Probably put them in homes?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-28/brisbane-city-council-fails-to-back-up-homeless-violence-claims/104650116

roughbarked said:

Probably put them in homes?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-28/brisbane-city-council-fails-to-back-up-homeless-violence-claims/104650116

What to do about the violence amongst the homeless?

It’s a valid question.

These figures show that the level of violence among the homeless appears to be decreasing.

I suggest that guns and ammunition should be left where homeless people can easily find them. Knives and axes, at least.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Probably put them in homes?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-28/brisbane-city-council-fails-to-back-up-homeless-violence-claims/104650116

What to do about the violence amongst the homeless?

It’s a valid question.

These figures show that the level of violence among the homeless appears to be decreasing.

I suggest that guns and ammunition should be left where homeless people can easily find them. Knives and axes, at least.

Not a lot of bricks laying about?

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Probably put them in homes?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-28/brisbane-city-council-fails-to-back-up-homeless-violence-claims/104650116

What to do about the violence amongst the homeless?

It’s a valid question.

These figures show that the level of violence among the homeless appears to be decreasing.

I suggest that guns and ammunition should be left where homeless people can easily find them. Knives and axes, at least.

Not a lot of bricks laying about?

Not even a lot of bricklaying about.

Homeless people are more often the victim of violent crime than the perpetrators. I hope one day the political class can get past this cheap and easy scapegoating.

dv said:

Homeless people are more often the victim of violent crime than the perpetrators. I hope one day the political class can get past this cheap and easy scapegoating.

In Qld?

some of the comments in this thread are despicable.

Arts said:

some of the comments in this thread are despicable.

Well, i was not very adept with my sarcasm.

I’m sure that Brisbane City Council is very disappointed to learn that the homeless are not rampaging on a violent crime spree, and that the Council will now have to find some new scapegoats. Unlessthey can find a way of gettingthe homeless to be more violent.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Homeless people are more often the victim of violent crime than the perpetrators. I hope one day the political class can get past this cheap and easy scapegoating.

In Qld?

Well I don’t know about in Qld. I’m involved in an organisation in WA.

give them a virtual space

Didn’t we discuss this years ago when homeless unemployed were given fully furnished units in New York was it?

roughbarked said:

Didn’t we discuss this years ago when homeless unemployed were given fully furnished units in New York was it?

I don’t recall that happening in NY…

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Didn’t we discuss this years ago when homeless unemployed were given fully furnished units in New York was it?

I don’t recall that happening in NY…

Somewhere over there.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Didn’t we discuss this years ago when homeless unemployed were given fully furnished units in New York was it?

I don’t recall that happening in NY…

Somewhere over there.

Helsinki

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I don’t recall that happening in NY…

Somewhere over there.

Helsinki

Nah it was in The USA or Canada maybe.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Probably put them in homes?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-28/brisbane-city-council-fails-to-back-up-homeless-violence-claims/104650116

What to do about the violence amongst the homeless?

It’s a valid question.

These figures show that the level of violence among the homeless appears to be decreasing.

I suggest that guns and ammunition should be left where homeless people can easily find them. Knives and axes, at least.

https://youtu.be/FYxZcuoLayQ?t=86

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Probably put them in homes?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-28/brisbane-city-council-fails-to-back-up-homeless-violence-claims/104650116

What to do about the violence amongst the homeless?

It’s a valid question.

These figures show that the level of violence among the homeless appears to be decreasing.

I suggest that guns and ammunition should be left where homeless people can easily find them. Knives and axes, at least.

I’d be more partial to DIY weapons eg scaffolding pipes, timber with nails hammered through the top to go all medieval on their arse. Take a phone with you and put it up on tik tok people love watching fighting hobos

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

some of the comments in this thread are despicable.

Well, i was not very adept with my sarcasm.

I’m sure that Brisbane City Council is very disappointed to learn that the homeless are not rampaging on a violent crime spree, and that the Council will now have to find some new scapegoats. Unlessthey can find a way of gettingthe homeless to be more violent.

Challenge accepted

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Somewhere over there.

Helsinki

Nah it was in The USA or Canada maybe.

This?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathways_to_Housing

In a widely cited article entitled Pathways to Housing, published in 2000, Tsemberis and Eisenberg reported on a study undertaken from 1993 to 1997 examining the effectiveness of a five-year (1993-1997) Pathways to Housing supported housing program on 242 clients with severe psychiatric disabilities and addictions in New York City. During that time Pathways to Housing NY provided “immediate access to independent scatter-site apartments for individuals with psychiatric disabilities who were homeless and living on the street.” With an 88 percent retention rate, the “supported housing program achieved better housing tenure than did the comparison group.”

By 2007 Pathways to Housing NY had an annual operating budget of $15M and was funded by grants from city, state and federal government, individual contributions, foundation grants and corporate support. By 2012 Pathways to Housing had successfully housed over 3,000 people with 85–90% retention since 2002.[

esselte said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Helsinki

Nah it was in The USA or Canada maybe.

This?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathways_to_Housing

In a widely cited article entitled Pathways to Housing, published in 2000, Tsemberis and Eisenberg reported on a study undertaken from 1993 to 1997 examining the effectiveness of a five-year (1993-1997) Pathways to Housing supported housing program on 242 clients with severe psychiatric disabilities and addictions in New York City. During that time Pathways to Housing NY provided “immediate access to independent scatter-site apartments for individuals with psychiatric disabilities who were homeless and living on the street.” With an 88 percent retention rate, the “supported housing program achieved better housing tenure than did the comparison group.”

By 2007 Pathways to Housing NY had an annual operating budget of $15M and was funded by grants from city, state and federal government, individual contributions, foundation grants and corporate support. By 2012 Pathways to Housing had successfully housed over 3,000 people with 85–90% retention since 2002.

Yes. I do believe that was the one.

roughbarked said:

esselte said:

roughbarked said:

Nah it was in The USA or Canada maybe.

This?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathways_to_Housing

In a widely cited article entitled Pathways to Housing, published in 2000, Tsemberis and Eisenberg reported on a study undertaken from 1993 to 1997 examining the effectiveness of a five-year (1993-1997) Pathways to Housing supported housing program on 242 clients with severe psychiatric disabilities and addictions in New York City. During that time Pathways to Housing NY provided “immediate access to independent scatter-site apartments for individuals with psychiatric disabilities who were homeless and living on the street.” With an 88 percent retention rate, the “supported housing program achieved better housing tenure than did the comparison group.”

By 2007 Pathways to Housing NY had an annual operating budget of $15M and was funded by grants from city, state and federal government, individual contributions, foundation grants and corporate support. By 2012 Pathways to Housing had successfully housed over 3,000 people with 85–90% retention since 2002.

Yes. I do believe that was the one.

OOps.
Yes. I do believe that was the one.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

esselte said:

This?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathways_to_Housing

In a widely cited article entitled Pathways to Housing, published in 2000, Tsemberis and Eisenberg reported on a study undertaken from 1993 to 1997 examining the effectiveness of a five-year (1993-1997) Pathways to Housing supported housing program on 242 clients with severe psychiatric disabilities and addictions in New York City. During that time Pathways to Housing NY provided “immediate access to independent scatter-site apartments for individuals with psychiatric disabilities who were homeless and living on the street.” With an 88 percent retention rate, the “supported housing program achieved better housing tenure than did the comparison group.”

By 2007 Pathways to Housing NY had an annual operating budget of $15M and was funded by grants from city, state and federal government, individual contributions, foundation grants and corporate support. By 2012 Pathways to Housing had successfully housed over 3,000 people with 85–90% retention since 2002.

Yes. I do believe that was the one.

OOps.
Yes. I do believe that was the one.

What reason would people have to attack the homeless?

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. I do believe that was the one.

OOps.
Yes. I do believe that was the one.

What reason would people have to attack the homeless?

Why did Hitler kick the jews and make them homeless.
Why does Israel kick the Palestinians off their land and kill as many as they can
Same in Lebanon.

It goes on and on. Keck the defenseless burn the witches, take their land.

Tamb said:

What reason would people have to attack the homeless?

Depends on who you mean by ‘people’, andwhat you mean by ‘attack’.

Politicians like to attack them because they’re easily visible on the streets, widely considered to be ‘an eyesore’, and viewed with suspicion as desperate people who might commit crimes. Politicians can paint them as lazy, shiftless, unwilling to help themselves, underserving of help, a target to be pursued and punished and made to see the error of their ways, while the same politicians can present themselves as protectors of the decent, hard-working citizenry, and ‘tough on crime’.

For some other people, it’s more of an instinctive and atavistic fear of the unknown, of ‘the others’, of the future. They see the homeless as something that they don’t understand, and therefore as something to be feared, and ‘dealt with’, lest it become a threat to themselves. So, they might resort to direct and physical attacks.

And fear of the future. They may see the homeless as a portent of what could happen to them in the future, and it frightens them, so they want to put it out of sight, out of mind, and drive it away.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

What reason would people have to attack the homeless?

Depends on who you mean by ‘people’, andwhat you mean by ‘attack’.

Politicians like to attack them because they’re easily visible on the streets, widely considered to be ‘an eyesore’, and viewed with suspicion as desperate people who might commit crimes. Politicians can paint them as lazy, shiftless, unwilling to help themselves, underserving of help, a target to be pursued and punished and made to see the error of their ways, while the same politicians can present themselves as protectors of the decent, hard-working citizenry, and ‘tough on crime’.

For some other people, it’s more of an instinctive and atavistic fear of the unknown, of ‘the others’, of the future. They see the homeless as something that they don’t understand, and therefore as something to be feared, and ‘dealt with’, lest it become a threat to themselves. So, they might resort to direct and physical attacks.

And fear of the future. They may see the homeless as a portent of what could happen to them in the future, and it frightens them, so they want to put it out of sight, out of mind, and drive it away.

I have seen the opposite, people helping them.
Buying them food and drinks
Seemingly random people just stop and ask or even just leave bags of food.

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

What reason would people have to attack the homeless?

Depends on who you mean by ‘people’, andwhat you mean by ‘attack’.

Politicians like to attack them because they’re easily visible on the streets, widely considered to be ‘an eyesore’, and viewed with suspicion as desperate people who might commit crimes. Politicians can paint them as lazy, shiftless, unwilling to help themselves, underserving of help, a target to be pursued and punished and made to see the error of their ways, while the same politicians can present themselves as protectors of the decent, hard-working citizenry, and ‘tough on crime’.

For some other people, it’s more of an instinctive and atavistic fear of the unknown, of ‘the others’, of the future. They see the homeless as something that they don’t understand, and therefore as something to be feared, and ‘dealt with’, lest it become a threat to themselves. So, they might resort to direct and physical attacks.

And fear of the future. They may see the homeless as a portent of what could happen to them in the future, and it frightens them, so they want to put it out of sight, out of mind, and drive it away.

I have seen the opposite, people helping them.
Buying them food and drinks
Seemingly random people just stop and ask or even just leave bags of food.

A prestigious boarding school in Brisbane fed homeless people several mornings a week. They had a bus, a couple of barbecues and some tables. Sausage, egg, onion, tomato and lettuce sandwiches were the go. Mrs V’s rotary club took on the job during the school holidays. I cooked huge amounts of sausages and eggs.