Among the crush of bills passed in the last days of parliament was one banning non-citizens in detention from using mobile phones. The bill passed with support from the Coalition.

The Greens immigration spokesperson, David Shoebridge, said the reintroduction of “tweaked Dutton-era legislation that Labor voted against four years ago says everything you need to know about the Albanese government”.

“There are four separate anti-immigration attacks from Labor before parliament right now: the phone ban bill, the detention and third country deportation bill, a bill to remove rights for administrative law challenges, and the now-stalled travel ban and deportation bill from March.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/nov/21/labor-to-confiscate-phones-from-non-citizens-in-immigration-detention-in-new-bill-ntwnfb

Priya Nadesalingam has decried the move.

“It would have been impossible to do anything if I didn’t have access to my phone ,” she told Guardian Australia.

“It was because of the phone that I was able to find my way back to Biloela, it was how I was able to maintain contact with supports and lawyers, and to let people know my daughter needed to be hospitalised.

“We needed phones to effectively communicate with our lawyers, especially as some things happened very quickly.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/nov/28/priya-nadesalingam-hits-out-at-migration-bill-saying-biloela-return-impossible-without-mobile-phone

The Bill includes protections that require any detainee to have some alternative means of contacting lawyers.

Madness:

How Australian workers’ superannuation is funding new housing and property developments overseas

Australians’ hard-earned money is funding the construction of a mammoth “new town centre” development in London and helping to meet the city’s housing shortage.

The enormous Canada Water project promises 3,000 net-zero homes, office spaces for 20,000 workers and a lush retail precinct and it’s just an example of international projects Australian superannuation funds are investing in.

AustralianSuper, the country’s largest fund, is funnelling hundreds of millions of dollars into the development in the vibrant up-and-coming area at the same time there’s a need for the same kind of investment to plug the housing crisis at home.

Bubblecar said:

Madness:

How Australian workers’ superannuation is funding new housing and property developments overseas

Australians’ hard-earned money is funding the construction of a mammoth “new town centre” development in London and helping to meet the city’s housing shortage.

The enormous Canada Water project promises 3,000 net-zero homes, office spaces for 20,000 workers and a lush retail precinct and it’s just an example of international projects Australian superannuation funds are investing in.

AustralianSuper, the country’s largest fund, is funnelling hundreds of millions of dollars into the development in the vibrant up-and-coming area at the same time there’s a need for the same kind of investment to plug the housing crisis at home.

investment implies return so all good

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Madness:

How Australian workers’ superannuation is funding new housing and property developments overseas

Australians’ hard-earned money is funding the construction of a mammoth “new town centre” development in London and helping to meet the city’s housing shortage.

The enormous Canada Water project promises 3,000 net-zero homes, office spaces for 20,000 workers and a lush retail precinct and it’s just an example of international projects Australian superannuation funds are investing in.

AustralianSuper, the country’s largest fund, is funnelling hundreds of millions of dollars into the development in the vibrant up-and-coming area at the same time there’s a need for the same kind of investment to plug the housing crisis at home.

investment implies return so all good

Make a lot more sense to invest Australian money in much-needed Australian housing.

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Madness:

How Australian workers’ superannuation is funding new housing and property developments overseas

Australians’ hard-earned money is funding the construction of a mammoth “new town centre” development in London and helping to meet the city’s housing shortage.

The enormous Canada Water project promises 3,000 net-zero homes, office spaces for 20,000 workers and a lush retail precinct and it’s just an example of international projects Australian superannuation funds are investing in.

AustralianSuper, the country’s largest fund, is funnelling hundreds of millions of dollars into the development in the vibrant up-and-coming area at the same time there’s a need for the same kind of investment to plug the housing crisis at home.

investment implies return so all good

speaking of

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-01/future-fund-invests-weapons-arms-aerospace-manufacturers/104665338

For example, do they know the Future Fund currently holds more than half a billion dollars worth of shares in weapons manufacturers and war-related companies, and that the value of many of those shares has increased dramatically in the last year, helping to support the fund’s financial “performance”?

now tell us how half a billion dollars compares to 400 billion dollars invested in non-existent submarines

wait there’s more in the article about Palantir Technologies and the growing capitalist surveillance state but nah we should be happy and smiling

Maintain the rage.

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Madness:

How Australian workers’ superannuation is funding new housing and property developments overseas

Australians’ hard-earned money is funding the construction of a mammoth “new town centre” development in London and helping to meet the city’s housing shortage.

The enormous Canada Water project promises 3,000 net-zero homes, office spaces for 20,000 workers and a lush retail precinct and it’s just an example of international projects Australian superannuation funds are investing in.

AustralianSuper, the country’s largest fund, is funnelling hundreds of millions of dollars into the development in the vibrant up-and-coming area at the same time there’s a need for the same kind of investment to plug the housing crisis at home.

investment implies return so all good

Make a lot more sense to invest Australian money in much-needed Australian housing.

maybe they think there’s no return in that

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Madness:

How Australian workers’ superannuation is funding new housing and property developments overseas

Australians’ hard-earned money is funding the construction of a mammoth “new town centre” development in London and helping to meet the city’s housing shortage.

The enormous Canada Water project promises 3,000 net-zero homes, office spaces for 20,000 workers and a lush retail precinct and it’s just an example of international projects Australian superannuation funds are investing in.

AustralianSuper, the country’s largest fund, is funnelling hundreds of millions of dollars into the development in the vibrant up-and-coming area at the same time there’s a need for the same kind of investment to plug the housing crisis at home.

investment implies return so all good

Make a lot more sense to invest Australian money in much-needed Australian housing.

I’m sure they’ve probably got investments in housing developments in Australia too. But they’ll tell you its their job to invest the money of behalf of their account holders in such a way that diversifies risk, so having some overseas investments is probably a good idea.

disclaimer: I am an account holder with Australian Super.

dv said:

Among the crush of bills passed in the last days of parliament was one banning non-citizens in detention from using mobile phones. The bill passed with support from the Coalition.

The Greens immigration spokesperson, David Shoebridge, said the reintroduction of “tweaked Dutton-era legislation that Labor voted against four years ago says everything you need to know about the Albanese government”.

“There are four separate anti-immigration attacks from Labor before parliament right now: the phone ban bill, the detention and third country deportation bill, a bill to remove rights for administrative law challenges, and the now-stalled travel ban and deportation bill from March.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/nov/21/labor-to-confiscate-phones-from-non-citizens-in-immigration-detention-in-new-bill-ntwnfb

Priya Nadesalingam has decried the move.

“It would have been impossible to do anything if I didn’t have access to my phone ,” she told Guardian Australia.

“It was because of the phone that I was able to find my way back to Biloela, it was how I was able to maintain contact with supports and lawyers, and to let people know my daughter needed to be hospitalised.

“We needed phones to effectively communicate with our lawyers, especially as some things happened very quickly.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/nov/28/priya-nadesalingam-hits-out-at-migration-bill-saying-biloela-return-impossible-without-mobile-phone

The Bill includes protections that require any detainee to have some alternative means of contacting lawyers.

Bloody!

Can I get aboard the outrage bus?

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

investment implies return so all good

Make a lot more sense to invest Australian money in much-needed Australian housing.

I’m sure they’ve probably got investments in housing developments in Australia too. But they’ll tell you its their job to invest the money of behalf of their account holders in such a way that diversifies risk, so having some overseas investments is probably a good idea.

disclaimer: I am an account holder with Australian Super.

Yes, just another diversion from the real problem which is that governments are not spending enough on providing low-cost housing.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

investment implies return so all good

Make a lot more sense to invest Australian money in much-needed Australian housing.

I’m sure they’ve probably got investments in housing developments in Australia too. But they’ll tell you its their job to invest the money of behalf of their account holders in such a way that diversifies risk, so having some overseas investments is probably a good idea.

disclaimer: I am an account holder with Australian Super.

The chaps in The City will look after our money.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Make a lot more sense to invest Australian money in much-needed Australian housing.

I’m sure they’ve probably got investments in housing developments in Australia too. But they’ll tell you its their job to invest the money of behalf of their account holders in such a way that diversifies risk, so having some overseas investments is probably a good idea.

disclaimer: I am an account holder with Australian Super.

The chaps in The City will look after our money.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6mi5wx

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

I’m sure they’ve probably got investments in housing developments in Australia too. But they’ll tell you its their job to invest the money of behalf of their account holders in such a way that diversifies risk, so having some overseas investments is probably a good idea.

disclaimer: I am an account holder with Australian Super.

The chaps in The City will look after our money.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6mi5wx

That was supposed to be a short 5-minute clip of a different episode.
Something went terribly wrong.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Make a lot more sense to invest Australian money in much-needed Australian housing.

I’m sure they’ve probably got investments in housing developments in Australia too. But they’ll tell you its their job to invest the money of behalf of their account holders in such a way that diversifies risk, so having some overseas investments is probably a good idea.

disclaimer: I am an account holder with Australian Super.

The chaps in The City will look after our money.

Always. I totally trust them.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Make a lot more sense to invest Australian money in much-needed Australian housing.

I’m sure they’ve probably got investments in housing developments in Australia too. But they’ll tell you its their job to invest the money of behalf of their account holders in such a way that diversifies risk, so having some overseas investments is probably a good idea.

disclaimer: I am an account holder with Australian Super.

The chaps in The City will look after our money.

Yes, my $6000+ in AMP shares that I had at $45/share in the mid 90’s should be worth a fortune by now. They invested them in a London based scheme. Let me check…

Currently $1.40

“Blue Chip Stock” My arse.

meanwhile in Tasmanian politics…

In short:
Spirit of Tasmania IV has departed its shipbuilder’s port in Finland and is making its way to Leith port in Edinburgh, Scotland.

In a report released in October, Tasmania’s Department of State Growth said TT-Line had estimated the cost of storing Spirits IV and V at Leith until mid-2026 would be approximately $24.3 million.

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The two new ferries were originally expected to cost $850 million, but that was before an $81 million cost blowout revealed in May, as well as additional costs.

——
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-02/spirit-of-tasmania-iv-travels-from-finland-to-scotland/104671806

And in my municipality…

In short:
New details have emerged surrounding the botched design of a bus interchange south of Hobart that remains unused almost a year after construction finished.

Issues include features that do not comply with disability standards, safety risks, insufficient bay capacity and a site test by a bus driver with 20 years’ experience that revealed problems.

What’s next?
The local mayor says the council has made updated design documents and she hopes the rebuild will start in January.

Last month, Kingborough Mayor Paula Wriedt told ABC Radio Hobart that the carriageway’s curvature was too tight for buses to use but that the design had been “ticked off” as approved by the Department of State Growth.

However, a State Growth spokesperson at the time denied this and said the department had “repeatedly raised concerns with council” about safety and accessibility.

Now, documents obtained by the ABC under right to information (RTI) legislation have revealed State Growth warned the council about issues with the curved kerb months before construction started.

Almost 200 pages of emails and reports between State Growth and the council detail the issues plaguing the project — most of which stem from a design that was never going to be fit for purpose.

In an email dated November 11, 2022, State Growth thanked the council for “the opportunity to provide feedback” on the design documents.

“Our main concerns are … curved kerb for bus bays will not be DDA compliant — second bus bay should be straightened if/where possible”.
——
The report noted “insufficient bay capacity”, the risk “buses become stuck … or block other buses”, the layout meaning drivers are “unable to facilitate rear-door boarding”, the problem of “passengers not sure where their service will stop”, and “safety concerns for passengers, passing pedestrians and cyclists”.

Other issues included:

Buses overhang onto the boarding area, which could potentially injure passengers waiting to board.
The sightline for buses leaving the interchange become impacted when another bus is still at the first bus stop, which can pose a safety risk to nearby pedestrians.
Dangerous overtaking means buses will be delayed if they have to wait until the stop in front of them is clear before exiting, and there is no way for the different bus operators that will use the interchange to communicate their movement plans to each other.
Even though there is a small amount of space for a third bus to enter the interchange and wait, it sticks out too far from the kerb to operate as a bus stop.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-28/new-details-kingston-bus-interchange-debacle-tasmania/104653120

“I have absolutely no qualms about women wanting to do anything they like. In fact, they should be paid equally to men,” the Queensland MP began.

“But the simple fact of the matter is that what we miss here is that we are not comparing apples with apples.

“Many women don’t want to be CEOs of companies or take leadership roles.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-02/colin-boyce-criticised-over-gender-pay-comments/104673400

sarahs mum said:

“I have absolutely no qualms about women wanting to do anything they like. In fact, they should be paid equally to men,” the Queensland MP began.

“But the simple fact of the matter is that what we miss here is that we are not comparing apples with apples.

“Many women don’t want to be CEOs of companies or take leadership roles.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-02/colin-boyce-criticised-over-gender-pay-comments/104673400

I must say that I never wanted to be the CEO of any company. Low end supervisory roles was as high as I ever wanted to go. Everything else would be too stressful.

But Communism Bad ¡

Gambling Good ¡

What Master Racing Happens In The DPRNA

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/dec/03/christopher-carrig-taylor-bayly-neo-nazi-graffiti-macquarie-university-sentencing-ntwnfb

Stays In The DPRNA

03 December 2024
Inquiry to be held into Homes Tasmania after parliament hears ‘failed experiment’ claims
David Killick

An interstate auditor has been brought in to look into the operations of Homes Tasmania after a parliamentary motion described the government-owned housing provider as a “failing experiment”.

Parliament passed a motion moved by independent member David O’Byrne in July calling for an inquiry.

He said the two-year-old housing provider wasn’t working out.

Former Auditor-General Margaret Crawford will lead the review, Minister for Housing, Planning, and Consumer Affairs Felix Ellis announced on Tuesday.

“Homes Tasmania was established nearly two years ago to deliver housing, homelessness and crisis accommodation services for Tasmanians, and this review will look into how effective this has been,” he said.

“Ms Crawford is an independent, experienced, and well-respected former Auditor-General of New South Wales who will lead the review, involving significant consultation with community and key stakeholders.

“This review will help to identify ways we can continue to efficiently and effectively grow our housing supply across Tasmania, a key part of our 2030 Strong Plan for Tasmania’s Future.”

Homes Tasmania has a total portfolio of 13,200 property and land assets valued at $4.44 billion.

Independent member for Franklin David O’Byrne told parliament in July “Homes Tasmania is not working. It was never going to work.”

“When Homes Tasmania was established in December 2022 … there were 4569 applicants on the public housing waiting list and the average time to house priority applicants was 77.9 weeks.

“As of today, there are 4709 applications on the waiting list and the average time to house priority applicants has increased to 89.7 weeks.

“The housing dashboard also reveals that only 341 new long-term social housing properties were delivered in the last 12 months, despite a promise to build 1000 homes a year.”

On Tuesday, he welcomed the review as the public housing waiting list reached an all-time high.

“The current pipeline of housing has more than halved compared to this point last year, while the level of unmet housing need across the state continues to increase.

“This government’s decision to place responsibility for social housing with an arm’s length statutory authority has, in my view, been a failed experiment that has only worsened the housing crisis.”

david.killick@news.com.au

guess communists aren’t the only ones who complain when the rules don’t suit them

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-04/paul-fletcher-teals-election/104678684

SCIENCE said:

guess communists aren’t the only ones who complain when the rules don’t suit them

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-04/paul-fletcher-teals-election/104678684

He’s just upset theat Holmes a Court and his rich friendsare giving their money to him.

what’s the point in being a Liberal party drone, if you you’re not getting all of the ‘funding’ from ‘the right people’?

The newly built Spirit of Tasmania IV has arrived at its temporary home in Edinburgh, Scotland.

The much-larger passenger and freight ferry — one of two being commissioned to replace the two existing Bass Strait ferries — is being berthed in the Port of Leith indefinitely.

The ships are too big for existing infrastructure in Devonport, in northern Tasmania, and delays to starting works on a new berth mean it and its sister ship, Spirit of Tasmania V, cannot operate in Tasmania.

It is expected Devonport will only be ready to receive them in early 2027.

The ferry docked in Scotland overnight after a three-and-a-half-day journey from Finland, where it was built.

Its arrival was met with some amusement by local media STV News, which described its detour as a “ferry fiasco”.

A news report said that while Leith was able to accommodate the ship, it was far too big to operate as a ferry in Scotland in the meantime.

“It should be on route Down Under to take up its duties in the Bass Strait between Victoria on the Australian mainland and Tasmania, problem is, it’s too big for the docks there,” the STV reporter said in the news segment.

Ship enthusiasts charted Spirit IV’s journey, capturing webcam vision as it made its way under the Great Belt Bridge (Storebælt Bridge) in Denmark.

The finished ship had to leave Finland and find a new port as winter set in to avoid potentially damaging ice, a condition the ship was not built for.

Tasmania’s government-owned ferry operator, TT-Line, said the trip provided an opportunity to trial the vessel in open waters.

What happens next?
The second new vessel, Spirit of Tasmania V, is still under construction in Finland.

The new ferries will eventually replace the two aging ships that currently cross Bass Strait.

But in the years until Devonport is ready to receive them, they will need to be stored elsewhere.

The Tasmanian government and TT-line are investigating the possibility of leasing them out for use by an international operator in the meantime.

In a report released in October, the Department of State Growth said TT-Line had estimated the cost of storing both ferries at Leith until mid-2026 would be approximately $24.3 million.

TT-Line acting chief executive Kym Sayers said recently that berthing costs at Leith were commercial in confidence and yet to be finalised.

“A formal agreement will be signed once ancillary services for the vessel’s time in Leith have been negotiated and agreed to,” she said.

“This will occur after the vessel has berthed.”

On Monday, Premier Jeremy Rockliff said details about the cost of berthing Spirit IV at Leith would be released publicly once finalised.

“We’re waiting on the final parts of the agreement … and then, of course, everyone will be informed of the costs associated with that agreement,” he said.

“But indeed, what we’re trying to do, endeavouring to do, is have our ships leased as soon as possible to get the best value for taxpayer dollars.”

The bungled process to secure the new ferries has claimed several scalps, including former infrastructure minister and deputy premier, Michael Ferguson, who moved to the backbench.

They were originally expected to cost $850 million, but that was before an $81 million cost blowout revealed in May, as well as additional costs.

TT-Line is expected to face further scrutiny over its handling of the Spirits saga when it appears before a parliamentary committee on Thursday.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-04/tas-spirit-iv-ferry-arrives-in-leith-scotland/104681944

sarahs mum said:

The newly built Spirit of Tasmania IV has arrived at its temporary home in Edinburgh, Scotland.

The seabirds of Leith send warm thanksto the people of Tasmania for providing them with a new roosting place.

sarahs mum said:

The newly built Spirit of Tasmania IV has arrived at its temporary home in Edinburgh, Scotland.

The much-larger passenger and freight ferry — one of two being commissioned to replace the two existing Bass Strait ferries — is being berthed in the Port of Leith indefinitely.

The ships are too big for existing infrastructure in Devonport, in northern Tasmania, and delays to starting works on a new berth mean it and its sister ship, Spirit of Tasmania V, cannot operate in Tasmania.

It is expected Devonport will only be ready to receive them in early 2027.

The ferry docked in Scotland overnight after a three-and-a-half-day journey from Finland, where it was built.

Its arrival was met with some amusement by local media STV News, which described its detour as a “ferry fiasco”.

A news report said that while Leith was able to accommodate the ship, it was far too big to operate as a ferry in Scotland in the meantime.

“It should be on route Down Under to take up its duties in the Bass Strait between Victoria on the Australian mainland and Tasmania, problem is, it’s too big for the docks there,” the STV reporter said in the news segment.

Ship enthusiasts charted Spirit IV’s journey, capturing webcam vision as it made its way under the Great Belt Bridge (Storebælt Bridge) in Denmark.

The finished ship had to leave Finland and find a new port as winter set in to avoid potentially damaging ice, a condition the ship was not built for.

Tasmania’s government-owned ferry operator, TT-Line, said the trip provided an opportunity to trial the vessel in open waters.

What happens next?
The second new vessel, Spirit of Tasmania V, is still under construction in Finland.

The new ferries will eventually replace the two aging ships that currently cross Bass Strait.

But in the years until Devonport is ready to receive them, they will need to be stored elsewhere.

The Tasmanian government and TT-line are investigating the possibility of leasing them out for use by an international operator in the meantime.

In a report released in October, the Department of State Growth said TT-Line had estimated the cost of storing both ferries at Leith until mid-2026 would be approximately $24.3 million.

TT-Line acting chief executive Kym Sayers said recently that berthing costs at Leith were commercial in confidence and yet to be finalised.

“A formal agreement will be signed once ancillary services for the vessel’s time in Leith have been negotiated and agreed to,” she said.

“This will occur after the vessel has berthed.”

On Monday, Premier Jeremy Rockliff said details about the cost of berthing Spirit IV at Leith would be released publicly once finalised.

“We’re waiting on the final parts of the agreement … and then, of course, everyone will be informed of the costs associated with that agreement,” he said.

“But indeed, what we’re trying to do, endeavouring to do, is have our ships leased as soon as possible to get the best value for taxpayer dollars.”

The bungled process to secure the new ferries has claimed several scalps, including former infrastructure minister and deputy premier, Michael Ferguson, who moved to the backbench.

They were originally expected to cost $850 million, but that was before an $81 million cost blowout revealed in May, as well as additional costs.

TT-Line is expected to face further scrutiny over its handling of the Spirits saga when it appears before a parliamentary committee on Thursday.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-04/tas-spirit-iv-ferry-arrives-in-leith-scotland/104681944

How many incompetents have been sacked over this?

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

The newly built Spirit of Tasmania IV has arrived at its temporary home in Edinburgh, Scotland.

The much-larger passenger and freight ferry — one of two being commissioned to replace the two existing Bass Strait ferries — is being berthed in the Port of Leith indefinitely.

The ships are too big for existing infrastructure in Devonport, in northern Tasmania, and delays to starting works on a new berth mean it and its sister ship, Spirit of Tasmania V, cannot operate in Tasmania.

It is expected Devonport will only be ready to receive them in early 2027.

The ferry docked in Scotland overnight after a three-and-a-half-day journey from Finland, where it was built.

Its arrival was met with some amusement by local media STV News, which described its detour as a “ferry fiasco”.

A news report said that while Leith was able to accommodate the ship, it was far too big to operate as a ferry in Scotland in the meantime.

“It should be on route Down Under to take up its duties in the Bass Strait between Victoria on the Australian mainland and Tasmania, problem is, it’s too big for the docks there,” the STV reporter said in the news segment.

Ship enthusiasts charted Spirit IV’s journey, capturing webcam vision as it made its way under the Great Belt Bridge (Storebælt Bridge) in Denmark.

The finished ship had to leave Finland and find a new port as winter set in to avoid potentially damaging ice, a condition the ship was not built for.

Tasmania’s government-owned ferry operator, TT-Line, said the trip provided an opportunity to trial the vessel in open waters.

What happens next?
The second new vessel, Spirit of Tasmania V, is still under construction in Finland.

The new ferries will eventually replace the two aging ships that currently cross Bass Strait.

But in the years until Devonport is ready to receive them, they will need to be stored elsewhere.

The Tasmanian government and TT-line are investigating the possibility of leasing them out for use by an international operator in the meantime.

In a report released in October, the Department of State Growth said TT-Line had estimated the cost of storing both ferries at Leith until mid-2026 would be approximately $24.3 million.

TT-Line acting chief executive Kym Sayers said recently that berthing costs at Leith were commercial in confidence and yet to be finalised.

“A formal agreement will be signed once ancillary services for the vessel’s time in Leith have been negotiated and agreed to,” she said.

“This will occur after the vessel has berthed.”

On Monday, Premier Jeremy Rockliff said details about the cost of berthing Spirit IV at Leith would be released publicly once finalised.

“We’re waiting on the final parts of the agreement … and then, of course, everyone will be informed of the costs associated with that agreement,” he said.

“But indeed, what we’re trying to do, endeavouring to do, is have our ships leased as soon as possible to get the best value for taxpayer dollars.”

The bungled process to secure the new ferries has claimed several scalps, including former infrastructure minister and deputy premier, Michael Ferguson, who moved to the backbench.

They were originally expected to cost $850 million, but that was before an $81 million cost blowout revealed in May, as well as additional costs.

TT-Line is expected to face further scrutiny over its handling of the Spirits saga when it appears before a parliamentary committee on Thursday.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-04/tas-spirit-iv-ferry-arrives-in-leith-scotland/104681944

How many incompetents have been sacked over this?

there has been much buck passing.

How many incompetents have been sacked over this?

there has been much buck passing.

cant get together wharves or bus stations. how do you think they will go with building a stadium on budget on reclaimed land?

sarahs mum said:

How many incompetents have been sacked over this?

there has been much buck passing.

cant get together wharves or bus stations. how do you think they will go with building a stadium on budget on reclaimed land?

Highly unlikely

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

The newly built Spirit of Tasmania IV has arrived at its temporary home in Edinburgh, Scotland.

The much-larger passenger and freight ferry — one of two being commissioned to replace the two existing Bass Strait ferries — is being berthed in the Port of Leith indefinitely.

The ships are too big for existing infrastructure in Devonport, in northern Tasmania, and delays to starting works on a new berth mean it and its sister ship, Spirit of Tasmania V, cannot operate in Tasmania.

It is expected Devonport will only be ready to receive them in early 2027.

The ferry docked in Scotland overnight after a three-and-a-half-day journey from Finland, where it was built.

Its arrival was met with some amusement by local media STV News, which described its detour as a “ferry fiasco”.

A news report said that while Leith was able to accommodate the ship, it was far too big to operate as a ferry in Scotland in the meantime.

“It should be on route Down Under to take up its duties in the Bass Strait between Victoria on the Australian mainland and Tasmania, problem is, it’s too big for the docks there,” the STV reporter said in the news segment.

Ship enthusiasts charted Spirit IV’s journey, capturing webcam vision as it made its way under the Great Belt Bridge (Storebælt Bridge) in Denmark.

The finished ship had to leave Finland and find a new port as winter set in to avoid potentially damaging ice, a condition the ship was not built for.

Tasmania’s government-owned ferry operator, TT-Line, said the trip provided an opportunity to trial the vessel in open waters.

What happens next?
The second new vessel, Spirit of Tasmania V, is still under construction in Finland.

The new ferries will eventually replace the two aging ships that currently cross Bass Strait.

But in the years until Devonport is ready to receive them, they will need to be stored elsewhere.

The Tasmanian government and TT-line are investigating the possibility of leasing them out for use by an international operator in the meantime.

In a report released in October, the Department of State Growth said TT-Line had estimated the cost of storing both ferries at Leith until mid-2026 would be approximately $24.3 million.

TT-Line acting chief executive Kym Sayers said recently that berthing costs at Leith were commercial in confidence and yet to be finalised.

“A formal agreement will be signed once ancillary services for the vessel’s time in Leith have been negotiated and agreed to,” she said.

“This will occur after the vessel has berthed.”

On Monday, Premier Jeremy Rockliff said details about the cost of berthing Spirit IV at Leith would be released publicly once finalised.

“We’re waiting on the final parts of the agreement … and then, of course, everyone will be informed of the costs associated with that agreement,” he said.

“But indeed, what we’re trying to do, endeavouring to do, is have our ships leased as soon as possible to get the best value for taxpayer dollars.”

The bungled process to secure the new ferries has claimed several scalps, including former infrastructure minister and deputy premier, Michael Ferguson, who moved to the backbench.

They were originally expected to cost $850 million, but that was before an $81 million cost blowout revealed in May, as well as additional costs.

TT-Line is expected to face further scrutiny over its handling of the Spirits saga when it appears before a parliamentary committee on Thursday.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-04/tas-spirit-iv-ferry-arrives-in-leith-scotland/104681944

How many incompetents have been sacked over this?

Uh I think Tasmania just rehired them

sarahs mum said:

How many incompetents have been sacked over this?

there has been much buck passing.

cant get together wharves or bus stations. how do you think they will go with building a stadium on budget on reclaimed land?

Not a snowflake’s chance in hell.

And they can’t even refuel an icebreaker.

and Eric Abetz has made it clear that he wants a chair lift on mt wellington. Submissions end today. Submission form appears to sort out the stake holders from everyone else.

sarahs mum said:

and Eric Abetz has made it clear that he wants a chair lift on mt wellington. Submissions end today. Submission form appears to sort out the stake holders from everyone else.

I hate him. Why can’t he go away?

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

and Eric Abetz has made it clear that he wants a chair lift on mt wellington. Submissions end today. Submission form appears to sort out the stake holders from everyone else.

I hate him. Why can’t he go away?

Maybe if you build that chairlift he will love it so much that he spends the rest of his life going up and down it and stops bothering people.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

and Eric Abetz has made it clear that he wants a chair lift on mt wellington. Submissions end today. Submission form appears to sort out the stake holders from everyone else.

I hate him. Why can’t he go away?

I don’t know.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

and Eric Abetz has made it clear that he wants a chair lift on mt wellington. Submissions end today. Submission form appears to sort out the stake holders from everyone else.

I hate him. Why can’t he go away?

I don’t know.

They all have to die sooner or later. Perhaps some of us will die beforehand.

04 December 2024
Minister rejects questions over Metro privatisation
David Killick

Transport Minister Eric Abetz has declined to answer questions about whether the government wanted to privatise public transport operator Metro Tasmania.

At Government Businesses Enterprise committee hearings in state parliament on Wednesday, Mr Abetz said he was focused on delivering the best service possible.

In response to questions from Labor MP Meg Brown, he declined to commit to rule privatisation in or out.

“Suffice to say that it is something that I think is always worthwhile: considering to see how best you can deliver services to the public at the best possible benefit for the consumer and for the taxpayer,” he said.

“I think it’s good and appropriate that governments do reflect and then come to a conclusion at that stage, that’s all we’re doing, we’re reflecting on the best possible approach.

“Look, these are the games that people play … especially in opposition and I’ve been there as well, Ms Brown.

“I know the games that are played because you want to get the government on the sticky paper.

“I’m not going to do that subject, suffice to say that we will consider what is within the best interests of the people of Tasmania.”

Metro is currently locked in a battle with its bus operator workforce over the terms of a new enterprise agreement, leading to escalating industrial action and service disruptions.

Metro CEO Katie Cooper confirmed Metro had spent $140,000 for four months work from an industrial relations advisory firm.
“One of the owners, I don’t know if it’s a principal used to be the chief operating officer for Metro,” she said.

“That, I think makes her uniquely placed to actually provide us some of that great insight as to and her background and qualifications are in industrial relations that’s why we’ve found her advice so valued for five months.”

Metro’s current COO has a base salary of $136,000 a year.

The committee heard 26 of the 180 bus services suspended in 2024 because of driver shortages had been restored.

Mr Abetz said the remainder of suspensions were still regarded as temporary.

“Metro, at no stage took delight in reducing the number of routes that were covered and was very mindful of the fact that they should be restored as quickly as possible, hence the recruitment drive,” he said.

“It’d be fair to say that it was the genuine hope that they would be more temporary than they are now.”

The $35m statewide common public transport system promised by the Liberals for years is still some time off, the committee heard.
“We are hoping 2026 will be the year it will be delivered,” Mr Abetz said.

The rollout of security screens to protect drivers had also been delayed and trials were continuing, the committee heard.

david.killick@news.com.au
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Also cannot run a bus service.

Well At Least He Wasn’t Rooting The Other Fella ¡

NSW Premier Chris Minns to be referred to ICAC over relationship with key figure behind redevelopment of Rosehill Racecourse

Exactly¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-05/government-keeps-the-economy-afloat-as-private-sector-stagnates/104684708

Under Dirty Labor of course the government spends too much driving inflation and interest rates higher and causing unemployment and cost of living crises,

under Benevolent Liberal this is economic expertise with much needed cash splashing to keep the economy firing and avoid recession¡

Experts left ‘furious’ at close of NSW government drug summit

Leading experts in drug reform have been left “furious” as the New South Wales government’s drug summit comes to a close with the health minister having ruled out the possibility of decriminalisation.

The Greens spokesperson for drug law reform, Cate Faehrmann, said it was “profoundly disappointing” that halfway through the summit the government wouldn’t consider what the vast majority of people attending say is the number one thing that needs to happen.

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Minns predicably cowardly and craven.. craven and cowardly

Ian said:

Experts left ‘furious’ at close of NSW government drug summit

Leading experts in drug reform have been left “furious” as the New South Wales government’s drug summit comes to a close with the health minister having ruled out the possibility of decriminalisation.

The Greens spokesperson for drug law reform, Cate Faehrmann, said it was “profoundly disappointing” that halfway through the summit the government wouldn’t consider what the vast majority of people attending say is the number one thing that needs to happen.

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Minns predicably cowardly and craven.. craven and cowardly

Might need referendums

Ian said:

Experts left ‘furious’ at close of NSW government drug summit

Leading experts in drug reform have been left “furious” as the New South Wales government’s drug summit comes to a close with the health minister having ruled out the possibility of decriminalisation.

The Greens spokesperson for drug law reform, Cate Faehrmann, said it was “profoundly disappointing” that halfway through the summit the government wouldn’t consider what the vast majority of people attending say is the number one thing that needs to happen.

—-

Minns predicably cowardly and craven.. craven and cowardly

As ever, follow the money.

dv said:

Ian said:

Experts left ‘furious’ at close of NSW government drug summit

Leading experts in drug reform have been left “furious” as the New South Wales government’s drug summit comes to a close with the health minister having ruled out the possibility of decriminalisation.

The Greens spokesperson for drug law reform, Cate Faehrmann, said it was “profoundly disappointing” that halfway through the summit the government wouldn’t consider what the vast majority of people attending say is the number one thing that needs to happen.

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Minns predicably cowardly and craven.. craven and cowardly

Might need referendums

But referendums can only alter the Constitution, not the laws made under that constitution.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Ian said:

Experts left ‘furious’ at close of NSW government drug summit

Leading experts in drug reform have been left “furious” as the New South Wales government’s drug summit comes to a close with the health minister having ruled out the possibility of decriminalisation.

The Greens spokesperson for drug law reform, Cate Faehrmann, said it was “profoundly disappointing” that halfway through the summit the government wouldn’t consider what the vast majority of people attending say is the number one thing that needs to happen.

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Minns predicably cowardly and craven.. craven and cowardly

Might need referendums

But referendums can only alter the Constitution, not the laws made under that constitution.

I’ll settle for a plebiscite then

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

Experts left ‘furious’ at close of NSW government drug summit

Leading experts in drug reform have been left “furious” as the New South Wales government’s drug summit comes to a close with the health minister having ruled out the possibility of decriminalisation.

The Greens spokesperson for drug law reform, Cate Faehrmann, said it was “profoundly disappointing” that halfway through the summit the government wouldn’t consider what the vast majority of people attending say is the number one thing that needs to happen.

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Minns predicably cowardly and craven.. craven and cowardly

As ever, follow the money.

I’d believe external pressures to not legalise drugs exists, as they are a good money earner for funding illegal military operations
Good way to have someone on your side as you ignore their drug dealing enterprises in return they are pro whatever nation you are from

06 December 2024
TT-Line chair identified four errors which cause ferry fiasco
David Killick

The interim chair of TT-Line says the government-owned ferry company has spelled out the four major mistakes which contributed to the state’s biggest infrastructure fiasco.

Interim chair Damien Bugg KC has told government business enterprise committee hearings in Hobart that TT-Line should have let TasPorts complete the port side infrastructure in Devonport.

“With the benefit of hindsight — and I suspect careful consideration at the time — the first mistake that we made was to be involved in this project in the first place. That is an infrastructure build when we are and were a ferry company that is structured and staffed to run efficiently and leanly as a ferry company,” he said.

“And here we were embarking on a fairly complicated infrastructure task. Mistake number one.

“Should we have taken it on? No. Should TasPorts have said ‘get out of the way, we’ll do it’?

“Yes, they are the port infrastructure entity. Now, is that a mistake? I think it is. So mistake number two.”

Mr Bugg said the third mistake was being overconfident after the success of the move of the northern terminus from Station Pier in Melbourne to Geelong while building two replacement ferries on the other side of the world.

“The fourth mistake: we should have elevated the situation to a cabinet level when it became apparent that we were falling behind schedule but we had overconfidence, I think, within our ranks,” he said.

“Should I accept responsibility for it? I do, on behalf of the company.

“It’s an embarrassment to us and it’s upsetting for me because the people of Tasmania expect better from their appointed representatives and I’m one of them.”

Mr Bugg said he didn’t want to get into a further debate over who was right and wrong.

TasPorts on Tuesday washed its hands of any responsibility for failing to have berthing facilities ready in time for the new TT-Line ferries at Devonport. They are not expected to be in operation for two more years.

The company’s interim chair Arama Doyle told a House of Assembly committee hearing the government-owned port operator had done nothing wrong.

Mr Bugg said he was more focused on solving the problem than a public debate over who was responsible and to what extent.

“Insurance companies tell you not to speak to the other driver after a car accident and I think that’s sound advice,” he said.
“If we did speak to one another, we’d probably each accept some responsibility for what had happened and insurers don’t like that.

“But the reality is the accident has happened. Let’s get the cars fixed.”

Independent MP David O’Byrne described Mr Bugg’s analysis as “ a blunt assessment of the bleeding obvious”.

david.killick@news.com.au

dv said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Might need referendums

But referendums can only alter the Constitution, not the laws made under that constitution.

I’ll settle for a plebiscite then

Fair.

dv said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Might need referendums

But referendums can only alter the Constitution, not the laws made under that constitution.

I’ll settle for a plebiscite then

What about a moratorium?

4 December 2024
Tasmanian Labor elders Paul Lennon and Dick Adams warn Anthony Albanese: Back salmon workers or repeat Mark Latham, Bill Shorten mistakes
Geoff Chambers and Sarah Ison

Tasmanian Labor elders Paul Lennon and Dick Adams – who famously sided with John Howard in shielding forestry jobs at the 2004 election – have warned ­Anthony Albanese to “act with conviction” and put salmon workers ahead of chasing votes in soft green seats.

Swinging in behind Tasmania’s $1.36bn salmon industry and more than 5100 fisheries workers, Mr Lennon urged the government against repeating the election-losing mistakes of Mark Latham and Bill Shorten who alienated the forestry and mining sectors in 2004 and 2019.

The intervention by the Tasmanian ALP statesmen comes amid rising community fears over two reviews into the endangered Maugean skate, triggered by environmental activists and overseen by Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek, which threaten salmon fisheries in Macquarie Harbour.

The Prime Minister and senior government figures are working to overcome legal hurdles and provide certainty for salmon workers ahead of next year’s election in a bid to avoid voter backlash in the key Tasmanian seats of Braddon, Lyons and Bass. Mr Lennon, who was Tasmanian premier between 2004 and 2008, said if you “take the salmon industry out of the West Coast … you’ll pretty much destroy that economy”. “I fear we could be heading back into a period like 2004, where Tasmanian jobs become a political football in a federal election environment, where the major parties are chasing votes in soft green electorates in NSW and Victoria … where these jobs don’t matter,” Mr Lennon said.

“It’s very disappointing for me to see this all again. It’s history repeating itself.”

Invoking Bob Brown’s 2019 anti-Adani convoy in central Queensland, Mr Lennon said “people in the Labor Party nationally should reflect on that because many people would argue ­strongly that’s what cost Bill ­Shorten the election”.

“Labor was trying to play both sides of the fence on the Adani mine. I think you’ve got to act with conviction when these issues come up … it is almost black and white these days, you’re either for or against. You can’t be halfway, because then it becomes a death by a thousand cuts,” he said.

Mr Adams, who held the central Tasmanian seat of Lyons between 1993 and 2013, said the Albanese government “has to think for the long-term and not a short-term gain”. “It should learn that it can’t make decisions that are just about one group based on one narrow argument,” Mr Adams said.

“(Tasmanian voters) care about their industries. They know that their jobs and the economic activity gives them benefits. To try to close down industries … people generally in Tasmania see that most of the argument is a political argument to try to benefit some individuals.

“People are a bit smarter than that. They know that there’s issues that are now being pulled together for political purposes.” Reflecting on the 2004 election campaign, in which he spoke at the same Launceston rally alongside Mr Howard and CFMEU officials, Mr Adams said “Latham blinked and Howard didn’t”.

Mr Adams said his view on Ms Plibersek’s drawn-out reviews was that the government had “made the decision to not make a decision” and warned delays were not in the “interest of the members that are trying to win the seats or fighting the political battle on behalf of their parties to be against salmon farms.”

After the Liberals fell-short in Lyons by 1344 votes in 2022, the Coalition is hoping to win the seat. Retiring government MP Brian Mitchell has been replaced with former Labor state leader Rebecca White, who along with state colleagues back the salmon industry.

Australian Workers Union national secretary Paul Farrow on Wednesday urged Mr Albanese to put the livelihoods of salmon workers ahead of “inner-city activists” and not leave “whole communities dangling”. Jim Chalmers, an AWU member, said the review decisions would be made “in the usual

Mr Lennon said it is “mind boggling for me that people actually think that a small number of salmon pens in Macquarie Harbour could be causing the environmental outcome that people are alleging”, given the harbour is six-times the size of Sydney Harbour.

“It’s a massive expanse of water and people are being asked to believe that the survival of a fish species, which can roam unfettered through that harbour, is now solely dependent on a few salmon pens. It’s ridiculous that we’ve got to this point where people’s livelihoods and jobs are under constant threat, with this sort of rubbish being peddled. If you’re talking about Macquarie Harbour, there’s been a large copper mine operating over there for well over 100 years, discharging waste into a river which then spills into Macquarie Harbour.

“Anybody who … has a look at the King River will be gobsmacked because it flows yellow. How someone could blame the salmon industry for the soft numbers of the Maugean skate and not mention … what impact, if any, the outflow of the King River might have. It astounds me.”

Mr Lennon warned that environmental activists have targeted the salmon industry to “reach out to Australians in the supermarket sector … the ultimate aim is for them to raise funds for campaigns in other areas”. “(The salmon industry) is well managed, contained and subject to strict environmental controls. Like everybody else, they should be subject to continuous improvement and if better ­environmental outcomes are justified then they should be made to adhere to them,” he said. “But the starting point shouldn’t be that they have to shutdown. And that’s where we’ve gotten to. They’ve been blamed for the depletion of numbers of a wild fishery and without any basis of fact.”

The Australia Institute, Bob Brown Foundation, Australian Marine Conservation Society and Environmental Defenders Office last year successfully asked Ms Plibersek to review 2012 approvals under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act for expanded Macquarie Harbour salmon operations.

Australia Institute Tasmania director Eloise Carr said “is anyone other than the AWU seriously suggesting we should not listen to science and not follow the law”.

“Democracy is about choices. We used to hunt whales, log the Daintree and mine asbestos and all those industries created some jobs,” the institute’s Tasmania director Eloise Carr said.

“There are lots of places where salmon can be grown but only one place in the world where the Maugean skate can live … if we chose a bit more salmon over the last of the dinosaur fish, then it speaks volumes about our priorities.”

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton, who has pledged to reverse adverse decisions impacting Tasmanian salmon workers, said there was “a huge fight” going on within Labor and a rift between Mr Albanese and Ms Plibersek

-the australian

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It’s the scale of salmon farming. it’s everywhere. and now they want around the bass strait islands and around wineglass bay area. And it does stuff the environment. at the moment Heidi’s morning swim at snug beach is with these things.
which are everywhere blooming/feeding on what falls out of the bottom of fish pens.
also there is nothing living in the king. they aren’t going to be putting the pens anywhere near it’s outfall. I’m not sure ‘we have this polluting industry over here’ is an excuse to put another polluting industry over there.

anyway, if the industry did double in size and damages would that make the happy? no. they would want to double that again. gotta be some environmental limitations.

sarahs mum said:

anyway, if the industry did double in size and damages would that make the happy? no. they would want to double that again. gotta be some environmental limitations.

And you’ve got a couple of Tasmanian politicians who aim to achieve the ultimate goal of Tasmanians, on both sides, in federal politics: to be the tail that wags the dog.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

anyway, if the industry did double in size and damages would that make the happy? no. they would want to double that again. gotta be some environmental limitations.

And you’ve got a couple of Tasmanian politicians who aim to achieve the ultimate goal of Tasmanians, on both sides, in federal politics: to be the tail that wags the dog.

and note…it is two ex tasmanian labor pollies saying to vote for dutton.

nice one

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-06/teenager-downloaded-videos-idolising-murderers-court-told/104693810

so which social media did this fella cut his victims on then

would a kiddie social media ban have prevented this

SCIENCE said:

nice one

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-06/teenager-downloaded-videos-idolising-murderers-court-told/104693810

so which social media did this fella cut his victims on then

would a kiddie social media ban have prevented this

Would mass murder videos of Israel killing Palestinians count or does only bad guys killing good guys counts.

missed that. that’s a good thing.

sarahs mum said:

missed that. that’s a good thing.

(Mt wellington is Hobart city council run. And they knocked back the cable car…)

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

missed that. that’s a good thing.

(Mt wellington is Hobart city council run. And they knocked back the cable car…)

nice

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

missed that. that’s a good thing.

(Mt wellington is Hobart city council run. And they knocked back the cable car…)

nice

Hopefully this is the sort of thing Trump will run into and Musk will try to stop but these roadblocks will keep coming up.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

(Mt wellington is Hobart city council run. And they knocked back the cable car…)

nice

Hopefully this is the sort of thing Trump will run into and Musk will try to stop but these roadblocks will keep coming up.

not when the entire column is captured but yeah not going to concern ourselves to much with that other place these days

In the ACT’s Legislative Assembly this week, speaker Mark Parton called out new independent MLA Thomas Emerson, for not wearing a tie.

“I don’t wish to be the presiding officer of this place, at a time when the dress standards dramatically decline,” he said.

“But I also don’t wish to make a ruling as a speaker, that a member cannot participate in proceedings should they not be wearing a tie.

“I would ask members, if you were invited to speak at a black tie function, would you choose to attend wearing smart casual clothing? Are you bigger than the function, or is the function bigger than you?

> maybe Politicians could feel less restricted without a tie?

roughbarked said:

> maybe Politicians could feel less restricted without a tie?

…and perhaps a tiny bit less self-important?

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

missed that. that’s a good thing.

(Mt wellington is Hobart city council run. And they knocked back the cable car…)

:)

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

> maybe Politicians could feel less restricted without a tie?

…and perhaps a tiny bit less self-important?

Might work but hey, We’ve put up with Bob Katter for fity years wearing that hat.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

> maybe Politicians could feel less restricted without a tie?

…and perhaps a tiny bit less self-important?

Might work but hey, We’ve put up with Bob Katter for fity years wearing that hat.

maybe politicians should be judged on policy including integrity with holding to policy and they can fuck themselves over the rest

Labor is a “threat to civilisation” says Peter Dutton … so is wokeness! Jim Chalmers and the GDP, Penny Wong does the right thing, fossil scams, CBA cash grab.

Wokeness threatens Civilisation? | Scam of the Week

“This is an act of terrorism, pure and simple, and I think the prime minister’s deliberate decision to seek political advantage over the course of last 12 months on this issue and play to a domestic audience of Green voters, I think has been deplorable and one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in public life,” Dutton told Sky News on Sunday.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/dec/08/murray-watt-says-melbourne-synagogue-firebombing-looks-like-terrorism-as-dutton-blames-labor-ntwnfb

…

Political advantage anyone?

sarahs mum said:

Labor is a “threat to civilisation” says Peter Dutton … so is wokeness! Jim Chalmers and the GDP, Penny Wong does the right thing, fossil scams, CBA cash grab.

Wokeness threatens Civilisation? | Scam of the Week

^

sarahs mum said:

Labor is a “threat to civilisation” says Peter Dutton … so is wokeness! Jim Chalmers and the GDP, Penny Wong does the right thing, fossil scams, CBA cash grab.

Wokeness threatens Civilisation? | Scam of the Week

Dutton is potato blight personified.

Witty Rejoinder said:

“This is an act of terrorism, pure and simple, and I think the prime minister’s deliberate decision to seek political advantage over the course of last 12 months on this issue and play to a domestic audience of Green voters, I think has been deplorable and one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in public life,” Dutton told Sky News on Sunday.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/dec/08/murray-watt-says-melbourne-synagogue-firebombing-looks-like-terrorism-as-dutton-blames-labor-ntwnfb

…

Political advantage anyone?

Hard to say. If more people were like me and viewed Gaza and Israel as a northern hemisphere problem and noting to do with us, there would be no advantage in wasting time on it either way.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

“This is an act of terrorism, pure and simple, and I think the prime minister’s deliberate decision to seek political advantage over the course of last 12 months on this issue and play to a domestic audience of Green voters, I think has been deplorable and one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in public life,” Dutton told Sky News on Sunday.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/dec/08/murray-watt-says-melbourne-synagogue-firebombing-looks-like-terrorism-as-dutton-blames-labor-ntwnfb

…

Political advantage anyone?

Hard to say. If more people were like me and viewed Gaza and Israel as a northern hemisphere problem and noting to do with us, there would be no advantage in wasting time on it either way.

like the war in the 1940s then

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

“This is an act of terrorism, pure and simple, and I think the prime minister’s deliberate decision to seek political advantage over the course of last 12 months on this issue and play to a domestic audience of Green voters, I think has been deplorable and one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in public life,” Dutton told Sky News on Sunday.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/dec/08/murray-watt-says-melbourne-synagogue-firebombing-looks-like-terrorism-as-dutton-blames-labor-ntwnfb

…

Political advantage anyone?

Hard to say. If more people were like me and viewed Gaza and Israel as a northern hemisphere problem and noting to do with us, there would be no advantage in wasting time on it either way.

like the war in the 1940s then

No. Quite unlike that.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

“This is an act of terrorism, pure and simple, and I think the prime minister’s deliberate decision to seek political advantage over the course of last 12 months on this issue and play to a domestic audience of Green voters, I think has been deplorable and one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in public life,” Dutton told Sky News on Sunday.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/dec/08/murray-watt-says-melbourne-synagogue-firebombing-looks-like-terrorism-as-dutton-blames-labor-ntwnfb

…

Political advantage anyone?

Hard to say. If more people were like me and viewed Gaza and Israel as a northern hemisphere problem and noting to do with us, there would be no advantage in wasting time on it either way.

I’m suggesting that Dutton is so pro Israeli because he wants to win Jewish votes in MacNamara and Wentworth.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

“This is an act of terrorism, pure and simple, and I think the prime minister’s deliberate decision to seek political advantage over the course of last 12 months on this issue and play to a domestic audience of Green voters, I think has been deplorable and one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in public life,” Dutton told Sky News on Sunday.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/dec/08/murray-watt-says-melbourne-synagogue-firebombing-looks-like-terrorism-as-dutton-blames-labor-ntwnfb

…

Political advantage anyone?

Hard to say. If more people were like me and viewed Gaza and Israel as a northern hemisphere problem and noting to do with us, there would be no advantage in wasting time on it either way.

I’m suggesting that Dutton is so pro Israeli because he wants to win Jewish votes in MacNamara and Wentworth.

Are there that many of them?

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Hard to say. If more people were like me and viewed Gaza and Israel as a northern hemisphere problem and noting to do with us, there would be no advantage in wasting time on it either way.

I’m suggesting that Dutton is so pro Israeli because he wants to win Jewish votes in MacNamara and Wentworth.

Are there that many of them?

Macnamara (formerly Melbourne Ports), with 11.8% Jewish voters, Goldstein (7.8%) and Higgins (4.7%).

https://thejewishindependent.com.au/left-right-climate-israel-the-jewish-vote-in-australian-politics-is-anything-but-homogenous

This was before Higgins was abolished with this coming election’s Victorian redistribution.

…

“The Jewish community in Australia is concentrated in four electorates. In Wentworth, Jewish voters make up 16.2 per cent of the electorate; in Macnamara, it is 12.8 per cent; in Goldstein, 8.8 per cent; and in Kingsford Smith, less than 6.0 per cent. Twenty years ago, none of those seats was considered marginal. Apart from the possible exception of Kingsford Smith, all now fall into that category.”

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/the-jewish-vote-and-the-2022-federal-election-michael-easson/13951240

Wentworth and Goldstein are currently Teal.

yeah but experts are just woke communist shills so they’re just lying

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/nuclear-power-plant-twice-as-costly-as-renewables/104691114

SCIENCE said:

yeah but experts are just woke communist shills so they’re just lying

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/nuclear-power-plant-twice-as-costly-as-renewables/104691114

I’ll have you know that our Communistic Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation is our most respected research organisation.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

yeah but experts are just woke communist shills so they’re just lying

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/nuclear-power-plant-twice-as-costly-as-renewables/104691114

I’ll have you know that our Communistic Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation is our most respected research organisation.

Just Wait Until They Hear The

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/stateline-nsw-western-sydney-airport-acquisition-delay/104696168

Value They’ll Get When The Nuclear Waste Facility Is Announced Next Door

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

yeah but experts are just woke communist shills so they’re just lying

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/nuclear-power-plant-twice-as-costly-as-renewables/104691114

I’ll have you know that our Communistic Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation is our most respected research organisation.

I wondered what “Solar PV + wind with firming” meant, then reading on I see:
“renewable energy projects backed by transmission lines and so-called firming technologies such as batteries and gas plants.”

So it seems “firming” means storage and/or backup power sources.

Strange they didn’t mention pumped hydro.

I wonder if the cost of firming was fully included in their cost estimates.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

yeah but experts are just woke communist shills so they’re just lying

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/nuclear-power-plant-twice-as-costly-as-renewables/104691114

I’ll have you know that our Communistic Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation is our most respected research organisation.

I wondered what “Solar PV + wind with firming” meant, then reading on I see:
“renewable energy projects backed by transmission lines and so-called firming technologies such as batteries and gas plants.”

So it seems “firming” means storage and/or backup power sources.

Strange they didn’t mention pumped hydro.

I wonder if the cost of firming was fully included in their cost estimates.

so do yous reckon that would fully make the costs higher xor lower

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

yeah but experts are just woke communist shills so they’re just lying

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/nuclear-power-plant-twice-as-costly-as-renewables/104691114

I’ll have you know that our Communistic Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation is our most respected research organisation.

I wondered what “Solar PV + wind with firming” meant, then reading on I see:
“renewable energy projects backed by transmission lines and so-called firming technologies such as batteries and gas plants.”

So it seems “firming” means storage and/or backup power sources.

Strange they didn’t mention pumped hydro.

I wonder if the cost of firming was fully included in their cost estimates.

What is the nature of your suspicion?

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

I’ll have you know that our Communistic Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation is our most respected research organisation.

I wondered what “Solar PV + wind with firming” meant, then reading on I see:
“renewable energy projects backed by transmission lines and so-called firming technologies such as batteries and gas plants.”

So it seems “firming” means storage and/or backup power sources.

Strange they didn’t mention pumped hydro.

I wonder if the cost of firming was fully included in their cost estimates.

so do yous reckon that would fully make the costs higher xor lower

Adding additional costs usually make costs higher.

If you know of a way to add costs to reduce costs, please pass it on.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

I’ll have you know that our Communistic Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation is our most respected research organisation.

I wondered what “Solar PV + wind with firming” meant, then reading on I see:
“renewable energy projects backed by transmission lines and so-called firming technologies such as batteries and gas plants.”

So it seems “firming” means storage and/or backup power sources.

Strange they didn’t mention pumped hydro.

I wonder if the cost of firming was fully included in their cost estimates.

What is the nature of your suspicion?

My suspicion is that not all “firming” costs were allocated in the solar/wind cost estimate.

But just a guess.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wondered what “Solar PV + wind with firming” meant, then reading on I see:
“renewable energy projects backed by transmission lines and so-called firming technologies such as batteries and gas plants.”

So it seems “firming” means storage and/or backup power sources.

Strange they didn’t mention pumped hydro.

I wonder if the cost of firming was fully included in their cost estimates.

so do yous reckon that would fully make the costs higher xor lower

Adding additional costs usually make costs higher.

If you know of a way to add costs to reduce costs, please pass it on.

though not always the most obvious outcome when full lifecycle costing is used.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wondered what “Solar PV + wind with firming” meant, then reading on I see:
“renewable energy projects backed by transmission lines and so-called firming technologies such as batteries and gas plants.”

So it seems “firming” means storage and/or backup power sources.

Strange they didn’t mention pumped hydro.

I wonder if the cost of firming was fully included in their cost estimates.

What is the nature of your suspicion?

My suspicion is that not all “firming” costs were allocated in the solar/wind cost estimate.

But just a guess.

I mean I have no more reason to think that CSIRO under- rather than over-estimated the firming costs.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wondered what “Solar PV + wind with firming” meant, then reading on I see:
“renewable energy projects backed by transmission lines and so-called firming technologies such as batteries and gas plants.”

So it seems “firming” means storage and/or backup power sources.

Strange they didn’t mention pumped hydro.

I wonder if the cost of firming was fully included in their cost estimates.

so do yous reckon that would fully make the costs higher xor lower

Adding additional costs usually make costs higher.

If you know of a way to add costs to reduce costs, please pass it on.

we mean some firms are substitutes for other firms

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

What is the nature of your suspicion?

My suspicion is that not all “firming” costs were allocated in the solar/wind cost estimate.

But just a guess.

I mean I have no more reason to think that CSIRO under- rather than over-estimated the firming costs.

When you read the report, let us know.

btw, did I mention that I hate the nukes as much as anybody?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

My suspicion is that not all “firming” costs were allocated in the solar/wind cost estimate.

But just a guess.

I mean I have no more reason to think that CSIRO under- rather than over-estimated the firming costs.

When you read the report, let us know.

btw, did I mention that I hate the nukes as much as anybody?

I used to be very anti-nuke but have diametrically altered my views.

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I mean I have no more reason to think that CSIRO under- rather than over-estimated the firming costs.

When you read the report, let us know.

btw, did I mention that I hate the nukes as much as anybody?

I used to be very anti-nuke but have diametrically altered my views.

Why?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

My suspicion is that not all “firming” costs were allocated in the solar/wind cost estimate.

But just a guess.

I mean I have no more reason to think that CSIRO under- rather than over-estimated the firming costs.

When you read the report, let us know.

btw, did I mention that I hate the nukes as much as anybody?

I don’t support the notion of nuclear power in Australia, but I certainty don’t hate it.

Weekend federal Newspoll: 50 – 50. Slightly improved result for Albo on preferred prime minister: 45-38.

this a fun interview. watch for the interviewer not listening to the responses as she deals with the producer melting down in her ear.

Sky News Host PANICS During Climate Activist Interview
link

Unconfirmed if true, but it is the sort of shit that the Qld LNP does.

we agree that leaders should have the guts to call genocides terrorism

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

When you read the report, let us know.

btw, did I mention that I hate the nukes as much as anybody?

I used to be very anti-nuke but have diametrically altered my views.

Why?

thorium good

Spiny Norman said:

Unconfirmed if true, but it is the sort of shit that the Qld LNP does.

Hardly unexpected. After all, the Premier and several Ministers were Ministers in Campbell Newman’s cabinet. We know the damage that lot did.

I certainly didn’t expect the leopards to change their spots.

SCIENCE said:

we agree that leaders should have the guts to call genocides terrorism

Do you reckon they think so if the people doing it are allies.

Has anyone actually called out an ally for human rights violations of is it a big suck up festival.

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Unconfirmed if true, but it is the sort of shit that the Qld LNP does.

Hardly unexpected. After all, the Premier and several Ministers were Ministers in Campbell Newman’s cabinet. We know the damage that lot did.

I certainly didn’t expect the leopards to change their spots.

Cue a line from the “Leopards Eating My Face” party.

sarahs mum said:

this a fun interview. watch for the interviewer not listening to the responses as she deals with the producer melting down in her ear.

Sky News Host PANICS During Climate Activist Interview
link

Well, we can see why she’s not hosting The 7:30 Report.

She’s probably more used to interviewing people from the Institute of Public Affairs, andthe Business Council of Australia, whose ideas jibe moreclosely with those of Sky News and its owner.

She had her instructions: badger this tree-hugger, until he loses it and admits to being some kind of fifth-columnist.

Was neither ready for or prepared for someone who’s well-informed, self-contrilled, lucid, and who refuses to be distracted from a sensible position.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

we agree that leaders should have the guts to call genocides terrorism

Do you reckon they think so if the people doing it are allies.

Has anyone actually called out an ally for human rights violations of is it a big suck up festival.

depends the kind of fellas you call friends but

if our* friends* were doing something wrong we’d be trying to call it out

*: if we had any

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

this a fun interview. watch for the interviewer not listening to the responses as she deals with the producer melting down in her ear.

Sky News Host PANICS During Climate Activist Interview
link

Well, we can see why she’s not hosting The 7:30 Report.

She’s probably more used to interviewing people from the Institute of Public Affairs, andthe Business Council of Australia, whose ideas jibe moreclosely with those of Sky News and its owner.

She had her instructions: badger this tree-hugger, until he loses it and admits to being some kind of fifth-columnist.

Was neither ready for or prepared for someone who’s well-informed, self-contrilled, lucid, and who refuses to be distracted from a sensible position.

ended up being more an expose on skynews

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

this a fun interview. watch for the interviewer not listening to the responses as she deals with the producer melting down in her ear.

Sky News Host PANICS During Climate Activist Interview
link

Well, we can see why she’s not hosting The 7:30 Report.

She’s probably more used to interviewing people from the Institute of Public Affairs, andthe Business Council of Australia, whose ideas jibe moreclosely with those of Sky News and its owner.

She had her instructions: badger this tree-hugger, until he loses it and admits to being some kind of fifth-columnist.

Was neither ready for or prepared for someone who’s well-informed, self-contrilled, lucid, and who refuses to be distracted from a sensible position.

ended up being more an expose on skynews

You could tell that she was feeling out of her depth, when she started messing with her luxuriant and oh-so-carefully-arranged hair.

captain_spalding said:

She had her instructions: badger this tree-hugger, until he loses it and admits to being some kind of fifth-columnist.

Was neither ready for or prepared for someone who’s well-informed, self-contrilled, lucid, and who refuses to be distracted from a sensible position.

don’t worry the DPRNAoles have perfected how to deal with those well-informed, self-contrilled, lucid, sensible positions and these dealings are coming soon to a country near (d <= 0) yous

sarahs mum said:

this a fun interview. watch for the interviewer not listening to the responses as she deals with the producer melting down in her ear.

Sky News Host PANICS During Climate Activist Interview
link

On the AM Agenda web page, it says that “AM Agenda host Laura Jayes clashed with the Rising Tide organiser over the group’s decision to blockade the world’s largest coal port”.

Nice euphemism there.

“…clashed with…” is, apparently, code for “ got flattened like a potato crisp under a steam-roller by”.

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

we agree that leaders should have the guts to call genocides terrorism

Do you reckon they think so if the people doing it are allies.

Has anyone actually called out an ally for human rights violations of is it a big suck up festival.

depends the kind of fellas you call friends but

if our* friends* were doing something wrong we’d be trying to call it out

*: if we had any

It just had me wondering if mindsets are so narrow that leaders truly believe everything they do is morally sound.
Everything can be justified in the name of national security, even if the current circumstances are a result of foreign interference over the last few decades.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

we agree that leaders should have the guts to call genocides terrorism

Do you reckon they think so if the people doing it are allies.

Has anyone actually called out an ally for human rights violations of is it a big suck up festival.

These questions of yours are very leading: surely you must know that western democracies frequently call out their_own_ human rights violations let alone that of allies. You let your cynicism make you a very lazy thinker.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Do you reckon they think so if the people doing it are allies.

Has anyone actually called out an ally for human rights violations of is it a big suck up festival.

depends the kind of fellas you call friends but

if our* friends* were doing something wrong we’d be trying to call it out

*: if we had any

It just had me wondering if mindsets are so narrow that leaders truly believe everything they do is morally sound.
Everything can be justified in the name of national security, even if the current circumstances are a result of foreign interference over the last few decades.

ah well we guess the whole IGDAF Brereton thing did get some traction at least

National Grid Could Be Entirely Powered by Peter Dutton’s Bullshit, CSIRO Finds

An analysis by Australia’s national science agency has found that Australia’s energy needs could be wholly met by the absolute nonsense spouted by Opposition leader Peter Dutton.

In a report released today, the CSIRO found that by feeding in a mix of Dutton’s bullshit and hot air to the national grid, Australia could power its homes and businesses, without the need for other sources of energy. “This is an energy source that is abundant, free and 100% renewable. It really is remarkable,” a CSIRO spokesperson said.

Analysis shows that Dutton provides a stable, consistent baseload of bullshit, with occasional peaks. “We found that there are times when his bullshit spikes – generally when there is a scandal or stuff up that he wants to divert attention from. We’re looking at ways to capture that excess energy created during these peak times, and export it to our trading partners”.

Ian said:

National Grid Could Be Entirely Powered by Peter Dutton’s Bullshit, CSIRO Finds

An analysis by Australia’s national science agency has found that Australia’s energy needs could be wholly met by the absolute nonsense spouted by Opposition leader Peter Dutton.

In a report released today, the CSIRO found that by feeding in a mix of Dutton’s bullshit and hot air to the national grid, Australia could power its homes and businesses, without the need for other sources of energy. “This is an energy source that is abundant, free and 100% renewable. It really is remarkable,” a CSIRO spokesperson said.

Analysis shows that Dutton provides a stable, consistent baseload of bullshit, with occasional peaks. “We found that there are times when his bullshit spikes – generally when there is a scandal or stuff up that he wants to divert attention from. We’re looking at ways to capture that excess energy created during these peak times, and export it to our trading partners”.

PMSL

Brilliant.

:)

Michael V said:

Ian said:

National Grid Could Be Entirely Powered by Peter Dutton’s Bullshit, CSIRO Finds

An analysis by Australia’s national science agency has found that Australia’s energy needs could be wholly met by the absolute nonsense spouted by Opposition leader Peter Dutton.

In a report released today, the CSIRO found that by feeding in a mix of Dutton’s bullshit and hot air to the national grid, Australia could power its homes and businesses, without the need for other sources of energy. “This is an energy source that is abundant, free and 100% renewable. It really is remarkable,” a CSIRO spokesperson said.

Analysis shows that Dutton provides a stable, consistent baseload of bullshit, with occasional peaks. “We found that there are times when his bullshit spikes – generally when there is a scandal or stuff up that he wants to divert attention from. We’re looking at ways to capture that excess energy created during these peak times, and export it to our trading partners”.

PMSL

Brilliant.

:)

^

08 December 2024
Peter Dutton is in Lyons again with salmon workers and cash for Sorell project
Sue Bailey

TASMANIA, AUSTRALIA – NewsWire Photos – Sunday, 10 November 2024: Leader of the Opposition Peter Dutton speaks to media at Littlewood Berry Farm in Richmond, Tasmania.

Federal Opposition leader Peter Dutton is making his second visit to the key seat of Lyons in a month with a cash splash for a community cultural precinct at Sorell.

Mr Dutton, Liberal Senator Jonathon Duniam and Liberal candidate for Lyons Susie Bower will meet with salmon industry workers in Triabunna and also announce $2.25m for the Sorell project which includes the relocation of the men’s shed.
On his last visit he promised $150m for an irrigation scheme to provide a vital water supply for farmers in Tasmania’s South-East.

The Liberals are hoping to win back Lyons, one of the most marginal seats in Australia and held by Labor for three terms.
Mr Dutton has said he wants to ensure the future of the salmon industry in Macquarie Harbour and the rest of the state.
“We would end this drawn out uncertainty and make a decision in favour of industry and we would change the laws to ensure this never happens again,” he said.

“This will now be the second Christmas salmon workers have been denied certainty by (Prime Minister) Mr Albanese.”
Senator Duniam said Labor had a history of “teaming up with the Greens”

“Labor and the Greens stopped the Franklin Dam, they stopped two pulp mills from being built, they’ve decimated the forestry industry, and now they’re looking to shut down the salmon industry,” he said.

Ms Bower accused Labor of “trading salmon jobs to keep mainland Greens happy”.

“The salmon industry has reinvigorated the town of Triabunna,” she said.

“Rebecca White and Labor can’t be trusted not to do another deal with the Greens that would see the shut down of the salmon industry and communities like this.”

The Sorell cultural precinct has been a priority project for the Sorell Council — under an elected Dutton Government.
The funding will deliver an amphitheatre and performing arts facilities, food truck spaces, accessible seating and paths, gardens and public amenities.

With a co-contribution funding from the Sorell Council, the Sorell Men’s Shed will relocate from Station Lane.
Mr Dutton said Ms Bower had been a “fierce advocate” for the project.

“She is working every day to represent the needs of her local community and that’s why this great new precinct will make Sorell’s centre an even more attractive place to spend time in and will drive more activity to local businesses.

“Men’s Sheds are a really important part of communities. They assist thousands of men and their families across the country and I’m pleased that this funding will assist in making sure they have the facilities they need to continue to thrive and support their membership.”

Ms Bower said the community precinct and the relocation of the men’s shed was “a game changer for Sorell”.
“This project has been in the works since 2018, but this funding will finally make it a reality.”

susan.bailey@news.com.au

Witty Rejoinder said:

So Australia is the stablest democracy in the world?

That’s a bit of a worry.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So Australia is the stablest democracy in the world?

That’s a bit of a worry.

Hardly surprising.

But this is just for the G20 anyway

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So Australia is the stablest democracy in the world?

That’s a bit of a worry.

but there is some pissedoffness with gina and the ruperts.

Separated at birth”

Senator the Hon Murray Watt

Mr Ted O’Brien MP

Peter Dutton says he won’t stand in front of an indigenous flag as PM.

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton says he won’t stand in front of an indigenous flag as PM.

and people will continue to support the colonial mindset

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton says he won’t stand in front of an indigenous flag as PM.

Hopefully that’s ‘cos he’ll never be PM.

Bubblecar said:

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton says he won’t stand in front of an indigenous flag as PM.

Hopefully that’s ‘cos he’ll never be PM.

We live in hope.

Bubblecar said:

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton says he won’t stand in front of an indigenous flag as PM.

Hopefully that’s ‘cos he’ll never be PM.

:)

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So Australia is the stablest democracy in the world?

That’s a bit of a worry.

but there is some pissedoffness with gina and the ruperts.

maybe it’s like the pandemic preparedness claims that were made in 2019 hilarious

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton says he won’t stand in front of an indigenous flag as PM.

racist shit.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton says he won’t stand in front of an indigenous flag as PM.

racist shit.

And we can add to it this allegation:

ABC News:

I mean, you wouldn’t put it past him, would you?

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton says he won’t stand in front of an indigenous flag as PM.

racist shit.

He does have a point (Possibly incorrectly)

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton says he won’t stand in front of an indigenous flag as PM.

racist shit.

He does have a point (Possibly incorrectly)

Labor’s Josh Burns was also asked while on RN Breakfast. He said it was more divisive to exclude the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flag.

“I’ve always been proud to stand in front of all three of them,” he said.

“If Peter Dutton, wants to play these sorts of cultural wars, well that shows what sort of prime minister he wants to be.”

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton says he won’t stand in front of an indigenous flag as PM.

racist shit.

I read that as Indonesian flag at first.

Good thing I’m getting my eyes checked today.

sarahs mum said:

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

racist shit.

He does have a point (Possibly incorrectly)

Labor’s Josh Burns was also asked while on RN Breakfast. He said it was more divisive to exclude the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flag.

“I’ve always been proud to stand in front of all three of them,” he said.

“If Peter Dutton, wants to play these sorts of cultural wars, well that shows what sort of prime minister he wants to be.”

I don’t think Dutton is Josh Burns’ favourite person at the moment. I suspect a grudge may well have formed. It may well stick, too.

Burns represents a Jewish community, and has very strong Jewish roots. Not the enemy Dutton needs.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton says he won’t stand in front of an indigenous flag as PM.

racist shit.

I read that as Indonesian flag at first.

Good thing I’m getting my eyes checked today.

A bit of trivia re the Indonesian flag.
After Indonesia regained its independence from the Netherlands they didn’t have a flag so, being practical people they simply tore the blue stripe off the bottom of the Netherlands’ flag.

Big Fusion Shills Throw Shade On Corruption

SCIENCE said:

Big Fusion Shills Throw Shade On Corruption

Still 20 years until fusion power…

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Big Fusion Shills Throw Shade On Corruption

Still 20 years until fusion power…

The first of a long line of 20 years.
In 1934, Mark Oliphant, Paul Harteck and Ernest Rutherford were the first to achieve fusion on Earth, using a particle accelerator to shoot deuterium nuclei into metal foil containing deuterium or other atoms

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Big Fusion Shills Throw Shade On Corruption

Still 20 years until fusion power…

The first of a long line of 20 years.
In 1934, Mark Oliphant, Paul Harteck and Ernest Rutherford were the first to achieve fusion on Earth, using a particle accelerator to shoot deuterium nuclei into metal foil containing deuterium or other atoms

Still waiting.

sorry we meant the big one up there like a pie in the sky

SCIENCE said:

sorry we meant the big one up there like a pie in the sky

Ah, I get it now.

Thanks.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

sorry we meant the big one up there like a pie in the sky

Ah, I get it now.

Thanks.

anyway some clear skies today so we’re getting our sunk costs’ worth

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

sorry we meant the big one up there like a pie in the sky

Ah, I get it now.

Thanks.

anyway some clear skies today so we’re getting our sunk costs’ worth

All clear here and still zero wind. 27 degrees.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

sorry we meant the big one up there like a pie in the sky

Ah, I get it now.

Thanks.

anyway some clear skies today so we’re getting our sunk costs’ worth

Overcast here, unfortunately.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Ah, I get it now.

Thanks.

anyway some clear skies today so we’re getting our sunk costs’ worth

All clear here and still zero wind. 27 degrees.

Nice eh, what summer should be like, like 20 years ago it was.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway some clear skies today so we’re getting our sunk costs’ worth

All clear here and still zero wind. 27 degrees.

Nice eh, what summer should be like, like 20 years ago it was.

Zero wind, 0/8 cloud, 30°, low/medium fire danger.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Big Fusion Shills Throw Shade On Corruption

Still 20 years until fusion power…

It’s been such a long 20 years, hasn’t it…

buffy said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Big Fusion Shills Throw Shade On Corruption

Still 20 years until fusion power…

It’s been such a long 20 years, hasn’t it…

correct, we had the first such household power plants for kilometres around, 20 years ago, suburban area too we mean not like we had the only roof for kilometres, and only in the past 10 had it really taken off so it’s been a transformative 20 years indeed

So we saw this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-10/albanese-vows-scrap-childcare-activity-test-if-labor-reelected/104708894

article and wondered what Australian family

Under the proposed policy, the test would be replaced with a guaranteed three days of subsidised childcare for all families earning less than $530,000 a year.

was rolling in AUD530k/year so we did a search without asking for generating 癌 but it gave us some anyway, it gave us

this which sure it contains some information about the matter but damn if they could make it any more helpful.

SCIENCE said:

oh wow they even censored our comment

we were going to say

free country

Former intelligence officer Neil Fergus raided by ASIO and AFP after Four Corners appearance

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-11/ex-asio-officer-neil-fergus-raided-after-four-corners-appearance/104709584

The wheels of Justice turn slowly, that’s for sure.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-12/bruce-lehrmann-rape-charges-indictment-qld-toowoomba-court/104716668

Michael V said:

The wheels of Justice turn slowly, that’s for sure.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-12/bruce-lehrmann-rape-charges-indictment-qld-toowoomba-court/104716668

Leis hope the wheels grind him slowly.

Michael V said:

The wheels of Justice turn slowly, that’s for sure.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-12/bruce-lehrmann-rape-charges-indictment-qld-toowoomba-court/104716668

They do, we have people remanded off for sentencing into the middle of next year already.

That though is also because when certain types of reports are ordered they have minimum timeframes of many months.

oooh typical Labor communists and their new taxes this is bad, it’s communism so it’s bad

Facebook, Google and TikTok to fund Australian journalism under new tax plan from government

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-12/government-forces-facebook-google-to-pay-for-australian-news/104717608

SCIENCE said:

oooh typical Labor communists and their new taxes this is bad, it’s communism so it’s bad

Facebook, Google and TikTok to fund Australian journalism under new tax plan from government

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-12/government-forces-facebook-google-to-pay-for-australian-news/104717608

They’ll probably simply stop publishing Australian news.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

oooh typical Labor communists and their new taxes this is bad, it’s communism so it’s bad

Facebook, Google and TikTok to fund Australian journalism under new tax plan from government

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-12/government-forces-facebook-google-to-pay-for-australian-news/104717608

They’ll probably simply stop publishing Australian news.

Yeah
I imagine they are peeved the platforms they set up to manipulate the population and steal information are being scrutinised

Bit unfortunate for the local theatrical run of Wicked to be started at the same time as the release of the film

dv said:

Bit unfortunate for the local theatrical run of Wicked to be started at the same time as the release of the film

You are probably in the wrong thread here. I didn’t like the stage show. I’ve not read the book. My sister is more into stage shows than I am, and she didn’t like it either. I only found that our feelings about it coincide about a month ago. I saw it on the 2008 run in Melbourne. She saw the Houston show, years ago.

buffy said:

dv said:

Bit unfortunate for the local theatrical run of Wicked to be started at the same time as the release of the film

You are probably in the wrong thread here. I didn’t like the stage show. I’ve not read the book. My sister is more into stage shows than I am, and she didn’t like it either. I only found that our feelings about it coincide about a month ago. I saw it on the 2008 run in Melbourne. She saw the Houston show, years ago.

Probably had a problem being Houston

buffy said:

dv said:

Bit unfortunate for the local theatrical run of Wicked to be started at the same time as the release of the film

You are probably in the wrong thread here. I didn’t like the stage show. I’ve not read the book. My sister is more into stage shows than I am, and she didn’t like it either. I only found that our feelings about it coincide about a month ago. I saw it on the 2008 run in Melbourne. She saw the Houston show, years ago.

kii said:

buffy said:

dv said:

Bit unfortunate for the local theatrical run of Wicked to be started at the same time as the release of the film

You are probably in the wrong thread here. I didn’t like the stage show. I’ve not read the book. My sister is more into stage shows than I am, and she didn’t like it either. I only found that our feelings about it coincide about a month ago. I saw it on the 2008 run in Melbourne. She saw the Houston show, years ago.

:)

Michael V said:

kii said:

buffy said:

You are probably in the wrong thread here. I didn’t like the stage show. I’ve not read the book. My sister is more into stage shows than I am, and she didn’t like it either. I only found that our feelings about it coincide about a month ago. I saw it on the 2008 run in Melbourne. She saw the Houston show, years ago.

:)

Not All Evangelical Christians

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

kii said:

:)

Not All Evangelical Christians

All the crap people believe

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

:)

Not All Evangelical Christians

All the crap people believe

I believe for every drop of rain that falls a flower grows

LOL guess that settles it, time to elect Corruption forever¡

The modelling, done at no charge by Frontier Economics, costs the Coalition plan for the transition of the National Electricity Market (which covers the east coast and South Australia but excludes Western Australia) at $263 billion (about 44 per cent) cheaper than its estimate for Labor’s transition. It includes nuclear construction costs. The modelling, including a range of assumptions (the same assumptions as the Australian Energy Market Operator except for the inclusion of nuclear), puts the cost of Labor’s transition in the National Electricity Market at $594 billion and that of the Coalition’s at $331 billion.

SCIENCE said:

LOL guess that settles it, time to elect Corruption forever¡

The modelling, done at no charge by Frontier Economics, costs the Coalition plan for the transition of the National Electricity Market (which covers the east coast and South Australia but excludes Western Australia) at $263 billion (about 44 per cent) cheaper than its estimate for Labor’s transition. It includes nuclear construction costs. The modelling, including a range of assumptions (the same assumptions as the Australian Energy Market Operator except for the inclusion of nuclear), puts the cost of Labor’s transition in the National Electricity Market at $594 billion and that of the Coalition’s at $331 billion.

so who’s correct

The Coalition has presented modelling that suggests its nuclear policy would cost over $300 billion, which it argues is cheaper than Labor’s proposal. The policy would see the first nuclear power plant operational by 2036, with 14GW of capacity by 2050.

Labor has dismissed the policy as “a fantasy,” citing this week’s report by CSIRO and the energy market operator which found nuclear was more expensive than renewables.

SCIENCE said:

The policy would see the first nuclear power plant operational by 2036, with 14GW of capacity by 2050.

They’re taking the piss. The transition to renewables will basically be complete by 2036.

sarahs mum said:

To be fair, he’s standing in front of those, not behind them.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL guess that settles it, time to elect Corruption forever¡

The modelling, done at no charge by Frontier Economics, costs the Coalition plan for the transition of the National Electricity Market (which covers the east coast and South Australia but excludes Western Australia) at $263 billion (about 44 per cent) cheaper than its estimate for Labor’s transition. It includes nuclear construction costs. The modelling, including a range of assumptions (the same assumptions as the Australian Energy Market Operator except for the inclusion of nuclear), puts the cost of Labor’s transition in the National Electricity Market at $594 billion and that of the Coalition’s at $331 billion.

so who’s correct

The Coalition has presented modelling that suggests its nuclear policy would cost over $300 billion, which it argues is cheaper than Labor’s proposal. The policy would see the first nuclear power plant operational by 2036, with 14GW of capacity by 2050.

Labor has dismissed the policy as “a fantasy,” citing this week’s report by CSIRO and the energy market operator which found nuclear was more expensive than renewables.

Just heard this reported on our ABC, and in the intro they mentioned that the nuke costs for the next 25 years were lower because most of the cost had been allocated outside the next 25 years, but then they said no more about it, and it wasn’t mentioned by the expert they spoke to, who just said we don’t really know what all this stuff will cost.

sarahs mum said:

One, maybe that is his national flag.

Two, it’s a right to left reading language so that isn’t standing behind it, that’s in front of it.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

The policy would see the first nuclear power plant operational by 2036, with 14GW of capacity by 2050.

They’re taking the piss. The transition to renewables will basically be complete by 2036.

wait so yet again we see the Communists pay basically upfront over 12 years for essentially free energy thereafter, while the Corruption want to lock us into forever contracts that cost significantly less for 3 to 4 election cycles but will continue to cost that significantly less amount thereafter

cool

sarahs mum said:

Oh dear.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL guess that settles it, time to elect Corruption forever¡

The modelling, done at no charge by Frontier Economics, costs the Coalition plan for the transition of the National Electricity Market (which covers the east coast and South Australia but excludes Western Australia) at $263 billion (about 44 per cent) cheaper than its estimate for Labor’s transition. It includes nuclear construction costs. The modelling, including a range of assumptions (the same assumptions as the Australian Energy Market Operator except for the inclusion of nuclear), puts the cost of Labor’s transition in the National Electricity Market at $594 billion and that of the Coalition’s at $331 billion.

so who’s correct

The Coalition has presented modelling that suggests its nuclear policy would cost over $300 billion, which it argues is cheaper than Labor’s proposal. The policy would see the first nuclear power plant operational by 2036, with 14GW of capacity by 2050.

Labor has dismissed the policy as “a fantasy,” citing this week’s report by CSIRO and the energy market operator which found nuclear was more expensive than renewables.

Well, the modelling was certainly cheaper. I can hear a little voice telling me you get what you pay for.

The best solution is 80% renewables 20% nuclear.
Done, get on with it.
dusts hands

Labor MP Rebecca White (former leader of the Opposition down here) knocked on my door this afternoon and we had a brief chat. She gave me a little notepad with her picture on it.

Says she’ll be going into Federal politics soon.

Bubblecar said:

Labor MP Rebecca White (former leader of the Opposition down here) knocked on my door this afternoon and we had a brief chat. She gave me a little notepad with her picture on it.

Says she’ll be going into Federal politics soon.

lower or upper house?

Bubblecar said:

Labor MP Rebecca White (former leader of the Opposition down here) knocked on my door this afternoon and we had a brief chat. She gave me a little notepad with her picture on it.

Says she’ll be going into Federal politics soon.

Blimey I would not have thought you get many such up your way.

I can’t even get a call back from Senator Jordan Steele John.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Labor MP Rebecca White (former leader of the Opposition down here) knocked on my door this afternoon and we had a brief chat. She gave me a little notepad with her picture on it.

Says she’ll be going into Federal politics soon.

Blimey I would not have thought you get many such up your way.

I can’t even get a call back from Senator Jordan Steele John.

You may have thought it was a prank call.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Labor MP Rebecca White (former leader of the Opposition down here) knocked on my door this afternoon and we had a brief chat. She gave me a little notepad with her picture on it.

Says she’ll be going into Federal politics soon.

lower or upper house?

I don’t recall her mentioning. It was just one of those rather rare local door-knockings, urging me to contact her if I have anything that requires an MP’s help etc.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Labor MP Rebecca White (former leader of the Opposition down here) knocked on my door this afternoon and we had a brief chat. She gave me a little notepad with her picture on it.

Says she’ll be going into Federal politics soon.

lower or upper house?

I don’t recall her mentioning. It was just one of those rather rare local door-knockings, urging me to contact her if I have anything that requires an MP’s help etc.

I’d have told her she should have pressed harder to form government.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

lower or upper house?

I don’t recall her mentioning. It was just one of those rather rare local door-knockings, urging me to contact her if I have anything that requires an MP’s help etc.

I’d have told her she should have pressed harder to form government.

I wasn’t at all expecting such a visit and in fact it took me a moment or two to remember her place in the scheme of things.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

I don’t recall her mentioning. It was just one of those rather rare local door-knockings, urging me to contact her if I have anything that requires an MP’s help etc.

I’d have told her she should have pressed harder to form government.

I wasn’t at all expecting such a visit and in fact it took me a moment or two to remember her place in the scheme of things.

you didn’t mention that you weren’t enrolled?

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL guess that settles it, time to elect Corruption forever¡

The modelling, done at no charge by Frontier Economics, costs the Coalition plan for the transition of the National Electricity Market (which covers the east coast and South Australia but excludes Western Australia) at $263 billion (about 44 per cent) cheaper than its estimate for Labor’s transition. It includes nuclear construction costs. The modelling, including a range of assumptions (the same assumptions as the Australian Energy Market Operator except for the inclusion of nuclear), puts the cost of Labor’s transition in the National Electricity Market at $594 billion and that of the Coalition’s at $331 billion.

so who’s correct

The Coalition has presented modelling that suggests its nuclear policy would cost over $300 billion, which it argues is cheaper than Labor’s proposal. The policy would see the first nuclear power plant operational by 2036, with 14GW of capacity by 2050.

Labor has dismissed the policy as “a fantasy,” citing this week’s report by CSIRO and the energy market operator which found nuclear was more expensive than renewables.

Well, the modelling was certainly cheaper. I can hear a little voice telling me you get what you pay for.

other article said it was provided free of charge

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

I’d have told her she should have pressed harder to form government.

I wasn’t at all expecting such a visit and in fact it took me a moment or two to remember her place in the scheme of things.

you didn’t mention that you weren’t enrolled?

No.

Nuclear Neverland: The Lost Boys of Costings | The West Report
It’s hard to take the Coalition’s nuclear energy policy seriously, so we didn’t. And frankly, why would they put taxpayers on the hook for the biggest public funded project in history when renewables are crowding private investment en masse?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSeaybp9oAA

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

I wasn’t at all expecting such a visit and in fact it took me a moment or two to remember her place in the scheme of things.

you didn’t mention that you weren’t enrolled?

No.

:)

Spiny Norman said:

Nuclear Neverland: The Lost Boys of Costings | The West Report
It’s hard to take the Coalition’s nuclear energy policy seriously, so we didn’t. And frankly, why would they put taxpayers on the hook for the biggest public funded project in history when renewables are crowding private investment en masse?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSeaybp9oAA

All Dutton wants is a knee jerk reaction from the voters.

Even if elected, the party will likely not go ahead with it anyway.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

I wasn’t at all expecting such a visit and in fact it took me a moment or two to remember her place in the scheme of things.

you didn’t mention that you weren’t enrolled?

No.

No doubt she discovered you are an on-line influencer, so not voting really isn’t that important.

Peak Warming Man said:

The best solution is 80% renewables 20% nuclear.
Done, get on with it.
dusts hands

I’m technology agnostic so crazy old me wants to go with what is cheapest.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

you didn’t mention that you weren’t enrolled?

No.

No doubt she discovered you are an on-line influencer, so not voting really isn’t that important.

My serial killer techniques are based on how Rodney was “disappeared”

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

you didn’t mention that you weren’t enrolled?

No.

No doubt she discovered you are an on-line influencer, so not voting really isn’t that important.

An online influencer of markedly little influence.

What Dutton know is that there are sufficient NIMBY’s out there that any proposed nuclear power plant will be stalled for donkeys years. The gap will be filled by Big Coal.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

so who’s correct

The Coalition has presented modelling that suggests its nuclear policy would cost over $300 billion, which it argues is cheaper than Labor’s proposal. The policy would see the first nuclear power plant operational by 2036, with 14GW of capacity by 2050.

Labor has dismissed the policy as “a fantasy,” citing this week’s report by CSIRO and the energy market operator which found nuclear was more expensive than renewables.

Well, the modelling was certainly cheaper. I can hear a little voice telling me you get what you pay for.

other article said it was provided free of charge

ah

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-13/experts-criticise-peter-duttons-nuclear-plan/104723256

Michael V said:

What Dutton know is that there are sufficient NIMBY’s out there that any proposed nuclear power plant will be stalled for donkeys years. The gap will be filled by Big Coal.

Just saw that article.

Top energy analysts have reacted with scorn to Peter Dutton’s nuclear plan, warning it will cost more, burn more carbon and result in a smaller economy than the Coalition claims.

One economist said the Coalition had effectively modelled the difference in cost between renewables and doing nothing for the next 15 years.

sarahs mum said:

I suspect this photo does not represent today’s announcement. It doesn’t look like any of the photos at JustIn of the event.

Michael V said:

What Dutton know is that there are sufficient NIMBY’s out there that any proposed nuclear power plant will be stalled for donkeys years. The gap will be filled by Big Coal.

^

ABC News:

What can we actually learn from the Coalition’s nuclear power modelling?

Read it, and try to tell yourself that it wasn’t written by and for the coal and gas lobbies.

Lots of ‘never-you-mind-about-thats’ in the report, it seems. we’re meant to be dazzled by the shiny bits, not think about the darker bits.

Link: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/peter-dutton-coalition-nuclear-power-modelling-expert-opinion/104702664

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

What can we actually learn from the Coalition’s nuclear power modelling?

Read it, and try to tell yourself that it wasn’t written by and for the coal and gas lobbies.

Lots of ‘never-you-mind-about-thats’ in the report, it seems. we’re meant to be dazzled by the shiny bits, not think about the darker bits.

Link: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/peter-dutton-coalition-nuclear-power-modelling-expert-opinion/104702664

yeah but for false balance look at this forthright admission from Communism that they are totally the better economic managers, they understand economics, they have the fundamentals sorted

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/housing-minister-says-house-prices-shouldnt-fall/104724144

Last month, Clare O’Neil told youth radio station triple j that young people might want house prices to drop but the government did not. Ms O’Neil said increasing housing supply was the biggest issue.

sorry what happens if you increase supply and make no other interventions changes modifications adjustments

I din’t see how this Dutton nuclear policy is going to work in WA.

We are not connected to the national grid because of distance. We don’t even have a single state grid but a number of unconnected individual grids, because of distance. The grids are all state-owned and every time the WA Libs have gone to a state election with a policy of privatisation they have lost. Electricity is a state matter under the Constitution, so I can’t see how the Federal government is going to get their nuclear power plant connected to the SW grid is the state govt says “no thanks, we’re not buying any nuclear power from you”.

party_pants said:

I don’t see how this Dutton nuclear policy is going to work in WA.

We are not connected to the national grid because of distance. We don’t even have a single state grid but a number of unconnected individual grids, because of distance. The grids are all state-owned and every time the WA Libs have gone to a state election with a policy of privatisation they have lost. Electricity is a state matter under the Constitution, so I can’t see how the Federal government is going to get their nuclear power plant connected to the SW grid if the state govt says “no thanks, we’re not buying any nuclear power from you”.

edit

party_pants said:

I din’t see how this Dutton nuclear policy is going to work in WA.

We are not connected to the national grid because of distance. We don’t even have a single state grid but a number of unconnected individual grids, because of distance. The grids are all state-owned and every time the WA Libs have gone to a state election with a policy of privatisation they have lost. Electricity is a state matter under the Constitution, so I can’t see how the Federal government is going to get their nuclear power plant connected to the SW grid is the state govt says “no thanks, we’re not buying any nuclear power from you”.

It’s not about nuclear. It’s about extending coal for as long as Dutton can.

He won’t get nuclear in anywhere without a protracted fight with NIMBY’s. He probably won’t get nuclear in at all, I reckon. Meanwhile he’s extended coal’s use by 10+ years. Should get him a lot of electioneering money, and probably a high-paid job after politics.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I din’t see how this Dutton nuclear policy is going to work in WA.

We are not connected to the national grid because of distance. We don’t even have a single state grid but a number of unconnected individual grids, because of distance. The grids are all state-owned and every time the WA Libs have gone to a state election with a policy of privatisation they have lost. Electricity is a state matter under the Constitution, so I can’t see how the Federal government is going to get their nuclear power plant connected to the SW grid is the state govt says “no thanks, we’re not buying any nuclear power from you”.

It’s not about nuclear. It’s about extending coal for as long as Dutton can.

He won’t get nuclear in anywhere without a protracted fight with NIMBY’s. He probably won’t get nuclear in at all, I reckon. Meanwhile he’s extended coal’s use by 10+ years. Should get him a lot of electioneering money, and probably a high-paid job after politics.

I had not considered that.

Still, in WA we don’t use that much coal, we rely on NG instead. Our energy mix is very different to the other side of the country. It still makes no sense to plonk a nuclear plant in WA.

Sportsbet is paying 2.10 for the ALP win next year.

I think that’s pretty good money. It’s been 95 years since a party was not given a second term in government, and that was because of the start of the Depression.
Also Antony Green’s analysis indicates the Coalition has the mountain to climb to form majority government.

https://www.abc.net.au/dat/news/elections/federal/2025/guide/FED2025_PostRedistPendulum.pdf

There is a new seat in WA called Bullwinkel, which will probably be very close. Two seats have been abolished: Higgins in Victoria held by Labor’s Michelle Ananda-Rajah and the Div North Sydney held by Teal Kylea Tink.

The composition of parliament has changed a little since the 2022 election. Andrew Gee, member for Calare, resigned from the Nationals because of their opposition to The Voice. I would expect that this seat will flip back to Nats in 2025. Russell Broadbent of Monash also left the Libs after losing a pre-selection battle: against, I expect the Libs to win this back next year.
One change that might stick is that the ALP picked up Aston in a by-election: it’s very rare for incumbent govts to pick up seats in by-elections because quite often voters use them as a protest vote.

Not counting Monash and Calare, then, the Lishun needs to pick up net 19 seats to win a majority. This would require something like a 4% swing. They haven’t made a lot of friends in parliament: they can probably count on the Katter Party, and the Centre Alliance would be up for negotiation

dv said:

Sportsbet is paying 2.10 for the ALP win next year.

I think that’s pretty good money. It’s been 95 years since a party was not given a second term in government, and that was because of the start of the Depression.
Also Antony Green’s analysis indicates the Coalition has the mountain to climb to form majority government.

https://www.abc.net.au/dat/news/elections/federal/2025/guide/FED2025_PostRedistPendulum.pdf

There is a new seat in WA called Bullwinkel, which will probably be very close. Two seats have been abolished: Higgins in Victoria held by Labor’s Michelle Ananda-Rajah and the Div North Sydney held by Teal Kylea Tink.

The composition of parliament has changed a little since the 2022 election. Andrew Gee, member for Calare, resigned from the Nationals because of their opposition to The Voice. I would expect that this seat will flip back to Nats in 2025. Russell Broadbent of Monash also left the Libs after losing a pre-selection battle: against, I expect the Libs to win this back next year.
One change that might stick is that the ALP picked up Aston in a by-election: it’s very rare for incumbent govts to pick up seats in by-elections because quite often voters use them as a protest vote.

Not counting Monash and Calare, then, the Lishun needs to pick up net 19 seats to win a majority. This would require something like a 4% swing. They haven’t made a lot of friends in parliament: they can probably count on the Katter Party, and the Centre Alliance would be up for negotiation

BtW Bullwinkel is named after nursing sister Lt Vivian Bullwinkel, the only Australian survivor of the Bangka Island massacre.
She was later Director of Nursing Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital, and was involved in Operation Babylift in 1975.

dv said:

dv said:

Sportsbet is paying 2.10 for the ALP win next year.

I think that’s pretty good money. It’s been 95 years since a party was not given a second term in government, and that was because of the start of the Depression.
Also Antony Green’s analysis indicates the Coalition has the mountain to climb to form majority government.

https://www.abc.net.au/dat/news/elections/federal/2025/guide/FED2025_PostRedistPendulum.pdf

There is a new seat in WA called Bullwinkel, which will probably be very close. Two seats have been abolished: Higgins in Victoria held by Labor’s Michelle Ananda-Rajah and the Div North Sydney held by Teal Kylea Tink.

The composition of parliament has changed a little since the 2022 election. Andrew Gee, member for Calare, resigned from the Nationals because of their opposition to The Voice. I would expect that this seat will flip back to Nats in 2025. Russell Broadbent of Monash also left the Libs after losing a pre-selection battle: against, I expect the Libs to win this back next year.
One change that might stick is that the ALP picked up Aston in a by-election: it’s very rare for incumbent govts to pick up seats in by-elections because quite often voters use them as a protest vote.

Not counting Monash and Calare, then, the Lishun needs to pick up net 19 seats to win a majority. This would require something like a 4% swing. They haven’t made a lot of friends in parliament: they can probably count on the Katter Party, and the Centre Alliance would be up for negotiation

BtW Bullwinkel is named after nursing sister Lt Vivian Bullwinkel, the only Australian survivor of the Bangka Island massacre.
She was later Director of Nursing Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital, and was involved in Operation Babylift in 1975.

Good to hear it wasn’t named after an American cartoon.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

dv said:

Sportsbet is paying 2.10 for the ALP win next year.

I think that’s pretty good money. It’s been 95 years since a party was not given a second term in government, and that was because of the start of the Depression.
Also Antony Green’s analysis indicates the Coalition has the mountain to climb to form majority government.

https://www.abc.net.au/dat/news/elections/federal/2025/guide/FED2025_PostRedistPendulum.pdf

There is a new seat in WA called Bullwinkel, which will probably be very close. Two seats have been abolished: Higgins in Victoria held by Labor’s Michelle Ananda-Rajah and the Div North Sydney held by Teal Kylea Tink.

The composition of parliament has changed a little since the 2022 election. Andrew Gee, member for Calare, resigned from the Nationals because of their opposition to The Voice. I would expect that this seat will flip back to Nats in 2025. Russell Broadbent of Monash also left the Libs after losing a pre-selection battle: against, I expect the Libs to win this back next year.
One change that might stick is that the ALP picked up Aston in a by-election: it’s very rare for incumbent govts to pick up seats in by-elections because quite often voters use them as a protest vote.

Not counting Monash and Calare, then, the Lishun needs to pick up net 19 seats to win a majority. This would require something like a 4% swing. They haven’t made a lot of friends in parliament: they can probably count on the Katter Party, and the Centre Alliance would be up for negotiation

BtW Bullwinkel is named after nursing sister Lt Vivian Bullwinkel, the only Australian survivor of the Bangka Island massacre.
She was later Director of Nursing Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital, and was involved in Operation Babylift in 1975.

Good to hear it wasn’t named after an American cartoon.

The Division of Batman in Victoria is now Cooper.

giggles quietly

dv said:

dv said:

Sportsbet is paying 2.10 for the ALP win next year.

I think that’s pretty good money. It’s been 95 years since a party was not given a second term in government, and that was because of the start of the Depression.
Also Antony Green’s analysis indicates the Coalition has the mountain to climb to form majority government.

https://www.abc.net.au/dat/news/elections/federal/2025/guide/FED2025_PostRedistPendulum.pdf

There is a new seat in WA called Bullwinkel, which will probably be very close. Two seats have been abolished: Higgins in Victoria held by Labor’s Michelle Ananda-Rajah and the Div North Sydney held by Teal Kylea Tink.

The composition of parliament has changed a little since the 2022 election. Andrew Gee, member for Calare, resigned from the Nationals because of their opposition to The Voice. I would expect that this seat will flip back to Nats in 2025. Russell Broadbent of Monash also left the Libs after losing a pre-selection battle: against, I expect the Libs to win this back next year.
One change that might stick is that the ALP picked up Aston in a by-election: it’s very rare for incumbent govts to pick up seats in by-elections because quite often voters use them as a protest vote.

Not counting Monash and Calare, then, the Lishun needs to pick up net 19 seats to win a majority. This would require something like a 4% swing. They haven’t made a lot of friends in parliament: they can probably count on the Katter Party, and the Centre Alliance would be up for negotiation

BtW Bullwinkel is named after nursing sister Lt Vivian Bullwinkel, the only Australian survivor of the Bangka Island massacre.
She was later Director of Nursing Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital, and was involved in Operation Babylift in 1975.

mr buffy’s mother knew her and talked about her. She admired Viv a lot.

Mr buffy’s mother was a nurse educator at Repat Hospital in Heidelberg from 1959 and then at Box Hill Hospital from 1961. She was principal of the School of Nursing at the Austin Hospital in 1969 and returned to Box Hill in 1972 as a Sister Tutor. She resigned due to ill health in 1974. She was made a Life Governor of Box Hill Hospital. In her retirement she published a textbook “Medical nursing” and then edited a further two books, “Surgical Nursing” and “Australian Nursing, an introduction”.

buffy said:

dv said:

dv said:

Sportsbet is paying 2.10 for the ALP win next year.

I think that’s pretty good money. It’s been 95 years since a party was not given a second term in government, and that was because of the start of the Depression.
Also Antony Green’s analysis indicates the Coalition has the mountain to climb to form majority government.

https://www.abc.net.au/dat/news/elections/federal/2025/guide/FED2025_PostRedistPendulum.pdf

There is a new seat in WA called Bullwinkel, which will probably be very close. Two seats have been abolished: Higgins in Victoria held by Labor’s Michelle Ananda-Rajah and the Div North Sydney held by Teal Kylea Tink.

The composition of parliament has changed a little since the 2022 election. Andrew Gee, member for Calare, resigned from the Nationals because of their opposition to The Voice. I would expect that this seat will flip back to Nats in 2025. Russell Broadbent of Monash also left the Libs after losing a pre-selection battle: against, I expect the Libs to win this back next year.
One change that might stick is that the ALP picked up Aston in a by-election: it’s very rare for incumbent govts to pick up seats in by-elections because quite often voters use them as a protest vote.

Not counting Monash and Calare, then, the Lishun needs to pick up net 19 seats to win a majority. This would require something like a 4% swing. They haven’t made a lot of friends in parliament: they can probably count on the Katter Party, and the Centre Alliance would be up for negotiation

BtW Bullwinkel is named after nursing sister Lt Vivian Bullwinkel, the only Australian survivor of the Bangka Island massacre.
She was later Director of Nursing Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital, and was involved in Operation Babylift in 1975.

mr buffy’s mother knew her and talked about her. She admired Viv a lot.

Mr buffy’s mother was a nurse educator at Repat Hospital in Heidelberg from 1959 and then at Box Hill Hospital from 1961. She was principal of the School of Nursing at the Austin Hospital in 1969 and returned to Box Hill in 1972 as a Sister Tutor. She resigned due to ill health in 1974. She was made a Life Governor of Box Hill Hospital. In her retirement she published a textbook “Medical nursing” and then edited a further two books, “Surgical Nursing” and “Australian Nursing, an introduction”.

A worthy career indeed.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

dv said:

Sportsbet is paying 2.10 for the ALP win next year.

I think that’s pretty good money. It’s been 95 years since a party was not given a second term in government, and that was because of the start of the Depression.
Also Antony Green’s analysis indicates the Coalition has the mountain to climb to form majority government.

https://www.abc.net.au/dat/news/elections/federal/2025/guide/FED2025_PostRedistPendulum.pdf

There is a new seat in WA called Bullwinkel, which will probably be very close. Two seats have been abolished: Higgins in Victoria held by Labor’s Michelle Ananda-Rajah and the Div North Sydney held by Teal Kylea Tink.

The composition of parliament has changed a little since the 2022 election. Andrew Gee, member for Calare, resigned from the Nationals because of their opposition to The Voice. I would expect that this seat will flip back to Nats in 2025. Russell Broadbent of Monash also left the Libs after losing a pre-selection battle: against, I expect the Libs to win this back next year.
One change that might stick is that the ALP picked up Aston in a by-election: it’s very rare for incumbent govts to pick up seats in by-elections because quite often voters use them as a protest vote.

Not counting Monash and Calare, then, the Lishun needs to pick up net 19 seats to win a majority. This would require something like a 4% swing. They haven’t made a lot of friends in parliament: they can probably count on the Katter Party, and the Centre Alliance would be up for negotiation

BtW Bullwinkel is named after nursing sister Lt Vivian Bullwinkel, the only Australian survivor of the Bangka Island massacre.
She was later Director of Nursing Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital, and was involved in Operation Babylift in 1975.

Good to hear it wasn’t named after an American cartoon.

Different spelling.

buffy said:

dv said:

dv said:

Sportsbet is paying 2.10 for the ALP win next year.

I think that’s pretty good money. It’s been 95 years since a party was not given a second term in government, and that was because of the start of the Depression.
Also Antony Green’s analysis indicates the Coalition has the mountain to climb to form majority government.

https://www.abc.net.au/dat/news/elections/federal/2025/guide/FED2025_PostRedistPendulum.pdf

There is a new seat in WA called Bullwinkel, which will probably be very close. Two seats have been abolished: Higgins in Victoria held by Labor’s Michelle Ananda-Rajah and the Div North Sydney held by Teal Kylea Tink.

The composition of parliament has changed a little since the 2022 election. Andrew Gee, member for Calare, resigned from the Nationals because of their opposition to The Voice. I would expect that this seat will flip back to Nats in 2025. Russell Broadbent of Monash also left the Libs after losing a pre-selection battle: against, I expect the Libs to win this back next year.
One change that might stick is that the ALP picked up Aston in a by-election: it’s very rare for incumbent govts to pick up seats in by-elections because quite often voters use them as a protest vote.

Not counting Monash and Calare, then, the Lishun needs to pick up net 19 seats to win a majority. This would require something like a 4% swing. They haven’t made a lot of friends in parliament: they can probably count on the Katter Party, and the Centre Alliance would be up for negotiation

BtW Bullwinkel is named after nursing sister Lt Vivian Bullwinkel, the only Australian survivor of the Bangka Island massacre.
She was later Director of Nursing Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital, and was involved in Operation Babylift in 1975.

mr buffy’s mother knew her and talked about her. She admired Viv a lot.

Mr buffy’s mother was a nurse educator at Repat Hospital in Heidelberg from 1959 and then at Box Hill Hospital from 1961. She was principal of the School of Nursing at the Austin Hospital in 1969 and returned to Box Hill in 1972 as a Sister Tutor. She resigned due to ill health in 1974. She was made a Life Governor of Box Hill Hospital. In her retirement she published a textbook “Medical nursing” and then edited a further two books, “Surgical Nursing” and “Australian Nursing, an introduction”.

Nice connection

13 December 2024
Stadium funds given GST exemption, Federal Treasurer announces
David Killick

Detailed plans for Hobart’s new AFL stadium.

The federal government will exempt $240m of stadium funding from GST calculations.

Friday’s announcement comes after a long campaign by the state government.

It means the federal funding for the Macquarie Point precinct will not result in reduced revenue for the state.

Under longstanding arrangements, federal grants are taken into account by the Commonwealth Grants Commission when calculating the state’s rightful share of GST in the years following their delivery.

The Australian Treasurer Jim Chalmers. Picture: NewsWire / Glenn Campbell
The Australian Treasurer Jim Chalmers. Picture: NewsWire / Glenn Campbell

Federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers wrote to Treasurer Guy Barnett informing him of the decision.

He said the entire $240m the Commonwealth was providing for the Macquarie Point Urban Renewal Project would be exempted from clawback.

Mr Barnett welcomed the news, saying this was a fair outcome for Tasmanians.

“We have advocated long and hard to the Federal Labor Government to secure this outcome, and we are pleased that they have finally done what’s right,” he said.

“Despite holding a position for months that Tasmania would not be granted the exemption like other states, our government has never stopped fighting for our fair share.”

The federal Labor party hailed the decision.

“This exemption will safeguard critical funding for our state’s hospitals and schools,” the party said in a statement.

‘This is a decision we advocated for because we will always put Tasmanians first.

“Our government is delivering tax cuts for every Tasmanian taxpayer and energy bill relief for households and small businesses.”

Independent Senator for Tasmania Tammy Tyrrell said she had pushed hard for the exemption to be granted.

“Tassie’s state budget will be $220m better off because of this,” she said.

“That’s how much of a hit Dean Winter said Tasmania’s schools, hospitals, roads and energy bills would be taking if I hadn’t managed to carve-out the stadium money from our GST distribution.”

“Politicians of every colour have banged on about how terrible this funding deal was for Tassie.

“State Labor whined, State Liberals pouted, federal MPs and senators tut-tutted how dreadful it all was but it took an independent Senator to get it done. That’s the value of someone who doesn’t have to worry about pleasing a party room and is here only for Tasmania.”

Senator Tammy Tyrell. Picture: Simon Sturzaker
Senator Tammy Tyrell. Picture: Simon Sturzaker

Senator Jonno Duniam said he had pushed for the exemption too, when others had given up.

“The Liberals led the charge to secure this exemption,” he said.

“We had every Federal politician bar Labor representatives sign a letter to the Federal Treasurer seeking this outcome over a year ago, but we didn’t hear from them. If the Government really cared about our state, they would have done this themselves and not left Tasmania in the lurch.”

“Labor had to be brought kicking and screaming to this outcome. It was the wrong funding arrangement for Tasmanian and, while belated, we welcome this announcement.”

Former Treasurer Michael Ferguson repeatedly accused his federal counterpart of giving Tasmania a raw deal — given that Queensland was granted an exemption for Olympic Games sporting infrastructure.

At one point he accused federal treasurer Jim Chalmers of having “abandoned Tasmania” with a “cowardly decision”.

Prime Minister Albanese has previously strongly indicated that Tasmania would not be given special treatment.

“This is a really weird question that I only get in Tasmania. It will be treated the same as every other infrastructure project everywhere in the country,” he said in January this year.

A federal election is expected in early 2025.

david.killick@news.com.au

sarahs mum said:

13 December 2024
Stadium funds given GST exemption, Federal Treasurer announces
David Killick

Detailed plans for Hobart’s new AFL stadium.

The federal government will exempt $240m of stadium funding from GST calculations.

Friday’s announcement comes after a long campaign by the state government.

It means the federal funding for the Macquarie Point precinct will not result in reduced revenue for the state.

Under longstanding arrangements, federal grants are taken into account by the Commonwealth Grants Commission when calculating the state’s rightful share of GST in the years following their delivery.

The Australian Treasurer Jim Chalmers. Picture: NewsWire / Glenn Campbell
The Australian Treasurer Jim Chalmers. Picture: NewsWire / Glenn Campbell

Federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers wrote to Treasurer Guy Barnett informing him of the decision.

He said the entire $240m the Commonwealth was providing for the Macquarie Point Urban Renewal Project would be exempted from clawback.

Mr Barnett welcomed the news, saying this was a fair outcome for Tasmanians.

“We have advocated long and hard to the Federal Labor Government to secure this outcome, and we are pleased that they have finally done what’s right,” he said.

“Despite holding a position for months that Tasmania would not be granted the exemption like other states, our government has never stopped fighting for our fair share.”

The federal Labor party hailed the decision.

“This exemption will safeguard critical funding for our state’s hospitals and schools,” the party said in a statement.

‘This is a decision we advocated for because we will always put Tasmanians first.

“Our government is delivering tax cuts for every Tasmanian taxpayer and energy bill relief for households and small businesses.”

Independent Senator for Tasmania Tammy Tyrrell said she had pushed hard for the exemption to be granted.

“Tassie’s state budget will be $220m better off because of this,” she said.

“That’s how much of a hit Dean Winter said Tasmania’s schools, hospitals, roads and energy bills would be taking if I hadn’t managed to carve-out the stadium money from our GST distribution.”

“Politicians of every colour have banged on about how terrible this funding deal was for Tassie.

“State Labor whined, State Liberals pouted, federal MPs and senators tut-tutted how dreadful it all was but it took an independent Senator to get it done. That’s the value of someone who doesn’t have to worry about pleasing a party room and is here only for Tasmania.”

Senator Tammy Tyrell. Picture: Simon Sturzaker
Senator Tammy Tyrell. Picture: Simon Sturzaker

Senator Jonno Duniam said he had pushed for the exemption too, when others had given up.

“The Liberals led the charge to secure this exemption,” he said.

“We had every Federal politician bar Labor representatives sign a letter to the Federal Treasurer seeking this outcome over a year ago, but we didn’t hear from them. If the Government really cared about our state, they would have done this themselves and not left Tasmania in the lurch.”

“Labor had to be brought kicking and screaming to this outcome. It was the wrong funding arrangement for Tasmanian and, while belated, we welcome this announcement.”

Former Treasurer Michael Ferguson repeatedly accused his federal counterpart of giving Tasmania a raw deal — given that Queensland was granted an exemption for Olympic Games sporting infrastructure.

At one point he accused federal treasurer Jim Chalmers of having “abandoned Tasmania” with a “cowardly decision”.

Prime Minister Albanese has previously strongly indicated that Tasmania would not be given special treatment.

“This is a really weird question that I only get in Tasmania. It will be treated the same as every other infrastructure project everywhere in the country,” he said in January this year.

A federal election is expected in early 2025.

david.killick@news.com.au

Special madness for Tassie, ta.

In the meantime, the homeless and the hospital queues can continue to wait for the grown-ups to take charge, one day.

team sports for team sports

so everyone agrees then

“I don’t understand it,” she said. “But, you know, I don’t really see a role for it in, certainly in the Australian economy or payments system.” Devotees dismiss these criticisms, arguing Bitcoin doubters simply don’t understand.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-15/the-rise-and-fall-and-rise-again-of-bitcoin/104717902

SCIENCE said:

so everyone agrees then

“I don’t understand it,” she said. “But, you know, I don’t really see a role for it in, certainly in the Australian economy or payments system.” Devotees dismiss these criticisms, arguing Bitcoin doubters simply don’t understand.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-15/the-rise-and-fall-and-rise-again-of-bitcoin/104717902

I looked up the total current value of Bitcoins now, and it’s about 5 Elon Musks, so not all that much in the scheme of things.

Still, when it eventually collapses, the effect on the world economy will be “interesting”.

SCIENCE said:

so everyone agrees then

“I don’t understand it,” she said. “But, you know, I don’t really see a role for it in, certainly in the Australian economy or payments system.” Devotees dismiss these criticisms, arguing Bitcoin doubters simply don’t understand.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-15/the-rise-and-fall-and-rise-again-of-bitcoin/104717902

“Everyone” knows that pyramid schemes are a fraud, and a bad thing, and how to recognise them.

Everyone except those who haven’t heard of them before.

It’s ‘the Dumbo effect’. Many years ago, Disney enterprises realised that they could continue to ‘re-release’ their ‘classic’ films like Cinderella, and Dumbo, and Lady and the Tramp, on a cycle of every so many years, as every so many years there’s a new generation of people who haven’t seen them before.

The same goes with pyramid schemes. Every so often, there’s a generation of suckers who haven’t encountered the concept before, and who are ripe for the plucking via one of the tried and true scams.

The cycle may be of somewhat (considerably?) shorter span than the Disney schedule, but the principle is the same.

Australia’s Response To Delay United Deny Health Defend Care Depose ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-16/doctors-who-speak-out-face-online-abuse/104728318

Desegregated Schooling Is Woke ¡

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/absolute-insanity-parents-students-vow-to-fight-changes-at-top-sydney-school-20241212-p5ky2p.html

SCIENCE said:

Desegregated Schooling Is Woke ¡

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/absolute-insanity-parents-students-vow-to-fight-changes-at-top-sydney-school-20241212-p5ky2p.html

It’s behind a far left pay wall.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Desegregated Schooling Is Woke ¡

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/absolute-insanity-parents-students-vow-to-fight-changes-at-top-sydney-school-20241212-p5ky2p.html

It’s behind a far left pay wall.

A Sydney state school currently only takes grade 11 and 12. Government decides to expand it to be a full high school. Some parents don’t like the change and sign a petition.

sarahs mum put this in the meme thread. I think it is more appropriate here. It indicates that Dutton’s nuclear power costings are extremely likely to be complete and utter bovine faeces.

Interestingly, the UK has experience building nuclear power plants, Australia doesn’t. That fact might make things even worse.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum put this in the meme thread. I think it is more appropriate here. It indicates that Dutton’s nuclear power costings are extremely likely to be complete and utter bovine faeces.

Interestingly, the UK has experience building nuclear power plants, Australia doesn’t. That fact might make things even worse.

Yes. you should add the extra posts that were made at the time too.

The remaining five members of the Bali 9 have been returned to Australia under a deal in which they will receive rehabilitation. They had been serving life sentences.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum put this in the meme thread. I think it is more appropriate here. It indicates that Dutton’s nuclear power costings are extremely likely to be complete and utter bovine faeces.

Interestingly, the UK has experience building nuclear power plants, Australia doesn’t. That fact might make things even worse.

Yes. you should add the extra posts that were made at the time too.

You can do it, if you want. I have no objection.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum put this in the meme thread. I think it is more appropriate here. It indicates that Dutton’s nuclear power costings are extremely likely to be complete and utter bovine faeces.

Interestingly, the UK has experience building nuclear power plants, Australia doesn’t. That fact might make things even worse.

Yes. you should add the extra posts that were made at the time too.

You can do it, if you want. I have no objection.

Ah it is a long scroll back and people should be able to work out what was said by doing the maths themselves.

I’ve got soome clothes to bring in off the liine before they start combusting in the sun and then to put an old alarm clock back together for my old friend who has recently been diagnosed with rapidly advanciing Parkinsons.

Well I’ll just post the most important rejoinder which is mine

Note that this is just one power plant, and the cost is higher than the Australian Energy Market Operator’s estimate for the entire cost of transitioning Australia to 100% renewables.

dv said:

Well I’ll just post the most important rejoinder which is mine

Note that this is just one power plant, and the cost is higher than the Australian Energy Market Operator’s estimate for the entire cost of transitioning Australia to 100% renewables.

That’ll do.

dv said:

Well I’ll just post the most important rejoinder which is mine

Note that this is just one power plant, and the cost is higher than the Australian Energy Market Operator’s estimate for the entire cost of transitioning Australia to 100% renewables.

Any information about what they have done with all that money?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Well I’ll just post the most important rejoinder which is mine

Note that this is just one power plant, and the cost is higher than the Australian Energy Market Operator’s estimate for the entire cost of transitioning Australia to 100% renewables.

Any information about what they have done with all that money?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Well I’ll just post the most important rejoinder which is mine

Note that this is just one power plant, and the cost is higher than the Australian Energy Market Operator’s estimate for the entire cost of transitioning Australia to 100% renewables.

Any information about what they have done with all that money?

For comparison, the estimated final cost of the Snowy pumped-hydro is currently $12 billion.

Australia should be up and running with nuclear power plants just in time for our nuclear subs.
Perfect.

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia should be up and running with nuclear power plants just in time for our nuclear subs.
Perfect.

You think we should install breeder reactors that have little submarine size offspring?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia should be up and running with nuclear power plants just in time for our nuclear subs.
Perfect.

You think we should install breeder reactors that have little submarine size offspring?

Dutton would lap those up. Real election winners there.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia should be up and running with nuclear power plants just in time for our nuclear subs.
Perfect.

You think we should install breeder reactors that have little submarine size offspring?

Dutton would lap those up. Real election winners there.

so basically never

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia should be up and running with nuclear power plants just in time for our nuclear subs.
Perfect.

You think we should install breeder reactors that have little submarine size offspring?

If we are going to get nuke subs and we have no crews, can we drydock them and connect the propeller shaft to a big generator to power cities?

It makes more sense than any of the shit that spud has dribbled so far.

We could even sell the front half back to the US and claim that the front fell off and get a warranty refund.

Maybe by 2050 there’ll be no more military strife and we can just use those subs for civilian power supply

dv said:

Maybe by 2050 there’ll be no more military strife and we can just use those subs for civilian power supply

My basic understanding of human nature says no

dv said:

Maybe by 2050 there’ll be no more military strife and we can just use those subs for civilian power supply

There’s some optimism speaking.

dv said:

Maybe by 2050 there’ll be no more military strife and we can just use those subs for civilian power supply

You could probably run Sydney with a Bunnings power lead plugged into a nuclear sub at the wharf.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Maybe by 2050 there’ll be no more military strife and we can just use those subs for civilian power supply

You could probably run Sydney with a Bunnings power lead plugged into a nuclear sub at the wharf.

The subs will have a habitable space of about 8000 cubic metres. Maybe the subs could be converted into affordable housing.

Kingy said:

LOLOLOLOL

Oh so true.

Michael V said:

Kingy said:

LOLOLOLOL

Oh so true.

Can’t let truth get in the way of facts.

He’s scared of the word, Yes.
Not afraid to utter nuclear.

Has anyone noticed the number of people from politicians to newsreaders who have pronounced it nucular?

ruby said:

Good one.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Kingy said:

LOLOLOLOL

Oh so true.

Can’t let truth get in the way of facts.

He’s scared of the word, Yes.
Not afraid to utter nuclear.

Has anyone noticed the number of people from politicians to newsreaders who have pronounced it nucular?

Geroge W. Bush started that.

ruby said:

An excellent one.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

LOLOLOLOL

Oh so true.

Can’t let truth get in the way of facts.

He’s scared of the word, Yes.
Not afraid to utter nuclear.

Has anyone noticed the number of people from politicians to newsreaders who have pronounced it nucular?

Geroge W. Bush started that.

Yes he did. It now seems to have spread.

ruby said:

Here’s the rub: Dutton knows nuclear won’t ever get up – NIMBY’s will fight it all the way. It’s just a way of continuing with coal, and raking in the electioneering money, as well as getting a well-paid post-Canberra role.

ruby said:

That’s it.

:)

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Here’s the rub: Dutton knows nuclear won’t ever get up – NIMBY’s will fight it all the way. It’s just a way of continuing with coal, and raking in the electioneering money, as well as getting a well-paid post-Canberra role.

That’s the nub of it.

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Here’s the rub: Dutton knows nuclear won’t ever get up – NIMBY’s will fight it all the way. It’s just a way of continuing with coal, and raking in the electioneering money, as well as getting a well-paid post-Canberra role.

Yep, it’s a bloody annoying tactic indeed. One that has worked so well for the oil industry for many years too.
Such a shame people fall for it.

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Here’s the rub: Dutton knows nuclear won’t ever get up – NIMBY’s will fight it all the way. It’s just a way of continuing with coal, and raking in the electioneering money, as well as getting a well-paid post-Canberra role.

It’s also a great way of ignoring the gas gouge occurring on the East Coast by large corps…keep the plebs occupied with a retarded nuclear/coal/renewables debate. Instead of fixing the issue, throw some energy rebates in instead.

ruby said:

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Here’s the rub: Dutton knows nuclear won’t ever get up – NIMBY’s will fight it all the way. It’s just a way of continuing with coal, and raking in the electioneering money, as well as getting a well-paid post-Canberra role.

Yep, it’s a bloody annoying tactic indeed. One that has worked so well for the oil industry for many years too.
Such a shame people fall for it.

Its other name is corruption.

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Here’s the rub: Dutton knows nuclear won’t ever get up – NIMBY’s will fight it all the way. It’s just a way of continuing with coal, and raking in the electioneering money, as well as getting a well-paid post-Canberra role.

It’s also a great way of ignoring the gas gouge occurring on the East Coast by large corps…keep the plebs occupied with a retarded nuclear/coal/renewables debate. Instead of fixing the issue, throw some energy rebates in instead.

Sadly true.

ruby said:

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Here’s the rub: Dutton knows nuclear won’t ever get up – NIMBY’s will fight it all the way. It’s just a way of continuing with coal, and raking in the electioneering money, as well as getting a well-paid post-Canberra role.

Yep, it’s a bloody annoying tactic indeed. One that has worked so well for the oil industry for many years too.
Such a shame people fall for it.

Sadly true.

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Here’s the rub: Dutton knows nuclear won’t ever get up – NIMBY’s will fight it all the way. It’s just a way of continuing with coal, and raking in the electioneering money, as well as getting a well-paid post-Canberra role.

It’s also a great way of ignoring the gas gouge occurring on the East Coast by large corps…keep the plebs occupied with a retarded nuclear/coal/renewables debate. Instead of fixing the issue, throw some energy rebates in instead.

It is the Australian Reinhardt way.

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Here’s the rub: Dutton knows nuclear won’t ever get up – NIMBY’s will fight it all the way. It’s just a way of continuing with coal, and raking in the electioneering money, as well as getting a well-paid post-Canberra role.

I’m not convinced this is about coal, the LibNats are just looking for a fight on energy production and will have it in whatever way is easiest… if the Labs said coal was good, the LibNats would be shouting wind and solar from the roof tops.

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

Here’s the rub: Dutton knows nuclear won’t ever get up – NIMBY’s will fight it all the way. It’s just a way of continuing with coal, and raking in the electioneering money, as well as getting a well-paid post-Canberra role.

It’s also a great way of ignoring the gas gouge occurring on the East Coast by large corps…keep the plebs occupied with a retarded nuclear/coal/renewables debate. Instead of fixing the issue, throw some energy rebates in instead.

It is the Australian Reinhardt way.

rebate, debate, master

wait

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

It’s also a great way of ignoring the gas gouge occurring on the East Coast by large corps…keep the plebs occupied with a retarded nuclear/coal/renewables debate. Instead of fixing the issue, throw some energy rebates in instead.

It is the Australian Reinhardt way.

rebate, debate, master

wait

Peter Dutton to revive Scott Morrison’s ‘gas-fired recovery’ in election pledge to cut energy bills

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

It is the Australian Reinhardt way.

rebate, debate, master

wait

Peter Dutton to revive Scott Morrison’s ‘gas-fired recovery’ in election pledge to cut energy bills

I wonder what else of Morrison’s that he’ll ‘revive’.

Secretly being the real minister for all sorts of things?

Trying to win people over with a ‘daggy dad’ performance?

Happily allowing his ministers and MPs to distribute public funds to their friends and sporting acquaintances?

Not holding hoses in times of widespread crisis?

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

rebate, debate, master

wait

Peter Dutton to revive Scott Morrison’s ‘gas-fired recovery’ in election pledge to cut energy bills

I wonder what else of Morrison’s that he’ll ‘revive’.

Secretly being the real minister for all sorts of things?

Trying to win people over with a ‘daggy dad’ performance?

Happily allowing his ministers and MPs to distribute public funds to their friends and sporting acquaintances?

Not holding hoses in times of widespread crisis?

All of the above.

16 December 2024
Tasmanian Chamber of Commerce and Industry: State’s worsening budget position ‘disaster in making’
Rob Inglis

CEO of the TCCI, Michael Bailey.
Tasmania’s business lobby has described the state’s worsening budget position as “the next government disaster in the making”, urging the Liberals to cut back on bureaucrats as a “first step” towards fixing the problem.

A budget update for the September quarter, released quietly on Friday afternoon, showed that the government recorded a $620m deficit over the three-month period, which was more than double what was reported in the same quarter last year.
Major expenses were up $246.5m above the original budget estimates, with employee expenses $30.7m over budget in the Department of Health due to the recruitment of additional medical locums and agency nurses.

CEO of TCCI, Michael Bailey. Picture: Linda Higginson
CEO of TCCI, Michael Bailey. Picture: Linda Higginson
Tasmanian Chamber of Commerce and Industry CEO Michael Bailey said the budget “problem” could not be ignored and would “only get worse” if it was not addressed as a matter of urgency.

“This is the next government disaster in the making,” he said.

“The first step towards fixing a problem is admitting it. Unfortunately, the government is in denial about the mess that its finances are in. The government should make reining in spending its New Year’s resolution.”

Mr Bailey said the chief issue lay in the “massive blowout” in the number of bureaucrats on the state’s payroll, which he said had grown by 30 per cent since the Liberals were first elected in 2014.

“If the government isn’t prepared to face facts and deal with this challenge then it will have a damaging impact on business confidence,” he said.

Premier Jeremy Rockliff. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones
Premier Jeremy Rockliff. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones

Premier Jeremy Rockliff defended his government’s health spend on Sunday, saying he made “no apologies for investing in our community”.

“When it comes to health demand, of course, we don’t turn people away when they arrive at an emergency department, so that increase in spending when it comes to our health expenditure is really demand-driven,” he said.

Labor Treasury spokesman Josh Willie said the state was in record debt and deficit and Mr Rockliff needed to “get his head out of the sand” and “outline how he’ll get Tasmania out of this mess of his own making”

“Locum doctors and agency nurses cost 2-3 times more than permanent staff and require expensive advertising campaigns to recruit,” he said.

Josh Willie, Labor member for Elwick. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones
Josh Willie, Labor member for Elwick. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones

“Instead, the Liberals should direct their focus toward improving working conditions for permanent staff, work to reduce high staff turnover, and abolish vacancy control measures from the Tasmanian Health Service.”

Health Minister Jacquie Petrusma said Treasurer Guy Barnett had “made it very clear that he’s on a pathway to surplus”.
“He’ll be pulling out all the stops to make sure that we do that,” she said.

robert.inglis@news.com.au

Mid-year minibudget reveals that the short term financial situation is better, but medium term worse, than anticipated in the May budget.. The balance for 2024-2025 will be 14 billion better than predicted: the following three years, 22 billion worse than predicted.
Wages are predicted to grow 3% in this fin year, with inflation at 2.75%.

Tasmania has had some history when it comes to protest, particularly involving forests and natural environments.

The reversal of the Franklin River dam proposal was a watershed moment in Tasmanian and Australian and green politics, somewhat offsetting the tragic drowning of Lake Pedder’s pink sandy shores.

A forest worker has told a court in Hobart he did not know there were protesters inside a car he smashed with a sledgehammer in the Florentine Valley.

ABC News Thu 6th May 2010

Not long after the collapse of the Bell Bay Pulp Mill proposal, Gunns itself collapsed. So to0 did Mr John Gay, former director and chairman of Gunns Limited. Mr John Gay

has been ordered to pay a $500,000 pecuniary penalty under the Proceeds of Crime Act (POCA) relating to his conviction for insider trading.

Mr Gay was convicted of insider trading on 23 August 2013 on criminal charges brought by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) and prosecuted by the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions (CDPP).

Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions, 16/12/2015 – 12:00pm

Several decades later we might ask ourselves if Tasmania quietly been used as the testing ground for the recent tough sentencing of protesters perceived to harm corporate interests?

A new study was released in recent days that should have been newsworthy, but it escaped the media’s attention in Australia.

It showed Australian police are world leaders at arresting climate and environmental protesters.

According to the study, more than 20 per cent of all climate and environment protests in Australia involve arrests, which is more than three times the global average (6.3 per cent).

Australia’s arrest rate was the highest of 14 countries in the global study.

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Salmon and elections
Recent news

Dutton pledges support for Tasmanian salmon industry even if Maugean skate survival threat worsens

Only 40 to 120 adult Maugean skates are estimated to exist in the wild, according to a consultation paper released by the federal environment department in August.

Federal government invests $28 million in fight to save Macquarie Harbour’s endangered Maugean skate

Scientists celebrate first Maugean skate hatchling born from a captive-laid egg

https://hellfirebluff.wordpress.com/

sarahs mum said:

Tasmania has had some history when it comes to protest, particularly involving forests and natural environments.

The reversal of the Franklin River dam proposal was a watershed moment in Tasmanian and Australian and green politics, somewhat offsetting the tragic drowning of Lake Pedder’s pink sandy shores.

A forest worker has told a court in Hobart he did not know there were protesters inside a car he smashed with a sledgehammer in the Florentine Valley.

ABC News Thu 6th May 2010

Not long after the collapse of the Bell Bay Pulp Mill proposal, Gunns itself collapsed. So to0 did Mr John Gay, former director and chairman of Gunns Limited. Mr John Gay

has been ordered to pay a $500,000 pecuniary penalty under the Proceeds of Crime Act (POCA) relating to his conviction for insider trading.

Mr Gay was convicted of insider trading on 23 August 2013 on criminal charges brought by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) and prosecuted by the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions (CDPP).

Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions, 16/12/2015 – 12:00pm

Several decades later we might ask ourselves if Tasmania quietly been used as the testing ground for the recent tough sentencing of protesters perceived to harm corporate interests?

A new study was released in recent days that should have been newsworthy, but it escaped the media’s attention in Australia.

It showed Australian police are world leaders at arresting climate and environmental protesters.

According to the study, more than 20 per cent of all climate and environment protests in Australia involve arrests, which is more than three times the global average (6.3 per cent).

Australia’s arrest rate was the highest of 14 countries in the global study.

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Salmon and elections
Recent news

Dutton pledges support for Tasmanian salmon industry even if Maugean skate survival threat worsens

Only 40 to 120 adult Maugean skates are estimated to exist in the wild, according to a consultation paper released by the federal environment department in August.

Federal government invests $28 million in fight to save Macquarie Harbour’s endangered Maugean skate

Scientists celebrate first Maugean skate hatchling born from a captive-laid egg

https://hellfirebluff.wordpress.com/

I’ve been totally boycotting Tasmanian salmon for some time and will continue to do so.

sarahs mum said:

Tasmania has had some history when it comes to protest, particularly involving forests and natural environments.

The reversal of the Franklin River dam proposal was a watershed moment in Tasmanian and Australian and green politics, somewhat offsetting the tragic drowning of Lake Pedder’s pink sandy shores.

A forest worker has told a court in Hobart he did not know there were protesters inside a car he smashed with a sledgehammer in the Florentine Valley.

ABC News Thu 6th May 2010

Not long after the collapse of the Bell Bay Pulp Mill proposal, Gunns itself collapsed. So to0 did Mr John Gay, former director and chairman of Gunns Limited. Mr John Gay

has been ordered to pay a $500,000 pecuniary penalty under the Proceeds of Crime Act (POCA) relating to his conviction for insider trading.

Mr Gay was convicted of insider trading on 23 August 2013 on criminal charges brought by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) and prosecuted by the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions (CDPP).

Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions, 16/12/2015 – 12:00pm

Several decades later we might ask ourselves if Tasmania quietly been used as the testing ground for the recent tough sentencing of protesters perceived to harm corporate interests?

A new study was released in recent days that should have been newsworthy, but it escaped the media’s attention in Australia.

It showed Australian police are world leaders at arresting climate and environmental protesters.

According to the study, more than 20 per cent of all climate and environment protests in Australia involve arrests, which is more than three times the global average (6.3 per cent).

Australia’s arrest rate was the highest of 14 countries in the global study.

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Salmon and elections
Recent news

Dutton pledges support for Tasmanian salmon industry even if Maugean skate survival threat worsens

Only 40 to 120 adult Maugean skates are estimated to exist in the wild, according to a consultation paper released by the federal environment department in August.

Federal government invests $28 million in fight to save Macquarie Harbour’s endangered Maugean skate

Scientists celebrate first Maugean skate hatchling born from a captive-laid egg

https://hellfirebluff.wordpress.com/

I am seriously concerned about the Maugean Skate. It should be that salmon farmers oxygenate the waters and keep nitrogen levels the same as pre-industry around their operations, as conditions of their licences.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Tasmania has had some history when it comes to protest, particularly involving forests and natural environments.

The reversal of the Franklin River dam proposal was a watershed moment in Tasmanian and Australian and green politics, somewhat offsetting the tragic drowning of Lake Pedder’s pink sandy shores.

A forest worker has told a court in Hobart he did not know there were protesters inside a car he smashed with a sledgehammer in the Florentine Valley.

ABC News Thu 6th May 2010

Not long after the collapse of the Bell Bay Pulp Mill proposal, Gunns itself collapsed. So to0 did Mr John Gay, former director and chairman of Gunns Limited. Mr John Gay

has been ordered to pay a $500,000 pecuniary penalty under the Proceeds of Crime Act (POCA) relating to his conviction for insider trading.

Mr Gay was convicted of insider trading on 23 August 2013 on criminal charges brought by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) and prosecuted by the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions (CDPP).

Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions, 16/12/2015 – 12:00pm

Several decades later we might ask ourselves if Tasmania quietly been used as the testing ground for the recent tough sentencing of protesters perceived to harm corporate interests?

A new study was released in recent days that should have been newsworthy, but it escaped the media’s attention in Australia.

It showed Australian police are world leaders at arresting climate and environmental protesters.

According to the study, more than 20 per cent of all climate and environment protests in Australia involve arrests, which is more than three times the global average (6.3 per cent).

Australia’s arrest rate was the highest of 14 countries in the global study.

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Salmon and elections
Recent news

Dutton pledges support for Tasmanian salmon industry even if Maugean skate survival threat worsens

Only 40 to 120 adult Maugean skates are estimated to exist in the wild, according to a consultation paper released by the federal environment department in August.

Federal government invests $28 million in fight to save Macquarie Harbour’s endangered Maugean skate

Scientists celebrate first Maugean skate hatchling born from a captive-laid egg

https://hellfirebluff.wordpress.com/

I am seriously concerned about the Maugean Skate. It should be that salmon farmers oxygenate the waters and keep nitrogen levels the same as pre-industry around their operations, as conditions of their licences.

I don’t understand why the salmon industry needs to have every available bit of water. they’ve got the huon and derwent estuaries and a big bit of the east coast and some of mac harbour and they are pushing into the bass strait islands.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Tasmania has had some history when it comes to protest, particularly involving forests and natural environments.

The reversal of the Franklin River dam proposal was a watershed moment in Tasmanian and Australian and green politics, somewhat offsetting the tragic drowning of Lake Pedder’s pink sandy shores.

A forest worker has told a court in Hobart he did not know there were protesters inside a car he smashed with a sledgehammer in the Florentine Valley.

ABC News Thu 6th May 2010

Not long after the collapse of the Bell Bay Pulp Mill proposal, Gunns itself collapsed. So to0 did Mr John Gay, former director and chairman of Gunns Limited. Mr John Gay

has been ordered to pay a $500,000 pecuniary penalty under the Proceeds of Crime Act (POCA) relating to his conviction for insider trading.

Mr Gay was convicted of insider trading on 23 August 2013 on criminal charges brought by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) and prosecuted by the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions (CDPP).

Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions, 16/12/2015 – 12:00pm

Several decades later we might ask ourselves if Tasmania quietly been used as the testing ground for the recent tough sentencing of protesters perceived to harm corporate interests?

A new study was released in recent days that should have been newsworthy, but it escaped the media’s attention in Australia.

It showed Australian police are world leaders at arresting climate and environmental protesters.

According to the study, more than 20 per cent of all climate and environment protests in Australia involve arrests, which is more than three times the global average (6.3 per cent).

Australia’s arrest rate was the highest of 14 countries in the global study.

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Salmon and elections
Recent news

Dutton pledges support for Tasmanian salmon industry even if Maugean skate survival threat worsens

Only 40 to 120 adult Maugean skates are estimated to exist in the wild, according to a consultation paper released by the federal environment department in August.

Federal government invests $28 million in fight to save Macquarie Harbour’s endangered Maugean skate

Scientists celebrate first Maugean skate hatchling born from a captive-laid egg

https://hellfirebluff.wordpress.com/

I am seriously concerned about the Maugean Skate. It should be that salmon farmers oxygenate the waters and keep nitrogen levels the same as pre-industry around their operations, as conditions of their licences.

I don’t understand why the salmon industry needs to have every available bit of water. they’ve got the huon and derwent estuaries and a big bit of the east coast and some of mac harbour and they are pushing into the bass strait islands.

They shouldn’t be allowed to harm the environment like they do. Regulations, conditions on leases etc.

Heck, when I was doing minerals exploration, I had to minimise harm, and rehabilitate. It’s mostly not difficult.

17 December 2024
Launceston bus driver attacked by teenagers ‘lucky’ to be alive
Genevieve Holding

Union warns bus drivers need safety measures upped after attack in Launceston.

The state’s bus union is calling for safety measures to be implemented immediately on Tasmanian buses after a ‘near-tragedy’ assault on a Metro driver last week.

The Metro bus driver was driving a route from Mowbray to Launceston on Friday evening when police say he asked two young passengers to exit the bus as “they were drinking alcohol”.

Stopped at Mowbray Hill, police then alleged the pair – a 16- and 17-year-old – assaulted the driver by punching and kicking “and hitting him with a broken bottle”.

One of these hits resulted in a serious injury to the driver’s eye, which Rail, Tram and Bus Union (RTBU) Tasmania Branch secretary Byron Cubit said “could have been deadly”.

“The driver is doing well now all things considered, but it was a near-miss, a near-tragedy for this driver,” he said.
“He could have lost an eye or his life and it’s only sheer luck that he is still here today.

“Apart from the physical injuries, he is sure to be in some distress and quite traumatised from this.”

Injuries to the Metro bus driver. Picture: supplied.
Injuries to the Metro bus driver. Picture: supplied.

The driver then drove himself to the Launceston General Hospital after the incident, with police later apprehending and charging the two youths on Sunday in relation to the incident.

Mr Cubit said this is the latest in a long line of violent and anti-social behaviour on buses which has sharply risen post-Covid.

“Bus drivers have been on guard for some time,” he said.

“It’s not about if something will happen anymore, but when.

“We need these safety measures that have been promised to be put in place.”

Mr Cubit said that protective screens and guards that were promised for drivers still weren’t in place.

State government funding was promised in September last year for transit safety officers on buses, but Mr Cubit said their implementation had been held up due to the creation of a training program.

“There’s no excuse for the delay in transit officers,” he said.

Rail, Tram and Bus Union Tasmanian branch secretary Byron Cubit. Picture: Supplied
Rail, Tram and Bus Union Tasmanian branch secretary Byron Cubit. Picture: Supplied

“We don’t need a death to occur to know that safety measures are needed – this is something we know happens and is continuing.”

A Metro spokesperson said police are investigating the incident and Metro is following its post-incident response process.
“Regarding security screens, Metro has consulted widely with its staff to ensure that the screens are as safe as practicable,” the spokesperson said.

“While we understand the frustrations with the delay in implementation, it has been critical that Metro’s ensures no unintended safety risks are created by the screens.

“Metro is confident this it is now in the final stages of modifications and as a result, Metro has commenced the procurement process with expressions of interest closing today.”

Transport Minister Eric Abetz said it was still in the process of rolling out transit officers, but could not give a date on when this would be completed.

“The attack on Friday was completely and utterly unacceptable and needs to be condemned by absolutely everybody in the community,” he said.

“Transit officers are an extra expense to the community which are unfortunately necessary now because of this sort of anti-social behaviour.
“We are getting more transit officers and training to ensure the public is protected as much as we can, but like we can’t have a police officer on every street corner nor can we have a transit officer on every bus.

“The extra screens and transit officers are just an extra expense to the Tasmanian taxpayer courtesy of this anti-social behaviour, so it’s not just to be condemned for the ugliness to the driver involved and the danger occasioned to other passengers but it’s a cost to every Tasmanian taxpayer.”

genevieve.holding@news.com.au

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Tasmania has had some history when it comes to protest, particularly involving forests and natural environments.

The reversal of the Franklin River dam proposal was a watershed moment in Tasmanian and Australian and green politics, somewhat offsetting the tragic drowning of Lake Pedder’s pink sandy shores.

A forest worker has told a court in Hobart he did not know there were protesters inside a car he smashed with a sledgehammer in the Florentine Valley.

ABC News Thu 6th May 2010

Not long after the collapse of the Bell Bay Pulp Mill proposal, Gunns itself collapsed. So to0 did Mr John Gay, former director and chairman of Gunns Limited. Mr John Gay

has been ordered to pay a $500,000 pecuniary penalty under the Proceeds of Crime Act (POCA) relating to his conviction for insider trading.

Mr Gay was convicted of insider trading on 23 August 2013 on criminal charges brought by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) and prosecuted by the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions (CDPP).

Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions, 16/12/2015 – 12:00pm

Several decades later we might ask ourselves if Tasmania quietly been used as the testing ground for the recent tough sentencing of protesters perceived to harm corporate interests?

A new study was released in recent days that should have been newsworthy, but it escaped the media’s attention in Australia.

It showed Australian police are world leaders at arresting climate and environmental protesters.

According to the study, more than 20 per cent of all climate and environment protests in Australia involve arrests, which is more than three times the global average (6.3 per cent).

Australia’s arrest rate was the highest of 14 countries in the global study.

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Salmon and elections
Recent news

Dutton pledges support for Tasmanian salmon industry even if Maugean skate survival threat worsens

Only 40 to 120 adult Maugean skates are estimated to exist in the wild, according to a consultation paper released by the federal environment department in August.

Federal government invests $28 million in fight to save Macquarie Harbour’s endangered Maugean skate

Scientists celebrate first Maugean skate hatchling born from a captive-laid egg

https://hellfirebluff.wordpress.com/

I am seriously concerned about the Maugean Skate. It should be that salmon farmers oxygenate the waters and keep nitrogen levels the same as pre-industry around their operations, as conditions of their licences.

I don’t understand why the salmon industry needs to have every available bit of water. they’ve got the huon and derwent estuaries and a big bit of the east coast and some of mac harbour and they are pushing into the bass strait islands.

The Tasmanian government will encourage, but not compel, companies to switch to farming further offshore and says it will protect more than 2,000 jobs.

Those jobs are now under the control of foreign-owned companies, after takeovers of all three companies which were founded in Tasmania.

Tassal was bought by Canadian seafood giant Cooke in 2022. Huon Aquaculture was acquired by Brazil’s JBS Foods in 2021 and Petuna was taken over by New Zealand’s Sealord in 2020.

All of Tasmania’s salmon farming companies operate in Macquarie Harbour.

sarahs mum said:

When House Republicans released a list of their committee leaders for the next Congress last Thursday, there were no women on it. For the first time in 20 years, no House committees will be chaired by women.
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Women are losing again.

Meanwhile In Communist New South CHINA

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-18/jaclyn-symes-to-become-first-female-treasurer-victoria/104743956

Saw a Coalition attack ad yesterday but can’t find it on https://www.liberal.org.au/

Amusingly the ALP could run an ad in reply citing the established facts to refute every argument.

Going to be a doozy of an election.

dv said:

The other reason that he’s nominated for the ballot is that his alternative is to get a job.

dv said:

Yes it’s a trifle brazen.

dv said:

Pollies and inconsistencies. That’s consistent.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Yes it’s a trifle brazen.

They can always rely on the incredibly short memory of the electorate.

It’s how we get L/NP governments.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Pollies and inconsistencies. That’s consistent.

I thought indigenous people were above all that.

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Pollies and inconsistencies. That’s consistent.

I thought indigenous people were above all that.

Being an MP means ‘money’.

Avarice does not discriminate between races.

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Pollies and inconsistencies. That’s consistent.

I thought indigenous people were above all that.

Why on earth would you think that?

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Pollies and inconsistencies. That’s consistent.

I thought indigenous people were above all that.

Why on earth would you think that?

I guess it is what I read and see on the internet. It appears lots of people believe that. Me, I reckon people are people for the most part.

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

I thought indigenous people were above all that.

Why on earth would you think that?

I guess it is what I read and see on the internet. It appears lots of people believe that. Me, I reckon people are people for the most part.

I see. Some other people think that, so, as a consequence you say you think that, but really you think something else quite different. OK. That makes it difficult for me to figure out.

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Pollies and inconsistencies. That’s consistent.

I thought indigenous people were above all that.

Why on earth would you think that?

Bc es full o shit.

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Why on earth would you think that?

I guess it is what I read and see on the internet. It appears lots of people believe that. Me, I reckon people are people for the most part.

I see. Some other people think that, so, as a consequence you say you think that, but really you think something else quite different. OK. That makes it difficult for me to figure out.

That’s what I am here for. To make life difficult for others.

Major Danby replied indulgently with a superior smile: “But, Yossarian, suppose everyone felt that way.”

“Then,” said Yossarian, “I’d certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way, wouldn’t I?”

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Why on earth would you think that?

I guess it is what I read and see on the internet. It appears lots of people believe that. Me, I reckon people are people for the most part.

I see. Some other people think that, so, as a consequence you say you think that, but really you think something else quite different. OK. That makes it difficult for me to figure out.

you realise that I was using a type of phrasing to get a certain message across?

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

I guess it is what I read and see on the internet. It appears lots of people believe that. Me, I reckon people are people for the most part.

I see. Some other people think that, so, as a consequence you say you think that, but really you think something else quite different. OK. That makes it difficult for me to figure out.

you realise that I was using a type of phrasing to get a certain message across?

…phrasing? Well lah-di-dah.