Date: 15/12/2024 17:49:34
From: dv
ID: 2225879
Subject: Lake Carpentaria

The best preserved ancient habitation sites in Australia tend to be in arid areas, though there are a couple of sites in North Qld auch as Ngarrabullgan Cave.

OTOH the earliest settlement sites in the Sahul* are not available to us because of sumersion. Since the arrival of humans on this side of the Wallace line, the sea level has risen 60 to 70 metres (depending on exactly when the event occurred).

I’ve often thought about this huge territory that at one time was inhabited by hundreds of thousands of people. I hope that one day we know as much about this lost country as we do about, for instance, Doggerland in the North Sea.

The land bridge between Australia and New Guinea closed around 12000 years ago.

One thing that the Sahul had in this period that Australia lacks now is a large freshwater lake. In the 1980s, dozens of cores were extracted from what is now the Gulf of Carpentaria, supported by a seismic imaging program, enabling a detailed map of the ancient shoreline of Lake Carpentaria. This broad but shallow lake existed from around 35000 to 12000 years ago, and drained towards the west across a sill that is now 53 metres below sea level. At times it was brackish but the fossils recovered indicate that it was fresh for at least 15000 years. I do wonder about whether the people of that time and place, ancestors of modern Aboriginals and Papuans, were able to make good use of the lake: its shore does suggest itself as a good place to set up camp.


Late Quarternary Environments of the Carpentaria Basin, Australia by T Torgersen

dazvoz.com/Late_quarternary_environments_of_the_Carp.pdf

*Sahul=the former land mass formed of Australia, Tasmania, New Guinea, Aru Islands, and the shallow shelf around them.

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Date: 15/12/2024 18:28:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 2225897
Subject: re: Lake Carpentaria

dv said:


The best preserved ancient habitation sites in Australia tend to be in arid areas, though there are a couple of sites in North Qld auch as Ngarrabullgan Cave.

OTOH the earliest settlement sites in the Sahul* are not available to us because of sumersion. Since the arrival of humans on this side of the Wallace line, the sea level has risen 60 to 70 metres (depending on exactly when the event occurred).

I’ve often thought about this huge territory that at one time was inhabited by hundreds of thousands of people. I hope that one day we know as much about this lost country as we do about, for instance, Doggerland in the North Sea.

The land bridge between Australia and New Guinea closed around 12000 years ago.

One thing that the Sahul had in this period that Australia lacks now is a large freshwater lake. In the 1980s, dozens of cores were extracted from what is now the Gulf of Carpentaria, supported by a seismic imaging program, enabling a detailed map of the ancient shoreline of Lake Carpentaria. This broad but shallow lake existed from around 35000 to 12000 years ago, and drained towards the west across a sill that is now 53 metres below sea level. At times it was brackish but the fossils recovered indicate that it was fresh for at least 15000 years. I do wonder about whether the people of that time and place, ancestors of modern Aboriginals and Papuans, were able to make good use of the lake: its shore does suggest itself as a good place to set up camp.


Late Quarternary Environments of the Carpentaria Basin, Australia by T Torgersen

dazvoz.com/Late_quarternary_environments_of_the_Carp.pdf

*Sahul=the former land mass formed of Australia, Tasmania, New Guinea, Aru Islands, and the shallow shelf around them.


dazvoz.com/Late_quarternary_environments_of_the_Carp.pdf (port 443)
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Date: 15/12/2024 18:32:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 2225899
Subject: re: Lake Carpentaria

I wonder what artifacts may be found around the shores of said lake.

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Date: 15/12/2024 19:38:39
From: dv
ID: 2225933
Subject: re: Lake Carpentaria

dazvoz.com/Late_quaternary_environments_of_the_Carp.pdf

corrected the url

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Date: 15/12/2024 19:42:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2225935
Subject: re: Lake Carpentaria

dv said:


dazvoz.com/Late_quaternary_environments_of_the_Carp.pdf

corrected the url

Ta. :)

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Date: 15/12/2024 19:59:37
From: ruby
ID: 2225937
Subject: re: Lake Carpentaria

dv said:


dazvoz.com/Late_quaternary_environments_of_the_Carp.pdf

corrected the url

Good stuff DV. Will send the link to a couple of friends who will also love this.

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Date: 15/12/2024 20:44:43
From: dv
ID: 2225940
Subject: re: Lake Carpentaria

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Cross-section-of-the-northern-Gulf-of-Carpentaria-from-the-Arafura-Sill-in-the-west-to_fig19_236020442

Illustrative cross-section from the Arafura Sill to the much shallower Torres St Sill in the East. Thousands of years after the rising sea levels turned the lake into a gulf, you’d still have been able to walk from NQ to New Guinea.

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Date: 15/12/2024 21:02:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2225943
Subject: re: Lake Carpentaria

Sumer (/ˈsuːmər/) is the earliest known civilization, located in the historical region of southern Mesopotamia (now south-central Iraq), emerging during the Chalcolithic and early Bronze Ages between the sixth and fifth millennium BC.

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Date: 15/12/2024 21:06:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2225946
Subject: re: Lake Carpentaria

SCIENCE said:

Sumer (/ˈsuːmər/) is the earliest known civilization, located in the historical region of southern Mesopotamia (now south-central Iraq), emerging during the Chalcolithic and early Bronze Ages between the sixth and fifth millennium BC.

You reckon?

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Date: 15/12/2024 21:08:03
From: dv
ID: 2225947
Subject: re: Lake Carpentaria

SCIENCE said:

Sumer (/ˈsuːmər/) is the earliest known civilization, located in the historical region of southern Mesopotamia (now south-central Iraq), emerging during the Chalcolithic and early Bronze Ages between the sixth and fifth millennium BC.

They probably didn’t reach Lake Carpentaria

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Date: 15/12/2024 21:35:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2225956
Subject: re: Lake Carpentaria

dv said:

OTOH the earliest settlement sites in the Sahul* are not available to us because of sumersion. Since the arrival of humans

sorry we was just funnin’

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