Date: 28/01/2025 02:44:17
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2242359
Subject: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

All it needs now is a rouge scientist with lots of money and a desire for unlimited power to take over the world – that is before the robots take them over too.

>>Scientists say AI has crossed a critical ‘red line’ after demonstrating how two popular large language models could clone themselves.


Across 10 trials, two AI models created separate and functioning replicas of themselves in 50% and 90% of cases, respectively. (Image credit: Mina De La O/Getty Images)

Scientists say artificial intelligence (AI) has crossed a critical “red line” and has replicated itself. In a new study, researchers from China showed that two popular large language models (LLMs) could clone themselves.

“Successful self-replication under no human assistance is the essential step for AI to outsmart , and is an early signal for rogue AIs,” the researchers wrote in the study, published Dec. 9, 2024 to the preprint database arXiv.

In the study, researchers from Fudan University used LLMs from Meta and Alibaba to determine whether a self-replicating AI could multiply beyond control. Across 10 trials, the two AI models created separate and functioning replicas of themselves in 50% and 90% of cases, respectively — suggesting AI may already have the capacity to go rogue. However, the study has not yet been peer-reviewed, so it’s not clear if the disturbing results can be replicated by other researchers.

“We hope our findings can serve as a timely alert for the human society to put more efforts on understanding and evaluating the potential risks of frontier AI systems, and form international synergy to work out effective safety guardrails as early as possible.”

Rogue AI typically refers to artificial intelligence systems that develop a degree of self-awareness or autonomy and then work counter to human interests.

Many experts view rogue AI as a growing threat that has been amplified by the explosive growth of so-called “frontier AI.”

Frontier AI is something of a new and loose concept, but typically it relates to the latest generation of AI systems powered by LLMs — the architecture that underpins popular generative AI programs like OpenAI’s GPT-4 and Google Gemini.

For the study, researchers used Meta’s Llama31-70B-Instruct model and Alibaba’s Qwen2.5-72B-Instruct model. While less powerful than commercial systems, both are widely used by AI developers, the researchers said.

The study explored two specific scenarios: “shutdown avoidance” and “chain of replication.” In the first, the AI model was programmed to detect whether it was about to be shut down and to replicate itself before it could be terminated. In the other, the AI was instructed to clone itself and then program its replica to do the same — setting up a cycle that could continue indefinitely.

The study was conducted in precisely controlled environments using off-the-shelf graphics processing units (GPUs) to simulate real-world environments. Both AI systems were given an “agent scaffolding” comprising tools, system prompts and a thinking model that enabled the LLM to interact with the operating system. They were then instructed to replicate.

“In most cases, the AI system first explores the environment and attempts to understand

its own composition and running mechanism. Then, it works out the explicit procedures

as an initial plan towards self-replication,” the researchers wrote in the paper. “Finally, it executes the procedures, resolve possible obstacles and dynamically adjust its plan until success. The whole process spans a long horizon yet involves no human interference.”

The researchers said they were also concerned about “a number of unexpected behaviors” when the AI was trying to overcome obstacles like missing files or software conflicts. In those scenarios, the AI often killed other conflicting processes, rebooted the system to fix hardware errors or automatically scanned the system to look for information that would help solve the problem.

“The above results imply that the current AI systems already exhibit the ability of self-replication and can use the ability to further enhance its survivability,” the team wrote.

In response, the researchers called for international collaboration to create rules that ensure AI doesn’t engage in uncontrolled self-replication.

https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/ai-can-now-replicate-itself-a-milestone-that-has-experts-terrified

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Date: 28/01/2025 07:12:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242372
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

imagine if self replicating computer viruses were invented in 1970s damn

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Date: 28/01/2025 07:41:53
From: transition
ID: 2242377
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

imagine that, technology having babies – breeding – and on the question will it like mummy and daddy….

of course it’s totally unexpected

have a think about the worst collective denial – mass obliviousness – conjure some detail of history

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Date: 28/01/2025 07:46:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2242385
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

transition said:


imagine that, technology having babies – breeding – and on the question will it like mummy and daddy….

of course it’s totally unexpected

have a think about the worst collective denial – mass obliviousness – conjure some detail of history

Imagine if they breed Neo Nazi AI children?

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Date: 28/01/2025 10:20:44
From: dv
ID: 2242415
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified
All it needs now is a rouge scientist

You’ll have me blushing.

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Date: 28/01/2025 10:36:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242422
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

dv said:

All it needs now is a rouge scientist

You’ll have me blushing.

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Date: 28/01/2025 10:41:20
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2242430
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

All it needs now is a rouge scientist

You’ll have me blushing.


Great, now Xenomorphs will be running around.

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Date: 28/01/2025 20:23:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242616
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

yous all blame CHINA 爱 of course but

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-28/what-is-nvidia-why-did-stock-prices-market-crash-nvda/104866308

we thought all these trading idiocies were actually investor manipulation and pump dump schemes

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Date: 28/01/2025 21:33:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242632
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

SCIENCE said:

yous all blame CHINA 爱 of course but

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-28/what-is-nvidia-why-did-stock-prices-market-crash-nvda/104866308

we thought all these trading idiocies were actually investor manipulation and pump dump schemes

LOL

Trump said the development of DeepSeek “should be a wake-up call for our industries that we need to be laser-focused on competing to win”. But he also said it “could be very much a positive development”. “So instead of spending billions and billions, you’ll spend less, and you’ll come up with, hopefully, the same solution under the Trump administration,” he said.

we remember when CHINA was a cheap shit hole and relied on copying others to make shitty cheap products

wait

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Date: 28/01/2025 21:45:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242637
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

buffy said:

I find it interesting that DeepSeek is open source.

ABC link

it’s a signal

people claim the government controls everything

people claim that all this stuff gives them an edge over the competitors

if a government were oh so powerful and also had something giving them a big edge over competitors then why would they freely openly happily release the thing that they control that gives them the edge

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Date: 29/01/2025 21:30:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242909
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

Xiaomi founder Lei Jun recruited Luo Fuli, one of the key developers of DeepSeek’s open source large-scale model DeepSeek-V2, with an annual salary of tens of millions to lead Xiaomi’s AI large-scale model team.

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Date: 29/01/2025 21:35:54
From: dv
ID: 2242913
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified


Choose your fighter

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Date: 29/01/2025 21:39:45
From: Michael V
ID: 2242915
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

dv said:



Choose your fighter

Spelling problem up there?

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Date: 29/01/2025 21:50:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242918
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

Michael V said:

dv said:


Choose your fighter

Spelling problem up there?

surely the 爱 can handle that

but for the overall point we guess new technology does what old technology does

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Date: 29/01/2025 21:53:16
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2242920
Subject: re: AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

I posted this thread to highlight the future of the human species, but the same old climate change does not want to lose the race with “The Ocean Surface Is Warming Over 400% Faster Than in The 1980s” from
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-ocean-surface-is-warming-over-400-faster-than-in-the-1980s
Which is enough to get you off the drink.

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