM Albanese should ensure that the age of impunity for oligarchs that prevails in other countries should not apply in Australia,’ Mr Law said.
https://bobbrown.org.au/albanese-called-upon-to-investigate-adanis-dealings-in-australia-following-usa-indictmen
ooooh communism soon
Tasmanian National Disability Insurance Scheme recipient Adam Quarrell lives with a degenerative disease and relies on a urinary catheter.
During his most recent plan review six months ago, he was asked to justify his use of catheters.
“I was asked by this planner, can’t you just hold it in? Now, so for a moment, I thought she was joking,” he tells ABC Hobart Breakfast’s Jo Spargo.
“We have given the NDIS two letters from my continence nurse here at the Royal Hobart Hospital, who I see regularly. I have a urologist. I’m not inserting catheters for fun, mate. Yeah? It’s to keep me alive.”
Mr Quarrell has been asking for a review of his plan for six months, but says the NDIS funding for his catheters has now run out.
“Being a participant on the NDIS is like being in an abusive relationship,” he says.
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/hobart-breakfast/ndis-tasmania-adam-quarrell-catheter/104628484
sarahs mum said:
Tasmanian National Disability Insurance Scheme recipient Adam Quarrell lives with a degenerative disease and relies on a urinary catheter.
During his most recent plan review six months ago, he was asked to justify his use of catheters.
“I was asked by this planner, can’t you just hold it in? Now, so for a moment, I thought she was joking,” he tells ABC Hobart Breakfast’s Jo Spargo.
“We have given the NDIS two letters from my continence nurse here at the Royal Hobart Hospital, who I see regularly. I have a urologist. I’m not inserting catheters for fun, mate. Yeah? It’s to keep me alive.”
Mr Quarrell has been asking for a review of his plan for six months, but says the NDIS funding for his catheters has now run out.
“Being a participant on the NDIS is like being in an abusive relationship,” he says.
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/hobart-breakfast/ndis-tasmania-adam-quarrell-catheter/104628484
Yeah, who even needs to wee-wee? Weak-willed losers, that’s who.
Imagine a cuntry where lying about service gets you booted from holding office, but then imagine a different cuntry where multiple sexual assault gets you into office¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-21/qld-townsville-mayor-troy-thompson-suspended/104632436
sarahs mum said:
does it cover email as well
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Any Paypal users here experiencing problems? I can’t log in and a Google search brings up rumours that Paypal is currently down worldwide.
Seems it’s real, according to BBC:
PayPal down for customers worldwide as thousands report issues
Payment app PayPal is encountering issues worldwide, it has confirmed.
It said in a post on its service status page it was experiencing “a system issue” that may be affecting multiple PayPal Products – including account withdrawal and express checkout.
“Our technical teams are actively working towards resolving the issue,” it adds.
Thousands of customers globally have reported being unable to log in to their accounts or experiencing problems making payments.
Platform outage monitor Downdetector had received more than seven thousand reports from users as of 12:12 GMT.
So remember how just recently people were wondering why the bastard communist Australian government were going to force businesses to accept cold hard cash, and there was speculation that it would keep things running if there was some massive crashack¿
oh
The power of advertising and politics.
The John Laws interview when Alan Jones said Juliar’s father died of shame.
I wonder how dipshit incarnate, Kelly, thinks this has aged.
21 November 2024
Government responses ‘inadequate’: Inquiry report demands action on ramping
Ambulances ramped at the Launceston General Hospital. Picture by Paul Scambler
Ambulances ramped at the Launceston General Hospital. Picture by Paul Scambler
A parliamentary inquiry report into ambulance ramping in Tasmania has found government responses to it have been inadequate, and a significant expansion to resources and capacity within state hospitals are needed to deal with it.
The report was the result of an inquiry established last year after a number of deaths of patients waiting to be cared for in emergency departments, and a growing number of hospital staff leaving the health profession due to burnout.
Zayn Malik, Harry Styles, Niall Horan, and Louis Tomlinson joined Payne’s girlfriend Kate Cassidy, and parents Geoff and Karen, to remember the life of the former singer.
The inquiry last year heard that the number of patients ramped on admission to Tasmania’s hospitals has grown from 3800 to over 21,000 people a year from between 2015-16 and 2022-23.
The committee received information that Tasmanians spent 36,700 hours ramped in 2022-23.
That figure was 2300 hours in 2015-16.
The report has made 101 findings and 35 recommendations.
The committee found ambulance ramping was caused by access block, due to insufficient hospital capacity, inadequate staffing, inefficiencies in patient flow, and inability to discharge patients in a timely way.
“The rapid increase in ambulance ramping has resulted in higher risks and more frequent adverse outcomes – including death – for patients,” the report read.
“Healthcare staff, especially paramedics and emergency department staff, are suffering significant negative impacts on their mental health and wellbeing due to ambulance ramping.
“The state government’s response to the causes and effects of ambulance ramping has been inadequate.”
It further stated that the government’s approach to ambulance ramping data collection and reporting had been deficient.
The committee recommended a significant increase in resourcing in the Tasmanian health system to address ambulance ramping.
“Plans to expand hospital capacity must be brought forward to ensure projected need is met,” the committee recommended.
“Short staffing across the health system must be urgently addressed to mitigate the causes and effects of ambulance ramping.”
The inquiry was established through a motion moved by the Greens in parliament.
Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff said the government’s failures to solve the problem were exposed by multiple revelations from patients, families, health staff, unions, and experts.
“The inquiry heard harrowing stories and distressing evidence of the significant problems in the health system,” she said.
“However, we also heard numerous solutions, and a resounding message that positive change in health is possible.”
Health Minister Jacquie Petrusma said the government’s policy to cap the amount of time patients spent on the ramp in hospitals had reduced ramping hours in 2023-24 by 9300 hours.
“We committed to reducing transfer of care delays at our major hospitals, and our plan is working,” she said.
“While there will be fluctuations day to day, week to week, we will continue to take a measured approach as we continue on our way to the national best-practice benchmark of 30 minutes.”
Labor’s health spokeswoman Ella Haddad said the Liberals promise to ban ambulance ramping has completely failed.
“Theyve just moved the problem from ramps into the emergency departments hallways, placing unprecedented pressure on nurses and hospital staff,” she said.
Its clear that ambulance ramping cant be fixed by glib three-word political slogans.
“If the Liberals had bothered to engage respectfully with health workers, to provide genuine solutions across the health system, they would not be in the hole theyve dug for themselves.
-advocate.
sarahs mum said:
21 November 2024
Government responses ‘inadequate’: Inquiry report demands action on ramping
Ambulances ramped at the Launceston General Hospital. Picture by Paul Scambler
Ambulances ramped at the Launceston General Hospital. Picture by Paul Scambler
A parliamentary inquiry report into ambulance ramping in Tasmania has found government responses to it have been inadequate, and a significant expansion to resources and capacity within state hospitals are needed to deal with it.
The report was the result of an inquiry established last year after a number of deaths of patients waiting to be cared for in emergency departments, and a growing number of hospital staff leaving the health profession due to burnout.
Zayn Malik, Harry Styles, Niall Horan, and Louis Tomlinson joined Payne’s girlfriend Kate Cassidy, and parents Geoff and Karen, to remember the life of the former singer.
The inquiry last year heard that the number of patients ramped on admission to Tasmania’s hospitals has grown from 3800 to over 21,000 people a year from between 2015-16 and 2022-23.
The committee received information that Tasmanians spent 36,700 hours ramped in 2022-23.
That figure was 2300 hours in 2015-16.
The report has made 101 findings and 35 recommendations.
The committee found ambulance ramping was caused by access block, due to insufficient hospital capacity, inadequate staffing, inefficiencies in patient flow, and inability to discharge patients in a timely way.
“The rapid increase in ambulance ramping has resulted in higher risks and more frequent adverse outcomes – including death – for patients,” the report read.
“Healthcare staff, especially paramedics and emergency department staff, are suffering significant negative impacts on their mental health and wellbeing due to ambulance ramping.
“The state government’s response to the causes and effects of ambulance ramping has been inadequate.”
It further stated that the government’s approach to ambulance ramping data collection and reporting had been deficient.
The committee recommended a significant increase in resourcing in the Tasmanian health system to address ambulance ramping.
“Plans to expand hospital capacity must be brought forward to ensure projected need is met,” the committee recommended.
“Short staffing across the health system must be urgently addressed to mitigate the causes and effects of ambulance ramping.”
The inquiry was established through a motion moved by the Greens in parliament.
Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff said the government’s failures to solve the problem were exposed by multiple revelations from patients, families, health staff, unions, and experts.
“The inquiry heard harrowing stories and distressing evidence of the significant problems in the health system,” she said.
“However, we also heard numerous solutions, and a resounding message that positive change in health is possible.”
Health Minister Jacquie Petrusma said the government’s policy to cap the amount of time patients spent on the ramp in hospitals had reduced ramping hours in 2023-24 by 9300 hours.
“We committed to reducing transfer of care delays at our major hospitals, and our plan is working,” she said.
“While there will be fluctuations day to day, week to week, we will continue to take a measured approach as we continue on our way to the national best-practice benchmark of 30 minutes.”
Labor’s health spokeswoman Ella Haddad said the Liberals promise to ban ambulance ramping has completely failed.
“Theyve just moved the problem from ramps into the emergency departments hallways, placing unprecedented pressure on nurses and hospital staff,” she said.
Its clear that ambulance ramping cant be fixed by glib three-word political slogans.
“If the Liberals had bothered to engage respectfully with health workers, to provide genuine solutions across the health system, they would not be in the hole theyve dug for themselves.-advocate.
“Our plan is working”
Aye, they planned to do SFA and that’s the outcome.
We knew it¡ That Forum poster has been all over the Australian political landscape¡
SCIENCE said:
We knew it¡ That Forum poster has been all over the Australian political landscape¡
More about “the mess that we inherit from this government.”
Than what we will do to improve life for Australians.
SCIENCE said:
We knew it¡ That Forum poster has been all over the Australian political landscape¡
Ha!
Nice read, and fun to play about with some new punctuation.
We know diddly squat! About the Coalition’s policies…..
ruby said:
SCIENCE said:We knew it¡ That Forum poster has been all over the Australian political landscape¡
Ha!
Nice read, and fun to play about with some new punctuation.
We know diddly squat! About the Coalition’s policies…..
Succintly put.
We are now just a week from the end of parliamentary sittings for the year. All week, Parliament House has been operating with a freneticism which reflects the widespread perception that parliament will not return next year, either for its scheduled fortnight of February sittings, or for the proposed early budget on March 25.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-23/one-week-parliamentary-sittings-government-outgunned/104634590
sarahs mum said:
0:00
The Australien Government wishes to formally congratulate President Trump on his election win
0:05
We’re sorry we called you “nuts”, “village idiot”, “traitor to the west”
0:09
and said you “scare the shit out of us” just the other day
0:12
but we promise to make it up to you by letting you dump nuclear waste
0:15
and build more spy bases here
0:16
Whatever you do, please keep Kevin
0:18
we don’t want him back here either
0:20
AUKEV TREATY!
0:21
But our main message today is for Australia
0:24
We’re about to have our own election
0:26
And we want to assure you that, here at the Labor Party
0:29
we’ve learned the key lesson from the US election
0:32
Which is that if you side with corporate profits and billionaires
0:35
instead of workers, renters and folks struggling to put food on the table
0:39
those folks will elect the guy who says he’ll help them
0:42
even though he also sides with corporate profits and billionaires
0:45
So if we want to stop this malignant tuber from winning our election
0:48
and implementing Project Gina
0:50
we must show we stand with you in this cost of corporate-greed crisis
0:54
We could start today by breaking up this price-gouging monopoly
0:58
By making childcare free
0:59
And by wiping out all student debt, not just 20% if you re-elect us
1:04
And to show renters we have your back, we could announce
1:06
a once in a generation investment in public housing
1:09
And it would still cost less than Dutto’s nuclear plan
1:12
which’ll take two decades to not lower your bills
1:15
And we could pay for all that by making these guys pay their fair share of tax
1:20
By ending our billions in subsidies to them
1:22
And by scrapping this bullshit sub deal
1:24
with a country whose outgoing leader can’t remember our name
1:27
and the new one scares the shit out of…
1:29
I mean, is awesome
1:30
Everybody says so
1:31
So we know what to do, and we know how to pay for it. So are we gonna do it?
1:35
Yeahnaaah
1:37
Coz we’re so far up the arse of gas companies and gambling lobbies
1:40
we couldn’t dislodge ourselves even if we tried
1:43
And neither can the malignant tuber
1:45
But here’s the thing, Australia
1:47
unlike these poor bastards, you don’t have to choose between red and blue
1:50
Because we have something America doesn’t
1:53
Preferential Voting
1:54
Preferential Voting allows you to tell the two-party system to fuck off
1:58
Coz unlike Americans, who were forced to choose between Shit or Shit-Lite
2:02
preferential voting lets you vote for a Not-Shit candidate
2:05
one who does stand with you instead of Coles, Coal and Qantas
2:09
All you need to do is put them first on your ballot, before the major parties
2:13
Safe in the knowledge that even if they don’t win, your Shittier choices will still be counted
2:18
Which is why in Australia, it’s impossible to waste your vote
2:21
So you don’t need to vote like an American
2:24
(Australia! Don’t become America!)
2:27
We’re helping Australia become America,
2:29
by introducing laws that entrench the two-party system
2:32
and make it harder for new Not-Shit Candidates to compete with us
2:36
And we’ll try to scare you away from Not-Shit candidates, by telling you things like
2:40
“you’re wasting your vote”
2:42
and
2:42
“you’re helping the Shit Party win!”
2:44
and
2:44
“Minority Governments cause CHAOS”
2:47
But that’s just to distract from the fact that the more Not-Shit MPs you vote to the crossbench
2:52
the more we have to listen to YOU instead of Santos, Rupert and Gina
2:56
And maybe that’s just what we need here at the Australien Government,
2:59
where it’s Trump and mining companies that scare the shit out of us
3:03
not workers, renters and young people
3:05
But with preferential voting you can embrace the MAGA movement at this election
3:10
and Make Australia’s Government Afraid Again
3:14
Australien Government
3:18
Authorised by the Department for Counting on Australians not understanding Preferential Voting
3:22
PS. You’ll find a link in the video description with a list of Not-Shit candidates
3:27
Do not click it
https://linktr.ee/notshitcandidates
https://www.communityindependentsproject.org/ci-mps-candidates
sarahs mum said:
We are now just a week from the end of parliamentary sittings for the year. All week, Parliament House has been operating with a freneticism which reflects the widespread perception that parliament will not return next year, either for its scheduled fortnight of February sittings, or for the proposed early budget on March 25.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-23/one-week-parliamentary-sittings-government-outgunned/104634590
They are trying to rush through new social media laws, and new laws on political advertising and donations. The latter seems like a good idea, but does favour the established main parties quite heavily against new entrants or independents – so it will probably pass with little scrutiny.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
We are now just a week from the end of parliamentary sittings for the year. All week, Parliament House has been operating with a freneticism which reflects the widespread perception that parliament will not return next year, either for its scheduled fortnight of February sittings, or for the proposed early budget on March 25.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-23/one-week-parliamentary-sittings-government-outgunned/104634590
They are trying to rush through new social media laws, and new laws on political advertising and donations. The latter seems like a good idea, but does favour the established main parties quite heavily against new entrants or independents – so it will probably pass with little scrutiny.
Premier says access to MP’s emails is the Integrity Commission’s problem
David Killick
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockliff answers questions in parliament on Tuesday 19th November 2024. Picture: Linda Higginson
Removing a roadblock stopping access to the emails of MPs under investigation for misconduct is a problem for the Integrity Commission to solve with the parliament, Premier Jeremy Rockliff says.
A major investigation is being held up because the Commission can’t access MPs’ emails — which are protected by parliamentary privilege.
Mr Rockliff’s response came after he was asked by the Greens if he would order any Liberal MPs under investigation to release their emails to the Commission.
“I expect MPs to comply with the law,” he said adding that the problem was one for the Integrity Commission to solve.
“A parliamentary protocol is a matter for the Commission to continue to explore with parliament.
“Creating a protocol requires the leadership and negotiation of the Integrity Commission as an independent statutory body, the clerks of each House of parliament, the Speaker of the House of Assembly and the President of the Legislative Council.”
The Commission has two long-running investigations ongoing into state MPs, both dating back to 2022.
Investigation Loyetea is examining “a number of allegations that an elected representative failed to declare and manage a conflict of interest”.
Investigation Olegas is looking into claims that a grants program improperly used public funds to pursue electoral goals and that conflicts of interest were not properly declared.
The state government has shelled out more than $200,000 so far this year to cover legal costs run up by a minister or ministers — but won’t say who or what for.
Integrity Commission chief Greg Melick SC says the Commission is having “significant problems” negotiating a protocol to investigate MPs and their staff.
“It makes it almost impossible to investigate a member of parliament or member of parliamentary staff unless they fully comply and consent rather than being compelled,” he told a parliamentary committee recently.
“It’s not a desirable situation. The public is entitled to know that members of parliament and parliamentary staff are subject to the same requirements as other members of the public service.”
Greens Democracy and Integrity Spokeswoman Cassy O’Connor said Mr Rockliff could help the Commission out.
“Jeremy Rockliff said he would lead a government of integrity, but he’s failed the most basic test of that commitment,” she said.
“Right now, MPs can indefinitely stall an Integrity Commission investigation simply by refusing to co-operate.
“Co-operating with the Integrity Commission investigations should be a basic requirement that the Premier expects from the members of his party.
“Disturbingly, it seems he doesn’t care.”
david.killick@news.com.au
Tell me that there’s an election coming, without telling me that there’s an election coming:
captain_spalding said:
Tell me that there’s an election coming, without telling me that there’s an election coming:
wait so banning children was easier than banning malicious activity cool
Coalition to throw Australia’s support behind Israel in campaign pledges
By Paul Sakkal
November 24, 2024 — 4.22am
A Peter Dutton-led government would deport non-citizens who voice rhetorical support for terror groups and demand the Australian Broadcasting Corporation avoid bias on Israel, according to a keynote speech home affairs spokesman James Paterson will deliver outlining the Coalition’s pledges.
Portraying the bloody war in Gaza and Lebanon as a battle for democracy, Paterson will say Australian Jews were being held responsible for “difficult choices” Israel was forced to make in its fight against terror groups supported by Iran.
Paterson will say that a Coalition government will strengthen the laws used by police to lay charges on incitement and displaying terror symbols if they prove too difficult to enforce.
“I am deeply troubled by the number of Jews who have told me they are contemplating moving to Israel because they think they may feel safer in a country under attack from three terrorist organisations and a genocidal nation state than they do in Melbourne or Sydney,” he will say in a speech to the Executive Council of the Australian Jewry’s annual general meeting in Melbourne on Sunday. “But I understand it.”
The Coalition has sought to tie community unrest in Australia over Gaza to Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s actions, portraying him as soft on antisemitism as Labor has gradually shifted support away from Israel through key United Nations votes and actions such as blocking the visa of a former Israeli minister, Ayelet Shaked, on character grounds.
The opposition has refrained from criticising Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu’s military campaign even as the United Nations, European Union and International Criminal Court condemn his actions, marking the Coalition as one of the most pro-Israel centre-right parties in the Western world.
Israel launched its assault on Gaza after Hamas-led terrorists stormed across the border, killed 1200 people and seized more than 250 hostages on October 7, 2023. Since then, the Israeli attack has killed nearly 44,000 Palestinians in Gaza, much of which has been laid to waste.
On Friday, the Coalition released a statement saying Australia should reject the ICC’s decision to issue arrest warrants for Netanyahu and his former defence minister Yoav Gallant and Hamas leader Mohammed Deif.
As a signatory to the agreement recognising the court, Foreign Minister Penny Wong said on Friday Australia respected the court’s independence but did not endorse or oppose its decision or say what the government would do if any of the men set foot here.
Paterson is incredulous about Australia’s decision to deny entry to Shaked, a former minister for justice who made headlines last year calling for all Gazans to be deported and the southern city of Khan Younis turned into a soccer field.
Israel’s foreign ministry on Friday night posted a statement describing the decision as “deeply offensive”.
“We will not – and I can’t believe I need to say this – ban former Israeli ministers from centrist governments from visiting Australia,” Paterson will say, according to a version of the speech provided to this masthead.
“Nor would we – and again I can’t believe this needs to be said – arrest the democratically elected head of a friendly government for the crime of defending his country. We will never abandon our ally in international forums like the United Nations.”
Paterson singled out protests on campus and reporting on public broadcasters as a focus for any future Coalition government.
“We will not allow antisemitism to fester on campus unchecked. We will not allow our taxpayer-funded arts and cultural institutions to be hijacked. We will make clear we expect accurate and impartial reporting from our publicly funded broadcasters,” Paterson will say in the speech.
“We will do this not only for the Jewish community but for our country. Because a country that is not safe for Jews is not safe for anyone.”
Labor had equivocated on the antisemitism outbreak, Paterson will argue, by “always” mentioning Islamophobia in the same breath as antisemitism.
“There is no other form of racism we treat like this. If there is an instance of racism against Indigenous Australians, for example, no political leader says, ‘I condemn anti-Indigenous racism and anti-Asian racism.’ All forms of racism should be called out when it occurs,” he said.
In the six months from October 1, 2023 to March 31, 2024 figures from the Executive Council of Australian Jewry show there was a 427 per cent increase in the number of anti-Jewish incidents from the same period the year before.
Reports to the Islamophobia Register Australia had risen by 1300 per cent compared with the same period the year before.
Signalling there could be Coalition funding cuts to the UN agency responsible for aid for Palestinians, Paterson said no money would be given to agencies employing terrorists.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-to-throw-australia-s-support-behind-israel-in-campaign-pledges-20241123-p5kszs.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Coalition to throw Australia’s support behind Israel in campaign pledgesBy Paul Sakkal
November 24, 2024 — 4.22amA Peter Dutton-led government would deport non-citizens who voice rhetorical support for terror groups and demand the Australian Broadcasting Corporation avoid bias on Israel, according to a keynote speech home affairs spokesman James Paterson will deliver outlining the Coalition’s pledges.
Portraying the bloody war in Gaza and Lebanon as a battle for democracy, Paterson will say Australian Jews were being held responsible for “difficult choices” Israel was forced to make in its fight against terror groups supported by Iran.
Paterson will say that a Coalition government will strengthen the laws used by police to lay charges on incitement and displaying terror symbols if they prove too difficult to enforce.
“I am deeply troubled by the number of Jews who have told me they are contemplating moving to Israel because they think they may feel safer in a country under attack from three terrorist organisations and a genocidal nation state than they do in Melbourne or Sydney,” he will say in a speech to the Executive Council of the Australian Jewry’s annual general meeting in Melbourne on Sunday. “But I understand it.”
The Coalition has sought to tie community unrest in Australia over Gaza to Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s actions, portraying him as soft on antisemitism as Labor has gradually shifted support away from Israel through key United Nations votes and actions such as blocking the visa of a former Israeli minister, Ayelet Shaked, on character grounds.
The opposition has refrained from criticising Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu’s military campaign even as the United Nations, European Union and International Criminal Court condemn his actions, marking the Coalition as one of the most pro-Israel centre-right parties in the Western world.
Israel launched its assault on Gaza after Hamas-led terrorists stormed across the border, killed 1200 people and seized more than 250 hostages on October 7, 2023. Since then, the Israeli attack has killed nearly 44,000 Palestinians in Gaza, much of which has been laid to waste.
On Friday, the Coalition released a statement saying Australia should reject the ICC’s decision to issue arrest warrants for Netanyahu and his former defence minister Yoav Gallant and Hamas leader Mohammed Deif.
As a signatory to the agreement recognising the court, Foreign Minister Penny Wong said on Friday Australia respected the court’s independence but did not endorse or oppose its decision or say what the government would do if any of the men set foot here.
Paterson is incredulous about Australia’s decision to deny entry to Shaked, a former minister for justice who made headlines last year calling for all Gazans to be deported and the southern city of Khan Younis turned into a soccer field.
Israel’s foreign ministry on Friday night posted a statement describing the decision as “deeply offensive”.
“We will not – and I can’t believe I need to say this – ban former Israeli ministers from centrist governments from visiting Australia,” Paterson will say, according to a version of the speech provided to this masthead.
“Nor would we – and again I can’t believe this needs to be said – arrest the democratically elected head of a friendly government for the crime of defending his country. We will never abandon our ally in international forums like the United Nations.”
Paterson singled out protests on campus and reporting on public broadcasters as a focus for any future Coalition government.
“We will not allow antisemitism to fester on campus unchecked. We will not allow our taxpayer-funded arts and cultural institutions to be hijacked. We will make clear we expect accurate and impartial reporting from our publicly funded broadcasters,” Paterson will say in the speech.
“We will do this not only for the Jewish community but for our country. Because a country that is not safe for Jews is not safe for anyone.”
Labor had equivocated on the antisemitism outbreak, Paterson will argue, by “always” mentioning Islamophobia in the same breath as antisemitism.
“There is no other form of racism we treat like this. If there is an instance of racism against Indigenous Australians, for example, no political leader says, ‘I condemn anti-Indigenous racism and anti-Asian racism.’ All forms of racism should be called out when it occurs,” he said.
In the six months from October 1, 2023 to March 31, 2024 figures from the Executive Council of Australian Jewry show there was a 427 per cent increase in the number of anti-Jewish incidents from the same period the year before.
Reports to the Islamophobia Register Australia had risen by 1300 per cent compared with the same period the year before.
Signalling there could be Coalition funding cuts to the UN agency responsible for aid for Palestinians, Paterson said no money would be given to agencies employing terrorists.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-to-throw-australia-s-support-behind-israel-in-campaign-pledges-20241123-p5kszs.html
nnnn.
And it’s probably just about winning Macnamara and Wentworth.
I do not support Israel. Luckily the tumourous tuber cannot deport me.
Witty Rejoinder said:
And it’s probably just about winning Macnamara and Wentworth.
It does have Murdoch’s support.
Housing support to help first home buyers to purchase a property will be sent to a vote this week without a deal, meaning it will be shot down unless the Greens or Coalition change their stance.
The latest offer by the Greens to strike a deal has been rejected, though the government had consulted to see whether it could be agreed to as time runs out for legislation to be passed.
The federal government will now call the bluff of the parties, who if they reject the bill will face campaigning at the federal election that they refused housing support.
As the final sitting week of the year closes in — potentially the last before the election — the government is applying pressure to clear its backlog.
“It’s time for this silly charade to end. Australians are in real housing distress here, and the Greens need to stop working with Peter Dutton to delay action,” Housing Minister Clare O’Neil told the ABC.
“The Greens have been playing politics on this for two years now, almost everything the Labor government has tried to do on housing the Greens have either blocked or delayed, or played politics with. The time for that is over.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-25/help-buy-build-rent-housing-vote-no-deal/104640878
dv said:
Housing support to help first home buyers to purchase a property will be sent to a vote this week without a deal, meaning it will be shot down unless the Greens or Coalition change their stance.The latest offer by the Greens to strike a deal has been rejected, though the government had consulted to see whether it could be agreed to as time runs out for legislation to be passed.
The federal government will now call the bluff of the parties, who if they reject the bill will face campaigning at the federal election that they refused housing support.
As the final sitting week of the year closes in — potentially the last before the election — the government is applying pressure to clear its backlog.
“It’s time for this silly charade to end. Australians are in real housing distress here, and the Greens need to stop working with Peter Dutton to delay action,” Housing Minister Clare O’Neil told the ABC.
“The Greens have been playing politics on this for two years now, almost everything the Labor government has tried to do on housing the Greens have either blocked or delayed, or played politics with. The time for that is over.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-25/help-buy-build-rent-housing-vote-no-deal/104640878
So, it hasn’t worked out entirely to the disadvantage of Labor, either.
Rather than put the initiatives to a no-deal vote at some earlier time, Labor can now take that step, with the (serendipitous?) effect that, if it passes, all credit redounds to the ALP (with a nod to the Greens, maybe), and, if it fails, all blame is on the L/NP and the Greens.
And not too far out from an election.
dv said:
Housing support to help first home buyers to purchase a property will be sent to a vote this week without a deal, meaning it will be shot down unless the Greens or Coalition change their stance.The latest offer by the Greens to strike a deal has been rejected, though the government had consulted to see whether it could be agreed to as time runs out for legislation to be passed.
The federal government will now call the bluff of the parties, who if they reject the bill will face campaigning at the federal election that they refused housing support.
As the final sitting week of the year closes in — potentially the last before the election — the government is applying pressure to clear its backlog.
“It’s time for this silly charade to end. Australians are in real housing distress here, and the Greens need to stop working with Peter Dutton to delay action,” Housing Minister Clare O’Neil told the ABC.
“The Greens have been playing politics on this for two years now, almost everything the Labor government has tried to do on housing the Greens have either blocked or delayed, or played politics with. The time for that is over.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-25/help-buy-build-rent-housing-vote-no-deal/104640878
the Green shit me to tears.. they seriously have no interest in governance and only want to be a party of outrage and protest
diddly-squat said:
the Green shit me to tears.. they seriously have no interest in governance and only want to be a party of outrage and protest
They like the attention. Seeing their names in the paper.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:the Green shit me to tears.. they seriously have no interest in governance and only want to be a party of outrage and protest
They like the attention. Seeing their names in the paper.
I remember when they stopped making the bastards honest.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:the Green shit me to tears.. they seriously have no interest in governance and only want to be a party of outrage and protest
They like the attention. Seeing their names in the paper.
I remember when they stopped making the bastards honest.
That was the Australian Democrats, was it not?
The party that was founded only because, prior to one election, Don Chipp forgot (until it was too late) to nominate for selection for the seat held, and the Liberal party machine decided that if Don hadn’t nominated, well, they didn’t mind and they weren’t about to remind him.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:the Green shit me to tears.. they seriously have no interest in governance and only want to be a party of outrage and protest
They like the attention. Seeing their names in the paper.
I remember when they stopped making the bastards honest.
I met Natasha Stott Despoja last month – I think she would take exception to that particular choice of words
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:They like the attention. Seeing their names in the paper.
I remember when they stopped making the bastards honest.
That was the Australian Democrats, was it not?
The party that was founded only because, prior to one election, Don Chipp forgot (until it was too late) to nominate for selection for the seat held, and the Liberal party machine decided that if Don hadn’t nominated, well, they didn’t mind and they weren’t about to remind him.
I was thinking of a later iteration.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
the Green shit me to tears.. they seriously have no interest in governance and only want to be a party of outrage and protest
They like the attention. Seeing their names in the paper.
so basically they’ve become a mainstream party and we(0,0,1) should all vote independent
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
I remember when they stopped making the bastards honest.
That was the Australian Democrats, was it not?
The party that was founded only because, prior to one election, Don Chipp forgot (until it was too late) to nominate for selection for the seat held, and the Liberal party machine decided that if Don hadn’t nominated, well, they didn’t mind and they weren’t about to remind him.
I was thinking of a later iteration.
The Teal Team
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
They like the attention. Seeing their names in the paper.
I remember when they stopped making the bastards honest.
I met Natasha Stott Despoja last month – I think she would take exception to that particular choice of words
good point it’s like when did they stop bashing their wives, they never did because they can’t stop what they didn’t ever start doing
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
I remember when they stopped making the bastards honest.
I met Natasha Stott Despoja last month – I think she would take exception to that particular choice of words
good point it’s like when did they stop bashing their wives, they never did because they can’t stop what they didn’t ever start doing
I have no idea what you are talking about
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:diddly-squat said:
I met Natasha Stott Despoja last month – I think she would take exception to that particular choice of words
good point it’s like when did they stop bashing their wives, they never did because they can’t stop what they didn’t ever start doing
I have no idea what you are talking about
Sometimes I think even he doesn’t. ;)
The Greens’ situation is very different from that held by the Dems. The latter were very much a party of the centre, which gave them more power and relevance because they could legitimately form government with either the Libs or ALP.
I’ve voted Green as a blunt instrument to pull the ALP to the left but it’s pointless if they overplay their hand and block block block. Maybe the Teals are the future.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Housing support to help first home buyers to purchase a property will be sent to a vote this week without a deal, meaning it will be shot down unless the Greens or Coalition change their stance.The latest offer by the Greens to strike a deal has been rejected, though the government had consulted to see whether it could be agreed to as time runs out for legislation to be passed.
The federal government will now call the bluff of the parties, who if they reject the bill will face campaigning at the federal election that they refused housing support.
As the final sitting week of the year closes in — potentially the last before the election — the government is applying pressure to clear its backlog.
“It’s time for this silly charade to end. Australians are in real housing distress here, and the Greens need to stop working with Peter Dutton to delay action,” Housing Minister Clare O’Neil told the ABC.
“The Greens have been playing politics on this for two years now, almost everything the Labor government has tried to do on housing the Greens have either blocked or delayed, or played politics with. The time for that is over.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-25/help-buy-build-rent-housing-vote-no-deal/104640878
the Green shit me to tears.. they seriously have no interest in governance and only want to be a party of outrage and protest
the feeling is reciprocated.
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:
good point it’s like when did they stop bashing their wives, they never did because they can’t stop what they didn’t ever start doing
I have no idea what you are talking about
Sometimes I think even he doesn’t. ;)
they say that “I remember when they stopped making the bastards honest.” and that “she would take exception to that particular choice of words” and we agree, the words can be wrong because if they never started making keeping whatever the bastards honest, then they can’t have stopped whatever keeping making the bastards honest
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
I have no idea what you are talking about
Sometimes I think even he doesn’t. ;)
they say that “I remember when they stopped making the bastards honest.” and that “she would take exception to that particular choice of words” and we agree, the words can be wrong because if they never started making keeping whatever the bastards honest, then they can’t have stopped whatever keeping making the bastards honest
Well, the bastards were never honest in the first place, so you can’t keep then in a state that they’ve never attained.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
I have no idea what you are talking about
Sometimes I think even he doesn’t. ;)
they say that “I remember when they stopped making the bastards honest.” and that “she would take exception to that particular choice of words” and we agree, the words can be wrong because if they never started making keeping whatever the bastards honest, then they can’t have stopped whatever keeping making the bastards honest
:)
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
Sometimes I think even he doesn’t. ;)
they say that “I remember when they stopped making the bastards honest.” and that “she would take exception to that particular choice of words” and we agree, the words can be wrong because if they never started making keeping whatever the bastards honest, then they can’t have stopped whatever keeping making the bastards honest
Well, the bastards were never honest in the first place, so you can’t keep then in a state that they’ve never attained.
There’s the rub.
fuck this shit
A rushed inquiry into the government’s proposed laws to ban children and young teenagers from social media has been inundated with about 15,000 submissions, despite having only been open for 24 hours. The huge response came after Elon Musk weighed into the debate, sending a social media post from Prime Minister Anthony Albanese announcing the bill into the timelines of millions of X users. The ABC understands that most submissions are variants of a template response, with 88 submissions from interest groups made public at the time of publishing.
but will they call this foreign interference
¿
oh yes let’s wait and see
doubt it
you know who else interferes lobbies in good faith when their products are blocked from juvenile access ¿ oh yeah that’s right
The Greens will “wave through” two key Labor housing bills, the Help to Buy scheme and the Build to Rent subsidy, a win for the government after a lengthy stand-off.
Housing Minister Clare O’Neil welcomed the shift but said it “did not excuse” the Greens’ lengthy delay.
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A Greens spokesperson noted the bill had not been introduced for debate in the Senate until September, and suggested the government could allocate the scheme’s 40,000 places over three years instead of four if it was concerned about the delay.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-25/greens-to-vote-for-labor-help-to-buy-bill/104644574
Craig Garland Independent for Braddon
https://fb.watch/w4hEfBSzmN/
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
sarahs mum said:
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
Fair enough, after all Labor has been running Tasmania for a long time, wait what
sarahs mum said:
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
If the AFL (or whoever) has identified a need for a stadium, and thinks that it’s such a red-hot idea, then they should go ahead and build one.
With their own money.
sarahs mum said:
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
What’s the reasoning behind blaming Albo?
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
What’s the reasoning behind blaming Albo?
Well, it couldn’t be the fault of a Liberal and/or National party government, with their unblemished record of careful use of and distribution of public funds, now could it?
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
If the AFL (or whoever) has identified a need for a stadium, and thinks that it’s such a red-hot idea, then they should go ahead and build one.
With their own money.
the AFL has the most demands and is putting in the least money.
I’m still of the opinion that the project is in the wrong place, overshadowing a lot of heritage architecture in an area of traffic bottlenecks with no real public transport infrastructure. It may look like an MCG but it ain’t gonna function like one.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
What’s the reasoning behind blaming Albo?
it’s time.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
What’s the reasoning behind blaming Albo?
Well, it couldn’t be the fault of a Liberal and/or National party government, with their unblemished record of careful use of and distribution of public funds, now could it?
:)
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
If the AFL (or whoever) has identified a need for a stadium, and thinks that it’s such a red-hot idea, then they should go ahead and build one.
With their own money.
the AFL has the most demands and is putting in the least money.
I’m still of the opinion that the project is in the wrong place, overshadowing a lot of heritage architecture in an area of traffic bottlenecks with no real public transport infrastructure. It may look like an MCG but it ain’t gonna function like one.
Oh, those sorts of things can be sorted out by other people, in the future.
They’re not the problems of the incumbent government, and certainly not those of the AFL.
More public money will fix it all.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
If the AFL (or whoever) has identified a need for a stadium, and thinks that it’s such a red-hot idea, then they should go ahead and build one.
With their own money.
the AFL has the most demands and is putting in the least money.
I’m still of the opinion that the project is in the wrong place, overshadowing a lot of heritage architecture in an area of traffic bottlenecks with no real public transport infrastructure. It may look like an MCG but it ain’t gonna function like one.
Nailed it.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
What’s the reasoning behind blaming Albo?
it’s time.
For what?
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
it’s on. Social media is out there blaming Albo for this shit.
What’s the reasoning behind blaming Albo?
Well, it couldn’t be the fault of a Liberal and/or National party government, with their unblemished record of careful use of and distribution of public funds, now could it?
although the state govt is a minority one both libs and labs approve.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:What’s the reasoning behind blaming Albo?
it’s time.
For what?
to blame albo for absolutely everything.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:it’s time.
For what?
to blame albo for absolutely everything.
If people take an unthinking attitude then Dutton will be next PM. Shudder.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:For what?
to blame albo for absolutely everything.
If people take an unthinking attitude then Dutton will be next PM. Shudder.
The Labs’ performance hasn’t been outstanding, but I would expect they will win the next election – at which point Dutton will either step down or be rolled as leader
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:For what?
to blame albo for absolutely everything.
If people take an unthinking attitude then Dutton will be next PM. Shudder.
Robert Menzies to Harold Holt: ‘You can never underestimate the intelligence of Australian voters’.
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:to blame albo for absolutely everything.
If people take an unthinking attitude then Dutton will be next PM. Shudder.
The Labs’ performance hasn’t been outstanding, but I would expect they will win the next election – at which point Dutton will either step down or be rolled as leader
the rules have changed. there will be more money thrown at Dutton’s return. and paid trolls. and bots. and angry young men.
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:If people take an unthinking attitude then Dutton will be next PM. Shudder.
The Labs’ performance hasn’t been outstanding, but I would expect they will win the next election – at which point Dutton will either step down or be rolled as leader
the rules have changed. there will be more money thrown at Dutton’s return. and paid trolls. and bots. and angry young men.
I’M NOT YOUNG.
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:If people take an unthinking attitude then Dutton will be next PM. Shudder.
The Labs’ performance hasn’t been outstanding, but I would expect they will win the next election – at which point Dutton will either step down or be rolled as leader
the rules have changed. there will be more money thrown at Dutton’s return. and paid trolls. and bots. and angry young men.
This is a threat we should arm against.
26 November 2024
Liberal Party president Michael McKenna says allegations taken “very seriously”
Sue Bailey
A member of the Liberal Party has been accused of pressuring a female member sexually in “return for their support”.
In a resignation letter marked confidential and sent by registered post to party president Michael McKenna and the Mercury, the woman said she had been too frightened to come forward with details as she feared the consequences of speaking up.
She claimed there were six occasions on which she was approached by the person in question.
“There are systemic breakdowns emanating from the party in failing to provide a safe environment for all volunteers.”
In response to questions about the letter, Mr McKenna said: “The Party takes matters such as this very seriously, and has rigorous procedures in place to manage complaints of this nature.”
The letter was also sent to Premier Jeremy Rockliff and Senator Jonathon Duniam.
It is believed both Mr Rockliff and Senator Duniam immediately sought, and received, an assurance from Mr McKenna that the matter would be fully and independently investigated.
In August Mr Rockliff wrote to Liberal Party members regarding the treatment of women in the party saying he abhors bullying and sexism and complaint-handling procedures must change.
It is believed an independent investigation was conducted but the outcome is not known.
In the letter, the woman says she understands that a report from the party’s Complaints and Dispute Resolution Committee was sent to state executive but she was not given the opportunity to respond “nor for witnesses to the alleged events being conducted for their views”.
The woman details what she says are examples of a failure to provide a safe environment including the negative treatment of women and “phone calls at all hours of the day and night including contact from one member nearing approximately 300 times since the start of this year alone”.
“As you are aware the toll it has taken on my mental and physical health has been immeasurable resulting in receiving expensive, extensive and ongoing treatment by professional specialists for my diagnosed disabilities, namely complex PTSD, deteriorating FND and PPD,” she says in the four page letter.
“I needed to spend a month at a specialised residential Trauma Recovery Clinic and out of necessity and given the circumstances, another month-long stay is currently being organised.
The woman said she had received “many accolades and messages of support” for her achievements in the Liberal Party.
susan.bailey@news.com.au
sarahs mum said:
26 November 2024
Liberal Party president Michael McKenna says allegations taken “very seriously”
Sue BaileyA member of the Liberal Party has been accused of pressuring a female member sexually in “return for their support”.
In a resignation letter marked confidential and sent by registered post to party president Michael McKenna and the Mercury, the woman said she had been too frightened to come forward with details as she feared the consequences of speaking up.She claimed there were six occasions on which she was approached by the person in question.
“There are systemic breakdowns emanating from the party in failing to provide a safe environment for all volunteers.”
In response to questions about the letter, Mr McKenna said: “The Party takes matters such as this very seriously, and has rigorous procedures in place to manage complaints of this nature.”
The letter was also sent to Premier Jeremy Rockliff and Senator Jonathon Duniam.
It is believed both Mr Rockliff and Senator Duniam immediately sought, and received, an assurance from Mr McKenna that the matter would be fully and independently investigated.
In August Mr Rockliff wrote to Liberal Party members regarding the treatment of women in the party saying he abhors bullying and sexism and complaint-handling procedures must change.
It is believed an independent investigation was conducted but the outcome is not known.
In the letter, the woman says she understands that a report from the party’s Complaints and Dispute Resolution Committee was sent to state executive but she was not given the opportunity to respond “nor for witnesses to the alleged events being conducted for their views”.
The woman details what she says are examples of a failure to provide a safe environment including the negative treatment of women and “phone calls at all hours of the day and night including contact from one member nearing approximately 300 times since the start of this year alone”.
“As you are aware the toll it has taken on my mental and physical health has been immeasurable resulting in receiving expensive, extensive and ongoing treatment by professional specialists for my diagnosed disabilities, namely complex PTSD, deteriorating FND and PPD,” she says in the four page letter.
“I needed to spend a month at a specialised residential Trauma Recovery Clinic and out of necessity and given the circumstances, another month-long stay is currently being organised.
The woman said she had received “many accolades and messages of support” for her achievements in the Liberal Party.
susan.bailey@news.com.au
hey the last time it happened in the Big News the fella got some nice cocaine and prostitutes didn’t they
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
26 November 2024
Liberal Party president Michael McKenna says allegations taken “very seriously”
Sue BaileyA member of the Liberal Party has been accused of pressuring a female member sexually in “return for their support”.
In a resignation letter marked confidential and sent by registered post to party president Michael McKenna and the Mercury, the woman said she had been too frightened to come forward with details as she feared the consequences of speaking up.She claimed there were six occasions on which she was approached by the person in question.
“There are systemic breakdowns emanating from the party in failing to provide a safe environment for all volunteers.”
In response to questions about the letter, Mr McKenna said: “The Party takes matters such as this very seriously, and has rigorous procedures in place to manage complaints of this nature.”
The letter was also sent to Premier Jeremy Rockliff and Senator Jonathon Duniam.
It is believed both Mr Rockliff and Senator Duniam immediately sought, and received, an assurance from Mr McKenna that the matter would be fully and independently investigated.
In August Mr Rockliff wrote to Liberal Party members regarding the treatment of women in the party saying he abhors bullying and sexism and complaint-handling procedures must change.
It is believed an independent investigation was conducted but the outcome is not known.
In the letter, the woman says she understands that a report from the party’s Complaints and Dispute Resolution Committee was sent to state executive but she was not given the opportunity to respond “nor for witnesses to the alleged events being conducted for their views”.
The woman details what she says are examples of a failure to provide a safe environment including the negative treatment of women and “phone calls at all hours of the day and night including contact from one member nearing approximately 300 times since the start of this year alone”.
“As you are aware the toll it has taken on my mental and physical health has been immeasurable resulting in receiving expensive, extensive and ongoing treatment by professional specialists for my diagnosed disabilities, namely complex PTSD, deteriorating FND and PPD,” she says in the four page letter.
“I needed to spend a month at a specialised residential Trauma Recovery Clinic and out of necessity and given the circumstances, another month-long stay is currently being organised.
The woman said she had received “many accolades and messages of support” for her achievements in the Liberal Party.
susan.bailey@news.com.au
hey the last time it happened in the Big News the fella got some nice cocaine and prostitutes didn’t they
Probably get a boat and can sing songs about being on his boat muthafuckers
These must be confusing times, incidentally, for Senator Antic, another of whose major fears is children being exposed to sex education in the public system. “If a stranger approached your child in the street to tell them about safe sex, abortion, and pornography, you would call the police,” he told the Senate in 2022. “Yet the neo-Marxists in our school systems are determined to proffer these adult concepts and impose their world view onto our children!” Senator Antic would vote in a second to ban that stuff. But social media — where 60 per cent of young people encounter actual porn, according to the eSafety Commission, the majority by age 13 … now that’s complicated. The senator will cross the floor to oppose the ban.
Paying other countries to take people awaiting deportation is one of a suite of new federal powers expected to pass the parliament this week. The measure is among the latest efforts to force the removal of non-citizens whose home countries will not accept them, or who are otherwise resisting deportation, after the High Court determined the government could not detain people in that circumstance.
wait what do yous
“Our systems are built to maintain white privilege,” the report said. “Those who are white can successfully navigate, access, and lead systems and institutions without having to shed their language, culture, religion, and other parts of themselves.”
mean, we thought there was separation of state and religion, but are yous saying that white privilege religion is embedded in our systems and institutions
so woes, so woke, so lies, so like
Three federal polls out today.
Morgan has ALP ahead 51-49
Yougov has it at 50-50
DemosAU has it at 50-50
dv said:
Three federal polls out today.
Morgan has ALP ahead 51-49
Yougov has it at 50-50
DemosAU has it at 50-50
fk that is disappointing.
University vice-chancellor pay to mirror top public service jobs
Natasha Bita
University of Melbourne vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell, University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott, and Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil.
Million-dollar salaries for vice-chancellors are set to end, with a new university watchdog to peg their pay to that of top public servants.
Federal Education Minister Jason Clare will announce the first national expert governance council within days, to set independent rules for executive remuneration. He said the council would also crack down on systemic wage theft from academics and lecturers.
“We need to strengthen governance arrangements in our universities,’’ Mr Clare said. “There have been too many shocking examples of wage theft. All workers should rightly expect their employer pays them correctly and fairly.’’
The intervention in university governance by federal, state and territory education ministers follows a scathing report by the National Tertiary Education Union last week, detailing $226m in confirmed underpayments to university staff.
The union revealed that 306 senior academic leaders are paid more than state premiers.
A spokesman for Mr Clare said the governance council would also scrutinise vice-chancellors’ pay.
“It will focus on making sure universities demonstrate and maintain a rigorous and transparent process for developing remuneration policies and settings for senior university staff,’’ he said.
He said the council would ensure that “consideration is given to comparable scale and complexity of public service entities (such as) government departments, and ensure remuneration policies and packages are publicly reported.’’
Australian vice-chancellors are among the world’s highest paid, pocketing an average of $1.048m across 37 universities last year, based on remuneration packages revealed in their annual reports.
But the breakdown of base salary and benefits, as well as performance targets for bonuses and the criteria for pay decisions, are set in secrecy by university senates.
Pegging pay to public service remuneration rates is likely to lead to savage salary cuts for vice-chancellors – although it is not clear whether changes will be retrospective or apply only to new appointments.
University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott earned between $1.17m and $1.18m last year. He earned half as much in a previous job heading the NSW Education Department, whose secretary Murat Dizdar was paid $623,000 last year.
Mr Dizdar controls a $24bn budget with 107,108 staff and nearly 800,000 students.
Professor Scott is responsible for 9051 staff and 68,421 students, with revenue of $3.4bn.
His university’s underpayment of staff left it with financial liabilities totalling $77m in December last year.
Professor Scott also earns nearly twice as much as CSIRO chief executive Doug Hilton, who earned a base salary of $588,810 as part of a $639,748 remuneration package.
Dr Hilton runs a budget of $1.73bn, with 6234 staff.
Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil earned $1.23m last year – with a base salary of $1,055,000, plus a $151,000 bonus and $28,000 in superannuation.
Her university has a $1.18bn budget, with 4509 staff and 52,000 students.
In contrast, Queensland TAFE paid its chief executive John Tucker a $350,000 base salary – with a total package of $404,000 – to run an agency with 4417 staff, a $834m budget, and 144,000 students.
Melbourne University vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell received $1.44m in salary, superannuation and fringe benefits last year.
His university has 10,514 staff, 54,000 students and $2.9bn in operating income.
Staff had to be back-paid $39m over the past two years to rectify wage theft.
The Victorian Health Department’s chief executive, Euan Wallace, was paid $660,000 to administer a $29.4bn budget with 3034 staff.
Australian vice-chancellors are paid far more than in the United Kingdom, where salaries averaged $813,000 across 24 universities in 2022-23.
Oxford University’s vice-chancellor was on track to earn $1.3m last year, based on a six-monthly salary published in the university’s annual report.
Many Australian vice-chancellors earn more than Reserve Bank governor Michele Bullock, whose base salary is $1.03m.
ABC managing director David Anderson’s base salary is $974,000, while the fixed salary of Wesfarmers chief executive Rob Scott – who runs the nation’s biggest retail conglomerate with 120,000 employees – is $2.6m.
Aside from the creation of a university governance council, the Tertiary Education Quality Standards Agency is investigating serious allegations by the NTEU that an unidentified “college’’ forced staff to “stay up all night fabricating student records’’ before a re-registration inspection.
“They’d never kept adequate records of grades, thus staff had to invent assessment grades to match the final awarded grade for each assessment, for every unit, for every student,’’ a whistleblower told the union, in evidence published in its report.
“Everything was finished only a couple of hours before the TEQSA inspectors arrived.’’
A TEQSA spokesman said that the NTEU had not previously disclosed the allegation “and we have approached the union to seek further information.
“We encourage anyone with information about alleged noncompliance by a higher education provider to report the matter to TEQSA.
-Australian
sarahs mum said:
University vice-chancellor pay to mirror top public service jobs
Natasha BitaUniversity of Melbourne vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell, University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott, and Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil.
Million-dollar salaries for vice-chancellors are set to end, with a new university watchdog to peg their pay to that of top public servants.Federal Education Minister Jason Clare will announce the first national expert governance council within days, to set independent rules for executive remuneration. He said the council would also crack down on systemic wage theft from academics and lecturers.
“We need to strengthen governance arrangements in our universities,’’ Mr Clare said. “There have been too many shocking examples of wage theft. All workers should rightly expect their employer pays them correctly and fairly.’’
The intervention in university governance by federal, state and territory education ministers follows a scathing report by the National Tertiary Education Union last week, detailing $226m in confirmed underpayments to university staff.
The union revealed that 306 senior academic leaders are paid more than state premiers.
A spokesman for Mr Clare said the governance council would also scrutinise vice-chancellors’ pay.
“It will focus on making sure universities demonstrate and maintain a rigorous and transparent process for developing remuneration policies and settings for senior university staff,’’ he said.
He said the council would ensure that “consideration is given to comparable scale and complexity of public service entities (such as) government departments, and ensure remuneration policies and packages are publicly reported.’’
Australian vice-chancellors are among the world’s highest paid, pocketing an average of $1.048m across 37 universities last year, based on remuneration packages revealed in their annual reports.
But the breakdown of base salary and benefits, as well as performance targets for bonuses and the criteria for pay decisions, are set in secrecy by university senates.
Pegging pay to public service remuneration rates is likely to lead to savage salary cuts for vice-chancellors – although it is not clear whether changes will be retrospective or apply only to new appointments.
University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott earned between $1.17m and $1.18m last year. He earned half as much in a previous job heading the NSW Education Department, whose secretary Murat Dizdar was paid $623,000 last year.
Mr Dizdar controls a $24bn budget with 107,108 staff and nearly 800,000 students.
Professor Scott is responsible for 9051 staff and 68,421 students, with revenue of $3.4bn.
His university’s underpayment of staff left it with financial liabilities totalling $77m in December last year.
Professor Scott also earns nearly twice as much as CSIRO chief executive Doug Hilton, who earned a base salary of $588,810 as part of a $639,748 remuneration package.
Dr Hilton runs a budget of $1.73bn, with 6234 staff.
Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil earned $1.23m last year – with a base salary of $1,055,000, plus a $151,000 bonus and $28,000 in superannuation.
Her university has a $1.18bn budget, with 4509 staff and 52,000 students.
In contrast, Queensland TAFE paid its chief executive John Tucker a $350,000 base salary – with a total package of $404,000 – to run an agency with 4417 staff, a $834m budget, and 144,000 students.
Melbourne University vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell received $1.44m in salary, superannuation and fringe benefits last year.
His university has 10,514 staff, 54,000 students and $2.9bn in operating income.
Staff had to be back-paid $39m over the past two years to rectify wage theft.
The Victorian Health Department’s chief executive, Euan Wallace, was paid $660,000 to administer a $29.4bn budget with 3034 staff.
Australian vice-chancellors are paid far more than in the United Kingdom, where salaries averaged $813,000 across 24 universities in 2022-23.
Oxford University’s vice-chancellor was on track to earn $1.3m last year, based on a six-monthly salary published in the university’s annual report.
Many Australian vice-chancellors earn more than Reserve Bank governor Michele Bullock, whose base salary is $1.03m.
ABC managing director David Anderson’s base salary is $974,000, while the fixed salary of Wesfarmers chief executive Rob Scott – who runs the nation’s biggest retail conglomerate with 120,000 employees – is $2.6m.Aside from the creation of a university governance council, the Tertiary Education Quality Standards Agency is investigating serious allegations by the NTEU that an unidentified “college’’ forced staff to “stay up all night fabricating student records’’ before a re-registration inspection.
“They’d never kept adequate records of grades, thus staff had to invent assessment grades to match the final awarded grade for each assessment, for every unit, for every student,’’ a whistleblower told the union, in evidence published in its report.
“Everything was finished only a couple of hours before the TEQSA inspectors arrived.’’
A TEQSA spokesman said that the NTEU had not previously disclosed the allegation “and we have approached the union to seek further information.
“We encourage anyone with information about alleged noncompliance by a higher education provider to report the matter to TEQSA.
-Australian
In Australia, tertiary education, as a business, is worth about $47B per year in export income; and like the article says, you are talking about people that are leading multi billion dollar organisations that individually have thousands of staff members and provide services to tens of thousands of customers. People running equivalent size and scale organizations in the private sector are on similar packages.
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
University vice-chancellor pay to mirror top public service jobs
Natasha BitaUniversity of Melbourne vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell, University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott, and Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil.
Million-dollar salaries for vice-chancellors are set to end, with a new university watchdog to peg their pay to that of top public servants.Federal Education Minister Jason Clare will announce the first national expert governance council within days, to set independent rules for executive remuneration. He said the council would also crack down on systemic wage theft from academics and lecturers.
“We need to strengthen governance arrangements in our universities,’’ Mr Clare said. “There have been too many shocking examples of wage theft. All workers should rightly expect their employer pays them correctly and fairly.’’
The intervention in university governance by federal, state and territory education ministers follows a scathing report by the National Tertiary Education Union last week, detailing $226m in confirmed underpayments to university staff.
The union revealed that 306 senior academic leaders are paid more than state premiers.
A spokesman for Mr Clare said the governance council would also scrutinise vice-chancellors’ pay.
“It will focus on making sure universities demonstrate and maintain a rigorous and transparent process for developing remuneration policies and settings for senior university staff,’’ he said.
He said the council would ensure that “consideration is given to comparable scale and complexity of public service entities (such as) government departments, and ensure remuneration policies and packages are publicly reported.’’
Australian vice-chancellors are among the world’s highest paid, pocketing an average of $1.048m across 37 universities last year, based on remuneration packages revealed in their annual reports.
But the breakdown of base salary and benefits, as well as performance targets for bonuses and the criteria for pay decisions, are set in secrecy by university senates.
Pegging pay to public service remuneration rates is likely to lead to savage salary cuts for vice-chancellors – although it is not clear whether changes will be retrospective or apply only to new appointments.
University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott earned between $1.17m and $1.18m last year. He earned half as much in a previous job heading the NSW Education Department, whose secretary Murat Dizdar was paid $623,000 last year.
Mr Dizdar controls a $24bn budget with 107,108 staff and nearly 800,000 students.
Professor Scott is responsible for 9051 staff and 68,421 students, with revenue of $3.4bn.
His university’s underpayment of staff left it with financial liabilities totalling $77m in December last year.
Professor Scott also earns nearly twice as much as CSIRO chief executive Doug Hilton, who earned a base salary of $588,810 as part of a $639,748 remuneration package.
Dr Hilton runs a budget of $1.73bn, with 6234 staff.
Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil earned $1.23m last year – with a base salary of $1,055,000, plus a $151,000 bonus and $28,000 in superannuation.
Her university has a $1.18bn budget, with 4509 staff and 52,000 students.
In contrast, Queensland TAFE paid its chief executive John Tucker a $350,000 base salary – with a total package of $404,000 – to run an agency with 4417 staff, a $834m budget, and 144,000 students.
Melbourne University vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell received $1.44m in salary, superannuation and fringe benefits last year.
His university has 10,514 staff, 54,000 students and $2.9bn in operating income.
Staff had to be back-paid $39m over the past two years to rectify wage theft.
The Victorian Health Department’s chief executive, Euan Wallace, was paid $660,000 to administer a $29.4bn budget with 3034 staff.
Australian vice-chancellors are paid far more than in the United Kingdom, where salaries averaged $813,000 across 24 universities in 2022-23.
Oxford University’s vice-chancellor was on track to earn $1.3m last year, based on a six-monthly salary published in the university’s annual report.
Many Australian vice-chancellors earn more than Reserve Bank governor Michele Bullock, whose base salary is $1.03m.
ABC managing director David Anderson’s base salary is $974,000, while the fixed salary of Wesfarmers chief executive Rob Scott – who runs the nation’s biggest retail conglomerate with 120,000 employees – is $2.6m.Aside from the creation of a university governance council, the Tertiary Education Quality Standards Agency is investigating serious allegations by the NTEU that an unidentified “college’’ forced staff to “stay up all night fabricating student records’’ before a re-registration inspection.
“They’d never kept adequate records of grades, thus staff had to invent assessment grades to match the final awarded grade for each assessment, for every unit, for every student,’’ a whistleblower told the union, in evidence published in its report.
“Everything was finished only a couple of hours before the TEQSA inspectors arrived.’’
A TEQSA spokesman said that the NTEU had not previously disclosed the allegation “and we have approached the union to seek further information.
“We encourage anyone with information about alleged noncompliance by a higher education provider to report the matter to TEQSA.
-Australian
In Australia, tertiary education, as a business, is worth about $47B per year in export income; and like the article says, you are talking about people that are leading multi billion dollar organisations that individually have thousands of staff members and provide services to tens of thousands of customers. People running equivalent size and scale organizations in the private sector are on similar packages.
No declaration of a conflict of interest then?
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
University vice-chancellor pay to mirror top public service jobs
Natasha BitaUniversity of Melbourne vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell, University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott, and Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil.
Million-dollar salaries for vice-chancellors are set to end, with a new university watchdog to peg their pay to that of top public servants.Federal Education Minister Jason Clare will announce the first national expert governance council within days, to set independent rules for executive remuneration. He said the council would also crack down on systemic wage theft from academics and lecturers.
“We need to strengthen governance arrangements in our universities,’’ Mr Clare said. “There have been too many shocking examples of wage theft. All workers should rightly expect their employer pays them correctly and fairly.’’
The intervention in university governance by federal, state and territory education ministers follows a scathing report by the National Tertiary Education Union last week, detailing $226m in confirmed underpayments to university staff.
The union revealed that 306 senior academic leaders are paid more than state premiers.
A spokesman for Mr Clare said the governance council would also scrutinise vice-chancellors’ pay.
“It will focus on making sure universities demonstrate and maintain a rigorous and transparent process for developing remuneration policies and settings for senior university staff,’’ he said.
He said the council would ensure that “consideration is given to comparable scale and complexity of public service entities (such as) government departments, and ensure remuneration policies and packages are publicly reported.’’
Australian vice-chancellors are among the world’s highest paid, pocketing an average of $1.048m across 37 universities last year, based on remuneration packages revealed in their annual reports.
But the breakdown of base salary and benefits, as well as performance targets for bonuses and the criteria for pay decisions, are set in secrecy by university senates.
Pegging pay to public service remuneration rates is likely to lead to savage salary cuts for vice-chancellors – although it is not clear whether changes will be retrospective or apply only to new appointments.
University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott earned between $1.17m and $1.18m last year. He earned half as much in a previous job heading the NSW Education Department, whose secretary Murat Dizdar was paid $623,000 last year.
Mr Dizdar controls a $24bn budget with 107,108 staff and nearly 800,000 students.
Professor Scott is responsible for 9051 staff and 68,421 students, with revenue of $3.4bn.
His university’s underpayment of staff left it with financial liabilities totalling $77m in December last year.
Professor Scott also earns nearly twice as much as CSIRO chief executive Doug Hilton, who earned a base salary of $588,810 as part of a $639,748 remuneration package.
Dr Hilton runs a budget of $1.73bn, with 6234 staff.
Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil earned $1.23m last year – with a base salary of $1,055,000, plus a $151,000 bonus and $28,000 in superannuation.
Her university has a $1.18bn budget, with 4509 staff and 52,000 students.
In contrast, Queensland TAFE paid its chief executive John Tucker a $350,000 base salary – with a total package of $404,000 – to run an agency with 4417 staff, a $834m budget, and 144,000 students.
Melbourne University vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell received $1.44m in salary, superannuation and fringe benefits last year.
His university has 10,514 staff, 54,000 students and $2.9bn in operating income.
Staff had to be back-paid $39m over the past two years to rectify wage theft.
The Victorian Health Department’s chief executive, Euan Wallace, was paid $660,000 to administer a $29.4bn budget with 3034 staff.
Australian vice-chancellors are paid far more than in the United Kingdom, where salaries averaged $813,000 across 24 universities in 2022-23.
Oxford University’s vice-chancellor was on track to earn $1.3m last year, based on a six-monthly salary published in the university’s annual report.
Many Australian vice-chancellors earn more than Reserve Bank governor Michele Bullock, whose base salary is $1.03m.
ABC managing director David Anderson’s base salary is $974,000, while the fixed salary of Wesfarmers chief executive Rob Scott – who runs the nation’s biggest retail conglomerate with 120,000 employees – is $2.6m.Aside from the creation of a university governance council, the Tertiary Education Quality Standards Agency is investigating serious allegations by the NTEU that an unidentified “college’’ forced staff to “stay up all night fabricating student records’’ before a re-registration inspection.
“They’d never kept adequate records of grades, thus staff had to invent assessment grades to match the final awarded grade for each assessment, for every unit, for every student,’’ a whistleblower told the union, in evidence published in its report.
“Everything was finished only a couple of hours before the TEQSA inspectors arrived.’’
A TEQSA spokesman said that the NTEU had not previously disclosed the allegation “and we have approached the union to seek further information.
“We encourage anyone with information about alleged noncompliance by a higher education provider to report the matter to TEQSA.
-Australian
In Australia, tertiary education, as a business, is worth about $47B per year in export income; and like the article says, you are talking about people that are leading multi billion dollar organisations that individually have thousands of staff members and provide services to tens of thousands of customers. People running equivalent size and scale organizations in the private sector are on similar packages.
while most of the staff is on casual rates.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
University vice-chancellor pay to mirror top public service jobs
Natasha BitaUniversity of Melbourne vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell, University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott, and Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil.
Million-dollar salaries for vice-chancellors are set to end, with a new university watchdog to peg their pay to that of top public servants.Federal Education Minister Jason Clare will announce the first national expert governance council within days, to set independent rules for executive remuneration. He said the council would also crack down on systemic wage theft from academics and lecturers.
“We need to strengthen governance arrangements in our universities,’’ Mr Clare said. “There have been too many shocking examples of wage theft. All workers should rightly expect their employer pays them correctly and fairly.’’
The intervention in university governance by federal, state and territory education ministers follows a scathing report by the National Tertiary Education Union last week, detailing $226m in confirmed underpayments to university staff.
The union revealed that 306 senior academic leaders are paid more than state premiers.
A spokesman for Mr Clare said the governance council would also scrutinise vice-chancellors’ pay.
“It will focus on making sure universities demonstrate and maintain a rigorous and transparent process for developing remuneration policies and settings for senior university staff,’’ he said.
He said the council would ensure that “consideration is given to comparable scale and complexity of public service entities (such as) government departments, and ensure remuneration policies and packages are publicly reported.’’
Australian vice-chancellors are among the world’s highest paid, pocketing an average of $1.048m across 37 universities last year, based on remuneration packages revealed in their annual reports.
But the breakdown of base salary and benefits, as well as performance targets for bonuses and the criteria for pay decisions, are set in secrecy by university senates.
Pegging pay to public service remuneration rates is likely to lead to savage salary cuts for vice-chancellors – although it is not clear whether changes will be retrospective or apply only to new appointments.
University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott earned between $1.17m and $1.18m last year. He earned half as much in a previous job heading the NSW Education Department, whose secretary Murat Dizdar was paid $623,000 last year.
Mr Dizdar controls a $24bn budget with 107,108 staff and nearly 800,000 students.
Professor Scott is responsible for 9051 staff and 68,421 students, with revenue of $3.4bn.
His university’s underpayment of staff left it with financial liabilities totalling $77m in December last year.
Professor Scott also earns nearly twice as much as CSIRO chief executive Doug Hilton, who earned a base salary of $588,810 as part of a $639,748 remuneration package.
Dr Hilton runs a budget of $1.73bn, with 6234 staff.
Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil earned $1.23m last year – with a base salary of $1,055,000, plus a $151,000 bonus and $28,000 in superannuation.
Her university has a $1.18bn budget, with 4509 staff and 52,000 students.
In contrast, Queensland TAFE paid its chief executive John Tucker a $350,000 base salary – with a total package of $404,000 – to run an agency with 4417 staff, a $834m budget, and 144,000 students.
Melbourne University vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell received $1.44m in salary, superannuation and fringe benefits last year.
His university has 10,514 staff, 54,000 students and $2.9bn in operating income.
Staff had to be back-paid $39m over the past two years to rectify wage theft.
The Victorian Health Department’s chief executive, Euan Wallace, was paid $660,000 to administer a $29.4bn budget with 3034 staff.
Australian vice-chancellors are paid far more than in the United Kingdom, where salaries averaged $813,000 across 24 universities in 2022-23.
Oxford University’s vice-chancellor was on track to earn $1.3m last year, based on a six-monthly salary published in the university’s annual report.
Many Australian vice-chancellors earn more than Reserve Bank governor Michele Bullock, whose base salary is $1.03m.
ABC managing director David Anderson’s base salary is $974,000, while the fixed salary of Wesfarmers chief executive Rob Scott – who runs the nation’s biggest retail conglomerate with 120,000 employees – is $2.6m.Aside from the creation of a university governance council, the Tertiary Education Quality Standards Agency is investigating serious allegations by the NTEU that an unidentified “college’’ forced staff to “stay up all night fabricating student records’’ before a re-registration inspection.
“They’d never kept adequate records of grades, thus staff had to invent assessment grades to match the final awarded grade for each assessment, for every unit, for every student,’’ a whistleblower told the union, in evidence published in its report.
“Everything was finished only a couple of hours before the TEQSA inspectors arrived.’’
A TEQSA spokesman said that the NTEU had not previously disclosed the allegation “and we have approached the union to seek further information.
“We encourage anyone with information about alleged noncompliance by a higher education provider to report the matter to TEQSA.
-Australian
In Australia, tertiary education, as a business, is worth about $47B per year in export income; and like the article says, you are talking about people that are leading multi billion dollar organisations that individually have thousands of staff members and provide services to tens of thousands of customers. People running equivalent size and scale organizations in the private sector are on similar packages.
No declaration of a conflict of interest then?
when she grows up, my wife hopes to one day be a vice chancellor… yes it’s a lot of money, but I can tell you from first hand experience, these businesses expect a lot from their leaders.
it’s worth remembering also that universities are more than just teaching and learning institutions, they often operate at the core of R&D and commercialisation efforts that add to the development of other industries.
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
University vice-chancellor pay to mirror top public service jobs
Natasha BitaUniversity of Melbourne vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell, University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott, and Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil.
Million-dollar salaries for vice-chancellors are set to end, with a new university watchdog to peg their pay to that of top public servants.Federal Education Minister Jason Clare will announce the first national expert governance council within days, to set independent rules for executive remuneration. He said the council would also crack down on systemic wage theft from academics and lecturers.
“We need to strengthen governance arrangements in our universities,’’ Mr Clare said. “There have been too many shocking examples of wage theft. All workers should rightly expect their employer pays them correctly and fairly.’’
The intervention in university governance by federal, state and territory education ministers follows a scathing report by the National Tertiary Education Union last week, detailing $226m in confirmed underpayments to university staff.
The union revealed that 306 senior academic leaders are paid more than state premiers.
A spokesman for Mr Clare said the governance council would also scrutinise vice-chancellors’ pay.
“It will focus on making sure universities demonstrate and maintain a rigorous and transparent process for developing remuneration policies and settings for senior university staff,’’ he said.
He said the council would ensure that “consideration is given to comparable scale and complexity of public service entities (such as) government departments, and ensure remuneration policies and packages are publicly reported.’’
Australian vice-chancellors are among the world’s highest paid, pocketing an average of $1.048m across 37 universities last year, based on remuneration packages revealed in their annual reports.
But the breakdown of base salary and benefits, as well as performance targets for bonuses and the criteria for pay decisions, are set in secrecy by university senates.
Pegging pay to public service remuneration rates is likely to lead to savage salary cuts for vice-chancellors – although it is not clear whether changes will be retrospective or apply only to new appointments.
University of Sydney vice-chancellor Mark Scott earned between $1.17m and $1.18m last year. He earned half as much in a previous job heading the NSW Education Department, whose secretary Murat Dizdar was paid $623,000 last year.
Mr Dizdar controls a $24bn budget with 107,108 staff and nearly 800,000 students.
Professor Scott is responsible for 9051 staff and 68,421 students, with revenue of $3.4bn.
His university’s underpayment of staff left it with financial liabilities totalling $77m in December last year.
Professor Scott also earns nearly twice as much as CSIRO chief executive Doug Hilton, who earned a base salary of $588,810 as part of a $639,748 remuneration package.
Dr Hilton runs a budget of $1.73bn, with 6234 staff.
Queensland University of Technology vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil earned $1.23m last year – with a base salary of $1,055,000, plus a $151,000 bonus and $28,000 in superannuation.
Her university has a $1.18bn budget, with 4509 staff and 52,000 students.
In contrast, Queensland TAFE paid its chief executive John Tucker a $350,000 base salary – with a total package of $404,000 – to run an agency with 4417 staff, a $834m budget, and 144,000 students.
Melbourne University vice-chancellor Duncan Maskell received $1.44m in salary, superannuation and fringe benefits last year.
His university has 10,514 staff, 54,000 students and $2.9bn in operating income.
Staff had to be back-paid $39m over the past two years to rectify wage theft.
The Victorian Health Department’s chief executive, Euan Wallace, was paid $660,000 to administer a $29.4bn budget with 3034 staff.
Australian vice-chancellors are paid far more than in the United Kingdom, where salaries averaged $813,000 across 24 universities in 2022-23.
Oxford University’s vice-chancellor was on track to earn $1.3m last year, based on a six-monthly salary published in the university’s annual report.
Many Australian vice-chancellors earn more than Reserve Bank governor Michele Bullock, whose base salary is $1.03m.
ABC managing director David Anderson’s base salary is $974,000, while the fixed salary of Wesfarmers chief executive Rob Scott – who runs the nation’s biggest retail conglomerate with 120,000 employees – is $2.6m.Aside from the creation of a university governance council, the Tertiary Education Quality Standards Agency is investigating serious allegations by the NTEU that an unidentified “college’’ forced staff to “stay up all night fabricating student records’’ before a re-registration inspection.
“They’d never kept adequate records of grades, thus staff had to invent assessment grades to match the final awarded grade for each assessment, for every unit, for every student,’’ a whistleblower told the union, in evidence published in its report.
“Everything was finished only a couple of hours before the TEQSA inspectors arrived.’’
A TEQSA spokesman said that the NTEU had not previously disclosed the allegation “and we have approached the union to seek further information.
“We encourage anyone with information about alleged noncompliance by a higher education provider to report the matter to TEQSA.
-Australian
In Australia, tertiary education, as a business, is worth about $47B per year in export income; and like the article says, you are talking about people that are leading multi billion dollar organisations that individually have thousands of staff members and provide services to tens of thousands of customers. People running equivalent size and scale organizations in the private sector are on similar packages.
while most of the staff is on casual rates.
people employed in casual positions in all industries are paid at at casual rates – which are often more than the rates of an equivalent full time position.
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:In Australia, tertiary education, as a business, is worth about $47B per year in export income; and like the article says, you are talking about people that are leading multi billion dollar organisations that individually have thousands of staff members and provide services to tens of thousands of customers. People running equivalent size and scale organizations in the private sector are on similar packages.
No declaration of a conflict of interest then?
when she grows up, my wife hopes to one day be a vice chancellor… yes it’s a lot of money, but I can tell you from first hand experience, these businesses expect a lot from their leaders.
it’s worth remembering also that universities are more than just teaching and learning institutions, they often operate at the core of R&D and commercialisation efforts that add to the development of other industries.
That’s all very well and good but the question remains why they should be paid so much more than the most senior politicians, judiciary and heads of government agencies and compared to their international peers. It sounds as though they’ve been living it large for some time with no pushback from the people who pay their salaries and I seriously doubt their jobs are any more demanding than the professions I’ve listed.
And the argument that this remuneration is equivalent to what is on offer in the private sector – which is one of the reasons Australian pollies are amongst the highest paid in the world – is easily solved by moving to the private sector then. There should be some consideration that people should be employed in roles they are passionate about and not just in it for the money. Hell halving their pay would still leave them in the top 1% of incomes with the only change being one less ivory back-scratcher.
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:In Australia, tertiary education, as a business, is worth about $47B per year in export income; and like the article says, you are talking about people that are leading multi billion dollar organisations that individually have thousands of staff members and provide services to tens of thousands of customers. People running equivalent size and scale organizations in the private sector are on similar packages.
while most of the staff is on casual rates.
people employed in casual positions in all industries are paid at at casual rates – which are often more than the rates of an equivalent full time position.
yes, but without the benefits of sick leave, holiday pay, security in your job, etc
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:No declaration of a conflict of interest then?
when she grows up, my wife hopes to one day be a vice chancellor… yes it’s a lot of money, but I can tell you from first hand experience, these businesses expect a lot from their leaders.
it’s worth remembering also that universities are more than just teaching and learning institutions, they often operate at the core of R&D and commercialisation efforts that add to the development of other industries.
That’s all very well and good but the question remains why they should be paid so much more than the most senior politicians, judiciary and heads of government agencies and compared to their international peers. It sounds as though they’ve been living it large for some time with no pushback from the people who pay their salaries and I seriously doubt their jobs are any more demanding than the professions I’ve listed.
And the argument that this remuneration is equivalent to what is on offer in the private sector – which is one of the reasons Australian pollies are amongst the highest paid in the world – is easily solved by moving to the private sector then. There should be some consideration that people should be employed in roles they are passionate about and not just in it for the money. Hell halving their pay would still leave them in the top 1% of incomes with the only change being one less ivory back-scratcher.
Our VC’s last pay rise was the same amount as many of the academics whole wage
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:while most of the staff is on casual rates.
people employed in casual positions in all industries are paid at at casual rates – which are often more than the rates of an equivalent full time position.
yes, but without the benefits of sick leave, holiday pay, security in your job, etc
wait are chancellors andor ministers casual positions
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:when she grows up, my wife hopes to one day be a vice chancellor… yes it’s a lot of money, but I can tell you from first hand experience, these businesses expect a lot from their leaders.
it’s worth remembering also that universities are more than just teaching and learning institutions, they often operate at the core of R&D and commercialisation efforts that add to the development of other industries.
That’s all very well and good but the question remains why they should be paid so much more than the most senior politicians, judiciary and heads of government agencies and compared to their international peers. It sounds as though they’ve been living it large for some time with no pushback from the people who pay their salaries and I seriously doubt their jobs are any more demanding than the professions I’ve listed.
And the argument that this remuneration is equivalent to what is on offer in the private sector – which is one of the reasons Australian pollies are amongst the highest paid in the world – is easily solved by moving to the private sector then. There should be some consideration that people should be employed in roles they are passionate about and not just in it for the money. Hell halving their pay would still leave them in the top 1% of incomes with the only change being one less ivory back-scratcher.
Our VC’s last pay rise was the same amount as many of the academics whole wage
but what we’re saying is, if other people do or get something disgusting, then it’s acceptable if certain people do or get something disgusting, right
wait sorry not right
if other people do or get something disgusting, then it’s important to make sure that certain people do or get something disgusting
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:No declaration of a conflict of interest then?
when she grows up, my wife hopes to one day be a vice chancellor… yes it’s a lot of money, but I can tell you from first hand experience, these businesses expect a lot from their leaders.
it’s worth remembering also that universities are more than just teaching and learning institutions, they often operate at the core of R&D and commercialisation efforts that add to the development of other industries.
That’s all very well and good but the question remains why they should be paid so much more than the most senior politicians, judiciary and heads of government agencies and compared to their international peers. It sounds as though they’ve been living it large for some time with no pushback from the people who pay their salaries and I seriously doubt their jobs are any more demanding than the professions I’ve listed.
And the argument that this remuneration is equivalent to what is on offer in the private sector – which is one of the reasons Australian pollies are amongst the highest paid in the world – is easily solved by moving to the private sector then. There should be some consideration that people should be employed in roles they are passionate about and not just in it for the money. Hell halving their pay would still leave them in the top 1% of incomes with the only change being one less ivory back-scratcher.
While funded, in part, by government (which is a great benefit to society as a whole), universities are not public institutions, nor are they managed by public institutions. They are essentially not for profit private organisations. Why should the renumeration of their employees be indexed to public wages?
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:while most of the staff is on casual rates.
people employed in casual positions in all industries are paid at at casual rates – which are often more than the rates of an equivalent full time position.
yes, but without the benefits of sick leave, holiday pay, security in your job, etc
yes, that is why they are paid more
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:while most of the staff is on casual rates.
people employed in casual positions in all industries are paid at at casual rates – which are often more than the rates of an equivalent full time position.
yes, but without the benefits of sick leave, holiday pay, security in your job, etc
I mean, you can’t really make a tutoring position (as an example) full time, it’s casual (or part time) work by definition. I mean this isn;t anything new, I was employed as a casual tutor while I was at uni.
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:when she grows up, my wife hopes to one day be a vice chancellor… yes it’s a lot of money, but I can tell you from first hand experience, these businesses expect a lot from their leaders.
it’s worth remembering also that universities are more than just teaching and learning institutions, they often operate at the core of R&D and commercialisation efforts that add to the development of other industries.
That’s all very well and good but the question remains why they should be paid so much more than the most senior politicians, judiciary and heads of government agencies and compared to their international peers. It sounds as though they’ve been living it large for some time with no pushback from the people who pay their salaries and I seriously doubt their jobs are any more demanding than the professions I’ve listed.
And the argument that this remuneration is equivalent to what is on offer in the private sector – which is one of the reasons Australian pollies are amongst the highest paid in the world – is easily solved by moving to the private sector then. There should be some consideration that people should be employed in roles they are passionate about and not just in it for the money. Hell halving their pay would still leave them in the top 1% of incomes with the only change being one less ivory back-scratcher.
Our VC’s last pay rise was the same amount as many of the academics whole wage
but they do different jobs, right? Have different responsibilities and accountabilities…
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:when she grows up, my wife hopes to one day be a vice chancellor… yes it’s a lot of money, but I can tell you from first hand experience, these businesses expect a lot from their leaders.
it’s worth remembering also that universities are more than just teaching and learning institutions, they often operate at the core of R&D and commercialisation efforts that add to the development of other industries.
That’s all very well and good but the question remains why they should be paid so much more than the most senior politicians, judiciary and heads of government agencies and compared to their international peers. It sounds as though they’ve been living it large for some time with no pushback from the people who pay their salaries and I seriously doubt their jobs are any more demanding than the professions I’ve listed.
And the argument that this remuneration is equivalent to what is on offer in the private sector – which is one of the reasons Australian pollies are amongst the highest paid in the world – is easily solved by moving to the private sector then. There should be some consideration that people should be employed in roles they are passionate about and not just in it for the money. Hell halving their pay would still leave them in the top 1% of incomes with the only change being one less ivory back-scratcher.
While funded, in part, by government (which is a great benefit to society as a whole), universities are not public institutions, nor are they managed by public institutions. They are essentially not for profit private organisations. Why should the renumeration of their employees be indexed to public wages?
Well if that’s the case then they can pay their VC wages from their private activities and the public purse pay nothing. That should halve their wages by an appropriate amount.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That’s all very well and good but the question remains why they should be paid so much more than the most senior politicians, judiciary and heads of government agencies and compared to their international peers. It sounds as though they’ve been living it large for some time with no pushback from the people who pay their salaries and I seriously doubt their jobs are any more demanding than the professions I’ve listed.
And the argument that this remuneration is equivalent to what is on offer in the private sector – which is one of the reasons Australian pollies are amongst the highest paid in the world – is easily solved by moving to the private sector then. There should be some consideration that people should be employed in roles they are passionate about and not just in it for the money. Hell halving their pay would still leave them in the top 1% of incomes with the only change being one less ivory back-scratcher.
While funded, in part, by government (which is a great benefit to society as a whole), universities are not public institutions, nor are they managed by public institutions. They are essentially not for profit private organisations. Why should the renumeration of their employees be indexed to public wages?
Well if that’s the case then they can pay their VC wages from their private activities and the public purse pay nothing. That should halve their wages by an appropriate amount.
so any business that accepts govt funding should have their salaries of their employees indexed against the public service? really? in any case the money that govt pay universities is there to offset the fees that domestic students are able to defer through HECS
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:While funded, in part, by government (which is a great benefit to society as a whole), universities are not public institutions, nor are they managed by public institutions. They are essentially not for profit private organisations. Why should the renumeration of their employees be indexed to public wages?
Well if that’s the case then they can pay their VC wages from their private activities and the public purse pay nothing. That should halve their wages by an appropriate amount.
so any business that accepts govt funding should have their salaries of their employees indexed against the public service? really? in any case the money that govt pay universities is there to offset the fees that domestic students are able to defer through HECS
I thought they were not-for-profits?
pretty sure if we have a not for profit and pay favoured employees a disgusting amount so that the books balance to zero that’s all good
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Well if that’s the case then they can pay their VC wages from their private activities and the public purse pay nothing. That should halve their wages by an appropriate amount.
so any business that accepts govt funding should have their salaries of their employees indexed against the public service? really? in any case the money that govt pay universities is there to offset the fees that domestic students are able to defer through HECS
I thought they were not-for-profits?
they are.. student fees (the primary form of income for universities) are used to pay for teaching and learning staff and facilities as well as to support research.
if domestic students weren’t able to defer payment of their tuition fees through the govt they would havve to do it through private loan providers that would most likely charge interest; the govt at least only index against inflation.
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:so any business that accepts govt funding should have their salaries of their employees indexed against the public service? really? in any case the money that govt pay universities is there to offset the fees that domestic students are able to defer through HECS
I thought they were not-for-profits?
they are.. student fees (the primary form of income for universities) are used to pay for teaching and learning staff and facilities as well as to support research.
if domestic students weren’t able to defer payment of their tuition fees through the govt they would havve to do it through private loan providers that would most likely charge interest; the govt at least only index against inflation.
I was questioning your reference to them as analogous to businesses.
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pretty sure if we have a not for profit and pay favoured employees a disgusting amount so that the books balance to zero that’s all good
surplus earnings are re-invested back into the institution to build better teaching and learning and research facilities as well as to pay for student initiatives.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I thought they were not-for-profits?
they are.. student fees (the primary form of income for universities) are used to pay for teaching and learning staff and facilities as well as to support research.
if domestic students weren’t able to defer payment of their tuition fees through the govt they would havve to do it through private loan providers that would most likely charge interest; the govt at least only index against inflation.
I was questioning your reference to them as analogous to businesses.
businesses don’t only have to be about turning a profit for shareholders – they can be about things like delivering positive social change, increasing the knowledge of the world, helping develop and commercialise new and emerging technologies… but then I’m a bit of commie like that
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:they are.. student fees (the primary form of income for universities) are used to pay for teaching and learning staff and facilities as well as to support research.
if domestic students weren’t able to defer payment of their tuition fees through the govt they would havve to do it through private loan providers that would most likely charge interest; the govt at least only index against inflation.
I was questioning your reference to them as analogous to businesses.
businesses don’t only have to be about turning a profit for shareholders – they can be about things like delivering positive social change, increasing the knowledge of the world, helping develop and commercialise new and emerging technologies… but then I’m a bit of commie like that
I think a proper socialist would consider VCs overpaid.
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:while most of the staff is on casual rates.
people employed in casual positions in all industries are paid at at casual rates – which are often more than the rates of an equivalent full time position.
yes, but without the benefits of sick leave, holiday pay, security in your job, etc
my mate fiona has been applying for full time jobs for ages. she finally scored a management role full time and has finally achieved a home loan.
look anyway we’re a bit agnostic about all this shit anyway because if we didn’t have arseholes actually getting paid properly disgusting amounts, and without bullshit waste inefficiency corruption, AUD1M as a salary is not really all that much and could be the amount of an UBI so
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I was questioning your reference to them as analogous to businesses.
businesses don’t only have to be about turning a profit for shareholders – they can be about things like delivering positive social change, increasing the knowledge of the world, helping develop and commercialise new and emerging technologies… but then I’m a bit of commie like that
I think a proper socialist would consider VCs overpaid.
I never said they weren’t overpaid. I only said that their pay shouldn’t be dictated by government.
The pays they receive are obscene, but then so at the pays of many of the executives of equivalent size and scale non-government run organisations. Universities are not Robinson Crusoe in this regard.
at the end of the day, it’s all chicken feed compared to the money made in the finance industry. The bankers that were working on the Anglo deal I was just a part of make 2.5% on the +$5B purchase price
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:businesses don’t only have to be about turning a profit for shareholders – they can be about things like delivering positive social change, increasing the knowledge of the world, helping develop and commercialise new and emerging technologies… but then I’m a bit of commie like that
I think a proper socialist would consider VCs overpaid.
I never said they weren’t overpaid. I only said that their pay shouldn’t be dictated by government.
The pays they receive are obscene, but then so at the pays of many of the executives of equivalent size and scale non-government run organisations. Universities are not Robinson Crusoe in this regard.
at the end of the day, it’s all chicken feed compared to the money made in the finance industry. The bankers that were working on the Anglo deal I was just a part of make 2.5% on the +$5B purchase price
I think we have entirely different ideas about the role for government in industry sectors where they provide the vast majority of funding.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I think a proper socialist would consider VCs overpaid.
I never said they weren’t overpaid. I only said that their pay shouldn’t be dictated by government.
The pays they receive are obscene, but then so at the pays of many of the executives of equivalent size and scale non-government run organisations. Universities are not Robinson Crusoe in this regard.
at the end of the day, it’s all chicken feed compared to the money made in the finance industry. The bankers that were working on the Anglo deal I was just a part of make 2.5% on the +$5B purchase price
I think we have entirely different ideas about the role for government in industry sectors where they provide the vast majority of funding.
you mean like healthcare
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:I never said they weren’t overpaid. I only said that their pay shouldn’t be dictated by government.
The pays they receive are obscene, but then so at the pays of many of the executives of equivalent size and scale non-government run organisations. Universities are not Robinson Crusoe in this regard.
at the end of the day, it’s all chicken feed compared to the money made in the finance industry. The bankers that were working on the Anglo deal I was just a part of make 2.5% on the +$5B purchase price
I think we have entirely different ideas about the role for government in industry sectors where they provide the vast majority of funding.
you mean like healthcare
Health bureaucrats decide what doctors are paid for work done in the public system.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I think we have entirely different ideas about the role for government in industry sectors where they provide the vast majority of funding.
you mean like healthcare
Health bureaucrats decide what doctors are paid for work done in the public system.
sure, and they also set the pricing for the much of the private system as well. Ever had a bulk billed GP appointment
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:you mean like healthcare
Health bureaucrats decide what doctors are paid for work done in the public system.
sure, and they also set the pricing for the much of the private system as well. Ever had a bulk billed GP appointment
So if it’s good enough for doctors why should university administration be any different?
Michael Walter Field AC (born 28 May 1948 in Latrobe, Tasmania), is a former Australian politician, holding office as the Premier of Tasmania between 1989 and 1992. Field is also a former chancellor of the University of Tasmania, holding that position from January 2013 to 30 June 2021. He was leader of the Tasmanian Branch of the Labor Party from 1988 until his retirement in 1996. Field is best known for operating in minority government with the support of the Independents, Tasmania’s nascent Green party, with an agreement known as the Labor–Green Accord.
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muses.
then at times it’s just jobs for the boys. like an ambassador to Paris.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Health bureaucrats decide what doctors are paid for work done in the public system.
sure, and they also set the pricing for the much of the private system as well. Ever had a bulk billed GP appointment
So if it’s good enough for doctors why should university administration be any different?
But that’s the thing, the salaries of GPs aren’t set by government or liked to any government employee basis. Nor are the salaries of specialists (despite them receiving a parge proportion of their fees from Medicare).
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:sure, and they also set the pricing for the much of the private system as well. Ever had a bulk billed GP appointment
So if it’s good enough for doctors why should university administration be any different?
But that’s the thing, the salaries of GPs aren’t set by government or liked to any government employee basis. Nor are the salaries of specialists (despite them receiving a parge proportion of their fees from Medicare).
The salaries are determined by interaction between the AMA, government departments and other relevant parties though. Those in uni administration seem to exist in their own little world where they have increased their remuneration in a little bubble untied to any yardstick of what could be called fair wages for what they do.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So if it’s good enough for doctors why should university administration be any different?
But that’s the thing, the salaries of GPs aren’t set by government or liked to any government employee basis. Nor are the salaries of specialists (despite them receiving a parge proportion of their fees from Medicare).
The salaries are determined by interaction between the AMA, government departments and other relevant parties though. Those in uni administration seem to exist in their own little world where they have increased their remuneration in a little bubble untied to any yardstick of what could be called fair wages for what they do.
And then there is the underlings, the lecturers being stuck in increasingly unfair and demanding conditions.
I have a few friends in academia who have been talking about how they either have to cut the quality and integrity of their teaching and assessments or put in a lot of unpaid hours to keep the quality and integrity of learning that once was standard. Just last week one said that she had done 16 extra hours for one assessment that was not going to be renumerated.
I think the current buzz word enshittification applies here.
Happening with lots of areas of work too, as the American business model takes over society. Aged care, childcare, health…all becoming cash cows for the few at the expense of the general welfare and good of all.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So if it’s good enough for doctors why should university administration be any different?
But that’s the thing, the salaries of GPs aren’t set by government or liked to any government employee basis. Nor are the salaries of specialists (despite them receiving a parge proportion of their fees from Medicare).
The salaries are determined by interaction between the AMA, government departments and other relevant parties though. Those in uni administration seem to exist in their own little world where they have increased their remuneration in a little bubble untied to any yardstick of what could be called fair wages for what they do.
No, GP salaries are determined by the market, they are not set by, or negotiated on behalf of, the AMA or any govt department. GP clinics are private, for profit, organisations that can, and do, set the rates of pay for their employees. They also receive a large proportion of their income from government funding.
The same is true of specialist clinics, which, depending on the type of procedures they undertake, also receive sizeable proportions of their income from Medicare. More than one Porche in the carpark at the local specialist medical center.
ruby said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:But that’s the thing, the salaries of GPs aren’t set by government or liked to any government employee basis. Nor are the salaries of specialists (despite them receiving a parge proportion of their fees from Medicare).
The salaries are determined by interaction between the AMA, government departments and other relevant parties though. Those in uni administration seem to exist in their own little world where they have increased their remuneration in a little bubble untied to any yardstick of what could be called fair wages for what they do.
And then there is the underlings, the lecturers being stuck in increasingly unfair and demanding conditions.
I have a few friends in academia who have been talking about how they either have to cut the quality and integrity of their teaching and assessments or put in a lot of unpaid hours to keep the quality and integrity of learning that once was standard. Just last week one said that she had done 16 extra hours for one assessment that was not going to be renumerated.
I think the current buzz word enshittification applies here.
Happening with lots of areas of work too, as the American business model takes over society. Aged care, childcare, health…all becoming cash cows for the few at the expense of the general welfare and good of all.
The vast majority of academics (and I’ll preface this by using the term ‘academic’ to describe a person, that works in both the teaching and learning space and also conducts their own research) are on continuing full time contracts and while the work hours are set in these contracts (while I’m not an academic I know the nominal work hours are set in mine) it’s not uncommon for many salaried professionals to, at times, work longer hours or hours outside of their contracted work time. So I don’t really understand your comment about having to lower the quality or integrity of their work because they “don’t have the time”. I’d be interested to understand what you mean here and what an example of lowering the quality or integrity of their work means.
Now I’m happy to have a conversation about the reasonableness of expectations or the reasonableness of the renumeration required to meet the these expectations, but as far as I’m concerned professional staff (in any industry) are paid to do a job and if it take a few extra hours or a late night to get the job done, then that is just what is required. There are also mechanisms within the leave structures of most institutions to allow employees to make up for these sorts of very busy periods (it’s often called time in lieu). I mean I honestly can’t remember the last time I only worked 40hrs in a week and theat is common of most professionals that I know across a lot of different industries.
I also think that we shouldn’t be discussing expectations of salaried professionals and wage earners in the same context as they (wager earners) are employed under very different conditions and renumeration structures.
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:But that’s the thing, the salaries of GPs aren’t set by government or liked to any government employee basis. Nor are the salaries of specialists (despite them receiving a parge proportion of their fees from Medicare).
The salaries are determined by interaction between the AMA, government departments and other relevant parties though. Those in uni administration seem to exist in their own little world where they have increased their remuneration in a little bubble untied to any yardstick of what could be called fair wages for what they do.
No, GP salaries are determined by the market, they are not set by, or negotiated on behalf of, the AMA or any govt department. GP clinics are private, for profit, organisations that can, and do, set the rates of pay for their employees. They also receive a large proportion of their income from government funding.
The same is true of specialist clinics, which, depending on the type of procedures they undertake, also receive sizeable proportions of their income from Medicare. More than one Porche in the carpark at the local specialist medical center.
Every piece of government funding used in the public system is determined by the government. Bulk billing rates are this, payment for different surgery are that etc.
I’m not talking about the extra that doctors can add on. I’m talking about the public system.
Another instalment of ‘tell me that there’s an election coming up, without telling me that there’s an election coming up’:
ABC News:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The salaries are determined by interaction between the AMA, government departments and other relevant parties though. Those in uni administration seem to exist in their own little world where they have increased their remuneration in a little bubble untied to any yardstick of what could be called fair wages for what they do.
No, GP salaries are determined by the market, they are not set by, or negotiated on behalf of, the AMA or any govt department. GP clinics are private, for profit, organisations that can, and do, set the rates of pay for their employees. They also receive a large proportion of their income from government funding.
The same is true of specialist clinics, which, depending on the type of procedures they undertake, also receive sizeable proportions of their income from Medicare. More than one Porche in the carpark at the local specialist medical center.
Every piece of government funding used in the public system is determined by the government. Bulk billing rates are this, payment for different surgery are that etc.
I’m not talking about the extra that doctors can add on. I’m talking about the public system.
then it seems we are talking about different things. your suggestion was that because the govt put a substantial amount of money into higher education that it should be able to set pay rates in that sector. My point was that there are lots of private businesses (across many different industries) that get public money, should the govt set the pay for the employees of these businesses as well?
Sure, in public hospitals pay rates are set by the govt but this is because they are actual government run organisations.
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:No, GP salaries are determined by the market, they are not set by, or negotiated on behalf of, the AMA or any govt department. GP clinics are private, for profit, organisations that can, and do, set the rates of pay for their employees. They also receive a large proportion of their income from government funding.
The same is true of specialist clinics, which, depending on the type of procedures they undertake, also receive sizeable proportions of their income from Medicare. More than one Porche in the carpark at the local specialist medical center.
Every piece of government funding used in the public system is determined by the government. Bulk billing rates are this, payment for different surgery are that etc.
I’m not talking about the extra that doctors can add on. I’m talking about the public system.
then it seems we are talking about different things. your suggestion was that because the govt put a substantial amount of money into higher education that it should be able to set pay rates in that sector. My point was that there are lots of private businesses (across many different industries) that get public money, should the govt set the pay for the employees of these businesses as well?
Sure, in public hospitals pay rates are set by the govt but this is because they are actual government run organisations.
It’s clearly a gravy train where a very limited number of people are rewarding themselves outrageous salaries at the expense of the Commonwealth. They do nothing deserving of such high salaries and any reasonable comparison to other public servants shows this.
Industries like aged care, childcare and the NDIS that are largely funded by the government are strictly regulated and very competitive so there is really no comparison.
I’m sorry that it irks you to have someone suggesting you’re wife is undeserving of her high salary but I don’t think you are are able to discuss this rationally which is exactly why I suggested you have a vested interest in the first place.
Cam Sinclair, who ran Basil Zempilas’s successful campaigns to become Perth Lord Mayor, says he deeply regrets an “error of judgement” he made in commissioning secret polling that sparked a WA Liberal leadership challenge this week.
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Does he though?
Building Bad
Bikies ran amok in the CFMEU, and they’re not going to leave quietly
Efforts to clean up the troubled union are encountering resistance as the extent of past problems becomes clearer.
By Nick McKenzie and Cara Waters
November 28, 2024
On an unseasonably cool spring morning last week, the man with one of the toughest jobs in Australia requested urgent help from a security firm led by an ex-special forces soldier.
For weeks, a personal security detail has shadowed Mark Irving, KC, after police warnings he was to be the subject of a death threat designed to destabilise his attempted reform of Australia’s building industry as the newly appointed CFMEU administrator.
But his recent request for security wasn’t for his safety. Rather, union organisers now working for Irving are facing threats of their own.
Sources close to the union said they emanated from a clique of violent gangland figures aligned with a bikie once considered a key ally of the CFMEU, Joel Leavitt.
By 2023, Leavitt wielded significant industrial muscle as a union delegate on two of the Victorian Labor government’s signature Big Build projects: the $530 million Hurstbridge train line upgrade and the Metro Tunnel rail project.
He was overseen by, and on occasion claimed to fellow workers to be carrying out the industrial orders of, a union boss called Joe Myles. Myles, like Leavitt, had worked for the CFMEU in Queensland before moving to the union’s Victorian operation.
Leavitt lost his formal CFMEU support weeks after he was shot at a bikie clubhouse in 2023, but his informal union networks were crippled only after the Building Bad scandal erupted in July and previous backers, such as union executive Myles, were abruptly sacked.
Leavitt’s crew began looking for alternative sources of income, pressuring building industry insiders as they did so. Pushback from still-serving union organisers sparked warnings of violent reprisals.
With threats also made in NSW and Queensland, Irving felt obligated to urgently deploy small teams of highly trained former military and police officers outside CFMEU headquarters around the nation.
This masthead can reveal the union’s national secretary, Zach Smith, privately addressed union officials last week, warning them that if they sided with those now threatening CFMEU organisers, they would be summarily dismissed. It signalled a major shift in the CFMEU’s stance.
Irving and Smith would not comment for this story, but their responses have been relayed to this masthead by multiple sources inside the union and who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of blowback.
Five sources who have had dealings with Leavitt, and who requested anonymity, also briefed this masthead for this story.
When the CFMEU scandal erupted in July, the union initially claimed that bikies were given jobs as its delegates as a means of rehabilitation.
Several people in the union knew this was untrue because they had witnessed bikies or other gangland figures disregard the CFMEU’s interests to line their pockets, sometimes turning on union members as they did so.
They had also seen these self-interested bikies increasingly become part of the union furniture.
Vicious violence, such as an alleged bashing in December of a union delegate by one of Leavitt’s lieutenants, who was himself a CFMEU representative on Victoria’s Big Build, had met with indifference from some in the union.
But Smith’s rhetorical shift last week signalled that influential CFMEU figures were prepared to acknowledge a reality as grim as it was obvious for those now facing threats.
By embedding gangland figures like Leavitt within a key sector of Australia’s economy via state government and other projects and empowering them with the union’s raw industrial strength, the CFMEU created a risk for itself if the bikies’ revenue streams were threatened.
The Leavitt crew’s recent agitation, along with Smith’s warning to those with divided loyalties, suggests that this threat had finally materialised.
A number of recently sacked union executives privately acknowledge things went too far (one of them has taken to carrying a pistol for protection, according to his friends).
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A CFMEU blame game has erupted, with Myles’ so-called “Irish” union faction being accused of wrongdoing by those loyal to sacked union bosses such as Elias Spernovasilis, who has his own deep underworld ties.
Myles has stayed quiet, although he continues to deal regularly with influential organisers who are still employed by the union and meant to be working solely for Smith and Irving.
Just how bad things got prior to Irving’s administration remains unknown, but it is increasingly clear that the union was slowly strangling itself.
In NSW, the CFMEU became a fiefdom promoting gangster-aligned companies with appalling worker safety records. Organisers who objected were warned to stay quiet.
In NSW and Victoria, labour hire companies exploded on the union’s watch despite being anathema to secure working conditions that are the CFMEU’s raison d’etre.
This was cheered on by bikie bosses using the firms to place gang members on government projects. Right up the east coast, the threat of violence was real and omnipresent.
This raises damning questions about how governments — particularly Victoria’s Labor government — let it all get so bad.
Why were taxpayers funding projects that bankrolled bikies and made union bosses arguably more powerful than the public servants meant to be running the show? And who in power, if anyone, will be held accountable?
When workers employed by the Southern Project Alliance (SPA) encountered Joel Leavitt in early 2023, they typically pondered an immediate and pressing question.
Why was a tattooed, muscle-bound bikie, who had done a historical stint in jail in Brisbane, now working as a union representative, let alone one responsible for health and safety of employees at companies delivering more than $4 billion worth of work on Labor’s rail level-crossing removal program?
On paper, Leavitt was employed through union-backed labour hire firms, such as Top Up and OCC, and was ultimately paid by the Victorian taxpayer.
In practice, he answered to two separate sources of power: the Rebels bikie gang and the CFMEU.
Union sources say Leavitt’s delegate role on the crossing removal project was supported by Myles. Their personal relationship developed about six years ago via young union activist networks.
Myles wielded the CFMEU’s industrial power on the Victorian government’s signature Big Build projects via a small team of union organisers, delegates and health and safety representatives like Leavitt.
Many in the CFMEU suspected Myles was building a powerbase to take over the union when incumbent leader, and rival, John Setka departed. The two weren’t so different.
Like Setka, Myles has a history of unlawful conduct, with the Federal Court finding he has breached workplace laws more than 20 times, engaging in coercion, obstruction and illegal stoppages, and not complying with safety laws.
In a 2017, former Federal Court judge Richard Tracey found Myles had “a deplorable personal history of offending” stretching back to 2010.
Whereas Setka had spent two decades giving his imprimatur to underworld figure Mick Gatto (effectively making him the CFMEU’s favoured industrial relations fixer), Myles appeared to have his own heavies in his union camp.
Myles oversaw several bikie-linked figures like Leavitt working in union roles.
One was Big Build organiser and former Queenslander Marty Albert, who in late 2023 was charged over a pub bashing and named by police in court (in a still unresolved case) as the sergeant-at-arms of the Bandidos’ Melbourne chapter.
Working alongside Leavitt as purported union health and safety representatives on the $530 million Southern Project Alliance Hurstridge rail line upgrade were two other hard men: ex-bikie and convicted killer Johnny “Two Guns” Walker and Charlie Farrugia.
Walker was jailed for bashing a man to death before being welcomed into the union as one of Myles’ Big Build delegates.
This masthead can reveal that in December, Farrugia allegedly brutally bashed another union delegate aligned to the Setka camp.
Images of the attack and its bloody aftermath have been obtained by this masthead (Farrugia is yet to face trial and there is no suggestion he is guilty).
In 2022 and the first half of 2023, Leavitt, Farrugia and Walker worked as a CFMEU triumvirate on the Hurstbridge line upgrade, issuing demands laced with the menace of union action or bikie intervention.
Southern Project Alliance workers were meant to vote in Farrugia, Walker and Leavitt as union representatives, but in reality they were forced onto SPA’s payroll by the CFMEU, according to multiple sources.
“As soon as we discovered their bikie links, no one on the level crossing project wanted to challenge them,” a project insider said. “It was safer and easier to give in to them than fight their every demand.”
According to sources who worked with him, Leavitt’s role extended well beyond his health and safety remit. He demanded major state government contractors pay disputed debts to union friendly subcontractors.
Back at union headquarters, Myles made similar demands.
One source, who requested anonymity for fear of blowback, said Myles not only threatened industrial action but shut down work on multiple Big Build projects to force the payment of contested debts.
A second source said Leavitt claimed previously to have been passing on “Joe’s orders”.
Myles declined to comment and the extent to which he was expressly directing Leavitt in the past, if at all, is unclear. This masthead is not suggesting Myles had any involvement in directing the latest threats to union organisers.
While Leavitt was ultimately overseen by Myles, there is also no suggestion that Myles endorsed any allegedly unlawful actions by Leavitt, including threatening or standover behaviour.
It is indisputable that the CFMEU empowered Leavitt on his Big Build beat. On work sites, Leavitt, Farrugia, and, to a lesser extent, Walker, pressed contractors to hire or pay additional wages to their associates and relatives, including several criminals and bikies, via labour hire companies aligned with the union.
This masthead has obtained a list of workers circulated by Farrugia for special treatment along with a list of labour hire companies that employed them.
At the head of the list is Top Up Labour, which was repeatedly promoted by the CFMEU, but it includes other union-backed labour hire firms OCC and Women In Construction, which also have underworld links.
The SPA acquiesced to some but not all of these requests. For instance, it was forced to place Leavitt and Farrugia’s associates in jobs that were surplus to project requirements, out of fear of retribution.
According to project insiders, the only silver lining was that as labour hire firm placements they were “easy to sack”.
The wages they were paid before that point were ultimately funded by the Victorian taxpayer.
Leaked documents show that the SPA, along with contractors on other Big Build projects, was forced into paying certain workers daily wage increases of up to 400 per cent over the 2023 Easter break because they would be working over a holiday weekend and because it was raining.
This meant bikies and relatives and friends of Leavitt could earn up to $4000 in a single day for menial tasks.
The union argued this lucrative arrangement was endorsed in the industrial agreement covering the Big Build. At least two major contractors insisted it wasn’t, but they paid it anyway.
When Leavitt and Farrugia demanded a free souvlaki day for workers, the SPA agreed and paid a company of Leavitt’s choosing to deliver the food, even though the potential for corruption was obvious.
Leavitt also demanded SPA member Metro Trains stop using a small business because it was not CFMEU-endorsed. Metro relented and the firm was forced off the project.
Leavitt and Farrugia were also in dispute with rival bikie-gang-aligned figures on the rail level crossing project, sparking concerns that workers might be caught up in bikie violence.
In one incident described by two insiders, a group of Comancheros arrived on a government site to face off with gang members aligned to Leavitt.
“We almost had a bikie war,” one insider recalled.
To defuse tensions between rival gangs, the union ultimately removed a bikie as a delegate from the site, shifting him to the North East Link Big Build project.
In March 2023, Leavitt used an SPA vehicle, given to him for his union health and safety duties, to attend a Rebels bikie clubhouse in suburban Melbourne.
A dispute erupted and Leavitt was shot, subsequently using the SPA car to race himself to hospital.
In late 2023, Farrugia allegedly brutally bashed a fellow union delegate aligned to the Setka CFMEU faction over what police have alleged was “a neighbour dispute”.
While this was ostensibly unconnected to union business, that Farrugia had allegedly turned on a fellow union representative sparked another clash at CFMEU headquarters.
“Some officials thought Farrugia should remain a HSR , even though he had been charged someone who was also serving the union,” a union insider said.
Ultimately, Farrugia and Leavitt would both be forced from their roles.
Leavitt moved on to other building sites after the shooting (one source suggested the CFMEU removed him from the Big Build). Farrugia was forced out of his union post once charges were laid over the alleged bashing.
Bandido sergeant at arms Marty Albert and ex-bikie Johnny Walker would lose their union posts after the Building Bad series broke in July.
So too would Joe Myles, who was sacked along with a host of other senior union executives, including several also accused of enabling bikies, including senior Mongols and Hells Angels, and other gangland types.
Myles still commands fierce loyalty from those ostensibly serving administrator Mark Irving and Zach Smith.
Video footage from mid-October obtained by this masthead shows Myles meeting for an hour with still-serving Big Build CFMEU organiser and close friend Gerry McQuaid, just before McQuaid met with the major contractor running the $26 billion North East Link, a state and federally funded project.
There is no suggestion Myles was doing anything but socialising, but the situation raises questions about influence at the union.
Another former Myles camp figure and influential Big Build organiser, Gerry McCrudden, has also retained his role as a union official.
McCrudden was covertly filmed in 2022 warning that firms without the union’s backing – in the form of CFMEU-endorsed enterprise bargaining agreements – would be unofficially black-banned from Big Build sites.
Irving’s administration is partly paralysed by a High Court challenge funded by breakaway unions and backed by select sacked CFMEU bosses.
The legal impasse has left Irving no choice but to retain union organisers loyal to the previous leadership around the country.
Leavitt remains active in the building industry, but appears now to be focused less on union power and more on making money.
Sources have named Leavitt’s crew as behind the threats which forced Irving to scramble security. Two union sources said it was suspected the threats were linked to the organisers’ refusal to support a Leavitt-backed subcontractor.
Other gangland figures entrenched in the building industry, including fixers Mick Gatto, Billy Mitris and Faruk Orman, along with a host of large companies, labour hire firms and subcontractors, are also adapting to a rapidly changing environment marked by instability and a power vacuum.
For his part, ex-bikie gang boss Tyrone Bell is now promoting a building industry health and safety firm run by former CFMEU organiser Jaxson Mahy.
Zac Smith, who has also taken over the Victorian branch, has called on his organisers to cut off the bikies and begun a wind back in the promotion of labour hire firms
Any thorough clean-up effort will need to unpick how the CFMEU was able to gain near complete control on government projects along Australia’s east coast.
The Minns government in NSW, as relative newcomers, can blame the former Coalition administration. But for Victoria’s Allan government, mounting questions about whether it ceded control of signature projects to the CFMEU loom as a potential political nightmare.
As with every Big Build contracting conglomerate, the SPA was required to report industrial relations disputation to the public servants at the rail level crossing removal authority, who in turn briefed the Labor government and transport minister – who, until she became premier, was Jacinta Allan.
Sources have said that rival unions, including the Australian Workers’ Union and the manufacturing wing of the CFMEU, reported concerns about improper activity on the Big Build to public servants and to Labor ministers.
“The public servants definitely were told. And it’s their job to tell the minister,” a well-connected building industry adviser said.
On Wednesday, Allan insisted the government had no tolerance for illegal activity, had introduced anti-consorting laws to get bikies off building sites and backed Irving’s administration after the Building Bad scandal broke.
She also said the government was expecting the final report by former public servant Greg Wilson, who Labor commissioned to examine aspects of the scandal, within days.
Joe Myles’ wife, Elizabeth Doidge, is influential in the Labor Party. She previously worked as the CFMEU’s political officer, a role in which she had extensive dealings with the Victorian government as she sought to advance the union’s agenda.
Doidge declined to comment when approached by this masthead. But she was less reticent in 2020, when she was elected to the Melbourne City Council with the help of a $195,838 CFMEU donation. Back then, she said the union wanted a place on council so it could “influence policy” and “play a part in the city that we built”.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/bikies-ran-amok-in-the-cfmeu-and-they-re-not-going-to-leave-quietly-20241125-p5kt7r.html
don’t worry interest rates will still be lower under Corruption and there will be lower unemployment as well
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Every piece of government funding used in the public system is determined by the government. Bulk billing rates are this, payment for different surgery are that etc.
I’m not talking about the extra that doctors can add on. I’m talking about the public system.
then it seems we are talking about different things. your suggestion was that because the govt put a substantial amount of money into higher education that it should be able to set pay rates in that sector. My point was that there are lots of private businesses (across many different industries) that get public money, should the govt set the pay for the employees of these businesses as well?
Sure, in public hospitals pay rates are set by the govt but this is because they are actual government run organisations.
My suggestion is that VCs and administrative staff are seemingly the best paid in the world and that given that half of their salaries are funded by the government then it wouldn’t be outrageous for the government’s to have a say in this remuneration.It’s clearly a gravy train where a very limited number of people are rewarding themselves outrageous salaries at the expense of the Commonwealth. They do nothing deserving of such high salaries and any reasonable comparison to other public servants shows this.
Industries like aged care, childcare and the NDIS that are largely funded by the government are strictly regulated and very competitive so there is really no comparison.
I’m sorry that it irks you to have someone suggesting you’re wife is undeserving of her high salary but I don’t think you are are able to discuss this rationally which is exactly why I suggested you have a vested interest in the first place.
it doesn’t irk me, but it demonstrates that (1) people don’t really understand how universities are funded.. the money comes from students, not the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth just helps the students by allowing them to defer their fees. The students then repay the funds, so the whole thing is net neutral. And (2) it also demonstrates that people don’t understand that there are a great deal of accountability on the shoulders of a VC. the buck stops with them is something happens at a university run student even and, for instance, a student overdoses or is assaulted, or if an academic is caught breaching ethics standards, or speaks out on a controversial topic, or if hundreds of people camp out on your campus to protest a geo-political situation and break into buildings and threaten other students and staff, etc.. it’s pretty crazy ride at the top. How much money would you have to be paid to risk going to jail, because of actions out of your control?
Sure it’s a lot of money, but I think that decision should rest with the university senates, not the commonwealth.
I was a bit surprised by this discussion, but University governance is certainly not my area of expertise, so I consulted TATE on the history of Sydney University:
“In 1848, William Wentworth, a University of Cambridge alumnus, and Sir Charles Nicholson, a University of Edinburgh Medical School alumnus, proposed in the Legislative Council a plan to expand the existing Sydney College into a university. Wentworth argued that it would provide the opportunity for “the child of every class, to become great and useful in the destinies of his country” and that a state secular university was imperative for a society aspiring towards self-government.
So far from being an institution for the rich, I take It to be an institution for the poor. … I trust that, from the pregnant womb of this institution will arise a long list of illustrious names—of statesmen—of patriots—of philanthropists—of philosophers—of poets and of heroes, who will shed a deathless halo, not only on their country, but upon the University which called them into being.
He promoted access on the basis of merit rather than religious or social status. It took two attempts on Wentworth’s behalf before the plan was finally adopted.
The university was established via the passage of the University of Sydney Act 1850 (NSW) on 24 September 1850, and was assented on 1 October 1850 by governor Sir Charles Fitzroy.”
So it certainly seems like at least Sydney Uni was set up by the state government as a public institution.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I was a bit surprised by this discussion, but University governance is certainly not my area of expertise, so I consulted TATE on the history of Sydney University:
“In 1848, William Wentworth, a University of Cambridge alumnus, and Sir Charles Nicholson, a University of Edinburgh Medical School alumnus, proposed in the Legislative Council a plan to expand the existing Sydney College into a university. Wentworth argued that it would provide the opportunity for “the child of every class, to become great and useful in the destinies of his country” and that a state secular university was imperative for a society aspiring towards self-government.
So far from being an institution for the rich, I take It to be an institution for the poor. … I trust that, from the pregnant womb of this institution will arise a long list of illustrious names—of statesmen—of patriots—of philanthropists—of philosophers—of poets and of heroes, who will shed a deathless halo, not only on their country, but upon the University which called them into being.
He promoted access on the basis of merit rather than religious or social status. It took two attempts on Wentworth’s behalf before the plan was finally adopted.
The university was established via the passage of the University of Sydney Act 1850 (NSW) on 24 September 1850, and was assented on 1 October 1850 by governor Sir Charles Fitzroy.”
So it certainly seems like at least Sydney Uni was set up by the state government as a public institution.
well privatisation is good and the lure of profit or high salary or high wages makes quality and efficiency rise to nearly infinite levels
The Rev Dodgson said:
I was a bit surprised by this discussion, but University governance is certainly not my area of expertise, so I consulted TATE on the history of Sydney University:“In 1848, William Wentworth, a University of Cambridge alumnus, and Sir Charles Nicholson, a University of Edinburgh Medical School alumnus, proposed in the Legislative Council a plan to expand the existing Sydney College into a university. Wentworth argued that it would provide the opportunity for “the child of every class, to become great and useful in the destinies of his country” and that a state secular university was imperative for a society aspiring towards self-government.
So far from being an institution for the rich, I take It to be an institution for the poor. … I trust that, from the pregnant womb of this institution will arise a long list of illustrious names—of statesmen—of patriots—of philanthropists—of philosophers—of poets and of heroes, who will shed a deathless halo, not only on their country, but upon the University which called them into being.
He promoted access on the basis of merit rather than religious or social status. It took two attempts on Wentworth’s behalf before the plan was finally adopted.
The university was established via the passage of the University of Sydney Act 1850 (NSW) on 24 September 1850, and was assented on 1 October 1850 by governor Sir Charles Fitzroy.”
So it certainly seems like at least Sydney Uni was set up by the state government as a public institution.
As was the University of New England. I expect that other Unis were also set up by Acts of Parliament.
“The college became fully independent as the University of New England in 1954, after the entry into force of the University of New England Act 1953 (NSW).”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_New_England_(Australia)
The University of Queensland was created by the University of Queensland Act 1909.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I was a bit surprised by this discussion, but University governance is certainly not my area of expertise, so I consulted TATE on the history of Sydney University:“In 1848, William Wentworth, a University of Cambridge alumnus, and Sir Charles Nicholson, a University of Edinburgh Medical School alumnus, proposed in the Legislative Council a plan to expand the existing Sydney College into a university. Wentworth argued that it would provide the opportunity for “the child of every class, to become great and useful in the destinies of his country” and that a state secular university was imperative for a society aspiring towards self-government.
So far from being an institution for the rich, I take It to be an institution for the poor. … I trust that, from the pregnant womb of this institution will arise a long list of illustrious names—of statesmen—of patriots—of philanthropists—of philosophers—of poets and of heroes, who will shed a deathless halo, not only on their country, but upon the University which called them into being.
He promoted access on the basis of merit rather than religious or social status. It took two attempts on Wentworth’s behalf before the plan was finally adopted.
The university was established via the passage of the University of Sydney Act 1850 (NSW) on 24 September 1850, and was assented on 1 October 1850 by governor Sir Charles Fitzroy.”
So it certainly seems like at least Sydney Uni was set up by the state government as a public institution.
University’s exist through acts of (state) Parliaments, these acts establish rules of governance; generally this relates to the size and the composition of the University Senate (or Council). The legislations also defines the powers and delegation of authority that these bodies have as well as the educational standards and guidelines that define the institution must adhere to. This legislation is not significantly different (in effect) to way in which governments legislate the governance of public companies and the standards under which they must operate.
SCIENCE said:
don’t worry interest rates will still be lower under Corruption and there will be lower unemployment as well
what it looks like to have a government that is prepared to work across the parliament to turn promises into progress
Can you stop a teen from using TikTok? Australia is about to find out.
Australia passed a law banning children under 16 from using social media apps like TikTok and Snapchat. Whether it can be enforced remains in question.
By Michael E. Miller
November 27, 2024 at 10:00 a.m. EST
SYDNEY — Australia is set to pass one of the world’s most restrictive social media laws this week, banning children under 16 from using online platforms such as TikTok, Snapchat and Instagram.
The legislation, which comes amid growing concerns over social media’s impacts on young people, has broad political support in Australia and is expected to become law on Thursday. But it has been criticized by many experts who say it is too simplistic and could create more problems than it solves.
The law creates an enforcement “framework,” with key details to be decided later, but the legislation puts the onus on social media companies, which could be fined up to $33 million for systemic failures to prevent underage access.
Those companies have criticized the plan. Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, called the law “rushed” and difficult to enforce but said it will comply. Snapchat warned of “unintended consequences.”
The fiercest opposition has come from X, whose owner, Elon Musk, called the law “a backdoor way to control access to the internet by all Australians” — a claim officials deny. In a submission to Parliament, X said it had “serious concerns as to the lawfulness of the bill.”
All sides agree other countries will be paying close attention. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he received encouragement from leaders in Europe, North America and New Zealand.
“They are all looking at what we are doing, and they are applauding what we are doing in showing leadership in this area,” he told parliament on Monday.
But many experts say the world is watching because of the challenges the law will create.
“How are parents going to navigate removing young people from platforms that they’ve been using for several years,” asked Faith Gordon, a law professor at the Australian National University and one of the authors of an open letter to the prime minister signed by more than 120 academics opposed to the law. “This may lead to conflict in the home.”
Australia’s center-left government says the bill is designed to protect young people, arguing there is a link between social media use and negative mental health outcomes.
“For too many young Australians, social media can be harmful,” Communications Minister Michelle Rowland told Parliament last week when she introduced the bill. “Almost two-thirds of 14-to-17-year-old Australians have viewed extremely harmful content online, including drug abuse, suicide or self-harm as well as violent material. One quarter have been exposed to content promoting unsafe eating habits.”
Although the bill is supported by the government and the conservative opposition, it has given Albanese, who has slipped behind in some polls ahead of an election next year, a chance to talk about an issue that is popular among Australians.
“This one’s for the mums and dads,” he said when outlining the legislation this month. “I’ve spoken to thousands of parents, grandparents, aunties and uncles. They, like me, are worried sick about the safety of our kids online. And I want Australian parents and families to know that the government has your back.”
How would the ban actually work?
We don’t know yet, exactly.
The Online Safety Amendment, as the law is called, “does not dictate how platforms must comply with the minimum age obligation,” according to its explanatory memorandum. But it requires platforms covered under the legislation “to take reasonable steps to prevent age-restricted users” from using their apps.
There is no loophole for parental permission, which some other countries have allowed, nor an exception for young people who already have accounts. The age limit will kick in one year from now and will be enforced by the country’s eSafety Commissioner, which expressed concerns over the idea earlier this year but now says it welcomes the law.
Many details remain vague, including how social media companies will verify someone’s age. One possibility is to require government-issued identification. Some critics claim the personal information of millions of Australians would be a target for hackers. Rowland has said social media companies must destroy the data and face additional fines up to $33 million for misusing it.
Meta and Snapchat have both warned of the logistical and security challenges of requiring every app to verify a user’s age. They argue centralized app stores would make for better social media bouncers.
Albanese has sought to downplay the idea of Australians having to prove they are old enough to use social media, likening it to the ban on people under 18 buying alcohol.
He says the one-year delay gives the government and social media companies time to figure out how to implement it.
Which platforms will be covered by the ban?
The age limit doesn’t apply to all social media but targets Snapchat, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram and X. It has some exemptions for “services with the primary purpose of supporting the health and education of end-users.” The government has said that includes the Headspace and Kids Helpline mental health apps, as well as Google Classroom and YouTube.
Among those advocating for the exemption were the Wiggles, a popular Australian children’s music group that says Australians have watched its programs on YouTube more than 1 billion times.
While children under 16 will be able to continue watching videos on YouTube, they will not be able to sign into the platform under the legislation, said Lisa Given, a professor of information sciences at the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology. That will protect them from potentially harmful messages but not from questionable content.
The legislation also exempts messaging, including WhatsApp, and online gaming.
What do the detractors say?
Instead of forcing social media companies to clean up their platforms, the legislation will give them an excuse to carry on business as usual — at least for Australians 16 and older, according to many experts who study social media or children’s health.
“This won’t in and of itself actually improve safety standards for all users,” said Philippa Collin, co-director of the Young and Resilient Research Center at Western Sydney University. “What it does do is punish young people and prevents them from accessing spaces that we know also have significant benefits.”
Young people who find ways around the age limit using a VPN or other means could face even greater danger because they will be less likely to seek help, she said.
Many young Australians use social media to organize, as with the School Strike 4 Climate Action, Gordon noted. And marginalized youths, including members of the LGBTQ community, often rely on social media for connection and education.
“Young people’s political and civil rights are really going to be constrained in that regard,” she said.
Those concerns led the Australian Human Rights Commission to come out against the bill last week. There are other ways to protect children without curtailing their rights, it said, suggesting social media companies could be required to make their products safer.
Albanese’s government has said it will also introduce a “duty of care” bill, similar to recent laws in the European Union and the United Kingdom, that would require social media companies to be more transparent about their algorithms and enable Australians to make complaints when they experience harmful content.
What do Australian children under 16 say?
Children are also split over the legislation. Some who have experienced bullying on social media platforms support the idea. But others warn it could cut them off from friends and online communities.
“This destroys … my friendships and the ability to make people feel seen,” Lucas Lane, a 15-year-old in Perth who runs an online business selling nail polish to boys, told the BBC.
Several students told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation the ban would make it harder to keep in touch with friends. One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/27/australia-social-media-ban-bill/?
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—
phone?
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—phone?
texts…
but this ban is stupid and not solving anything they claim to be.. again.. the problem isn’t the carriers of the abuse.. the problem is the abusers.
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—phone?
texts…
but this ban is stupid and not solving anything they claim to be.. again.. the problem isn’t the carriers of the abuse.. the problem is the abusers.
I think I am with you.
I think I would prefer to shut down some of the ugly stuff than to make life crap for the teens.
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—phone?
I immediately thought that, too.
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—phone?
texts…
but this ban is stupid and not solving anything they claim to be.. again.. the problem isn’t the carriers of the abuse.. the problem is the abusers.
it sort of reminds me of something that is going on up north of the state. young girl being bullied on bus. she is a good student and likes school. school won’t do anything about it coz it isn’t happening at school. bus service don’t care.as far as they are concerned everything is hunky dory. probably the bullied girl will leave school.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—phone?
I immediately thought that, too.
You need credit to make a call. You just need wifi for those other things…
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—phone?
texts…
but this ban is stupid and not solving anything they claim to be.. again.. the problem isn’t the carriers of the abuse.. the problem is the abusers.
I think it is absolutely stupid, and how are the companies supposed to confirm age? Credit card? Passport? Some kind of ID? Yes, lets give Google the keys to the door while we’re at it…
furious said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—phone?
I immediately thought that, too.
You need credit to make a call. You just need wifi for those other things…
I mean wifi calls are pretty common
furious said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—phone?
I immediately thought that, too.
You need credit to make a call. You just need wifi for those other things…
write a letter sheesh
furious said:
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—phone?
texts…
but this ban is stupid and not solving anything they claim to be.. again.. the problem isn’t the carriers of the abuse.. the problem is the abusers.
I think it is absolutely stupid, and how are the companies supposed to confirm age? Credit card? Passport? Some kind of ID? Yes, lets give Google the keys to the door while we’re at it…
security questions
dv said:
furious said:
Michael V said:I immediately thought that, too.
You need credit to make a call. You just need wifi for those other things…
I mean wifi calls are pretty common
maybe they can just use p2p instant messaging like yous all used to back in the good old days
dv said:
furious said:
Michael V said:I immediately thought that, too.
You need credit to make a call. You just need wifi for those other things…
I mean wifi calls are pretty common
Yeah, with an app…
furious said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—phone?
I immediately thought that, too.
You need credit to make a call. You just need wifi for those other things…
ah well back in our day you’d just meet up with the other people at the local shops or visit each other or something quaint and silly like that
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—
phone?
texts…
but this ban is stupid and not solving anything they claim to be.. again.. the problem isn’t the carriers of the abuse.. the problem is the abusers.
Does reducing access to high velocity projectile protecting devices, at least partially solve the problem of abusers seeking to carry out abuse by using high velocity projectile protecting devices¿
sarahs mum said:
One girl worried about how she would communicate with a friend at another school. “I only have Snapchat to talk to her,” she said.
—phone?
group comms tend not to be via text message and they really don’t call each other – snapchat is by far the platform of choice (or so seems to the base with our teen)
Anyway, surely letter writing is a social medium.
dv said:
Anyway, surely letter writing is a social medium.
so what we’re saying is that soon the only way that Australian minors can legally communicate with each other is by direct line of sight through a vacuum
dv said:
Anyway, surely letter writing is a social medium.
Yes but Aust post is less reliable than wifi in a shopping centre
dv said:
Anyway, surely letter writing is a social medium.
Umm, what happened to the whole “talking to each other” thing?
Arts said:
dv said:
Anyway, surely letter writing is a social medium.
Yes but Aust post is less reliable than wifi in a shopping centre
yous need to try McDonalds for the cleanest restrooms and fastest wireless internet in the world
Kingy said:
dv said:
Anyway, surely letter writing is a social medium.
Umm, what happened to the whole “talking to each other” thing?
Yeah. Meet you at the corner cafe. Kinda thing.
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
dv said:
Anyway, surely letter writing is a social medium.
Yes but Aust post is less reliable than wifi in a shopping centre
yous need to try McDonalds for the cleanest restrooms and fastest wireless internet in the world
I don’t need those things desperately enough to get me into a McDonalds.
Two empty tin cans and a New Thread
dv said:
Two empty tin cans and a New Thread
we used to just shout down the drains at school
LOL so all those scare tactics came to totally a lot
Under the laws, which won’t come into force for another 12 months, social media companies could be fined up to $50 million for failing to take “reasonable steps” to keep under 16s off their platforms. There are no penalties for young people or parents who flout the rules. Social media companies also won’t be able to force users to provide government identification, including the Digital ID, to assess their age. “Messaging apps,” “online gaming services” and “services with the primary purpose of supporting the health and education of end-users” will not fall under the ban, as well as sites like YouTube that do not require users to log in to access the platform.
oh wait guess nobody is young enough to remember when all these email and instant messaging services required users to be over 13 years old
ah shit that’s going to change to 16 well damn this is going to be impossible to manage
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Two empty tin cans and a New Thread
we used to just shout down the drains at school
Tap Morse code on the rails
dv said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
Two empty tin cans and a New Thread
we used to just shout down the drains at school
Tap Morse code on the rails
take up vaping and send smoke signals.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
Two empty tin cans and a New Thread
we used to just shout down the drains at school
Tap Morse code on the rails
That didn’t work so well with kids leaning on the rails between communicators.
Can go a long way on a rural wire fence.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:we used to just shout down the drains at school
Tap Morse code on the rails
take up vaping and send smoke signals.
Micorrhizal network
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:Tap Morse code on the rails
take up vaping and send smoke signals.
Micorrhizal network
myriads of ways really. kids these day have no imagination.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
Two empty tin cans and a New Thread
we used to just shout down the drains at school
Tap Morse code on the rails
Was aboard HMAS Brisbane, alongside HMAS Stalwart at Garden Island in Sydney.
Another destroyer was being reversed into position, to secure to the other side of Stalwart (Stalwart used to moor stern-on to the shore, bows pointing outwards).
I was standing next to a signalman, who began sending semaphore, just using his hands. A sailor on the other ship signalled back.
‘What was all that about?’, i asked.
‘We just arranged what time to meet up at the pub tonight’, he said.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:take up vaping and send smoke signals.
Micorrhizal network
myriads of ways really. kids these day have no imagination.
Yes. If only they were skilled at outdated methods of communication instead of the one they have grown up with all their life.
Arts said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:Micorrhizal network
myriads of ways really. kids these day have no imagination.
Yes. If only they were skilled at outdated methods of communication instead of the one they have grown up with all their life.
Us Ancients knew!
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
Bogsnorkler said:myriads of ways really. kids these day have no imagination.
Yes. If only they were skilled at outdated methods of communication instead of the one they have grown up with all their life.
Us Ancients knew!
Well we grew up with it all our lives.
Imagine if all you had was tik-tok?
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:Yes. If only they were skilled at outdated methods of communication instead of the one they have grown up with all their life.
Us Ancients knew!
Well we grew up with it all our lives.
Imagine if all you had was tik-tok?
we had Tic-Tac.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:Us Ancients knew!
Well we grew up with it all our lives.
Imagine if all you had was tik-tok?
we had Tic-Tac.
Ah. Racetrack semaphore. Fascinating to watch.
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:Yes. If only they were skilled at outdated methods of communication instead of the one they have grown up with all their life.
Us Ancients knew!
Well we grew up with it all our lives.
Imagine if all you had was tik-tok?
You’re just pissed that in your life you had to replace your record collection with cassettes. Replace that with CDs then replace that with buying mp3 to download. Only to finally pay an ongoing fee for streaming.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:Well we grew up with it all our lives.
Imagine if all you had was tik-tok?
we had Tic-Tac.
Ah. Racetrack semaphore. Fascinating to watch.
:)
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:Us Ancients knew!
Well we grew up with it all our lives.
Imagine if all you had was tik-tok?
You’re just pissed that in your life you had to replace your record collection with cassettes. Replace that with CDs then replace that with buying mp3 to download. Only to finally pay an ongoing fee for streaming.
Yep. Right on the button there. Then there were the Video tapes and DVD’s to iPods to stream it all or carry it around with you on your phone.
I think you guys probably just need to remember to chase out any under 16s that appear in here by mistake while looking for social interactions
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:Us Ancients knew!
Well we grew up with it all our lives.
Imagine if all you had was tik-tok?
You’re just pissed that in your life you had to replace your record collection with cassettes. Replace that with CDs then replace that with buying mp3 to download. Only to finally pay an ongoing fee for streaming.
Nope. Still got the records and CDs. Pity the amplifier and tuner broke down.
diddly-squat said:
I think you guys probably just need to remember to chase out any under 16s that appear in here by mistake while looking for social interactions
I’m old enough at 17 then?
Michael V said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:Well we grew up with it all our lives.
Imagine if all you had was tik-tok?
You’re just pissed that in your life you had to replace your record collection with cassettes. Replace that with CDs then replace that with buying mp3 to download. Only to finally pay an ongoing fee for streaming.
Nope. Still got the records and CDs. Pity the amplifier and tuner broke down.
diddly-squat said:
I think you guys probably just need to remember to chase out any under 16s that appear in here by mistake while looking for social interactions
Out you go, then. And as for poikilotherm…
Michael V said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:Well we grew up with it all our lives.
Imagine if all you had was tik-tok?
You’re just pissed that in your life you had to replace your record collection with cassettes. Replace that with CDs then replace that with buying mp3 to download. Only to finally pay an ongoing fee for streaming.
Nope. Still got the records and CDs. Pity the amplifier and tuner broke down.
I’ve still got all the vinyls. Doubt any of the half dozen turntables work properly. Still got floppy discs. Anyone want to install WIN 3.1?
The VHS players have all shit themselves.
Michael V said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:Well we grew up with it all our lives.
Imagine if all you had was tik-tok?
You’re just pissed that in your life you had to replace your record collection with cassettes. Replace that with CDs then replace that with buying mp3 to download. Only to finally pay an ongoing fee for streaming.
Nope. Still got the records and CDs. Pity the amplifier and tuner broke down.
I have a couple of spare amps.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Arts said:You’re just pissed that in your life you had to replace your record collection with cassettes. Replace that with CDs then replace that with buying mp3 to download. Only to finally pay an ongoing fee for streaming.
Nope. Still got the records and CDs. Pity the amplifier and tuner broke down.
I have a couple of spare amps.
Dozens of new laws will come into force after a late-night scramble by the government to tick off most of its to-do list in a single night.
There are a few things that didn’t survive the rush — election donations, a gambling ad ban, and a national environmental protection agency were the big policies left off the list.
But otherwise the government has given itself clear air to call an election in January, if it wants to.
By political reporter Jake Evans
Topic: ParliamentArts said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Micorrhizal network
myriads of ways really. kids these day have no imagination.
Yes. If only they were skilled at outdated methods of communication instead of the one they have grown up with all their life.
¿ speaking to someone in the same room as them ?
Gosh, Federal Parliament got a shitload of work done overnight.
ABC News:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/australian-laws-changed-overnight-whats-new/104662602
If they can get so much done in such a short time, it raises the question: are we giving them too much time to sit in the House and the Senate?
What if we change it, so that Parliament sits for only, say, five days, and they all have to work like fury to get everything done in that time?
Think ofthe savings…
captain_spalding said:
Gosh, Federal Parliament got a shitload of work done overnight.ABC News:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/australian-laws-changed-overnight-whats-new/104662602
If they can get so much done in such a short time, it raises the question: are we giving them too much time to sit in the House and the Senate?
What if we change it, so that Parliament sits for only, say, five days, and they all have to work like fury to get everything done in that time?
Think ofthe savings…
Ha!
sarahs mum said:
Is that from a far seeing seer? This summer being 2035.
captain_spalding said:
Gosh, Federal Parliament got a shitload of work done overnight.ABC News:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/australian-laws-changed-overnight-whats-new/104662602
If they can get so much done in such a short time, it raises the question: are we giving them too much time to sit in the House and the Senate?
What if we change it, so that Parliament sits for only, say, five days, and they all have to work like fury to get everything done in that time?
Think ofthe savings…
It’s more complicating passing bills than voting on them once and for all which is what they did yesterday.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Gosh, Federal Parliament got a shitload of work done overnight.ABC News:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/australian-laws-changed-overnight-whats-new/104662602
If they can get so much done in such a short time, it raises the question: are we giving them too much time to sit in the House and the Senate?
What if we change it, so that Parliament sits for only, say, five days, and they all have to work like fury to get everything done in that time?
Think ofthe savings…
It’s more complicating passing bills than voting on them once and for all which is what they did yesterday.
I was being facetial, Joyce.
But, what if we did give them less time to blather and dither and prevaricate over bills, and put a bit more pressure on them to get the bloody job done?
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Gosh, Federal Parliament got a shitload of work done overnight.ABC News:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/australian-laws-changed-overnight-whats-new/104662602
If they can get so much done in such a short time, it raises the question: are we giving them too much time to sit in the House and the Senate?
What if we change it, so that Parliament sits for only, say, five days, and they all have to work like fury to get everything done in that time?
Think ofthe savings…
It’s more complicating passing bills than voting on them once and for all which is what they did yesterday.
I was being facetial, Joyce.
But, what if we did give them less time to blather and dither and prevaricate over bills, and put a bit more pressure on them to get the bloody job done?
You want to pay politicians by the hour?
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s more complicating passing bills than voting on them once and for all which is what they did yesterday.
I was being facetial, Joyce.
But, what if we did give them less time to blather and dither and prevaricate over bills, and put a bit more pressure on them to get the bloody job done?
You want to pay politicians by the hour?
How about: lock them in the chambers, no toilet breaks until all business concluded?
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:I was being facetial, Joyce.
But, what if we did give them less time to blather and dither and prevaricate over bills, and put a bit more pressure on them to get the bloody job done?
You want to pay politicians by the hour?
How about: lock them in the chambers, no toilet breaks until all business concluded?
Lock the members bar too.
I mean, i hope those benches have been Scotchguarded.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:I was being facetial, Joyce.
But, what if we did give them less time to blather and dither and prevaricate over bills, and put a bit more pressure on them to get the bloody job done?
You want to pay politicians by the hour?
How about: lock them in the chambers, no toilet breaks until all business concluded?
What is the benefit of paying laws quickly?
captain_spalding said:
I mean, i hope those benches have been Scotchguarded.
No blacklights allowed
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You want to pay politicians by the hour?
How about: lock them in the chambers, no toilet breaks until all business concluded?
What is the benefit of paying laws quickly?
The public would see a way to save money on politicians.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You want to pay politicians by the hour?
How about: lock them in the chambers, no toilet breaks until all business concluded?
What is the benefit of paying laws quickly?
Just putting it out there.
As we’ve all heard at so many workplace meetings, “there are no silly ideas”.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:How about: lock them in the chambers, no toilet breaks until all business concluded?
What is the benefit of paying laws quickly?
The public would see a way to save money on politicians.
So you want to pay them only for time spent in Parliament?
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What is the benefit of paying laws quickly?
The public would see a way to save money on politicians.
So you want to pay them only for time spent in Parliament?
Only for passing laws quickly without all the name calling and bullshit.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What is the benefit of paying laws quickly?
The public would see a way to save money on politicians.
So you want to pay them only for time spent in Parliament?
No, of course not. They should be paid for the time when they’re working.
Most people get paid only for the time that they’re working.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:The public would see a way to save money on politicians.
So you want to pay them only for time spent in Parliament?
Only for passing laws quickly without all the name calling and bullshit.
So you want laws to be given less consideration? With less time to peruse laws fewer might be passed on the end.
I mean most of the commentary about yesterday is about the laws being passed too quickly, not to slowly.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:The public would see a way to save money on politicians.
So you want to pay them only for time spent in Parliament?
No, of course not. They should be paid for the time when they’re working.
Most people get paid only for the time that they’re working.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So you want to pay them only for time spent in Parliament?
No, of course not. They should be paid for the time when they’re working.
Most people get paid only for the time that they’re working.
All the politicians I know work far more than the 40 hours most people do. And time spent in Parliament isn’t the majority of this time.
And, they get paid for it. All is as it should be in that regard.
Now, let’s see about reconciling HAMAS and Israel…
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So you want to pay them only for time spent in Parliament?
Only for passing laws quickly without all the name calling and bullshit.
Question time is a very small amount of total parliamentary business.So you want laws to be given less consideration? With less time to peruse laws fewer might be passed on the end.
I mean most of the commentary about yesterday is about the laws being passed too quickly, not to slowly.
I wouldn’t call what they do in parliament, giving things consideration.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Only for passing laws quickly without all the name calling and bullshit.
Question time is a very small amount of total parliamentary business.So you want laws to be given less consideration? With less time to peruse laws fewer might be passed on the end.
I mean most of the commentary about yesterday is about the laws being passed too quickly, not to slowly.
I wouldn’t call what they do in parliament, giving things consideration.
You don’t seem to know much about how Parliament works.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Question time is a very small amount of total parliamentary business.
So you want laws to be given less consideration? With less time to peruse laws fewer might be passed on the end.
I mean most of the commentary about yesterday is about the laws being passed too quickly, not to slowly.
I wouldn’t call what they do in parliament, giving things consideration.
You don’t seem to know much about how Parliament works.
No. I only see them talk shit in question time.
Kids aren’t allowed to use ticroc and the like but it’s not enforceable, a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Question time is a very small amount of total parliamentary business.
So you want laws to be given less consideration? With less time to peruse laws fewer might be passed on the end.
I mean most of the commentary about yesterday is about the laws being passed too quickly, not to slowly.
I wouldn’t call what they do in parliament, giving things consideration.
You don’t seem to know much about how Parliament works.
^this
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Gosh, Federal Parliament got a shitload of work done overnight.ABC News:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/australian-laws-changed-overnight-whats-new/104662602
If they can get so much done in such a short time, it raises the question: are we giving them too much time to sit in the House and the Senate?
What if we change it, so that Parliament sits for only, say, five days, and they all have to work like fury to get everything done in that time?
Think ofthe savings…
Ha!
But parliamentary salaries are paid regardless of which bit of their work they are doing. Whether they are in the house/senate or in their electoral offices, they get paid the same.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Gosh, Federal Parliament got a shitload of work done overnight.ABC News:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/australian-laws-changed-overnight-whats-new/104662602
If they can get so much done in such a short time, it raises the question: are we giving them too much time to sit in the House and the Senate?
What if we change it, so that Parliament sits for only, say, five days, and they all have to work like fury to get everything done in that time?
Think ofthe savings…
Ha!
But parliamentary salaries are paid regardless of which bit of their work they are doing. Whether they are in the house/senate or in their electoral offices, they get paid the same.
But, they wouldn’t have to keep the lights on in Parliament House for so long throughout the year.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:Ha!
But parliamentary salaries are paid regardless of which bit of their work they are doing. Whether they are in the house/senate or in their electoral offices, they get paid the same.
But, they wouldn’t have to keep the lights on in Parliament House for so long throughout the year.
And we wouldn’t get ABC newsradio interrupted by childish twats squabbling about points of order.
Peak Warming Man said:
Kids aren’t allowed to use ticroc and the like but it’s not enforceable, a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
you mean to say all the outcry and whinging about infringement of freedoms was just bluster and bullshit
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Only for passing laws quickly without all the name calling and bullshit.
Question time is a very small amount of total parliamentary business.So you want laws to be given less consideration? With less time to peruse laws fewer might be passed on the end.
I mean most of the commentary about yesterday is about the laws being passed too quickly, not to slowly.
I wouldn’t call what they do in parliament, giving things consideration.
exactly, they could do it over an email chain or sit on Discord and have a sensible conversation
Renegade senator Fatima Payman delivers ‘oh shit’ moment for prime minister on green overhaul
Former Labor senator Fatima Payman has emerged as a key player in the collapse of a deal on environmental reforms.
As the Greens and Senator David Pocock prepared to announce a deal with the prime minister, the government realised it did not have Senator Payman’s support.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/fatima-payman-helped-sink-key-environmental-laws/104664940
dv said:
Renegade senator Fatima Payman delivers ‘oh shit’ moment for prime minister on green overhaul
Former Labor senator Fatima Payman has emerged as a key player in the collapse of a deal on environmental reforms.
As the Greens and Senator David Pocock prepared to announce a deal with the prime minister, the government realised it did not have Senator Payman’s support.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/fatima-payman-helped-sink-key-environmental-laws/104664940
Is Environmental Terrorism A Form Of Terrorism
Peak Warming Man said:
Kids aren’t allowed to use ticroc and the like but it’s not enforceable, a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
how about synroc
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Kids aren’t allowed to use ticroc and the like but it’s not enforceable, a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
how about synroc
bipoc
the 2PP polling average is tied, and now Albanese only leads Dutton by 7% in the preferred PM polling average. This is down from 12% in May.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Kids aren’t allowed to use ticroc and the like but it’s not enforceable, a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
how about synroc
Talk to ANSTO about that.
dv said:
Renegade senator Fatima Payman delivers ‘oh shit’ moment for prime minister on green overhaulFormer Labor senator Fatima Payman has emerged as a key player in the collapse of a deal on environmental reforms.
As the Greens and Senator David Pocock prepared to announce a deal with the prime minister, the government realised it did not have Senator Payman’s support.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/fatima-payman-helped-sink-key-environmental-laws/104664940
Apparently, Senator Fayman has a mining industry lobbyist as non-rent-paying tenant in her office.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Renegade senator Fatima Payman delivers ‘oh shit’ moment for prime minister on green overhaulFormer Labor senator Fatima Payman has emerged as a key player in the collapse of a deal on environmental reforms.
As the Greens and Senator David Pocock prepared to announce a deal with the prime minister, the government realised it did not have Senator Payman’s support.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/fatima-payman-helped-sink-key-environmental-laws/104664940
Apparently, Senator Fayman has a mining industry lobbyist as non-rent-paying tenant in her office.
Or maybe the lobbyist is paying rent, of some sort.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Kids aren’t allowed to use ticroc and the like but it’s not enforceable, a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
how about synroc
That’ll keep ‘em out of trouble for a long time.
dv said:
the 2PP polling average is tied, and now Albanese only leads Dutton by 7% in the preferred PM polling average. This is down from 12% in May.
Can we hope for Dutton to do something ill-advised?
For many National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS) participants, a federal government decision means they can no longer access sexual services funding under the system, or they could risk financial pressure.
Sydneysider Oliver Morton-Evans says this decision has been “deeply disappointing” for many who live with a disability, including himself.
“Now, only those who are financially well-off in the disability community can afford this service by paying out of pocket,” he said.
One of the most common stereotypes that Mr Morton-Evans comes up against is the assumption that people with a disability aren’t sexual beings.
What he knows firsthand though is that intimacy and sex can be integral to identity and happiness for all humans.
more….
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/ndis-sex-work-ban-impact-for-people-with-disabilities/104469526
——
I’m more pissed that art therapy is out.
I’d be pissed if I had studied art and psychology and run up a hecs debt. It’s not even so much about art expression. it’s about communication. getting sufferers to open up and such.
Hey these traditional nonsocial medias really flip quick don’t they
just pass a freedom infringing law in a mad rush and all of a sudden they go from whinging about bans to singing their high praise¿¡
Coalition frontbencher says voters conned into backing independents
By Shane Wright
December 1, 2024 — 8.00pm
A senior Coalition MP has attacked the teal independents as a “giant green con job” who managed to dupe traditional Liberal voters as Anthony Albanese signalled next year’s poll would be later rather than sooner.
Opposition communications spokesman Paul Fletcher, who suffered a major scare at the last election from an independent, will use a speech on Monday to argue it was a “deliberate plan” by the teals to put up the daughter and niece of long-term Liberal MPs as part of their effort to win.
Despite opinion polls putting the Coalition either marginally in front or on a par with Labor, most electoral analysts believe Peter Dutton will struggle to form a majority government at the next election due to the loss of seats such as Wentworth, Goldstein and Curtin to independents.
Fletcher suffered a 15.3 per cent drop in his primary vote in 2022 as his seat of Bradfield, in Sydney’s northern suburbs, went to preferences for the first time in its history.
Independent Nicolette Boele claimed more than 20 per cent of the primary vote. She announced last month she would stand again in Bradfield, where a recent redistribution has reduced Fletcher’s margin from 4.2 per cent to 2.5 per cent.
In a speech to be delivered to the Sydney Institute on Monday night, Fletcher will accuse the teals of being part of a tradition of front groups created by “left-wing political operatives” whose sole aim was to lure voters away from the Liberal Party by “tricking voters about their bona fides”.
Fletcher will say that at the 2022 election, teal independents targeted Liberal-held electorates but made no such effort to go after Labor seats.
This extended to installing candidates with Liberal ties including Allegra Spender, daughter of former Liberal MP John Spender, who won the seat of Wentworth, and Kate Chaney, whose family has ties to the Liberal Party going back to the Menzies government and who won the West Australian seat of Curtin.
“Every aspect of the teal campaign was carefully designed to dupe traditional Liberal voters,” Fletcher will say.
“Is it a coincidence that in a third of the new seats they won in 2022, the teal candidate was the daughter or niece of a long-time Liberal MP, with the same last name? Of course it is not a coincidence: it was part of a deliberate plan.
“The strategy was clear: to appeal to traditional Liberal voters who would never vote Labor but who were disenfranchised with the Coalition after some tough years of COVID and all its consequences.”
Fletcher will say that voters know what they are getting with a majority government, be it Liberal or Labor, but the arrival of independents into the parliament had led to chaotic processes and abrupt changes in policy direction.
“Majority government is a good thing for Australia – and the teals constitute the most serious threat to majority government in 80 years. The stability of the two-party system is a good thing,” he will say.
“It has delivered many benefits to Australia. Stable majority government is a foundational requirement for achieving any serious reform and advancing our nation’s prosperity.”
Albanese, who has declared Labor is the only party capable of forming a majority government, said on Sunday that he was yet to set an election date. While the next election can constitutionally be held as late as August, late May would mark three years since the 2022 poll.
The prime minister told ABC’s Insiders program his intention remained for parliament to return in February with several pieces of legislation, including electoral reform, still on the government’s agenda.
“I foreshadowed the whole way through … I’ve spoken about 2025 as being the election year. So we’ve got a bit of time,” Albanese said.
Last week, this masthead revealed Albanese had intervened to scupper a deal with the Greens to create Australia’s first national environment protection agency.
He addressed business concerns, particularly in the mining state of WA, over the plan but circumvented Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek, who had been working on the deal.
Albanese on Sunday denied being party to a draft agreement or not informing Plibersek, saying he had been negotiating across the parliament on all 45 bills eventually passed.
He said suggestions from the Greens that the proposed agency would give the environment minister the ability to block native forests from logging were wrong.
“I don’t accept that because I was there, and we know things that were put aside and in the agreements that were done between myself as the prime minister and the minor parties across the board – we agreed on most things, but on some things we didn’t,” he said.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-frontbencher-says-voters-conned-into-backing-independents-20241201-p5kuw4.html
See ¡ Told Yous ¡ If You Ban Children From Traditional 2010-Style Social Mediums Then Criminals Will Just Abuse Children On Newer Mediums ¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-02/roblox-9-year-old-child-targeted-by-sexual-predator/104659312
Anyway, Looks Like Every Yuipster Will Be Able To Have Their Own House Soon ¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-02/house-prices-rise-marginally-in-november-corelogic/104664794
oh wait they haven’t priced in the zero deposit plans that yousr government are about to drop in
SCIENCE said:
See ¡ Told Yous ¡ If You Ban Children From Traditional 2010-Style Social Mediums Then Criminals Will Just Abuse Children On Newer Mediums ¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-02/roblox-9-year-old-child-targeted-by-sexual-predator/104659312
erk!
Witty Rejoinder said:
Coalition frontbencher says voters conned into backing independentsBy Shane Wright
December 1, 2024 — 8.00pmA senior Coalition MP has attacked the teal independents as a “giant green con job” who managed to dupe traditional Liberal voters as Anthony Albanese signalled next year’s poll would be later rather than sooner.
Opposition communications spokesman Paul Fletcher, who suffered a major scare at the last election from an independent, will use a speech on Monday to argue it was a “deliberate plan” by the teals to put up the daughter and niece of long-term Liberal MPs as part of their effort to win.
Despite opinion polls putting the Coalition either marginally in front or on a par with Labor, most electoral analysts believe Peter Dutton will struggle to form a majority government at the next election due to the loss of seats such as Wentworth, Goldstein and Curtin to independents.
Fletcher suffered a 15.3 per cent drop in his primary vote in 2022 as his seat of Bradfield, in Sydney’s northern suburbs, went to preferences for the first time in its history.
Independent Nicolette Boele claimed more than 20 per cent of the primary vote. She announced last month she would stand again in Bradfield, where a recent redistribution has reduced Fletcher’s margin from 4.2 per cent to 2.5 per cent.
In a speech to be delivered to the Sydney Institute on Monday night, Fletcher will accuse the teals of being part of a tradition of front groups created by “left-wing political operatives” whose sole aim was to lure voters away from the Liberal Party by “tricking voters about their bona fides”.
Fletcher will say that at the 2022 election, teal independents targeted Liberal-held electorates but made no such effort to go after Labor seats.
This extended to installing candidates with Liberal ties including Allegra Spender, daughter of former Liberal MP John Spender, who won the seat of Wentworth, and Kate Chaney, whose family has ties to the Liberal Party going back to the Menzies government and who won the West Australian seat of Curtin.
“Every aspect of the teal campaign was carefully designed to dupe traditional Liberal voters,” Fletcher will say.
“Is it a coincidence that in a third of the new seats they won in 2022, the teal candidate was the daughter or niece of a long-time Liberal MP, with the same last name? Of course it is not a coincidence: it was part of a deliberate plan.
“The strategy was clear: to appeal to traditional Liberal voters who would never vote Labor but who were disenfranchised with the Coalition after some tough years of COVID and all its consequences.”
Fletcher will say that voters know what they are getting with a majority government, be it Liberal or Labor, but the arrival of independents into the parliament had led to chaotic processes and abrupt changes in policy direction.
“Majority government is a good thing for Australia – and the teals constitute the most serious threat to majority government in 80 years. The stability of the two-party system is a good thing,” he will say.
“It has delivered many benefits to Australia. Stable majority government is a foundational requirement for achieving any serious reform and advancing our nation’s prosperity.”
Albanese, who has declared Labor is the only party capable of forming a majority government, said on Sunday that he was yet to set an election date. While the next election can constitutionally be held as late as August, late May would mark three years since the 2022 poll.
The prime minister told ABC’s Insiders program his intention remained for parliament to return in February with several pieces of legislation, including electoral reform, still on the government’s agenda.
“I foreshadowed the whole way through … I’ve spoken about 2025 as being the election year. So we’ve got a bit of time,” Albanese said.
Last week, this masthead revealed Albanese had intervened to scupper a deal with the Greens to create Australia’s first national environment protection agency.
He addressed business concerns, particularly in the mining state of WA, over the plan but circumvented Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek, who had been working on the deal.
Albanese on Sunday denied being party to a draft agreement or not informing Plibersek, saying he had been negotiating across the parliament on all 45 bills eventually passed.
He said suggestions from the Greens that the proposed agency would give the environment minister the ability to block native forests from logging were wrong.
“I don’t accept that because I was there, and we know things that were put aside and in the agreements that were done between myself as the prime minister and the minor parties across the board – we agreed on most things, but on some things we didn’t,” he said.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-frontbencher-says-voters-conned-into-backing-independents-20241201-p5kuw4.html
lol that unnamed MP may want some cheese with that whine
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Coalition frontbencher says voters conned into backing independentsBy Shane Wright
December 1, 2024 — 8.00pmA senior Coalition MP has attacked the teal independents as a “giant green con job” who managed to dupe traditional Liberal voters as Anthony Albanese signalled next year’s poll would be later rather than sooner.
Opposition communications spokesman Paul Fletcher, who suffered a major scare at the last election from an independent, will use a speech on Monday to argue it was a “deliberate plan” by the teals to put up the daughter and niece of long-term Liberal MPs as part of their effort to win.
Despite opinion polls putting the Coalition either marginally in front or on a par with Labor, most electoral analysts believe Peter Dutton will struggle to form a majority government at the next election due to the loss of seats such as Wentworth, Goldstein and Curtin to independents.
Fletcher suffered a 15.3 per cent drop in his primary vote in 2022 as his seat of Bradfield, in Sydney’s northern suburbs, went to preferences for the first time in its history.
Independent Nicolette Boele claimed more than 20 per cent of the primary vote. She announced last month she would stand again in Bradfield, where a recent redistribution has reduced Fletcher’s margin from 4.2 per cent to 2.5 per cent.
In a speech to be delivered to the Sydney Institute on Monday night, Fletcher will accuse the teals of being part of a tradition of front groups created by “left-wing political operatives” whose sole aim was to lure voters away from the Liberal Party by “tricking voters about their bona fides”.
Fletcher will say that at the 2022 election, teal independents targeted Liberal-held electorates but made no such effort to go after Labor seats.
This extended to installing candidates with Liberal ties including Allegra Spender, daughter of former Liberal MP John Spender, who won the seat of Wentworth, and Kate Chaney, whose family has ties to the Liberal Party going back to the Menzies government and who won the West Australian seat of Curtin.
“Every aspect of the teal campaign was carefully designed to dupe traditional Liberal voters,” Fletcher will say.
“Is it a coincidence that in a third of the new seats they won in 2022, the teal candidate was the daughter or niece of a long-time Liberal MP, with the same last name? Of course it is not a coincidence: it was part of a deliberate plan.
“The strategy was clear: to appeal to traditional Liberal voters who would never vote Labor but who were disenfranchised with the Coalition after some tough years of COVID and all its consequences.”
Fletcher will say that voters know what they are getting with a majority government, be it Liberal or Labor, but the arrival of independents into the parliament had led to chaotic processes and abrupt changes in policy direction.
“Majority government is a good thing for Australia – and the teals constitute the most serious threat to majority government in 80 years. The stability of the two-party system is a good thing,” he will say.
“It has delivered many benefits to Australia. Stable majority government is a foundational requirement for achieving any serious reform and advancing our nation’s prosperity.”
Albanese, who has declared Labor is the only party capable of forming a majority government, said on Sunday that he was yet to set an election date. While the next election can constitutionally be held as late as August, late May would mark three years since the 2022 poll.
The prime minister told ABC’s Insiders program his intention remained for parliament to return in February with several pieces of legislation, including electoral reform, still on the government’s agenda.
“I foreshadowed the whole way through … I’ve spoken about 2025 as being the election year. So we’ve got a bit of time,” Albanese said.
Last week, this masthead revealed Albanese had intervened to scupper a deal with the Greens to create Australia’s first national environment protection agency.
He addressed business concerns, particularly in the mining state of WA, over the plan but circumvented Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek, who had been working on the deal.
Albanese on Sunday denied being party to a draft agreement or not informing Plibersek, saying he had been negotiating across the parliament on all 45 bills eventually passed.
He said suggestions from the Greens that the proposed agency would give the environment minister the ability to block native forests from logging were wrong.
“I don’t accept that because I was there, and we know things that were put aside and in the agreements that were done between myself as the prime minister and the minor parties across the board – we agreed on most things, but on some things we didn’t,” he said.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-frontbencher-says-voters-conned-into-backing-independents-20241201-p5kuw4.html
lol that unnamed MP may want some cheese with that whine
And apparently he considers his own voters to be gullible. Or something. They don’t know what they are doing…
