Date: 1/01/2025 19:17:36
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2231840
Subject: Australian politics - January 2025

We have a federal election – due to be held in the first five months of this year – to look forward to.

Won’t that be fun!

High interest rates and cost of living pressures are expected to be the top concerns for both major parties and voters, the battleground itself will also look different, with changes to the number of seats and electoral boundaries.

In this election, Western Australia has gained a seat – Bullwinkel, named after the young Australian Army nurse Vivian Bullwinkel, who was the sole survivor of a World War Two massacre by the Japanese.

Two seats have been abolished: Higgins, whch is a Labor-held seat in inner-Melbourne, and North Sydney, held by the independent candidate, Kylea Tink.

The changes have brought the size of the House of Representatives down to 150, from the previous 151.

This federal election will also be the first where Baby Boomers will be outnumbered by Gen Z and Millennial voters.

Antony Green on the seats that could decide the 2025 election:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/abc-news-daily/antony-green-on-the-seats-that-could-decide-the-2025-election/104777210
Link

The era of the Baby Boomers as the dominant voting force in Federal politics is ending:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-25/election-2025-gen-z-millennial-outnumber-baby-boomers/104641230
Link

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:21:23
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2231844
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

AussieDJ said:


We have a federal election – due to be held in the first five months of this year – to look forward to.

Won’t that be fun!

High interest rates and cost of living pressures are expected to be the top concerns for both major parties and voters, the battleground itself will also look different, with changes to the number of seats and electoral boundaries.

In this election, Western Australia has gained a seat – Bullwinkel, named after the young Australian Army nurse Vivian Bullwinkel, who was the sole survivor of a World War Two massacre by the Japanese.

Two seats have been abolished: Higgins, whch is a Labor-held seat in inner-Melbourne, and North Sydney, held by the independent candidate, Kylea Tink.

The changes have brought the size of the House of Representatives down to 150, from the previous 151.

This federal election will also be the first where Baby Boomers will be outnumbered by Gen Z and Millennial voters.

Antony Green on the seats that could decide the 2025 election:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/abc-news-daily/antony-green-on-the-seats-that-could-decide-the-2025-election/104777210
Link

The era of the Baby Boomers as the dominant voting force in Federal politics is ending:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-25/election-2025-gen-z-millennial-outnumber-baby-boomers/104641230
Link

Boomers was also the name given by tha US to Soviet nuclear subs, I think.

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:35:28
From: dv
ID: 2231849
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

There’s a WA election in two months. Polling is at 56-44 to ALP so it’s hard to see them losing it but certainly they aren’t going to achieve the heights they reached in 2021 where they ended with 70-30 in the 2pp.

Currently the Libs have 3 seats in the lower house and the Nats also have 3. In WA they do not operate as a Coalition.

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:38:24
From: Michael V
ID: 2231850
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


AussieDJ said:

We have a federal election – due to be held in the first five months of this year – to look forward to.

Won’t that be fun!

High interest rates and cost of living pressures are expected to be the top concerns for both major parties and voters, the battleground itself will also look different, with changes to the number of seats and electoral boundaries.

In this election, Western Australia has gained a seat – Bullwinkel, named after the young Australian Army nurse Vivian Bullwinkel, who was the sole survivor of a World War Two massacre by the Japanese.

Two seats have been abolished: Higgins, whch is a Labor-held seat in inner-Melbourne, and North Sydney, held by the independent candidate, Kylea Tink.

The changes have brought the size of the House of Representatives down to 150, from the previous 151.

This federal election will also be the first where Baby Boomers will be outnumbered by Gen Z and Millennial voters.

Antony Green on the seats that could decide the 2025 election:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/abc-news-daily/antony-green-on-the-seats-that-could-decide-the-2025-election/104777210
Link

The era of the Baby Boomers as the dominant voting force in Federal politics is ending:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-25/election-2025-gen-z-millennial-outnumber-baby-boomers/104641230
Link

Boomers was also the name given by tha US to Soviet nuclear subs, I think.

And white Christmas kangaroos apparently.

Although the old fashioned timber guide posts were also know as “white kangaroos”, too. And the boomer name was never applied, as far as I know.

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:45:45
From: party_pants
ID: 2231853
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


There’s a WA election in two months. Polling is at 56-44 to ALP so it’s hard to see them losing it but certainly they aren’t going to achieve the heights they reached in 2021 where they ended with 70-30 in the 2pp.

Currently the Libs have 3 seats in the lower house and the Nats also have 3. In WA they do not operate as a Coalition.

Be interesting to see what happens in the LC, first time it will be run on a one-vote one-value system.

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Date: 1/01/2025 20:03:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2231858
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:

Boomers was also the name given by the US to Soviet nuclear subs, I think.

‘Boomer’ is an American-originated term, applied to ballistic missile submarines, regardless of nationality.

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Date: 1/01/2025 20:04:41
From: dv
ID: 2231859
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I think we had six white ones

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Date: 1/01/2025 20:05:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 2231862
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


I think we had six white ones

Rolf did.

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Date: 1/01/2025 22:41:49
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2231921
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Foreign born immigrants vote 60/40 in Labors favour

Shame your kids won’t be able to buy a home that’s the price you pay for being stupid. I say labor needs to get back in for another 4 years – better to kill this “country” quickly.

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Date: 2/01/2025 19:48:36
From: dv
ID: 2232262
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Pretty sick of these billionaires getting involved in politics

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:03:19
From: Michael V
ID: 2232468
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:05:40
From: dv
ID: 2232471
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

Blown out into 10-digits.

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:09:09
From: party_pants
ID: 2232473
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

“The report is a scathing assessment of the proposed stadium and finds the costs are “significantly understated”, benefits “overstated”, and the projected $775 million price tag is unrealistic.”

Ho hum. Colour me shocked.

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:13:07
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232477
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

“The 170-page Gruen report is damning.

It finds fault with the AFL’s agreement with the Tasmanian government, describing it as imposing “needless costs and restraints on the realisation of a Tasmanian team”, argues the timeline for the project is unrealistic and site selection was flawed.

The development application for a proposed multi-purpose stadium in Hobart has been lodged, with construction expected to cost $60 million more than previously estimated.

“The site selection analysis released was hasty and partial and gives the strong impression of being crafted to support conclusions already made,” Dr Gruen wrote.

“I think it likely that the site selection process rejected sites that would have generated lower costs and higher benefits while receiving greater community support.”“

You really have to wonder at what facors are at work when an independent report finds that the ‘responsible’ parties appeared to be hell-bent on going for what seems to be the worst possible option, good sense and accountability be damned.

I might suggest some pecuniary interest, but, as i apparently live in a glass house, i feel that i should eschew the projection of lithic objects.

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:15:40
From: Cymek
ID: 2232481
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

“The 170-page Gruen report is damning.

It finds fault with the AFL’s agreement with the Tasmanian government, describing it as imposing “needless costs and restraints on the realisation of a Tasmanian team”, argues the timeline for the project is unrealistic and site selection was flawed.

The development application for a proposed multi-purpose stadium in Hobart has been lodged, with construction expected to cost $60 million more than previously estimated.

“The site selection analysis released was hasty and partial and gives the strong impression of being crafted to support conclusions already made,” Dr Gruen wrote.

“I think it likely that the site selection process rejected sites that would have generated lower costs and higher benefits while receiving greater community support.”“

You really have to wonder at what facors are at work when an independent report finds that the ‘responsible’ parties appeared to be hell-bent on going for what seems to be the worst possible option, good sense and accountability be damned.

I might suggest some pecuniary interest, but, as i apparently live in a glass house, i feel that i should eschew the projection of lithic objects.

Shear stubbornness from the parties involved perhaps

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:16:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232484
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:


captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

“The 170-page Gruen report is damning.

It finds fault with the AFL’s agreement with the Tasmanian government, describing it as imposing “needless costs and restraints on the realisation of a Tasmanian team”, argues the timeline for the project is unrealistic and site selection was flawed.

The development application for a proposed multi-purpose stadium in Hobart has been lodged, with construction expected to cost $60 million more than previously estimated.

“The site selection analysis released was hasty and partial and gives the strong impression of being crafted to support conclusions already made,” Dr Gruen wrote.

“I think it likely that the site selection process rejected sites that would have generated lower costs and higher benefits while receiving greater community support.”“

You really have to wonder at what facors are at work when an independent report finds that the ‘responsible’ parties appeared to be hell-bent on going for what seems to be the worst possible option, good sense and accountability be damned.

I might suggest some pecuniary interest, but, as i apparently live in a glass house, i feel that i should eschew the projection of lithic objects.

Shear stubbornness from the parties involved perhaps

Yes, well, there’s never been any shortage of that in the halls of power.

Or anywhere else, for that matter.

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:20:21
From: party_pants
ID: 2232489
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

“The 170-page Gruen report is damning.

It finds fault with the AFL’s agreement with the Tasmanian government, describing it as imposing “needless costs and restraints on the realisation of a Tasmanian team”, argues the timeline for the project is unrealistic and site selection was flawed.

The development application for a proposed multi-purpose stadium in Hobart has been lodged, with construction expected to cost $60 million more than previously estimated.

“The site selection analysis released was hasty and partial and gives the strong impression of being crafted to support conclusions already made,” Dr Gruen wrote.

“I think it likely that the site selection process rejected sites that would have generated lower costs and higher benefits while receiving greater community support.”“

You really have to wonder at what facors are at work when an independent report finds that the ‘responsible’ parties appeared to be hell-bent on going for what seems to be the worst possible option, good sense and accountability be damned.

I might suggest some pecuniary interest, but, as i apparently live in a glass house, i feel that i should eschew the projection of lithic objects.

it is not about the cost. it is about (some) people in Tasmania wanting to feel better connected and integrated into Australian culture by having a local team in the national league of the most popular sport in the state. Instead of looking on from the outside and watching the games on TV. There is no price that can be put on this thing, it is social not economic. The economics of it don’t stack up and never will.

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:23:18
From: dv
ID: 2232493
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


There is no price that can be put on this thing, it is social not economic. The economics of it don’t stack up and never will.

That still doesn’t really explain why this thing even needs to cost a billion dollars.

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:24:35
From: party_pants
ID: 2232496
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


party_pants said:

There is no price that can be put on this thing, it is social not economic. The economics of it don’t stack up and never will.

That still doesn’t really explain why this thing even needs to cost a billion dollars.

Simple, the stadium has a glass roof covering the whole of the playing field.

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:26:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232497
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

it is not about the cost. it is about (some) people in Tasmania wanting to feel better connected and integrated into Australian culture by having a local team in the national league of the most popular sport in the state. Instead of looking on from the outside and watching the games on TV. There is no price that can be put on this thing, it is social not economic. The economics of it don’t stack up and never will.

Fair enough.

Agreed that it’s always going to be a costly exercise in social integration and cohesion, but with warm-fuzzies as the ultimate goal.

Does seem weird that they appear to have gone out of their way to maximise the financial cost, and gone with an option that seems to have been foregone to create division among Tasmanians, especially in Hobart.

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:28:37
From: dv
ID: 2232501
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


dv said:

party_pants said:

There is no price that can be put on this thing, it is social not economic. The economics of it don’t stack up and never will.

That still doesn’t really explain why this thing even needs to cost a billion dollars.

Simple, the stadium has a glass roof covering the whole of the playing field.

So, why do that? Why does the AFL’s Hobart venue require this when most of the AFL’s venues are not fully glass domed? Hobart rainfall is about the same as Melbourne’s. It seems like goldplating.

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:50:43
From: party_pants
ID: 2232516
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

That still doesn’t really explain why this thing even needs to cost a billion dollars.

Simple, the stadium has a glass roof covering the whole of the playing field.

So, why do that? Why does the AFL’s Hobart venue require this when most of the AFL’s venues are not fully glass domed? Hobart rainfall is about the same as Melbourne’s. It seems like goldplating.

Yeah, it is a bit. But that’s what they do in other cold climates with major sports stadiums.

But then again, I can see it being more comfortable. Apart from Woodie and his precious Swannies (never heard of them) I am probably one of the most ardent followers of the sport here. But even I would consider staying at home and watching it on TV instead of sitting outside unsheltered and exposed to the elements on a typical winter’s day in Hobart; with late afternoon temps falling below 10C along with howling wind and driving rain.

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Date: 3/01/2025 12:58:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232518
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

But even I would consider staying at home and watching it on TV instead of sitting outside unsheltered and exposed to the elements on a typical winter’s day in Hobart; with late afternoon temps falling below 10C along with howling wind and driving rain.

Is that not part of the esprit de corps of the hardcore fans of game and club? That they endure the elmental hardships to lend their support to their champions, whereas fainter souls are content to remain by the hearth, observe at a televisual distance, and so earn the scorn of the staunch and the die-hard?

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:03:37
From: party_pants
ID: 2232519
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:
But even I would consider staying at home and watching it on TV instead of sitting outside unsheltered and exposed to the elements on a typical winter’s day in Hobart; with late afternoon temps falling below 10C along with howling wind and driving rain.

Is that not part of the esprit de corps of the hardcore fans of game and club? That they endure the elmental hardships to lend their support to their champions, whereas fainter souls are content to remain by the hearth, observe at a televisual distance, and so earn the scorn of the staunch and the die-hard?

Probably there is an element of that going on, but the cadre of such supporters is limited in scope and may be of insufficient numbers to fill the stadium.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:04:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2232520
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


dv said:

party_pants said:

Simple, the stadium has a glass roof covering the whole of the playing field.

So, why do that? Why does the AFL’s Hobart venue require this when most of the AFL’s venues are not fully glass domed? Hobart rainfall is about the same as Melbourne’s. It seems like goldplating.

Yeah, it is a bit. But that’s what they do in other cold climates with major sports stadiums.

But then again, I can see it being more comfortable. Apart from Woodie and his precious Swannies (never heard of them) I am probably one of the most ardent followers of the sport here. But even I would consider staying at home and watching it on TV instead of sitting outside unsheltered and exposed to the elements on a typical winter’s day in Hobart; with late afternoon temps falling below 10C along with howling wind and driving rain.

Even though it is more likely to be grey and damp.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:06:08
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2232521
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:
But even I would consider staying at home and watching it on TV instead of sitting outside unsheltered and exposed to the elements on a typical winter’s day in Hobart; with late afternoon temps falling below 10C along with howling wind and driving rain.

Is that not part of the esprit de corps of the hardcore fans of game and club? That they endure the elmental hardships to lend their support to their champions, whereas fainter souls are content to remain by the hearth, observe at a televisual distance, and so earn the scorn of the staunch and the die-hard?

Probably there is an element of that going on, but the cadre of such supporters is limited in scope and may be of insufficient numbers to fill the stadium.

it is possible to build stands that are under cover and even heated.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:07:45
From: party_pants
ID: 2232522
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

So, why do that? Why does the AFL’s Hobart venue require this when most of the AFL’s venues are not fully glass domed? Hobart rainfall is about the same as Melbourne’s. It seems like goldplating.

Yeah, it is a bit. But that’s what they do in other cold climates with major sports stadiums.

But then again, I can see it being more comfortable. Apart from Woodie and his precious Swannies (never heard of them) I am probably one of the most ardent followers of the sport here. But even I would consider staying at home and watching it on TV instead of sitting outside unsheltered and exposed to the elements on a typical winter’s day in Hobart; with late afternoon temps falling below 10C along with howling wind and driving rain.

Even though it is more likely to be grey and damp.

OK, IK must admit to never having been to Hobart.

But it is bad enough sitting in an outdoor seat on a stormy winter’s day in Perth, and I have done it a number of times. I can only imagine Hobart being worse, and far colder.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:07:57
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232523
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

Is that not part of the esprit de corps of the hardcore fans of game and club? That they endure the elmental hardships to lend their support to their champions, whereas fainter souls are content to remain by the hearth, observe at a televisual distance, and so earn the scorn of the staunch and the die-hard?

Probably there is an element of that going on, but the cadre of such supporters is limited in scope and may be of insufficient numbers to fill the stadium.

Well, they don’t know what they’re missing, do they?

When you’re standing there, soaked to the skin, and your teeth chattering, and your side scores a goal, or a try, or a hole-in-one, or whatever, your sense of participation in the triumph is doubled, if not trebled.

Then, after the game, when all repair to the hostelry, the restorative effects of whisky, brandy, rum, and ale feel well-earned and much enhanced, and the re-telling of the game has a strong camaraderie.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:08:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232524
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Is that not part of the esprit de corps of the hardcore fans of game and club? That they endure the elmental hardships to lend their support to their champions, whereas fainter souls are content to remain by the hearth, observe at a televisual distance, and so earn the scorn of the staunch and the die-hard?

Probably there is an element of that going on, but the cadre of such supporters is limited in scope and may be of insufficient numbers to fill the stadium.

it is possible to build stands that are under cover and even heated.

O tempora, o mores!

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:13:44
From: party_pants
ID: 2232527
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Is that not part of the esprit de corps of the hardcore fans of game and club? That they endure the elmental hardships to lend their support to their champions, whereas fainter souls are content to remain by the hearth, observe at a televisual distance, and so earn the scorn of the staunch and the die-hard?

Probably there is an element of that going on, but the cadre of such supporters is limited in scope and may be of insufficient numbers to fill the stadium.

it is possible to build stands that are under cover and even heated.

Probably easy to build stands with large overhanging roof to give some protection from the rain, but depends which side of the wind is coming from.

The other option would be to have a solid retractable roof which can be closed on match days. Not sure what the cost difference is between that and a fixed clear (glass or plastic) roof. I did see somewhere that the proposal was to have a timber framed glass roof. I am not sure that is the cheapest option as opposed to say steel and plastic sheeting.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:15:36
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232528
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

I did see somewhere that the proposal was to have a timber framed glass roof.

Timber frame would, i suggest, require the highest maintenance costs.

Timber that’s exposed to rain and sun always needs diligent care.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:16:39
From: party_pants
ID: 2232529
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Probably there is an element of that going on, but the cadre of such supporters is limited in scope and may be of insufficient numbers to fill the stadium.

it is possible to build stands that are under cover and even heated.

Probably easy to build stands with large overhanging roof to give some protection from the rain, but depends which side of the wind is coming from.

The other option would be to have a solid retractable roof which can be closed on match days. Not sure what the cost difference is between that and a fixed clear (glass or plastic) roof. I did see somewhere that the proposal was to have a timber framed glass roof. I am not sure that is the cheapest option as opposed to say steel and plastic sheeting.

There seems to be an emotional need to make the stadium an architectural statement, not just a functional industrial building.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:18:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232531
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

There seems to be an emotional need to make the stadium an architectural statement, not just a functional industrial building.

Wouldn’t it be nice (and the industrial landscape a more pleasing sight) if the same need was felt among the ‘designers’ of functional industrial buildings? At lest just a little bit?

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:18:40
From: Ian
ID: 2232532
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Is that not part of the esprit de corps of the hardcore fans of game and club? That they endure the elmental hardships to lend their support to their champions, whereas fainter souls are content to remain by the hearth, observe at a televisual distance, and so earn the scorn of the staunch and the die-hard?

Probably there is an element of that going on, but the cadre of such supporters is limited in scope and may be of insufficient numbers to fill the stadium.

it is possible to build stands that are under cover and even heated.

That’d be the go.

Total price.. the usual.. about $2.2 Bil

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:22:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232537
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

Probably there is an element of that going on, but the cadre of such supporters is limited in scope and may be of insufficient numbers to fill the stadium.

it is possible to build stands that are under cover and even heated.

That’d be the go.

Total price.. the usual.. about $2.2 Bil

Some things seem to have a fixed cost, no matter when you look at buying them.

A new PC, with a good selection of the currently-ideal capabilities: $5,000

A presentable stadium: around $2 billion.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:22:10
From: Kingy
ID: 2232538
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

> Eric Abetz said, “We thank Dr Gruen for his work, and in preparing the report”.

He then said the government was “moving ahead” with delivering the project.<

Yep, the same old shit from adherents to the “Yes Minister” school of bullshit.

Someone makes a decision and then demands reports/surveys/consultations to support it. If the reports don’t support it they ignore them and do it anyway. We see it over and over.

After the inevitable giant fuckup occurs, there is a royal commission on the disaster, the results come in 2 years later and are summarily filed in the bin. Meanwhile the guilty party has already retired from politics with a fat pension and is sunning his/her arse on a beach somewhere in the sun being paid as a “consultant” by one of the construction firms/oil companies/etc while the taxpayers lose out on any actual assets as they have to pay off the debt and lawsuits incurred.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:25:35
From: party_pants
ID: 2232542
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

There seems to be an emotional need to make the stadium an architectural statement, not just a functional industrial building.

Wouldn’t it be nice (and the industrial landscape a more pleasing sight) if the same need was felt among the ‘designers’ of functional industrial buildings? At lest just a little bit?

It would be nice, but that’s a whole new topic.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:25:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232543
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Kingy said:


Michael V said:

Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

> Eric Abetz said, “We thank Dr Gruen for his work, and in preparing the report”.

He then said the government was “moving ahead” with delivering the project.<

Yep, the same old shit from adherents to the “Yes Minister” school of bullshit.

Someone makes a decision and then demands reports/surveys/consultations to support it. If the reports don’t support it they ignore them and do it anyway. We see it over and over.

After the inevitable giant fuckup occurs, there is a royal commission on the disaster, the results come in 2 years later and are summarily filed in the bin. Meanwhile the guilty party has already retired from politics with a fat pension and is sunning his/her arse on a beach somewhere in the sun being paid as a “consultant” by one of the construction firms/oil companies/etc while the taxpayers lose out on any actual assets as they have to pay off the debt and lawsuits incurred.

How dare you suggest that any of our hard-working politicians act out of any but the loftiest motives, or spare a thought for anything so base as money?

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:27:00
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2232544
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Kingy said:


Michael V said:

Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

> Eric Abetz said, “We thank Dr Gruen for his work, and in preparing the report”.

He then said the government was “moving ahead” with delivering the project.<

Yep, the same old shit from adherents to the “Yes Minister” school of bullshit.

Someone makes a decision and then demands reports/surveys/consultations to support it. If the reports don’t support it they ignore them and do it anyway. We see it over and over.

After the inevitable giant fuckup occurs, there is a royal commission on the disaster, the results come in 2 years later and are summarily filed in the bin. Meanwhile the guilty party has already retired from politics with a fat pension and is sunning his/her arse on a beach somewhere in the sun being paid as a “consultant” by one of the construction firms/oil companies/etc while the taxpayers lose out on any actual assets as they have to pay off the debt and lawsuits incurred.

Abetz likes football.

Also the labs are locked in. but the labs here are lobbying for Dutton. so that tells you all you need to know.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:27:54
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232545
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:

so that tells you all you need to know.

That it’s time to see if NZ is interested in buying Tasmania?

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:31:23
From: Michael V
ID: 2232548
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Kingy said:


Michael V said:

Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

> Eric Abetz said, “We thank Dr Gruen for his work, and in preparing the report”.

He then said the government was “moving ahead” with delivering the project.<

Yep, the same old shit from adherents to the “Yes Minister” school of bullshit.

Someone makes a decision and then demands reports/surveys/consultations to support it. If the reports don’t support it they ignore them and do it anyway. We see it over and over.

After the inevitable giant fuckup occurs, there is a royal commission on the disaster, the results come in 2 years later and are summarily filed in the bin. Meanwhile the guilty party has already retired from politics with a fat pension and is sunning his/her arse on a beach somewhere in the sun being paid as a “consultant” by one of the construction firms/oil companies/etc while the taxpayers lose out on any actual assets as they have to pay off the debt and lawsuits incurred.

Pretty much.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:31:50
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2232549
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Kingy said:

Michael V said:

Thanks for your report. We’ve fulfilled our promise to the Jackie Lambie Network. Now we will get on with the same stuff as before.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-03/tas-stadium-scathing-independent-gruen-review/104780914

> Eric Abetz said, “We thank Dr Gruen for his work, and in preparing the report”.

He then said the government was “moving ahead” with delivering the project.<

Yep, the same old shit from adherents to the “Yes Minister” school of bullshit.

Someone makes a decision and then demands reports/surveys/consultations to support it. If the reports don’t support it they ignore them and do it anyway. We see it over and over.

After the inevitable giant fuckup occurs, there is a royal commission on the disaster, the results come in 2 years later and are summarily filed in the bin. Meanwhile the guilty party has already retired from politics with a fat pension and is sunning his/her arse on a beach somewhere in the sun being paid as a “consultant” by one of the construction firms/oil companies/etc while the taxpayers lose out on any actual assets as they have to pay off the debt and lawsuits incurred.

How dare you suggest that any of our hard-working politicians act out of any but the loftiest motives, or spare a thought for anything so base as money?

Au contraire. It is you who always suggests that politicians aren’t largely just like everyone else. And the constant allusions to your own saintliness get a bit jarring after the hundredeth time.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:32:05
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2232550
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

There seems to be an emotional need to make the stadium an architectural statement, not just a functional industrial building.

Wouldn’t it be nice (and the industrial landscape a more pleasing sight) if the same need was felt among the ‘designers’ of functional industrial buildings? At lest just a little bit?

It would be nice, but that’s a whole new topic.

and it would also be nice that when they did the same people didn’t whine about how they don’t like the design.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:33:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232552
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Witty Rejoinder said:


captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

> Eric Abetz said, “We thank Dr Gruen for his work, and in preparing the report”.

He then said the government was “moving ahead” with delivering the project.<

Yep, the same old shit from adherents to the “Yes Minister” school of bullshit.

Someone makes a decision and then demands reports/surveys/consultations to support it. If the reports don’t support it they ignore them and do it anyway. We see it over and over.

After the inevitable giant fuckup occurs, there is a royal commission on the disaster, the results come in 2 years later and are summarily filed in the bin. Meanwhile the guilty party has already retired from politics with a fat pension and is sunning his/her arse on a beach somewhere in the sun being paid as a “consultant” by one of the construction firms/oil companies/etc while the taxpayers lose out on any actual assets as they have to pay off the debt and lawsuits incurred.

How dare you suggest that any of our hard-working politicians act out of any but the loftiest motives, or spare a thought for anything so base as money?

Au contraire. It is you who always suggests that politicians aren’t largely just like everyone else. And the constant allusions to your own saintliness get a bit jarring after the hundredeth time.

Oh, i used to be like that.

But, now, i’ve had the aura of my wees error of my ways shown to me, and i’m reformed.

I’ve been saved. Hallelujah.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:35:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2232557
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bogsnorkler said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Wouldn’t it be nice (and the industrial landscape a more pleasing sight) if the same need was felt among the ‘designers’ of functional industrial buildings? At lest just a little bit?

It would be nice, but that’s a whole new topic.

and it would also be nice that when they did the same people didn’t whine about how they don’t like the design.

I don’t like the design when viewed with historic Georgian architecture.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:50:12
From: dv
ID: 2232566
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Ian said:

sarahs mum said:

it is possible to build stands that are under cover and even heated.

That’d be the go.

Total price.. the usual.. about $2.2 Bil

Some things seem to have a fixed cost, no matter when you look at buying them.

A new PC, with a good selection of the currently-ideal capabilities: $5,000

A presentable stadium: around $2 billion.

Crazy.

Townsville is about the size of Hobart. The new stadium there cost $250 million and frankly that was another goldplated extravagance. Admittedly for AFL the length of the ground would need to be increased 15% … let’s go nuts and allocate $350 million for a stadium in Hobart.

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Date: 3/01/2025 13:55:24
From: Michael V
ID: 2232570
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Bogsnorkler said:

party_pants said:

It would be nice, but that’s a whole new topic.

and it would also be nice that when they did the same people didn’t whine about how they don’t like the design.

I don’t like the design when viewed with historic Georgian architecture.

I agree. Somewhere else, it might work perfectly.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:07:00
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2232575
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

and it would also be nice that when they did the same people didn’t whine about how they don’t like the design.

I don’t like the design when viewed with historic Georgian architecture.

I agree. Somewhere else, it might work perfectly.

looking at the artist impression it appears to be the best looking building in that area.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:23:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2232582
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bogsnorkler said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I don’t like the design when viewed with historic Georgian architecture.

I agree. Somewhere else, it might work perfectly.

looking at the artist impression it appears to be the best looking building in that area.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:25:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232584
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

and it would also be nice that when they did the same people didn’t whine about how they don’t like the design.

I don’t like the design when viewed with historic Georgian architecture.

I agree. Somewhere else, it might work perfectly.

Yes. The design/style/appearance of it has nothing wrong with it, when viewed in isolation.

It’s when you see the ‘artists’ impressions’ of how it’d look on the proposed site that it takes on some aspects of ‘an eyesore’.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:27:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232585
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bogsnorkler said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I don’t like the design when viewed with historic Georgian architecture.

I agree. Somewhere else, it might work perfectly.

looking at the artist impression it appears to be the best looking building in that area.

A fair point. Compared to its immediate neighbours, it’s ok.

Doesn’t look so good, looming over the older tourist-favourite structures.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:34:22
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2232592
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

I agree. Somewhere else, it might work perfectly.

looking at the artist impression it appears to be the best looking building in that area.


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Date: 3/01/2025 14:34:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2232593
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

I agree. Somewhere else, it might work perfectly.

looking at the artist impression it appears to be the best looking building in that area.

A fair point. Compared to its immediate neighbours, it’s ok.

Doesn’t look so good, looming over the older tourist-favourite structures.

the boys have no vision. they want an opera house. they want a darling harbour. they want an MCG.

this is more about landing a shit in full view. It isn’t about what we need or want in that location.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:38:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232596
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Hmm…

…to be honest, i’ve never been to Hobart. Got rellos there, but never been.

I understand that it’s a very pleasant place to visit, and i may well do it, one day.

But, judging by all of those pics, i don’t think that i should go there expecting extraordinary inspiration from its modern architecture.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:39:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2232597
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I actually like this one. But the view from the library and printmaking was better before it was renovated/renewed.

You showed also the marine board building that has a list of people wanting it removed and the sheraton which is one of the most hated buildings in the city.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:40:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2232599
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Hmm…

…to be honest, i’ve never been to Hobart. Got rellos there, but never been.

I understand that it’s a very pleasant place to visit, and i may well do it, one day.

But, judging by all of those pics, i don’t think that i should go there expecting extraordinary inspiration from its modern architecture.

It’s true that there are some regrettable modern buildings around the waterfront area, but that doesn’t mean it’s fine to dump an even more regrettable one there.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:42:31
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2232601
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I reckon if it was a new arts building it wouldn’t get this flack.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:43:06
From: Michael V
ID: 2232602
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bubblecar said:


captain_spalding said:

Hmm…

…to be honest, i’ve never been to Hobart. Got rellos there, but never been.

I understand that it’s a very pleasant place to visit, and i may well do it, one day.

But, judging by all of those pics, i don’t think that i should go there expecting extraordinary inspiration from its modern architecture.

It’s true that there are some regrettable modern buildings around the waterfront area, but that doesn’t mean it’s fine to dump an even more regrettable one there.

I agree.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:43:25
From: Cymek
ID: 2232603
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bubblecar said:


captain_spalding said:

Hmm…

…to be honest, i’ve never been to Hobart. Got rellos there, but never been.

I understand that it’s a very pleasant place to visit, and i may well do it, one day.

But, judging by all of those pics, i don’t think that i should go there expecting extraordinary inspiration from its modern architecture.

It’s true that there are some regrettable modern buildings around the waterfront area, but that doesn’t mean it’s fine to dump an even more regrettable one there.

It’s not exactly small either to be absorbed by other nicer buildings surrounding it.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:43:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2232604
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Hmm…

…to be honest, i’ve never been to Hobart. Got rellos there, but never been.

I understand that it’s a very pleasant place to visit, and i may well do it, one day.

But, judging by all of those pics, i don’t think that i should go there expecting extraordinary inspiration from its modern architecture.

It’s very low rise. (there are some larger buildings west of those photos.) And that makes it liveable. Also quotes cousin’s wife Charmaine from WA. “ I never thought I could live in a 150-year-old weatherboard house but the B&B has me convinced otherwise.”

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:46:22
From: Neophyte
ID: 2232607
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

There seems to be an emotional need to make the stadium an architectural statement, not just a functional industrial building.

Wouldn’t it be nice (and the industrial landscape a more pleasing sight) if the same need was felt among the ‘designers’ of functional industrial buildings? At lest just a little bit?

A friend of mine studied architecture at uni for three years, then quit when he realised he would probably be spending his life designing industrial sheds instead of the next Sydney Opera House.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:47:36
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232608
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Neophyte said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

There seems to be an emotional need to make the stadium an architectural statement, not just a functional industrial building.

Wouldn’t it be nice (and the industrial landscape a more pleasing sight) if the same need was felt among the ‘designers’ of functional industrial buildings? At lest just a little bit?

A friend of mine studied architecture at uni for three years, then quit when he realised he would probably be spending his life designing industrial sheds instead of the next Sydney Opera House.

Someone actually designs those industrial joints with the cement-slab walls?!

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:48:36
From: dv
ID: 2232610
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bogsnorkler said:


I reckon if it was a new arts building it wouldn’t get this flack.

I reckon there is zero percent chance of Hobart spending a billion dollars on a new arts building.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:49:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2232611
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bogsnorkler said:


I reckon if it was a new arts building it wouldn’t get this flack.

I think a new arts building in this precinct makes sense. TMAG’s collection overflows into the Rosny store and has much hidden away. MONA doesn’t deal in Tasmanian contemporary work per se and is more about shock values.

Moving the stadium on to the Domain would put it with the pool, the tennis courts and the athletics stuff. Convincing Tasmanians to cede some of the domain would be tricky. Unless you could swap it out and put a park in down there on the dock and call it the lower domain precinct.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:50:01
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2232613
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Bogsnorkler said:

I reckon if it was a new arts building it wouldn’t get this flack.

I reckon there is zero percent chance of Hobart spending a billion dollars on a new arts building.

no money in fringe interests.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:50:13
From: Cymek
ID: 2232614
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Neophyte said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

There seems to be an emotional need to make the stadium an architectural statement, not just a functional industrial building.

Wouldn’t it be nice (and the industrial landscape a more pleasing sight) if the same need was felt among the ‘designers’ of functional industrial buildings? At lest just a little bit?

A friend of mine studied architecture at uni for three years, then quit when he realised he would probably be spending his life designing industrial sheds instead of the next Sydney Opera House.

Easier to pretend one is an architect and make up building you designed.
Works for George

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:54:01
From: party_pants
ID: 2232617
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I think sports stadia should be bold and modern and not try to hide what they are. They are too big to “blend in” with the surrounding area by having some fake facade. They will dominate the area because of their size, no matter what.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:54:28
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232619
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:


Neophyte said:

captain_spalding said:

Wouldn’t it be nice (and the industrial landscape a more pleasing sight) if the same need was felt among the ‘designers’ of functional industrial buildings? At lest just a little bit?

A friend of mine studied architecture at uni for three years, then quit when he realised he would probably be spending his life designing industrial sheds instead of the next Sydney Opera House.

Easier to pretend one is an architect and make up building you designed.
Works for George

I seem to recall that the author Tom Wolfe, in ‘From Bauhaus To Our House’ suggested that some architects might go through their whole careers with only one building ever actually constructed.

Usually, a house designed for (and paid for) by their mother.

You can download the book from here:

https://annas-archive.org/search?q=from+bauhaus

It’s a little dated now, but it does take an entertaining look at the herd of sacred cows that ‘influential’ architects formed.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:55:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232620
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


I think sports stadia should be bold and modern and not try to hide what they are. They are too big to “blend in” with the surrounding area by having some fake facade. They will dominate the area because of their size, no matter what.

Can’t argue with that. They’ll be what they are.

The argument is over where they’ll be that.

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Date: 3/01/2025 14:55:32
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2232621
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


I think sports stadia should be bold and modern and not try to hide what they are. They are too big to “blend in” with the surrounding area by having some fake facade. They will dominate the area because of their size, no matter what.

yep, I mean the Coliseum in Rome stands out.

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Date: 3/01/2025 15:03:38
From: party_pants
ID: 2232627
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bogsnorkler said:


party_pants said:

I think sports stadia should be bold and modern and not try to hide what they are. They are too big to “blend in” with the surrounding area by having some fake facade. They will dominate the area because of their size, no matter what.

yep, I mean the Coliseum in Rome stands out.

It was probably the most modern building of its day.

But not near big enough even for soccer or rugby, let alone AFL.

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Date: 3/01/2025 15:18:36
From: dv
ID: 2232632
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Heck, since Tasmania obviously has infinite money to spent on kickaball facities why not just build the whole thing underground so the appearance doesn’t matter so much.

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Date: 3/01/2025 15:31:19
From: party_pants
ID: 2232633
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Heck, since Tasmania obviously has infinite money to spent on kickaball facities why not just build the whole thing underground so the appearance doesn’t matter so much.

I’m waiting for reality to collide with aspiration … any time soon.

Hopefully before they sign final contracts.

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:08:40
From: buffy
ID: 2232650
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


dv said:

Heck, since Tasmania obviously has infinite money to spent on kickaball facities why not just build the whole thing underground so the appearance doesn’t matter so much.

I’m waiting for reality to collide with aspiration … any time soon.

Hopefully before they sign final contracts.

Is this stadium to be used in the Summer for anything? A glass roof will be dreadfully hot on a hot January day in Hobart. I’ve been there when it’s hit 40 degrees. As unpleasant as anywhere else at 40 and you wouldn’t want to be in a terrarium.

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:11:45
From: party_pants
ID: 2232652
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Heck, since Tasmania obviously has infinite money to spent on kickaball facities why not just build the whole thing underground so the appearance doesn’t matter so much.

I’m waiting for reality to collide with aspiration … any time soon.

Hopefully before they sign final contracts.

Is this stadium to be used in the Summer for anything? A glass roof will be dreadfully hot on a hot January day in Hobart. I’ve been there when it’s hit 40 degrees. As unpleasant as anywhere else at 40 and you wouldn’t want to be in a terrarium.

I don’t think so, but I’m not sure.

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:13:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2232654
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

I’m waiting for reality to collide with aspiration … any time soon.

Hopefully before they sign final contracts.

Is this stadium to be used in the Summer for anything? A glass roof will be dreadfully hot on a hot January day in Hobart. I’ve been there when it’s hit 40 degrees. As unpleasant as anywhere else at 40 and you wouldn’t want to be in a terrarium.

I don’t think so, but I’m not sure.

Growing drugs, to pay it off.

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:15:52
From: Kingy
ID: 2232656
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Heck, since Tasmania obviously has infinite money to spent on kickaball facities why not just build the whole thing underground so the appearance doesn’t matter so much.

I’m waiting for reality to collide with aspiration … any time soon.

Hopefully before they sign final contracts.

Is this stadium to be used in the Summer for anything? A glass roof will be dreadfully hot on a hot January day in Hobart. I’ve been there when it’s hit 40 degrees. As unpleasant as anywhere else at 40 and you wouldn’t want to be in a terrarium.

No doubt they’ll give cricket a go.

I personally think the glass roof thing is just some wannabe architect having a wank.

What’s going to hold it up?
What happens when it hails?
How do you cool it in summer?

Oh, yeah, that’s the engineers problems.

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:21:51
From: Neophyte
ID: 2232661
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Kingy said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

I’m waiting for reality to collide with aspiration … any time soon.

Hopefully before they sign final contracts.

Is this stadium to be used in the Summer for anything? A glass roof will be dreadfully hot on a hot January day in Hobart. I’ve been there when it’s hit 40 degrees. As unpleasant as anywhere else at 40 and you wouldn’t want to be in a terrarium.

No doubt they’ll give cricket a go.

I personally think the glass roof thing is just some wannabe architect having a wank.

What’s going to hold it up?
What happens when it hails?
How do you cool it in summer?

Oh, yeah, that’s the engineers problems.

It slides open/closed, like in “Thunderbirds”

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:25:14
From: party_pants
ID: 2232663
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Neophyte said:


Kingy said:

buffy said:

Is this stadium to be used in the Summer for anything? A glass roof will be dreadfully hot on a hot January day in Hobart. I’ve been there when it’s hit 40 degrees. As unpleasant as anywhere else at 40 and you wouldn’t want to be in a terrarium.

No doubt they’ll give cricket a go.

I personally think the glass roof thing is just some wannabe architect having a wank.

What’s going to hold it up?
What happens when it hails?
How do you cool it in summer?

Oh, yeah, that’s the engineers problems.

It slides open/closed, like in “Thunderbirds”

I think they might need an opening and closing roof

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:30:15
From: buffy
ID: 2232664
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

I’m waiting for reality to collide with aspiration … any time soon.

Hopefully before they sign final contracts.

Is this stadium to be used in the Summer for anything? A glass roof will be dreadfully hot on a hot January day in Hobart. I’ve been there when it’s hit 40 degrees. As unpleasant as anywhere else at 40 and you wouldn’t want to be in a terrarium.

I don’t think so, but I’m not sure.

That would make it even more wasteful, if it is only used for part of the year.

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:31:47
From: Woodie
ID: 2232665
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Kingy said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

I’m waiting for reality to collide with aspiration … any time soon.

Hopefully before they sign final contracts.

Is this stadium to be used in the Summer for anything? A glass roof will be dreadfully hot on a hot January day in Hobart. I’ve been there when it’s hit 40 degrees. As unpleasant as anywhere else at 40 and you wouldn’t want to be in a terrarium.

No doubt they’ll give cricket a go.

I personally think the glass roof thing is just some wannabe architect having a wank.

What’s going to hold it up?
What happens when it hails?
How do you cool it in summer?

Oh, yeah, that’s the engineers problems.

They’ll just have to huff, and then puff, and bloooooooooow the roof down.

Afterall, it will be made of sticks, hey what but.

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:32:12
From: buffy
ID: 2232666
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


Neophyte said:

Kingy said:

No doubt they’ll give cricket a go.

I personally think the glass roof thing is just some wannabe architect having a wank.

What’s going to hold it up?
What happens when it hails?
How do you cool it in summer?

Oh, yeah, that’s the engineers problems.

It slides open/closed, like in “Thunderbirds”

I think they might need an opening and closing roof

Well, that’s unlikely to be wood framed as mentioned earlier. My Hobart civil engineer brother was involved in the design of the roof of the stadium in Melbourne. I suppose things have moved on a bit since then, but that wasn’t easy.

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:34:15
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2232670
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Neophyte said:


Kingy said:

buffy said:

Is this stadium to be used in the Summer for anything? A glass roof will be dreadfully hot on a hot January day in Hobart. I’ve been there when it’s hit 40 degrees. As unpleasant as anywhere else at 40 and you wouldn’t want to be in a terrarium.

No doubt they’ll give cricket a go.

I personally think the glass roof thing is just some wannabe architect having a wank.

What’s going to hold it up?
What happens when it hails?
How do you cool it in summer?

Oh, yeah, that’s the engineers problems.

It slides open/closed, like in “Thunderbirds”

sans palm trees?

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:37:00
From: party_pants
ID: 2232673
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


party_pants said:

buffy said:

Is this stadium to be used in the Summer for anything? A glass roof will be dreadfully hot on a hot January day in Hobart. I’ve been there when it’s hit 40 degrees. As unpleasant as anywhere else at 40 and you wouldn’t want to be in a terrarium.

I don’t think so, but I’m not sure.

That would make it even more wasteful, if it is only used for part of the year.

I have mentioned this many times too. Hobart already has a cricket ground to use in the summer, and has done for a hundred years. I can’t see the cricket people suddenly moving to a new stadium when they already have a large sunk cost in developing that ground.

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Date: 3/01/2025 16:47:37
From: furious
ID: 2232678
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think so, but I’m not sure.

That would make it even more wasteful, if it is only used for part of the year.

I have mentioned this many times too. Hobart already has a cricket ground to use in the summer, and has done for a hundred years. I can’t see the cricket people suddenly moving to a new stadium when they already have a large sunk cost in developing that ground.

You mean like they don’t play cricket at optus, only at the waca?

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Date: 3/01/2025 17:15:22
From: party_pants
ID: 2232682
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

furious said:


party_pants said:

buffy said:

That would make it even more wasteful, if it is only used for part of the year.

I have mentioned this many times too. Hobart already has a cricket ground to use in the summer, and has done for a hundred years. I can’t see the cricket people suddenly moving to a new stadium when they already have a large sunk cost in developing that ground.

You mean like they don’t play cricket at optus, only at the waca?

Are you aware of the politics and argy-bargy it took to get WA cricket to play at the new stadium?

They initially wanted nothing to do with it, and came up with a plan to redevelop the WACA instead, because they had a 999 year lease on the land with a good 900 years left. They asked for government funds but got rejected, so they went to a private developer. Anyway, long story short the private developers couldn’t get the money and it all fell through. Then they had to go back to the state and federal governments cap in hand for the money. Only after these final pleas got rejected they came up with a plan to play cricket at the new stadium as if it was some stoke of genius. Meanwhile, the footy people were lobbying the state government hard to make the new stadium dimensions exactly the same as Subi to preserve “home ground advantage”, which would not have met minimum size for cricket according to ICC rules. The state government had to really stamp their feet to insist that the new stadium will be the correct size (just) to host international cricket.

The amount of politicking and banging heads together that the state government had to do was extraordinary.

I imagine Tasmania would be very similar between footy and cricket.

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Date: 3/01/2025 17:31:37
From: party_pants
ID: 2232686
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


furious said:

party_pants said:

I have mentioned this many times too. Hobart already has a cricket ground to use in the summer, and has done for a hundred years. I can’t see the cricket people suddenly moving to a new stadium when they already have a large sunk cost in developing that ground.

You mean like they don’t play cricket at optus, only at the waca?

Are you aware of the politics and argy-bargy it took to get WA cricket to play at the new stadium?

They initially wanted nothing to do with it, and came up with a plan to redevelop the WACA instead, because they had a 999 year lease on the land with a good 900 years left. They asked for government funds but got rejected, so they went to a private developer. Anyway, long story short the private developers couldn’t get the money and it all fell through. Then they had to go back to the state and federal governments cap in hand for the money. Only after these final pleas got rejected they came up with a plan to play cricket at the new stadium as if it was some stoke of genius. Meanwhile, the footy people were lobbying the state government hard to make the new stadium dimensions exactly the same as Subi to preserve “home ground advantage”, which would not have met minimum size for cricket according to ICC rules. The state government had to really stamp their feet to insist that the new stadium will be the correct size (just) to host international cricket.

The amount of politicking and banging heads together that the state government had to do was extraordinary.

I imagine Tasmania would be very similar between footy and cricket.

Mind you, I am very happy with the outcome we got regards the stadium. but it really took the emerpor to put his foot down and override all the petty vested interests, it wasn’t popular at the time.

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Date: 3/01/2025 17:32:37
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232687
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

I imagine Tasmania would be very similar between footy and cricket.

Reminiscent of inter-service politicking and lobbying in the halls of the Defence Dept in Canberra, and in Parliament House.

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Date: 3/01/2025 17:40:16
From: party_pants
ID: 2232697
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

I imagine Tasmania would be very similar between footy and cricket.

Reminiscent of inter-service politicking and lobbying in the halls of the Defence Dept in Canberra, and in Parliament House.

heh, probably worse than that :)

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Date: 3/01/2025 17:48:43
From: furious
ID: 2232704
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


furious said:

party_pants said:

I have mentioned this many times too. Hobart already has a cricket ground to use in the summer, and has done for a hundred years. I can’t see the cricket people suddenly moving to a new stadium when they already have a large sunk cost in developing that ground.

You mean like they don’t play cricket at optus, only at the waca?

Are you aware of the politics and argy-bargy it took to get WA cricket to play at the new stadium?

They initially wanted nothing to do with it, and came up with a plan to redevelop the WACA instead, because they had a 999 year lease on the land with a good 900 years left. They asked for government funds but got rejected, so they went to a private developer. Anyway, long story short the private developers couldn’t get the money and it all fell through. Then they had to go back to the state and federal governments cap in hand for the money. Only after these final pleas got rejected they came up with a plan to play cricket at the new stadium as if it was some stoke of genius. Meanwhile, the footy people were lobbying the state government hard to make the new stadium dimensions exactly the same as Subi to preserve “home ground advantage”, which would not have met minimum size for cricket according to ICC rules. The state government had to really stamp their feet to insist that the new stadium will be the correct size (just) to host international cricket.

The amount of politicking and banging heads together that the state government had to do was extraordinary.

I imagine Tasmania would be very similar between footy and cricket.

I actually thought they wanted to make it similar sized to the MCG to add more away game advantage. Cause you have to win at the MCG to win the flag. Other than that, no, I was unaware of any argy bargy because I was far removed during that time…

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Date: 3/01/2025 19:06:07
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232722
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ABC News:

It may be merely unfortunate coincidence.

Or, it may that, if there’s a bum-side-up worst way of doing something, the Tas govt will not only find it, but adopt it wholeheartedly.

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Date: 3/01/2025 19:10:01
From: Neophyte
ID: 2232724
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

It may be merely unfortunate coincidence.

Or, it may that, if there’s a bum-side-up worst way of doing something, the Tas govt will not only find it, but adopt it wholeheartedly.

Build a sports stadium on it, and float it off Battery Point.

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Date: 3/01/2025 19:12:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232726
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Neophyte said:


captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

It may be merely unfortunate coincidence.

Or, it may that, if there’s a bum-side-up worst way of doing something, the Tas govt will not only find it, but adopt it wholeheartedly.

Build a sports stadium on it, and float it off Battery Point.

Your ideas interest me…

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Date: 3/01/2025 19:13:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2232727
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Neophyte said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

It may be merely unfortunate coincidence.

Or, it may that, if there’s a bum-side-up worst way of doing something, the Tas govt will not only find it, but adopt it wholeheartedly.

Build a sports stadium on it, and float it off Battery Point.

see yous all thought it was just a stadium but with its sliding polycarbonate roof and island location turns out it’s actually a missile silo and submarine dock

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Date: 3/01/2025 19:16:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2232729
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Neophyte said:


captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

It may be merely unfortunate coincidence.

Or, it may that, if there’s a bum-side-up worst way of doing something, the Tas govt will not only find it, but adopt it wholeheartedly.

Build a sports stadium on it, and float it off Battery Point.

B&B it.

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Date: 3/01/2025 19:18:19
From: Kingy
ID: 2232731
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

It may be merely unfortunate coincidence.

Or, it may that, if there’s a bum-side-up worst way of doing something, the Tas govt will not only find it, but adopt it wholeheartedly.

Being such a highly qualified and experienced speculator of subjects completely beyond my knowledge, my question is this?

Why can’t they anchor it off tassie for free, or even shuttle passengers to & from it while they conduct the first few voyages across the Bass in order to iron out the inevitable wrinkles of a new ship?

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Date: 3/01/2025 19:20:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232732
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Kingy said:


captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

It may be merely unfortunate coincidence.

Or, it may that, if there’s a bum-side-up worst way of doing something, the Tas govt will not only find it, but adopt it wholeheartedly.

Being such a highly qualified and experienced speculator of subjects completely beyond my knowledge, my question is this?

Why can’t they anchor it off tassie for free, or even shuttle passengers to & from it while they conduct the first few voyages across the Bass in order to iron out the inevitable wrinkles of a new ship?

My good man, if you will insist on making sense, i suggest that you should please find some forum where that sort of thing is tolerated.

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Date: 3/01/2025 19:22:20
From: Michael V
ID: 2232733
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Neophyte said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

It may be merely unfortunate coincidence.

Or, it may that, if there’s a bum-side-up worst way of doing something, the Tas govt will not only find it, but adopt it wholeheartedly.

Build a sports stadium on it, and float it off Battery Point.

see yous all thought it was just a stadium but with its sliding polycarbonate roof and island location turns out it’s actually a missile silo and submarine dock

Oh, perfect.

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Date: 3/01/2025 19:31:37
From: Ian
ID: 2232737
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Neophyte said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

It may be merely unfortunate coincidence.

Or, it may that, if there’s a bum-side-up worst way of doing something, the Tas govt will not only find it, but adopt it wholeheartedly.

Build a sports stadium on it, and float it off Battery Point.

see yous all thought it was just a stadium but with its sliding polycarbonate roof and island location turns out it’s actually a missile silo and submarine dock

Won’t interfere with the sub levels for the social housing and nuke shelter?

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Date: 4/01/2025 20:58:50
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2233115
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

04 January 2025
Dr Nicholas Gruen questions why community not on board on stadium
Sue Bailey

Macquarie Point Stadium design.

While steering clear of politics, the author of the report into the Macquarie Point stadium has hit out at advocates who tried to “foist it on people”.

Melbourne independent economist Dr Nicholas Gruen sent his 170 page review of the stadium to the government at midnight on January 1.

Business Minister Eric Abetz released the report publicly on Friday morning and said the government was “moving ahead delivering the precinct” but surprisingly no government ministers fronted the media to discuss it.

Dr Gruen said he was disappointed he was not told the report was going to be released.

“I’m not trying to say what the government should or shouldn’t do,” he said.

“One of the things that I was told is that the government released the report to initiate the discussion.

“So a question is, well, why don’t they participate in it?”
Dr Nicholas Gruen. Picture: Supplied.
Dr Nicholas Gruen. Picture: Supplied.

Asked if he believed the stadium would be built Dr Gruen said: “I don’t know.

“I do think that those people who want the stadium have done themselves and their cause no service by trying to foist it on people.

“They needed to take their time and get the community on board and they’re not doing that. “They’re risking the very thing that they claim to want most.”

Dr Gruen said in his work he was used to his efforts sometimes “being wasted”.

“You produce the best output you can, and then it’s in other people’s hands.

“I also maybe a bit unusual in that I kind of feel for a lot for these politicians, because they’ve got these basically ridiculous roles to play, where one side says how great everything is, and the other side says how terrible everything is, and they’re kind of caught in the middle.

“They have to do what they have to do, and I’m doing what I was asked to do.”

In a statement Mr Abetz said: “The transformation of Macquarie Point will shape Tasmania for generations, and unlock decades of investment, jobs, and opportunity.”

Dr Gruen is a prominent economist and visiting professor at King’s College London’s policy institute.

He comes from a family of economists, is a graduate of the University of Melbourne’s law school and has a PhD from the Australian National University.

susan.bailey@news.com.au

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Date: 6/01/2025 15:27:01
From: dv
ID: 2233739
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Deidre Chambers!

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Date: 6/01/2025 15:27:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2233740
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ethanolamine

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Date: 6/01/2025 19:04:05
From: Ian
ID: 2233785
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

‘Sabotaged’: Tony Abbott claims his government was ‘thwarted by leftist establishment’

Tony Abbott has blamed “unelected and unaccountable” Canberra officials for his government’s failure, claiming that he was “thwarted by a leftist establishment” and his ministers “captured” bureaucrats.

The former Prime Minister, who was elected in 2013 but was ousted by Malcolm Turnbull in a 2015 leadership spill, has reflected on what he would have done differently if given a second chance.

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Mr Abbott said former US President Donald Trump was first elected in 2016 “on a promise to ‘drain the swamp’, but eventually, ‘the swamp’ got him”, while the UK’s Boris Johnson “had the potential to be a great Prime Minister but squandered working people’s support on the altar of climate change-driven policy gimmicks like mandatory electric cars and heat pumps replacing gas boilers”.

Reflecting on his own short-lived Coalition government, Mr Abbott insisted it “started strongly enough by stopping a wave of illegal immigration by small boat and by repealing a carbon tax and a mining tax”.

“But Senate obstruction sabotaged its first, economically reforming budget and internal policy differences then led to a revolving door prime ministership,” he said.

“If the clock could be turned back, I would have insisted that all my frontbenchers provide a detailed blueprint of what needed to change in order to make a difference in their portfolio area, and explain how their proposed changes reflected our ‘smaller government, bigger citizen’ political instincts. I would have insisted that at least a version of their thinking be made public well before an election. That way, the bureaucracy — or at least that section of it still motivated by traditional Westminster ideals of impartial public service — would have had more guidance in policy formation.”

News.com.au thought that was such a valuable piece that it didn’t put it behind a paywall

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Date: 6/01/2025 19:25:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2233792
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


‘Sabotaged’: Tony Abbott claims his government was ‘thwarted by leftist establishment’

Tony Abbott has blamed “unelected and unaccountable” Canberra officials for his government’s failure, claiming that he was “thwarted by a leftist establishment” and his ministers “captured” bureaucrats.

The former Prime Minister, who was elected in 2013 but was ousted by Malcolm Turnbull in a 2015 leadership spill, has reflected on what he would have done differently if given a second chance.

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Mr Abbott said former US President Donald Trump was first elected in 2016 “on a promise to ‘drain the swamp’, but eventually, ‘the swamp’ got him”, while the UK’s Boris Johnson “had the potential to be a great Prime Minister but squandered working people’s support on the altar of climate change-driven policy gimmicks like mandatory electric cars and heat pumps replacing gas boilers”.

Reflecting on his own short-lived Coalition government, Mr Abbott insisted it “started strongly enough by stopping a wave of illegal immigration by small boat and by repealing a carbon tax and a mining tax”.

“But Senate obstruction sabotaged its first, economically reforming budget and internal policy differences then led to a revolving door prime ministership,” he said.

“If the clock could be turned back, I would have insisted that all my frontbenchers provide a detailed blueprint of what needed to change in order to make a difference in their portfolio area, and explain how their proposed changes reflected our ‘smaller government, bigger citizen’ political instincts. I would have insisted that at least a version of their thinking be made public well before an election. That way, the bureaucracy — or at least that section of it still motivated by traditional Westminster ideals of impartial public service — would have had more guidance in policy formation.”

News.com.au thought that was such a valuable piece that it didn’t put it behind a paywall

Tell him to stick a raw onion up his bum-bum.

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Date: 6/01/2025 19:29:04
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2233793
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I am loath to make any remarks of any kind on anything to do with Australian politics, as it invariably causes something to happen.

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Date: 6/01/2025 19:30:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2233794
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


I am loath to make any remarks of any kind on anything to do with Australian politics, as it invariably causes something to happen.

Something that threatens the very fabric of space and time?

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Date: 6/01/2025 19:30:14
From: Michael V
ID: 2233796
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


‘Sabotaged’: Tony Abbott claims his government was ‘thwarted by leftist establishment’

Tony Abbott has blamed “unelected and unaccountable” Canberra officials for his government’s failure, claiming that he was “thwarted by a leftist establishment” and his ministers “captured” bureaucrats.

The former Prime Minister, who was elected in 2013 but was ousted by Malcolm Turnbull in a 2015 leadership spill, has reflected on what he would have done differently if given a second chance.

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Mr Abbott said former US President Donald Trump was first elected in 2016 “on a promise to ‘drain the swamp’, but eventually, ‘the swamp’ got him”, while the UK’s Boris Johnson “had the potential to be a great Prime Minister but squandered working people’s support on the altar of climate change-driven policy gimmicks like mandatory electric cars and heat pumps replacing gas boilers”.

Reflecting on his own short-lived Coalition government, Mr Abbott insisted it “started strongly enough by stopping a wave of illegal immigration by small boat and by repealing a carbon tax and a mining tax”.

“But Senate obstruction sabotaged its first, economically reforming budget and internal policy differences then led to a revolving door prime ministership,” he said.

“If the clock could be turned back, I would have insisted that all my frontbenchers provide a detailed blueprint of what needed to change in order to make a difference in their portfolio area, and explain how their proposed changes reflected our ‘smaller government, bigger citizen’ political instincts. I would have insisted that at least a version of their thinking be made public well before an election. That way, the bureaucracy — or at least that section of it still motivated by traditional Westminster ideals of impartial public service — would have had more guidance in policy formation.”

News.com.au thought that was such a valuable piece that it didn’t put it behind a paywall

Well, it is a load of self-indulgent codswallop.

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Date: 6/01/2025 19:31:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2233797
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bubblecar said:


captain_spalding said:

I am loath to make any remarks of any kind on anything to do with Australian politics, as it invariably causes something to happen.

Something that threatens the very fabric of space and time?

Not as far as i am aware.

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Date: 6/01/2025 19:32:03
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2233799
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

I am loath to make any remarks of any kind on anything to do with Australian politics, as it invariably causes something to happen.

Something that threatens the very fabric of space and time?

Not as far as i am aware.

Well there you are then, you are cleared to comment.

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Date: 6/01/2025 19:36:07
From: Ian
ID: 2233803
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


I am loath to make any remarks of any kind on anything to do with Australian politics, as it invariably causes something to happen.

Like what?

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Date: 6/01/2025 19:36:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2233804
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bubblecar said:


captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Something that threatens the very fabric of space and time?

Not as far as i am aware.

Well there you are then, you are cleared to comment.

Thnaks, but the predicability of subsequent events has become so tiresome as to cause me to forbear.

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Date: 6/01/2025 20:05:36
From: Ian
ID: 2233826
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


‘Sabotaged’: Tony Abbott claims his government was ‘thwarted by leftist establishment’

Tony Abbott has blamed “unelected and unaccountable” Canberra officials for his government’s failure, claiming that he was “thwarted by a leftist establishment” and his ministers “captured” bureaucrats.

The former Prime Minister, who was elected in 2013 but was ousted by Malcolm Turnbull in a 2015 leadership spill, has reflected on what he would have done differently if given a second chance.

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Mr Abbott said former US President Donald Trump was first elected in 2016 “on a promise to ‘drain the swamp’, but eventually, ‘the swamp’ got him”, while the UK’s Boris Johnson “had the potential to be a great Prime Minister but squandered working people’s support on the altar of climate change-driven policy gimmicks like mandatory electric cars and heat pumps replacing gas boilers”.

Reflecting on his own short-lived Coalition government, Mr Abbott insisted it “started strongly enough by stopping a wave of illegal immigration by small boat and by repealing a carbon tax and a mining tax”.

“But Senate obstruction sabotaged its first, economically reforming budget and internal policy differences then led to a revolving door prime ministership,” he said.

“If the clock could be turned back, I would have insisted that all my frontbenchers provide a detailed blueprint of what needed to change in order to make a difference in their portfolio area, and explain how their proposed changes reflected our ‘smaller government, bigger citizen’ political instincts. I would have insisted that at least a version of their thinking be made public well before an election. That way, the bureaucracy — or at least that section of it still motivated by traditional Westminster ideals of impartial public service — would have had more guidance in policy formation.”

News.com.au thought that was such a valuable piece that it didn’t put it behind a paywall

Malcolm Farr responded..

Sorry Tony, but the only person you have to blame for being booted out of office is yourself

The excuses tumbled over each other as our former prime minister, Tony Abbott, gave his analysis of the failures of conservative governments including, of course, his own. Saboteurs were out to get him, not least such forces as the “tyranny of officialdom”, as the headline on an Abbott blame-shedding article put it in Monday’s The Australian.

But democratically elected members of parliament also done him in, including fellow Liberals.

The pleading for political innocence and victimhood may amuse some who believe Abbott is deeply in debt to fellow Liberal Scott Morrison for relieving him of the title of worst Australian prime minister of the modern era.

From 2013 to 2015, many Australians carried the thought, “What’s Abbott going to do next?” It was a sense of apprehension about the actions of a PM who thought giving the late Prince Philip a knighthood would be a popular move, and who threatened to “shirt-front” Russian president Vladimir Putin – but didn’t.

Meanwhile, there was the running sideshow of Abbott-isms. Remember the “suppository of wisdom”? And it seemed – incorrectly – that he had dismissed a soldier’s death in Afghanistan with a crude “shit happens”.

Political misery sufferers can seek to join equally unhappy company to reinforce claims of being badly done by.

Abbott’s list of enemies was first outlined in a speech last week to conservatives in Canada – or “Canadia” as he once accidentally but memorably re-labeled the country.

It was an opportunity for Abbott to not only claim victimhood but give it international status. He could rank himself with other leaders whose quest for glory he considered had been violated by public servants and “the establishment”— Donald Trump and Britain’s Boris Johnson.

He wrote: “Boris Johnson had the potential to be a great prime minister but squandered working people’s support on the altar of climate change-driven policy gimmicks, such as mandatory electric cars and heat pumps replacing gas boilers.”

But Tories kicked out Johnson, who had riled voters with his incompetence, hypocrisy and lies – not his climate change policies.

(It’s handy to remember that in 2020 Johnson appointed Abbott as a trade adviser.)

As for the now US president-elect, Abbott had this to say: “In 2016, Donald Trump was first elected on a promise to ‘drain the swamp’ but eventually ‘the swamp’ got him.”

But immediately after this passage he criticised Trump for his ignorance: “As someone who had never been in government and was unfamiliar with Washington, he had instincts rather than well-developed policies or even well-thought-through ideas for how to develop policy.”

Well, that’s OK then.

In another contestable historical outlook, Abbott said: “The Australian centre-right Liberal-National Coalition government that I led into office in 2013 started strongly enough by stopping a wave of illegal immigration by small boat and by repealing a carbon tax and a mining tax.”

“But Senate obstruction sabotaged its first economically reforming budget and internal policy differences then led to a revolving door prime ministership,” Abbott recalled.

“If the clock could be turned back, I would have insisted that all my frontbenchers provide a detailed blueprint of what needed to change in order to make a difference in their portfolio area, and explain how their proposed changes reflected our ‘smaller government, bigger citizen’ political instincts”.

So, like Trump, the basis of his government was instinct, but if he had his time again he would, again like Trump, produce concepts rather than detailed policy. And as Trump has done, Abbott would get right-wing thinktanks to fill his empty policy coffers.

Few prime ministers have been given the job with such enthusiasm, and then proceeded to dissipate that support so quickly.

After two messy years, Abbott’s colleagues wanted him out, and they replaced him with Malcolm Turnbull.

Then the voters in 2019 rejected Abbott in the seat of Warringah, picking independent and former Olympic skier Zali Steggall. It was the first time the Liberals had lost the seat.

Tony Abbott’s problem in office was not that his policies were frustrated by enemies. The problem was they were unpopular policies relying on severity of purpose. More kick and gouge than encourage and comfort.

Despite his claim that the big kids picked on him, Abbott got much of his priorities through: trade pacts with Japan, South Korea and China, for example.

But he rejected the “cult” of climate change and carbon pricing, and instead boosted mining; he launched tough budgets, and asked a royal commission to look at trade union corruption. He vigorously opposed same-sex-marriage, which a majority of Australians – and voters in his own electorate – supported.

It wasn’t a deep state or tyrannical public service that brought him down.

Voters had cheered him into office to become their voice. That support collapsed when voters realised he had stopped listening to anything but the cheers.

One consequence of politicians blaming other elements of government for their own failures is that it can encourage people who want to dismantle those elements, many of which help safeguard democracy. We should all take as a warning Trump’s dangerous threat to the US Justice Department – hostile because it has done its job – as one of those consequences.

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Date: 6/01/2025 20:07:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2233829
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


Ian said:

‘Sabotaged’: Tony Abbott claims his government was ‘thwarted by leftist establishment’

Tony Abbott has blamed “unelected and unaccountable” Canberra officials for his government’s failure, claiming that he was “thwarted by a leftist establishment” and his ministers “captured” bureaucrats.

The former Prime Minister, who was elected in 2013 but was ousted by Malcolm Turnbull in a 2015 leadership spill, has reflected on what he would have done differently if given a second chance.

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Mr Abbott said former US President Donald Trump was first elected in 2016 “on a promise to ‘drain the swamp’, but eventually, ‘the swamp’ got him”, while the UK’s Boris Johnson “had the potential to be a great Prime Minister but squandered working people’s support on the altar of climate change-driven policy gimmicks like mandatory electric cars and heat pumps replacing gas boilers”.

Reflecting on his own short-lived Coalition government, Mr Abbott insisted it “started strongly enough by stopping a wave of illegal immigration by small boat and by repealing a carbon tax and a mining tax”.

“But Senate obstruction sabotaged its first, economically reforming budget and internal policy differences then led to a revolving door prime ministership,” he said.

“If the clock could be turned back, I would have insisted that all my frontbenchers provide a detailed blueprint of what needed to change in order to make a difference in their portfolio area, and explain how their proposed changes reflected our ‘smaller government, bigger citizen’ political instincts. I would have insisted that at least a version of their thinking be made public well before an election. That way, the bureaucracy — or at least that section of it still motivated by traditional Westminster ideals of impartial public service — would have had more guidance in policy formation.”

News.com.au thought that was such a valuable piece that it didn’t put it behind a paywall

Malcolm Farr responded..

Sorry Tony, but the only person you have to blame for being booted out of office is yourself

The excuses tumbled over each other as our former prime minister, Tony Abbott, gave his analysis of the failures of conservative governments including, of course, his own. Saboteurs were out to get him, not least such forces as the “tyranny of officialdom”, as the headline on an Abbott blame-shedding article put it in Monday’s The Australian.

But democratically elected members of parliament also done him in, including fellow Liberals.

The pleading for political innocence and victimhood may amuse some who believe Abbott is deeply in debt to fellow Liberal Scott Morrison for relieving him of the title of worst Australian prime minister of the modern era.

From 2013 to 2015, many Australians carried the thought, “What’s Abbott going to do next?” It was a sense of apprehension about the actions of a PM who thought giving the late Prince Philip a knighthood would be a popular move, and who threatened to “shirt-front” Russian president Vladimir Putin – but didn’t.

Meanwhile, there was the running sideshow of Abbott-isms. Remember the “suppository of wisdom”? And it seemed – incorrectly – that he had dismissed a soldier’s death in Afghanistan with a crude “shit happens”.

Political misery sufferers can seek to join equally unhappy company to reinforce claims of being badly done by.

Abbott’s list of enemies was first outlined in a speech last week to conservatives in Canada – or “Canadia” as he once accidentally but memorably re-labeled the country.

It was an opportunity for Abbott to not only claim victimhood but give it international status. He could rank himself with other leaders whose quest for glory he considered had been violated by public servants and “the establishment”— Donald Trump and Britain’s Boris Johnson.

He wrote: “Boris Johnson had the potential to be a great prime minister but squandered working people’s support on the altar of climate change-driven policy gimmicks, such as mandatory electric cars and heat pumps replacing gas boilers.”

But Tories kicked out Johnson, who had riled voters with his incompetence, hypocrisy and lies – not his climate change policies.

(It’s handy to remember that in 2020 Johnson appointed Abbott as a trade adviser.)

As for the now US president-elect, Abbott had this to say: “In 2016, Donald Trump was first elected on a promise to ‘drain the swamp’ but eventually ‘the swamp’ got him.”

But immediately after this passage he criticised Trump for his ignorance: “As someone who had never been in government and was unfamiliar with Washington, he had instincts rather than well-developed policies or even well-thought-through ideas for how to develop policy.”

Well, that’s OK then.

In another contestable historical outlook, Abbott said: “The Australian centre-right Liberal-National Coalition government that I led into office in 2013 started strongly enough by stopping a wave of illegal immigration by small boat and by repealing a carbon tax and a mining tax.”

“But Senate obstruction sabotaged its first economically reforming budget and internal policy differences then led to a revolving door prime ministership,” Abbott recalled.

“If the clock could be turned back, I would have insisted that all my frontbenchers provide a detailed blueprint of what needed to change in order to make a difference in their portfolio area, and explain how their proposed changes reflected our ‘smaller government, bigger citizen’ political instincts”.

So, like Trump, the basis of his government was instinct, but if he had his time again he would, again like Trump, produce concepts rather than detailed policy. And as Trump has done, Abbott would get right-wing thinktanks to fill his empty policy coffers.

Few prime ministers have been given the job with such enthusiasm, and then proceeded to dissipate that support so quickly.

After two messy years, Abbott’s colleagues wanted him out, and they replaced him with Malcolm Turnbull.

Then the voters in 2019 rejected Abbott in the seat of Warringah, picking independent and former Olympic skier Zali Steggall. It was the first time the Liberals had lost the seat.

Tony Abbott’s problem in office was not that his policies were frustrated by enemies. The problem was they were unpopular policies relying on severity of purpose. More kick and gouge than encourage and comfort.

Despite his claim that the big kids picked on him, Abbott got much of his priorities through: trade pacts with Japan, South Korea and China, for example.

But he rejected the “cult” of climate change and carbon pricing, and instead boosted mining; he launched tough budgets, and asked a royal commission to look at trade union corruption. He vigorously opposed same-sex-marriage, which a majority of Australians – and voters in his own electorate – supported.

It wasn’t a deep state or tyrannical public service that brought him down.

Voters had cheered him into office to become their voice. That support collapsed when voters realised he had stopped listening to anything but the cheers.

One consequence of politicians blaming other elements of government for their own failures is that it can encourage people who want to dismantle those elements, many of which help safeguard democracy. We should all take as a warning Trump’s dangerous threat to the US Justice Department – hostile because it has done its job – as one of those consequences.

So glad i never said any of that, although some of it had occurred to me.

But (and let the record show it) i never said any of it.

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Date: 6/01/2025 20:08:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 2233831
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Ian said:

Ian said:

‘Sabotaged’: Tony Abbott claims his government was ‘thwarted by leftist establishment’

Tony Abbott has blamed “unelected and unaccountable” Canberra officials for his government’s failure, claiming that he was “thwarted by a leftist establishment” and his ministers “captured” bureaucrats.

The former Prime Minister, who was elected in 2013 but was ousted by Malcolm Turnbull in a 2015 leadership spill, has reflected on what he would have done differently if given a second chance.

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Writing in Canadian newspaper National Post on Thursday, Mr Abbott urged Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre — who is tipped to become Canada’s next Prime Minister replacing the deeply unpopular Justin Trudeau at this year’s election — to “avoid the traps my government fell into”.

“Across the Anglosphere, recent conservative governments have tended to be in office but not really in power — either because they lacked an agenda of their own, or because what agenda they had was thwarted by a leftist establishment,” the former PM said.

“Winning an election on a promise to be different, and subsequently having to make excuses when not enough changes, is the trap to be avoided by every centre-right political movement on the verge of victory.”

Mr Abbott said former US President Donald Trump was first elected in 2016 “on a promise to ‘drain the swamp’, but eventually, ‘the swamp’ got him”, while the UK’s Boris Johnson “had the potential to be a great Prime Minister but squandered working people’s support on the altar of climate change-driven policy gimmicks like mandatory electric cars and heat pumps replacing gas boilers”.

Reflecting on his own short-lived Coalition government, Mr Abbott insisted it “started strongly enough by stopping a wave of illegal immigration by small boat and by repealing a carbon tax and a mining tax”.

“But Senate obstruction sabotaged its first, economically reforming budget and internal policy differences then led to a revolving door prime ministership,” he said.

“If the clock could be turned back, I would have insisted that all my frontbenchers provide a detailed blueprint of what needed to change in order to make a difference in their portfolio area, and explain how their proposed changes reflected our ‘smaller government, bigger citizen’ political instincts. I would have insisted that at least a version of their thinking be made public well before an election. That way, the bureaucracy — or at least that section of it still motivated by traditional Westminster ideals of impartial public service — would have had more guidance in policy formation.”

News.com.au thought that was such a valuable piece that it didn’t put it behind a paywall

Malcolm Farr responded..

Sorry Tony, but the only person you have to blame for being booted out of office is yourself

The excuses tumbled over each other as our former prime minister, Tony Abbott, gave his analysis of the failures of conservative governments including, of course, his own. Saboteurs were out to get him, not least such forces as the “tyranny of officialdom”, as the headline on an Abbott blame-shedding article put it in Monday’s The Australian.

But democratically elected members of parliament also done him in, including fellow Liberals.

The pleading for political innocence and victimhood may amuse some who believe Abbott is deeply in debt to fellow Liberal Scott Morrison for relieving him of the title of worst Australian prime minister of the modern era.

From 2013 to 2015, many Australians carried the thought, “What’s Abbott going to do next?” It was a sense of apprehension about the actions of a PM who thought giving the late Prince Philip a knighthood would be a popular move, and who threatened to “shirt-front” Russian president Vladimir Putin – but didn’t.

Meanwhile, there was the running sideshow of Abbott-isms. Remember the “suppository of wisdom”? And it seemed – incorrectly – that he had dismissed a soldier’s death in Afghanistan with a crude “shit happens”.

Political misery sufferers can seek to join equally unhappy company to reinforce claims of being badly done by.

Abbott’s list of enemies was first outlined in a speech last week to conservatives in Canada – or “Canadia” as he once accidentally but memorably re-labeled the country.

It was an opportunity for Abbott to not only claim victimhood but give it international status. He could rank himself with other leaders whose quest for glory he considered had been violated by public servants and “the establishment”— Donald Trump and Britain’s Boris Johnson.

He wrote: “Boris Johnson had the potential to be a great prime minister but squandered working people’s support on the altar of climate change-driven policy gimmicks, such as mandatory electric cars and heat pumps replacing gas boilers.”

But Tories kicked out Johnson, who had riled voters with his incompetence, hypocrisy and lies – not his climate change policies.

(It’s handy to remember that in 2020 Johnson appointed Abbott as a trade adviser.)

As for the now US president-elect, Abbott had this to say: “In 2016, Donald Trump was first elected on a promise to ‘drain the swamp’ but eventually ‘the swamp’ got him.”

But immediately after this passage he criticised Trump for his ignorance: “As someone who had never been in government and was unfamiliar with Washington, he had instincts rather than well-developed policies or even well-thought-through ideas for how to develop policy.”

Well, that’s OK then.

In another contestable historical outlook, Abbott said: “The Australian centre-right Liberal-National Coalition government that I led into office in 2013 started strongly enough by stopping a wave of illegal immigration by small boat and by repealing a carbon tax and a mining tax.”

“But Senate obstruction sabotaged its first economically reforming budget and internal policy differences then led to a revolving door prime ministership,” Abbott recalled.

“If the clock could be turned back, I would have insisted that all my frontbenchers provide a detailed blueprint of what needed to change in order to make a difference in their portfolio area, and explain how their proposed changes reflected our ‘smaller government, bigger citizen’ political instincts”.

So, like Trump, the basis of his government was instinct, but if he had his time again he would, again like Trump, produce concepts rather than detailed policy. And as Trump has done, Abbott would get right-wing thinktanks to fill his empty policy coffers.

Few prime ministers have been given the job with such enthusiasm, and then proceeded to dissipate that support so quickly.

After two messy years, Abbott’s colleagues wanted him out, and they replaced him with Malcolm Turnbull.

Then the voters in 2019 rejected Abbott in the seat of Warringah, picking independent and former Olympic skier Zali Steggall. It was the first time the Liberals had lost the seat.

Tony Abbott’s problem in office was not that his policies were frustrated by enemies. The problem was they were unpopular policies relying on severity of purpose. More kick and gouge than encourage and comfort.

Despite his claim that the big kids picked on him, Abbott got much of his priorities through: trade pacts with Japan, South Korea and China, for example.

But he rejected the “cult” of climate change and carbon pricing, and instead boosted mining; he launched tough budgets, and asked a royal commission to look at trade union corruption. He vigorously opposed same-sex-marriage, which a majority of Australians – and voters in his own electorate – supported.

It wasn’t a deep state or tyrannical public service that brought him down.

Voters had cheered him into office to become their voice. That support collapsed when voters realised he had stopped listening to anything but the cheers.

One consequence of politicians blaming other elements of government for their own failures is that it can encourage people who want to dismantle those elements, many of which help safeguard democracy. We should all take as a warning Trump’s dangerous threat to the US Justice Department – hostile because it has done its job – as one of those consequences.

So glad i never said any of that, although some of it had occurred to me.

But (and let the record show it) i never said any of it.

I did at least read it.

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Date: 6/01/2025 21:13:59
From: dv
ID: 2233849
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

They gave Abbott so many chances that it became a joke

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Date: 6/01/2025 21:53:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2233867
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

Malcolm Farr responded..

Sorry Tony, but the only person you have to blame for being booted out of office is yourself

The excuses tumbled over each other as our former prime minister, Tony Abbott, gave his analysis of the failures of conservative governments including, of course, his own. Saboteurs were out to get him, not least such forces as the “tyranny of officialdom”, as the headline on an Abbott blame-shedding article put it in Monday’s The Australian.

But democratically elected members of parliament also done him in, including fellow Liberals.

The pleading for political innocence and victimhood may amuse some who believe Abbott is deeply in debt to fellow Liberal Scott Morrison for relieving him of the title of worst Australian prime minister of the modern era.

From 2013 to 2015, many Australians carried the thought, “What’s Abbott going to do next?” It was a sense of apprehension about the actions of a PM who thought giving the late Prince Philip a knighthood would be a popular move, and who threatened to “shirt-front” Russian president Vladimir Putin – but didn’t.

Meanwhile, there was the running sideshow of Abbott-isms. Remember the “suppository of wisdom”? And it seemed – incorrectly – that he had dismissed a soldier’s death in Afghanistan with a crude “shit happens”.

Political misery sufferers can seek to join equally unhappy company to reinforce claims of being badly done by.

Abbott’s list of enemies was first outlined in a speech last week to conservatives in Canada – or “Canadia” as he once accidentally but memorably re-labeled the country.

It was an opportunity for Abbott to not only claim victimhood but give it international status. He could rank himself with other leaders whose quest for glory he considered had been violated by public servants and “the establishment”— Donald Trump and Britain’s Boris Johnson.

He wrote: “Boris Johnson had the potential to be a great prime minister but squandered working people’s support on the altar of climate change-driven policy gimmicks, such as mandatory electric cars and heat pumps replacing gas boilers.”

But Tories kicked out Johnson, who had riled voters with his incompetence, hypocrisy and lies – not his climate change policies.

(It’s handy to remember that in 2020 Johnson appointed Abbott as a trade adviser.)

As for the now US president-elect, Abbott had this to say: “In 2016, Donald Trump was first elected on a promise to ‘drain the swamp’ but eventually ‘the swamp’ got him.”

But immediately after this passage he criticised Trump for his ignorance: “As someone who had never been in government and was unfamiliar with Washington, he had instincts rather than well-developed policies or even well-thought-through ideas for how to develop policy.”

Well, that’s OK then.

In another contestable historical outlook, Abbott said: “The Australian centre-right Liberal-National Coalition government that I led into office in 2013 started strongly enough by stopping a wave of illegal immigration by small boat and by repealing a carbon tax and a mining tax.”

“But Senate obstruction sabotaged its first economically reforming budget and internal policy differences then led to a revolving door prime ministership,” Abbott recalled.

“If the clock could be turned back, I would have insisted that all my frontbenchers provide a detailed blueprint of what needed to change in order to make a difference in their portfolio area, and explain how their proposed changes reflected our ‘smaller government, bigger citizen’ political instincts”.

So, like Trump, the basis of his government was instinct, but if he had his time again he would, again like Trump, produce concepts rather than detailed policy. And as Trump has done, Abbott would get right-wing thinktanks to fill his empty policy coffers.

Few prime ministers have been given the job with such enthusiasm, and then proceeded to dissipate that support so quickly.

After two messy years, Abbott’s colleagues wanted him out, and they replaced him with Malcolm Turnbull.

Then the voters in 2019 rejected Abbott in the seat of Warringah, picking independent and former Olympic skier Zali Steggall. It was the first time the Liberals had lost the seat.

Tony Abbott’s problem in office was not that his policies were frustrated by enemies. The problem was they were unpopular policies relying on severity of purpose. More kick and gouge than encourage and comfort.

Despite his claim that the big kids picked on him, Abbott got much of his priorities through: trade pacts with Japan, South Korea and China, for example.

But he rejected the “cult” of climate change and carbon pricing, and instead boosted mining; he launched tough budgets, and asked a royal commission to look at trade union corruption. He vigorously opposed same-sex-marriage, which a majority of Australians – and voters in his own electorate – supported.

It wasn’t a deep state or tyrannical public service that brought him down.

Voters had cheered him into office to become their voice. That support collapsed when voters realised he had stopped listening to anything but the cheers.

One consequence of politicians blaming other elements of government for their own failures is that it can encourage people who want to dismantle those elements, many of which help safeguard democracy. We should all take as a warning Trump’s dangerous threat to the US Justice Department – hostile because it has done its job – as one of those consequences.

So glad i never said any of that, although some of it had occurred to me.

But (and let the record show it) i never said any of it.

I did at least read it.

so it’s all the red scare shit again

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Date: 6/01/2025 21:58:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2233870
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

so it’s all the red scare shit again

I dare not comment, for fear of waking the Kraken.

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Date: 7/01/2025 19:37:22
From: dv
ID: 2234113
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Opinion
Dutton’s nuclear plan will never happen, but it’s still a gem of a policy

Christopher Pyne
Consultant and former minister
January 7, 2025 — 5.00am
Save

James Fenimore Cooper wrote The Last of the Mohicans in 1826. It was made into an incredible film starring the inestimable Daniel Day Lewis in 1992. It tells the story of the last stand of a fictional character, the last of his tribe, against insurmountable odds.

If advocates for new coal-fired power stations were Mohicans, then North Queensland Nationals senator Matt Canavan would be the last of the Mohicans. While I don’t agree with Canavan’s opposition to the move to net zero emissions by 2050, nor his advocacy for new coal-fired power stations, I’ve got to hand it to him – he never gives up!

But his lone stand brings into stark relief an achievement for which Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has attracted little praise – the acceptance by both the Liberal and National parties that indeed the climate is changing, that the human race and its emissions have contributed to this change, and something needs to be done about it.

While this might sound rather obvious, let me tell you, from the end of the Howard government in 2007 (remember, prime minister John Howard had set in train the bones of an emissions trading scheme) to the announcement by the Coalition party room that it would embrace nuclear power in early 2024, a number of Liberal Party leaders fell into the ravine brought about by the elements of the Liberal and National party rooms who would not countenance climate change mitigation policies.

This ravine could have swallowed Dutton, too. Thanks to nuclear power, it won’t.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-nuclear-plan-will-never-happen-but-it-s-still-a-gem-of-a-policy-20250102-p5l1qv.html

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Date: 7/01/2025 19:52:29
From: Michael V
ID: 2234117
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Opinion
Dutton’s nuclear plan will never happen, but it’s still a gem of a policy

Christopher Pyne
Consultant and former minister
January 7, 2025 — 5.00am
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James Fenimore Cooper wrote The Last of the Mohicans in 1826. It was made into an incredible film starring the inestimable Daniel Day Lewis in 1992. It tells the story of the last stand of a fictional character, the last of his tribe, against insurmountable odds.

If advocates for new coal-fired power stations were Mohicans, then North Queensland Nationals senator Matt Canavan would be the last of the Mohicans. While I don’t agree with Canavan’s opposition to the move to net zero emissions by 2050, nor his advocacy for new coal-fired power stations, I’ve got to hand it to him – he never gives up!

But his lone stand brings into stark relief an achievement for which Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has attracted little praise – the acceptance by both the Liberal and National parties that indeed the climate is changing, that the human race and its emissions have contributed to this change, and something needs to be done about it.

While this might sound rather obvious, let me tell you, from the end of the Howard government in 2007 (remember, prime minister John Howard had set in train the bones of an emissions trading scheme) to the announcement by the Coalition party room that it would embrace nuclear power in early 2024, a number of Liberal Party leaders fell into the ravine brought about by the elements of the Liberal and National party rooms who would not countenance climate change mitigation policies.

This ravine could have swallowed Dutton, too. Thanks to nuclear power, it won’t.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-nuclear-plan-will-never-happen-but-it-s-still-a-gem-of-a-policy-20250102-p5l1qv.html

I don’t think it is a gem of a policy. It’s a hoodwink.

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Date: 7/01/2025 19:53:44
From: Ian
ID: 2234118
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Opinion
Dutton’s nuclear plan will never happen, but it’s still a gem of a policy

Christopher Pyne
Consultant and former minister
January 7, 2025 — 5.00am
Save

James Fenimore Cooper wrote The Last of the Mohicans in 1826. It was made into an incredible film starring the inestimable Daniel Day Lewis in 1992. It tells the story of the last stand of a fictional character, the last of his tribe, against insurmountable odds.

If advocates for new coal-fired power stations were Mohicans, then North Queensland Nationals senator Matt Canavan would be the last of the Mohicans. While I don’t agree with Canavan’s opposition to the move to net zero emissions by 2050, nor his advocacy for new coal-fired power stations, I’ve got to hand it to him – he never gives up!

But his lone stand brings into stark relief an achievement for which Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has attracted little praise – the acceptance by both the Liberal and National parties that indeed the climate is changing, that the human race and its emissions have contributed to this change, and something needs to be done about it.

While this might sound rather obvious, let me tell you, from the end of the Howard government in 2007 (remember, prime minister John Howard had set in train the bones of an emissions trading scheme) to the announcement by the Coalition party room that it would embrace nuclear power in early 2024, a number of Liberal Party leaders fell into the ravine brought about by the elements of the Liberal and National party rooms who would not countenance climate change mitigation policies.

This ravine could have swallowed Dutton, too. Thanks to nuclear power, it won’t.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-nuclear-plan-will-never-happen-but-it-s-still-a-gem-of-a-policy-20250102-p5l1qv.html

Fkn pathetic

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Date: 7/01/2025 20:36:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2234126
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


dv said:

Opinion
Dutton’s nuclear plan will never happen, but it’s still a gem of a policy

Christopher Pyne
Consultant and former minister
January 7, 2025 — 5.00am
Save

James Fenimore Cooper wrote The Last of the Mohicans in 1826. It was made into an incredible film starring the inestimable Daniel Day Lewis in 1992. It tells the story of the last stand of a fictional character, the last of his tribe, against insurmountable odds.

If advocates for new coal-fired power stations were Mohicans, then North Queensland Nationals senator Matt Canavan would be the last of the Mohicans. While I don’t agree with Canavan’s opposition to the move to net zero emissions by 2050, nor his advocacy for new coal-fired power stations, I’ve got to hand it to him – he never gives up!

But his lone stand brings into stark relief an achievement for which Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has attracted little praise – the acceptance by both the Liberal and National parties that indeed the climate is changing, that the human race and its emissions have contributed to this change, and something needs to be done about it.

While this might sound rather obvious, let me tell you, from the end of the Howard government in 2007 (remember, prime minister John Howard had set in train the bones of an emissions trading scheme) to the announcement by the Coalition party room that it would embrace nuclear power in early 2024, a number of Liberal Party leaders fell into the ravine brought about by the elements of the Liberal and National party rooms who would not countenance climate change mitigation policies.

This ravine could have swallowed Dutton, too. Thanks to nuclear power, it won’t.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-nuclear-plan-will-never-happen-but-it-s-still-a-gem-of-a-policy-20250102-p5l1qv.html

Fkn pathetic

+1

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Date: 7/01/2025 21:08:40
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2234142
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Opinion
Dutton’s nuclear plan will never happen, but it’s still a gem of a policy

Christopher Pyne
Consultant and former minister
January 7, 2025 — 5.00am
Save

James Fenimore Cooper wrote The Last of the Mohicans in 1826. It was made into an incredible film starring the inestimable Daniel Day Lewis in 1992. It tells the story of the last stand of a fictional character, the last of his tribe, against insurmountable odds.

If advocates for new coal-fired power stations were Mohicans, then North Queensland Nationals senator Matt Canavan would be the last of the Mohicans. While I don’t agree with Canavan’s opposition to the move to net zero emissions by 2050, nor his advocacy for new coal-fired power stations, I’ve got to hand it to him – he never gives up!

But his lone stand brings into stark relief an achievement for which Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has attracted little praise – the acceptance by both the Liberal and National parties that indeed the climate is changing, that the human race and its emissions have contributed to this change, and something needs to be done about it.

While this might sound rather obvious, let me tell you, from the end of the Howard government in 2007 (remember, prime minister John Howard had set in train the bones of an emissions trading scheme) to the announcement by the Coalition party room that it would embrace nuclear power in early 2024, a number of Liberal Party leaders fell into the ravine brought about by the elements of the Liberal and National party rooms who would not countenance climate change mitigation policies.

This ravine could have swallowed Dutton, too. Thanks to nuclear power, it won’t.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-nuclear-plan-will-never-happen-but-it-s-still-a-gem-of-a-policy-20250102-p5l1qv.html

All I can say about that is:

hmmmm.

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Date: 8/01/2025 13:35:16
From: dv
ID: 2234334
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I don’t think it is at all likely that Dutton will lose his seat. His standing with the voting public has improved greatly over the last three years. Immediately after the last election he was polling at 25% in the “preferred PM”: he is now at 39%.
I’m not expecting the Libs to win this one but I do think they’ll pick up at least ten seats.

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Date: 8/01/2025 13:41:51
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2234336
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


I don’t think it is at all likely that Dutton will lose his seat. His standing with the voting public has improved greatly over the last three years. Immediately after the last election he was polling at 25% in the “preferred PM”: he is now at 39%.
I’m not expecting the Libs to win this one but I do think they’ll pick up at least ten seats.

bloody doomsayer!!!

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Date: 8/01/2025 13:45:27
From: party_pants
ID: 2234337
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


I don’t think it is at all likely that Dutton will lose his seat. His standing with the voting public has improved greatly over the last three years. Immediately after the last election he was polling at 25% in the “preferred PM”: he is now at 39%.
I’m not expecting the Libs to win this one but I do think they’ll pick up at least ten seats.

I really don’t think the preferred PM poll is worth anything. Very often the LOTO lags behind right up until election day, even if the party goes on to win. It does not seem to be a handicap to winning an election.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:03:33
From: Ian
ID: 2234340
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


I don’t think it is at all likely that Dutton will lose his seat. His standing with the voting public has improved greatly over the last three years. Immediately after the last election he was polling at 25% in the “preferred PM”: he is now at 39%.
I’m not expecting the Libs to win this one but I do think they’ll pick up at least ten seats.

I thought you’d be giving psephology away after the US election.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:05:09
From: Ian
ID: 2234341
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


dv said:

I don’t think it is at all likely that Dutton will lose his seat. His standing with the voting public has improved greatly over the last three years. Immediately after the last election he was polling at 25% in the “preferred PM”: he is now at 39%.
I’m not expecting the Libs to win this one but I do think they’ll pick up at least ten seats.

I thought you’d be giving psephology away after the US election.

..Big Nose.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:07:09
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2234342
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


dv said:

I don’t think it is at all likely that Dutton will lose his seat. His standing with the voting public has improved greatly over the last three years. Immediately after the last election he was polling at 25% in the “preferred PM”: he is now at 39%.
I’m not expecting the Libs to win this one but I do think they’ll pick up at least ten seats.

I really don’t think the preferred PM poll is worth anything. Very often the LOTO lags behind right up until election day, even if the party goes on to win. It does not seem to be a handicap to winning an election.

It’s ‘the Alan Jones strategy’.

The polls (or Jones) are/were seen by politicians as relevant and influential because the people who run/ran the scam (poll companies/Jones) tell/told the politicians that they’re relevant and influential.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:09:02
From: Michael V
ID: 2234345
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


dv said:

I don’t think it is at all likely that Dutton will lose his seat. His standing with the voting public has improved greatly over the last three years. Immediately after the last election he was polling at 25% in the “preferred PM”: he is now at 39%.
I’m not expecting the Libs to win this one but I do think they’ll pick up at least ten seats.

I thought you’d be giving psephology away after the US election.

Ha!

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:12:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2234346
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Speaking of Alan Jones…

…does anyone know where he is?

He was all over the news there, for a minute, but nary a word lately.

Is it possible that he’s been taught sufficient of a lesson, and it’s all been made to go away (as long as he behaves)?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:23:51
From: party_pants
ID: 2234349
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Speaking of Alan Jones…

…does anyone know where he is?

He was all over the news there, for a minute, but nary a word lately.

Is it possible that he’s been taught sufficient of a lesson, and it’s all been made to go away (as long as he behaves)?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

Quite simple, he has been charged so he (nor others) is not allowed to say much in public which might have the effect of tainting the opinion of a potential jury. You can go to jail for contempt of court for attempting to sway public opinion before the trial.

There is a long-standing legal tradition that juries should decide the case on its own merits and not carry any pre-conceived ideas into the trial. Or at least to keep such things to a minimum.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:26:15
From: Cymek
ID: 2234350
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Speaking of Alan Jones…

…does anyone know where he is?

He was all over the news there, for a minute, but nary a word lately.

Is it possible that he’s been taught sufficient of a lesson, and it’s all been made to go away (as long as he behaves)?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

I think the charges are serious enough it goes up to District Court.

If it works the same way as WA he appears in Magistrates Court.
I assume he pleads not guilty and it goes to trial.
They work out how long a trial may take and allocate time for it.
This is probably mid year.
If found guilty he would be remanded off for sentencing
Possible in custody but more likely perhaps on home detention.
The courts unlike the US courts would treat him as just another child sex offender.
The courts may order specialists reports which pushes the sentencing date further out.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:28:25
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2234352
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

Or at least to keep such things to a minimum.

…with that minimum being decided upon by Rupert Murdoch?

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:29:14
From: Cymek
ID: 2234353
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:


captain_spalding said:

Speaking of Alan Jones…

…does anyone know where he is?

He was all over the news there, for a minute, but nary a word lately.

Is it possible that he’s been taught sufficient of a lesson, and it’s all been made to go away (as long as he behaves)?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

I think the charges are serious enough it goes up to District Court.

If it works the same way as WA he appears in Magistrates Court.
I assume he pleads not guilty and it goes to trial.
They work out how long a trial may take and allocate time for it.
This is probably mid year.
If found guilty he would be remanded off for sentencing
Possible in custody but more likely perhaps on home detention.
The courts unlike the US courts would treat him as just another child sex offender.
The courts may order specialists reports which pushes the sentencing date further out.

Pleading not guilty also means he doesn’t get a sentence reduction if found guilty.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:34:00
From: Ian
ID: 2234355
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:


Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Speaking of Alan Jones…

…does anyone know where he is?

He was all over the news there, for a minute, but nary a word lately.

Is it possible that he’s been taught sufficient of a lesson, and it’s all been made to go away (as long as he behaves)?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

I think the charges are serious enough it goes up to District Court.

If it works the same way as WA he appears in Magistrates Court.
I assume he pleads not guilty and it goes to trial.
They work out how long a trial may take and allocate time for it.
This is probably mid year.
If found guilty he would be remanded off for sentencing
Possible in custody but more likely perhaps on home detention.
The courts unlike the US courts would treat him as just another child sex offender.
The courts may order specialists reports which pushes the sentencing date further out.

Pleading not guilty also means he doesn’t get a sentence reduction if found guilty.

Reckon he’s too well connected to do any jail time unfortunately.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:38:01
From: party_pants
ID: 2234356
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Or at least to keep such things to a minimum.

…with that minimum being decided upon by Rupert Murdoch?

No. By the courts.

It is impossible to find any jury who have never heard of Alan Jones, or any other celebrity defendant. But efforts should and will be made to keep the details of the case, or internet sleuths discussing the ins and outs of it, out of the public domain. We don’t want jurors turning up to court who have already watched a hundred hours of internet videos discussing the case.

Hence the pre-trial radio silence.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:40:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2234357
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Or at least to keep such things to a minimum.

…with that minimum being decided upon by Rupert Murdoch?

No. By the courts.

It is impossible to find any jury who have never heard of Alan Jones, or any other celebrity defendant. But efforts should and will be made to keep the details of the case, or internet sleuths discussing the ins and outs of it, out of the public domain. We don’t want jurors turning up to court who have already watched a hundred hours of internet videos discussing the case.

Hence the pre-trial radio silence.

I do suggest that, if Rupert decided that his interests trumped those of the defendant, his organs of the media might well adopt an attitude of noble defiance to tyrannical censorship.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:42:59
From: party_pants
ID: 2234359
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

…with that minimum being decided upon by Rupert Murdoch?

No. By the courts.

It is impossible to find any jury who have never heard of Alan Jones, or any other celebrity defendant. But efforts should and will be made to keep the details of the case, or internet sleuths discussing the ins and outs of it, out of the public domain. We don’t want jurors turning up to court who have already watched a hundred hours of internet videos discussing the case.

Hence the pre-trial radio silence.

I do suggest that, if Rupert decided that his interests trumped those of the defendant, his organs of the media might well adopt an attitude of noble defiance to tyrannical censorship.

I don’t think the journos and editors who work for Rupert want to personally risk going to jail for him.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:43:10
From: Michael V
ID: 2234360
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Speaking of Alan Jones…

…does anyone know where he is?

He was all over the news there, for a minute, but nary a word lately.

Is it possible that he’s been taught sufficient of a lesson, and it’s all been made to go away (as long as he behaves)?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

This, I’d guess.

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Date: 8/01/2025 14:46:05
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2234364
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Speaking of Alan Jones…

…does anyone know where he is?

He was all over the news there, for a minute, but nary a word lately.

Is it possible that he’s been taught sufficient of a lesson, and it’s all been made to go away (as long as he behaves)?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

This, I’d guess.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.

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Date: 8/01/2025 15:29:51
From: Cymek
ID: 2234371
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Speaking of Alan Jones…

…does anyone know where he is?

He was all over the news there, for a minute, but nary a word lately.

Is it possible that he’s been taught sufficient of a lesson, and it’s all been made to go away (as long as he behaves)?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

This, I’d guess.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.

They could opt for a Judge only trial I think

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Date: 8/01/2025 15:46:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2234376
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Speaking of Alan Jones…

…does anyone know where he is?

He was all over the news there, for a minute, but nary a word lately.

Is it possible that he’s been taught sufficient of a lesson, and it’s all been made to go away (as long as he behaves)?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

This, I’d guess.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.

The parrot (to use a sobriquet) doesn’t always make sense, but he can talk good like.

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Date: 8/01/2025 15:52:37
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2234379
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Or is it just the glacial pace of the legal system?

This, I’d guess.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.

The parrot (to use a sobriquet) doesn’t always make sense, but he can talk good like.

beautiful plumage to boot. pity it is fucking dead!

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Date: 8/01/2025 15:58:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2234382
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bogsnorkler said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The wheels of justice grind slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.

The parrot (to use a sobriquet) doesn’t always make sense, but he can talk good like.

beautiful plumage to boot. pity it is fucking dead!

It wouldn’t zoom if you put two hundred and forty thousand volts throug it mate.

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Date: 8/01/2025 16:07:15
From: Ian
ID: 2234386
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Echoes of Trumpianism’ already in Australia through opposition: Greens

The Greens have claimed “echoes of Trumpianism” are already permeating Australian politics through the opposition party’s rhetoric and policies, as speculation over when the federal election will be held continues.

The party’s acting leader, Sarah Hanson-Young, warned this afternoon big tech companies, including X and Meta, were “sucking up” to the incoming US president-elect, Donald Trump, and could boost their preferred political parties over others in an election campaign.

Overnight, Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, announced its decision to ditch its independent fact-checkers. Hanson-Young labelled the change a “dangerous move” and “damaging for democracy”.

The South Australian senator has also taken aim at X’s owner, Elon Musk, who has recently come under fire for intervening in UK and US politics. On Wednesday, Hanson-Young said she predicted Musk would “platform Peter Dutton and the Liberal Party above others in the next election” because their policies echoed some of Trump’s own. She said:

“We’ve now got a situation where we’ve got two big tech billionaires, Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, thinking that they should run the world, that they should dictate what is said, who says it, how loud it is said, and whether it’s truthful … Echoes of Trumpianism are already coming through from the Dutton opposition party and in their election policies.”

Garud

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Date: 8/01/2025 16:21:06
From: party_pants
ID: 2234392
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


Echoes of Trumpianism’ already in Australia through opposition: Greens

The Greens have claimed “echoes of Trumpianism” are already permeating Australian politics through the opposition party’s rhetoric and policies, as speculation over when the federal election will be held continues.

The party’s acting leader, Sarah Hanson-Young, warned this afternoon big tech companies, including X and Meta, were “sucking up” to the incoming US president-elect, Donald Trump, and could boost their preferred political parties over others in an election campaign.

Overnight, Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, announced its decision to ditch its independent fact-checkers. Hanson-Young labelled the change a “dangerous move” and “damaging for democracy”.

The South Australian senator has also taken aim at X’s owner, Elon Musk, who has recently come under fire for intervening in UK and US politics. On Wednesday, Hanson-Young said she predicted Musk would “platform Peter Dutton and the Liberal Party above others in the next election” because their policies echoed some of Trump’s own. She said:

“We’ve now got a situation where we’ve got two big tech billionaires, Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, thinking that they should run the world, that they should dictate what is said, who says it, how loud it is said, and whether it’s truthful … Echoes of Trumpianism are already coming through from the Dutton opposition party and in their election policies.”

Garud

Dutton is not cray-cray enough for them. The interference so far in the UK (which isn’t due an election for another 4 & half years) has been to promote Tommy Robinson to take over the leadership of Reform UK, telling Farage he should resign. Robinson is currently in jail, and the Reform Party is trying to distance itself from him.

I don’t know if Australia has any party or “politicians” that fit the right kind of crazy.

Bear in mind that you can’t copy & paste “America First” MAGA stuff into Australia without coming over as being a traitor. We are not Americans so why should we be interested in “some other country first”? Having a real Nationalist Australia movement would inevitably be hostile to the US.

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Date: 8/01/2025 16:25:19
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2234395
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The parrot (to use a sobriquet) doesn’t always make sense, but he can talk good like.

beautiful plumage to boot. pity it is fucking dead!

It wouldn’t zoom if you put two hundred and forty thousand volts throug it mate.

across it! amps go through, volts go across.

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Date: 8/01/2025 16:41:12
From: Ian
ID: 2234412
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


Ian said:

Echoes of Trumpianism’ already in Australia through opposition: Greens

The Greens have claimed “echoes of Trumpianism” are already permeating Australian politics through the opposition party’s rhetoric and policies, as speculation over when the federal election will be held continues.

The party’s acting leader, Sarah Hanson-Young, warned this afternoon big tech companies, including X and Meta, were “sucking up” to the incoming US president-elect, Donald Trump, and could boost their preferred political parties over others in an election campaign.

Overnight, Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, announced its decision to ditch its independent fact-checkers. Hanson-Young labelled the change a “dangerous move” and “damaging for democracy”.

The South Australian senator has also taken aim at X’s owner, Elon Musk, who has recently come under fire for intervening in UK and US politics. On Wednesday, Hanson-Young said she predicted Musk would “platform Peter Dutton and the Liberal Party above others in the next election” because their policies echoed some of Trump’s own. She said:

“We’ve now got a situation where we’ve got two big tech billionaires, Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, thinking that they should run the world, that they should dictate what is said, who says it, how loud it is said, and whether it’s truthful … Echoes of Trumpianism are already coming through from the Dutton opposition party and in their election policies.”

Garud

Dutton is not cray-cray enough for them. The interference so far in the UK (which isn’t due an election for another 4 & half years) has been to promote Tommy Robinson to take over the leadership of Reform UK, telling Farage he should resign. Robinson is currently in jail, and the Reform Party is trying to distance itself from him.

I don’t know if Australia has any party or “politicians” that fit the right kind of crazy.

Bear in mind that you can’t copy & paste “America First” MAGA stuff into Australia without coming over as being a traitor. We are not Americans so why should we be interested in “some other country first”? Having a real Nationalist Australia movement would inevitably be hostile to the US.

You’re missing the point.

Dutton is not stupid. He knows that he is in a desperate race for his political life.. probably one and only chance for the top job. He’ll use whatever underhanded tricks he can to win.

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Date: 8/01/2025 16:41:16
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2234413
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ABC Reporter.
Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg declared a “new era” for his company this week, ditching fact checkers and accusing foreign governments of “going after American companies and pushing to censor more” in a bid to ingratiate himself with the incoming president.

Can we fact check that.
Was it in fact to “ingratiate himself with the incoming president”

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Date: 8/01/2025 16:59:07
From: party_pants
ID: 2234422
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


party_pants said:

Ian said:

Echoes of Trumpianism’ already in Australia through opposition: Greens

The Greens have claimed “echoes of Trumpianism” are already permeating Australian politics through the opposition party’s rhetoric and policies, as speculation over when the federal election will be held continues.

The party’s acting leader, Sarah Hanson-Young, warned this afternoon big tech companies, including X and Meta, were “sucking up” to the incoming US president-elect, Donald Trump, and could boost their preferred political parties over others in an election campaign.

Overnight, Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, announced its decision to ditch its independent fact-checkers. Hanson-Young labelled the change a “dangerous move” and “damaging for democracy”.

The South Australian senator has also taken aim at X’s owner, Elon Musk, who has recently come under fire for intervening in UK and US politics. On Wednesday, Hanson-Young said she predicted Musk would “platform Peter Dutton and the Liberal Party above others in the next election” because their policies echoed some of Trump’s own. She said:

“We’ve now got a situation where we’ve got two big tech billionaires, Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, thinking that they should run the world, that they should dictate what is said, who says it, how loud it is said, and whether it’s truthful … Echoes of Trumpianism are already coming through from the Dutton opposition party and in their election policies.”

Garud

Dutton is not cray-cray enough for them. The interference so far in the UK (which isn’t due an election for another 4 & half years) has been to promote Tommy Robinson to take over the leadership of Reform UK, telling Farage he should resign. Robinson is currently in jail, and the Reform Party is trying to distance itself from him.

I don’t know if Australia has any party or “politicians” that fit the right kind of crazy.

Bear in mind that you can’t copy & paste “America First” MAGA stuff into Australia without coming over as being a traitor. We are not Americans so why should we be interested in “some other country first”? Having a real Nationalist Australia movement would inevitably be hostile to the US.

You’re missing the point.

Dutton is not stupid. He knows that he is in a desperate race for his political life.. probably one and only chance for the top job. He’ll use whatever underhanded tricks he can to win.

Missing the point is my thing.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:01:04
From: Cymek
ID: 2234424
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


ABC Reporter.
Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg declared a “new era” for his company this week, ditching fact checkers and accusing foreign governments of “going after American companies and pushing to censor more” in a bid to ingratiate himself with the incoming president.

Can we fact check that.
Was it in fact to “ingratiate himself with the incoming president”

I assume its too much effort, costs too much and mostly importantly they don’t care as these social medial platform owners are unlikeable douche bags.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:03:59
From: dv
ID: 2234426
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

I really don’t think the preferred PM poll is worth anything.

It’s meaningful in terms of prediction how the party leader will perform in their own electorate, but not of the overall election.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:04:06
From: party_pants
ID: 2234427
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


ABC Reporter.
Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg declared a “new era” for his company this week, ditching fact checkers and accusing foreign governments of “going after American companies and pushing to censor more” in a bid to ingratiate himself with the incoming president.

Can we fact check that.
Was it in fact to “ingratiate himself with the incoming president”

I think it is all the more reason to ban kids from using it.

Maybe we’ll see a separation of platforms between countries and not a big open free-for-all across the board.

Maybe a Feral Govt owned social media platform for Aus might be launched.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:04:24
From: dv
ID: 2234429
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


dv said:

I don’t think it is at all likely that Dutton will lose his seat. His standing with the voting public has improved greatly over the last three years. Immediately after the last election he was polling at 25% in the “preferred PM”: he is now at 39%.
I’m not expecting the Libs to win this one but I do think they’ll pick up at least ten seats.

I thought you’d be giving psephology away after the US election.

Why? The US election results were as I predicted and were in line with polls.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:04:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234431
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


party_pants said:

I really don’t think the preferred PM poll is worth anything.

It’s meaningful in terms of prediction how the party leader will perform in their own electorate, but not of the overall election.

team sports

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:07:49
From: furious
ID: 2234433
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ABC Reporter.
Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg declared a “new era” for his company this week, ditching fact checkers and accusing foreign governments of “going after American companies and pushing to censor more” in a bid to ingratiate himself with the incoming president.

Can we fact check that.
Was it in fact to “ingratiate himself with the incoming president”

I think it is all the more reason to ban kids from using it.

Maybe we’ll see a separation of platforms between countries and not a big open free-for-all across the board.

Maybe a Feral Govt owned social media platform for Aus might be launched.

Ha! And they couldn’t be bothered to moderate one tiny science forum, so shut it down…

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:09:33
From: Michael V
ID: 2234436
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ABC Reporter.
Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg declared a “new era” for his company this week, ditching fact checkers and accusing foreign governments of “going after American companies and pushing to censor more” in a bid to ingratiate himself with the incoming president.

Can we fact check that.
Was it in fact to “ingratiate himself with the incoming president”

I think it is all the more reason to ban kids from using it.

Maybe we’ll see a separation of platforms between countries and not a big open free-for-all across the board.

Maybe a Feral Govt owned social media platform for Aus might be launched.

I doubt that.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:10:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234439
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

Ian said:

party_pants said:

Dutton is not cray-cray enough for them. The interference so far in the UK (which isn’t due an election for another 4 & half years) has been to promote Tommy Robinson to take over the leadership of Reform UK, telling Farage he should resign. Robinson is currently in jail, and the Reform Party is trying to distance itself from him.

I don’t know if Australia has any party or “politicians” that fit the right kind of crazy.

Bear in mind that you can’t copy & paste “America First” MAGA stuff into Australia without coming over as being a traitor. We are not Americans so why should we be interested in “some other country first”? Having a real Nationalist Australia movement would inevitably be hostile to the US.

You’re missing the point.

Dutton is not stupid. He knows that he is in a desperate race for his political life.. probably one and only chance for the top job. He’ll use whatever underhanded tricks he can to win.

Missing the point is my thing.

right, we remember when Japan were fascist enemies of fascist Germany and so forth

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:11:40
From: party_pants
ID: 2234442
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

furious said:


party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ABC Reporter.
Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg declared a “new era” for his company this week, ditching fact checkers and accusing foreign governments of “going after American companies and pushing to censor more” in a bid to ingratiate himself with the incoming president.

Can we fact check that.
Was it in fact to “ingratiate himself with the incoming president”

I think it is all the more reason to ban kids from using it.

Maybe we’ll see a separation of platforms between countries and not a big open free-for-all across the board.

Maybe a Feral Govt owned social media platform for Aus might be launched.

Ha! And they couldn’t be bothered to moderate one tiny science forum, so shut it down…

If all the politicians and advisers and pundits were forced to close their foreign accounts with Meta and X etc and use the local platform instead it might work.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:12:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234443
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:

Echoes of Trumpianism’ already in Australia through opposition: Greens

The Greens have claimed “echoes of Trumpianism” are already permeating Australian politics through the opposition party’s rhetoric and policies, as speculation over when the federal election will be held continues.

oh good only took 8 years for them to catch up this should sort things

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:15:28
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2234445
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


furious said:

party_pants said:

I think it is all the more reason to ban kids from using it.

Maybe we’ll see a separation of platforms between countries and not a big open free-for-all across the board.

Maybe a Feral Govt owned social media platform for Aus might be launched.

Ha! And they couldn’t be bothered to moderate one tiny science forum, so shut it down…

If all the politicians and advisers and pundits were forced to close their foreign accounts with Meta and X etc and use the local platform instead it might work.

Next they’ll be banning men pretending to be women ‘performing’ for little children.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:19:28
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2234448
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

furious said:


party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ABC Reporter.
Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg declared a “new era” for his company this week, ditching fact checkers and accusing foreign governments of “going after American companies and pushing to censor more” in a bid to ingratiate himself with the incoming president.

Can we fact check that.
Was it in fact to “ingratiate himself with the incoming president”

I think it is all the more reason to ban kids from using it.

Maybe we’ll see a separation of platforms between countries and not a big open free-for-all across the board.

Maybe a Feral Govt owned social media platform for Aus might be launched.

Ha! And they couldn’t be bothered to moderate one tiny science forum, so shut it down…

FTL!!!

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:20:08
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2234449
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


party_pants said:

furious said:

Ha! And they couldn’t be bothered to moderate one tiny science forum, so shut it down…

If all the politicians and advisers and pundits were forced to close their foreign accounts with Meta and X etc and use the local platform instead it might work.

Next they’ll be banning men pretending to be women ‘performing’ for little children.

then they be banning pedophiles pretending to be priests.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:23:13
From: Ian
ID: 2234451
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Ian said:

dv said:

I don’t think it is at all likely that Dutton will lose his seat. His standing with the voting public has improved greatly over the last three years. Immediately after the last election he was polling at 25% in the “preferred PM”: he is now at 39%.
I’m not expecting the Libs to win this one but I do think they’ll pick up at least ten seats.

I thought you’d be giving psephology away after the US election.

Why? The US election results were as I predicted and were in line with polls.

I seem to remember* a prediction of Trump winning but it being a close run thing, not a runaway win for Dipshit Don.

* I wasn’t taking notes…

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:24:48
From: dv
ID: 2234452
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


dv said:

Ian said:

I thought you’d be giving psephology away after the US election.

Why? The US election results were as I predicted and were in line with polls.

I seem to remember* a prediction of Trump winning but it being a close run thing, not a runaway win for Dipshit Don.

* I wasn’t taking notes…

Well I’m sure you will next time.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:27:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2234453
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


dv said:

Ian said:

I thought you’d be giving psephology away after the US election.

Why? The US election results were as I predicted and were in line with polls.

I seem to remember* a prediction of Trump winning but it being a close run thing, not a runaway win for Dipshit Don.

* I wasn’t taking notes…

twasn’t a runaway.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:28:15
From: dv
ID: 2234454
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Ian said:

dv said:

Why? The US election results were as I predicted and were in line with polls.

I seem to remember* a prediction of Trump winning but it being a close run thing, not a runaway win for Dipshit Don.

* I wasn’t taking notes…

twasn’t a runaway.

1.5% margin is a landslide

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:31:56
From: Ian
ID: 2234455
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


dv said:

Ian said:

I thought you’d be giving psephology away after the US election.

Why? The US election results were as I predicted and were in line with polls.

I seem to remember* a prediction of Trump winning but it being a close run thing, not a runaway win for Dipshit Don.

* I wasn’t taking notes…

Weren’t your predictions similar to these?..

As such, the solution to the problem was not clear. Between 2020 and 2024, a greater number of pollsters tried different ways to recruit participants in an attempt to poll these hard-to-reach individuals. Despite the changes, polls still underestimated Trump’s margin of victory in 2024. The polls aggregated by RealClearPolitics, FiveThirtyEight and Nate Silver’s Silver Bulletin underestimated Trump’s margin of victory at the national level and across all seven swing states.

https://theconversation.com/polling-in-the-age-of-trump-highlights-flawed-methods-and-filtered-realities-243868

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:45:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234463
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bogsnorkler said:

furious said:

party_pants said:

I think it is all the more reason to ban kids from using it.

Maybe we’ll see a separation of platforms between countries and not a big open free-for-all across the board.

Maybe a Feral Govt owned social media platform for Aus might be launched.

Ha! And they couldn’t be bothered to moderate one tiny science forum, so shut it down…

FTL!!!

but seriously though it does make the communist police statist ban look increasingly like a wise move surely

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has defended his government’s social media ban for under-16s and broader online safety crackdown after Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg pledged to work with Donald Trump to fight “censorship” from governments. The Albanese government is considering options to expand the remit of the eSafety Commissioner to broader forms of hateful or harmful speech, but the timing of those reforms is unclear.

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:50:40
From: Cymek
ID: 2234469
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

furious said:

Ha! And they couldn’t be bothered to moderate one tiny science forum, so shut it down…

FTL!!!

but seriously though it does make the communist police statist ban look increasingly like a wise move surely

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has defended his government’s social media ban for under-16s and broader online safety crackdown after Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg pledged to work with Donald Trump to fight “censorship” from governments. The Albanese government is considering options to expand the remit of the eSafety Commissioner to broader forms of hateful or harmful speech, but the timing of those reforms is unclear.

I can’t see how people use social media was unexpected.
Its was an extension of already existing behaviour with the ability to be anonymous

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:54:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234473
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

FTL!!!

but seriously though it does make the communist police statist ban look increasingly like a wise move surely

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has defended his government’s social media ban for under-16s and broader online safety crackdown after Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg pledged to work with Donald Trump to fight “censorship” from governments. The Albanese government is considering options to expand the remit of the eSafety Commissioner to broader forms of hateful or harmful speech, but the timing of those reforms is unclear.

I can’t see how people use social media was unexpected.
Its was an extension of already existing behaviour with the ability to be anonymous

also true

and this whole idea of fact checking we mean it’sn’t like we ever used it as a source of reliable information

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Date: 8/01/2025 17:59:16
From: party_pants
ID: 2234477
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

but seriously though it does make the communist police statist ban look increasingly like a wise move surely

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has defended his government’s social media ban for under-16s and broader online safety crackdown after Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg pledged to work with Donald Trump to fight “censorship” from governments. The Albanese government is considering options to expand the remit of the eSafety Commissioner to broader forms of hateful or harmful speech, but the timing of those reforms is unclear.

I can’t see how people use social media was unexpected.
Its was an extension of already existing behaviour with the ability to be anonymous

also true

and this whole idea of fact checking we mean it’sn’t like we ever used it as a source of reliable information

In the old days publishers and the media filtered out a lot of stuff and nonsense. to get a story published you had to convince a reporter that you had something important to say, and their editor that it was worth the column inches to print it. Or if you wrote a book you had to convince a publishing house it was worth their time to typeset, print and distribute it. That tends to filter out a lot of crap.

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Date: 8/01/2025 18:00:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234478
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

thank fuck for La Niña here anyway

can’t complain

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Date: 8/01/2025 18:01:26
From: Ian
ID: 2234479
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

furious said:

Ha! And they couldn’t be bothered to moderate one tiny science forum, so shut it down…

FTL!!!

but seriously though it does make the communist police statist ban look increasingly like a wise move surely

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has defended his government’s social media ban for under-16s and broader online safety crackdown after Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg pledged to work with Donald Trump to fight “censorship” from governments. The Albanese government is considering options to expand the remit of the eSafety Commissioner to broader forms of hateful or harmful speech, but the timing of those reforms is unclear.

You couldn’t be serious in a room full of jack-knife eyes.

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Date: 8/01/2025 18:03:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234481
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

I can’t see how people use social media was unexpected.
Its was an extension of already existing behaviour with the ability to be anonymous

also true

and this whole idea of fact checking we mean it’sn’t like we ever used it as a source of reliable information

In the old days publishers and the media filtered out a lot of stuff and nonsense. to get a story published you had to convince a reporter that you had something important to say, and their editor that it was worth the column inches to print it. Or if you wrote a book you had to convince a publishing house it was worth their time to typeset, print and distribute it. That tends to filter out a lot of crap.

also agree, you wouldn’t get anything like the load of casual bullshit you get now, but certainly it was still no protection against established shismisdisinformation andor state propaganda andor simple personal bias

but even in the early days of Facebook say when was that ever a trustworthy source

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Date: 8/01/2025 18:04:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234482
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

FTL!!!

but seriously though it does make the communist police statist ban look increasingly like a wise move surely

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has defended his government’s social media ban for under-16s and broader online safety crackdown after Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg pledged to work with Donald Trump to fight “censorship” from governments. The Albanese government is considering options to expand the remit of the eSafety Commissioner to broader forms of hateful or harmful speech, but the timing of those reforms is unclear.

You couldn’t be serious in a room full of jack-knife eyes.

is this some kind of euphemism about Albanese and the inner west

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Date: 8/01/2025 18:06:20
From: Cymek
ID: 2234484
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

FTL!!!

but seriously though it does make the communist police statist ban look increasingly like a wise move surely

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has defended his government’s social media ban for under-16s and broader online safety crackdown after Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg pledged to work with Donald Trump to fight “censorship” from governments. The Albanese government is considering options to expand the remit of the eSafety Commissioner to broader forms of hateful or harmful speech, but the timing of those reforms is unclear.

You couldn’t be serious in a room full of jack-knife eyes.

The censorship they seem to mean isn’t allowing various hate groups to spout nastiness.
Or make people responsible for the reaction or outcome to what they posted.

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Date: 8/01/2025 18:15:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234499
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:

Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

but seriously though it does make the communist police statist ban look increasingly like a wise move surely

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has defended his government’s social media ban for under-16s and broader online safety crackdown after Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg pledged to work with Donald Trump to fight “censorship” from governments. The Albanese government is considering options to expand the remit of the eSafety Commissioner to broader forms of hateful or harmful speech, but the timing of those reforms is unclear.

You couldn’t be serious in a room full of jack-knife eyes.

The censorship they seem to mean isn’t allowing various hate groups to spout nastiness.
Or make people responsible for the reaction or outcome to what they posted.

right but that’s the crybully way, these manbabies who haven’t grown out of their toddler mindset yet head up mass influence companies (not an accident, yous all know how toddlers always get what they want) know full well that the real world hurts, consequences are a form of punishment in their minds, why wouldn’t they try to avoid responsibility accountability etcebility

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Date: 8/01/2025 20:39:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2234561
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

08 January 2025
Labor says $6m local spend on ferries is not enough
David Killick

Labor Leader Dean Winter speaking at the Spirit of Tasmania terminal in Devonport. Picture: Supplied.
Tasmanian businesses have so far received just $6m for providing local content to the new billion-dollar TT-Line ferries build, Labor says.

Opposition leader Dean Winter said it was a far cry from the $100m in local content the government claimed to have secured.

The government has accused Labor of misleading Tasmanians because the boats aren’t finished and the pledge was for “up to” $100m in local content.

An opposition Right to Information request has revealed a detailed breakdown of onshore spending on the new ferries.

In March 2021, then Premier Peter Gutwein and Minister for Infrastructure and Transport Michael Ferguson said the government was “targeting Tasmanian local content of between $50m and $100m across both vessels” with delivery to be in late 2023 and late 2024.

The government says TT-Line’s definition of “local content” includes interstate providers.

“Like so much of the Spirits of Tasmania project, the Liberals have failed to deliver on their $100m promise for local content going on our new ships,” Mr Winter said.

“For years now, the Liberals have been telling Tasmanians that as part of these new ships, there will be $100m worth of local content going into them.

“RTI documents uncovered by Labor show that TT-Line has only spent around $6m and so much of their claimed so called local content has actually been companies from Finland or international companies, rather than Tasmanian firms.

“It’s pretty clear they’re not going to get to their $20m target and the RMC component, the $80m, they’re trying to include things like the engines that were manufactured in Finland.

“Clearly, they haven’t met their promise, and I don’t think they were ever going to make their promise.”
Minister for Transport Eric Abetz said he was confident the targets would be met.

“It’s no surprise Labor would seek to talk down the local content investment and mislead Tasmanians,” he said.

“This is just another political attack from Labor attempting to undermine the project.

“Dozens of Tasmanian businesses have been awarded contracts to provide goods, services and content for the new vessels, and we expect TT-Line to meet its $20m target.

“If Labor did a simple online search they would see the up to $100m of local content in the new Spirits of Tasmania was to be comprised of Tasmanian and Australian content.

“RMC has until the end of the warranty period of Spirit V to satisfy the local content provisions of its contract with TT-Line, then an assessment will be undertaken by TT-Line to validate these purchases for contractual compliance, with penalty provisions in place if requirements are not met.”

Mr Abetz highlighted a number of Tasmanian businesses which had benefited including
Seamaster, Hobart’s Tas Isle Trading and Devonport-based Rapid Supply.
Labor’s RTI list includes equipment including a breathalyser, a holding cell intercom, TVs for the teen gaming lounge and $5,000 worth of hand and body wash.

david.killick@news.com.au

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Date: 8/01/2025 21:31:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2234575
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The election season has begun, and Albo’s off to a rocky start. From flying cash and poll slumps to media manipulation and identity politics, we break down the key battles Labor faces against Dutton and a hostile media landscape.

Battle lines are Drawn | The West Report

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Date: 8/01/2025 21:34:41
From: party_pants
ID: 2234577
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


The election season has begun, and Albo’s off to a rocky start. From flying cash and poll slumps to media manipulation and identity politics, we break down the key battles Labor faces against Dutton and a hostile media landscape.

Battle lines are Drawn | The West Report

We’ve got a state election coming up on the second Saturday in March. I am not going to give any bandwidth to the Fedewral election until after then.

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Date: 9/01/2025 10:04:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234703
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

finally someone with a megaphone calling it for what it is

Mr Albanese also shrugged off any threat from US tech billionaire Elon Musk at the coming election, given the close Donald Trump supporter has shown a willingness to attack progressive world leaders on his social media network.

“I’ll stand up for Australia’s national interest and won’t be intimidated by anyone, particularly not in the area of foreign interference.

“Mr Musk has his views.

“What I will do is represent Australia’s national interests without fear or favour. And part of that is making sure that social media is held to account, because social media has a social responsibility.”

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Date: 9/01/2025 11:36:20
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2234719
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Northern Territory
More than 1% of Northern Territory population imprisoned as record jail numbers predicted to climb
Watch houses repurposed as long-term prison cells as Country Liberal government claims ‘such is the nature of the mess we have inherited’

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Ella Archibald-Binge
Thu 9 Jan 2025 01.00 AEDT
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Police watch houses in the Northern Territory are being repurposed as long-term prison cells as record imprisonment numbers push the system to breaking point.

There were 2,613 people locked up in the NT on Tuesday – more than 1% of the territory’s population of 255,100, according to the Department of Corrections.

By contrast, in Western Australia – the state with the next highest imprisonment rate – about 0.2% of the population is behind bars. Data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows the NT incarceration rate is more than five times the national average.

If the NT were a country it would have the second-highest incarceration rate in the world, according to data compiled by the World Prison Brief project.

New laws were enacted on Monday to ensure young people and adults who breach bail conditions, commit serious offences or repeatedly offend are not granted bail.

More than 250 people are being held in NT police watch houses, spilling over from overcrowded prisons unable to cope with a surge that is only expected to grow as tough new bail laws take effect this week.

Clancy Dane, the principal lawyer at Territory Criminal Lawyers, said conditions in police watch houses were “appalling”.

“Police watch houses are overcrowded, they’re oppressive, the lights stay on, the noise is constant,” he said. “Prisoners complain that they don’t have privacy when they go to the toilet.

“That’s going to traumatise people … and it’s not going to make us any safer.”

more….
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/09/northern-territory-prison-population-watch-houses

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Date: 9/01/2025 11:58:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234726
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:

Northern Territory
More than 1% of Northern Territory population imprisoned as record jail numbers predicted to climb
Watch houses repurposed as long-term prison cells as Country Liberal government claims ‘such is the nature of the mess we have inherited’

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Police watch houses in the Northern Territory are being repurposed as long-term prison cells as record imprisonment numbers push the system to breaking point.

There were 2,613 people locked up in the NT on Tuesday – more than 1% of the territory’s population of 255,100, according to the Department of Corrections.

By contrast, in Western Australia – the state with the next highest imprisonment rate – about 0.2% of the population is behind bars. Data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows the NT incarceration rate is more than five times the national average.

If the NT were a country it would have the second-highest incarceration rate in the world, according to data compiled by the World Prison Brief project.

New laws were enacted on Monday to ensure young people and adults who breach bail conditions, commit serious offences or repeatedly offend are not granted bail.

More than 250 people are being held in NT police watch houses, spilling over from overcrowded prisons unable to cope with a surge that is only expected to grow as tough new bail laws take effect this week.

Clancy Dane, the principal lawyer at Territory Criminal Lawyers, said conditions in police watch houses were “appalling”.

“Police watch houses are overcrowded, they’re oppressive, the lights stay on, the noise is constant,” he said. “Prisoners complain that they don’t have privacy when they go to the toilet.

“That’s going to traumatise people … and it’s not going to make us any safer.”

more….
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/09/northern-territory-prison-population-watch-houses

LOL

Location Rates Number
El Salvador 1 659 109,519
Cuba 794 90,000
Rwanda 637 89,034
Turkmenistan 576 35,000
United States of America 541 1,808,100
American Samoa (USA) 538 301
Panama 522 23,798
Tonga 516 557
Guam (USA) 475 820
Uruguay 449 15,767

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Date: 10/01/2025 09:58:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2235014
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

disinformation

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Date: 10/01/2025 10:00:49
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2235018
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

disinformation


Is it?

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Date: 10/01/2025 10:17:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2235024
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

disinformation

⚠ sorry this post may contain sarcasm

Is it?

apologies and apologies and disclaimer added

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Date: 10/01/2025 11:56:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2235099
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-10/are-traffic-controllers-really-paid-200k-per-year/104761918

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:02:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2235102
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-10/are-traffic-controllers-really-paid-200k-per-year/104761918

A lot of voices coming out of a lot of arses.

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:05:21
From: Cymek
ID: 2235103
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-10/are-traffic-controllers-really-paid-200k-per-year/104761918

A lot of voices coming out of a lot of arses.

How much of that is paid to the bikies as protection money

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:16:44
From: Michael V
ID: 2235106
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-10/are-traffic-controllers-really-paid-200k-per-year/104761918

A lot of voices coming out of a lot of arses.

How much of that is paid to the bikies as protection money

LOL

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:25:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2235110
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

LOL

Victoria’s Essential Services Commission has released its draft decision on the minimum rate electricity retailers must pay solar customers for the electricity they export into the grid — known as a feed-in tariff. The ESC has proposed dropping the rate to 0.04 cents per kilowatt hour (kWh) from the current 3.3 cents starting July 1, 2025. The Commission has also recommended a time-varying feed-in tariff, which is a rate that varies depending on the time of day. Those rates range from 0 cents to 7.5 cents per kWh. A varying rate would incentivise solar customers to export electricity when demand is high, rather than when the grid is already saturated with supply. It means customers will earn much less than they have been for supplying electricity to the grid and it could discourage people from installing solar panels and also increase demand for home batteries.

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:30:18
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2235113
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-10/are-traffic-controllers-really-paid-200k-per-year/104761918

A lot of voices coming out of a lot of arses.

How much of that is paid to the bikies as protection money

If that article is correct, the actual income for a 36 hour week, 48 weeks a year, is $84,551.

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:33:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2235115
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Rev Dodgson said:


Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

A lot of voices coming out of a lot of arses.

How much of that is paid to the bikies as protection money

If that article is correct, the actual income for a 36 hour week, 48 weeks a year, is $84,551.

A Queensland traffic controller could earn about $215,000 per year if they worked 12 hours and 12 minutes every weekday with five of those hours being paid at double time for 48 weeks.

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:35:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2235117
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Rev Dodgson said:


Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

A lot of voices coming out of a lot of arses.

How much of that is paid to the bikies as protection money

If that article is correct, the actual income for a 36 hour week, 48 weeks a year, is $84,551.

So, no threat to MPs in the pay standings, then?

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:36:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2235119
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

How much of that is paid to the bikies as protection money

If that article is correct, the actual income for a 36 hour week, 48 weeks a year, is $84,551.

A Queensland traffic controller could earn about $215,000 per year if they worked 12 hours and 12 minutes every weekday with five of those hours being paid at double time for 48 weeks.

For comparison, the Bingbot says the average salary for a primary school teacher is $95,093 per year.

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:37:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 2235122
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If that article is correct, the actual income for a 36 hour week, 48 weeks a year, is $84,551.

A Queensland traffic controller could earn about $215,000 per year if they worked 12 hours and 12 minutes every weekday with five of those hours being paid at double time for 48 weeks.

For comparison, the Bingbot says the average salary for a primary school teacher is $95,093 per year.

Yeah. :(

Under BPIC, workers can be paid at double time under certain conditions.

Those conditions include night shifts, working out in the rain, with insufficient breaks, or when performing weekend overtime.

So, for example, if a traffic controller was asked to work a split 7.2-hour day shift followed by a 5-hour night shift every weekday without exception, they could earn nearly $215,000 in a year.

It is therefore theoretically possible for a traffic controller to earn $215,000 in a year, but almost impossible in practice.

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:37:37
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2235123
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

How much of that is paid to the bikies as protection money

If that article is correct, the actual income for a 36 hour week, 48 weeks a year, is $84,551.

So, no threat to MPs in the pay standings, then?

They’re all on a unity ticket when it comes to pay rises.

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:40:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2235125
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If that article is correct, the actual income for a 36 hour week, 48 weeks a year, is $84,551.

So, no threat to MPs in the pay standings, then?

They’re all on a unity ticket when it comes to pay rises.

Someone should be along soon to remind me that MPs work long and hardfortheir money, desereve every cent of it, and that i’m just parading my saintliness again.

My recidivism is terrible.

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:41:14
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2235126
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

‘…desereve…’?

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:42:37
From: dv
ID: 2235127
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

(Shrugs) given the importance of their work, maybe they should all be on 200 large.

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:47:14
From: dv
ID: 2235129
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

LOL

Victoria’s Essential Services Commission has released its draft decision on the minimum rate electricity retailers must pay solar customers for the electricity they export into the grid — known as a feed-in tariff. The ESC has proposed dropping the rate to 0.04 cents per kilowatt hour (kWh) from the current 3.3 cents starting July 1, 2025. The Commission has also recommended a time-varying feed-in tariff, which is a rate that varies depending on the time of day. Those rates range from 0 cents to 7.5 cents per kWh. A varying rate would incentivise solar customers to export electricity when demand is high, rather than when the grid is already saturated with supply. It means customers will earn much less than they have been for supplying electricity to the grid and it could discourage people from installing solar panels and also increase demand for home batteries.

Stupid Labor

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:49:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2235131
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

LOL

Victoria’s Essential Services Commission has released its draft decision on the minimum rate electricity retailers must pay solar customers for the electricity they export into the grid — known as a feed-in tariff. The ESC has proposed dropping the rate to 0.04 cents per kilowatt hour (kWh) from the current 3.3 cents starting July 1, 2025. The Commission has also recommended a time-varying feed-in tariff, which is a rate that varies depending on the time of day. Those rates range from 0 cents to 7.5 cents per kWh. A varying rate would incentivise solar customers to export electricity when demand is high, rather than when the grid is already saturated with supply. It means customers will earn much less than they have been for supplying electricity to the grid and it could discourage people from installing solar panels and also increase demand for home batteries.

Stupid Labor

Increasing demand for home batteries is a good thing, isn’t it?

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Date: 10/01/2025 12:52:34
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2235133
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I remember years ago people on the old forum thought self employed tradies who charged $90 and hour were putting all that in their pockets. and had no expenses.

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Date: 10/01/2025 13:25:32
From: dv
ID: 2235143
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

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Date: 10/01/2025 13:58:20
From: Cymek
ID: 2235165
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:



Is government responsible for individuals crimes anyway

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Date: 10/01/2025 14:06:19
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2235172
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

So, no threat to MPs in the pay standings, then?

They’re all on a unity ticket when it comes to pay rises.

Someone should be along soon to remind me that MPs work long and hardfortheir money, desereve every cent of it, and that i’m just parading my saintliness again.

My recidivism is terrible.

Thankfully the passive aggressive crap is still more tolerable than your usual bullshit.

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Date: 10/01/2025 14:20:28
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2235175
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Witty Rejoinder said:


captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

They’re all on a unity ticket when it comes to pay rises.

Someone should be along soon to remind me that MPs work long and hardfortheir money, desereve every cent of it, and that i’m just parading my saintliness again.

My recidivism is terrible.

Thankfully the passive aggressive crap is still more tolerable than your usual bullshit.

I do my best to please.

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Date: 11/01/2025 19:27:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2235679
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

11 January 2025
Vica Bayley seeks explanation on why no charges against doctor over death certificates
Sue Bailey

The Tasmanian Greens will seek an explanation as to why police will not pursue criminal charges against a former hospital executive accused of falsifying death certificates.
Police have confirmed there was insufficient evidence for any charges to be laid.
A police spokeswoman said the final report from the Independent Review of Reportable Deaths and Death Reporting Processes was referred to Tasmania Police and other relevant agencies in July 2024.
“Following a review by Tasmania Police and advice from the Director of Public Prosecutions it was determined there was insufficient evidence to proceed with any criminal charges,” she said.
Greens deputy leader Vica Bayley and nurse and whistleblower Amanda Duncan say they are disappointed at the decision.
“We are disappointed for advocates and families of the deceased,” Mr Bayley said.
“We will write to the Minister and follow up with the Police Commissioner to understand this decision, how it was reached and if they consider the issue is now closed.
“At the end of the day, if accountability for these failures doesn’t come through the police and the criminal system, the minister needs to explain where it will occur?”
Ms Duncan told a parliamentary inquiry last year that she had received 11 reports from doctors and nurses that Dr Peter Renshaw, the hospital’s now retired director of medical services, had falsified death certificates in cases that should have been referred to a coroner.
Dr Renshaw said he was pleased with the outcome of the police investigation.
“I continue to strongly maintain that all LGH death certificates issued either by myself or on my advice were clinically appropriate, based on the best available clinical information, and fully cognisant of the requirements of the Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages and the Coroners Act,” he said.
Ms Duncan is distressed by the police decision.
“I was one of the individuals who brought forth evidence in the Tasmanian parliament last year, yet I was not engaged at all by Tasmania Police during their investigation.
“In fact, when I attempted to make a formal police report in February 2024, they made no attempt to gather further information which was at hand, in addition to my evidence in Parliament.”
Health Department secretary Dale Webster said the police investigation was conducted independent of the department and random audits being conducted by a senior doctor and nurse would continue.
An independent inquiry last year referred 29 deaths at the LGH to the coroner after it was found a “serious and sustained departure from expected standards”.
The inquiry was established last February to investigate allegations Dr Renshaw failed to report deaths as required under the Coroner’s Act.

susan.bailey@news.com.au

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Date: 12/01/2025 09:42:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2235926
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Today’s SMH front page headline:

Dutton says Labor made Australia less safe.

Dutton spewing his usual shit is front page news?

Seriously?

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Date: 12/01/2025 09:53:33
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2235927
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Rev Dodgson said:


Today’s SMH front page headline:

Dutton says Labor made Australia less safe.

Dutton spewing his usual shit is front page news?

Seriously?

who are the bogey people this time?

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Date: 12/01/2025 10:00:53
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2235928
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

From: Allan
Subject: A.Word.A.Day: passing Thought

A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
A certain kind of rich man afflicted with the symptoms of moral dandyism sooner or later comes to the conclusion that it isn’t enough merely to make money. He feels obliged to hold views, to espouse causes and elect Presidents, to explain to a trembling world how and why the world went wrong. -Lewis H. Lapham, editor and writer (8 Jan 1935-2024)

To what you cited he added a punch line, “The spectacle is nearly always comic.” The quotation is from 1989!

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Date: 12/01/2025 10:02:54
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2235929
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


From: Allan
Subject: A.Word.A.Day: passing Thought

A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
A certain kind of rich man afflicted with the symptoms of moral dandyism sooner or later comes to the conclusion that it isn’t enough merely to make money. He feels obliged to hold views, to espouse causes and elect Presidents, to explain to a trembling world how and why the world went wrong. -Lewis H. Lapham, editor and writer (8 Jan 1935-2024)

To what you cited he added a punch line, “The spectacle is nearly always comic.” The quotation is from 1989!

“…nearly always…”

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Date: 12/01/2025 10:05:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2235931
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Today’s SMH front page headline:

Dutton says Labor made Australia less safe.

Dutton spewing his usual shit is front page news?

Seriously?

who are the bogey people this time?

I don’t even know what it means to be a bogey person.

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Date: 12/01/2025 10:18:12
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2235934
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Rev Dodgson said:


ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Today’s SMH front page headline:

Dutton says Labor made Australia less safe.

Dutton spewing his usual shit is front page news?

Seriously?

who are the bogey people this time?

I don’t even know what it means to be a bogey person.

bogeyman
/ˈbəʊɡɪman/
noun
an imaginary evil spirit or being, used to frighten children.
“we kept the blankets pulled over our heads to keep out the bogeyman”
a person or thing that is widely regarded as an object of fear.
“nuclear power is the environmentalists’ bogeyman”

I used the gender neutral term “person” as I didn’t know what subset of humans were responsible for making us less safe.

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Date: 12/01/2025 10:26:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2235935
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

who are the bogey people this time?

I don’t even know what it means to be a bogey person.

bogeyman
/ˈbəʊɡɪman/
noun
an imaginary evil spirit or being, used to frighten children.
“we kept the blankets pulled over our heads to keep out the bogeyman”
a person or thing that is widely regarded as an object of fear.
“nuclear power is the environmentalists’ bogeyman”

I used the gender neutral term “person” as I didn’t know what subset of humans were responsible for making us less safe.

I suppose the bogey people are the Labor party then.

But I didn’t read past the headline.

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Date: 13/01/2025 22:45:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2236491
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

This Clarke & Dawe from 8 years ago (8 years ago!), seems sort of appropriate for now:

Clarke and Dawe – Thank God it couldn’t happen here.

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Date: 13/01/2025 22:47:05
From: dv
ID: 2236493
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-13/australian-tea-culture-cafes-falling-behind-other-countries/104792524

Australia’s hospitality industry needs better training on tea, experts say

—-

quite so

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Date: 13/01/2025 22:47:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2236494
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Rev Dodgson said:

This Clarke & Dawe from 8 years ago (8 years ago!), seems sort of appropriate for now:

Clarke and Dawe – Thank God it couldn’t happen here.

Thanks for your time tonight
Good to be with you
I’d like to talk about Brexit.
This is big thing for Britain isn’t it?
This is huge yes.
It’s decisive.
This will effect the way not only the British economy
works.
This will effect the social development of Britain as a nation
Can you explain how the current situation developed?
Yes.
In a nutshell, it’s a failure of leadership.
The Prime Minister had a particular view, a particular set of policies, not everyone
in his own party agreed with him…..
This is in Britain
Yes.
There were right wing elements in his own party, and there were opportunists
who would seize on any weakness, and he was under a huge amount of internal
pressure.
A lot of this was leaked to the press.
He was being sabotaged…….
You’re talking about events in Britain
Yes.
The Prime Minister had come from a particular background, he was wealthy, his name had been
mentioned , albeit in relation to the Panama Papers
Hang on, I’m not asking about Australian politics.
I’m asking you about this recent vote in Britain
Yes, that’s what I’m talking about.
The Prime Minister got it wrong.
The whole business of getting people to vote, was a
colossal mistake.
He thought he was going clean them all up, he would carry the day, defeat the opposition,
get rid of the people in his own party who were trying to get rid of him….
No, look, can I just stop you there.
I’ve got you on here to talk about the situation in
Britain
Yes, that’s what I’ describing
You’re supposed to be an expert on what’s just happened in Britain
I teach this at the university
Well can you just please confine yourself to talking about Britain.
I don’t want to know about Australia.
I know what’s just happened in Australia.
I live in Australia
Right.
The Prime Minister made a massive miscalculation by going to a vote.
He was in a worse position AFTER the vote that
he was before it.
And then there’s the Scot problem
The Scott problem?
Yes
The Scott problem in Britain?
Yes.
That’s not going to go away.
That’s been festering for three years
This is hopeless.
How’s the weather?
The weather?
It’s a bit wet and cold.
It was raining earlier
No.
I don’t want to know what’s happening here.
I mean in Britain
I’m taking about Britain
What’s the future for the British economy, do you think
We’re facing some serious issues.
Debt is a big issue here.
The gap between the rich and the poor is widening and this is what
I was talking about earlier.
A lot of people thought the Prime Minister was out of touch.
That’s one of the reasons we got the rest we got
I give up.
I’m asking about Britain!
I’m talking about Britain young man.

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Date: 13/01/2025 22:48:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2236496
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

This Clarke & Dawe from 8 years ago (8 years ago!), seems sort of appropriate for now:

Clarke and Dawe – Thank God it couldn’t happen here.

Thanks for your time tonight
Good to be with you
I’d like to talk about Brexit.
This is big thing for Britain isn’t it?
This is huge yes.
It’s decisive.
This will effect the way not only the British economy
works.
This will effect the social development of Britain as a nation
Can you explain how the current situation developed?
Yes.
In a nutshell, it’s a failure of leadership.
The Prime Minister had a particular view, a particular set of policies, not everyone
in his own party agreed with him…..
This is in Britain
Yes.
There were right wing elements in his own party, and there were opportunists
who would seize on any weakness, and he was under a huge amount of internal
pressure.
A lot of this was leaked to the press.
He was being sabotaged…….
You’re talking about events in Britain
Yes.
The Prime Minister had come from a particular background, he was wealthy, his name had been
mentioned , albeit in relation to the Panama Papers
Hang on, I’m not asking about Australian politics.
I’m asking you about this recent vote in Britain
Yes, that’s what I’m talking about.
The Prime Minister got it wrong.
The whole business of getting people to vote, was a
colossal mistake.
He thought he was going clean them all up, he would carry the day, defeat the opposition,
get rid of the people in his own party who were trying to get rid of him….
No, look, can I just stop you there.
I’ve got you on here to talk about the situation in
Britain
Yes, that’s what I’ describing
You’re supposed to be an expert on what’s just happened in Britain
I teach this at the university
Well can you just please confine yourself to talking about Britain.
I don’t want to know about Australia.
I know what’s just happened in Australia.
I live in Australia
Right.
The Prime Minister made a massive miscalculation by going to a vote.
He was in a worse position AFTER the vote that
he was before it.
And then there’s the Scot problem
The Scott problem?
Yes
The Scott problem in Britain?
Yes.
That’s not going to go away.
That’s been festering for three years
This is hopeless.
How’s the weather?
The weather?
It’s a bit wet and cold.
It was raining earlier
No.
I don’t want to know what’s happening here.
I mean in Britain
I’m taking about Britain
What’s the future for the British economy, do you think
We’re facing some serious issues.
Debt is a big issue here.
The gap between the rich and the poor is widening and this is what
I was talking about earlier.
A lot of people thought the Prime Minister was out of touch.
That’s one of the reasons we got the rest we got
I give up.
I’m asking about Britain!
I’m talking about Britain young man.

That was quick!

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Date: 14/01/2025 14:46:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2236717
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

so uh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-14/sydney-trains-employees-offered-13-per-cent-pay-rise/104812740

less than inflation then which would be 15% nice one

guess that means

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-health-minister-begs-doctors-to-withdraw-mass-resignations-20250111-p5l3j9.html

this is going to work out well

A draft management document for contingency planning at Prince of Wales Hospital, seen by the Herald, said the impact on its acute care team would be “significant” when the resignations take effect on January 21.

oh interesting isn’t there like a month of notice that has to be given between resignations put in and the final departures, wait shouldn’t this have been in the news all month, oh, oh shit, maybe some powerful people insisted that it can’t be published hey

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Date: 14/01/2025 14:53:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2236726
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

so uh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-14/sydney-trains-employees-offered-13-per-cent-pay-rise/104812740

less than inflation then which would be 15% nice one

guess that means

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-health-minister-begs-doctors-to-withdraw-mass-resignations-20250111-p5l3j9.html

this is going to work out well

A draft management document for contingency planning at Prince of Wales Hospital, seen by the Herald, said the impact on its acute care team would be “significant” when the resignations take effect on January 21.

oh interesting isn’t there like a month of notice that has to be given between resignations put in and the final departures, wait shouldn’t this have been in the news all month, oh, oh shit, maybe some powerful people insisted that it can’t be published hey

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/radionational-breakfast/nsw-psychiatrists/104814008

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Date: 14/01/2025 19:49:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2236814
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

and then to all centrelinkers.

————

only seen this…not a real link.

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Date: 14/01/2025 19:55:09
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2236817
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


and then to all centrelinkers.

————

only seen this…not a real link.

Well, there’s a guaranteed vote-loser.

In some electorates, at least.

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Date: 14/01/2025 20:06:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2236819
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

and then to all centrelinkers.

————

only seen this…not a real link.

Well, there’s a guaranteed vote-loser.

In some electorates, at least.

Gina is really into the idea.

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Date: 14/01/2025 20:16:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2236820
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

and then to all centrelinkers.

————

only seen this…not a real link.

Well, there’s a guaranteed vote-loser.

In some electorates, at least.

Gina is really into the idea.

Well, it’s dogma, then.

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Date: 14/01/2025 22:05:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2236842
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

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Date: 15/01/2025 00:37:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2236909
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

14 January 2025
NSW psychiatrists quit en masse over pay
Federal Health Minister Mark Butler has urged the more than two-thirds of NSW’s public psychiatrists who have handed in their resignations to come back to the negotiating table to avoid “devastating consequences” for patients (The Guardian).
More than 200 of the state’s 295 psychiatrists at NSW’s public hospitals have handed in their resignations, effective from next week, due to concerns about pay and the state of mental healthcare.
The state government has offered a pay rise of 10.5% over three years, less than half the 25% asked for by the doctors.
Butler on Monday urged both parties to “come back to the table and resolve this in the interest of patients”.
The state’s psychiatrists have said they are paid a third less than their interstate colleagues and that many are leaving to join the private sector (City Hub).
According to one agency, NSW Health has offered a “crisis” pay rate of up to $3050 a day along with accommodation and travel allowances to help plug the holes from next week (SMH).

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Date: 15/01/2025 04:47:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2236922
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

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Date: 15/01/2025 07:55:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2236934
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


14 January 2025
NSW psychiatrists quit en masse over pay
Federal Health Minister Mark Butler has urged the more than two-thirds of NSW’s public psychiatrists who have handed in their resignations to come back to the negotiating table to avoid “devastating consequences” for patients (The Guardian).
More than 200 of the state’s 295 psychiatrists at NSW’s public hospitals have handed in their resignations, effective from next week, due to concerns about pay and the state of mental healthcare.
The state government has offered a pay rise of 10.5% over three years, less than half the 25% asked for by the doctors.
Butler on Monday urged both parties to “come back to the table and resolve this in the interest of patients”.
The state’s psychiatrists have said they are paid a third less than their interstate colleagues and that many are leaving to join the private sector (City Hub).
According to one agency, NSW Health has offered a “crisis” pay rate of up to $3050 a day along with accommodation and travel allowances to help plug the holes from next week (SMH).

wait someone mentioned this but do we care

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Date: 15/01/2025 08:01:07
From: Michael V
ID: 2236936
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:



:)

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:02:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237045
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

What the fuck is this, the early 1990s ¿¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/patient-groups-calls-for-free-tv-in-perth-public-hospitals/104815378

Have these people heard of smartphones andor tablet computers or what¿ What next are we about to get CD music in hospitals or something¿

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:05:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2237048
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

What the fuck is this, the early 1990s ¿¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/patient-groups-calls-for-free-tv-in-perth-public-hospitals/104815378

Have these people heard of smartphones andor tablet computers or what¿ What next are we about to get CD music in hospitals or something¿

I think that making daytime TV readily available to people in hospital would amount to inflicting cruelty on the sick.

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:11:15
From: dv
ID: 2237050
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

What the fuck is this, the early 1990s ¿¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/patient-groups-calls-for-free-tv-in-perth-public-hospitals/104815378

Have these people heard of smartphones andor tablet computers or what¿ What next are we about to get CD music in hospitals or something¿

I can understand the reluctance. It’s good for hospitals to be quiet. I suppose they can use irfons.

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:11:24
From: Cymek
ID: 2237051
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

What the fuck is this, the early 1990s ¿¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/patient-groups-calls-for-free-tv-in-perth-public-hospitals/104815378

Have these people heard of smartphones andor tablet computers or what¿ What next are we about to get CD music in hospitals or something¿

I think that making daytime TV readily available to people in hospital would amount to inflicting cruelty on the sick.

Bloody oath it would

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:20:57
From: Michael V
ID: 2237061
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

What the fuck is this, the early 1990s ¿¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/patient-groups-calls-for-free-tv-in-perth-public-hospitals/104815378

Have these people heard of smartphones andor tablet computers or what¿ What next are we about to get CD music in hospitals or something¿

I can understand the reluctance. It’s good for hospitals to be quiet. I suppose they can use irfons.

irfons?

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:23:06
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2237062
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


dv said:

SCIENCE said:

What the fuck is this, the early 1990s ¿¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/patient-groups-calls-for-free-tv-in-perth-public-hospitals/104815378

Have these people heard of smartphones andor tablet computers or what¿ What next are we about to get CD music in hospitals or something¿

I can understand the reluctance. It’s good for hospitals to be quiet. I suppose they can use irfons.

irfons?

headphones, or earphones that work on an IR transmitter from the TV etc.

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:23:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237063
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

What the fuck is this, the early 1990s ¿¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/patient-groups-calls-for-free-tv-in-perth-public-hospitals/104815378

Have these people heard of smartphones andor tablet computers or what¿ What next are we about to get CD music in hospitals or something¿

I think that making daytime TV readily available to people in hospital would amount to inflicting cruelty on the sick.

Bloody oath it would

well we’re not all of yous so everyone kilometrage may vary but we’ve been in an emergency department waiting room recently and surely the frustration and boredom and rage could be brought down a notch if people had like a nice Bluey episode or Triumph des Willens or other suitable public lecture to watch and entertain themselves with

oh right CD music maybe some calming and inoffensive Mendelssohn or something

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:24:37
From: dv
ID: 2237065
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


dv said:

SCIENCE said:

What the fuck is this, the early 1990s ¿¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/patient-groups-calls-for-free-tv-in-perth-public-hospitals/104815378

Have these people heard of smartphones andor tablet computers or what¿ What next are we about to get CD music in hospitals or something¿

I can understand the reluctance. It’s good for hospitals to be quiet. I suppose they can use irfons.

irfons?

earphones

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:26:21
From: Michael V
ID: 2237068
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

I can understand the reluctance. It’s good for hospitals to be quiet. I suppose they can use irfons.

irfons?

headphones, or earphones that work on an IR transmitter from the TV etc.

Ta. Neveer heard that word before. Neither has my version of Go-Ogle.

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:26:31
From: dv
ID: 2237069
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

BTW they still have signs up at RPH telling people not to use their phones. Literally no one complies, not even staff, and it’s just as well. You’re going to need your phone if you’re waiting in a hospital, whether for entertainment or communication.

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:27:36
From: dv
ID: 2237070
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Michael V said:

irfons?

headphones, or earphones that work on an IR transmitter from the TV etc.

Ta. Neveer heard that word before. Neither has my version of Go-Ogle.

Have you tried Bong, Net’n‘Yahoo, Altervishnu or Ask Jeez?

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:27:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237071
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Michael V said:

irfons?

headphones, or earphones that work on an IR transmitter from the TV etc.

Ta. Neveer heard that word before. Neither has my version of Go-Ogle.

and they say 爱 is about to take over the world

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:28:13
From: Michael V
ID: 2237072
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

I can understand the reluctance. It’s good for hospitals to be quiet. I suppose they can use irfons.

irfons?

earphones

Ta.

Different, but similar to the other explanation.

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:31:14
From: Michael V
ID: 2237074
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Michael V said:

ChrispenEvan said:

headphones, or earphones that work on an IR transmitter from the TV etc.

Ta. Neveer heard that word before. Neither has my version of Go-Ogle.

Have you tried Bong, Net’n‘Yahoo, Altervishnu or Ask Jeez?

LOL

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:39:10
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2237077
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

ChrispenEvan said:

headphones, or earphones that work on an IR transmitter from the TV etc.

Ta. Neveer heard that word before. Neither has my version of Go-Ogle.

and they say 爱 is about to take over the world

Love makes the world go round.

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:46:48
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2237082
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


BTW they still have signs up at RPH telling people not to use their phones. Literally no one complies, not even staff, and it’s just as well. You’re going to need your phone if you’re waiting in a hospital, whether for entertainment or communication.

what ever did we do before mobiles? I think that is why god gave us thumbs, to twiddle.

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:47:41
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2237084
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

irfons?

earphones

Ta.

Different, but similar to the other explanation.

I was extrapolating from incorrect data.

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:49:01
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2237085
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Witty Rejoinder said:


SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Ta. Neveer heard that word before. Neither has my version of Go-Ogle.

and they say 爱 is about to take over the world

Love makes the world go round.

Fat bottomed girls
You make the rockin’ world go ‘round

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:54:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 2237088
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

and they say 爱 is about to take over the world

Love makes the world go round.

Fat bottomed girls
You make the rockin’ world go ‘round

Video ref:?

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:55:59
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2237090
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Love makes the world go round.

Fat bottomed girls
You make the rockin’ world go ‘round

Video ref:?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMnjF1O4eH0

Link

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Date: 15/01/2025 12:59:20
From: dv
ID: 2237091
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


dv said:

BTW they still have signs up at RPH telling people not to use their phones. Literally no one complies, not even staff, and it’s just as well. You’re going to need your phone if you’re waiting in a hospital, whether for entertainment or communication.

what ever did we do before mobiles? I think that is why god gave us thumbs, to twiddle.

We queued up to use the payphone to update relatives.

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Date: 15/01/2025 15:14:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2237234
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

15 January 2025
Examiner.

One of the first people in Tasmania to be convicted under the new charge of performing a Nazi gesture pulled out a wad of cash to pay his fine when he appeared in the Launceston Magistrates Court.

Brendan Phillip Dudman, 58, of Ravenswood, pleaded guilty to doing a Nazi salute in a public place on November 4, 2024.
He also pleaded guilty to a count of using abusive language to a police officer on December 4, 2024.

Police prosecutor Jack Fawdry said police were on patrol near the Ravenswood Over 50’s club when they observed yelling and making gestures towards the police.

He said Dudman performed a Nazi salute and said, Heil Hitler.

When police asked him why he performed the salute, he said, “Don’t dictate to me then”.

Mr Fawdry said he called two police officers wankers, clowns, f—-wits and uneducated.

When Mr Fawdry took a list of Dudman’s prior offences for him to review, Dudman said, “ It’s no good bringing them back here, mate. I can’t read.”

He told magistrate Ken Stanton that he did the gesture out of frustration.

Dudman related a long list of grievances against police, including being injected against his will.

“Is it fair to say you have very little respect for the police?” Mr Stanton asked.

He told Mr Stanton he was going to go into the bush with his dog to die.

He said he had been refused medical treatment.

He said he abused the officers when in the divisional van because the driver was not watching the road.
In sentencing, Mr Stanton said he clearly had a substantial problem with police.

“You are convicted and fined $500 and have to pay the court costs of $98.54,” he said.

After the decision, Dudman pulled a large wad of $100 notes from his pocket, peeled off six, and laid them on the bar table in court.

Australia’s legal system is a complex framework of several courts that work together to resolve disputes.

Mr Stanton asked Dudman to take the money saying that he did not have the power to receive payment.

He said he would have to go to the correct place to pay after receiving a court notice.

“They won’t know where to find me because I’m going to the bush to die,” he said.

Tasmania’s legislation prohibiting a Nazi salute was proclaimed in August 2023.

A maximum sentence is a fine of 20 penalty units or up to three months in jail.

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Date: 15/01/2025 16:58:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2237267
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

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My first rant for the upcoming election season. Dutton plans to reintroduce the indue card. Starting with aboriginal communities and winding it out to all centrelinkers. This was such a bad scheme. Some stores would not deal with card holders at all. Rents were not paid on time and people were evicted. Homes were not rented to those on the card because the real estate people knew how hard it was to deal with. And Indue did not release funds for things like student excursions and even bras. (send us a photo of your old bra…) The payments were paid to Indue who slowly gave them back to the people whose money it was. The money was kept offshore. Everything was wrong with this scheme. But some mining magnates from WA do like it lots. And they will be paying the Libs bills for this election.

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Date: 15/01/2025 17:03:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2237268
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:

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Ros Meeker
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Shared with Public
My first rant for the upcoming election season. Dutton plans to reintroduce the indue card. Starting with aboriginal communities and winding it out to all centrelinkers. This was such a bad scheme. Some stores would not deal with card holders at all. Rents were not paid on time and people were evicted. Homes were not rented to those on the card because the real estate people knew how hard it was to deal with. And Indue did not release funds for things like student excursions and even bras. (send us a photo of your old bra…) The payments were paid to Indue who slowly gave them back to the people whose money it was. The money was kept offshore. Everything was wrong with this scheme. But some mining magnates from WA do like it lots. And they will be paying the Libs bills for this election.

‘Being rich’ depends on having people to whose situations you can compare your own.

If you have lots of money, and they have very little, then the comparison designates you as ‘rich’.

One way to make the difference in your situations even more pronounced is to see that the poor people have no money at all.

The Indue card is a most useful tool for creating that scenario.

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Date: 15/01/2025 17:04:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2237269
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Let us not forget:

the cruelty is not merely a side-effect of such measures.

The cruelty is the point.

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Date: 15/01/2025 17:18:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237271
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:

Let us not forget:

the cruelty is not merely a side-effect of such measures.

The cruelty is the point.

so corruption government for the next 6 years is pretty much a slam dunk then

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Date: 15/01/2025 17:26:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2237274
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Jeremy Campbell
Hi Ros Meeker, this has been a thing for you for quite a few years now. I’m not across the details but I don’t doubt for a minute that this card has horrendous consequences for the poor bastards who get put on it. But for mine it is just more shit from centrelink. I’m thinking Robodebt but also the treatment I got when I tried to deal with them regarding my mothers aged pension. I was literally told that they wouldn’t talk to or listen to me and that they wouldn’t listen to my mother. We walked out, and the cunt from centrelink was shocked that we did. They think they have you by the short and curlies, so resistance is not expected. I am on the record that I will top myself before I ever get to the point where I would have to ask centrelink for anything. You might hate Dutton, but Labor’s social security safety net is just as fucking bad. Broaden your campaign!
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Ros Meeker
This ceased ‘to be a thing for me’ when its death was prioritised by this govt. I am sorry Centrelink did not meet your expectations. You could have complained through channels. And as I said this is my first rant. You can choose to read on..or not.

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Date: 15/01/2025 19:17:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237292
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:

Jeremy Campbell
Hi Ros Meeker, this has been a thing for you for quite a few years now. I’m not across the details but I don’t doubt for a minute that this card has horrendous consequences for the poor bastards who get put on it. But for mine it is just more shit from centrelink. I’m thinking Robodebt but also the treatment I got when I tried to deal with them regarding my mothers aged pension. I was literally told that they wouldn’t talk to or listen to me and that they wouldn’t listen to my mother. We walked out, and the cunt from centrelink was shocked that we did. They think they have you by the short and curlies, so resistance is not expected. I am on the record that I will top myself before I ever get to the point where I would have to ask centrelink for anything. You might hate Dutton, but Labor’s social security safety net is just as fucking bad. Broaden your campaign!
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Ros Meeker
This ceased ‘to be a thing for me’ when its death was prioritised by this govt. I am sorry Centrelink did not meet your expectations. You could have complained through channels. And as I said this is my first rant. You can choose to read on..or not.

The bots always do this stuff though, “each way is just as bad”, “what about”, “hey look at this shiny”, “we agree to please spend all yours time telling us more instead of doing something useful”, some content streams are ridiculous and we don’t have a ready solution.

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Date: 15/01/2025 19:35:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2237294
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Jeremy Campbell
Hi Ros Meeker, this has been a thing for you for quite a few years now. I’m not across the details but I don’t doubt for a minute that this card has horrendous consequences for the poor bastards who get put on it. But for mine it is just more shit from centrelink. I’m thinking Robodebt but also the treatment I got when I tried to deal with them regarding my mothers aged pension. I was literally told that they wouldn’t talk to or listen to me and that they wouldn’t listen to my mother. We walked out, and the cunt from centrelink was shocked that we did. They think they have you by the short and curlies, so resistance is not expected. I am on the record that I will top myself before I ever get to the point where I would have to ask centrelink for anything. You might hate Dutton, but Labor’s social security safety net is just as fucking bad. Broaden your campaign!
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Author
Ros Meeker
This ceased ‘to be a thing for me’ when its death was prioritised by this govt. I am sorry Centrelink did not meet your expectations. You could have complained through channels. And as I said this is my first rant. You can choose to read on..or not.

The bots always do this stuff though, “each way is just as bad”, “what about”, “hey look at this shiny”, “we agree to please spend all yours time telling us more instead of doing something useful”, some content streams are ridiculous and we don’t have a ready solution.

that’s my ex brother in law. I let him stay in my living room for four months once.

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Date: 15/01/2025 22:04:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237350
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Jeremy Campbell
Hi Ros Meeker, this has been a thing for you for quite a few years now. I’m not across the details but I don’t doubt for a minute that this card has horrendous consequences for the poor bastards who get put on it. But for mine it is just more shit from centrelink. I’m thinking Robodebt but also the treatment I got when I tried to deal with them regarding my mothers aged pension. I was literally told that they wouldn’t talk to or listen to me and that they wouldn’t listen to my mother. We walked out, and the cunt from centrelink was shocked that we did. They think they have you by the short and curlies, so resistance is not expected. I am on the record that I will top myself before I ever get to the point where I would have to ask centrelink for anything. You might hate Dutton, but Labor’s social security safety net is just as fucking bad. Broaden your campaign!
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Author
Ros Meeker
This ceased ‘to be a thing for me’ when its death was prioritised by this govt. I am sorry Centrelink did not meet your expectations. You could have complained through channels. And as I said this is my first rant. You can choose to read on..or not.

The bots always do this stuff though, “each way is just as bad”, “what about”, “hey look at this shiny”, “we agree to please spend all yours time telling us more instead of doing something useful”, some content streams are ridiculous and we don’t have a ready solution.

that’s my ex brother in law. I let him stay in my living room for four months once.

yeah sorry we’ve been reading too much twitterthreadsredditmastodonbluesky and the increase in the garbage we mention above is just astonishing

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Date: 15/01/2025 22:04:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237351
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/15/greater-sydney-council-bans-revealing-swimwear-sparking-debate-about-double-standards

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Date: 15/01/2025 22:10:48
From: party_pants
ID: 2237352
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/15/greater-sydney-council-bans-revealing-swimwear-sparking-debate-about-double-standards

Ho hum. Good luck coming up with a cast iron definition of what is OK and what is not.

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Date: 15/01/2025 22:27:10
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2237356
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


SCIENCE said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/15/greater-sydney-council-bans-revealing-swimwear-sparking-debate-about-double-standards

Ho hum. Good luck coming up with a cast iron definition of what is OK and what is not.

I think it will become clearer once sharia law comes in.

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Date: 15/01/2025 22:43:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237362
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/15/greater-sydney-council-bans-revealing-swimwear-sparking-debate-about-double-standards

Ho hum. Good luck coming up with a cast iron definition of what is OK and what is not.

I think it will become clearer once sharia law comes in.

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Date: 15/01/2025 22:55:51
From: dv
ID: 2237365
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


SCIENCE said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/15/greater-sydney-council-bans-revealing-swimwear-sparking-debate-about-double-standards

Ho hum. Good luck coming up with a cast iron definition of what is OK and what is not.

Cast iron is a class of iron–carbon alloys with a carbon content of more than 2% and silicon content around 1–3%.

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Date: 15/01/2025 23:04:52
From: dv
ID: 2237370
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/15/greater-sydney-council-bans-revealing-swimwear-sparking-debate-about-double-standards

Ho hum. Good luck coming up with a cast iron definition of what is OK and what is not.

I think it will become clearer once sharia law comes in.


“While any man would enjoy ‘the view’, I believe women are very much demeaning and cheapening themselves,” he reportedly wrote. He said he “innocently … admired a shapely bare bum” then felt “uncomfortable”.

See this is why they tell us to shut up…

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Date: 16/01/2025 00:02:55
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2237376
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/15/greater-sydney-council-bans-revealing-swimwear-sparking-debate-about-double-standards

Ho hum. Good luck coming up with a cast iron definition of what is OK and what is not.

I think it will become clearer once sharia law comes in.


Coming soon with every passing day

From the ASIO building looking out of the windows they will touch glasses and congratulate themselves for wiping out their civilisation.

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Date: 16/01/2025 16:15:51
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2237648
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

15 January 2025
Leonie Hiscutt MLC may have breached Liberal Party rules by campaigning for independent candidate, son
Rob Inglis

A senior government MLC may have breached party rules by openly supporting her son to succeed her in parliament instead of the preselected Liberal candidate.

Leonie Hiscutt, who has served as the member for Montgomery for 12 years and is the Leader of the Government in the Legislative Council, is set to retire in May and the Liberals have tapped former senator Stephen Parry to replace her.
But Ms Hiscutt’s son, Casey Hiscutt, a Central Coast councillor, is also vying to win the seat as an independent candidate and it appears his mother is backing him over Mr Parry.

Veteran Tasmanian Liberal MP Leonie Hiscutt has sparked outrage within her party, with claims she is flouting party rules by publicly campaigning for her son – Casey Hiscutt, an independent – to replace her. A photo of Leonie and her son, Casey Hiscutt, posted to Leonie’s Facebook account on Christmas Day, 2024. Picture: Facebook
Ms Hiscutt has been using her professional Facebook page to share her son’s posts from the campaign trail, promoting his work in the community.

On one occasion, it appears that Mr Hiscutt even officially represented his mother at a school assembly.
The Liberal Party constitution states that if a member actively assists an election candidate other than an endorsed Liberal, they will cease to be a member of the party and won’t be allowed to rejoin unless they are given the written consent of the state executive.

Liberal Party state director Sam McQuestin said the election period didn’t begin until the issuing of the writs but he told the Mercury he had spoken to Ms Hiscutt and “reminded her of her obligations under the constitution”.

Veteran Tasmanian Liberal MP Leonie Hiscutt has sparked outrage within her party, with claims she is flouting party rules by publicly campaigning for her son – Casey Hiscutt, an independent – to replace her.

Ms Hiscutt was contacted for comment.

Labor MP Josh Willie said the issue was a test for Premier Jeremy Rockliff’s leadership.

“It’s extraordinary that Premier Rockliff is allowing Leonie Hiscutt, a member of his government, a member of the Liberal Party, and Leader of the Government in the upper house, no less, to actively campaign against the Liberal Party,” he said.
“It shows weak leadership on his behalf. It’s in breach of the Liberal Party rules.”

Mr Willie said the May upper house elections would be crucial for the Liberals’ ongoing ability to govern.

Clarence Mayor Brendan Blomeley, who was dumped from the party last year after he initially failed to rule out running as an independent at the 2024 state election, said it was “hypocrisy writ large” that he had been automatically expelled from the Liberal Party while Ms Hiscutt appeared to face no punishment.

“Frankly, this state deserves so much better than what we’re getting as a result of the weak and pathetic leadership of Jeremy Rockliff,” he said.

Government minister Roger Jaensch said he backed Ms Hiscutt “100 per cent” and that questions over whether her support for her son amounted to a breach of party rules were a matter for the organisational wing of the Liberal Party.
“I think what we’ve got is a hardworking member of parliament who has announced her retirement at the end of this term, supporting her son, who has put his hand up to be elected in our democratic process,” he said.

“Which mother out there wouldn’t be supporting their son having a go?”

robert.inglis@news.com.au

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Date: 16/01/2025 16:19:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237650
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:

15 January 2025
Leonie Hiscutt MLC may have breached Liberal Party rules by campaigning for independent candidate, son
Rob Inglis

A senior government MLC may have breached party rules by openly supporting her son to succeed her in parliament instead of the preselected Liberal candidate.

Leonie Hiscutt, who has served as the member for Montgomery for 12 years and is the Leader of the Government in the Legislative Council, is set to retire in May and the Liberals have tapped former senator Stephen Parry to replace her.
But Ms Hiscutt’s son, Casey Hiscutt, a Central Coast councillor, is also vying to win the seat as an independent candidate and it appears his mother is backing him over Mr Parry.

Veteran Tasmanian Liberal MP Leonie Hiscutt has sparked outrage within her party, with claims she is flouting party rules by publicly campaigning for her son – Casey Hiscutt, an independent – to replace her. A photo of Leonie and her son, Casey Hiscutt, posted to Leonie’s Facebook account on Christmas Day, 2024. Picture: Facebook
Ms Hiscutt has been using her professional Facebook page to share her son’s posts from the campaign trail, promoting his work in the community.

On one occasion, it appears that Mr Hiscutt even officially represented his mother at a school assembly.
The Liberal Party constitution states that if a member actively assists an election candidate other than an endorsed Liberal, they will cease to be a member of the party and won’t be allowed to rejoin unless they are given the written consent of the state executive.

Liberal Party state director Sam McQuestin said the election period didn’t begin until the issuing of the writs but he told the Mercury he had spoken to Ms Hiscutt and “reminded her of her obligations under the constitution”.

Veteran Tasmanian Liberal MP Leonie Hiscutt has sparked outrage within her party, with claims she is flouting party rules by publicly campaigning for her son – Casey Hiscutt, an independent – to replace her.

Ms Hiscutt was contacted for comment.

Labor MP Josh Willie said the issue was a test for Premier Jeremy Rockliff’s leadership.

“It’s extraordinary that Premier Rockliff is allowing Leonie Hiscutt, a member of his government, a member of the Liberal Party, and Leader of the Government in the upper house, no less, to actively campaign against the Liberal Party,” he said.
“It shows weak leadership on his behalf. It’s in breach of the Liberal Party rules.”

Mr Willie said the May upper house elections would be crucial for the Liberals’ ongoing ability to govern.

Clarence Mayor Brendan Blomeley, who was dumped from the party last year after he initially failed to rule out running as an independent at the 2024 state election, said it was “hypocrisy writ large” that he had been automatically expelled from the Liberal Party while Ms Hiscutt appeared to face no punishment.

“Frankly, this state deserves so much better than what we’re getting as a result of the weak and pathetic leadership of Jeremy Rockliff,” he said.

Government minister Roger Jaensch said he backed Ms Hiscutt “100 per cent” and that questions over whether her support for her son amounted to a breach of party rules were a matter for the organisational wing of the Liberal Party.
“I think what we’ve got is a hardworking member of parliament who has announced her retirement at the end of this term, supporting her son, who has put his hand up to be elected in our democratic process,” he said.

“Which mother out there wouldn’t be supporting their son having a go?”

robert.inglis@news.com.au

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_is_thicker_than_water

but also how is that not the absolute definition of the corruption party, enrich your own at the expense of any other loyalty, bite the hand that feeds you if you must, backs are for stabbing

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Date: 16/01/2025 16:21:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 2237651
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

15 January 2025
Leonie Hiscutt MLC may have breached Liberal Party rules by campaigning for independent candidate, son
Rob Inglis

A senior government MLC may have breached party rules by openly supporting her son to succeed her in parliament instead of the preselected Liberal candidate.

Leonie Hiscutt, who has served as the member for Montgomery for 12 years and is the Leader of the Government in the Legislative Council, is set to retire in May and the Liberals have tapped former senator Stephen Parry to replace her.
But Ms Hiscutt’s son, Casey Hiscutt, a Central Coast councillor, is also vying to win the seat as an independent candidate and it appears his mother is backing him over Mr Parry.

Veteran Tasmanian Liberal MP Leonie Hiscutt has sparked outrage within her party, with claims she is flouting party rules by publicly campaigning for her son – Casey Hiscutt, an independent – to replace her. A photo of Leonie and her son, Casey Hiscutt, posted to Leonie’s Facebook account on Christmas Day, 2024. Picture: Facebook
Ms Hiscutt has been using her professional Facebook page to share her son’s posts from the campaign trail, promoting his work in the community.

On one occasion, it appears that Mr Hiscutt even officially represented his mother at a school assembly.
The Liberal Party constitution states that if a member actively assists an election candidate other than an endorsed Liberal, they will cease to be a member of the party and won’t be allowed to rejoin unless they are given the written consent of the state executive.

Liberal Party state director Sam McQuestin said the election period didn’t begin until the issuing of the writs but he told the Mercury he had spoken to Ms Hiscutt and “reminded her of her obligations under the constitution”.

Veteran Tasmanian Liberal MP Leonie Hiscutt has sparked outrage within her party, with claims she is flouting party rules by publicly campaigning for her son – Casey Hiscutt, an independent – to replace her.

Ms Hiscutt was contacted for comment.

Labor MP Josh Willie said the issue was a test for Premier Jeremy Rockliff’s leadership.

“It’s extraordinary that Premier Rockliff is allowing Leonie Hiscutt, a member of his government, a member of the Liberal Party, and Leader of the Government in the upper house, no less, to actively campaign against the Liberal Party,” he said.
“It shows weak leadership on his behalf. It’s in breach of the Liberal Party rules.”

Mr Willie said the May upper house elections would be crucial for the Liberals’ ongoing ability to govern.

Clarence Mayor Brendan Blomeley, who was dumped from the party last year after he initially failed to rule out running as an independent at the 2024 state election, said it was “hypocrisy writ large” that he had been automatically expelled from the Liberal Party while Ms Hiscutt appeared to face no punishment.

“Frankly, this state deserves so much better than what we’re getting as a result of the weak and pathetic leadership of Jeremy Rockliff,” he said.

Government minister Roger Jaensch said he backed Ms Hiscutt “100 per cent” and that questions over whether her support for her son amounted to a breach of party rules were a matter for the organisational wing of the Liberal Party.
“I think what we’ve got is a hardworking member of parliament who has announced her retirement at the end of this term, supporting her son, who has put his hand up to be elected in our democratic process,” he said.

“Which mother out there wouldn’t be supporting their son having a go?”

robert.inglis@news.com.au

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_is_thicker_than_water

but also how is that not the absolute definition of the corruption party, enrich your own at the expense of any other loyalty, bite the hand that feeds you if you must, backs are for stabbing

As they say, it is what it is.

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Date: 17/01/2025 08:32:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237830
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

yeah no fuck off we don’t agree that STEM should be done by team sports

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-16/nuclear-power-campaign-deploys-miss-america/104795806

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Date: 17/01/2025 08:41:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 2237833
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

yeah no fuck off we don’t agree that STEM should be done by team sports

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-16/nuclear-power-campaign-deploys-miss-america/104795806

I was wondering why nobody had mentioned this piece of news.

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Date: 17/01/2025 08:47:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237834
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

yeah no fuck off we don’t agree that STEM should be done by team sports

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-16/nuclear-power-campaign-deploys-miss-america/104795806

I was wondering why nobody had mentioned this piece of news.

sorry, we’re just getting up to date now, but yeah the text does seem to admit that they’re just trying to bring USSA poison over here

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Date: 17/01/2025 08:50:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237835
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/emergency-department-wait-times-blowout-hospital-health/104815792

Privatized Health Care Will Fix This ¡

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Date: 17/01/2025 09:48:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 2237869
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

yeah no fuck off we don’t agree that STEM should be done by team sports

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-16/nuclear-power-campaign-deploys-miss-america/104795806

I was wondering why nobody had mentioned this piece of news.

sorry, we’re just getting up to date now, but yeah the text does seem to admit that they’re just trying to bring USSA poison over here

Sex still sells, at least in the mind of Peter Dutton.

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Date: 17/01/2025 09:51:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237871
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

I was wondering why nobody had mentioned this piece of news.

sorry, we’re just getting up to date now, but yeah the text does seem to admit that they’re just trying to bring USSA poison over here

Sex still sells, at least in the mind of Peter Dutton.

so it’s a culture war tactic again, if you argue that nuclear is shit then you’re demeaning their woman because she supports it, and if you argue that it’s nothing to do with that because the economics are pretty clear then you’re demeaning their woman because you’re saying that STEM has nothing to do with their woman

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Date: 17/01/2025 16:02:20
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2238063
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Labor member for Lyons Rebecca White took aim at the state government, saying they could have done “far more” to keep the clinic open.
“The state budget showed the Liberals planned to cut $290 million from health this financial year, and that’s always going to have flow on effects for Tasmanians,” she said.
——

and that is how you can afford to build a stadium then.

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Date: 17/01/2025 17:18:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2238084
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

16 January 2025
Annual Australia Day controversy ‘frustrating’ for Tasmanian politicians

Bass Liberal MP Bridget Archer says she is “frustrated” by annual controversy around Australia Day after comments by party leader Peter Dutton.

Mr Dutton repeated his stance early January that, if elected at the upcoming federal election, his government would pass legislation forcing councils to hold citizenship ceremonies on Australia Day.

The Australian Citizenship Ceremonies code was updated by the Labor government in 2022, allowing councils to hold ceremonies three days before, or three days after January 26.

Ms Archer said she was not “interested in getting involved in that kind of outrage” over January 26, and called for rational discussion over the date and its commemoration.

“I’m respectful of the sense that for some people, that is not a day that can be celebrated, but the fact is, that is the date of Australia Day,” she said.

“I find it quite frustrating that we have these conversations in the two week lead up to Australia Day every year, and then we don’t talk about it the rest of the time.”

She said there were some practical benefits for elected representatives in giving councils flexibility, like being able to attend multiple events in her electorate which covers five local government areas.

And, as a former mayor, Ms Archer said there were logistical considerations for councils too – local governments would be on the hook for increased staffing costs if they were forced to hold ceremonies on a public holiday or weekend.

The City of Launceston council passed a motion in 2019 that it would conduct its Australia Day-related civic functions on January 25 out of respect for the Aboriginal community.

Mayor Matthew Garwood said this was a decision that was guided by conversations with the community, and the decision remained in effect.

The Australian Open has sparked mixed reactions among fans by using AI to sidestep broadcast restrictions and stream live matches on YouTube with the tournament’s tennis players appearing as Nintendo Mii-like cartoon avatars. This video includes ACM-produced voiceover powered by AI.

He said it was inappropriate to discuss any changes to council policy without first putting the matter to other councillors.
“I’d be very interested to see how the greater community of Australia really reacts to these statements made by the Opposition Leader,” Cr Garwood said.

“As always we will be guided by the processes and protocols from the federal government at the time. For me, personally, people can celebrate however they want.”

The Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre rubbished the Opposition Leader’s plans, issuing a statement describing the proposed legislation as an “attack on local governments” and was emblematic of a worldview that was “out of touch with modern Australia”.

“It is clear that Peter Dutton’s actions are not about preserving tradition but about perpetuating division and ignoring the voices of Aboriginal people,” the statement said.

“By clinging to outdated practices, he risks alienating the majority of Australians who are ready to embrace a future built on mutual respect and understanding.”

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Date: 17/01/2025 19:46:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2238125
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

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Date: 17/01/2025 19:51:52
From: Michael V
ID: 2238126
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

Dutton’s influence, hey.

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Date: 17/01/2025 19:55:03
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2238128
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

Dutton’s influence, hey.

It’s a shitty party policy.

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Date: 17/01/2025 20:15:54
From: Michael V
ID: 2238131
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

Dutton’s influence, hey.

It’s a shitty party policy.

Unthoughtful, rude and divisive.

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Date: 17/01/2025 20:31:24
From: dv
ID: 2238135
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

Aw bless does she really think she has a chance of being Premier?

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Date: 17/01/2025 20:58:55
From: Michael V
ID: 2238139
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

Aw bless does she really think she has a chance of being Premier?

I have no idea what she is thinking.

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Date: 18/01/2025 10:55:18
From: party_pants
ID: 2238293
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:01:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 2238299
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

There have been competitions but I haven’t really seen any of the designs taken up. We still fly the silly bit of the UK stuck in the corner and we haven’t included the Aboriginal colours with our own southern cross.

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:17:43
From: party_pants
ID: 2238312
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

There have been competitions but I haven’t really seen any of the designs taken up. We still fly the silly bit of the UK stuck in the corner and we haven’t included the Aboriginal colours with our own southern cross.

I like the general format of the NT and ACT flags. I’ve seen a good one to replace the WA state flag. I’d like something that format as a national flag too, but haven’t seen one yet, apart from my own drawings.

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:21:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2238313
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

^

” seems “ though

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:25:34
From: party_pants
ID: 2238314
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

There have been competitions but I haven’t really seen any of the designs taken up. We still fly the silly bit of the UK stuck in the corner and we haven’t included the Aboriginal colours with our own southern cross.

I like the general format of the NT and ACT flags. I’ve seen a good one to replace the WA state flag. I’d like something that format as a national flag too, but haven’t seen one yet, apart from my own drawings.

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:29:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2238318
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

There have been competitions but I haven’t really seen any of the designs taken up. We still fly the silly bit of the UK stuck in the corner and we haven’t included the Aboriginal colours with our own southern cross.

I like the general format of the NT and ACT flags. I’ve seen a good one to replace the WA state flag. I’d like something that format as a national flag too, but haven’t seen one yet, apart from my own drawings.

wait

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:30:59
From: Michael V
ID: 2238319
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

There have been competitions but I haven’t really seen any of the designs taken up. We still fly the silly bit of the UK stuck in the corner and we haven’t included the Aboriginal colours with our own southern cross.

I like the general format of the NT and ACT flags. I’ve seen a good one to replace the WA state flag. I’d like something that format as a national flag too, but haven’t seen one yet, apart from my own drawings.

Sounds fair.

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:33:04
From: kii
ID: 2238322
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

They don’t want unity. They want to display their racism to all the mouth breathers.

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:34:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2238324
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Australian flag is terrific it represents the future as all people embracing the southern cross regardless of creed or colour while acknowledging our past.
You compare it to Canadas dead leaf.

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:37:05
From: party_pants
ID: 2238326
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


The Australian flag is terrific it represents the future as all people embracing the southern cross regardless of creed or colour while acknowledging our past.
You compare it to Canadas dead leaf.

Canada’s flag is genius.

apart from the used of red and white, which so many other countries also use.

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:47:30
From: Michael V
ID: 2238331
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

kii said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

They don’t want unity. They want to display their racism to all the mouth breathers.

What’s wrong with breathing through my mouth?

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:47:31
From: Michael V
ID: 2238332
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

kii said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

WA’s Liberal leader, Libby Mettam, has echoed the pledge of federal Opposition Leader Petter Dutton to not stand in front of the Aboriginal flag at media events if elected to the top office in March.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-17/wa-liberal-leader-libby-mettam-aboriginal-flag/104829360

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

They don’t want unity. They want to display their racism to all the mouth breathers.

What’s wrong with breathing through my mouth?

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Date: 18/01/2025 11:51:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2238333
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:

kii said:

party_pants said:

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

They don’t want unity. They want to display their racism to all the mouth breathers.

What’s wrong with breathing through my mouth?

it’s considered an acceptable insult because proper people on the high road breathe through the blastopore

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:03:06
From: party_pants
ID: 2238340
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


kii said:

party_pants said:

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

They don’t want unity. They want to display their racism to all the mouth breathers.

What’s wrong with breathing through my mouth?

In polite society one breathes through ones nose. Breathing audibly through the mouth is considered uncouth and bad manners.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:04:39
From: Arts
ID: 2238341
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

kii said:

They don’t want unity. They want to display their racism to all the mouth breathers.

What’s wrong with breathing through my mouth?

In polite society one breathes through ones nose. Breathing audibly through the mouth is considered uncouth and bad manners.

English lexicographer Jonathon Green notes that by 1915, the phrase “mouth-breather” had developed a pejorative connotation within English slang, defined as a “stupid person”. Currently, the Macmillan Dictionary defines the term “mouth breather” as a pejorative noun that is used to mean “a stupid person.”

Wiki

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:08:17
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2238343
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

What’s wrong with breathing through my mouth?

In polite society one breathes through ones nose. Breathing audibly through the mouth is considered uncouth and bad manners.

English lexicographer Jonathon Green notes that by 1915, the phrase “mouth-breather” had developed a pejorative connotation within English slang, defined as a “stupid person”. Currently, the Macmillan Dictionary defines the term “mouth breather” as a pejorative noun that is used to mean “a stupid person.”

Wiki

unfortunately it lumps people who, for whatever reason, find nose breathing difficult even though they may be otherwise intelligent.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:09:47
From: party_pants
ID: 2238344
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Arts said:

party_pants said:

In polite society one breathes through ones nose. Breathing audibly through the mouth is considered uncouth and bad manners.

English lexicographer Jonathon Green notes that by 1915, the phrase “mouth-breather” had developed a pejorative connotation within English slang, defined as a “stupid person”. Currently, the Macmillan Dictionary defines the term “mouth breather” as a pejorative noun that is used to mean “a stupid person.”

Wiki

unfortunately it lumps people who, for whatever reason, find nose breathing difficult even though they may be otherwise intelligent.

Yes, society can be cruel sometimes.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:09:49
From: Arts
ID: 2238345
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Arts said:

party_pants said:

In polite society one breathes through ones nose. Breathing audibly through the mouth is considered uncouth and bad manners.

English lexicographer Jonathon Green notes that by 1915, the phrase “mouth-breather” had developed a pejorative connotation within English slang, defined as a “stupid person”. Currently, the Macmillan Dictionary defines the term “mouth breather” as a pejorative noun that is used to mean “a stupid person.”

Wiki

unfortunately it lumps people who, for whatever reason, find nose breathing difficult even though they may be otherwise intelligent.

Take it up with 1915

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:13:35
From: Michael V
ID: 2238350
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

kii said:

They don’t want unity. They want to display their racism to all the mouth breathers.

What’s wrong with breathing through my mouth?

In polite society one breathes through ones nose. Breathing audibly through the mouth is considered uncouth and bad manners.

Oh, good thing I mostly hide away at home. I often have a blocked nose. Sometimes for weeks at a time.

I don’t pant, though.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:14:33
From: Michael V
ID: 2238352
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

What’s wrong with breathing through my mouth?

In polite society one breathes through ones nose. Breathing audibly through the mouth is considered uncouth and bad manners.

English lexicographer Jonathon Green notes that by 1915, the phrase “mouth-breather” had developed a pejorative connotation within English slang, defined as a “stupid person”. Currently, the Macmillan Dictionary defines the term “mouth breather” as a pejorative noun that is used to mean “a stupid person.”

Wiki

I’m sorry. I can’t help being stupid. I do try not to be, but clearly it’s not successful.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:15:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2238354
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Arts said:

party_pants said:

In polite society one breathes through ones nose. Breathing audibly through the mouth is considered uncouth and bad manners.

English lexicographer Jonathon Green notes that by 1915, the phrase “mouth-breather” had developed a pejorative connotation within English slang, defined as a “stupid person”. Currently, the Macmillan Dictionary defines the term “mouth breather” as a pejorative noun that is used to mean “a stupid person.”

Wiki

I’m sorry. I can’t help being stupid. I do try not to be, but clearly it’s not successful.

we’re a broad church here.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:20:27
From: Arts
ID: 2238359
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Arts said:

party_pants said:

In polite society one breathes through ones nose. Breathing audibly through the mouth is considered uncouth and bad manners.

English lexicographer Jonathon Green notes that by 1915, the phrase “mouth-breather” had developed a pejorative connotation within English slang, defined as a “stupid person”. Currently, the Macmillan Dictionary defines the term “mouth breather” as a pejorative noun that is used to mean “a stupid person.”

Wiki

I’m sorry. I can’t help being stupid. I do try not to be, but clearly it’s not successful.

It’s not all about you. Don’t take it personally. It’s just a term used to be derogatory. Like when someone gets called a Karen. It’s not about the Karens of the world.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:22:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2238360
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

English lexicographer Jonathon Green notes that by 1915, the phrase “mouth-breather” had developed a pejorative connotation within English slang, defined as a “stupid person”. Currently, the Macmillan Dictionary defines the term “mouth breather” as a pejorative noun that is used to mean “a stupid person.”

Wiki

I’m sorry. I can’t help being stupid. I do try not to be, but clearly it’s not successful.

It’s not all about you. Don’t take it personally. It’s just a term used to be derogatory. Like when someone gets called a Karen. It’s not about the Karens of the world.

What’s the male equivalent of a ‘Karen’?

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:25:19
From: party_pants
ID: 2238361
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

I’m sorry. I can’t help being stupid. I do try not to be, but clearly it’s not successful.

It’s not all about you. Don’t take it personally. It’s just a term used to be derogatory. Like when someone gets called a Karen. It’s not about the Karens of the world.

What’s the male equivalent of a ‘Karen’?

Is there one? I though “Karens” were a distinctively female personality type

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:27:30
From: kii
ID: 2238363
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

English lexicographer Jonathon Green notes that by 1915, the phrase “mouth-breather” had developed a pejorative connotation within English slang, defined as a “stupid person”. Currently, the Macmillan Dictionary defines the term “mouth breather” as a pejorative noun that is used to mean “a stupid person.”

Wiki

I’m sorry. I can’t help being stupid. I do try not to be, but clearly it’s not successful.

It’s not all about you. Don’t take it personally. It’s just a term used to be derogatory. Like when someone gets called a Karen. It’s not about the Karens of the world.

Funny thing, for a while the name “Susan” was also used to describe the women who were rude to waiters and always demanding to see the manager.
My oldest sister has always been a superficial twat around shop assistants, waiters etc. Very patronising. Very embarrassing.
Her first name is Susan and her middle name is Karen.
Lololol 😆

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:29:56
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2238365
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

It’s not all about you. Don’t take it personally. It’s just a term used to be derogatory. Like when someone gets called a Karen. It’s not about the Karens of the world.

What’s the male equivalent of a ‘Karen’?

Is there one? I though “Karens” were a distinctively female personality type

I reckon there’s some of the male version around.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:31:01
From: kii
ID: 2238366
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

It’s not all about you. Don’t take it personally. It’s just a term used to be derogatory. Like when someone gets called a Karen. It’s not about the Karens of the world.

What’s the male equivalent of a ‘Karen’?

Is there one? I though “Karens” were a distinctively female personality type

Chad. Many men can be very patronising towards and demanding of service staff.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:33:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 2238367
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

If they want one flag which unites all of the nation behind it, why not design a new one to replace the old colonial souvenir tea-towel? Seems moronic that they think this flag represents everyone.

There have been competitions but I haven’t really seen any of the designs taken up. We still fly the silly bit of the UK stuck in the corner and we haven’t included the Aboriginal colours with our own southern cross.

I like the general format of the NT and ACT flags. I’ve seen a good one to replace the WA state flag. I’d like something that format as a national flag too, but haven’t seen one yet, apart from my own drawings.


Yes. There is some progress and I agree we should do something about thenational and other state flags.
There would be no flag to hide from if they were incorporated together.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:34:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 2238369
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

There have been competitions but I haven’t really seen any of the designs taken up. We still fly the silly bit of the UK stuck in the corner and we haven’t included the Aboriginal colours with our own southern cross.

I like the general format of the NT and ACT flags. I’ve seen a good one to replace the WA state flag. I’d like something that format as a national flag too, but haven’t seen one yet, apart from my own drawings.

Interesting thoughts.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:34:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2238370
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

kii said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

What’s the male equivalent of a ‘Karen’?

Is there one? I though “Karens” were a distinctively female personality type

Chad. Many men can be very patronising towards and demanding of service staff.

Oh. I thought ‘Chads’ were square-jawed blokes (many of whom cannot bring themselves to deal with a razor more than twice a month) who were focussed on making everyone aware of what a manly man they are.

But, yeah, ‘Chad’ works.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:35:15
From: Michael V
ID: 2238371
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

kii said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

I’m sorry. I can’t help being stupid. I do try not to be, but clearly it’s not successful.

It’s not all about you. Don’t take it personally. It’s just a term used to be derogatory. Like when someone gets called a Karen. It’s not about the Karens of the world.

Funny thing, for a while the name “Susan” was also used to describe the women who were rude to waiters and always demanding to see the manager.
My oldest sister has always been a superficial twat around shop assistants, waiters etc. Very patronising. Very embarrassing.
Her first name is Susan and her middle name is Karen.
Lololol 😆

Ha!

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:36:15
From: Arts
ID: 2238372
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

It’s not all about you. Don’t take it personally. It’s just a term used to be derogatory. Like when someone gets called a Karen. It’s not about the Karens of the world.

What’s the male equivalent of a ‘Karen’?

Is there one? I though “Karens” were a distinctively female personality type

Wiki says Ken and Kevin are acceptable variables that have been used.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:37:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2238373
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

There have been competitions but I haven’t really seen any of the designs taken up. We still fly the silly bit of the UK stuck in the corner and we haven’t included the Aboriginal colours with our own southern cross.

I like the general format of the NT and ACT flags. I’ve seen a good one to replace the WA state flag. I’d like something that format as a national flag too, but haven’t seen one yet, apart from my own drawings.


Yes. There is some progress and I agree we should do something about thenational and other state flags.
There would be no flag to hide from if they were incorporated together.

As i’ve mentioned before, there’s an (unwritten) rule in vexillology (the study of flags) that a good flag design is one of which most 7- or 8- years olds can draw a reasonable facsimile, from memory.

Keep it simple.

Also, no writing on flags. Yes, some present flags have writing on them, and they are mostly terrible designs.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:38:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2238374
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

What’s the male equivalent of a ‘Karen’?

Is there one? I though “Karens” were a distinctively female personality type

Wiki says Ken and Kevin are acceptable variables that have been used.

Those, i like.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:38:37
From: Arts
ID: 2238375
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


kii said:

party_pants said:

Is there one? I though “Karens” were a distinctively female personality type

Chad. Many men can be very patronising towards and demanding of service staff.

Oh. I thought ‘Chads’ were square-jawed blokes (many of whom cannot bring themselves to deal with a razor more than twice a month) who were focussed on making everyone aware of what a manly man they are.

But, yeah, ‘Chad’ works.

Incels use that term to denote someone who is genetically superior or ‘alpha’. The Chad is their enemy because girls like chads and not the incel.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:40:03
From: dv
ID: 2238376
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

I like the general format of the NT and ACT flags. I’ve seen a good one to replace the WA state flag. I’d like something that format as a national flag too, but haven’t seen one yet, apart from my own drawings.


Yes. There is some progress and I agree we should do something about thenational and other state flags.
There would be no flag to hide from if they were incorporated together.

As i’ve mentioned before, there’s an (unwritten) rule in vexillology (the study of flags) that a good flag design is one of which most 7- or 8- years olds can draw a reasonable facsimile, from memory.

Keep it simple.

Also, no writing on flags. Yes, some present flags have writing on them, and they are mostly terrible designs.

OTOH I wouldn’t want it to be too simple or boring, like just basic stripes.

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:41:00
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2238378
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


captain_spalding said:

kii said:

Chad. Many men can be very patronising towards and demanding of service staff.

Oh. I thought ‘Chads’ were square-jawed blokes (many of whom cannot bring themselves to deal with a razor more than twice a month) who were focussed on making everyone aware of what a manly man they are.

But, yeah, ‘Chad’ works.

Incels use that term to denote someone who is genetically superior or ‘alpha’. The Chad is their enemy because girls like chads and not the incel.

Incels need a smack on the back of the head.

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Date: 18/01/2025 13:10:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 2238401
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

I like the general format of the NT and ACT flags. I’ve seen a good one to replace the WA state flag. I’d like something that format as a national flag too, but haven’t seen one yet, apart from my own drawings.


Yes. There is some progress and I agree we should do something about thenational and other state flags.
There would be no flag to hide from if they were incorporated together.

As i’ve mentioned before, there’s an (unwritten) rule in vexillology (the study of flags) that a good flag design is one of which most 7- or 8- years olds can draw a reasonable facsimile, from memory.

Keep it simple.

Also, no writing on flags. Yes, some present flags have writing on them, and they are mostly terrible designs.

Yep.

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Date: 18/01/2025 13:35:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2238414
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

Oh. I thought ‘Chads’ were square-jawed blokes (many of whom cannot bring themselves to deal with a razor more than twice a month) who were focussed on making everyone aware of what a manly man they are.

But, yeah, ‘Chad’ works.

Incels use that term to denote someone who is genetically superior or ‘alpha’. The Chad is their enemy because girls like chads and not the incel.

Incels need a smack on the back of the head.

excels are a far better choice

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Date: 18/01/2025 13:35:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2238415
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

southern Cross in gold on black field. also, black and gold replacing green and gold. that woud look a lot smarter

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Date: 18/01/2025 13:50:14
From: Michael V
ID: 2238429
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:


captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

Incels use that term to denote someone who is genetically superior or ‘alpha’. The Chad is their enemy because girls like chads and not the incel.

Incels need a smack on the back of the head.

excels are a far better choice

Yes, Rev.

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Date: 18/01/2025 14:03:34
From: kii
ID: 2238434
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


southern Cross in gold on black field. also, black and gold replacing green and gold. that woud look a lot smarter

The green and gold theme is naff. It’s not the green of Australian native plants.

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Date: 18/01/2025 14:15:14
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2238440
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

kii said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

What’s the male equivalent of a ‘Karen’?

Is there one? I though “Karens” were a distinctively female personality type

Chad. Many men can be very patronising towards and demanding of service staff.

Chads and Stacies flaunt their sex lives to poor Incels.

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Date: 18/01/2025 14:19:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2238441
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

kii said:


sarahs mum said:

southern Cross in gold on black field. also, black and gold replacing green and gold. that woud look a lot smarter

The green and gold theme is naff. It’s not the green of Australian native plants.

they’ve picked some awful green tones over the years.

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Date: 18/01/2025 14:23:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2238442
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Witty Rejoinder said:


kii said:

party_pants said:

Is there one? I though “Karens” were a distinctively female personality type

Chad. Many men can be very patronising towards and demanding of service staff.

Chads and Stacies flaunt their sex lives to poor Incels.

Good too see Arts and I are on the same page.

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Date: 18/01/2025 14:29:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2238443
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Witty Rejoinder said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

kii said:

Chad. Many men can be very patronising towards and demanding of service staff.

Chads and Stacies flaunt their sex lives to poor Incels.

Good too see Arts and I are on the same page.

Until comparatively recently, the offical national colours for Australia were blue and gold.

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Date: 18/01/2025 14:33:03
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2238444
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Chads and Stacies flaunt their sex lives to poor Incels.

Good too see Arts and I are on the same page.

Until comparatively recently, the offical national colours for Australia were blue and gold.


I blame Alan Bond.

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Date: 18/01/2025 15:56:57
From: dv
ID: 2238471
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

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Date: 18/01/2025 15:59:40
From: Michael V
ID: 2238474
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:



Oh, good.

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Date: 18/01/2025 16:02:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2238476
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:



he wasn’t the right candidate for Bradfield.
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Date: 18/01/2025 16:45:08
From: dv
ID: 2238486
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Hospitals used to be free also in Qld paid for by the Golden Casket.
They were the days.

What’s the situation now?

Moved to a more appropriate thread.

Serious question. Are hospitals in Qld all pay-to-stay privatised now? I haven’t lived there for a long time. What are you referring to?

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Date: 18/01/2025 16:51:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2238487
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Hospitals used to be free also in Qld paid for by the Golden Casket.
They were the days.

What’s the situation now?

Moved to a more appropriate thread.

Serious question. Are hospitals in Qld all pay-to-stay privatised now? I haven’t lived there for a long time. What are you referring to?

I don’t know, my one and only stay in a hospital a while back was free, but I’m a pensioner.

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Date: 18/01/2025 16:52:44
From: Ian
ID: 2238488
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Hospitals used to be free also in Qld paid for by the Golden Casket.
They were the days.

What’s the situation now?

Moved to a more appropriate thread.

Serious question. Are hospitals in Qld all pay-to-stay privatised now? I haven’t lived there for a long time. What are you referring to?

They’re much the same as the other states afaik.

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Date: 18/01/2025 16:55:47
From: dv
ID: 2238489
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I don’t have hosp insurance but I do get “extras” insurance for the glasses and dentistry, and ambo cover is included.

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Date: 18/01/2025 17:31:15
From: Arts
ID: 2238493
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


I don’t have hosp insurance but I do get “extras” insurance for the glasses and dentistry, and ambo cover is included.

We have hospital and ambo only. We do not have extras. This has not done us wrong in the last few years.
The hosp and ambo bills are the ones that hit hard and big while extras can usually be paid off in our experience if you need to.
And private hospital stays are nicer.

(I was in two private a one public hospital over that last few weeks .. private far superior in every way).

Anyway, I also had a patient transfer from FSH to the mount where they did the surgery , we have not received a bill for that

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Date: 18/01/2025 17:41:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2238495
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:

private far superior in every way

¿wait what so all those doctors telling us that {if you needed serious specialist care then public would be far better resourced to provide it} were barefacedly lying to us?

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Date: 18/01/2025 17:57:40
From: Arts
ID: 2238497
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

private far superior in every way

¿wait what so all those doctors telling us that {if you needed serious specialist care then public would be far better resourced to provide it} were barefacedly lying to us?

I can obviously only share my experience but while I was in FSH there was chatter about having to wait for a theatre, available staff, surgeon and anaesthesiologist availability and alignment. Etc. a number of doctors can in with several different working plans (including sending me home for a week or so so they could schedule the surgery)
once we got in contact with the cardio thoracic surgeon who uses the mount (private) as his surgery the wheels moved very quickly.

Ime private was ‘better resourced’ (if we are equating that to speed of surgery)

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Date: 18/01/2025 18:10:36
From: Ian
ID: 2238503
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

private far superior in every way

¿wait what so all those doctors telling us that {if you needed serious specialist care then public would be far better resourced to provide it} were barefacedly lying to us?

Private gets you a single room and faster service maybe.

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Date: 18/01/2025 18:12:11
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2238505
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

private far superior in every way

¿wait what so all those doctors telling us that {if you needed serious specialist care then public would be far better resourced to provide it} were barefacedly lying to us?

I can obviously only share my experience but while I was in FSH there was chatter about having to wait for a theatre, available staff, surgeon and anaesthesiologist availability and alignment. Etc. a number of doctors can in with several different working plans (including sending me home for a week or so so they could schedule the surgery)
once we got in contact with the cardio thoracic surgeon who uses the mount (private) as his surgery the wheels moved very quickly.

Ime private was ‘better resourced’ (if we are equating that to speed of surgery)

Public patients have to wait in line based on seriousness of the situation.

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Date: 18/01/2025 18:16:03
From: dv
ID: 2238506
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I’ve only had experience with RPH here in Perth, first when I broke me arm and then when my osteoarthritis became acute. I could scarcely have asked for more prompt treatment or informative staff.

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Date: 18/01/2025 18:18:59
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2238508
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

private far superior in every way

¿wait what so all those doctors telling us that {if you needed serious specialist care then public would be far better resourced to provide it} were barefacedly lying to us?

Private gets you a single room and faster service maybe.

I had a single room last time I was in hospital. I was at the end of the corridor. they forgot about me because I never rang for room service. I was on IV antibiotics. When it ran out it would buzz, apparently. nurse came in and apologised for the buzzing. what buzzing? can’t you hear that? no, i’m a little deaf. Oh, good.

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Date: 18/01/2025 18:29:10
From: Ian
ID: 2238509
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

¿wait what so all those doctors telling us that {if you needed serious specialist care then public would be far better resourced to provide it} were barefacedly lying to us?

Private gets you a single room and faster service maybe.

I had a single room last time I was in hospital. I was at the end of the corridor. they forgot about me because I never rang for room service. I was on IV antibiotics. When it ran out it would buzz, apparently. nurse came in and apologised for the buzzing. what buzzing? can’t you hear that? no, i’m a little deaf. Oh, good.

Forgot about you.. deaf.. That’s what they told you.. hmmm

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Date: 18/01/2025 18:31:55
From: Neophyte
ID: 2238510
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Ian said:

Private gets you a single room and faster service maybe.

I had a single room last time I was in hospital. I was at the end of the corridor. they forgot about me because I never rang for room service. I was on IV antibiotics. When it ran out it would buzz, apparently. nurse came in and apologised for the buzzing. what buzzing? can’t you hear that? no, i’m a little deaf. Oh, good.

Forgot about you.. deaf.. That’s what they told you.. hmmm

Did they ask if you have a boat?

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Date: 18/01/2025 18:34:05
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2238511
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

¿wait what so all those doctors telling us that {if you needed serious specialist care then public would be far better resourced to provide it} were barefacedly lying to us?

Private gets you a single room and faster service maybe.

I had a single room last time I was in hospital. I was at the end of the corridor. they forgot about me because I never rang for room service. I was on IV antibiotics. When it ran out it would buzz, apparently. nurse came in and apologised for the buzzing. what buzzing? can’t you hear that? no, i’m a little deaf. Oh, good.

Well if you bring in a new broom, they’re likely to throw the baby out with the bath water and you could find yourself up the creek without a paddle, and then the balloon might go up.

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Date: 18/01/2025 18:45:02
From: Arts
ID: 2238515
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I think, in all, we still have a decent system. There might be cracks, but at least when the shit hits the fan we get seen to and none of us fear a $30000 bill at the end, potentially crippling many people financially for a long time.

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Date: 18/01/2025 18:48:10
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2238518
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


I think, in all, we still have a decent system. There might be cracks, but at least when the shit hits the fan we get seen to and none of us fear a $30000 bill at the end, potentially crippling many people financially for a long time.

we do. never cost me a cent for the three times i’ve been inside.

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Date: 18/01/2025 18:49:20
From: Michael V
ID: 2238519
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


I think, in all, we still have a decent system. There might be cracks, but at least when the shit hits the fan we get seen to and none of us fear a $30000 bill at the end, potentially crippling many people financially for a long time.

Mrs V’s knee cost us $23 k. We had to pay $25 k up front. We were refunded $2 k.

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Date: 18/01/2025 19:21:44
From: Arts
ID: 2238535
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Arts said:

I think, in all, we still have a decent system. There might be cracks, but at least when the shit hits the fan we get seen to and none of us fear a $30000 bill at the end, potentially crippling many people financially for a long time.

Mrs V’s knee cost us $23 k. We had to pay $25 k up front. We were refunded $2 k.

Well I don’t know what to say about that. Or why that was.

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Date: 18/01/2025 19:22:03
From: kryten
ID: 2238536
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

private far superior in every way

¿wait what so all those doctors telling us that {if you needed serious specialist care then public would be far better resourced to provide it} were barefacedly lying to us?

Private gets you a single room and faster service maybe.

We have Hospital only private insurance. It took over 130 days on the public waiting list. supposedly 60 – 90 days. We private it took 6 weeks to have 4 procedures and the only out of pocket was the anesthetists and do they know how to charge. I have lifetime ambulance cover but sometimes have had to pull strings to get ambulance transport. They might get you to a bigger hospital, but forget about returning you home

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Date: 18/01/2025 19:30:20
From: dv
ID: 2238538
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

I think, in all, we still have a decent system. There might be cracks, but at least when the shit hits the fan we get seen to and none of us fear a $30000 bill at the end, potentially crippling many people financially for a long time.

Mrs V’s knee cost us $23 k. We had to pay $25 k up front. We were refunded $2 k.

Well I don’t know what to say about that. Or why that was.

What did she have done to knee?

I’ve considered having knee replacement done here. The cost to me would be zero point nowt.

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Date: 18/01/2025 19:30:49
From: Ian
ID: 2238539
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Arts said:

I think, in all, we still have a decent system. There might be cracks, but at least when the shit hits the fan we get seen to and none of us fear a $30000 bill at the end, potentially crippling many people financially for a long time.

we do. never cost me a cent for the three times i’ve been inside.

Likewise

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Date: 18/01/2025 19:35:01
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2238540
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

Mrs V’s knee cost us $23 k. We had to pay $25 k up front. We were refunded $2 k.

Well I don’t know what to say about that. Or why that was.

What did she have done to knee?

I’ve considered having knee replacement done here. The cost to me would be zero point nowt.

I’d get mine done in reverse just to freak people out.

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Date: 18/01/2025 19:40:19
From: dv
ID: 2238541
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


dv said:

Arts said:

Well I don’t know what to say about that. Or why that was.

What did she have done to knee?

I’ve considered having knee replacement done here. The cost to me would be zero point nowt.

I’d get mine done in reverse just to freak people out.

Would help with my cassowary cosplay

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Date: 18/01/2025 19:43:06
From: Ian
ID: 2238542
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

Mrs V’s knee cost us $23 k. We had to pay $25 k up front. We were refunded $2 k.

Well I don’t know what to say about that. Or why that was.

What did she have done to knee?

I’ve considered having knee replacement done here. The cost to me would be zero point nowt.

Synovial Fluid Replacement procedure is becoming available soon I think.

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Date: 18/01/2025 19:44:06
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2238545
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

What did she have done to knee?

I’ve considered having knee replacement done here. The cost to me would be zero point nowt.

I’d get mine done in reverse just to freak people out.

Would help with my cassowary cosplay

you do have the legs for it.

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Date: 18/01/2025 19:45:44
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2238547
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Witty Rejoinder said:

Public patients have to wait in line based on seriousness of the situation.

Aye, there’s the rub.

In Toowoomba, St. Andrews Hospital (private), which has no emergency depatment, can be relied upon to attend to your surgery on a schedule arranged in a most genteel way.

Toowoomba Hospital (public), which does have an emergency department, would like to do the same, but people will insist on running their cars into other vehicles and various other objects, falling off high places, getting kicked by horses, crashing helicopters, burning their houses down, etc. etc. etc., necessitating constant reassessment of surgical schedules.

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Date: 18/01/2025 20:21:11
From: Michael V
ID: 2238556
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

Mrs V’s knee cost us $23 k. We had to pay $25 k up front. We were refunded $2 k.

Well I don’t know what to say about that. Or why that was.

What did she have done to knee?

I’ve considered having knee replacement done here. The cost to me would be zero point nowt.

Knee replacement.

Most successful. She followed Orthopedic surgeon’s instructions to the letter both before and after surgery.

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Date: 19/01/2025 13:42:29
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2238764
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Trouble in paradise:

Dutton pledges tax breaks, as Mundine camp declares ‘war’ over failed Liberal preselection

By Paul Sakkal
January 18, 2025 — 10.30pm

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton will promise tax offsets for work lunches in his first commitment of the election year, but he faces internal instability after a bruising preselection stoush in a key Sydney seat.

Dutton will hold a rally in Brisbane on Sunday, after a similar event in Melbourne last week, to demonstrate the Coalition’s attachment to its core small business constituency, promising tax deductions of up to $20,000 for meal and entertainment expenses for companies with turnover of less than $10 million.

The measure, which will run for two years, will apply to dining and entertainment for clients, vendors, and employees, Dutton will say in a speech provided to this masthead in advance.

Alcohol will be exempt and Fringe Benefits Tax will not apply

“We want other small businesses to spend more at their local cafes, clubs and pubs. And if they can take their employees to the venues and pay for a meal as part of a milestone sales event or acknowledgement for their hard work, then it is a win-win for both businesses,” Dutton is expected to say, promising the policy will help business “recover from a horrible period under three years of Labor”.

Dutton, who was criticised for not revealing new policies in last week’s speech, will be speaking in inner-city Brisbane, where he is keen to reclaim the seats of Brisbane and Ryan from the Greens.

In Brisbane’s suburbs, the Coalition believes it can steal the seat of Blair from Labor. Further away, Labor is hopeful of winning Leichhardt, in Cairns, from the opposition.

But the opposition leader may face an intra-party headache as conservatives lick their wounds following Indigenous advocate Nyunggai Warren Mundine’s preselection loss to tech executive Gisele Kapterian in the Sydney seat of Bradfield on Saturday.

The contest, in the seat held by retiring Liberal MP Paul Fletcher, pitted the party’s right-wing establishment against former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian and previous treasurer Joe Hockey, who supported Kapterian. Former prime minister Tony Abbott was making calls to party members encouraging a vote for Mundine, according to three sources involved in the preselection, while deputy Liberal leader Sussan Ley backed Kapterian.

Mundine’s opponents were worried his candidacy would result in the Liberals losing the seat because his conservative views, and advocacy against the Voice to parliament, may have jarred with voters in the only Liberal seat that voted in favour of the Voice referendum question in 2023.

Mundine said in a widely distributed statement after the vote that he wished the winner all the best. But in comments to this masthead he expressed frustration about reports of “treachery” and conservative branch members doing deals with moderates to get Kapterian elected.

“I am very disappointed and I’ll be seeking clarification,” he said, as his team worked to lobby the party leadership over the result and their discontent.

A senior right faction source said: “It’s war now. The wets, the moderates, have been screwing us around for too long and we’re now starting to get leakage from the conservatives. We’ll be trying to win over branches. People who aren’t solid will be gotten rid of, we’ll be going slowly bit by bit.”

The depth of anger among Mundine’s allies threatens to create disunity in branches that will be crucial to Kapterian’s fundraising and campaigning efforts against challenger Nicolette Boele, who has campaigned for years and will be backed by teal funding machine Climate 200.

Cut through the noise of federal politics with news, views and expert analysis from Jacqueline Maley. Subscribers can sign up to our weekly Inside Politics newsletter here.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-pledges-tax-breaks-as-mundine-camp-declares-war-over-failed-liberal-preselection-20250118-p5l5ft.html

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Date: 20/01/2025 11:28:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239047
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

equivalence

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/novak-djokovic-tony-jones-apology-australian-open-channel-nine/104836294
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/mt-arapiles-plan-triggers-racism-towards-aboriginal-people/104604286

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Date: 20/01/2025 13:21:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239070
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

equivalence

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/novak-djokovic-tony-jones-apology-australian-open-channel-nine/104836294
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/mt-arapiles-plan-triggers-racism-towards-aboriginal-people/104604286

so can we also have gaol time for

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/coalition-vows-minimum-jail-terms-for-anti-semitic-acts/104836490

anti atheist acts of evangelism or are they going to pull some failed separation of church and state shit to argue that truth and facts are anti religious cult and also worthy of gaol

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Date: 20/01/2025 13:32:36
From: Cymek
ID: 2239071
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

equivalence

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/novak-djokovic-tony-jones-apology-australian-open-channel-nine/104836294
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/mt-arapiles-plan-triggers-racism-towards-aboriginal-people/104604286

so can we also have gaol time for

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/coalition-vows-minimum-jail-terms-for-anti-semitic-acts/104836490

anti atheist acts of evangelism or are they going to pull some failed separation of church and state shit to argue that truth and facts are anti religious cult and also worthy of gaol

The entire saga is disgusting.

No one in government (bar a few who are labelled trouble makers) has the balls to call Israel out for mass murder.

I wonder what goes through the minds of some of the top Israeli authority figures.
Do they reduce Palestinians to sub human, kind of like those Nazis did to justify killing them.
You probably be persona non grata if you dared say it.
Doesn’t matter if that is exactly what they believe

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Date: 20/01/2025 13:37:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239072
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

equivalence

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/novak-djokovic-tony-jones-apology-australian-open-channel-nine/104836294
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/mt-arapiles-plan-triggers-racism-towards-aboriginal-people/104604286

so can we also have gaol time for

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/coalition-vows-minimum-jail-terms-for-anti-semitic-acts/104836490

anti atheist acts of evangelism or are they going to pull some failed separation of church and state shit to argue that truth and facts are anti religious cult and also worthy of gaol

The entire saga is disgusting.

No one in government (bar a few who are labelled trouble makers) has the balls to call Israel out for mass murder.

I wonder what goes through the minds of some of the top Israeli authority figures.
Do they reduce Palestinians to sub human, kind of like those Nazis did to justify killing them.
You probably be persona non grata if you dared say it.
Doesn’t matter if that is exactly what they believe

we mean uh yeah that’s one of the oldest playbooks in the history of hominid rivalry

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Date: 20/01/2025 13:49:49
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2239073
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

equivalence

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/novak-djokovic-tony-jones-apology-australian-open-channel-nine/104836294
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/mt-arapiles-plan-triggers-racism-towards-aboriginal-people/104604286

so can we also have gaol time for

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/coalition-vows-minimum-jail-terms-for-anti-semitic-acts/104836490

anti atheist acts of evangelism or are they going to pull some failed separation of church and state shit to argue that truth and facts are anti religious cult and also worthy of gaol

The entire saga is disgusting.

No one in government (bar a few who are labelled trouble makers) has the balls to call Israel out for mass murder.

I wonder what goes through the minds of some of the top Israeli authority figures.
Do they reduce Palestinians to sub human, kind of like those Nazis did to justify killing them.
You probably be persona non grata if you dared say it.
Doesn’t matter if that is exactly what they believe

Labor is attacked from the left as too pro-Israeli and attacked from the right for being anti-Israeli.

And a great many Israelis are disgusted by the actions of their extreme right-wing government.

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Date: 20/01/2025 13:53:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2239074
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Witty Rejoinder said:

And a great many Israelis are disgusted by the actions of their extreme right-wing government.

A while back, i related how i was at an outing with my mate Geoff, who’s Jewish, and some Jewish girls who were visiting him.

And how the way that some of the girls talked about Arabs and Palestinians shocked me, causing me to ponder on parallels with attitudes in 1930s Germany.

And how i could see that Geoff, himself a Yom Kippur war veteran, didn’t like the talk either.

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Date: 20/01/2025 14:06:04
From: Cymek
ID: 2239076
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

so can we also have gaol time for

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/coalition-vows-minimum-jail-terms-for-anti-semitic-acts/104836490

anti atheist acts of evangelism or are they going to pull some failed separation of church and state shit to argue that truth and facts are anti religious cult and also worthy of gaol

The entire saga is disgusting.

No one in government (bar a few who are labelled trouble makers) has the balls to call Israel out for mass murder.

I wonder what goes through the minds of some of the top Israeli authority figures.
Do they reduce Palestinians to sub human, kind of like those Nazis did to justify killing them.
You probably be persona non grata if you dared say it.
Doesn’t matter if that is exactly what they believe

Labor is attacked from the left as too pro-Israeli and attacked from the right for being anti-Israeli.

And a great many Israelis are disgusted by the actions of their extreme right-wing government.

Its a pity politics overrides basic human decency

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Date: 20/01/2025 14:09:50
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2239078
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

The entire saga is disgusting.

No one in government (bar a few who are labelled trouble makers) has the balls to call Israel out for mass murder.

I wonder what goes through the minds of some of the top Israeli authority figures.
Do they reduce Palestinians to sub human, kind of like those Nazis did to justify killing them.
You probably be persona non grata if you dared say it.
Doesn’t matter if that is exactly what they believe

Labor is attacked from the left as too pro-Israeli and attacked from the right for being anti-Israeli.

And a great many Israelis are disgusted by the actions of their extreme right-wing government.

Its a pity politics overrides basic human decency

It’s democratic politics that allows 45% of the Israeli population to peacefully protest the actions of their government. Politics is seldomly about easy answers.

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Date: 20/01/2025 14:24:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 2239082
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

so can we also have gaol time for

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-20/coalition-vows-minimum-jail-terms-for-anti-semitic-acts/104836490

anti atheist acts of evangelism or are they going to pull some failed separation of church and state shit to argue that truth and facts are anti religious cult and also worthy of gaol

The entire saga is disgusting.

No one in government (bar a few who are labelled trouble makers) has the balls to call Israel out for mass murder.

I wonder what goes through the minds of some of the top Israeli authority figures.
Do they reduce Palestinians to sub human, kind of like those Nazis did to justify killing them.
You probably be persona non grata if you dared say it.
Doesn’t matter if that is exactly what they believe

Labor is attacked from the left as too pro-Israeli and attacked from the right for being anti-Israeli.

And a great many Israelis are disgusted by the actions of their extreme right-wing government.

A great many indeed.

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Date: 20/01/2025 14:38:28
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239095
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

so this is how Dutton made all his money

Link

LOL

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Date: 20/01/2025 14:53:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239102
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:

so this is how Dutton made all his money

Link

LOL

is this like your little bank transaction in progress

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Date: 20/01/2025 15:00:48
From: Cymek
ID: 2239106
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

so this is how Dutton made all his money

Link

LOL

is this like your little bank transaction in progress

I suppose in the world of scams if you name is used you are considered to have made it

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Date: 20/01/2025 15:02:38
From: dv
ID: 2239107
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


so this is how Dutton made all his money

Link

LOL

Rump ex bit

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Date: 20/01/2025 15:22:17
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2239112
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


so this is how Dutton made all his money

Link

LOL

Scam or what hey.

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Date: 20/01/2025 15:43:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2239119
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Spiny Norman said:


ChrispenEvan said:

so this is how Dutton made all his money

Link

LOL

Scam or what hey.

Well that’s made up my mind, he’s trying to scam money out of hard working God fearing Australians and I won’t be voting for him him on that daming evidence

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Date: 20/01/2025 15:49:39
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2239121
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


Spiny Norman said:

ChrispenEvan said:

so this is how Dutton made all his money

Link

LOL

Scam or what hey.

Well that’s made up my mind, he’s trying to scam money out of hard working God fearing Australians and I won’t be voting for him him on that daming evidence

Now Dutton is in the illustrious company of David Koch and Twiggy Forrest. Make off that what you will.

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Date: 20/01/2025 15:51:47
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239123
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Spiny Norman said:

Scam or what hey.

Well that’s made up my mind, he’s trying to scam money out of hard working God fearing Australians and I won’t be voting for him him on that daming evidence

Now Dutton is in the illustrious company of David Koch and Twiggy Forrest. Make off that what you will.

Dunno if it is even a real interview. just doesn’t read like one. still…

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Date: 20/01/2025 15:55:09
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2239124
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well that’s made up my mind, he’s trying to scam money out of hard working God fearing Australians and I won’t be voting for him him on that daming evidence

Now Dutton is in the illustrious company of David Koch and Twiggy Forrest. Make off that what you will.

Dunno if it is even a real interview. just doesn’t read like one. still…

It’s all a scam. Facebook clickbait that two of the alformentioned have sued FB about.

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Date: 20/01/2025 15:57:07
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2239125
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well that’s made up my mind, he’s trying to scam money out of hard working God fearing Australians and I won’t be voting for him him on that daming evidence

Now Dutton is in the illustrious company of David Koch and Twiggy Forrest. Make off that what you will.

Dunno if it is even a real interview. just doesn’t read like one. still…

Oh it’s real alright, I’ll be voting Onenation and I’d advise you all to do the same.
I’ll have no truck with him now.

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Date: 20/01/2025 15:59:25
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2239127
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well that’s made up my mind, he’s trying to scam money out of hard working God fearing Australians and I won’t be voting for him him on that daming evidence

Now Dutton is in the illustrious company of David Koch and Twiggy Forrest. Make off that what you will.

Dunno if it is even a real interview. just doesn’t read like one. still…

It’s not, it’s a scam page.

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Date: 20/01/2025 16:15:02
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239135
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ll have no truck with him now.

electric or otherwise.

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Date: 20/01/2025 16:15:50
From: Michael V
ID: 2239136
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


so this is how Dutton made all his money

Link

LOL

Is Alan Kohler endorsing or suing?

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Date: 20/01/2025 16:17:34
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239138
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Witty Rejoinder said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Now Dutton is in the illustrious company of David Koch and Twiggy Forrest. Make off that what you will.

Dunno if it is even a real interview. just doesn’t read like one. still…

It’s all a scam. Facebook clickbait that two of the alformentioned have sued FB about.

I kinda figured it was a spoof. Just wasn’t from the usual suspects.

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Date: 20/01/2025 16:19:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2239140
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Dunno if it is even a real interview. just doesn’t read like one. still…

It’s all a scam. Facebook clickbait that two of the alformentioned have sued FB about.

I kinda figured it was a spoof. Just wasn’t from the usual suspects.

The bingebot knows nothing of rumpexbit, but google is all over it, and everyone says it’s the best thing ever.

Why would anyone put money into Bitcoin when they could be rumpexbiting?

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Date: 20/01/2025 16:22:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2239141
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Dunno if it is even a real interview. just doesn’t read like one. still…

It’s all a scam. Facebook clickbait that two of the alformentioned have sued FB about.

I kinda figured it was a spoof. Just wasn’t from the usual suspects.

To use an appropriate old clishey, where there’s fire there’s smoke.

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Date: 20/01/2025 17:35:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239178
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s all a scam. Facebook clickbait that two of the alformentioned have sued FB about.

I kinda figured it was a spoof. Just wasn’t from the usual suspects.

The bingebot knows nothing of rumpexbit, but google is all over it, and everyone says it’s the best thing ever.

Why would anyone put money into Bitcoin when they could be rumpexbiting?

honest to fucking creator spirit though as yous all know that even though we don’t post prolifically there we do read populist social media to collect bits of SARACAIDS-CoV dis/mis/euinformation so we have been wondering and we ask, is it just that we know their executives and the geopolitical situation have gone to shit, or is it that the drones and bots really have taken over, and that’s why the whole ecosystem feels to us like fucking Westworld at the moment

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Date: 20/01/2025 17:54:55
From: dv
ID: 2239187
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I think I’ll put ALP at 1 in this election, up and down. I don’t like the way the Greens have played their hand.

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Date: 20/01/2025 19:52:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 2239216
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


so this is how Dutton made all his money

Link

LOL

So, has anyone here taken it up?

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Date: 20/01/2025 19:56:41
From: party_pants
ID: 2239218
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

How long would it take Australia develop a nuclear fission bomb?

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Date: 20/01/2025 20:21:24
From: dv
ID: 2239225
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


How long would it take Australia develop a nuclear fission bomb?

I suppose it would depend on what resources were made available, and whether safety was sacrificed for some kind of urgency. It took NK about 25 years but Australia has a higher technological base and uranium up the cloaca.

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Date: 20/01/2025 21:41:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2239243
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Jenner & Johnston Back Gruen Report Findings into Football Stadium Folly
By Tasmanian TimesJanuary 20, 202
Media release – Andrew Jenner, JLN MHA for Lyons, 20 January 2025
Andrew Jenner: the government must start substantively dealing with the stadium’s issues
The AFL is playing the Tasmanian parliament like an orchestra and the Government, Labor and at least one independent are happily replaying the AFL theme song, rather than standing up for Tasmania’s public interest.
The Gruen report, commissioned only because of the Government’s post-election deal with the JLN, has helped expose the shady details of the billion-dollar white elephant stadium project.
However, the deal signed with the JLN did not specify who should conduct the stadium project review.
The independent assessor, Dr Nicholas Gruen, was chosen by the Government on the basis of his outstanding credentials, not any pre-existing stance on the stadium.
Dr Gruen was paid to forensically examine the stadium project and his findings were explicit: the claimed benefits were overblown, the costs under-counted, the costs will be considerably more than $1 billion, and taxpayers are going to have to pay far more than the Premier’s claimed $375 million.
Needless to say, the Gruen truths concerning the white elephant stadium project were not what the pro-stadium push wanted or were capable of answering, so they resorted to the last refuge of the playground bully – attack the man, not the ball.
Rather than deal substantively with the issues the report outlined, the Government, with open support from its independent ally, have been working overtime to discredit Dr Gruen, one of Australia’s most respected economists.
The argument that the AFL are tough negotiators, and therefore the stadium deal was never going to favour us, reflects entirely the wrong attitude when approaching any negotiation—especially one of this magnitude, with consequences for the entire state. Suggesting it was simply the inevitable price for securing an AFL team is absurd.
The Member for Franklin and President of the Southern Football League, David O’Byrne’s op-ed last week made it clear he isn’t interested in the facts. He has a dream, and he doesn’t care how much it costs or who pays. On his own admission he hasn’t even spoken to Dr Gruen.
Mr. O’Byrne’s assertion that Gruen overlooked the 1,500-seat function centre—and his incorrect claim that it ‘will be more than double the size of the city’s largest venues’—doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
Let’s look at the facts: Mac02 has a seated capacity of 1,700 and a standing capacity of 3,000, Wrest Point can accommodate 1,650 and the Grand Chancellor 1,100. Not only is the stadium function centre a long way short of double the capacity of these existing venues, it doesn’t even match two out of the three.
The Tasmanian Parliament is elected by the voters of Tasmania to represent the public interests of all Tasmanians. This is not happening.
The record suggests that Mr O’Byrne’s claim that Tasmanians can have it all – a shiny new shrine to the AFL paid for by an ever-deepening ocean of public debt, together with a growing economy to fund first class services in health, education, housing, child protection and all the rest.
Really– The government can’t even build a port on time and with seven years notice .
As Saul Eslake has pointed out, in ten years Tasmania has been reduced to the poorhouse of Australia. Productivity is terrible. We are poorer than other Australians, and the earnings gap between Tasmania and the rest of the country is the widest it has been in more than 30 years.
While the Government is focussed on building a billion-dollar stadium for an AFL team which will consist of predominantly interstate players, Tasmanians also are older, sicker and far less well educated that other Australians, and we die at a younger age.
Instead of parroting AFL propaganda, Tasmania’s Government must concentrate on improving our education results, which the whole world knows are the entry ticket to higher lifetime earnings, repair our health system and look after our frontline workers – that would really kick a goal for Tasmania.
Media release – Kristie Johnston, independent MHA for Clark, 20 January 2025
Response to Gruen Report
It is a truth universally acknowledged that usually government consultants pander to whatever outcome their client wants. That’s how they continue to get work. So it is refreshing, and indeed rare, to have Dr Nicholas Gruen, as a consultant selected by the government provide an honest and independent report.
The Gruen report provides many inconvenient truths for the Government, Labor and Labor MP turned independent David O’Byrne.
Let’s be clear. As it stands Liberal only with the Labor’s support can vote the stadium through Parliament’s Lower House. So Labor is on the hook here too and should be clear with the community about what their position actually is.
But Dr Nicholas Gruen and his inconvenient truths have been smeared by this stadium-at-any-cost coalition. They’ve dodged dealing substantively with the issues and that’s just not good enough.
“I have had the benefit of a full briefing from Dr Gruen on his report and am confident he addresses the concerns raised by Mr O’Byrne, including the capacity and projected benefit of the convention centre, and his assumption the AFL deal can’t be renegotiated. His methodology is sound.”
“Tasmania’s economic outlook is negative and only getting worse. We are on course for a credit rating downgrade and an interest rate hike on our already mounting debt, unless something drastic happens to change our spending. We can’t afford this stadium.”
“There’s no evidence this Government or Labor can deliver this stadium. Its benefits are overstated, its costs underestimated and it’s in the wrong spot. We instead need a realistic plan to tackle our crippling debt as well as to fund first-class services in health, education, housing, child protection and more, before we fall off a financial cliff.”
“This madness must stop. The deal must be renegotiated and the interest of the Tasmanian community must be put first.”
Media release – David O’Byrne, independent for Franklin, 20 January 2025
Statement from David O’Byrne in response to statements today from JLN MP for Lyons Mr Jenner and Ind MP for Clark Ms Johnston
Mr Gruen is a respected economist and at no stage have I personally attacked him. My opinion piece in the Mercury was merely a critique of elements of his report and raising questions around some of the underlying assumptions within it.
My critique stands and I urge people to read the report and my opinion piece to make up their own mind.
I will not engage in a slanging match with other MPs in this manner. I respect their view, but I respectfully disagree.

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Date: 20/01/2025 21:48:11
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2239245
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


How long would it take Australia develop a nuclear fission bomb?

AFP Officer: Ah Mr Pants do come in, now I should point out that there’s nothing to worry about we invited you in for a chat, just a bit of a chat.

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Date: 20/01/2025 22:01:13
From: party_pants
ID: 2239247
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


party_pants said:

How long would it take Australia develop a nuclear fission bomb?

AFP Officer: Ah Mr Pants do come in, now I should point out that there’s nothing to worry about we invited you in for a chat, just a bit of a chat.

Yes sure. I have lost faith in our alliance partner, the USA, under whose nuclear umbrella we are covered by treaty. Their newly elected president is unreliable and fickle. We (you, me and the rest of the citizenry) need to develop our (you, me and other citizens) independent nuclear deterrent. Even if it is just a few fission bombs.

As an Australian citizen the High Court has upheld the right of citizens to express opinions in participation of the democratic process.

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Date: 20/01/2025 22:19:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2239249
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

How long would it take Australia develop a nuclear fission bomb?

AFP Officer: Ah Mr Pants do come in, now I should point out that there’s nothing to worry about we invited you in for a chat, just a bit of a chat.

Yes sure. I have lost faith in our alliance partner, the USA, under whose nuclear umbrella we are covered by treaty. Their newly elected president is unreliable and fickle. We (you, me and the rest of the citizenry) need to develop our (you, me and other citizens) independent nuclear deterrent. Even if it is just a few fission bombs.

As an Australian citizen the High Court has upheld the right of citizens to express opinions in participation of the democratic process.

AFP Officer-: Now Mr. Pants I’m only going to ask you this once, have you ever been a member of the Communist Party, take your time.
drums fingers on desk

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Date: 20/01/2025 22:24:12
From: party_pants
ID: 2239250
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

AFP Officer: Ah Mr Pants do come in, now I should point out that there’s nothing to worry about we invited you in for a chat, just a bit of a chat.

Yes sure. I have lost faith in our alliance partner, the USA, under whose nuclear umbrella we are covered by treaty. Their newly elected president is unreliable and fickle. We (you, me and the rest of the citizenry) need to develop our (you, me and other citizens) independent nuclear deterrent. Even if it is just a few fission bombs.

As an Australian citizen the High Court has upheld the right of citizens to express opinions in participation of the democratic process.

AFP Officer-: Now Mr. Pants I’m only going to ask you this once, have you ever been a member of the Communist Party, take your time.
drums fingers on desk

I have befriended and betrayed any number of them in the past. As you will see from my file notes.

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Date: 20/01/2025 22:25:56
From: Neophyte
ID: 2239251
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Yes sure. I have lost faith in our alliance partner, the USA, under whose nuclear umbrella we are covered by treaty. Their newly elected president is unreliable and fickle. We (you, me and the rest of the citizenry) need to develop our (you, me and other citizens) independent nuclear deterrent. Even if it is just a few fission bombs.

As an Australian citizen the High Court has upheld the right of citizens to express opinions in participation of the democratic process.

AFP Officer-: Now Mr. Pants I’m only going to ask you this once, have you ever been a member of the Communist Party, take your time.
drums fingers on desk

I have befriended and betrayed any number of them in the past. As you will see from my file notes.

Answer the question Comrade Pants…

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Date: 20/01/2025 22:28:33
From: party_pants
ID: 2239253
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Neophyte said:


party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

AFP Officer-: Now Mr. Pants I’m only going to ask you this once, have you ever been a member of the Communist Party, take your time.
drums fingers on desk

I have befriended and betrayed any number of them in the past. As you will see from my file notes.

Answer the question Comrade Pants…

Of course not. They charge a hefty fee.

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Date: 21/01/2025 11:14:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239381
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

anyway is it the case that we’ve never been in

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-21/low-income-households-worse-off-with-dynamic-power-pricing/104810742

New South Wales or Queensland or South Australia or is this actually just strange to us, we’ve had peak shoulder off-peak prices on our supply for as long as we remember

maybe it’s just because we’re 4 years old

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Date: 21/01/2025 11:24:42
From: dv
ID: 2239382
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

anyway is it the case that we’ve never been in

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-21/low-income-households-worse-off-with-dynamic-power-pricing/104810742

New South Wales or Queensland or South Australia or is this actually just strange to us, we’ve had peak shoulder off-peak prices on our supply for as long as we remember

maybe it’s just because we’re 4 years old

What are the off-the-shoulder prices?

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Date: 21/01/2025 11:40:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239393
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway is it the case that we’ve never been in

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-21/low-income-households-worse-off-with-dynamic-power-pricing/104810742

New South Wales or Queensland or South Australia or is this actually just strange to us, we’ve had peak shoulder off-peak prices on our supply for as long as we remember

maybe it’s just because we’re 4 years old

What are the off-the-shoulder prices?

they talk about going without heating and cooling if you’re poor so maybe the cold shoulder, or if you got rich off cryptocurrency mining then perhaps a chip on the shoulder

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Date: 21/01/2025 12:24:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239407
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

fun

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-21/nsw-public-hospital-psychiatrists-set-to-resign/104838258

begins

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Date: 21/01/2025 18:02:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2239627
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

21 January 2025
Business failures on the rise with Labor placing blame on the state government
David Killick and Matt Bell

Labor’s Josh Willie speaks to the media on the Hobart waterfront on Tuesday, January 21, 2025.
The number of business insolvencies in Tasmania has jumped, outpacing a national trend, Labor shadow treasurer John Willie says.

New data from the Australian Securities and Investments Commission showed the number of Tasmanian businesses going bust had increased five-fold compared to two years ago.
The ASIC data shows that during the first half of the 2024/25 financial year, 64 Tasmanian businesses entered external administration or had a controller appointed.

“That’s a 481 per cent increase for the same period just two years ago when 11 insolvencies were recorded for the same period, and by far the worst result in any state, with Victoria recording the second-highest increase of 110 per cent,” Mr Willie said.

“It’s no secret that insolvencies have gone up across the country, but the data clearly shows Tasmania is on a different level and the Liberals can’t be trusted with the Tasmanian economy.
“Since Premier Rockliff took his government into minority, insolvencies have gone up by nearly 500 per cent and more than 8,700 jobs have been lost. That’s a fact.

“Business insolvencies mean that Tasmanians lose their jobs.”
Minister for Business, Industry and Resources Eric Abetz said the data reflected a national trend.
“It’s no secret that businesses across the country are facing significant economic pressures, with national headwinds impacting every state and territory,” he said.

“Despite these challenges, the Tasmanian Liberal Government remains focused on delivering real outcomes for local businesses.

“Our Buy Local Policy and ongoing efforts to cut red tape are driving growth, fostering innovation, and encouraging investment across the state.

“Tasmania is outperforming much of the nation, yet instead of supporting local businesses, Josh Willie seems determined to talk them down.”

Nationally, business failures surged by 50 per cent this financial year as elevated operating expenses coupled with cost of living pressures and an aggressive crackdown on unpaid debt by the tax office force companies to close.
Last year’s record high of 11,053 is expected to be smashed over coming months, with insolvency appointments forecast to reach up to 16,000 this financial year, even if the Reserve Bank cuts interest rates.

Figures from the Australian Securities & Investments Commission show 7483 insolvency appointments occurred in a record-breaking six months to December 31, a 47.1 per cent increase on the 5088 appointments a year earlier, and almost as much as the 7942 appointments in the entire 2023 fiscal period.

The past financial year had a record 11,053 insolvencies, exceeding the previous high set in 2012.
david.killick@news.com.au

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Date: 21/01/2025 19:11:35
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2239647
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


21 January 2025
Business failures on the rise with Labor placing blame on the state government
David Killick and Matt Bell

Labor’s Josh Willie speaks to the media on the Hobart waterfront on Tuesday, January 21, 2025.
The number of business insolvencies in Tasmania has jumped, outpacing a national trend, Labor shadow treasurer John Willie says.

New data from the Australian Securities and Investments Commission showed the number of Tasmanian businesses going bust had increased five-fold compared to two years ago.
The ASIC data shows that during the first half of the 2024/25 financial year, 64 Tasmanian businesses entered external administration or had a controller appointed.

“That’s a 481 per cent increase for the same period just two years ago when 11 insolvencies were recorded for the same period, and by far the worst result in any state, with Victoria recording the second-highest increase of 110 per cent,” Mr Willie said.

“It’s no secret that insolvencies have gone up across the country, but the data clearly shows Tasmania is on a different level and the Liberals can’t be trusted with the Tasmanian economy.
“Since Premier Rockliff took his government into minority, insolvencies have gone up by nearly 500 per cent and more than 8,700 jobs have been lost. That’s a fact.

“Business insolvencies mean that Tasmanians lose their jobs.”
Minister for Business, Industry and Resources Eric Abetz said the data reflected a national trend.
“It’s no secret that businesses across the country are facing significant economic pressures, with national headwinds impacting every state and territory,” he said.

“Despite these challenges, the Tasmanian Liberal Government remains focused on delivering real outcomes for local businesses.

“Our Buy Local Policy and ongoing efforts to cut red tape are driving growth, fostering innovation, and encouraging investment across the state.

“Tasmania is outperforming much of the nation, yet instead of supporting local businesses, Josh Willie seems determined to talk them down.”

Nationally, business failures surged by 50 per cent this financial year as elevated operating expenses coupled with cost of living pressures and an aggressive crackdown on unpaid debt by the tax office force companies to close.
Last year’s record high of 11,053 is expected to be smashed over coming months, with insolvency appointments forecast to reach up to 16,000 this financial year, even if the Reserve Bank cuts interest rates.

Figures from the Australian Securities & Investments Commission show 7483 insolvency appointments occurred in a record-breaking six months to December 31, a 47.1 per cent increase on the 5088 appointments a year earlier, and almost as much as the 7942 appointments in the entire 2023 fiscal period.

The past financial year had a record 11,053 insolvencies, exceeding the previous high set in 2012.
david.killick@news.com.au

s’ok, we can all be private government funded workers…

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:00:46
From: dv
ID: 2239704
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:05:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2239706
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:



get him out of Aus politics.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:07:02
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2239707
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:



Yes, and he almost gave his life for the things he so fervently believes in.
If I had to pick one, if pressed I would say the rule of law, he is rooted in the rule of law.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:08:14
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2239709
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:


Yes, and he almost gave his life for the things he so fervently believes in.
If I had to pick one, if pressed I would say the rule of law, he is rooted in the rule of law.

Droll.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:18:26
From: dv
ID: 2239715
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Trump has signed an executive order to withdraw the USA from the Paris Climate Accord

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:19:41
From: buffy
ID: 2239716
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Trump has signed an executive order to withdraw the USA from the Paris Climate Accord

And the WHO, according the sm’s post earlier.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:21:11
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2239717
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


dv said:


get him out of Aus politics.

+1

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:23:02
From: party_pants
ID: 2239718
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Trump has signed an executive order to withdraw the USA from the Paris Climate Accord

Donald Trump has removed the USA from ‘the west”. They are no longer a “western country”. The rule of law has ended, democracy is ended – with the 1500 pardons for the insurrectionistas.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:24:29
From: dv
ID: 2239721
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Sorry, wrong thread.

Though I suppose a withdrawal by a major nation from the PCA does affect Australian politics

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:24:59
From: buffy
ID: 2239722
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


dv said:

Trump has signed an executive order to withdraw the USA from the Paris Climate Accord

Donald Trump has removed the USA from ‘the west”. They are no longer a “western country”. The rule of law has ended, democracy is ended – with the 1500 pardons for the insurrectionistas.

So, does a pardon remove their criminal record? Mr buffy says no. I’m not sure.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:32:46
From: party_pants
ID: 2239726
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Trump has signed an executive order to withdraw the USA from the Paris Climate Accord

Donald Trump has removed the USA from ‘the west”. They are no longer a “western country”. The rule of law has ended, democracy is ended – with the 1500 pardons for the insurrectionistas.

So, does a pardon remove their criminal record? Mr buffy says no. I’m not sure.

A pardon rewards them and confirms their loyalty. There is now no disincentive for these same people to do a similar thing the next time the Dunny Trumpet calls them mobilise.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:38:32
From: buffy
ID: 2239730
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

Donald Trump has removed the USA from ‘the west”. They are no longer a “western country”. The rule of law has ended, democracy is ended – with the 1500 pardons for the insurrectionistas.

So, does a pardon remove their criminal record? Mr buffy says no. I’m not sure.

A pardon rewards them and confirms their loyalty. There is now no disincentive for these same people to do a similar thing the next time the Dunny Trumpet calls them mobilise.

Yes, but do they still have a criminal record?

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:42:00
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239733
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


party_pants said:

buffy said:

So, does a pardon remove their criminal record? Mr buffy says no. I’m not sure.

A pardon rewards them and confirms their loyalty. There is now no disincentive for these same people to do a similar thing the next time the Dunny Trumpet calls them mobilise.

Yes, but do they still have a criminal record?

A presidential pardon restores various rights lost as a result of the pardoned offense and may lessen to some extent the stigma arising from a conviction, but it does not erase or expunge the record of the conviction itself. Therefore, a person who is granted a pardon must still disclose any convictions on any form where such information is required although the person may also disclose the fact that a pardon was received. Also, as most civil disabilities arising from a criminal conviction, such as loss of the right to vote and hold state public office, are imposed by state rather than federal law, they may be removed only by state action.

wiki

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:43:36
From: party_pants
ID: 2239734
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


party_pants said:

buffy said:

So, does a pardon remove their criminal record? Mr buffy says no. I’m not sure.

A pardon rewards them and confirms their loyalty. There is now no disincentive for these same people to do a similar thing the next time the Dunny Trumpet calls them mobilise.

Yes, but do they still have a criminal record?

Yes, but it doesn’t matter anymore. They are a mob that can be called upon at will whenever Trump thinks mob rule is preferrable to the rule of law. Ergo, the rule of law is ended, so a criminal record is irrelevant.

The social model is ended. The social contract is ended. The situation if not recoverable 4 or 8 years from now when the next Dem president takes office. The sort of thinking “oh, but they still have a criminal record” is obsolete and part of a past era that will never return in our lifetimes.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:44:46
From: party_pants
ID: 2239735
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

A pardon rewards them and confirms their loyalty. There is now no disincentive for these same people to do a similar thing the next time the Dunny Trumpet calls them mobilise.

Yes, but do they still have a criminal record?

A presidential pardon restores various rights lost as a result of the pardoned offense and may lessen to some extent the stigma arising from a conviction, but it does not erase or expunge the record of the conviction itself. Therefore, a person who is granted a pardon must still disclose any convictions on any form where such information is required although the person may also disclose the fact that a pardon was received. Also, as most civil disabilities arising from a criminal conviction, such as loss of the right to vote and hold state public office, are imposed by state rather than federal law, they may be removed only by state action.

wiki

more obsolete thinking.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:46:26
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239736
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


ChrispenEvan said:

buffy said:

Yes, but do they still have a criminal record?

A presidential pardon restores various rights lost as a result of the pardoned offense and may lessen to some extent the stigma arising from a conviction, but it does not erase or expunge the record of the conviction itself. Therefore, a person who is granted a pardon must still disclose any convictions on any form where such information is required although the person may also disclose the fact that a pardon was received. Also, as most civil disabilities arising from a criminal conviction, such as loss of the right to vote and hold state public office, are imposed by state rather than federal law, they may be removed only by state action.

wiki

more obsolete thinking.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:49:14
From: party_pants
ID: 2239737
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

A presidential pardon restores various rights lost as a result of the pardoned offense and may lessen to some extent the stigma arising from a conviction, but it does not erase or expunge the record of the conviction itself. Therefore, a person who is granted a pardon must still disclose any convictions on any form where such information is required although the person may also disclose the fact that a pardon was received. Also, as most civil disabilities arising from a criminal conviction, such as loss of the right to vote and hold state public office, are imposed by state rather than federal law, they may be removed only by state action.

wiki

more obsolete thinking.


I’m not offended. I’m just struggling to understand why you lot don’t think this is serious.

Time will tell of course. But if and when I am proved right, remember where you heard it first.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:50:47
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239738
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

more obsolete thinking.


I’m not offended. I’m just struggling to understand why you lot don’t think this is serious.

Time will tell of course. But if and when I am proved right, remember where you heard it first.

But, I don’t care. No point. There is nothing I can do.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:52:40
From: party_pants
ID: 2239739
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:


I’m not offended. I’m just struggling to understand why you lot don’t think this is serious.

Time will tell of course. But if and when I am proved right, remember where you heard it first.

But, I don’t care. No point. There is nothing I can do.

There is nothing i can do for the US.

I will do my damnest to make sure it doesn’t happen here in Aus.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:56:13
From: ruby
ID: 2239741
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

I’m not offended. I’m just struggling to understand why you lot don’t think this is serious.

Time will tell of course. But if and when I am proved right, remember where you heard it first.

But, I don’t care. No point. There is nothing I can do.

There is nothing i can do for the US.

I will do my damnest to make sure it doesn’t happen here in Aus.

:)))

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:57:14
From: buffy
ID: 2239743
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

A pardon rewards them and confirms their loyalty. There is now no disincentive for these same people to do a similar thing the next time the Dunny Trumpet calls them mobilise.

Yes, but do they still have a criminal record?

A presidential pardon restores various rights lost as a result of the pardoned offense and may lessen to some extent the stigma arising from a conviction, but it does not erase or expunge the record of the conviction itself. Therefore, a person who is granted a pardon must still disclose any convictions on any form where such information is required although the person may also disclose the fact that a pardon was received. Also, as most civil disabilities arising from a criminal conviction, such as loss of the right to vote and hold state public office, are imposed by state rather than federal law, they may be removed only by state action.

wiki

Thank you. So they still have some “inconvenience” in their lives.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:57:15
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239744
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

I’m not offended. I’m just struggling to understand why you lot don’t think this is serious.

Time will tell of course. But if and when I am proved right, remember where you heard it first.

But, I don’t care. No point. There is nothing I can do.

There is nothing i can do for the US.

I will do my damnest to make sure it doesn’t happen here in Aus.

you only have your vote.

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Date: 21/01/2025 21:57:41
From: Michael V
ID: 2239746
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:



ORLY.

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:01:13
From: ruby
ID: 2239747
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


dv said:


ORLY.

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-hair-transplant-34517536

“An X user going by Anonymous shared a mock-up photo showing Trump – who has also reportedly spent a large amount of money on plastic surgery, au naturel, sparking a frenzy in the comments section. “So that’s what he’ll look like in prison,” wrote one commenter.”

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:01:16
From: Michael V
ID: 2239748
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


dv said:


get him out of Aus politics.

Both of them, really.

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:01:51
From: party_pants
ID: 2239750
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

But, I don’t care. No point. There is nothing I can do.

There is nothing i can do for the US.

I will do my damnest to make sure it doesn’t happen here in Aus.

you only have your vote.

I have time and effort to convince others not to follow that route. Thankfully the system here is still a lot more entrenched in principles and virtue. It will take a lot more work to undermine the basic functions of our society. Numerous referenda for a start, and we all know how hard it is to get those over the line.

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:05:26
From: party_pants
ID: 2239752
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

There is nothing i can do for the US.

I will do my damnest to make sure it doesn’t happen here in Aus.

you only have your vote.

I have time and effort to convince others not to follow that route. Thankfully the system here is still a lot more entrenched in principles and virtue. It will take a lot more work to undermine the basic functions of our society. Numerous referenda for a start, and we all know how hard it is to get those over the line.

i.e. under Australian law Trump would have been ineligible to be elected because of his criminal convictions for fraud. You have to have a referendum to change that clause. Can’t see a majority of voters in a majority of states agreeing to remove that.

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:07:53
From: Michael V
ID: 2239754
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

A pardon rewards them and confirms their loyalty. There is now no disincentive for these same people to do a similar thing the next time the Dunny Trumpet calls them mobilise.

Yes, but do they still have a criminal record?

Yes, but it doesn’t matter anymore. They are a mob that can be called upon at will whenever Trump thinks mob rule is preferable to the rule of law. Ergo, the rule of law is ended, so a criminal record is irrelevant.

The social model is ended. The social contract is ended. The situation if not recoverable 4 or 8 years from now when the next Dem president takes office. The sort of thinking “oh, but they still have a criminal record” is obsolete and part of a past era that will never return in our lifetimes.

Kinda sad, rally.

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:09:52
From: Michael V
ID: 2239757
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

more obsolete thinking.


I’m not offended. I’m just struggling to understand why you lot don’t think this is serious.

Time will tell of course. But if and when I am proved right, remember where you heard it first.

Oh, it’s serious alright.

Nothing I can do about it, except watch the flames.

Perhaps I should get the violin out…

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:13:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239760
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

look this ^ is boring shit because we know that what fascism happens in USSA stays in USSA and can’t affect cuntries elsewhere so let’s instead look at something actually close to home shall we

Australian Federal Police have told a meeting of national cabinet they are investigating whether overseas actors have paid local criminals to carry out anti-Semitic attacks, including by radicalising young people online.

oh ooh oooh that’s interesting we bet that

but anyway

wait

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:19:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239765
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


dv said:

Trump has signed an executive order to withdraw the USA from the Paris Climate Accord

Donald Trump has removed the USA from ‘the west”. They are no longer a “western country”. The rule of law has ended, democracy is ended – with the 1500 pardons for the insurrectionistas.

West Is Best

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:19:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2239766
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Anthony Albanese has vowed to continue Australia’s action on climate change after the United States president, Donald Trump, once again moved to pull his country out of the Paris agreement.

The prime minister acknowledged Trump’s move would “impact the globe” on Tuesday but said Australia remained a sovereign nation with an interest in meeting the challenge of extreme weather events.

“We know that we’re particularly vulnerable, but also because even if you didn’t accept the science of climate change, the economic opportunity that is there is enormous for us, not just to reduce emissions, but to grow our economy and grow jobs,” he said.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/21/australia-reaction-trump-inauguration-penny-wong-trade

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:21:34
From: Michael V
ID: 2239769
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Anthony Albanese has vowed to continue Australia’s action on climate change after the United States president, Donald Trump, once again moved to pull his country out of the Paris agreement.

The prime minister acknowledged Trump’s move would “impact the globe” on Tuesday but said Australia remained a sovereign nation with an interest in meeting the challenge of extreme weather events.

“We know that we’re particularly vulnerable, but also because even if you didn’t accept the science of climate change, the economic opportunity that is there is enormous for us, not just to reduce emissions, but to grow our economy and grow jobs,” he said.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/21/australia-reaction-trump-inauguration-penny-wong-trade

I wonder what Dutton has to say about it.

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:25:39
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2239771
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

you only have your vote.

I have time and effort to convince others not to follow that route. Thankfully the system here is still a lot more entrenched in principles and virtue. It will take a lot more work to undermine the basic functions of our society. Numerous referenda for a start, and we all know how hard it is to get those over the line.

i.e. under Australian law Trump would have been ineligible to be elected because of his criminal convictions for fraud. You have to have a referendum to change that clause. Can’t see a majority of voters in a majority of states agreeing to remove that.

So, how difficult to change the voting laws first?

Like, limiting voting in referenda to those involved in the mining industry, who make at least $60,000 per hour.

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Date: 21/01/2025 22:44:55
From: dv
ID: 2239775
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025


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Date: 21/01/2025 22:48:28
From: party_pants
ID: 2239776
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

party_pants said:

I have time and effort to convince others not to follow that route. Thankfully the system here is still a lot more entrenched in principles and virtue. It will take a lot more work to undermine the basic functions of our society. Numerous referenda for a start, and we all know how hard it is to get those over the line.

i.e. under Australian law Trump would have been ineligible to be elected because of his criminal convictions for fraud. You have to have a referendum to change that clause. Can’t see a majority of voters in a majority of states agreeing to remove that.

So, how difficult to change the voting laws first?

Like, limiting voting in referenda to those involved in the mining industry, who make at least $60,000 per hour.

It’s complicated. it would require all the states to change their laws or constitutions too.

it goes back to the franchise for women, which at the time was a big issue, with some colonies/states allowing votes for women and some not. The rule they came up with is that any person eligible to vote for a state lower house is eligible to vote federally, and the federal government can’t make any law to make them ineligible.

So, once again good luck getting all the states to agree on a thing, or a majority of voters in a majority of states to do the same.

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Date: 21/01/2025 23:15:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239781
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:



$$$$$$$$$

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Date: 21/01/2025 23:15:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239782
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

i.e. under Australian law Trump would have been ineligible to be elected because of his criminal convictions for fraud. You have to have a referendum to change that clause. Can’t see a majority of voters in a majority of states agreeing to remove that.

So, how difficult to change the voting laws first?

Like, limiting voting in referenda to those involved in the mining industry, who make at least $60,000 per hour.

It’s complicated. it would require all the states to change their laws or constitutions too.

it goes back to the franchise for women, which at the time was a big issue, with some colonies/states allowing votes for women and some not. The rule they came up with is that any person eligible to vote for a state lower house is eligible to vote federally, and the federal government can’t make any law to make them ineligible.

So, once again good luck getting all the states to agree on a thing, or a majority of voters in a majority of states to do the same.

$$$$$$$$$

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Date: 22/01/2025 00:52:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239844
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

LOL

More than 200 psychiatrists working in the public system indicated they would resign after the government refused to agree to a 25% pay increase in a single year, which they say is needed to attract new doctors and retain those now working in the public system. On Tuesday, the NSW minister for mental health, Rose Jackson, said of the 205 psychiatrists who had indicated they intended to resign, 25 had subsequently rescinded and 81 had deferred their resignations so that they were “not imminent this week”. Jackson said that “100 have said that over the course of this week and next week, they do intend to resign, but as of today, none of those resignations have been processed”. There are 443 psychiatrist positions in NSW, of which up to 40% were already vacant before the mass resignations.

can’t blame gutless now can yous

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Date: 22/01/2025 10:00:27
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2239900
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:


Yes, and he almost gave his life for the things he so fervently believes in.
If I had to pick one, if pressed I would say the rule of law, he is rooted in the rule of law.

love your work

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Date: 22/01/2025 14:50:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2240094
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

well someone’s being

“The Australian Federal Police will have very deliberate reasons for what they put out in the public and when they do it, and they operate independently, as they should,” Mr Burke said. “I certainly would not join in what I thought was a surprising and potentially naive call from Paterson when you are just randomly saying, ‘Oh, we need more information on this.’ They should put out the information that they think helps with the investigation.”

rather generous and forgiving … “potentially naive” … LOL

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Date: 23/01/2025 08:56:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2240346
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

aha well see

it’s out of the bag now, going to be too hard to control so

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-23/australia-police-3d-printed-ghost-guns-rising-concern/104836954

better let it rip

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Date: 23/01/2025 13:17:05
From: Michael V
ID: 2240427
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

“Peter Dutton shuts down Nationals leader’s call to ‘lean into’ gender debate”

Surprising, really. I suppose Dutton thinks there’s nothing in it for him. ie: He can’t manipulate more votes for him and the Liberals this way.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-23/dutton-shuts-down-transgender-debate-lean-in-littleproud/104849652

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Date: 23/01/2025 18:59:24
From: dv
ID: 2240627
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I did think that I knew the names of the early European explorers but I don’t think I’ve ever even heard of Jan Fransz, who captained the Leeuwin and in 1822 mapped areas around what is now Cape Leeuwin. This was the first time a European vessel rounded said cape

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Date: 23/01/2025 19:09:32
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2240632
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


I did think that I knew the names of the early European explorers but I don’t think I’ve ever even heard of Jan Fransz, who captained the Leeuwin and in 1822 mapped areas around what is now Cape Leeuwin. This was the first time a European vessel rounded said cape

Sorry to nitpick, but you’ve got a typing error there.

Fransz, J. showed up in 1622.

The ship Leeuwin was decommissioned about 10 years later.

The name was revived for HMAS Leeuwin, which was the RAN’s junior recruit school in WA.

More lately, the name Leeuwin has been associated with a sail training ship, which was rammed alongside the wharf by a container ship.

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Date: 23/01/2025 19:11:16
From: dv
ID: 2240634
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

I did think that I knew the names of the early European explorers but I don’t think I’ve ever even heard of Jan Fransz, who captained the Leeuwin and in 1822 mapped areas around what is now Cape Leeuwin. This was the first time a European vessel rounded said cape

Sorry to nitpick, but you’ve got a typing error there.

Fransz, J. showed up in 1622.

The ship Leeuwin was decommissioned about 10 years later.

The name was revived for HMAS Leeuwin, which was the RAN’s junior recruit school in WA.

More lately, the name Leeuwin has been associated with a sail training ship, which was rammed alongside the wharf by a container ship.

Yes typo 1622

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Date: 23/01/2025 22:20:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2240736
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Bruce Lehrmann to seek judge-only trial over Toowoomba rape charges

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Date: 23/01/2025 22:22:02
From: dv
ID: 2240737
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Bruce Lehrmann to seek judge-only trial over Toowoomba rape charges

Lol I’ll bet

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Date: 23/01/2025 23:06:42
From: Arts
ID: 2240743
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

Bruce Lehrmann to seek judge-only trial over Toowoomba rape charges

Lol I’ll bet

Key findings. Judge-alone trials were associated with an increase in the probability of acquittal (12 p.p.) and a decrease in sentence length (if convicted) by an average of 7.6 months. Judge-alone trials were also associated with an average decrease of two days among cases with prejudicial and complex offences.

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Date: 23/01/2025 23:26:48
From: party_pants
ID: 2240745
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Bruce Lehrmann to seek judge-only trial over Toowoomba rape charges

Lol I’ll bet

Key findings. Judge-alone trials were associated with an increase in the probability of acquittal (12 p.p.) and a decrease in sentence length (if convicted) by an average of 7.6 months. Judge-alone trials were also associated with an average decrease of two days among cases with prejudicial and complex offences.

I think it is quite reasonable for him to ask.

In fact, I think it should be the defendant’s choice is all cases. Juries suck sometimes.

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Date: 24/01/2025 00:30:51
From: Arts
ID: 2240752
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


Arts said:

dv said:

Lol I’ll bet

Key findings. Judge-alone trials were associated with an increase in the probability of acquittal (12 p.p.) and a decrease in sentence length (if convicted) by an average of 7.6 months. Judge-alone trials were also associated with an average decrease of two days among cases with prejudicial and complex offences.

I think it is quite reasonable for him to ask.

In fact, I think it should be the defendant’s choice is all cases. Juries suck sometimes.

I don’t disagree, just showing some research.

We know juries are flawed. But the research is interesting… that judges (experts in the area with experience) are often less punitive than a jury is.. there have been other experiments done on this and lay people consistently come up with more punitive outcomes than ‘professionals’ in the field.

It’s interesting, is all.

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Date: 24/01/2025 00:43:41
From: Michael V
ID: 2240753
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Bruce Lehrmann to seek judge-only trial over Toowoomba rape charges

Lol I’ll bet

Key findings. Judge-alone trials were associated with an increase in the probability of acquittal (12 p.p.) and a decrease in sentence length (if convicted) by an average of 7.6 months. Judge-alone trials were also associated with an average decrease of two days among cases with prejudicial and complex offences.

Where was this study?

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Date: 24/01/2025 02:24:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2240768
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:

There’s just a barage of bad news and I am going to have another go at doing what I said I’d do which is try to disengage

don’t worry there’s some good news

Apprentices who work in residential construction would get a $10,000 cash bonus under an election policy to be launched by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese at the National Press Club on Friday. The government has set aside enough for just over 60,000 apprentices, although a similar scheme for green jobs attracted only 2,200 applicants.

wait what with inflation and all that they should be able to buy all of 2 smashed avocados with that

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Date: 24/01/2025 07:49:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2240775
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

turns out that sending a foreign minister to a foreign cuntry is controversial

The Australian government is sending two cabinet ministers: Foreign Minister Penny Wong and Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus. Mr Dreyfus, as the most senior Jewish member of the government, is a logical attendee. But Ms Wong is a controversial choice. She is regarded negatively by many in the Australian Jewish community who, to put it bluntly, see her as unsympathetic to Israel and too influential with the PM. Ms Wong is travelling to Poland on her way back from the Trump inauguration. That might be convenient.

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Date: 24/01/2025 11:50:12
From: dv
ID: 2240844
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Spiny Norman said:


Not true. Dutton yesterday (?) caned the Nationals for suggesting just that.

I’m going to give Dutton credit, he’s been a much better politician than I anticipated. Ear to the ground, finger to the pulse, Howard-style, making sure to pitch just to the right of centre, nothing too wacky or stupid in the Abbott way.

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Date: 24/01/2025 11:51:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2240845
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:


Not true. Dutton yesterday (?) caned the Nationals for suggesting just that.

I’m going to give Dutton credit, he’s been a much better politician than I anticipated. Ear to the ground, finger to the pulse, Howard-style, making sure to pitch just to the right of centre, nothing too wacky or stupid in the Abbott way.

Hmmm, that’s not good news.

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Date: 24/01/2025 12:27:25
From: Michael V
ID: 2240851
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

Not true. Dutton yesterday (?) caned the Nationals for suggesting just that.

I’m going to give Dutton credit, he’s been a much better politician than I anticipated. Ear to the ground, finger to the pulse, Howard-style, making sure to pitch just to the right of centre, nothing too wacky or stupid in the Abbott way.

Hmmm, that’s not good news.

Yes, we need Dutton to be stupid and outrageous.

He spruiks nuclear power, knowing it will never get up, but that some people want it and will vote for nuclear power. All that policy means is that we will use more coal as people fight to stop nuclear…

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Date: 24/01/2025 13:45:34
From: dv
ID: 2240889
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The WA government says it will try to reverse the privatisation of the state’s freight rail network, but the opposition says the announcement is “disingenuous.”

Farmers say not having railway lines to transport grain has been detrimental to growers, and the change is overdue.

What’s next?
WA Transport Minister Rita Saffioti says a team will be formed to analyse the economic and financial benefit of returning the network to public hands.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-23/wa-government-to-reverse-privatisation-freight-rail-network/104852450

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Date: 24/01/2025 13:57:21
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2240890
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


The WA government says it will try to reverse the privatisation of the state’s freight rail network, but the opposition says the announcement is “disingenuous.”

Farmers say not having railway lines to transport grain has been detrimental to growers, and the change is overdue.

What’s next?
WA Transport Minister Rita Saffioti says a team will be formed to analyse the economic and financial benefit of returning the network to public hands.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-23/wa-government-to-reverse-privatisation-freight-rail-network/104852450

Might be interesting for me if this happens.

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Date: 24/01/2025 14:10:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2240895
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


dv said:

The WA government says it will try to reverse the privatisation of the state’s freight rail network, but the opposition says the announcement is “disingenuous.”

Farmers say not having railway lines to transport grain has been detrimental to growers, and the change is overdue.

What’s next?
WA Transport Minister Rita Saffioti says a team will be formed to analyse the economic and financial benefit of returning the network to public hands.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-23/wa-government-to-reverse-privatisation-freight-rail-network/104852450

Might be interesting for me if this happens.

Are they likely to want you house back?

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Date: 24/01/2025 14:12:36
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2240896
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

The WA government says it will try to reverse the privatisation of the state’s freight rail network, but the opposition says the announcement is “disingenuous.”

Farmers say not having railway lines to transport grain has been detrimental to growers, and the change is overdue.

What’s next?
WA Transport Minister Rita Saffioti says a team will be formed to analyse the economic and financial benefit of returning the network to public hands.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-23/wa-government-to-reverse-privatisation-freight-rail-network/104852450

Might be interesting for me if this happens.

Are they likely to want you house back?

Unlikely as my lease is with the government. It could be that I will be able to buy the land as the only hurdle last time was ARC not wanting to split their leases up.

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Date: 24/01/2025 14:14:01
From: Michael V
ID: 2240897
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Fk Dutton. Divisive mongrel.

“Peter Dutton says Penny Wong should not represent Australia at the 80th anniversary commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz, supporting a petition and saying she is “the most inappropriate person” to represent the country because of her stance on the Gaza war.

A spokesperson for Wong said she was a lifelong advocate for “acceptance, tolerance and respect for all people” and that the event was an opportunity for “all people, of all backgrounds and perspectives” to stand together to condemn antisemitism.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-24/dutton-says-wong-should-not-attend-auschwitz-commemoration/104855710

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Date: 24/01/2025 14:14:57
From: Michael V
ID: 2240898
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ChrispenEvan said:


Michael V said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Might be interesting for me if this happens.

Are they likely to want you house back?

Unlikely as my lease is with the government. It could be that I will be able to buy the land as the only hurdle last time was ARC not wanting to split their leases up.

Good-oh.

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Date: 24/01/2025 14:16:08
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2240899
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Fk Dutton. Divisive mongrel.

“Peter Dutton says Penny Wong should not represent Australia at the 80th anniversary commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz, supporting a petition and saying she is “the most inappropriate person” to represent the country because of her stance on the Gaza war.

A spokesperson for Wong said she was a lifelong advocate for “acceptance, tolerance and respect for all people” and that the event was an opportunity for “all people, of all backgrounds and perspectives” to stand together to condemn antisemitism.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-24/dutton-says-wong-should-not-attend-auschwitz-commemoration/104855710

we should send one of nasties instead?

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Date: 24/01/2025 14:18:33
From: Michael V
ID: 2240901
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

Fk Dutton. Divisive mongrel.

“Peter Dutton says Penny Wong should not represent Australia at the 80th anniversary commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz, supporting a petition and saying she is “the most inappropriate person” to represent the country because of her stance on the Gaza war.

A spokesperson for Wong said she was a lifelong advocate for “acceptance, tolerance and respect for all people” and that the event was an opportunity for “all people, of all backgrounds and perspectives” to stand together to condemn antisemitism.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-24/dutton-says-wong-should-not-attend-auschwitz-commemoration/104855710

we should send one of nasties instead?

Dutton’d do. He seems close enough in general ideology.

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Date: 24/01/2025 14:19:36
From: kii
ID: 2240903
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

Fk Dutton. Divisive mongrel.

“Peter Dutton says Penny Wong should not represent Australia at the 80th anniversary commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz, supporting a petition and saying she is “the most inappropriate person” to represent the country because of her stance on the Gaza war.

A spokesperson for Wong said she was a lifelong advocate for “acceptance, tolerance and respect for all people” and that the event was an opportunity for “all people, of all backgrounds and perspectives” to stand together to condemn antisemitism.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-24/dutton-says-wong-should-not-attend-auschwitz-commemoration/104855710

we should send one of nasties instead?

That rancid dickhead, Babet?

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Date: 24/01/2025 14:21:35
From: Cymek
ID: 2240906
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

kii said:


sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Fk Dutton. Divisive mongrel.

“Peter Dutton says Penny Wong should not represent Australia at the 80th anniversary commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz, supporting a petition and saying she is “the most inappropriate person” to represent the country because of her stance on the Gaza war.

A spokesperson for Wong said she was a lifelong advocate for “acceptance, tolerance and respect for all people” and that the event was an opportunity for “all people, of all backgrounds and perspectives” to stand together to condemn antisemitism.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-24/dutton-says-wong-should-not-attend-auschwitz-commemoration/104855710

we should send one of nasties instead?

That rancid dickhead, Babet?

I am sure Penny Wong can separate the two issues.

You’d have to be a right tool to bring politics into that situation.

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Date: 24/01/2025 16:10:26
From: dv
ID: 2240939
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I’ll still be paying attention to the relative sanity and normalcy of Australian politics.

After a pretty good polling week for the Coalition, Kev Bonham’s polling average stands at 50.4 – 49.6 in the LNP’s favour.

The Victorian ALP government is in a dire state in the polls, and the new opposition leader is way ahead as preferred Premier, but the election is still nearly two years off. There are a couple of by elections in that state coming up: Prahran (which will almost certainly be held by the Greens) and Werribee, which should be a good litmus test, as they say, of how the ALP is really faring.

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Date: 24/01/2025 16:25:45
From: buffy
ID: 2240950
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


I’ll still be paying attention to the relative sanity and normalcy of Australian politics.

After a pretty good polling week for the Coalition, Kev Bonham’s polling average stands at 50.4 – 49.6 in the LNP’s favour.

The Victorian ALP government is in a dire state in the polls, and the new opposition leader is way ahead as preferred Premier, but the election is still nearly two years off. There are a couple of by elections in that state coming up: Prahran (which will almost certainly be held by the Greens) and Werribee, which should be a good litmus test, as they say, of how the ALP is really faring.

I actually have no idea who the new opposition leader is here in Victoria. I recall seeing a name that I hadn’t heard of. I’ve not followed it up.

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Date: 24/01/2025 21:00:04
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2241061
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

I quite like that quote.

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Date: 24/01/2025 21:31:46
From: Michael V
ID: 2241067
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Spiny Norman said:


I quite like that quote.

Quite fair.

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Date: 25/01/2025 07:32:15
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2241128
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Net zero is working out well…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-24/diesel-generators-switched-on-south-australia-electricity-power/104856040

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Date: 25/01/2025 14:54:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2241253
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

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Date: 25/01/2025 15:03:27
From: party_pants
ID: 2241258
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:



She’s not living up to her name.

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Date: 25/01/2025 15:05:44
From: kii
ID: 2241260
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:


She’s not living up to her name.

Yes she is.

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Date: 25/01/2025 15:07:38
From: party_pants
ID: 2241261
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

kii said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:


She’s not living up to her name.

Yes she is.

it is quite wild and bold, not very tame at all.

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Date: 25/01/2025 15:23:29
From: Ian
ID: 2241266
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:



Fair comment. But he had help shirley.

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Date: 25/01/2025 15:48:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2241279
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

fuck the making up bullshit titles and names and positions how about giving anti corruption some teeth

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-25/peter-dutton-frontbench-shake-up-election/104859212

nah

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Date: 25/01/2025 15:48:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2241280
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:

kii said:

party_pants said:

She’s not living up to her name.

Yes she is.

it is quite wild and bold, not very tame at all.

Living Beyond

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Date: 25/01/2025 16:56:26
From: Ian
ID: 2241295
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

fuck the making up bullshit titles and names and positions how about giving anti corruption some teeth

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-25/peter-dutton-frontbench-shake-up-election/104859212

nah

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price will also become the shadow minister for government efficiency — a move appearing to come directly from US President Donald Trump’s playbook.

Great

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Date: 25/01/2025 17:05:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2241296
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ian said:


SCIENCE said:

fuck the making up bullshit titles and names and positions how about giving anti corruption some teeth

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-25/peter-dutton-frontbench-shake-up-election/104859212

nah

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price will also become the shadow minister for government efficiency — a move appearing to come directly from US President Donald Trump’s playbook.

Great


She’s so awful she fits in.

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Date: 25/01/2025 17:12:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2241297
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

fuck the making up bullshit titles and names and positions how about giving anti corruption some teeth

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-25/peter-dutton-frontbench-shake-up-election/104859212

nah

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price will also become the shadow minister for government efficiency — a move appearing to come directly from US President Donald Trump’s playbook.

Great


She’s so awful she fits in.

Consolidating their view of the No vote.

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Date: 25/01/2025 17:12:23
From: Michael V
ID: 2241298
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Ian said:

SCIENCE said:

fuck the making up bullshit titles and names and positions how about giving anti corruption some teeth

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-25/peter-dutton-frontbench-shake-up-election/104859212

nah

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price will also become the shadow minister for government efficiency — a move appearing to come directly from US President Donald Trump’s playbook.

Great


She’s so awful she fits in.

I agree.

I won’t use Jacinta Price’s aboriginal given-name. She badly let her people down. She stood on their heads to climb the greasy pole.

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Date: 26/01/2025 08:37:34
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2241451
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Cover-up Over: Scott Morrison’s ‘Sports Rorts’ advice finally released

After an epic five year FOI battle that involved two court cases and >$400K of taxpayer-funded legal fees, Christian Porter’s ‘legal’ advice to Scott Morrison on Sports Rorts has finally been released. Rex Patrick reports on what it says and why the Government has surrendered in the transparency fight.

https://michaelwest.com.au/scott-morrison-sports-rorts-advice-released/

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Date: 26/01/2025 11:53:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2241510
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

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Date: 26/01/2025 12:29:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2241539
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

00:14: Gina Rinehart’s “Economic Refugee” Status
west report

gina is moving her money to the states.

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Date: 26/01/2025 12:34:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 2241540
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


00:14: Gina Rinehart’s “Economic Refugee” Status
west report

gina is moving her money to the states.

and it isn’t all her money.

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Date: 26/01/2025 12:43:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2241547
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

00:14: Gina Rinehart’s “Economic Refugee” Status
west report

gina is moving her money to the states.

and it isn’t all her money.

she’ll leave enough here to fund the liberal campaign.

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Date: 26/01/2025 13:04:35
From: Michael V
ID: 2241558
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:



Yeah.

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Date: 26/01/2025 13:10:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2241560
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Yeah.

also interestingly enough considering the tendency for our souls to project and darvo then the whole comparing CHINA to National Socialist Germany when we know where the communists were in the war could only imply

wait

what’s going on in our allied shithole cuntry that’s selective breeding a weaponised avian influenza out there

wait

oh shit

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Date: 26/01/2025 16:41:21
From: buffy
ID: 2241709
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Sussan Ley is lovely, isn’t she…

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Date: 26/01/2025 16:46:19
From: Michael V
ID: 2241717
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


Sussan Ley is lovely, isn’t she…

No.

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Date: 26/01/2025 16:56:18
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2241721
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


buffy said:

Sussan Ley is lovely, isn’t she…

No.

I quite agree.

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Date: 26/01/2025 17:01:12
From: buffy
ID: 2241723
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


buffy said:

Sussan Ley is lovely, isn’t she…

No.

She was Health Minister for a while when I was practising. Not much fun then either.

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Date: 27/01/2025 08:25:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 2241862
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


buffy said:

Sussan Ley is lovely, isn’t she…

No.

I didn’t vote for her.

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Date: 27/01/2025 09:46:07
From: Boris
ID: 2241888
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

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Date: 27/01/2025 09:51:07
From: Michael V
ID: 2241892
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Boris said:



Heh!

:)

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Date: 27/01/2025 09:52:27
From: buffy
ID: 2241893
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Boris said:


Heh!

:)

Are they living in America now? I’ve not been that interested really, lost track.

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Date: 27/01/2025 15:10:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 2242079
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

In short:

The prime minister has called a comparison of the First Fleet to Elon Musk’s Mars mission by Sussan Ley “strange”.

The deputy Liberal leader had sought to make an analogy about the “daring” expedition to settle Australia.
What’s next?

The Coalition has promised to restore “pride” in Australia Day if it wins the federal election.
Mispelt link from ABC Link

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Date: 27/01/2025 15:12:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2242083
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:


In short:

The prime minister has called a comparison of the First Fleet to Elon Musk’s Mars mission by Sussan Ley “strange”.

The deputy Liberal leader had sought to make an analogy about the “daring” expedition to settle Australia.
What’s next?

The Coalition has promised to restore “pride” in Australia Day if it wins the federal election.
Mispelt link from ABC Link

posits that they are not the ones that will restore my sense of pride.

Are they going to force me to feel proud or what?

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Date: 27/01/2025 15:15:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 2242088
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

In short:

The prime minister has called a comparison of the First Fleet to Elon Musk’s Mars mission by Sussan Ley “strange”.

The deputy Liberal leader had sought to make an analogy about the “daring” expedition to settle Australia.
What’s next?

The Coalition has promised to restore “pride” in Australia Day if it wins the federal election.
Mispelt link from ABC Link

posits that they are not the ones that will restore my sense of pride.

Are they going to force me to feel proud or what?

Trumpism seems to be spreading.

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Date: 27/01/2025 15:15:15
From: Boris
ID: 2242089
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:


In short:

The prime minister has called a comparison of the First Fleet to Elon Musk’s Mars mission by Sussan Ley “strange”.

The deputy Liberal leader had sought to make an analogy about the “daring” expedition to settle Australia.
What’s next?

The Coalition has promised to restore “pride” in Australia Day if it wins the federal election.
Mispelt link from ABC Link

“I’m talking about where we are today, where we want to be tomorrow, not looking back.”

so no more anzac day?

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Date: 27/01/2025 15:17:28
From: party_pants
ID: 2242094
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:

The Coalition has promised to restore “pride” in Australia Day if it wins the federal election.
Mispelt link from ABC Link

You can’t actually do that if people are ashamed of it. You can’t legislate peoples feelings.

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Date: 27/01/2025 15:18:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242097
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

In short:

The prime minister has called a comparison of the First Fleet to Elon Musk’s Mars mission by Sussan Ley “strange”.

The deputy Liberal leader had sought to make an analogy about the “daring” expedition to settle Australia.
What’s next?

The Coalition has promised to restore “pride” in Australia Day if it wins the federal election.
Mispelt link from ABC Link

posits that they are not the ones that will restore my sense of pride.

Are they going to force me to feel proud or what?

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Date: 27/01/2025 15:30:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242111
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

anyway while yous wokists were out in the other channel crying about the greatest cuntry in the world

National Socialist Network members in Adelaide on Australia Day. SA Police arrested 16 people, including a 16-year-old boy from Victoria, and charged them with various offences including failing to cease loitering and assaulting police. A 25-year-old man from Western Australia was charged with using a Nazi symbol and possessing an article of disguise. “They were horrific scenes yesterday, to have people openly identifying as neo-Nazis and fascists, white supremacists marching through the street,” Mr Albanese said.

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Date: 27/01/2025 21:15:10
From: dv
ID: 2242266
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ellie Smith is an independent running in Dutton’s seat of Dickson. She has a climate-related background but she doesn’t want to be called a Teal and plans to direct preferences to Dutton, says she is open to forming government with the Coalition. This might be a good tactic but it does probably move the seat out of Labor’s reach and they might want to think about not running.

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Date: 27/01/2025 21:19:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2242270
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Ellie Smith is an independent running in Dutton’s seat of Dickson. She has a climate-related background but she doesn’t want to be called a Teal and plans to direct preferences to Dutton, says she is open to forming government with the Coalition. This might be a good tactic but it does probably move the seat out of Labor’s reach and they might want to think about not running.

That’s not normally the way Labor’s mind works.

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Date: 27/01/2025 22:00:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2242291
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Ellie Smith is an independent running in Dutton’s seat of Dickson. She has a climate-related background but she doesn’t want to be called a Teal and plans to direct preferences to Dutton, says she is open to forming government with the Coalition. This might be a good tactic but it does probably move the seat out of Labor’s reach and they might want to think about not running.

Seems like a strange position to take.

What does she like about Dutton?

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Date: 27/01/2025 22:02:01
From: party_pants
ID: 2242292
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Ellie Smith is an independent running in Dutton’s seat of Dickson. She has a climate-related background but she doesn’t want to be called a Teal and plans to direct preferences to Dutton, says she is open to forming government with the Coalition. This might be a good tactic but it does probably move the seat out of Labor’s reach and they might want to think about not running.

Seems like a strange position to take.

What does she like about Dutton?

maybe the electorate is so anti-Labor that she can’t even preference them ahead of the Dutton.

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Date: 27/01/2025 22:09:42
From: dv
ID: 2242297
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Ellie Smith is an independent running in Dutton’s seat of Dickson. She has a climate-related background but she doesn’t want to be called a Teal and plans to direct preferences to Dutton, says she is open to forming government with the Coalition. This might be a good tactic but it does probably move the seat out of Labor’s reach and they might want to think about not running.

Seems like a strange position to take.

What does she like about Dutton?

To my knowledge, nothing. She considers him a divisive figure who is not suitable to represent Dickson. I suspect that this is just a way to win votes of people who don’t much like Dutton but also don’t want a Labor government. She can fairly safely do this since Greens and ALP voters can be relies upon to preference her above Lib.

I’ve a mind to do a little explainer-opinion video about what I call the Teal Cliff. There’s a region in the Teal-Labor-Liberal phase diagram in which Labor is better served by not running a candidate. No seats ended up in that zone in 2022 but it is something to consider.

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Date: 27/01/2025 22:12:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2242300
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Ellie Smith is an independent running in Dutton’s seat of Dickson. She has a climate-related background but she doesn’t want to be called a Teal and plans to direct preferences to Dutton, says she is open to forming government with the Coalition. This might be a good tactic but it does probably move the seat out of Labor’s reach and they might want to think about not running.

Seems like a strange position to take.

What does she like about Dutton?

To my knowledge, nothing. She considers him a divisive figure who is not suitable to represent Dickson. I suspect that this is just a way to win votes of people who don’t much like Dutton but also don’t want a Labor government. She can fairly safely do this since Greens and ALP voters can be relies upon to preference her above Lib.

I’ve a mind to do a little explainer-opinion video about what I call the Teal Cliff. There’s a region in the Teal-Labor-Liberal phase diagram in which Labor is better served by not running a candidate. No seats ended up in that zone in 2022 but it is something to consider.

Thanks, makes sense I guess.

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Date: 28/01/2025 07:50:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 2242386
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

So, Jarrod Bleijie eh?
He was the Attorney General in the last Qld State Govt, now he’s the deputy leader.

I knew both his father and grandfather.

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Date: 28/01/2025 12:14:44
From: dv
ID: 2242467
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Yeah

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Date: 28/01/2025 12:39:15
From: dv
ID: 2242475
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Yeah

Meanwhile over at the Australian

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Date: 28/01/2025 12:50:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2242480
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


dv said:

Yeah

Meanwhile over at the Australian


oh, happy Australia day.

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Date: 28/01/2025 12:55:11
From: Michael V
ID: 2242481
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


dv said:

Yeah

Meanwhile over at the Australian


Nope.

Wrong.

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Date: 28/01/2025 13:11:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2242485
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


dv said:

Yeah

Meanwhile over at the Australian


Probably a bit early to award the Stupid Headline of the Year prize, but it’s got to be a contender.

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Date: 28/01/2025 14:16:32
From: dv
ID: 2242513
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The ongoing battle between religion and secularism.

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Date: 28/01/2025 14:21:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2242514
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


The ongoing battle between religion and secularism.

Who’s head do you see on this coin.

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Date: 28/01/2025 14:22:11
From: Boris
ID: 2242516
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

The ongoing battle between religion and secularism.

Who’s head do you see on this coin.

there is no coin.

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Date: 28/01/2025 14:23:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2242517
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


The ongoing battle between religion and secularism.

So should we be worshiping Rupert or his chosen son?

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Date: 28/01/2025 14:36:02
From: dv
ID: 2242525
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

The ongoing battle between religion and secularism.

Who’s head do you see on this coin.

Chucky Threes

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Date: 28/01/2025 20:03:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242603
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

The ongoing battle between religion and secularism.

Who’s head do you see on this coin.

there is no coin.

so it’s all cryptocurrency then

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Date: 28/01/2025 20:19:33
From: dv
ID: 2242612
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Social media influencer manufactured symptoms that caused one-year-old to have brain surgery, Brisbane court hears
The woman, 34, is accused of torturing an infant and posting videos of the little girl online to build a social media following and solicit donations

—-

Great

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Date: 28/01/2025 20:22:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242613
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:

Social media influencer manufactured symptoms that caused one-year-old to have brain surgery, Brisbane court hears
The woman, 34, is accused of torturing an infant and posting videos of the little girl online to build a social media following and solicit donations

——

Great

wait we thought all these Munchausen by proxy things were movie fictionalisations

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Date: 29/01/2025 10:00:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242701
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Ah yes defending oneself in

“The biggest mission for the Mogami is to protect the lives of the crew, which is what we call survivability — the number of members of the JMSDF is so small that we cannot lose any sailor, we cannot lose in combat,” he said. “So, we have to make sure that this ship can protect their lives and that members are ready for the fight, and after that, then we have to make sure that we are ready to sneak into the enemy’s territory and then attack like a ninja.”

enemy territory that’s exactly how this all works¡

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzō Abe and the ruling Liberal Democratic Party promoted legislation, passed on 19 September 2015, despite some public opposition, to allow the country’s military to participate in foreign conflicts, overturning its previous policy of fighting only in self-defense. Since the Japanese constitution allows the Japanese military to act only in self-defense, the legislation reinterpreted the relevant passages to allow the military to operate overseas for “collective self-defense” for allies.

makes sense

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Date: 29/01/2025 12:45:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242762
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

see

we knew it

told yous that

Australia’s multicultural experiment failed

Australia’s students from language backgrounds other than English (LBOTE) are one of the few groups performing well and are consistently ahead of their non-immigrant peers. This makes Australia a global outlier; in many Western countries, students from immigrant backgrounds can struggle to succeed, Mr Fahey said. “Unlike almost any other country, Australia’s migrant children outperform their peers — even in early assessment of English language conventions,” he said. Students from LBOTE are outperforming their peers from English-speaking households on several metrics, Mr Parkinson said.

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Date: 29/01/2025 13:00:33
From: dv
ID: 2242766
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

see

we knew it

told yous that

Australia’s multicultural experiment failed

Australia’s students from language backgrounds other than English (LBOTE) are one of the few groups performing well and are consistently ahead of their non-immigrant peers. This makes Australia a global outlier; in many Western countries, students from immigrant backgrounds can struggle to succeed, Mr Fahey said. “Unlike almost any other country, Australia’s migrant children outperform their peers — even in early assessment of English language conventions,” he said. Students from LBOTE are outperforming their peers from English-speaking households on several metrics, Mr Parkinson said.

Back to AfroEurasia with the lot of them

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Date: 29/01/2025 14:46:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2242809
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Why is my t-shirt more offensive to our prime minister than a 50-year assault on democracy?
The boy who lived in public housing comes to die on a corporately owned hill.

Grace TameJan 29, 2025
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Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, fiancee Jodie Haydon and 2021 Australian of the Year Grace Tame at the Lodge, January 25 (Image: AAP/Mick Tsikas)

According to Anthony Albanese, decrying the Murdoch empire is more disrespectful than destabilising democracies, destroying the planet, disinforming the public and dodging millions of dollars in taxes for decades.

No matter their stripes, one thing almost all politicians seem to have in common is a selective memory — that and their inevitable capitulation to the bloated billionaires who own the majority of our land, its natural resources and our elected officials.

At the beginning of 2022, an election year, I was filmed side-eyeing Scott Morrison, Anthony’s opponent, during a morning tea hosted at The Lodge for the Australian of the Year Award nominees. The national media landscape exploded.

That evening at the ceremony, Anthony asked to take a photo with me. He promptly posted the image of us smiling to his social media channels, capitalising on the hype and drawing a stark contrast between himself and the duplicitous thug he hoped to beat at the polls. When Anthony was asked by journalists what he thought of my behaviour towards Scott, he insisted I didn’t need his advice (as if I’d take it regardless).

While the fallout from that episode still dogs me, I regret nothing. I wonder if Anthony does. How the mighty are forgetful and forced to obey their even mightier masters.

Fast forward to January 25 this year, when Anthony Albanese, now prime minister, hosted a morning tea for the Australian of the Year Award nominees at The Lodge, where I wore a t-shirt emblazoned with the words “FUCK MURDOCH”. Once again, the not-so-free press erupted into a frenzy.

This time, Anthony wasn’t so pleased. My message to Rupert, the malignant media mogul with disproportionate influence over public discourse, is apparently less convenient to his current campaign.

Among Anthony’s criticisms was that my explicit t-shirt “was disrespectful of the event and of the people who that event was primarily for”, namely the award nominees, their guests, fellow alumni and National Australia Day Council members in attendance.

Surely these were not the same people who asked to take selfies with me wearing the t-shirt in the courtyard, who commended me for taking a stand and staying true to myself? These people — including medical doctors, academics, scientists, musicians, writers, entrepreneurs, athletes, advocates and even a former soldier who proudly showed me their own anti-Murdoch merchandise? As I was leaving The Lodge, one of the prime minister’s staff remarked, “There are many of us here who wish we could wear that shirt.” Afterwards, journalists wanted to pose beside me.

Each of us at the event has one thing in common: we are trying to make a positive difference. It’s all well and good for hardworking individuals and grassroots organisations to tinker around the edges of broken systems, but we are fighting an unfair fight. Hovering above us is a small cohort whose concentration of wealth is big enough to fund any number of groundbreaking, lifesaving initiatives, but who consistently choose to grow their own power instead. Should any of our causes threaten their way of life, they can simply derail them and rewrite history.

Anthony claimed it wasn’t the appropriate time or place to dress as I did. It seems there’s never an appropriate time or place to tell the truth. Maybe Mother Nature should make an appointment, because it seems it’s never the right moment to say that the glaciers are melting, or that the earth’s temperature is rising, or that non-native plants and trees are the kindling of uncontrollable fires responsible for destroying thousands of homes worldwide.

Maybe the general public should make an appointment to talk more about the overwhelming, growing body of scientific data on human-driven climate change that has been available to us for more than 50 years but which has been drenched in doubt, if not flatly denied, by the likes of Rupert Murdoch.

Being a diehard St Kilda supporter, I’m accustomed to disappointment. Although I can guarantee there’s not a single AFL team with weaker knees than the Commonwealth. We’ve all watched in disgust over the past 16 months as the once-impassioned politician, who used to make speeches in Parliament supporting Palestinian liberation, has overseen the contortion of his government’s PR apparatus in defence of Israel’s genocidal operation. There are no moral “wars”, only economic ones.

We are a spineless colony of the United States, whose overblown defence economy — propped up by warrior conservative powerbrokers like Murdoch, panicked by the slightest whiff of social revolution — dictates the play. Israel is also a proxy, using the open-air prison of Gaza as a laboratory for its booming weapons and surveillance technology industries so it can export a “battle-tested” colonial occupation model to the rest of the world. Australia is on a long client list, one that includes Arab nations that buy Israel’s products to use on their own people.

It alarms me how little people seem to know about Rupert, a man who owns far more than the news. If anything, his media empire is a front for his various business ventures. It’s the instrument he uses to promote policies that benefit him while brainwashing the everyday person into believing they’re also good for them.

I’ve read several biographies of Murdoch, all more akin to a horror novel than any work of nonfiction. For over half a century, he has owned and controlled the biggest portion of the public conscience. He is an oil baron, an inside trader, a propagandist and a political puppet master. He spearheaded the media campaign to topple Gough Whitlam, resulting in a mass exodus of newspaper staff following Gough’s dismissal in 1975.

In 1983 Rupert was introduced to Ronald Reagan, whose infamous era of deregulation helped transform Murdoch into an untouchable king. Their connection was engineered by Roy Cohn, a ruthless New York-based attorney who defended mob bosses and, most notably, served as chief counsel for Joseph McCarthy. Cohn was also a key mentor of Donald Trump, whose initial foray into politics was in the early 1980s when he tried to buy News of the World to help sway the public in his favour. He was bested by Robert Maxwell, Rupert Murdoch’s arch-nemesis.

It would be another 30 years before the first Trump administration began in 2017, proudly brought to you by Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News. Now here we are again, watching helplessly as history repeats itself from the bleachers, behind the other oligarchs who conspired to manufacture the outcome while sitting in the front row.

Today, Rupert — whose estimated wealth exceeds $20 billion — sits on boards with former CIA directors and defence secretaries. Despite failing to guarantee his son Lachlan as his successor at the expense of his other children — and despite the Murdoch-owned News Group Newspapers recently being forced to admit unlawful activities and apologise for surveillance, misuse of private information and phone-hacking — Rupert Murdoch remains with most of his fangs intact, the ageing demon in human skin that he is.

Rupert Murdoch in 2018 (Image: Sipa US/Anthony Behar/Fox)
What’s next in the Murdoch succession saga? Rupert is thinking several chess moves ahead
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When presented with a petition that received more than half a million signatures demanding a royal commission into the Murdoch regime, Anthony Albanese did nothing.

In the past two days, there’s been more outrage over my silly t-shirt than this genuinely outrageous reality, or the fact that on January 26, footage of young boys referring to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders as “slaves” and “n*****s” flooded the internet. Australia’s mainstream media machine has once again proven itself to be a vacuous, hypocritical, self-serving vortex of exponential waste, ironically ensuring that my point was made over and over and over again. The imperialist hegemony is more afraid of equity, justice, truth, peace and a sense of humour than it is of the world literally burning.

Anthony’s predictable response to my two-word statement has reinforced just how poisonous Murdoch’s grip on the Western world still is. It’s also revealed that while Australia casts itself as a laidback larrikin, game for a laugh, it is in fact a cowardly cop bought by the illusion of civility politics.

Still, there is a bigger picture worth prioritising. While I don’t subscribe to the two-party system, I’m not naive enough to think it will suddenly dissolve. Clearly, the Murdoch propaganda outfit is backing Peter Dutton, who would be a more dangerous prime minister than Anthony Albanese.

Big conversations start with simple, effective messages. There will always be detractors. Pushback is a sign of progress. When I frowned at Scott in 2022, my mother gave me an absolute bath — she was fuming. She’s since come around and has the image on her phone case. After I wore the anti-Murdoch shirt, she sent me a text saying, “Lovely photo of you and the PM and wife”. I don’t need the approval of the prime minister or the general public. I am surrounded by people who love me for who I am. We are all equally human.

The prime minister doesn’t need my advice, and I’m sure he isn’t interested in it either. I don’t envy him or his job. I can only imagine it’s a poison chalice, and I’ve no desire to hold another one of those. I just hope he remembers that while pressure and privilege may come from the plutocracy, in this country (for now at least), his power still comes from the people.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2025/01/29/grace-tame-t-shirt-rupert-murdoch-anthony-albanese/

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Date: 29/01/2025 15:11:36
From: Michael V
ID: 2242817
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:

Why is my t-shirt more offensive to our prime minister than a 50-year assault on democracy?
The boy who lived in public housing comes to die on a corporately owned hill.

Grace TameJan 29, 2025
47
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Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, fiancee Jodie Haydon and 2021 Australian of the Year Grace Tame at the Lodge, January 25 (Image: AAP/Mick Tsikas)

According to Anthony Albanese, decrying the Murdoch empire is more disrespectful than destabilising democracies, destroying the planet, disinforming the public and dodging millions of dollars in taxes for decades.

No matter their stripes, one thing almost all politicians seem to have in common is a selective memory — that and their inevitable capitulation to the bloated billionaires who own the majority of our land, its natural resources and our elected officials.

At the beginning of 2022, an election year, I was filmed side-eyeing Scott Morrison, Anthony’s opponent, during a morning tea hosted at The Lodge for the Australian of the Year Award nominees. The national media landscape exploded.

That evening at the ceremony, Anthony asked to take a photo with me. He promptly posted the image of us smiling to his social media channels, capitalising on the hype and drawing a stark contrast between himself and the duplicitous thug he hoped to beat at the polls. When Anthony was asked by journalists what he thought of my behaviour towards Scott, he insisted I didn’t need his advice (as if I’d take it regardless).

While the fallout from that episode still dogs me, I regret nothing. I wonder if Anthony does. How the mighty are forgetful and forced to obey their even mightier masters.

Fast forward to January 25 this year, when Anthony Albanese, now prime minister, hosted a morning tea for the Australian of the Year Award nominees at The Lodge, where I wore a t-shirt emblazoned with the words “FUCK MURDOCH”. Once again, the not-so-free press erupted into a frenzy.

This time, Anthony wasn’t so pleased. My message to Rupert, the malignant media mogul with disproportionate influence over public discourse, is apparently less convenient to his current campaign.

Among Anthony’s criticisms was that my explicit t-shirt “was disrespectful of the event and of the people who that event was primarily for”, namely the award nominees, their guests, fellow alumni and National Australia Day Council members in attendance.

Surely these were not the same people who asked to take selfies with me wearing the t-shirt in the courtyard, who commended me for taking a stand and staying true to myself? These people — including medical doctors, academics, scientists, musicians, writers, entrepreneurs, athletes, advocates and even a former soldier who proudly showed me their own anti-Murdoch merchandise? As I was leaving The Lodge, one of the prime minister’s staff remarked, “There are many of us here who wish we could wear that shirt.” Afterwards, journalists wanted to pose beside me.

Each of us at the event has one thing in common: we are trying to make a positive difference. It’s all well and good for hardworking individuals and grassroots organisations to tinker around the edges of broken systems, but we are fighting an unfair fight. Hovering above us is a small cohort whose concentration of wealth is big enough to fund any number of groundbreaking, lifesaving initiatives, but who consistently choose to grow their own power instead. Should any of our causes threaten their way of life, they can simply derail them and rewrite history.

Anthony claimed it wasn’t the appropriate time or place to dress as I did. It seems there’s never an appropriate time or place to tell the truth. Maybe Mother Nature should make an appointment, because it seems it’s never the right moment to say that the glaciers are melting, or that the earth’s temperature is rising, or that non-native plants and trees are the kindling of uncontrollable fires responsible for destroying thousands of homes worldwide.

Maybe the general public should make an appointment to talk more about the overwhelming, growing body of scientific data on human-driven climate change that has been available to us for more than 50 years but which has been drenched in doubt, if not flatly denied, by the likes of Rupert Murdoch.

Being a diehard St Kilda supporter, I’m accustomed to disappointment. Although I can guarantee there’s not a single AFL team with weaker knees than the Commonwealth. We’ve all watched in disgust over the past 16 months as the once-impassioned politician, who used to make speeches in Parliament supporting Palestinian liberation, has overseen the contortion of his government’s PR apparatus in defence of Israel’s genocidal operation. There are no moral “wars”, only economic ones.

We are a spineless colony of the United States, whose overblown defence economy — propped up by warrior conservative powerbrokers like Murdoch, panicked by the slightest whiff of social revolution — dictates the play. Israel is also a proxy, using the open-air prison of Gaza as a laboratory for its booming weapons and surveillance technology industries so it can export a “battle-tested” colonial occupation model to the rest of the world. Australia is on a long client list, one that includes Arab nations that buy Israel’s products to use on their own people.

It alarms me how little people seem to know about Rupert, a man who owns far more than the news. If anything, his media empire is a front for his various business ventures. It’s the instrument he uses to promote policies that benefit him while brainwashing the everyday person into believing they’re also good for them.

I’ve read several biographies of Murdoch, all more akin to a horror novel than any work of nonfiction. For over half a century, he has owned and controlled the biggest portion of the public conscience. He is an oil baron, an inside trader, a propagandist and a political puppet master. He spearheaded the media campaign to topple Gough Whitlam, resulting in a mass exodus of newspaper staff following Gough’s dismissal in 1975.

In 1983 Rupert was introduced to Ronald Reagan, whose infamous era of deregulation helped transform Murdoch into an untouchable king. Their connection was engineered by Roy Cohn, a ruthless New York-based attorney who defended mob bosses and, most notably, served as chief counsel for Joseph McCarthy. Cohn was also a key mentor of Donald Trump, whose initial foray into politics was in the early 1980s when he tried to buy News of the World to help sway the public in his favour. He was bested by Robert Maxwell, Rupert Murdoch’s arch-nemesis.

It would be another 30 years before the first Trump administration began in 2017, proudly brought to you by Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News. Now here we are again, watching helplessly as history repeats itself from the bleachers, behind the other oligarchs who conspired to manufacture the outcome while sitting in the front row.

Today, Rupert — whose estimated wealth exceeds $20 billion — sits on boards with former CIA directors and defence secretaries. Despite failing to guarantee his son Lachlan as his successor at the expense of his other children — and despite the Murdoch-owned News Group Newspapers recently being forced to admit unlawful activities and apologise for surveillance, misuse of private information and phone-hacking — Rupert Murdoch remains with most of his fangs intact, the ageing demon in human skin that he is.

Rupert Murdoch in 2018 (Image: Sipa US/Anthony Behar/Fox)
What’s next in the Murdoch succession saga? Rupert is thinking several chess moves ahead
Read More
When presented with a petition that received more than half a million signatures demanding a royal commission into the Murdoch regime, Anthony Albanese did nothing.

In the past two days, there’s been more outrage over my silly t-shirt than this genuinely outrageous reality, or the fact that on January 26, footage of young boys referring to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders as “slaves” and “n*****s” flooded the internet. Australia’s mainstream media machine has once again proven itself to be a vacuous, hypocritical, self-serving vortex of exponential waste, ironically ensuring that my point was made over and over and over again. The imperialist hegemony is more afraid of equity, justice, truth, peace and a sense of humour than it is of the world literally burning.

Anthony’s predictable response to my two-word statement has reinforced just how poisonous Murdoch’s grip on the Western world still is. It’s also revealed that while Australia casts itself as a laidback larrikin, game for a laugh, it is in fact a cowardly cop bought by the illusion of civility politics.

Still, there is a bigger picture worth prioritising. While I don’t subscribe to the two-party system, I’m not naive enough to think it will suddenly dissolve. Clearly, the Murdoch propaganda outfit is backing Peter Dutton, who would be a more dangerous prime minister than Anthony Albanese.

Big conversations start with simple, effective messages. There will always be detractors. Pushback is a sign of progress. When I frowned at Scott in 2022, my mother gave me an absolute bath — she was fuming. She’s since come around and has the image on her phone case. After I wore the anti-Murdoch shirt, she sent me a text saying, “Lovely photo of you and the PM and wife”. I don’t need the approval of the prime minister or the general public. I am surrounded by people who love me for who I am. We are all equally human.

The prime minister doesn’t need my advice, and I’m sure he isn’t interested in it either. I don’t envy him or his job. I can only imagine it’s a poison chalice, and I’ve no desire to hold another one of those. I just hope he remembers that while pressure and privilege may come from the plutocracy, in this country (for now at least), his power still comes from the people.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2025/01/29/grace-tame-t-shirt-rupert-murdoch-anthony-albanese/

Well said.

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Date: 29/01/2025 19:52:51
From: dv
ID: 2242880
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Imagine if about 53% of parliament was made up of people like Babet, the PM was Babet prime, and the press were falling over themselves trying to normalise it all and crawl up his arse.

That’s what the USA is like rn.

Australia’s not so bad.

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Date: 29/01/2025 20:03:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2242883
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Imagine if about 53% of parliament was made up of people like Babet, the PM was Babet prime, and the press were falling over themselves trying to normalise it all and crawl up his arse.

That’s what the USA is like rn.

Australia’s not so bad.

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Date: 29/01/2025 20:08:42
From: Michael V
ID: 2242884
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Imagine if about 53% of parliament was made up of people like Babet, the PM was Babet prime, and the press were falling over themselves trying to normalise it all and crawl up his arse.

That’s what the USA is like rn.

Australia’s not so bad.


It’s nice to be born with daddy’s money, and then steal some more of his fortune from your children.

Note that daddy made his initial money by giving Australians mesothelioma. Yes. He was in partnership in Wittenoom.

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Date: 29/01/2025 20:10:45
From: party_pants
ID: 2242885
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Imagine if about 53% of parliament was made up of people like Babet, the PM was Babet prime, and the press were falling over themselves trying to normalise it all and crawl up his arse.

That’s what the USA is like rn.

Australia’s not so bad.


Not so long ago she was writing poetry about sacking all her Australian workers and replacing with FIFO Indonesians. Whatever suits the times I guess.

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Date: 29/01/2025 20:20:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2242889
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Imagine if about 53% of parliament was made up of people like Babet, the PM was Babet prime, and the press were falling over themselves trying to normalise it all and crawl up his arse.

That’s what the USA is like rn.

Australia’s not so bad.


It’s nice to be born with daddy’s money, and then steal some more of his fortune from your children.

Note that daddy made his initial money by giving Australians mesothelioma. Yes. He was in partnership in Wittenoom.


i was wondering about Gina and Pratt’s full page ads congratulating trump. I presume the NYT contacted them with a good deal for the spread…

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Date: 29/01/2025 20:32:04
From: Arts
ID: 2242891
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Imagine if about 53% of parliament was made up of people like Babet, the PM was Babet prime, and the press were falling over themselves trying to normalise it all and crawl up his arse.

That’s what the USA is like rn.

Australia’s not so bad.


She’s a vile human being, if it wasn’t for her philanthropic activities I would lose the words ‘human’ and ‘being’

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Date: 29/01/2025 20:32:05
From: Michael V
ID: 2242892
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:


It’s nice to be born with daddy’s money, and then steal some more of his fortune from your children.

Note that daddy made his initial money by giving Australians mesothelioma. Yes. He was in partnership in Wittenoom.


i was wondering about Gina and Pratt’s full page ads congratulating trump. I presume the NYT contacted them with a good deal for the spread…

Who knows.

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Date: 29/01/2025 20:39:28
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2242893
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Imagine if about 53% of parliament was made up of people like Babet, the PM was Babet prime, and the press were falling over themselves trying to normalise it all and crawl up his arse.

That’s what the USA is like rn.

Australia’s not so bad.


There’s a wrong word on that banner she’s holding.

But, the right word does also start with ‘f’.

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Date: 29/01/2025 20:40:27
From: Boris
ID: 2242895
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Imagine if about 53% of parliament was made up of people like Babet, the PM was Babet prime, and the press were falling over themselves trying to normalise it all and crawl up his arse.

That’s what the USA is like rn.

Australia’s not so bad.


She’s a vile human being, if it wasn’t for her philanthropic activities I would lose the words ‘human’ and ‘being’

I think being philanthropic for these people is like confession for catholics.

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Date: 29/01/2025 20:42:47
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2242896
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:

She’s a vile human being, if it wasn’t for her philanthropic activities I would lose the words ‘human’ and ‘being’

I can’t remember whosaid it, but there’s a quote about ‘why do billionaires and corporations indulge in philanthropy? For the same reason that carnivores sometimes eat grass: it makes a change from their usual bloody meals’.

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Date: 29/01/2025 20:43:06
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2242897
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Imagine if about 53% of parliament was made up of people like Babet, the PM was Babet prime, and the press were falling over themselves trying to normalise it all and crawl up his arse.

That’s what the USA is like rn.

Australia’s not so bad.


There’s a wrong word on that banner she’s holding.

But, the right word does also start with ‘f’.

i think it means fix like what you do to a dog.

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Date: 29/01/2025 21:18:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242908
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

so autism is the new catchall excuse

Defence lawyer Andrew Williams, for the girl, said his client downloaded the material over a period of time and had an interest in the sound of the Nasheeds — a form of religious song — as she was not allowed to listen to music as part of her religion. “My client was not motivated in any way by extremist intentions … I’ll be making the submissions that she’s an unusual girl with unusual interests,” he said. “She understood she was downloading material relating to terrorist organisations but didn’t really appreciate the wrongness of that, and her actions stem from her interests in war and her tendency to collect things because of her ,” he said. “This is just a young, naive, Muslim girl with autism.”

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Date: 30/01/2025 01:55:10
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2242965
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Thousands of newly created jobs in national security, Aukus, government services and veterans affairs could be at risk from Peter Dutton’s new Elon Musk-style crusade for “government efficiency” and reducing the public service, the Labor government claims.

Dutton and senior members of his shadow cabinet have called for many or all of the new public servants employed under the Labor government since 2022 to be sacked, claiming the 36,000 new positions are not needed and would be removed under a Coalition government, with its proposed minister for government efficiency.

The finance and public service minister, Katy Gallagher, has countered that most of the new jobs are not based in Canberra, as the Coalition has claimed, and that there would be major negative effects, including long waiting times for essential government services – from answering phones at Centrelink to processing disability support claims and migration applications.

“It’s easy to make a statement like that, it’s much harder to back it up in any detail, and even more difficult to deliver it,” Gallagher said of Dutton’s attack.

So what would it mean to cut the new positions?

What are the 36,000 new positions?
Gallagher’s office said that since coming to government Labor had employed about 4,000 positions at Services Australia; 4,000 in defence, home affairs and at the Australian federal police; 3,600 at the National Disability Insurance Agency; 3,000 at the Australian Taxation Office; 1,000 at the Department of Veterans’ Affairs; and thousands more in the agriculture and energy departments.

Labor has maintained its growth to the public service is largely in positions previously outsourced to higher-paid outside consultants or labour hire by former governments.

What would be the effect of cutting them?
Gallagher’s office said significant cuts to those roles could lead to delayed payments and waiting times in government services or veterans’ affairs, undermine tax avoidance crackdowns, affect biosecurity or affect disability services.

Cuts to the 4,000 jobs in defence, home affairs or the AFP would pose a threat to national security or the implementation of Aukus, it was claimed.

“Peter Dutton never speaks about this, investments into the defence force for Aukus and all of the other projects that are under way there, into our national security agencies, into the AFP,” Gallagher said.

“Is he going to start sacking 20% of them as well, because they are public servants?”

Dutton has said savings from cutting public servants could be redirected to cost-of-living relief, defence or security funding.

Are the jobs really all in Canberra?
While Dutton has also claimed the public servants are all employed in Canberra, Gallagher’s office noted that two-thirds of APS jobs were based outside Canberra, and that about three-quarters of the newly employed workers were outside the nation’s capital, including large workforces in Townsville, Geelong and Tasmania.

“What does it actually mean? What does that mean for jobs in WA, in Tasmania. A fortnight ago, I was there, 4,000 jobs in Hobart. What does that mean for a regional centre like that, if you just go around saying you’re going to cut 20,000 jobs?” Gallagher said on Monday at a news conference.

“You just can’t pretend that you can remove 20% of the public service and not have an impact on people’s lives.”

What is Dutton planning to do?
Dutton on Saturday appointed Jacinta Nampijinpa Price as the shadow minister for government efficiency, with the title reminiscent of the US president, Donald Trump, appointing the world’s richest person, Elon Musk, to lead an agency called the Department of Government Efficiency. Musk has also called for cuts to the American public service.

In a statement announcing the shadow reshuffle, Dutton claimed Australians were “sick of the wasteful spending that is out of control under the Albanese government”, nominating as his first example “the 36,000 additional Canberra public servants employed under this government”.

On Friday, Dutton told FiveAA radio: “We are going to cut public servant jobs in Canberra.”

In a 6PR radio interview in August 2024, the Nationals leader, David Littleproud – who would become deputy prime minister in a Coalition government – said “the Nationals have made it clear that we will get rid of those in Canberra. There’ll be 36,000 public servants that will go.”

On Saturday, Dutton said the government efficiency minister would not be its own standalone entity like Musk’s Doge but instead sit inside the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet.

“The government’s taken a decision to employ 36,000 new public servants in Canberra at a cost of about $6bn a year and growing and growing every year,” he claimed.

“I just don’t think any Australian can say that their lives are simpler or better off today because of the tens of thousands of additional public servants that the prime minister’s employed in Canberra.”

Gallagher challenged Dutton to say exactly which public servants would be cut, and what effect it would have on government service delivery.

“I hear him saying there hasn’t been any impact or any positive impact from having those extra public servants in place. Simply not true,” she said.

“We know that waiting times are coming down for services. We know veterans are getting their help on time. Disability through the NDIS is improving in terms of access.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/29/dutton-wants-to-slash-thousands-of-government-jobs-in-an-elon-musk-style-crusade-but-whats-actually-on-the-chopping-block

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Date: 30/01/2025 10:07:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243001
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

see not content with being environmental vandals stealing land and seeking it overseas paying minimum tax, miners are dabbling in terrorism too

Searches were conducted to recover the caravan and a number of properties
A warrant allowed police to seize the caravan
The warrant unveiled other evidence that led to the man being charged for separate offences
He is in custody based on those offences
The explosives are almost exclusively used in the mining industry

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Date: 30/01/2025 11:00:08
From: Michael V
ID: 2243021
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

see not content with being environmental vandals stealing land and seeking it overseas paying minimum tax, miners are dabbling in terrorism too

Searches were conducted to recover the caravan and a number of properties
A warrant allowed police to seize the caravan
The warrant unveiled other evidence that led to the man being charged for separate offences
He is in custody based on those offences
The explosives are almost exclusively used in the mining industry

ANFO is easy to make.

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Date: 30/01/2025 11:20:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 2243033
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

see not content with being environmental vandals stealing land and seeking it overseas paying minimum tax, miners are dabbling in terrorism too

Searches were conducted to recover the caravan and a number of properties
A warrant allowed police to seize the caravan
The warrant unveiled other evidence that led to the man being charged for separate offences
He is in custody based on those offences
The explosives are almost exclusively used in the mining industry

ANFO is easy to make.

Nods.

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Date: 30/01/2025 11:33:49
From: Boris
ID: 2243040
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

see not content with being environmental vandals stealing land and seeking it overseas paying minimum tax, miners are dabbling in terrorism too

Searches were conducted to recover the caravan and a number of properties
A warrant allowed police to seize the caravan
The warrant unveiled other evidence that led to the man being charged for separate offences
He is in custody based on those offences
The explosives are almost exclusively used in the mining industry

ANFO is easy to make.

Yes, the dets and initiator not so.

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Date: 30/01/2025 11:37:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 2243042
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Boris said:


Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

see not content with being environmental vandals stealing land and seeking it overseas paying minimum tax, miners are dabbling in terrorism too

Searches were conducted to recover the caravan and a number of properties
A warrant allowed police to seize the caravan
The warrant unveiled other evidence that led to the man being charged for separate offences
He is in custody based on those offences
The explosives are almost exclusively used in the mining industry

ANFO is easy to make.

Yes, the dets and initiator not so.

Which does make it a little more difficult.

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Date: 30/01/2025 11:40:50
From: Michael V
ID: 2243043
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Boris said:


Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

see not content with being environmental vandals stealing land and seeking it overseas paying minimum tax, miners are dabbling in terrorism too

Searches were conducted to recover the caravan and a number of properties
A warrant allowed police to seize the caravan
The warrant unveiled other evidence that led to the man being charged for separate offences
He is in custody based on those offences
The explosives are almost exclusively used in the mining industry

ANFO is easy to make.

Yes, the dets and initiator not so.

Pfffft.

Hit the ANFO with a .308 bullet. That’ll catch your attention.

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Date: 30/01/2025 11:42:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 2243044
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Boris said:

Michael V said:

ANFO is easy to make.

Yes, the dets and initiator not so.

Pfffft.

Hit the ANFO with a .308 bullet. That’ll catch your attention.

:) Yes there are a number of ways to detonate anfo.

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Date: 30/01/2025 13:37:20
From: Boris
ID: 2243121
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

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Date: 30/01/2025 13:39:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243123
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Boris said:


we’ren’t confident that Australia will save itself

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Date: 30/01/2025 15:53:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243183
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Tammie Farrugia and Scott Marshall are the pair allegedly named in a search warrant used by police investigating the explosives laden caravan at Dural.

Mr Farrugia was charged last week over a separate alleged antisemitic attack at Woollahra in December.

She remains in custody.

Mr Marshall also remains in custody on unrelated weapons and drug charges.

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Date: 30/01/2025 16:37:11
From: Michael V
ID: 2243195
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Boris said:



Ha!

:)

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Date: 30/01/2025 17:41:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243222
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

something lighter

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Date: 30/01/2025 17:50:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243225
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Well ¿ Will the sports

stadium be air conditioned ¿

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:11:11
From: dv
ID: 2243240
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Well ¿ Will the sports

stadium be air conditioned ¿

I’m sympathetic to this perspective. Australia can afford to have the best schools and hospitals in the world.

But (shrugs) ultimately it is up to voters to reward the behaviour they want. A billion dollar stadium is probably more spectacular headline than “hospital HVAC upgrade”.

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:19:32
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2243243
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

Well ¿ Will the sports

stadium be air conditioned ¿

I’m sympathetic to this perspective. Australia can afford to have the best schools and hospitals in the world.

But (shrugs) ultimately it is up to voters to reward the behaviour they want. A billion dollar stadium is probably more spectacular headline than “hospital HVAC upgrade”.

and as I mumbled last night when i posted the story…they don’t get many complaints from the stroke ward and none of them seem to be in writing.

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:23:30
From: Arts
ID: 2243244
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Well ¿ Will the sports

stadium be air conditioned ¿

You could move the sick people to the stadium

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:27:04
From: Michael V
ID: 2243247
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


SCIENCE said:

Well ¿ Will the sports

stadium be air conditioned ¿

You could move the sick people to the stadium

Doesn’t work for me.

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:28:52
From: Arts
ID: 2243250
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The private hospital where I was were doing renovations. The rooms were not connected to the ducted aircon yet so each had one of those portable temporary aircons that have the ducted arm like the lost in space robot. The unit was too big for the room so 15 mins was enough to make to room too cold before you had to turn it off…. And the noise was loud.

The environmental rep person came one morning to assess the noise levels of the ward as the construction people were working behind these corflute walls…. At the time the oh&s inspector was there the workers went tools down so the rep assessed the noise to be suitable. It was a fucking joke.

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:29:19
From: furious
ID: 2243251
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

Well ¿ Will the sports

stadium be air conditioned ¿

You could move the sick people to the stadium

Doesn’t work for me.

It’s entirely possible to have both a sports stadium and air conditioning in hospitals. In fact, many places do have both these things…

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:29:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243252
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

Well ¿ Will the sports

stadium be air conditioned ¿

You could move the sick people to the stadium

Doesn’t work for me.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/05/802896668/in-quarantined-wuhan-hospital-beds-for-coronavirus-patients-are-scarce

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:30:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243253
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:

The private hospital where I was were doing renovations. The rooms were not connected to the ducted aircon yet so each had one of those portable temporary aircons that have the ducted arm like the lost in space robot. The unit was too big for the room so 15 mins was enough to make to room too cold before you had to turn it off…. And the noise was loud.

The environmental rep person came one morning to assess the noise levels of the ward as the construction people were working behind these corflute walls…. At the time the oh&s inspector was there the workers went tools down so the rep assessed the noise to be suitable. It was a fucking joke.

so what do we all think about those average speed speed cameras

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:31:02
From: Boris
ID: 2243254
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:


The private hospital where I was were doing renovations. The rooms were not connected to the ducted aircon yet so each had one of those portable temporary aircons that have the ducted arm like the lost in space robot. The unit was too big for the room so 15 mins was enough to make to room too cold before you had to turn it off…. And the noise was loud.

The environmental rep person came one morning to assess the noise levels of the ward as the construction people were working behind these corflute walls…. At the time the oh&s inspector was there the workers went tools down so the rep assessed the noise to be suitable. It was a fucking joke.

did they also turn the radio down that was blaring HotFM at 11?

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:32:22
From: Boris
ID: 2243255
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

The private hospital where I was were doing renovations. The rooms were not connected to the ducted aircon yet so each had one of those portable temporary aircons that have the ducted arm like the lost in space robot. The unit was too big for the room so 15 mins was enough to make to room too cold before you had to turn it off…. And the noise was loud.

The environmental rep person came one morning to assess the noise levels of the ward as the construction people were working behind these corflute walls…. At the time the oh&s inspector was there the workers went tools down so the rep assessed the noise to be suitable. It was a fucking joke.

so what do we all think about those average speed speed cameras

wouldn’t they be measuring acceleration?

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:33:03
From: dv
ID: 2243256
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

furious said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

You could move the sick people to the stadium

Doesn’t work for me.

It’s entirely possible to have both a sports stadium and air conditioning in hospitals. In fact, many places do have both these things…

I’m going to go out on a limb and say you should put that 1 billion dollar stadium on hold until you’ve got the basic services right.

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:38:08
From: Arts
ID: 2243258
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Boris said:


Arts said:

The private hospital where I was were doing renovations. The rooms were not connected to the ducted aircon yet so each had one of those portable temporary aircons that have the ducted arm like the lost in space robot. The unit was too big for the room so 15 mins was enough to make to room too cold before you had to turn it off…. And the noise was loud.

The environmental rep person came one morning to assess the noise levels of the ward as the construction people were working behind these corflute walls…. At the time the oh&s inspector was there the workers went tools down so the rep assessed the noise to be suitable. It was a fucking joke.

did they also turn the radio down that was blaring HotFM at 11?

Actually didn’t hear a radio, but one morning they did start at 6am. Which was way too early for everyone to deal with… I was too sick to care at that stage, but did ask for more pain relief so that may have helped.

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Date: 30/01/2025 18:41:13
From: dv
ID: 2243259
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Mind you fuck the ALP in Qld as well. My mother was ramped awaiting her scheduled chemo at Townsville Hospital when the state govt announced their funding for the Reid Park circuit.

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Date: 30/01/2025 19:00:18
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2243265
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

furious said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

You could move the sick people to the stadium

Doesn’t work for me.

It’s entirely possible to have both a sports stadium and air conditioning in hospitals. In fact, many places do have both these things…

Cloud-cuckoo land, i tells ye.

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Date: 30/01/2025 19:09:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2243274
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


furious said:

Michael V said:

Doesn’t work for me.

It’s entirely possible to have both a sports stadium and air conditioning in hospitals. In fact, many places do have both these things…

I’m going to go out on a limb and say you should put that 1 billion dollar stadium on hold until you’ve got the basic services right.

please move here and run as an independent.

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Date: 30/01/2025 19:22:23
From: Michael V
ID: 2243284
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


furious said:

Michael V said:

Doesn’t work for me.

It’s entirely possible to have both a sports stadium and air conditioning in hospitals. In fact, many places do have both these things…

I’m going to go out on a limb and say you should put that 1 billion dollar stadium on hold until you’ve got the basic services right.

I agree.

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Date: 30/01/2025 19:24:32
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2243287
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


furious said:

It’s entirely possible to have both a sports stadium and air conditioning in hospitals. In fact, many places do have both these things…

I’m going to go out on a limb and say you should put that 1 billion dollar stadium on hold until you’ve got the basic services right.

Well, when Launceston General Hospital can pony up a few paper bags full of fifties and twenties, it might see some improvements.

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Date: 30/01/2025 19:25:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 2243288
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


dv said:

furious said:

It’s entirely possible to have both a sports stadium and air conditioning in hospitals. In fact, many places do have both these things…

I’m going to go out on a limb and say you should put that 1 billion dollar stadium on hold until you’ve got the basic services right.

I agree.

Me too.

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Date: 30/01/2025 19:31:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2243296
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:

dv said:


furious said:

It’s entirely possible to have both a sports stadium and air conditioning in hospitals. In fact, many places do have both these things…

I’m going to go out on a limb and say you should put that 1 billion dollar stadium on hold until you’ve got the basic services right.

Well, when Launceston General Hospital can pony up a few paper bags full of fifties and twenties, it might see some improvements.

!!!

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Date: 30/01/2025 20:24:05
From: Boris
ID: 2243345
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

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Date: 30/01/2025 20:31:58
From: Michael V
ID: 2243353
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Boris said:



LOLOLOLOL

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Date: 31/01/2025 15:06:50
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2243675
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Straight from the desk of Gina. I predict that this parroting of Trump will stick in the craw of some who might actually dislike the idea of DEI

Dutton says cultural diversity jobs do nothing to help Australians

By Olivia Ireland
January 31, 2025 — 12.05pm

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton says cultural diversity jobs in the public service do nothing to help Australians, as he pledges to cut the sector if he forms government.

During an impassioned speech at the Menzies Research Centre on Friday, Dutton slammed the government over budget forecasts that show an increase of 36,000 public service jobs over three years to June 2025.

“Now, positions have been advertised that include those required for cultural diversity and inclusion adviser positions, change managers and internal communication specialists, but such positions as I say, do nothing to improve the lives of everyday Australians,” he said.

“My economic team’s objectives are clear. We will cut wasteful spending, stop inflationary spending and restore prudent spending. Our government will scale back the Canberra public service in a responsible way.”

The escalation in criticism of the public service is likely to become a key difference in how Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Dutton sell themselves during the election campaign.

Last week, Dutton unveiled his revamped shadow cabinet, which included appointing Indigenous affairs spokeswoman Jacinta Nampijinpa Price to a new role of government efficiency in a bid to reduce public service spending.

“For a bureaucracy to work to the benefit of Australian taxpayers, it must be efficient. We will protect front-line positions in the defence, national security and intelligence space, but overall, we will drive greater efficiency and productivity through our plan,” Dutton said on Friday.

Dutton left after the event without taking questions from reporters.

Commonwealth Public Service Union secretary Melissa Donnelly slammed Dutton’s speech as a failure to comprehend that a workforce reflecting the public they served was better at delivering essential services.

“Today’s comments from Peter Dutton are straight from the Trump playbook, demonstrating his lack of ideas and his lack of understanding of modern workplaces,” she said in a statement.

“Inclusion and diversity may sound like an easy target to Mr Dutton and Mr Trump, but for people who access public services, the value of having someone who speaks their language and understands their experience is immeasurable.”

Separately, Price pledged to cut funding for Welcome to Country ceremonies as one of her first promises since being appointed to her new shadow ministry role.

Speaking to ABC News on Friday, Price said if Dutton won the election, she would audit the funding of Indigenous affairs to evaluate where it could be better spent.

“I don’t believe that we should be spending $450,000 a term on Welcome to Country when that isn’t actually improving the life of a marginalised Indigenous Australian,” she said.

Freedom of information documents obtained by the opposition’s government-waste-reduction spokesman, James Stevens, revealed agencies spent more than $450,000 over 2022-23 and 2023-24 on Welcome to Country ceremonies.

The Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet spent more than $41,000 on 33 Welcome to Country ceremonies.

“That kind of funding could be redirected to actually improve the lives of marginalised Indigenous Australians, as opposed to being used for what is effectively a welcoming ceremony, many of which have now become quite politicised,” Price said.

Albanese shut down questions about Price’s comments at a Melbourne press conference on Friday morning, saying he was focused on announcing cost-of-living support measures.

“What Australians are concerned about when I travel around the country isn’t looking for cultural wars and looking to divide. What they’re looking for is cost-of-living support,” he said.

Price’s government efficiency role has drawn comparisons with United States President Donald Trump and Elon Musk’s focus on cutting the size of the US government.

Price said she was surprised to be compared to Musk, the head of the newly created US Department of Government Efficiency, and denied the Coalition was mimicking Trump’s government.

“I don’t have the same sort of bank account as Mr Musk has,” she said. “There was no sort of looking at what Trump was doing and going ‘well, how can we do that over here?’

“I think it’s come about because I’ve sought a more efficient way of spending dollars in the Indigenous portfolio, and I’ve said in the past that we should apply these sorts of measures across the board.”

The political fight over bureaucracy is likely to continue when parliament returns next week, as federal Labor will introduce laws requiring employers to commit to achieving or making progress on gender equality targets.

The proposal would require employers with 500 or more staff to pick three targets – such as the gender make-up of workforces, the pay gap or consultation with employees on gender equality – to attain or improve on over the following three years.

The Coalition has argued that the proposed laws are “government overreach”.

Price has previously flagged her frustration with the proliferation of Welcome to Country ceremonies after reports rugby league club Melbourne Storm was reviewing its policy on having ceremonies before every game.

“Have the Welcome to Country, but also allow people to think about when and how that’s best done. Let’s not crowd out the nuance, and importantly, let’s not lose sight of what we’re trying to achieve for Indigenous Australians,” Price wrote in an opinion piece for this masthead in December.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/peter-dutton-says-cultural-diversity-jobs-do-nothing-to-help-australians-20250131-p5l8ke.html

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Date: 31/01/2025 16:04:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243700
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

so how’s the Malaysian affirmative action program going then, is it generating diversity and equity and inclusion and value

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Date: 31/01/2025 16:14:35
From: buffy
ID: 2243704
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

so how’s the Malaysian affirmative action program going then, is it generating diversity and equity and inclusion and value

So this DEI thing…is it what we have had since 2010 in the form of the Equal Opportunity Act?

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Date: 31/01/2025 16:22:52
From: Michael V
ID: 2243706
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

so how’s the Malaysian affirmative action program going then, is it generating diversity and equity and inclusion and value

So this DEI thing…is it what we have had since 2010 in the form of the Equal Opportunity Act?

I would think notionally, yes.

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Date: 31/01/2025 16:33:55
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2243707
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

so how’s the Malaysian affirmative action program going then, is it generating diversity and equity and inclusion and value

So this DEI thing…is it what we have had since 2010 in the form of the Equal Opportunity Act?

It’s more an active process to make sure your workforce is diverse by means of incentives and even at the extreme quotas. Of course this just takes us back to the struggle for gender diversity where we went from males getting all the good jobs to females being preferred when people are equally qualified.

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Date: 31/01/2025 16:36:40
From: dv
ID: 2243708
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

so how’s the Malaysian affirmative action program going then, is it generating diversity and equity and inclusion and value

So this DEI thing…is it what we have had since 2010 in the form of the Equal Opportunity Act?

Yes, but in the US it commenced with Kennedy’s antidiscrimination legislation in the 1960s.

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Date: 31/01/2025 17:04:14
From: buffy
ID: 2243714
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

so how’s the Malaysian affirmative action program going then, is it generating diversity and equity and inclusion and value

So this DEI thing…is it what we have had since 2010 in the form of the Equal Opportunity Act?

Yes, but in the US it commenced with Kennedy’s antidiscrimination legislation in the 1960s.

Ah, so it’s the Equal Opportunity Act, which came later than our own anti-discrimination acts.

https://www.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/human-rights-and-anti-discrimination/australias-anti-discrimination-law

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Date: 31/01/2025 17:09:01
From: dv
ID: 2243717
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


dv said:

buffy said:

So this DEI thing…is it what we have had since 2010 in the form of the Equal Opportunity Act?

Yes, but in the US it commenced with Kennedy’s antidiscrimination legislation in the 1960s.

Ah, so it’s the Equal Opportunity Act, which came later than our own anti-discrimination acts.

https://www.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/human-rights-and-anti-discrimination/australias-anti-discrimination-law

It’s not a particular Act. It’s a broad term used in the US for antidiscrimination measures.

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Date: 31/01/2025 17:19:28
From: Michael V
ID: 2243724
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Dutton’s jumped onto Trump’s DEI bandwagon. Look out…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-31/peter-dutton-trump-diversity-inclusion-workforce/104883248

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Date: 31/01/2025 17:25:32
From: buffy
ID: 2243728
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Dutton’s jumped onto Trump’s DEI bandwagon. Look out…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-31/peter-dutton-trump-diversity-inclusion-workforce/104883248

I was about to comment on that. I can hear my mother “shows a distinct lack of imagination”.

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Date: 31/01/2025 17:40:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243735
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Dutton’s jumped onto Trump’s DEI bandwagon. Look out…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-31/peter-dutton-trump-diversity-inclusion-workforce/104883248

I was about to comment on that. I can hear my mother “shows a distinct lack of imagination”.

wait but didn’t everyone here just agree that the experiment in diversity and equity and inclusiveness had failed so it’s all good

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Date: 31/01/2025 18:07:38
From: buffy
ID: 2243743
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

The Opposition is going to have trouble grizzling about this one.

Federal Health Minister Mark Butler has also asked the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) to develop new Australian guidelines for the care of young people with gender dysphoria.

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Date: 31/01/2025 18:17:39
From: dv
ID: 2243748
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Kev Bonham’s polling average has the Coalition ahead 50.6 – 49.4 now.

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Date: 31/01/2025 18:42:16
From: Michael V
ID: 2243751
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

buffy said:


Michael V said:

Dutton’s jumped onto Trump’s DEI bandwagon. Look out…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-31/peter-dutton-trump-diversity-inclusion-workforce/104883248

I was about to comment on that. I can hear my mother “shows a distinct lack of imagination”.

Definitely.

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Date: 31/01/2025 18:44:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243752
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Kev Bonham’s polling average has the Coalition ahead 50.6 – 49.4 now.

excellent, another glorious beautiful artful flourish to arrange things so that along with so called safeguards failing in plausibly deniable little steps at a rate that enables a graceful descent into fascist hell, it occurs nearly simultaneously but also progressively across multiple cuntries around the world where the system exists to enable oligarchs pulling strings and billionaires donating to influence and data analytics companies making moves

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Date: 31/01/2025 18:55:09
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2243756
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


Kev Bonham’s polling average has the Coalition ahead 50.6 – 49.4 now.

I’m worried.

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Date: 31/01/2025 20:23:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 2243806
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Michael V said:


Dutton’s jumped onto Trump’s DEI bandwagon. Look out…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-31/peter-dutton-trump-diversity-inclusion-workforce/104883248

I wonder when he’s getting the orange toupee?

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Date: 31/01/2025 20:36:24
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2243815
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Kev Bonham’s polling average has the Coalition ahead 50.6 – 49.4 now.

I’m worried.

If there’s no rate cut(s) before the election, it’ll be Potato Head for PM.

If Albosqueal gets a rate cut or two, ALP may keep their faces in the trough a little longer.

I’ll wager a cooked chook and 6 pack on it.

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Date: 31/01/2025 20:38:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 2243818
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

poikilotherm said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Kev Bonham’s polling average has the Coalition ahead 50.6 – 49.4 now.

I’m worried.

If there’s no rate cut(s) before the election, it’ll be Potato Head for PM.

If Albosqueal gets a rate cut or two, ALP may keep their faces in the trough a little longer.

I’ll wager a cooked chook and 6 pack on it.

and we go from 2025 back to 1955.

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Date: 31/01/2025 20:39:15
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2243821
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

roughbarked said:


poikilotherm said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m worried.

If there’s no rate cut(s) before the election, it’ll be Potato Head for PM.

If Albosqueal gets a rate cut or two, ALP may keep their faces in the trough a little longer.

I’ll wager a cooked chook and 6 pack on it.

and we go from 2025 back to 1955.

nah, it’ll be 2026 next year, HTH.

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Date: 31/01/2025 20:44:27
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2243823
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

poikilotherm said:


roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

If there’s no rate cut(s) before the election, it’ll be Potato Head for PM.

If Albosqueal gets a rate cut or two, ALP may keep their faces in the trough a little longer.

I’ll wager a cooked chook and 6 pack on it.

and we go from 2025 back to 1955.

nah, it’ll be 2026 next year, HTH.

What year is that of the glorious tyranny of the Pharmacy Guild?

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Date: 31/01/2025 20:49:30
From: dv
ID: 2243832
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

poikilotherm said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Kev Bonham’s polling average has the Coalition ahead 50.6 – 49.4 now.

I’m worried.

If there’s no rate cut(s) before the election, it’ll be Potato Head for PM.

If Albosqueal gets a rate cut or two, ALP may keep their faces in the trough a little longer.

I’ll wager a cooked chook and 6 pack on it.

Worse things happen at sea. It will be a disappointment but not a disaster.

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Date: 31/01/2025 20:51:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2243834
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:

It will be a disappointment but not a disaster.

A lot might depend on what Gina wants, and what she’s learnt in recent times about how to get it.

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Date: 31/01/2025 20:54:59
From: party_pants
ID: 2243836
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


dv said:
It will be a disappointment but not a disaster.

A lot might depend on what Gina wants, and what she’s learnt in recent times about how to get it.

by April or May the full disastrous economic impact of Trumpism might have changed the whole political landscape, and anyone even remotely associated with him well be electoral poison.

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Date: 31/01/2025 21:01:31
From: Boris
ID: 2243837
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:
It will be a disappointment but not a disaster.

A lot might depend on what Gina wants, and what she’s learnt in recent times about how to get it.

by April or May the full disastrous economic impact of Trumpism might have changed the whole political landscape, and anyone even remotely associated with him well be electoral poison.

quite so. it has only been 11 days and already the shit is hitting the fan. give it another few months and it’ll be like the Maxima Cloaca hitting the fan.

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Date: 31/01/2025 21:07:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2243839
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Boris said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

A lot might depend on what Gina wants, and what she’s learnt in recent times about how to get it.

by April or May the full disastrous economic impact of Trumpism might have changed the whole political landscape, and anyone even remotely associated with him well be electoral poison.

quite so. it has only been 11 days and already the shit is hitting the fan. give it another few months and it’ll be like the Maxima Cloaca hitting the fan.

even still… there is only right-wing news and a little trying toe the line by the ABC.

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Date: 31/01/2025 21:11:04
From: dv
ID: 2243844
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


dv said:
It will be a disappointment but not a disaster.

A lot might depend on what Gina wants, and what she’s learnt in recent times about how to get it.

There’s not too much harm he can do with a hostile senate

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Date: 31/01/2025 21:12:35
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2243846
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

sarahs mum said:


Boris said:

party_pants said:

by April or May the full disastrous economic impact of Trumpism might have changed the whole political landscape, and anyone even remotely associated with him well be electoral poison.

quite so. it has only been 11 days and already the shit is hitting the fan. give it another few months and it’ll be like the Maxima Cloaca hitting the fan.

even still… there is only right-wing news and a little trying toe the line by the ABC.

There’s plenty of left of centre newsmedia….

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Date: 31/01/2025 21:12:44
From: party_pants
ID: 2243847
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:
It will be a disappointment but not a disaster.

A lot might depend on what Gina wants, and what she’s learnt in recent times about how to get it.

There’s not too much harm he can do with a hostile senate

There’s not really much Gina can do either.

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Date: 31/01/2025 21:13:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2243848
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:
It will be a disappointment but not a disaster.

A lot might depend on what Gina wants, and what she’s learnt in recent times about how to get it.

There’s not too much harm he can do with a hostile senate

Like i say, depends on what lessons she’s picked up from her friends in the US.

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Date: 31/01/2025 21:32:16
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2243850
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


dv said:
It will be a disappointment but not a disaster.

A lot might depend on what Gina wants, and what she’s learnt in recent times about how to get it.

Yeah well, there’s not much good he can do with a hostile senate.

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Date: 31/01/2025 21:33:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243851
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

thankfully fascists have never used a little bit of power to stack the deck in anyone’s favour and absolutely not in their own so that they totally could not ever return to the office later to tip the scales a little bit more thank fuck

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Date: 31/01/2025 22:04:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2243868
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

On Friday, Dutton announced Jacinta Nampijinpa Price’s new portfolio would sit inside the department of prime minister and cabinet under a Coalition government, giving her oversight of spending cuts across agencies.

“My economic team’s objectives are clear: we will cut wasteful spending, stop inflationary spending, and restore prudent spending,” Dutton said.

Separately on Friday, Senator Price announced that a Dutton government would halt taxpayer funding for welcome to country ceremonies.

Freedom of information documents, obtained by the Coalition and first reported by the Sunday Telegraph, revealed federal agencies spent more than $450,000 on the ceremonies in the past two years.

“I don’t believe that we should be spending $450,000 a term on Welcome to Country, when that isn’t actually improving the life of a marginalised Indigenous Australian,” Price told ABC News.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jan/31/peter-dutton-push-to-axe-dei-public-service-positions-compared-to-donald-trump

my sister’s bridge club would all vote for this.

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Date: 31/01/2025 22:13:13
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2243871
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ABC News:

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Date: 31/01/2025 22:14:13
From: Arts
ID: 2243872
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

Well that’ll take the pressure off school to cater for everyone.

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Date: 31/01/2025 22:48:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243884
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Well that’ll take the pressure off school to cater for everyone.

so a good thing then

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Date: 31/01/2025 23:25:15
From: Arts
ID: 2243886
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Well that’ll take the pressure off school to cater for everyone.

so a good thing then

For them… sure.

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Date: 31/01/2025 23:27:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2243890
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2025

ah yes

The ABC asked the Herald Sun and Senator Paterson for their account of how the false figures came to be reported and amplified by one of the federal opposition’s most senior frontbenchers. Senator Paterson did not respond directly to the ABC’s questions but said in a statement that “Tony Burke has the wrong priorities” and should spend more time “fighting antisemitism”.

clearly the correct order or priorities must be

  1. spread misinformation
  2. fight antisemitism
  3. challenge misinformation

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-31/how-an-error-kicked-off-misinformation-on-asylum-seeker-visas/104883144

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