Date: 13/02/2011 07:34:53
From: Veg gardener
ID: 122886
Subject: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Been Meaning to post this for a few days now.
Been reading a book, and in there it says you should Mulch all garden beds, Even when growing carrots and Onions (and about being extra careful around them etc). How on earth does on add extra Manure and blood and bone to the soil, or does on remove little bits of the mulch where they are putting a seedling in and mix it in the soil there……..And whats the quickest way to remove grass from around fruit trees so I can apply mulch.
Date: 13/02/2011 08:03:43
From: pain master
ID: 122890
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Veg gardener said:
Been Meaning to post this for a few days now.
Been reading a book, and in there it says you should Mulch all garden beds, Even when growing carrots and Onions (and about being extra careful around them etc). How on earth does on add extra Manure and blood and bone to the soil, or does on remove little bits of the mulch where they are putting a seedling in and mix it in the soil there……..And whats the quickest way to remove grass from around fruit trees so I can apply mulch.
If it were me Veg, I would continue to add mulching straw to your beds, including the carrots and root vegies…. their little leafy heads will keep on popping through, but I would not be feeding them up too much, you should have done all that in your preparation. Just keep the water nice and consistant.
When it comes to adding extra manure and bnb, you need to determine what state your current mulch is at and what state your beds are at. If you have cleared out a bed, and it is time to prepare, then chuck the whole lot in, the manure, the bnb and then fork it all in, old mulch et al. If your current mulch is looking new still, then pull it off, manure and bnb, fork it and then re lay the mulch.
Then give it a good drink.
Watch out because fresh manure and bnb will burn roots, so avoid doing this if the bed has too many things still growing in it.
Date: 13/02/2011 08:06:34
From: Veg gardener
ID: 122891
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pain master said:
If it were me Veg, I would continue to add mulching straw to your beds, including the carrots and root vegies…. their little leafy heads will keep on popping through, but I would not be feeding them up too much, you should have done all that in your preparation. Just keep the water nice and consistant.
When it comes to adding extra manure and bnb, you need to determine what state your current mulch is at and what state your beds are at. If you have cleared out a bed, and it is time to prepare, then chuck the whole lot in, the manure, the bnb and then fork it all in, old mulch et al. If your current mulch is looking new still, then pull it off, manure and bnb, fork it and then re lay the mulch.
Then give it a good drink.
Watch out because fresh manure and bnb will burn roots, so avoid doing this if the bed has too many things still growing in it.
Cheers PM. Wasn’t to sure on it and wanted to clear it up. I’ll be using the stuff out of the chook pens, so Sugar cane mulch mixed in with chook poo. I can also get straw Mixed in with cow poo from up the road, and some old round bales. think the hay/straw mixed in with the cow poo would be alright for my fruit trees.
Date: 13/02/2011 08:06:58
From: pain master
ID: 122892
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Veg gardener said:
Been Meaning to post this for a few days now.
Been reading a book, and in there it says you should Mulch all garden beds, Even when growing carrots and Onions (and about being extra careful around them etc). How on earth does on add extra Manure and blood and bone to the soil, or does on remove little bits of the mulch where they are putting a seedling in and mix it in the soil there……..And whats the quickest way to remove grass from around fruit trees so I can apply mulch.
depends on the grass Veg and what mulch you are using. when we mulched our Mangoes, we left the grass there (it doesn’t grow so well under the dark canopy anyway) and we heavily mulched with thick heavy mulch, really thick, and the grass has come through in one or two spots, but it is easy to pull out through the mulch.
I have in the past poisoned off the grass first before mulching, but I really try to avoid that, and I have also used a layer of paper on the ground before applying the mulch…
Date: 13/02/2011 08:08:53
From: pain master
ID: 122893
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Veg gardener said:
pain master said:
If it were me Veg, I would continue to add mulching straw to your beds, including the carrots and root vegies…. their little leafy heads will keep on popping through, but I would not be feeding them up too much, you should have done all that in your preparation. Just keep the water nice and consistant.
When it comes to adding extra manure and bnb, you need to determine what state your current mulch is at and what state your beds are at. If you have cleared out a bed, and it is time to prepare, then chuck the whole lot in, the manure, the bnb and then fork it all in, old mulch et al. If your current mulch is looking new still, then pull it off, manure and bnb, fork it and then re lay the mulch.
Then give it a good drink.
Watch out because fresh manure and bnb will burn roots, so avoid doing this if the bed has too many things still growing in it.
Cheers PM. Wasn’t to sure on it and wanted to clear it up. I’ll be using the stuff out of the chook pens, so Sugar cane mulch mixed in with chook poo. I can also get straw Mixed in with cow poo from up the road, and some old round bales. think the hay/straw mixed in with the cow poo would be alright for my fruit trees.
I’d prolly let the cow/straw mix compost on-site for a while first. Cow manure can be pretty hot with all the urine… but this depends on how fresh it is before you get it!
Date: 13/02/2011 08:09:10
From: Veg gardener
ID: 122894
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pain master said:
Veg gardener said:
Been Meaning to post this for a few days now.
Been reading a book, and in there it says you should Mulch all garden beds, Even when growing carrots and Onions (and about being extra careful around them etc). How on earth does on add extra Manure and blood and bone to the soil, or does on remove little bits of the mulch where they are putting a seedling in and mix it in the soil there……..And whats the quickest way to remove grass from around fruit trees so I can apply mulch.
depends on the grass Veg and what mulch you are using. when we mulched our Mangoes, we left the grass there (it doesn’t grow so well under the dark canopy anyway) and we heavily mulched with thick heavy mulch, really thick, and the grass has come through in one or two spots, but it is easy to pull out through the mulch.
I have in the past poisoned off the grass first before mulching, but I really try to avoid that, and I have also used a layer of paper on the ground before applying the mulch…
Couch grass it is around here. Straw and some sugar cane, as mulch. I did lay some Newspaper and put the mulch on top grass just came back.
Date: 13/02/2011 08:12:55
From: Veg gardener
ID: 122895
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pain master said:
Veg gardener said:
pain master said:
If it were me Veg, I would continue to add mulching straw to your beds, including the carrots and root vegies…. their little leafy heads will keep on popping through, but I would not be feeding them up too much, you should have done all that in your preparation. Just keep the water nice and consistant.
When it comes to adding extra manure and bnb, you need to determine what state your current mulch is at and what state your beds are at. If you have cleared out a bed, and it is time to prepare, then chuck the whole lot in, the manure, the bnb and then fork it all in, old mulch et al. If your current mulch is looking new still, then pull it off, manure and bnb, fork it and then re lay the mulch.
Then give it a good drink.
Watch out because fresh manure and bnb will burn roots, so avoid doing this if the bed has too many things still growing in it.
Cheers PM. Wasn’t to sure on it and wanted to clear it up. I’ll be using the stuff out of the chook pens, so Sugar cane mulch mixed in with chook poo. I can also get straw Mixed in with cow poo from up the road, and some old round bales. think the hay/straw mixed in with the cow poo would be alright for my fruit trees.
I’d prolly let the cow/straw mix compost on-site for a while first. Cow manure can be pretty hot with all the urine… but this depends on how fresh it is before you get it!
Cheers mate, Shall let it sit there and here for a while.
Date: 13/02/2011 09:49:38
From: Dinetta
ID: 122903
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pain master said:
I’d prolly let the cow/straw mix compost on-site for a while first. Cow manure can be pretty hot with all the urine… but this depends on how fresh it is before you get it!
Are you sure about this? A free-ranging cow is like a free-ranging horse or similar: the urine is not usually poured straight on top of the dung…like horses, where the cows are kept in close confines, this is different, so the manure might well have urine added…chicken manure however, contains the “urine” of the chook as well, and so should be allowed to age (for want of a better word) before being applied directly to plants…
I’m open to debate, of course…
Date: 13/02/2011 09:54:04
From: pomolo
ID: 122907
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Dinetta said:
pain master said:
I’d prolly let the cow/straw mix compost on-site for a while first. Cow manure can be pretty hot with all the urine… but this depends on how fresh it is before you get it!
Are you sure about this? A free-ranging cow is like a free-ranging horse or similar: the urine is not usually poured straight on top of the dung…like horses, where the cows are kept in close confines, this is different, so the manure might well have urine added…chicken manure however, contains the “urine” of the chook as well, and so should be allowed to age (for want of a better word) before being applied directly to plants…
I’m open to debate, of course…
It reads to me as though Veg is getting cow man. and straw from the dairy up the road. If so then it may come direct from the dairy milking yard where urine and manure are heavily mixed. I would definately allow it to stand for a good while if this is the case.
Morning Dinetta and Veg.
Date: 13/02/2011 09:55:07
From: Dinetta
ID: 122908
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pomolo said:
Dinetta said:
pain master said:
I’d prolly let the cow/straw mix compost on-site for a while first. Cow manure can be pretty hot with all the urine… but this depends on how fresh it is before you get it!
Are you sure about this? A free-ranging cow is like a free-ranging horse or similar: the urine is not usually poured straight on top of the dung…like horses, where the cows are kept in close confines, this is different, so the manure might well have urine added…chicken manure however, contains the “urine” of the chook as well, and so should be allowed to age (for want of a better word) before being applied directly to plants…
I’m open to debate, of course…
It reads to me as though Veg is getting cow man. and straw from the dairy up the road. If so then it may come direct from the dairy milking yard where urine and manure are heavily mixed. I would definately allow it to stand for a good while if this is the case.
Morning Dinetta and Veg.
Morning Pomolo…you mean the cows might not be allowed to freely wander?
Date: 13/02/2011 09:58:53
From: pomolo
ID: 122910
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Dinetta said:
pomolo said:
Dinetta said:
Are you sure about this? A free-ranging cow is like a free-ranging horse or similar: the urine is not usually poured straight on top of the dung…like horses, where the cows are kept in close confines, this is different, so the manure might well have urine added…chicken manure however, contains the “urine” of the chook as well, and so should be allowed to age (for want of a better word) before being applied directly to plants…
I’m open to debate, of course…
It reads to me as though Veg is getting cow man. and straw from the dairy up the road. If so then it may come direct from the dairy milking yard where urine and manure are heavily mixed. I would definately allow it to stand for a good while if this is the case.
Morning Dinetta and Veg.
Morning Pomolo…you mean the cows might not be allowed to freely wander?
No, not at all. I just know if it’s taken straight from the dairy it will be overloaded. Cows are shockers for getting rid everything while they are being milked.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:00:35
From: Veg gardener
ID: 122911
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Dinetta said:
pomolo said:
Dinetta said:
Are you sure about this? A free-ranging cow is like a free-ranging horse or similar: the urine is not usually poured straight on top of the dung…like horses, where the cows are kept in close confines, this is different, so the manure might well have urine added…chicken manure however, contains the “urine” of the chook as well, and so should be allowed to age (for want of a better word) before being applied directly to plants…
I’m open to debate, of course…
It reads to me as though Veg is getting cow man. and straw from the dairy up the road. If so then it may come direct from the dairy milking yard where urine and manure are heavily mixed. I would definately allow it to stand for a good while if this is the case.
Morning Dinetta and Veg.
Morning Pomolo…you mean the cows might not be allowed to freely wander?
Most are locked up while milking 3 times a day.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:04:36
From: pepe
ID: 122913
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Veg gardener said:
Been Meaning to post this for a few days now.
Been reading a book, and in there it says you should Mulch all garden beds, Even when growing carrots and Onions (and about being extra careful around them etc). How on earth does on add extra Manure and blood and bone to the soil, or does on remove little bits of the mulch where they are putting a seedling in and mix it in the soil there……..And whats the quickest way to remove grass from around fruit trees so I can apply mulch.
The mulch breaks down each year. With fruit trees you can just keep piling on manure and mulch each year. Hand weed around the dripline (or hoe) before you do so and keep below the graft on the trunk.
If the weeds are couch. buffalo or kikuyu – it’s probably best to lay down old carpet and cover with mulch. Unfortunately to fertilise you have to lift the carpet in winter, fertilise and then replace carpet and mulch. I have never got rid of these grasses but i have kept them away from the tree trunk. You need to cut a slot in the carpet from the outer edge in the middle to the centre so the carpet is slotted around the trunk.
With carrots, corn, lettuce and others – wait for them to germinate and grow 100mm high – then hand weed and apply thick but fine mulch down the rows.
Onions are subject to stem rot so use coarse mulch like pea straw.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:05:10
From: pomolo
ID: 122914
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Veg gardener said:
Dinetta said:
pomolo said:
It reads to me as though Veg is getting cow man. and straw from the dairy up the road. If so then it may come direct from the dairy milking yard where urine and manure are heavily mixed. I would definately allow it to stand for a good while if this is the case.
Morning Dinetta and Veg.
Morning Pomolo…you mean the cows might not be allowed to freely wander?
Most are locked up while milking 3 times a day.
I guess it’s ultimately up to you then Veg. You will have to decide if the manure is too fresh to use straight away and allow it to cool off for a bit.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:06:32
From: Veg gardener
ID: 122915
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pomolo said:
Veg gardener said:
Dinetta said:
Morning Pomolo…you mean the cows might not be allowed to freely wander?
Most are locked up while milking 3 times a day.
I guess it’s ultimately up to you then Veg. You will have to decide if the manure is too fresh to use straight away and allow it to cool off for a bit.
yeah, mix it in with some sugar cane mulch in a compost bin maybe.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:07:01
From: Veg gardener
ID: 122916
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pepe said:
Veg gardener said:
Been Meaning to post this for a few days now.
Been reading a book, and in there it says you should Mulch all garden beds, Even when growing carrots and Onions (and about being extra careful around them etc). How on earth does on add extra Manure and blood and bone to the soil, or does on remove little bits of the mulch where they are putting a seedling in and mix it in the soil there……..And whats the quickest way to remove grass from around fruit trees so I can apply mulch.
The mulch breaks down each year. With fruit trees you can just keep piling on manure and mulch each year. Hand weed around the dripline (or hoe) before you do so and keep below the graft on the trunk.
If the weeds are couch. buffalo or kikuyu – it’s probably best to lay down old carpet and cover with mulch. Unfortunately to fertilise you have to lift the carpet in winter, fertilise and then replace carpet and mulch. I have never got rid of these grasses but i have kept them away from the tree trunk. You need to cut a slot in the carpet from the outer edge in the middle to the centre so the carpet is slotted around the trunk.
Carpet would Break down in the end wouldn’t it, we have a couple of rolls in the shed.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:08:54
From: Dinetta
ID: 122918
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Veg gardener said:
Carpet would Break down in the end wouldn’t it, we have a couple of rolls in the shed.
I wish it would…on the floor…
Date: 13/02/2011 10:09:23
From: pomolo
ID: 122919
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Veg gardener said:
pomolo said:
Veg gardener said:
Most are locked up while milking 3 times a day.
I guess it’s ultimately up to you then Veg. You will have to decide if the manure is too fresh to use straight away and allow it to cool off for a bit.
yeah, mix it in with some sugar cane mulch in a compost bin maybe.
We just let ours lie in a pile around the place till we are ready to use it. then it all goes through the mulcher and is ready for use.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:09:57
From: Dinetta
ID: 122920
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
When I sober up? My head clears? Whatever, Trever…I’ll look up my Encyclopaedia of Organic Gardening…for information’s sake…
Date: 13/02/2011 10:10:33
From: pomolo
ID: 122921
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Veg gardener said:
pepe said:
Veg gardener said:
Been Meaning to post this for a few days now.
Been reading a book, and in there it says you should Mulch all garden beds, Even when growing carrots and Onions (and about being extra careful around them etc). How on earth does on add extra Manure and blood and bone to the soil, or does on remove little bits of the mulch where they are putting a seedling in and mix it in the soil there……..And whats the quickest way to remove grass from around fruit trees so I can apply mulch.
The mulch breaks down each year. With fruit trees you can just keep piling on manure and mulch each year. Hand weed around the dripline (or hoe) before you do so and keep below the graft on the trunk.
If the weeds are couch. buffalo or kikuyu – it’s probably best to lay down old carpet and cover with mulch. Unfortunately to fertilise you have to lift the carpet in winter, fertilise and then replace carpet and mulch. I have never got rid of these grasses but i have kept them away from the tree trunk. You need to cut a slot in the carpet from the outer edge in the middle to the centre so the carpet is slotted around the trunk.
Carpet would Break down in the end wouldn’t it, we have a couple of rolls in the shed.
Yes it would break down but it would be a great base for around fruit trees. Pepe gave good advice there.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:11:44
From: pomolo
ID: 122922
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Dinetta said:
When I sober up? My head clears? Whatever, Trever…I’ll look up my Encyclopaedia of Organic Gardening…for information’s sake…
Did you do your Bailey’s thing last night?
Date: 13/02/2011 10:12:41
From: pomolo
ID: 122923
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pomolo said:
Veg gardener said:
pepe said:
The mulch breaks down each year. With fruit trees you can just keep piling on manure and mulch each year. Hand weed around the dripline (or hoe) before you do so and keep below the graft on the trunk.
If the weeds are couch. buffalo or kikuyu – it’s probably best to lay down old carpet and cover with mulch. Unfortunately to fertilise you have to lift the carpet in winter, fertilise and then replace carpet and mulch. I have never got rid of these grasses but i have kept them away from the tree trunk. You need to cut a slot in the carpet from the outer edge in the middle to the centre so the carpet is slotted around the trunk.
Carpet would Break down in the end wouldn’t it, we have a couple of rolls in the shed.
Yes it would break down but it would be a great base for around fruit trees. Pepe gave good advice there.
Oops! Forgot. Morning Pepe.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:15:28
From: Veg gardener
ID: 122925
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pomolo said:
Veg gardener said:
pepe said:
The mulch breaks down each year. With fruit trees you can just keep piling on manure and mulch each year. Hand weed around the dripline (or hoe) before you do so and keep below the graft on the trunk.
If the weeds are couch. buffalo or kikuyu – it’s probably best to lay down old carpet and cover with mulch. Unfortunately to fertilise you have to lift the carpet in winter, fertilise and then replace carpet and mulch. I have never got rid of these grasses but i have kept them away from the tree trunk. You need to cut a slot in the carpet from the outer edge in the middle to the centre so the carpet is slotted around the trunk.
Carpet would Break down in the end wouldn’t it, we have a couple of rolls in the shed.
Yes it would break down but it would be a great base for around fruit trees. Pepe gave good advice there.
Might chuck some around the trees, Better ask dad If I’m aloud to cut circles out of it.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:19:53
From: pepe
ID: 122926
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Carpet would Break down in the end wouldn’t it, we have a couple of rolls in the shed.
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what else can you use old carpet rolls for?
they will eventually break down . the wetter the faster the breakdown.
Actually they take a long while to completely disintegrate but if you have a roll taking up space in the shed it’s best to use it.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:24:45
From: pepe
ID: 122927
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pomolo said:
pomolo said:
Veg gardener said:
Carpet would Break down in the end wouldn’t it, we have a couple of rolls in the shed.
Yes it would break down but it would be a great base for around fruit trees. Pepe gave good advice there.
Oops! Forgot. Morning Pepe.
good morning pomolo.
it was chilly here this morning. we had a lovely cool night for sleeping but i went out to feed the chooks in my summer t-shirt and hey! – twas a chill in the air.
the blue wrens are annoying me – i think i need a hide to photograph them. they are so visible to the eye but they flit between light and shade, under and over plants, that i can’t get a clear photo.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:26:57
From: Dinetta
ID: 122929
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pomolo said:
Dinetta said:
When I sober up? My head clears? Whatever, Trever…I’ll look up my Encyclopaedia of Organic Gardening…for information’s sake…
Did you do your Bailey’s thing last night?
No, sings “red, red wine”!!
Date: 13/02/2011 10:38:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 122931
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
In my Greening of Australia days I had the team cut up squares of underfelt to put on each tree.. They all thought I was mad until they saw the results.. One local citrus orchardist snaffled all the offcuts from a local carpet store after asking me how it would work in a commercial operation. I also save all the cardboard boxes for the same usage. When I find a photo I’ll show it. got one here somewhere at least.
Manures, blood and bone, lawn clippings still fresh half cooked compost and the like.. are too hot.. They often contain high levels of nutrient and may be cooled various ways.. of course, copious quantities of water is one way but for this you need fantastic drainage.
Orchardists everywhere these days just slash the grass between the trees rather than continual disc ploughing or spraying. I can clearly remember when this all started because I was at the forefront of both mulching and retaining the humus layer in my area.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:47:01
From: bluegreen
ID: 122932
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
it will depend on what the carpet is made of whether it will break down or not. Natural fibres will rot down but synthetic wont. Some wool carpets might still have synthetic backing. My experience with carpet and couch grass is that the couch grass grows into it and then you can’t lift the carpet as it is anchored to the soil. I would recommend not to use the carpet but use cardboard, paper or underfelt (natural fibre) as roughbarked suggested.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:53:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 122933
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
bluegreen said:
it will depend on what the carpet is made of whether it will break down or not. Natural fibres will rot down but synthetic wont. Some wool carpets might still have synthetic backing. My experience with carpet and couch grass is that the couch grass grows into it and then you can’t lift the carpet as it is anchored to the soil. I would recommend not to use the carpet but use cardboard, paper or underfelt (natural fibre) as roughbarked suggested.
Yes, even wool carpets will have an enduring warp and weft that the wool is tufted through. Yes it can be rolled up and binned after the wool has gone but not so if enmeshed with couch kikuyu and the like.
By underfelt, I don’t mean the blue foam. I did mean the natural fibre. This will mould itself to the contours of the soil and be very effective.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:56:23
From: Veg gardener
ID: 122934
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pepe said:
Carpet would Break down in the end wouldn’t it, we have a couple of rolls in the shed.
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what else can you use old carpet rolls for?
they will eventually break down . the wetter the faster the breakdown.
Actually they take a long while to completely disintegrate but if you have a roll taking up space in the shed it’s best to use it.
Shed flooring,
Date: 13/02/2011 10:57:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 122935
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Veg gardener said:
pepe said:
Carpet would Break down in the end wouldn’t it, we have a couple of rolls in the shed.
——————————————-
what else can you use old carpet rolls for?
they will eventually break down . the wetter the faster the breakdown.
Actually they take a long while to completely disintegrate but if you have a roll taking up space in the shed it’s best to use it.
Shed flooring,
Rats and mice will use it to nest in if you don’t roll it out and use it somewhere.
Date: 13/02/2011 10:59:22
From: Veg gardener
ID: 122936
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
roughbarked said:
Veg gardener said:
pepe said:
Carpet would Break down in the end wouldn’t it, we have a couple of rolls in the shed.
——————————————-
what else can you use old carpet rolls for?
they will eventually break down . the wetter the faster the breakdown.
Actually they take a long while to completely disintegrate but if you have a roll taking up space in the shed it’s best to use it.
Shed flooring,
Rats and mice will use it to nest in if you don’t roll it out and use it somewhere.
shed cat keeps the shed free of rats and mice, Full of red back spiders last time I had a look.
Date: 13/02/2011 11:02:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 122937
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
Veg gardener said:
roughbarked said:
Veg gardener said:
Shed flooring,
Rats and mice will use it to nest in if you don’t roll it out and use it somewhere.
shed cat keeps the shed free of rats and mice, Full of red back spiders last time I had a look.
One cat incapable of such a deed.
Date: 13/02/2011 11:27:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 122938
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
that photo:

Date: 13/02/2011 11:29:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 122939
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
no, it isn’t meant to be a Coopers ad.. Shows I am a supporter though.
Date: 13/02/2011 12:34:36
From: pain master
ID: 122941
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
roughbarked said:
no, it isn’t meant to be a Coopers ad.. Shows I am a supporter though.
I was going to say “This mulch proudly brought to you by Coopers”
Date: 13/02/2011 12:47:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 122945
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pain master said:
roughbarked said:
no, it isn’t meant to be a Coopers ad.. Shows I am a supporter though.
I was going to say “This mulch proudly brought to you by Coopers”
Actually I’ve been meaning to ask Coopers to pay me to show it.. but I know they’ll say; “it has already been put in the public domain or almost a decade.. so you get nothing, you dolt.”
Date: 13/02/2011 13:00:12
From: pain master
ID: 122947
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
roughbarked said:
pain master said:
roughbarked said:
no, it isn’t meant to be a Coopers ad.. Shows I am a supporter though.
I was going to say “This mulch proudly brought to you by Coopers”
Actually I’ve been meaning to ask Coopers to pay me to show it.. but I know they’ll say; “it has already been put in the public domain or almost a decade.. so you get nothing, you dolt.”
yeah funny how they like to keep their profits to themselves…. I did a series of blogs on my blogsite about the virtues of SP Lager in PNG… I still haven’t see a pallet load of beer arrive on my doorstep!
Date: 13/02/2011 13:10:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 122950
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pain master said:
roughbarked said:
pain master said:
I was going to say “This mulch proudly brought to you by Coopers”
Actually I’ve been meaning to ask Coopers to pay me to show it.. but I know they’ll say; “it has already been put in the public domain or almost a decade.. so you get nothing, you dolt.”
Keep that in the back of your mind until the next time you want to buy a pair of shoes or jeans.. etc.. tshirts not an exception.
tell the saleseman you want royalties to wear advertising.
yeah funny how they like to keep their profits to themselves…. I did a series of blogs on my blogsite about the virtues of SP Lager in PNG… I still haven’t see a pallet load of beer arrive on my doorstep!
Date: 13/02/2011 13:29:07
From: pain master
ID: 122954
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
roughbarked said:
pain master said:
roughbarked said:
Actually I’ve been meaning to ask Coopers to pay me to show it.. but I know they’ll say; “it has already been put in the public domain or almost a decade.. so you get nothing, you dolt.”
Keep that in the back of your mind until the next time you want to buy a pair of shoes or jeans.. etc.. tshirts not an exception.
tell the saleseman you want royalties to wear advertising.
yeah funny how they like to keep their profits to themselves…. I did a series of blogs on my blogsite about the virtues of SP Lager in PNG… I still haven’t see a pallet load of beer arrive on my doorstep!
sorry veg, thread is hi-jacked. The companies, especially the clothing manufacturers will tell you that they have already factored in the price of your advertising…. they will tell you it will cost sooo much more if there name wasn’t emblazoned on the shirt, hat, jeans.
Date: 13/02/2011 13:48:01
From: pomolo
ID: 122958
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
bluegreen said:
it will depend on what the carpet is made of whether it will break down or not. Natural fibres will rot down but synthetic wont. Some wool carpets might still have synthetic backing. My experience with carpet and couch grass is that the couch grass grows into it and then you can’t lift the carpet as it is anchored to the soil. I would recommend not to use the carpet but use cardboard, paper or underfelt (natural fibre) as roughbarked suggested.
While we’re on the subject of carpet use, I use old carpet to line wire hanging baskets for ferns. They don’t dry our so quickly and the birds find it harder to get threads to pinch for their nest making. They (birds) make a mess of that coconut fibre you can buy to line hanging baskets. they are always pinching the Spanish Moss too (tillandsia) for the same reason.
Date: 13/02/2011 13:50:25
From: pomolo
ID: 122959
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
roughbarked said:
that photo:

The odd Coopers carton there RB. lol.
Date: 13/02/2011 14:07:28
From: pepe
ID: 122962
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
popular topic.
i think this type of carpet is OK
P1 – carpet
P2 – rolled back showing light deprived crushed grass beneath
P3 – centre field – black sapote was hopelessly lost in the couch – now looks cared for.



Date: 13/02/2011 14:10:33
From: pepe
ID: 122963
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
and in the tropical corner …..
P1 – sheep poo thrown on top of mulch and then…..
P2 – …mulched again


Date: 13/02/2011 14:15:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 122965
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pomolo said:
bluegreen said:
it will depend on what the carpet is made of whether it will break down or not. Natural fibres will rot down but synthetic wont. Some wool carpets might still have synthetic backing. My experience with carpet and couch grass is that the couch grass grows into it and then you can’t lift the carpet as it is anchored to the soil. I would recommend not to use the carpet but use cardboard, paper or underfelt (natural fibre) as roughbarked suggested.
While we’re on the subject of carpet use, I use old carpet to line wire hanging baskets for ferns. They don’t dry our so quickly and the birds find it harder to get threads to pinch for their nest making. They (birds) make a mess of that coconut fibre you can buy to line hanging baskets. they are always pinching the Spanish Moss too (tillandsia) for the same reason.
Hanging baskets, or say where shrubs are near paths and birds ie: blackbirds toss the mulch out on the path..
Date: 13/02/2011 14:38:55
From: pomolo
ID: 122971
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pepe said:
popular topic.
i think this type of carpet is OK
P1 – carpet
P2 – rolled back showing light deprived crushed grass beneath
P3 – centre field – black sapote was hopelessly lost in the couch – now looks cared for.



It works well there Pepe. To my mind it doesn’t matter if it’s natural fibre or not. Eventually it all vanishes. It’s just a matter of time.
Date: 13/02/2011 14:45:17
From: bubba louie
ID: 122974
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pomolo said:
bluegreen said:
it will depend on what the carpet is made of whether it will break down or not. Natural fibres will rot down but synthetic wont. Some wool carpets might still have synthetic backing. My experience with carpet and couch grass is that the couch grass grows into it and then you can’t lift the carpet as it is anchored to the soil. I would recommend not to use the carpet but use cardboard, paper or underfelt (natural fibre) as roughbarked suggested.
While we’re on the subject of carpet use, I use old carpet to line wire hanging baskets for ferns. They don’t dry our so quickly and the birds find it harder to get threads to pinch for their nest making. They (birds) make a mess of that coconut fibre you can buy to line hanging baskets. they are always pinching the Spanish Moss too (tillandsia) for the same reason.
I was using old underlay, and very good it was too, until I heard about the possibility of asbestos in it.
Date: 13/02/2011 14:46:52
From: pomolo
ID: 122977
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
bubba louie said:
pomolo said:
bluegreen said:
it will depend on what the carpet is made of whether it will break down or not. Natural fibres will rot down but synthetic wont. Some wool carpets might still have synthetic backing. My experience with carpet and couch grass is that the couch grass grows into it and then you can’t lift the carpet as it is anchored to the soil. I would recommend not to use the carpet but use cardboard, paper or underfelt (natural fibre) as roughbarked suggested.
While we’re on the subject of carpet use, I use old carpet to line wire hanging baskets for ferns. They don’t dry our so quickly and the birds find it harder to get threads to pinch for their nest making. They (birds) make a mess of that coconut fibre you can buy to line hanging baskets. they are always pinching the Spanish Moss too (tillandsia) for the same reason.
I was using old underlay, and very good it was too, until I heard about the possibility of asbestos in it.
For ferns I don’t care. I won’t be eating them.
Date: 13/02/2011 14:52:08
From: bubba louie
ID: 122982
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pomolo said:
bubba louie said:
pomolo said:
While we’re on the subject of carpet use, I use old carpet to line wire hanging baskets for ferns. They don’t dry our so quickly and the birds find it harder to get threads to pinch for their nest making. They (birds) make a mess of that coconut fibre you can buy to line hanging baskets. they are always pinching the Spanish Moss too (tillandsia) for the same reason.
I was using old underlay, and very good it was too, until I heard about the possibility of asbestos in it.
For ferns I don’t care. I won’t be eating them.
It’s the breathing in while using it that worried me.
Date: 13/02/2011 14:52:24
From: bon008
ID: 122983
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pomolo said:
bluegreen said:
it will depend on what the carpet is made of whether it will break down or not. Natural fibres will rot down but synthetic wont. Some wool carpets might still have synthetic backing. My experience with carpet and couch grass is that the couch grass grows into it and then you can’t lift the carpet as it is anchored to the soil. I would recommend not to use the carpet but use cardboard, paper or underfelt (natural fibre) as roughbarked suggested.
While we’re on the subject of carpet use, I use old carpet to line wire hanging baskets for ferns. They don’t dry our so quickly and the birds find it harder to get threads to pinch for their nest making. They (birds) make a mess of that coconut fibre you can buy to line hanging baskets. they are always pinching the Spanish Moss too (tillandsia) for the same reason.
I love watching the birds come and grab bits from the coconut fibre :) (mind you, the hanging basket I’m thinking of is populated by something dead, so it’s not like the birds can do any harm! I’ve just left it hanging so they can come and get nesting material – and because I’m lazy)
Date: 13/02/2011 19:30:27
From: Veg gardener
ID: 123033
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pain master said:
roughbarked said:
no, it isn’t meant to be a Coopers ad.. Shows I am a supporter though.
I was going to say “This mulch proudly brought to you by Coopers”
lol.
Date: 13/02/2011 19:32:10
From: Veg gardener
ID: 123034
Subject: re: Mulching gardens and fruit trees.
pain master said:
roughbarked said:
pain master said:
Keep that in the back of your mind until the next time you want to buy a pair of shoes or jeans.. etc.. tshirts not an exception.
tell the saleseman you want royalties to wear advertising.
yeah funny how they like to keep their profits to themselves…. I did a series of blogs on my blogsite about the virtues of SP Lager in PNG… I still haven’t see a pallet load of beer arrive on my doorstep!
sorry veg, thread is hi-jacked. The companies, especially the clothing manufacturers will tell you that they have already factored in the price of your advertising…. they will tell you it will cost sooo much more if there name wasn’t emblazoned on the shirt, hat, jeans.
that’s alright pepe, didn’t take long did it.