https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-01/donald-trump-anthony-albanese-peter-dutton-mortgage-war/105123222

None of the grievances listed by the top US trade official are up for negotiation, Albanese said.

“The idea that we would weaken biosecurity laws is really that, as my mum would say, cutting off your nose to spite your face,” Albanese said.

“You undermine our biosecurity system. Not on my watch. On my watch, our biosecurity system is essential.”

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton, in a break with normal campaign programming, backed-in the prime minister.

“I agree with the prime minister’s position. I’m not going to compromise issues of national significance and importance.”
—-
A rare bit of bipartisan agreement. A similar state seems to exist in Canada.

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-01/donald-trump-anthony-albanese-peter-dutton-mortgage-war/105123222

None of the grievances listed by the top US trade official are up for negotiation, Albanese said.

“The idea that we would weaken biosecurity laws is really that, as my mum would say, cutting off your nose to spite your face,” Albanese said.

“You undermine our biosecurity system. Not on my watch. On my watch, our biosecurity system is essential.”

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton, in a break with normal campaign programming, backed-in the prime minister.

“I agree with the prime minister’s position. I’m not going to compromise issues of national significance and importance.”
—-
A rare bit of bipartisan agreement. A similar state seems to exist in Canada.

I believe most Australians value our biosecurity, pbs, etc, even if they think trump is OK. So it would be in the oppositions best interest to support the government stance.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-01/donald-trump-anthony-albanese-peter-dutton-mortgage-war/105123222

None of the grievances listed by the top US trade official are up for negotiation, Albanese said.

“The idea that we would weaken biosecurity laws is really that, as my mum would say, cutting off your nose to spite your face,” Albanese said.

“You undermine our biosecurity system. Not on my watch. On my watch, our biosecurity system is essential.”

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton, in a break with normal campaign programming, backed-in the prime minister.

“I agree with the prime minister’s position. I’m not going to compromise issues of national significance and importance.”
—-
A rare bit of bipartisan agreement. A similar state seems to exist in Canada.

I believe most Australians value our biosecurity, pbs, etc, even if they think trump is OK. So it would be in the oppositions best interest to support the government stance.

But, what does Gina think about it?

captain_spalding said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-01/donald-trump-anthony-albanese-peter-dutton-mortgage-war/105123222

None of the grievances listed by the top US trade official are up for negotiation, Albanese said.

“The idea that we would weaken biosecurity laws is really that, as my mum would say, cutting off your nose to spite your face,” Albanese said.

“You undermine our biosecurity system. Not on my watch. On my watch, our biosecurity system is essential.”

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton, in a break with normal campaign programming, backed-in the prime minister.

“I agree with the prime minister’s position. I’m not going to compromise issues of national significance and importance.”
—-
A rare bit of bipartisan agreement. A similar state seems to exist in Canada.

I believe most Australians value our biosecurity, pbs, etc, even if they think trump is OK. So it would be in the oppositions best interest to support the government stance.

But, what does Gina think about it?

doesn’t matter if the voters don’t vote for him.

Just saw an by Advance Australia with the slogan about Albo ‘Weak, woke, and sending us broke’. I’m not watching broadcast tv so this may be a niche online ad run but I can’t recall Get-Up ever running tv ads. This was the third Advance Australia ad on a different topic I’ve seen.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Just saw an by Advance Australia with the slogan about Albo ‘Weak, woke, and sending us broke’. I’m not watching broadcast tv so this may be a niche online ad run but I can’t recall Get-Up ever running tv ads. This was the third Advance Australia ad on a different topic I’ve seen.

sending us broke is so not true.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Just saw an by Advance Australia with the slogan about Albo ‘Weak, woke, and sending us broke’. I’m not watching broadcast tv so this may be a niche online ad run but I can’t recall Get-Up ever running tv ads. This was the third Advance Australia ad on a different topic I’ve seen.

sending us broke is so not true.

Ahhh RWNJs… what are ya gonna do? I blame PWM.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Just saw an by Advance Australia with the slogan about Albo ‘Weak, woke, and sending us broke’. I’m not watching broadcast tv so this may be a niche online ad run but I can’t recall Get-Up ever running tv ads. This was the third Advance Australia ad on a different topic I’ve seen.

sending us broke is so not true.

I don’t believe anything any politician says.

Gay marriage was gunna wipe Whyalla off the map.

Both are still here.

He also slammed Mr Albanese’s comparison between Australian naval exercises and Chinese activities in Australian waters as “completely offensive to the men and women of the Royal Australian Navy”.

that’s right, it’s offensive to suggest that men and women of the Royal Australian Navy follow international law

On ABC’s Afternoon Briefing, Labor MP Josh Burns agreed that Dutton sounded like “our friends in America” and accused him of “playing … culture wars”.

At a Sky News forum on Monday night in his electorate of Dickson, Dutton was asked what the Coalition would do to combat “the woke agenda” in education.

The Liberal party leader did not use the word “woke”, as the questioner did, but responded that the federal government could “influence” state governments about what schools taught.

“We do provide funding to the state governments and we can condition that funding,” Dutton said.

“We should be saying to the states … that we want our kids to be taught the curriculum … not be guided into some sort of an agenda that’s come out of universities,” he said.

“That’s a debate that we need to hear more from parents on. I think there is a silent majority on this issue right across the community.”

The Greens accused Dutton – who has previously hinted the education department could be reduced if he was elected – of seeking to hold education funding to ransom.

Dutton began his answer on Monday night by saying the federal education department employs “thousands and thousands of people” but “doesn’t own or run a school”.

“Which is why people ask: ‘Why is there is a department of thousands and thousands of people in Canberra called the education department if we don’t have a school or employ a teacher?’” he said.

Dutton doubled down on the topic on Tuesday. He did not provide specific examples of lessons or subjects he viewed as “woke”, but raised examples of university lecturers joining political protests and said the Coalition’s curriculum would “reflect community standards”.

more..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/01/labor-dutton-trump-comparison-doge-school-curriculum

tertiary education is for wokists

SCIENCE said:

tertiary education is for wokists

in florida it is becoming only for men.

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

tertiary education is for wokists

in florida it is becoming only for men.

damn that taliban influence is really quite something

sarahs mum said:

On ABC’s Afternoon Briefing, Labor MP Josh Burns agreed that Dutton sounded like “our friends in America” and accused him of “playing … culture wars”.

At a Sky News forum on Monday night in his electorate of Dickson, Dutton was asked what the Coalition would do to combat “the woke agenda” in education.

The Liberal party leader did not use the word “woke”, as the questioner did, but responded that the federal government could “influence” state governments about what schools taught.

“We do provide funding to the state governments and we can condition that funding,” Dutton said.

“We should be saying to the states … that we want our kids to be taught the curriculum … not be guided into some sort of an agenda that’s come out of universities,” he said.

“That’s a debate that we need to hear more from parents on. I think there is a silent majority on this issue right across the community.”

The Greens accused Dutton – who has previously hinted the education department could be reduced if he was elected – of seeking to hold education funding to ransom.

Dutton began his answer on Monday night by saying the federal education department employs “thousands and thousands of people” but “doesn’t own or run a school”.

“Which is why people ask: ‘Why is there is a department of thousands and thousands of people in Canberra called the education department if we don’t have a school or employ a teacher?’” he said.

Dutton doubled down on the topic on Tuesday. He did not provide specific examples of lessons or subjects he viewed as “woke”, but raised examples of university lecturers joining political protests and said the Coalition’s curriculum would “reflect community standards”.

more..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/01/labor-dutton-trump-comparison-doge-school-curriculum

The curriculum for every year from foundation to yr 12 is freely available on the internet. Perhaps he might like to take a look at what is actually taught, as well as what the DoE does.

I assume he’s worried about six year olds learning about Heather having two mummies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Has_Two_Mommies

but raised examples of university lecturers joining political protests
—-
such a lot of the art school was arrested during the Franklin protests. one of master’s supers protests duck shooting each year. lots of my art school buddies were at the salmon protests last weekend. Damn these people who know about fish and birds and beetles and skates.

sarahs mum said:

On ABC’s Afternoon Briefing, Labor MP Josh Burns agreed that Dutton sounded like “our friends in America” and accused him of “playing … culture wars”.

At a Sky News forum on Monday night in his electorate of Dickson, Dutton was asked what the Coalition would do to combat “the woke agenda” in education.

The Liberal party leader did not use the word “woke”, as the questioner did, but responded that the federal government could “influence” state governments about what schools taught.

“We do provide funding to the state governments and we can condition that funding,” Dutton said.

“We should be saying to the states … that we want our kids to be taught the curriculum … not be guided into some sort of an agenda that’s come out of universities,” he said.

“That’s a debate that we need to hear more from parents on. I think there is a silent majority on this issue right across the community.”

The Greens accused Dutton – who has previously hinted the education department could be reduced if he was elected – of seeking to hold education funding to ransom.

Dutton began his answer on Monday night by saying the federal education department employs “thousands and thousands of people” but “doesn’t own or run a school”.

“Which is why people ask: ‘Why is there is a department of thousands and thousands of people in Canberra called the education department if we don’t have a school or employ a teacher?’” he said.

Dutton doubled down on the topic on Tuesday. He did not provide specific examples of lessons or subjects he viewed as “woke”, but raised examples of university lecturers joining political protests and said the Coalition’s curriculum would “reflect community standards”.

more..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/01/labor-dutton-trump-comparison-doge-school-curriculum

Well, Dutton has seen it work for Trump.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

On ABC’s Afternoon Briefing, Labor MP Josh Burns agreed that Dutton sounded like “our friends in America” and accused him of “playing … culture wars”.

At a Sky News forum on Monday night in his electorate of Dickson, Dutton was asked what the Coalition would do to combat “the woke agenda” in education.

The Liberal party leader did not use the word “woke”, as the questioner did, but responded that the federal government could “influence” state governments about what schools taught.

“We do provide funding to the state governments and we can condition that funding,” Dutton said.

“We should be saying to the states … that we want our kids to be taught the curriculum … not be guided into some sort of an agenda that’s come out of universities,” he said.

“That’s a debate that we need to hear more from parents on. I think there is a silent majority on this issue right across the community.”

The Greens accused Dutton – who has previously hinted the education department could be reduced if he was elected – of seeking to hold education funding to ransom.

Dutton began his answer on Monday night by saying the federal education department employs “thousands and thousands of people” but “doesn’t own or run a school”.

“Which is why people ask: ‘Why is there is a department of thousands and thousands of people in Canberra called the education department if we don’t have a school or employ a teacher?’” he said.

Dutton doubled down on the topic on Tuesday. He did not provide specific examples of lessons or subjects he viewed as “woke”, but raised examples of university lecturers joining political protests and said the Coalition’s curriculum would “reflect community standards”.

more..

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/01/labor-dutton-trump-comparison-doge-school-curriculum

Well, Dutton has seen it work for Trump.

As I understand it, the Federal govt subsidises the private school system. If Peter Dutton wants to abolish the Federal Education Department and deprive Kings School and Scotch College of their federal funding, let him go ahead.

“If I needed to have a fight with Donald Trump or any other world leader to advance our nation’s interests, I’d do it in a heartbeat,” he said. “I’d put the Americans on notice and anyone else who seeks to act against our national interests.”

LOL sure

SCIENCE said:

“If I needed to have a fight with Donald Trump or any other world leader to advance our nation’s interests, I’d do it in a heartbeat,” he said. “I’d put the Americans on notice and anyone else who seeks to act against our national interests.”

LOL sure

Just like Abbott, T. was going to ‘shirtfront’ Putin.

Didn’t he do a good job of that?

Members of SA’s First Nations Voice say they feel the state government is listening to their advice on legislation, but the model could be improved. Concerns about a lack of resources, staff and travel funding were common among elected members.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-02/voice-to-parliament-south-australia-two-year-anniversary/105090206

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

“If I needed to have a fight with Donald Trump or any other world leader to advance our nation’s interests, I’d do it in a heartbeat,” he said. “I’d put the Americans on notice and anyone else who seeks to act against our national interests.”

LOL sure

Just like Abbott, T. was going to ‘shirtfront’ Putin.

Didn’t he do a good job of that?

well… yes, it’s dirty Labor’s fault that Vladi boy started the special military operation on their watch, good old ‘bot T and Marketing were able to hold them off until then

ABC News:

This level of determination/stubbornness from a Premier does not come cheaply.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

This level of determination/stubbornness from a Premier does not come cheaply.

no way oh c’m‘on the checks and balances will keep them in line

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

This level of determination/stubbornness from a Premier does not come cheaply.

eric Abetz heads the stadium build.

happy April 1 day

Ms Boele, who is trying to claim the seat of Bradfield from the Liberals, received a letter of complaint from the salon’s owner last week after telling the 19-year-old employee that her haircut was “amazing, and I didn’t even have sex with you”. She confirmed the incident in a statement to the ABC. “It was a poor attempt at humour and I’ve apologised. Everyone deserves to feel respected in their workplace and I’ll do better,” she said.

but seriously wtf eh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-01/teal-independent-bradfield-nicolette-boele-apologises-hair-salon/105124018

ABC News:

Any guesses as to who he puts in charge of that?

I’d wager that her initials are ‘G.R’.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Any guesses as to who he puts in charge of that?

I’d wager that her initials are ‘G.R’.

Education enough to train kids to work in the mines.
Health cuts to all mining-related diseases.
The ABC is already helmed by an ex Murdoch shill.

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Any guesses as to who he puts in charge of that?

I’d wager that her initials are ‘G.R’.

Education enough to train kids to work in the mines.
Health cuts to all mining-related diseases.
The ABC is already helmed by an ex Murdoch shill.

I mean, tell us that you’re going to be ‘Australia’s Trump’ without saying that you’re going to be ‘Australia’s Trump’.

captain_spalding said:

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Any guesses as to who he puts in charge of that?

I’d wager that her initials are ‘G.R’.

Education enough to train kids to work in the mines.
Health cuts to all mining-related diseases.
The ABC is already helmed by an ex Murdoch shill.

I mean, tell us that you’re going to be ‘Australia’s Trump’ without saying that you’re going to be ‘Australia’s Trump’.

Apparently they in the party aren’t happy with this linking him to Trump.

Young women are easily ignored and forgotten in politics, but in Australia that’s changing.

While globally there’s been a focus on young men drifting to the right, here in Australia progressive young women have the potential to become the bigger wrecking ball of politics, threatening both Labor and the Coalition’s hold on critical seats.

In the inner-city, they could be among the key voters who hand traditional Labor seats to the Greens, and in the suburbs and regions they could turn conservative electorates red. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-02/young-women-vote-election-gen-z-millennial/105126324

roughbarked said:

Young women are easily ignored and forgotten in politics, but in Australia that’s changing.

While globally there’s been a focus on young men drifting to the right, here in Australia progressive young women have the potential to become the bigger wrecking ball of politics, threatening both Labor and the Coalition’s hold on critical seats.

In the inner-city, they could be among the key voters who hand traditional Labor seats to the Greens, and in the suburbs and regions they could turn conservative electorates red. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-02/young-women-vote-election-gen-z-millennial/105126324

Son’s friend for school is now serving her second term as a Green in the ACT govt.

Brindabellas said:

roughbarked said:

Young women are easily ignored and forgotten in politics, but in Australia that’s changing.

While globally there’s been a focus on young men drifting to the right, here in Australia progressive young women have the potential to become the bigger wrecking ball of politics, threatening both Labor and the Coalition’s hold on critical seats.

In the inner-city, they could be among the key voters who hand traditional Labor seats to the Greens, and in the suburbs and regions they could turn conservative electorates red. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-02/young-women-vote-election-gen-z-millennial/105126324

Son’s friend for school is now serving her second term as a Green in the ACT govt.

the young female barrister that stood for the libs in the local council was a PITA… signs fucking everywhere… constant barrage of local emails and posts on local pages… we had to block her on our community page because of the saturation marketing … her theory seemed to be to badger and annoy people into voting for her…

she .did .not. win

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Any guesses as to who he puts in charge of that?

I’d wager that her initials are ‘G.R’.

he has already said that Jacinta Nampijinpa Price would head up his version of DOGE

diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Any guesses as to who he puts in charge of that?

I’d wager that her initials are ‘G.R’.

he has already said that Jacinta Nampijinpa Price would head up his version of DOGE

She’s a quality choice.

look, it’s a commemoration not a cel… incel…

wait

LOL

(alleged)

SCIENCE said:

look, it’s a commemoration not a cel… incel…

wait

LOL

(alleged)

Take no notice of him. Very few do.

Babet is a dipstick.

LOL

The United Kingdom has launched a parliamentary inquiry into the AUKUS partnership, with its scope to include the “impact of geopolitical shifts” on the deal since it was signed.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-03/britain-launches-aukus-parliamentary-inquiry/105130406

Witty Rejoinder said:

When’s he gonna start using orange makeup like Trump?

Divine Angel said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

When’s he gonna start using orange makeup like Trump?

Less potato, more pumpkin?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

When’s he gonna start using orange makeup like Trump?

Less potato, more pumpkin?

We’ll have to change his nickname to Butternut:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Divine Angel said:

When’s he gonna start using orange makeup like Trump?

Less potato, more pumpkin?

We’ll have to change his nickname to Butternut:

I mean if he is going to end the waste wouldn’t that be done by resigning?

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Less potato, more pumpkin?

We’ll have to change his nickname to Butternut:

I mean if he is going to end the waste wouldn’t that be done by resigning?

The waste of space?

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

We’ll have to change his nickname to Butternut:

I mean if he is going to end the waste wouldn’t that be done by resigning?

The waste of space?

Yar.

Divine Angel said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

When’s he gonna start using orange makeup like Trump?

eeew

It’s All Protected Free Speech Unless It’s Woke¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-03/fears-over-coalition-woke-education-crackdown-election-2025/105128648

then it’s probably terrorism

genocide is free speech

SCIENCE said:

It’s All Protected Free Speech Unless It’s Woke¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-03/fears-over-coalition-woke-education-crackdown-election-2025/105128648

then it’s probably terrorism

genocide is free speech

and education is “wasteful government spending” .

Witty Rejoinder said:

Dutton’s sure making himself seem like a Trump clone.

link

Ian said:

She doesn’t have tweezers though

Cymek said:

Ian said:

She doesn’t have tweezers though

According to the push polling of the ABC vote compass I’m slightly to the left of the LNP and a fair way to the right of the ALP. They never give the results of the the ABC survey.
LOL.

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Ian said:

She doesn’t have tweezers though

According to the push polling of the ABC vote compass I’m slightly to the left of the LNP and a fair way to the right of the ALP. They never give the results of the the ABC survey.
LOL.

I’m just a little to the left of you then.

I don’t think that polls worth the paper it isn’t printed on.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

She doesn’t have tweezers though

According to the push polling of the ABC vote compass I’m slightly to the left of the LNP and a fair way to the right of the ALP. They never give the results of the the ABC survey.
LOL.

I’m just a little to the left of you then.

I don’t think that polls worth the paper it isn’t printed on.

This is where they dumped me:

Is the Trumpet party so far right it’s off the chart?

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

According to the push polling of the ABC vote compass I’m slightly to the left of the LNP and a fair way to the right of the ALP. They never give the results of the the ABC survey.
LOL.

I’m just a little to the left of you then.

I don’t think that polls worth the paper it isn’t printed on.

This is where they dumped me:

I’m in the same general area. Slightly more towards the line between conservative and progressive. I did the non compulsory questions too…took me a while to tick all my ancestral roots. Initially I didn’t realize I had to keep going back to pick another one, I thought I would be able to tick the relevent ones and then go on to the next question, but after each tick I had to go back and ask for the list again each time. I’m not particularly interesting…Australian/English/Irish/Scottish.

Probably the Nats should have a separate dot rather than lumping the LNP together so that their agrarian socialism can be reflected.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

She doesn’t have tweezers though

According to the push polling of the ABC vote compass I’m slightly to the left of the LNP and a fair way to the right of the ALP. They never give the results of the the ABC survey.
LOL.

I’m just a little to the left of you then.

I don’t think that polls worth the paper it isn’t printed on.

I see you Rev…

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

She doesn’t have tweezers though

According to the push polling of the ABC vote compass I’m slightly to the left of the LNP and a fair way to the right of the ALP. They never give the results of the the ABC survey.
LOL.

I’m just a little to the left of you then.

I don’t think that polls worth the paper it isn’t printed on.

Centrist scum!

I had a try as well.

Not sure I agree entirely with it as I cannot think of anything at all I like the LNP & ON & TOP, etc, doing and some fairly important things the ALP are doing, but …

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

According to the push polling of the ABC vote compass I’m slightly to the left of the LNP and a fair way to the right of the ALP. They never give the results of the the ABC survey.
LOL.

I’m just a little to the left of you then.

I don’t think that polls worth the paper it isn’t printed on.

Centrist scum!

Ummm…

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

According to the push polling of the ABC vote compass I’m slightly to the left of the LNP and a fair way to the right of the ALP. They never give the results of the the ABC survey.
LOL.

I’m just a little to the left of you then.

I don’t think that polls worth the paper it isn’t printed on.

I see you Rev…

we did this a few years back and I kept all the posts, but I dont know if I can find them again…

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

According to the push polling of the ABC vote compass I’m slightly to the left of the LNP and a fair way to the right of the ALP. They never give the results of the the ABC survey.
LOL.

I’m just a little to the left of you then.

I don’t think that polls worth the paper it isn’t printed on.

I see you Rev…

bloody lefty :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m just a little to the left of you then.

I don’t think that polls worth the paper it isn’t printed on.

I see you Rev…

bloody lefty :)

Looks like I’m more left.

I clicked the opposite of what I actually believe, and said I was voting for the Trumpet party this election.

Divine Angel said:

I clicked the opposite of what I actually believe, and said I was voting for the Trumpet party this election.

That put you way out there. ——>> ;)

Peter Dutton and Gina Rinehart fall out over Coalition gas plan, net zero

Oh dear !

Though that’s a more accurate portrait of her.

Divine Angel said:

I clicked the opposite of what I actually believe, and said I was voting for the Trumpet party this election.

Yair – good onya.

:)

Divine Angel said:

I clicked the opposite of what I actually believe, and said I was voting for the Trumpet party this election.

You are going to muck up their stats! Do it again and vote for Pauline.

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

I clicked the opposite of what I actually believe, and said I was voting for the Trumpet party this election.

You are going to muck up their stats! Do it again and vote for Pauline.

:)

I simply hope she didn’t click yes for them to contact her about other polls.

Oh yes, forgot to report. We got a mailout from Alex Dyson this morning. With an explicit warning about only doing your postal voting through the AEC and not using return envelopes political parties might send to you.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

I see you Rev…

bloody lefty :)

Looks like I’m more left.

I deliberately voted for the cannabis party wherever it came up to see how that skewed the results. It didn’t get me other than a little closer to the greens, though I voted away from the greens on many other issues.

Essentially though, I was mainly neutral on many of the questions.

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m just a little to the left of you then.

I don’t think that polls worth the paper it isn’t printed on.

I see you Rev…

bloody lefty :)

IKR, who would have thought

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

diddly-squat said:

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

We all guessed you’d say that.

diddly-squat said:

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

Cough.

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

We all guessed you’d say that.

Which quiz is this please?

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

We all guessed you’d say that.

Which quiz is this please?

Vote Compass ABC.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

We all guessed you’d say that.

Which quiz is this please?

Vote Compass ABC.

Oh yes. I’d forgotten vote compass. Thank you.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Which quiz is this please?

Vote Compass ABC.

Oh yes. I’d forgotten vote compass. Thank you.

No wukkas. ;)

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton and Gina Rinehart fall out over Coalition gas plan, net zero

Oh dear !

Though that’s a more accurate portrait of her.

“The industry has criticised the policy as unexpected, and warned that it will discourage investment in new supply, resulting in a worse outlook for the energy market.”

We over here in WA have a reserved gas for domestic use policy. I don’t know if we get it cheaper, haven’t looked. That policy doesn’t seem to have affected our gas exports.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton and Gina Rinehart fall out over Coalition gas plan, net zero

Oh dear !

Though that’s a more accurate portrait of her.

“The industry has criticised the policy as unexpected, and warned that it will discourage investment in new supply, resulting in a worse outlook for the energy market.”

We over here in WA have a reserved gas for domestic use policy. I don’t know if we get it cheaper, haven’t looked. That policy doesn’t seem to have affected our gas exports.

https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-jobs-tourism-science-and-innovation/wa-domestic-gas-policy-updates…

Link

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Peter Dutton and Gina Rinehart fall out over Coalition gas plan, net zero

Oh dear !

Though that’s a more accurate portrait of her.

“The industry has criticised the policy as unexpected, and warned that it will discourage investment in new supply, resulting in a worse outlook for the energy market.”

We over here in WA have a reserved gas for domestic use policy. I don’t know if we get it cheaper, haven’t looked. That policy doesn’t seem to have affected our gas exports.

https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-jobs-tourism-science-and-innovation/wa-domestic-gas-policy-updates…

Link

We should never have a gas supply problem if they can export it.

Cymek said:

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

“The industry has criticised the policy as unexpected, and warned that it will discourage investment in new supply, resulting in a worse outlook for the energy market.”

We over here in WA have a reserved gas for domestic use policy. I don’t know if we get it cheaper, haven’t looked. That policy doesn’t seem to have affected our gas exports.

https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-jobs-tourism-science-and-innovation/wa-domestic-gas-policy-updates…

Link

We should never have a gas supply problem if they can export it.

Wonder why nobody ever thought?

Michael V said:

diddly-squat said:

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

Cough.

that would be the black lung

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

diddly-squat said:

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

Cough.

that would be the black lung

Two of my uncles had that.

SCIENCE said:

oopsie.

diddly-squat said:

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

:)

Well I didn’t.

The point being that such a ban would do bugger all to reduce global emissions, and would further politicise the debate, and thus slow down work on things that really would reduce emissions.

SCIENCE said:

So Albo is falling to the right now?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

So Albo is falling to the right now?

I reckon he’d get a giggle out of that.

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

:)

Well I didn’t.

The point being that such a ban would do bugger all to reduce global emissions, and would further politicise the debate, and thus slow down work on things that really would reduce emissions.

looks to my right…

I clicked on the “somewhat agree” button because it’s complicated and some projects really shouldn’t ever be approved, while others are, IMO, worthy of approval.

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

:)

Well I didn’t.

The point being that such a ban would do bugger all to reduce global emissions, and would further politicise the debate, and thus slow down work on things that really would reduce emissions.

looks to my right…

I clicked on the “somewhat agree” button because it’s complicated and some projects really shouldn’t ever be approved, while others are, IMO, worthy of approval.

Well I was in constant conflict with the somewhat or, choices. Mostly it was more complicated than that and I found myself hovering on the neutral button.

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

:)

Well I didn’t.

The point being that such a ban would do bugger all to reduce global emissions, and would further politicise the debate, and thus slow down work on things that really would reduce emissions.

looks to my right…

I clicked on the “somewhat agree” button because it’s complicated and some projects really shouldn’t ever be approved, while others are, IMO, worthy of approval.

I think my demographic isn’t as keen on migration. this week I am all in. atm Canada is offering quick turnaround citizenship for medic personnel. and there are lots of scientists that need a home.

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

:)

Well I didn’t.

The point being that such a ban would do bugger all to reduce global emissions, and would further politicise the debate, and thus slow down work on things that really would reduce emissions.

looks to my right…

I clicked on the “somewhat agree” button because it’s complicated and some projects really shouldn’t ever be approved, while others are, IMO, worthy of approval.

Well I was in constant conflict with the somewhat or, choices. Mostly it was more complicated than that and I found myself hovering on the neutral button.

I agree, almost all of them don’t have a simple yes/no answer, but I was reluctant to go neutral so chat a somewhat option.

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

:)

Well I didn’t.

The point being that such a ban would do bugger all to reduce global emissions, and would further politicise the debate, and thus slow down work on things that really would reduce emissions.

looks to my right…

I clicked on the “somewhat agree” button because it’s complicated and some projects really shouldn’t ever be approved, while others are, IMO, worthy of approval.

I think my demographic isn’t as keen on migration. this week I am all in. atm Canada is offering quick turnaround citizenship for medic personnel. and there are lots of scientists that need a home.

The rest of the world is going to benefit from the influx of escapee scientists from the new land of flat earthers.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

looks to my right…

I clicked on the “somewhat agree” button because it’s complicated and some projects really shouldn’t ever be approved, while others are, IMO, worthy of approval.

Well I was in constant conflict with the somewhat or, choices. Mostly it was more complicated than that and I found myself hovering on the neutral button.

I agree, almost all of them don’t have a simple yes/no answer, but I was reluctant to go neutral so chat a somewhat option.

Yep.

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

diddly-squat said:

at least I know no one here would have clicked strongly agree on the no new coal and gas question

Cough.

that would be the black lung

Probably.

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

Cough.

that would be the black lung

Two of my uncles had that.

How’d they get that?

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

looks to my right…

I clicked on the “somewhat agree” button because it’s complicated and some projects really shouldn’t ever be approved, while others are, IMO, worthy of approval.

I think my demographic isn’t as keen on migration. this week I am all in. atm Canada is offering quick turnaround citizenship for medic personnel. and there are lots of scientists that need a home.

The rest of the world is going to benefit from the influx of escapee scientists from the new land of flat earthers.

We can excuse any fascist leanings if they help us with our rockets

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

that would be the black lung

Two of my uncles had that.

How’d they get that?

Railways, I believe?
Aother suffered in a blast furnace incident.
or maybe my memory is making things up, there is no one left to verify anything.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

I think my demographic isn’t as keen on migration. this week I am all in. atm Canada is offering quick turnaround citizenship for medic personnel. and there are lots of scientists that need a home.

The rest of the world is going to benefit from the influx of escapee scientists from the new land of flat earthers.

We can excuse any fascist leanings if they help us with our rockets

The V2 went way further than Hitler intended.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

looks to my right…

I clicked on the “somewhat agree” button because it’s complicated and some projects really shouldn’t ever be approved, while others are, IMO, worthy of approval.

I think my demographic isn’t as keen on migration. this week I am all in. atm Canada is offering quick turnaround citizenship for medic personnel. and there are lots of scientists that need a home.

The rest of the world is going to benefit from the influx of escapee scientists from the new land of flat earthers.

new lol

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

I think my demographic isn’t as keen on migration. this week I am all in. atm Canada is offering quick turnaround citizenship for medic personnel. and there are lots of scientists that need a home.

The rest of the world is going to benefit from the influx of escapee scientists from the new land of flat earthers.

We can excuse any fascist leanings if they help us with our rockets

isn’t the USSA the place that took the most experts leaving the old fascism, so whichever place takes the most experts leaving the new fascism … oh

Being political tragics I’m sure you’ve covered this but I’ll put it here anyway just in case you all missed it.

Peak Warming Man said:

Being political tragics I’m sure you’ve covered this but I’ll put it here anyway just in case you all missed it.

yeah we had a good laugh. Get off the stage Ralphie.

ellipsis

Pulse Tasmania
14h ·
Senator Pauline Hanson’s daughter, Lee Hanson, has been announced as One Nation’s top Senate candidate for Tasmania in the upcoming 2025 Federal election.
The appointment marks the expansion of the Hanson political legacy into Tasmania, where Lee has lived for 13 years after marrying a local.
Lee identified several key issues facing Tasmania, including healthcare accessibility, education reform, housing affordability and cost of living pressures.
She will be competing for one of six seats against Jacqui Lambie, Labor, Liberals and The Greens along with five other minor parties.

sarahs mum said:

Pulse Tasmania
14h ·
Senator Pauline Hanson’s daughter, Lee Hanson, has been announced as One Nation’s top Senate candidate for Tasmania in the upcoming 2025 Federal election.
The appointment marks the expansion of the Hanson political legacy into Tasmania, where Lee has lived for 13 years after marrying a local.
Lee identified several key issues facing Tasmania, including healthcare accessibility, education reform, housing affordability and cost of living pressures.
She will be competing for one of six seats against Jacqui Lambie, Labor, Liberals and The Greens along with five other minor parties.

Oh. Great. Just dandy.

“Education reform” is always a favourite. Let’s start banning library books! Teach the kidlets old fashioned values, none of this woke nonsense!

Divine Angel said:

“Education reform” is always a favourite. Let’s start banning library books! Teach the kidlets old fashioned values, none of this woke nonsense!

I’m surprise that Ms Norder isn’t mentioned.

Laura Norder, that is.

The budget has not moved the dial significantly, with Kev Bonham’s polling average at 51.1 – 48.9 in ALP’s favour.

I am in agreement with Ms Grattan

buffy said:

I am in agreement with Ms Grattan

Should give Trump the Snake Island response.

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

I am in agreement with Ms Grattan

Should give Trump the Snake Island response.

yeah trying to make deals with bullies is stupid shit in our book

buffy said:

I am in agreement with Ms Grattan

i certainly do not want to open our market to US beef. Albo is right on the biosecurity threats but also the USA has shitty slaughter regs.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I am in agreement with Ms Grattan

i certainly do not want to open our market to US beef. Albo is right on the biosecurity threats but also the USA has shitty slaughter regs.

^

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I am in agreement with Ms Grattan

i certainly do not want to open our market to US beef. Albo is right on the biosecurity threats but also the USA has shitty slaughter regs.

Agree.

We just got unsolicited postal vote forms from the LNP.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-31/aec-warns-of-unsolicited-postal-vote-texts/105116220

Divine Angel said:

We just got unsolicited postal vote forms from the LNP.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-31/aec-warns-of-unsolicited-postal-vote-texts/105116220

And according to our independent candidate, that reply paid envelope will not go to the AEC, but to the LNP office first before they send them on. Our independent gives instructions to go directly to the AEC.

Gina Rinehart confirms rift with Peter Dutton over gas policy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/105137108

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

We just got unsolicited postal vote forms from the LNP.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-31/aec-warns-of-unsolicited-postal-vote-texts/105116220

And according to our independent candidate, that reply paid envelope will not go to the AEC, but to the LNP office first before they send them on. Our independent gives instructions to go directly to the AEC.

Correctamundo

Petro Georgiou has died.
Former treasurer Josh Frydenberg, who filled the Kooyong seat in 2010 until he lost it in the 2022 election, said he was saddened to hear of Mr Georgiou’s death.
“Petro served in the Federal Parliament as the Member for Kooyong from 1994 to 2010 where he was widely respected for his integrity, intelligence and commitment to the local community,” Mr Frydenberg said in a statement on Friday afternoon.
He called Mr Georgiou a “small ‘l’ Liberal who had a big impact”.
“He was an effective and passionate advocate for multicultural Australia particularly during Malcolm Fraser’s term where he was an adviser to the Prime Minister and was instrumental in establishing SBS,” Mr Frydenberg said.

Peak Warming Man said:

Petro Georgiou has died.
Former treasurer Josh Frydenberg, who filled the Kooyong seat in 2010 until he lost it in the 2022 election, said he was saddened to hear of Mr Georgiou’s death.
“Petro served in the Federal Parliament as the Member for Kooyong from 1994 to 2010 where he was widely respected for his integrity, intelligence and commitment to the local community,” Mr Frydenberg said in a statement on Friday afternoon.
He called Mr Georgiou a “small ‘l’ Liberal who had a big impact”.
“He was an effective and passionate advocate for multicultural Australia particularly during Malcolm Fraser’s term where he was an adviser to the Prime Minister and was instrumental in establishing SBS,” Mr Frydenberg said.

One of the decent ones. Howard kept him on the backbench.

I’d like to reflect on that whole AUKUS situation.
The Libs consulted with German, Japanese and French companies for designs on diesel electric subs. The French long range subs are nuclear powered but DCNS presented a conventionally powered version of their Barracuda, and that’s what won the bid. They could’ve switched to their nuclear powered version, which is their default version, at any time if asked. The price tag was estimated at 50 billion AUD in 2016 for a set of 12. Most of that money was going to Australian companies. By 2020 this estimate had thwackened to 80 billion.

In 2021 on no notice the Libs cancelled the deal they’d negotiated. This later necessitated Australia compensating the successor to DCNS about 800 million AUD, in addition to the 2 billion already spent. They signed up to an agreement with the UK and US for eight nuclear submarines in deal that will cost 368 billion AUD.

dv said:

I’d like to reflect on that whole AUKUS situation.
The Libs consulted with German, Japanese and French companies for designs on diesel electric subs. The French long range subs are nuclear powered but DCNS presented a conventionally powered version of their Barracuda, and that’s what won the bid. They could’ve switched to their nuclear powered version, which is their default version, at any time if asked. The price tag was estimated at 50 billion AUD in 2016 for a set of 12. Most of that money was going to Australian companies. By 2020 this estimate had thwackened to 80 billion.

In 2021 on no notice the Libs cancelled the deal they’d negotiated. This later necessitated Australia compensating the successor to DCNS about 800 million AUD, in addition to the 2 billion already spent. They signed up to an agreement with the UK and US for eight nuclear submarines in deal that will cost 368 billion AUD.

Sounds like a subterranean sinkhole of a bottom of the harbour scheme.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I’d like to reflect on that whole AUKUS situation.
The Libs consulted with German, Japanese and French companies for designs on diesel electric subs. The French long range subs are nuclear powered but DCNS presented a conventionally powered version of their Barracuda, and that’s what won the bid. They could’ve switched to their nuclear powered version, which is their default version, at any time if asked. The price tag was estimated at 50 billion AUD in 2016 for a set of 12. Most of that money was going to Australian companies. By 2020 this estimate had thwackened to 80 billion.

In 2021 on no notice the Libs cancelled the deal they’d negotiated. This later necessitated Australia compensating the successor to DCNS about 800 million AUD, in addition to the 2 billion already spent. They signed up to an agreement with the UK and US for eight nuclear submarines in deal that will cost 368 billion AUD.

Sounds like a subterranean sinkhole of a bottom of the harbour scheme.

Probably cost less to hire submariner contractors to patrol our waters?

dv said:

I’d like to reflect on that whole AUKUS situation.
The Libs consulted with German, Japanese and French companies for designs on diesel electric subs. The French long range subs are nuclear powered but DCNS presented a conventionally powered version of their Barracuda, and that’s what won the bid. They could’ve switched to their nuclear powered version, which is their default version, at any time if asked. The price tag was estimated at 50 billion AUD in 2016 for a set of 12. Most of that money was going to Australian companies. By 2020 this estimate had thwackened to 80 billion.

In 2021 on no notice the Libs cancelled the deal they’d negotiated. This later necessitated Australia compensating the successor to DCNS about 800 million AUD, in addition to the 2 billion already spent. They signed up to an agreement with the UK and US for eight nuclear submarines in deal that will cost 368 billion AUD.

In 2014 or 2015 the Abbott government announced the purchase of new conventionally powered submarines from Japan. To be built in Japan using an existing off-0the-shelf design. This created such a stink about not investing in Australia shipyards to build them here that the whole project was scrapped and the tender process started with the Japanese, Germans and French putting in bids. The French won because they had the highest local build content, even though they didn’t have an off-the-shelf design.

If we had gone ahead with the Japanese built subs in 2015, a good half the fleet would already be in commission right now.

dv said:

I’d like to reflect on that whole AUKUS situation.
The Libs consulted with German, Japanese and French companies for designs on diesel electric subs. The French long range subs are nuclear powered but DCNS presented a conventionally powered version of their Barracuda, and that’s what won the bid. They could’ve switched to their nuclear powered version, which is their default version, at any time if asked. The price tag was estimated at 50 billion AUD in 2016 for a set of 12. Most of that money was going to Australian companies. By 2020 this estimate had thwackened to 80 billion.

In 2021 on no notice the Libs cancelled the deal they’d negotiated. This later necessitated Australia compensating the successor to DCNS about 800 million AUD, in addition to the 2 billion already spent. They signed up to an agreement with the UK and US for eight nuclear submarines in deal that will cost 368 billion AUD.

L/NP= responsible financial management, right?

dv said:

I’d like to reflect on that whole AUKUS situation.
The Libs consulted with German, Japanese and French companies for designs on diesel electric subs. The French long range subs are nuclear powered but DCNS presented a conventionally powered version of their Barracuda, and that’s what won the bid. They could’ve switched to their nuclear powered version, which is their default version, at any time if asked. The price tag was estimated at 50 billion AUD in 2016 for a set of 12. Most of that money was going to Australian companies. By 2020 this estimate had thwackened to 80 billion.

In 2021 on no notice the Libs cancelled the deal they’d negotiated. This later necessitated Australia compensating the successor to DCNS about 800 million AUD, in addition to the 2 billion already spent. They signed up to an agreement with the UK and US for eight nuclear submarines in deal that will cost 368 billion AUD.

I said the deal stunk at the get go.

Ian said:

dv said:

I’d like to reflect on that whole AUKUS situation.
The Libs consulted with German, Japanese and French companies for designs on diesel electric subs. The French long range subs are nuclear powered but DCNS presented a conventionally powered version of their Barracuda, and that’s what won the bid. They could’ve switched to their nuclear powered version, which is their default version, at any time if asked. The price tag was estimated at 50 billion AUD in 2016 for a set of 12. Most of that money was going to Australian companies. By 2020 this estimate had thwackened to 80 billion.

In 2021 on no notice the Libs cancelled the deal they’d negotiated. This later necessitated Australia compensating the successor to DCNS about 800 million AUD, in addition to the 2 billion already spent. They signed up to an agreement with the UK and US for eight nuclear submarines in deal that will cost 368 billion AUD.

I said the deal stunk at the get go.

The L/NP govt should have just bit the bullet, and signed up for nuclear-powered DCNS boats right from the start.

Shit, whatever government should have bit that bullet at least 30 years ago, and set in motion the acquisition of nuclear subs.

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

dv said:

I’d like to reflect on that whole AUKUS situation.
The Libs consulted with German, Japanese and French companies for designs on diesel electric subs. The French long range subs are nuclear powered but DCNS presented a conventionally powered version of their Barracuda, and that’s what won the bid. They could’ve switched to their nuclear powered version, which is their default version, at any time if asked. The price tag was estimated at 50 billion AUD in 2016 for a set of 12. Most of that money was going to Australian companies. By 2020 this estimate had thwackened to 80 billion.

In 2021 on no notice the Libs cancelled the deal they’d negotiated. This later necessitated Australia compensating the successor to DCNS about 800 million AUD, in addition to the 2 billion already spent. They signed up to an agreement with the UK and US for eight nuclear submarines in deal that will cost 368 billion AUD.

I said the deal stunk at the get go.

The L/NP govt should have just bit the bullet, and signed up for nuclear-powered DCNS boats right from the start.

Shit, whatever government should have bit that bullet at least 30 years ago, and set in motion the acquisition of nuclear subs.

LOL as if their purpose was ever to get a functioning product at the end, how’s that copper NBN going

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

dv said:

I’d like to reflect on that whole AUKUS situation.
The Libs consulted with German, Japanese and French companies for designs on diesel electric subs. The French long range subs are nuclear powered but DCNS presented a conventionally powered version of their Barracuda, and that’s what won the bid. They could’ve switched to their nuclear powered version, which is their default version, at any time if asked. The price tag was estimated at 50 billion AUD in 2016 for a set of 12. Most of that money was going to Australian companies. By 2020 this estimate had thwackened to 80 billion.

In 2021 on no notice the Libs cancelled the deal they’d negotiated. This later necessitated Australia compensating the successor to DCNS about 800 million AUD, in addition to the 2 billion already spent. They signed up to an agreement with the UK and US for eight nuclear submarines in deal that will cost 368 billion AUD.

I said the deal stunk at the get go.

The L/NP govt should have just bit the bullet, and signed up for nuclear-powered DCNS boats right from the start.

Shit, whatever government should have bit that bullet at least 30 years ago, and set in motion the acquisition of nuclear subs.

Yeah maybe, but my objection was mainly to the ongoing grovelling servitude to the fucking yanks.

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

I said the deal stunk at the get go.

The L/NP govt should have just bit the bullet, and signed up for nuclear-powered DCNS boats right from the start.

Shit, whatever government should have bit that bullet at least 30 years ago, and set in motion the acquisition of nuclear subs.

Yeah maybe, but my objection was mainly to the ongoing grovelling servitude to the fucking yanks.

well they’re the bullies heroes and saved the world so why not

‘There’s an us v them mentality’: are young Australian men and women drifting apart politically?
In recent elections overseas more young men than women have shifted to the right, even the far right. But in Australia the gap between generations rather than genders seems much wider

more….

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/04/theres-an-us-v-them-mentality-are-young-australian-men-and-women-drifting-apart-politically

sarahs mum said:

‘There’s an us v them mentality’: are young Australian men and women drifting apart politically?
In recent elections overseas more young men than women have shifted to the right, even the far right. But in Australia the gap between generations rather than genders seems much wider

more….

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/04/theres-an-us-v-them-mentality-are-young-australian-men-and-women-drifting-apart-politically

There’s an us v mentality in the headline.

Potentially deadly synthetic opioids have been found in vape liquid, as criminals make new varieties to evade detection.

Nitazenes are made in a laboratory and are considered up to 10 times stronger than fentanyl, which has caused an unprecedented number of deaths in North America.

Pill testing services in Brisbane and on the Gold Coast have detected nitazenes in counterfeit pharmaceuticals three times in the past five months.

“Last Friday we had a client present with a counterfeit oxycodone tablet which they purchased online,” The Loop Australia chief executive Cameron Francis said.

“We tested it and it came back positive for one of the nitazene family.”

Queensland pill testing service CheQpoint has also detected multiple samples of novel benzodiazepines like bromazolam, another drug linked to a wave of overdoses in Australia and around the world.

But the service will close on Friday, after the state government refused to budge on a pre-election pledge to scrap pill testing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-04/new-nitazene-detected-in-australia-for-first-time/105130890

***

Almost sounds like the LNP want people to die. People will take drugs, and fake prescription medication, regardless of legality. Telling people to “just carry naxolone” isn’t gonna absolve the govt of responsibility.

Divine Angel said:

Potentially deadly synthetic opioids have been found in vape liquid, as criminals make new varieties to evade detection.

Nitazenes are made in a laboratory and are considered up to 10 times stronger than fentanyl, which has caused an unprecedented number of deaths in North America.

Pill testing services in Brisbane and on the Gold Coast have detected nitazenes in counterfeit pharmaceuticals three times in the past five months.

“Last Friday we had a client present with a counterfeit oxycodone tablet which they purchased online,” The Loop Australia chief executive Cameron Francis said.

“We tested it and it came back positive for one of the nitazene family.”

Queensland pill testing service CheQpoint has also detected multiple samples of novel benzodiazepines like bromazolam, another drug linked to a wave of overdoses in Australia and around the world.

But the service will close on Friday, after the state government refused to budge on a pre-election pledge to scrap pill testing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-04/new-nitazene-detected-in-australia-for-first-time/105130890

***

Almost sounds like the LNP want people to die. People will take drugs, and fake prescription medication, regardless of legality. Telling people to “just carry naxolone” isn’t gonna absolve the govt of responsibility.

It sure does sound that way.

Dutton: Truth Bender.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Almost sounds like the LNP want people to die. People will take drugs, and fake prescription medication, regardless of legality. Telling people to “just carry naxolone” isn’t gonna absolve the govt of responsibility.

It sure does sound that way.

L/NP voters don’t indulge in drugs, y’know.

It’s those commoners who vote for the beastly Labor party who do such things.

If they want to exterminate themselves with lethal drugs, so much the better at the next election.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Almost sounds like the LNP want people to die. People will take drugs, and fake prescription medication, regardless of legality. Telling people to “just carry naxolone” isn’t gonna absolve the govt of responsibility.

It sure does sound that way.

L/NP voters don’t indulge in drugs, y’know.

It’s those commoners who vote for the beastly Labor party who do such things.

If they want to exterminate themselves with lethal drugs, so much the better at the next election.

Ah.

Luke Martin to take on new job in Labor leader Dean Winter’s office
After the surprise announcement Luke Martin was leaving Salmon Tasmania the big question was where is he going.
Sue Bailey – The Mercury
April 5, 2025 – 11:30AM

The outgoing head of Salmon Tasmania, Luke Martin, is returning to his old stomping ground of politics.
Labor leader Dean Winter has confirmed that Mr Martin will take on a position in his office.

“With over 20 years of experience across Tasmanian business and industry, Luke has proven to be a powerful advocate for workers across the state,” he said.

“I’m excited to welcome him to my team as Labor builds momentum and backs in jobs and the regional industries which support them.”

It is believed Mr Martin will replace economist Richard Dowling who is set to become a senator after securing second spot on Labor’s Senate ticket for the May 3 election.

Mr Winter and Mr Martin met when both were heading peak industry bodies and are good friends.

Salmon Tasmania announced on Friday that Mr Martin was stepping down as CEO and would be replaced by Dr John Whittington, the former Secretary of the Department of Primary Industries, Water and Environment, and current CEO of the Blue Economy Cooperative Research Centre.

Mr Martin declined to comment on his appointment.

He had his first political appointment as a 19-year-old in the office of the late Labor Premier Jim Bacon and also worked as an adviser to former Premier Paul Lennon and former Treasurer Michael Aird.

In a post on social media he said he had left the Tourism Industry Council Tasmania after more than 12 years in an “industry I had grown up in, to join an industry I knew very little about, had zero experience in, but valued greatly for what I could see it meant to Tasmanian communities I cared deeply about”.

“I wanted the challenge of seeing if i could be successful and effective in a totally different space,” Mr Martin wrote.

“I’ll leave it to others to judge how successful I have been in this role, but from my perspective the Macquarie Harbour situation has been the most challenging process I have ever been a part of, and having now secured a resolution for the industry and the workers, it is an opportunity to go out on a high.

“Between tourism and salmon, I have been in very high profile public roles for close to 15 years, and it’s now time to try something new.

“I’m also thrilled the industry has been able to secure someone of John Whittington’s calibre to step in and take the industry forward.

“I couldn’t imagine a better person to take on the role.”

wait is this the

Coalition leader Peter Dutton has moved to counter criticism of the Coalition’s work-from-home policy for public servants, insisting it will only apply to Canberra-based staff. In March, the Coalition flagged it planned to bring all public service workers back into the office full time if it won the election.

guy who is planning to not move to Canberra if elected to prime minister

SCIENCE said:

wait is this the

Coalition leader Peter Dutton has moved to counter criticism of the Coalition’s work-from-home policy for public servants, insisting it will only apply to Canberra-based staff. In March, the Coalition flagged it planned to bring all public service workers back into the office full time if it won the election.

guy who is planning to not move to Canberra if elected to prime minister

Yes.

oooh oooooooh

Household batteries will be discounted under a federal Labor pledge aimed at increasing uptake of the technology. The scheme would provide a 30 per cent discount on the cost of a new household battery. The $2.3 billion pledge is one of the largest commitments of Labor’s campaign. The Coalition has previously expressed interest in supporting the take-up of batteries.

trust Communist Labor to throw endless money at so-called energy-saving measures that are just going to go up in flames and electrocute people, they did it in 2009, they do it now

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-05/labor-pledges-2-3-billion-to-subsidise-home-batteries/105142194

it’s always the bat’s, always bat’s

tricks

⚠ yes tricks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-06/interview-with-penny-wong/105143314

Wong criticises Dutton for talking about how important it is to buy back the port he sold, and also the need to bring in the foreign student cap he voted against.

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-06/interview-with-penny-wong/105143314

Wong criticises Dutton for talking about how important it is to buy back the port he sold, and also the need to bring in the foreign student cap he voted against.

an international student cap is the most insane idea – tertiary education is Australia’s largest service export industry

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-06/interview-with-penny-wong/105143314

Wong criticises Dutton for talking about how important it is to buy back the port he sold, and also the need to bring in the foreign student cap he voted against.

tertiary education is Australia’s largest service export industry

Largest lie more like, the ABS counts all international student spending as export, even if their expenses are paid for via income obtained in Aus.

Also, if education was as big as made out, we should have large or similar inflows of money from overseas, but we only seem to have around $1.3 billion(ish) per year, quite a lot less than the supposed $30-40 billion per year it’s meant to ‘earn’.

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-06/interview-with-penny-wong/105143314

Wong criticises Dutton for talking about how important it is to buy back the port he sold, and also the need to bring in the foreign student cap he voted against.

tertiary education is Australia’s largest service export industry

Largest lie more like, the ABS counts all international student spending as export, even if their expenses are paid for via income obtained in Aus.

Also, if education was as big as made out, we should have large or similar inflows of money from overseas, but we only seem to have around $1.3 billion(ish) per year, quite a lot less than the supposed $30-40 billion per year it’s meant to ‘earn’.

So, why does the ABS get it so wrong, and what other stuff is badly messed up?

Michael V said:

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

tertiary education is Australia’s largest service export industry

Largest lie more like, the ABS counts all international student spending as export, even if their expenses are paid for via income obtained in Aus.

Also, if education was as big as made out, we should have large or similar inflows of money from overseas, but we only seem to have around $1.3 billion(ish) per year, quite a lot less than the supposed $30-40 billion per year it’s meant to ‘earn’.

So, why does the ABS get it so wrong, and what other stuff is badly messed up?

what evidence is there that they have got it wrong?

Michael V said:

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

tertiary education is Australia’s largest service export industry

Largest lie more like, the ABS counts all international student spending as export, even if their expenses are paid for via income obtained in Aus.

Also, if education was as big as made out, we should have large or similar inflows of money from overseas, but we only seem to have around $1.3 billion(ish) per year, quite a lot less than the supposed $30-40 billion per year it’s meant to ‘earn’.

So, why does the ABS get it so wrong, and what other stuff is badly messed up?

If you define that you’re counting it that way it’s not really wrong, as it serves a purpose for those that need it to, it’s just a wee bit disingenuous.

ABS has had staff and funding cuts for the past 15 years I think, maybe Abbott started it? or a similar jerk, I can’t remember.

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

poikilotherm said:

Largest lie more like, the ABS counts all international student spending as export, even if their expenses are paid for via income obtained in Aus.

Also, if education was as big as made out, we should have large or similar inflows of money from overseas, but we only seem to have around $1.3 billion(ish) per year, quite a lot less than the supposed $30-40 billion per year it’s meant to ‘earn’.

So, why does the ABS get it so wrong, and what other stuff is badly messed up?

If you define that you’re counting it that way it’s not really wrong, as it serves a purpose for those that need it to, it’s just a wee bit disingenuous.

ABS has had staff and funding cuts for the past 15 years I think, maybe Abbott started it? or a similar jerk, I can’t remember.

I think the definition is fine… if those individuals weren’t here actual zero of that income would be realised.

can’t they all just remote learn

diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

So, why does the ABS get it so wrong, and what other stuff is badly messed up?

If you define that you’re counting it that way it’s not really wrong, as it serves a purpose for those that need it to, it’s just a wee bit disingenuous.

ABS has had staff and funding cuts for the past 15 years I think, maybe Abbott started it? or a similar jerk, I can’t remember.

I think the definition is fine… if those individuals weren’t here actual zero of that income would be realised.

I mentioned nothing regarding zero or saying we should have zero, just the statement it’s our biggest export is a bit of bullshit based on the way it’s measured, spend on courses, their income earnt here and then their spending here from the income earnt inflates the export value figure.

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

If you define that you’re counting it that way it’s not really wrong, as it serves a purpose for those that need it to, it’s just a wee bit disingenuous.

ABS has had staff and funding cuts for the past 15 years I think, maybe Abbott started it? or a similar jerk, I can’t remember.

I think the definition is fine… if those individuals weren’t here actual zero of that income would be realised.

I mentioned nothing regarding zero or saying we should have zero, just the statement it’s our biggest export is a bit of bullshit based on the way it’s measured, spend on courses, their income earnt here and then their spending here from the income earnt inflates the export value figure.

But that is my point, it’s not actually bullshit. if there were no students the export income would be zero.

Foreign students fund Australian students

I’m not sure why these goombas imagine Australian voters are impressed with DJT. He’s not a popular figure in this country.

Also saw a massive billboard for Crumpet of Champions with Clive Palmer’s face next to that of Tucker Carlson. I mean I’m sure there are thousands of Russophilic oxygen-thieves that this will appeal to but there will also be people turned off.

dv said:

Foreign students fund Australian students

To some extent, but the Australian govt (mostly) funds Australian students… Foreign students (mostly) fund research activities and infrastructure

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

Foreign students fund Australian students

To some extent, but the Australian govt (mostly) funds Australian students… Foreign students (mostly) fund research activities and infrastructure

Nonetheless, i think it would be incredibly bad policy to cut foreign student numbers.

They are not responsible for the cost of living crisis. It is time we stopped blaming foreigners for our own problems of our own making through bad policy decisions over decades.

In a major campaign reversal, the LibNats have ditched their plans to force government employees to return to their offices and have also shelved their plans for forced redundancies of upto 41,000 public service workers.

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

Foreign students fund Australian students

To some extent, but the Australian govt (mostly) funds Australian students… Foreign students (mostly) fund research activities and infrastructure

Nonetheless, i think it would be incredibly bad policy to cut foreign student numbers.

They are not responsible for the cost of living crisis. It is time we stopped blaming foreigners for our own problems of our own making through bad policy decisions over decades.

it’s just dog whistling; foreign students (mostly of either Asian or South Asian ethnicity) are easy targets…

diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

To some extent, but the Australian govt (mostly) funds Australian students… Foreign students (mostly) fund research activities and infrastructure

Nonetheless, i think it would be incredibly bad policy to cut foreign student numbers.

They are not responsible for the cost of living crisis. It is time we stopped blaming foreigners for our own problems of our own making through bad policy decisions over decades.

it’s just dog whistling; foreign students (mostly of either Asian or South Asian ethnicity) are easy targets…

Yeah.

When I was at uni in the mid 90s, a good half the students were foreigners from SE Asia or the middle east. They’ve been coming here for decades, and the local area around the campus was geared towards student accommodation. They were not displacing Aussie families from affordable housing. The student housing was of a different type and style.

diddly-squat said:

In a major campaign reversal, the LibNats have ditched their plans to force government employees to return to their offices and have also shelved their plans for forced redundancies of upto 41,000 public service workers.

I haven’t observed a fed election campaign so shambolic since Latham 2004.

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

In a major campaign reversal, the LibNats have ditched their plans to force government employees to return to their offices and have also shelved their plans for forced redundancies of upto 41,000 public service workers.

I haven’t observed a fed election campaign so shambolic since Latham 2004.

Yeah, the Coalition look rudderless at the moment.

dv said:

I’m not sure why these goombas imagine Australian voters are impressed with DJT. He’s not a popular figure in this country.

Also saw a massive billboard for Crumpet of Champions with Clive Palmer’s face next to that of Tucker Carlson. I mean I’m sure there are thousands of Russophilic oxygen-thieves that this will appeal to but there will also be people turned off.

Just as online answering 爱 totally can’t be gamed to give completely absurd answers online, politically manipulative data analytics totally can’t be

wait

uh…

party_pants said:

When I was at uni in the mid 90s, a good half the students were (*) from SE Asia or the middle east.

*fixed

If the students are from another country then we know that they are foreigners, no need to label them as foreigners.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I’m not sure why these goombas imagine Australian voters are impressed with DJT. He’s not a popular figure in this country.

Also saw a massive billboard for Crumpet of Champions with Clive Palmer’s face next to that of Tucker Carlson. I mean I’m sure there are thousands of Russophilic oxygen-thieves that this will appeal to but there will also be people turned off.

Just as online answering 爱 totally can’t be gamed to give completely absurd answers online, politically manipulative data analytics totally can’t be

wait

uh…

it’s a demographic thing. I posted a link the tother day about how young males are trump followers and young females are more likely to vote green. So much for flowers and fine food and telling her how nice she looks…instead tell her she is shit and try to choke her during sex and complain that she is stuck up and nasty.

proof that public schooling is dirty communism

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-07/murat-dizdar-australian-story-public-schools/105024016

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

Foreign students fund Australian students

To some extent, but the Australian govt (mostly) funds Australian students… Foreign students (mostly) fund research activities and infrastructure

Nonetheless, i think it would be incredibly bad policy to cut foreign student numbers.

They are not responsible for the cost of living crisis. It is time we stopped blaming foreigners for our own problems of our own making through bad policy decisions over decades.

Either/orism strikes again.

No they are not “responsible” for the cost of living crisis, but they are a significant part of the causes of high rents and house prices, which is by far the largest part of the cost of living crisis.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it is a good idea to cut numbers, but that shouldn’t just be dismissed either.

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

To some extent, but the Australian govt (mostly) funds Australian students… Foreign students (mostly) fund research activities and infrastructure

Nonetheless, i think it would be incredibly bad policy to cut foreign student numbers.

They are not responsible for the cost of living crisis. It is time we stopped blaming foreigners for our own problems of our own making through bad policy decisions over decades.

Either/orism strikes again.

No they are not “responsible” for the cost of living crisis, but they are a significant part of the causes of high rents and house prices, which is by far the largest part of the cost of living crisis.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it is a good idea to cut numbers, but that shouldn’t just be dismissed either.

Get em to bring their own tents.

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

To some extent, but the Australian govt (mostly) funds Australian students… Foreign students (mostly) fund research activities and infrastructure

Nonetheless, i think it would be incredibly bad policy to cut foreign student numbers.

They are not responsible for the cost of living crisis. It is time we stopped blaming foreigners for our own problems of our own making through bad policy decisions over decades.

Either/orism strikes again.

No they are not “responsible” for the cost of living crisis, but they are a significant part of the causes of high rents and house prices, which is by far the largest part of the cost of living crisis.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it is a good idea to cut numbers, but that shouldn’t just be dismissed either.

IIRC high immigration in total has adversely affected rents because they compete for accomodation with those already here. OTOH there is not as much overlap with foreign students whose housing choices are more likely to be specialised student accomodations in most parts.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Nonetheless, i think it would be incredibly bad policy to cut foreign student numbers.

They are not responsible for the cost of living crisis. It is time we stopped blaming foreigners for our own problems of our own making through bad policy decisions over decades.

Either/orism strikes again.

No they are not “responsible” for the cost of living crisis, but they are a significant part of the causes of high rents and house prices, which is by far the largest part of the cost of living crisis.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it is a good idea to cut numbers, but that shouldn’t just be dismissed either.

IIRC high immigration in total has adversely affected rents because they compete for accomodation with those already here. OTOH there is not as much overlap with foreign students whose housing choices are more likely to be specialised student accomodations in most parts.

I can’t speak for “most parts”, but here in Sydney there are many students living in shared rented houses close to the city centre, and many young people (and also not so young) living in shared rented houses close to the city centre. It is not clear to me why the student demand for these houses does not affect the rental price.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Nonetheless, i think it would be incredibly bad policy to cut foreign student numbers.

They are not responsible for the cost of living crisis. It is time we stopped blaming foreigners for our own problems of our own making through bad policy decisions over decades.

Either/orism strikes again.

No they are not “responsible” for the cost of living crisis, but they are a significant part of the causes of high rents and house prices, which is by far the largest part of the cost of living crisis.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it is a good idea to cut numbers, but that shouldn’t just be dismissed either.

IIRC high immigration in total has adversely affected rents because they compete for accomodation with those already here. OTOH there is not as much overlap with foreign students whose housing choices are more likely to be specialised student accomodations in most parts.

^this

For the most part international students are not competing for houses with anyone really.. not even domestic students.

dv said:

I’m not sure why these goombas imagine Australian voters are impressed with DJT. He’s not a popular figure in this country.

Also saw a massive billboard for Crumpet of Champions with Clive Palmer’s face next to that of Tucker Carlson. I mean I’m sure there are thousands of Russophilic oxygen-thieves that this will appeal to but there will also be people turned off.

Never liked Ms Cash anyway.

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Either/orism strikes again.

No they are not “responsible” for the cost of living crisis, but they are a significant part of the causes of high rents and house prices, which is by far the largest part of the cost of living crisis.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it is a good idea to cut numbers, but that shouldn’t just be dismissed either.

IIRC high immigration in total has adversely affected rents because they compete for accomodation with those already here. OTOH there is not as much overlap with foreign students whose housing choices are more likely to be specialised student accomodations in most parts.

^this

For the most part international students are not competing for houses with anyone really.. not even domestic students.

Even if it’s true that almost all international students live in their own segregated little enclaves, they are still occupying buildings that could be occupied by other people if they weren’t there.

The high cost of low cost housing is caused by too many people and too few buildings. Where the people come from is irrelevant.

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

IIRC high immigration in total has adversely affected rents because they compete for accomodation with those already here. OTOH there is not as much overlap with foreign students whose housing choices are more likely to be specialised student accomodations in most parts.

^this

For the most part international students are not competing for houses with anyone really.. not even domestic students.

Even if it’s true that almost all international students live in their own segregated little enclaves, they are still occupying buildings that could be occupied by other people if they weren’t there.

The high cost of low cost housing is caused by too many people and too few buildings. Where the people come from is irrelevant.

I blame civil engineers.

runs away

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

IIRC high immigration in total has adversely affected rents because they compete for accomodation with those already here. OTOH there is not as much overlap with foreign students whose housing choices are more likely to be specialised student accomodations in most parts.

^this

For the most part international students are not competing for houses with anyone really.. not even domestic students.

Even if it’s true that almost all international students live in their own segregated little enclaves, they are still occupying buildings that could be occupied by other people if they weren’t there.

The high cost of low cost housing is caused by too many people and too few buildings. Where the people come from is irrelevant.

kinda, but not really; purpose build dormitory-style student accommodation is often not suitable for anyone except single individuals.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

^this

For the most part international students are not competing for houses with anyone really.. not even domestic students.

Even if it’s true that almost all international students live in their own segregated little enclaves, they are still occupying buildings that could be occupied by other people if they weren’t there.

The high cost of low cost housing is caused by too many people and too few buildings. Where the people come from is irrelevant.

I blame civil engineers.

runs away

I’m sure you meant architects.

Bloody auto-correct getting it wrong again.

diddly-squat said:

kinda, but not really; purpose build dormitory-style student accommodation is often not suitable for anyone except single individuals.

Tha’s true.

But, if the demand for purpose build dormitory-style student accommodation should stabilise, or even decrease, then the people who build it might consider building something else.

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

^this

For the most part international students are not competing for houses with anyone really.. not even domestic students.

Even if it’s true that almost all international students live in their own segregated little enclaves, they are still occupying buildings that could be occupied by other people if they weren’t there.

The high cost of low cost housing is caused by too many people and too few buildings. Where the people come from is irrelevant.

kinda, but not really; purpose build dormitory-style student accommodation is often not suitable for anyone except single individuals.

You know there are a whole load of single individuals looking for affordable accommodation, right?

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Even if it’s true that almost all international students live in their own segregated little enclaves, they are still occupying buildings that could be occupied by other people if they weren’t there.

The high cost of low cost housing is caused by too many people and too few buildings. Where the people come from is irrelevant.

kinda, but not really; purpose build dormitory-style student accommodation is often not suitable for anyone except single individuals.

You know there are a whole load of single individuals looking for affordable accommodation, right?

what makes you think student accommodation is “affordable”?

it’s a often a one stop shop.. accommodation, meals, cleaning services, sporting facilities.. they probably more comparable to hotels

My own view is that there is a perfectly adequate number of homes, even a slight surplus represented by dwellings left vacant in the medium to long term, and the sharp price increase is mainly due to those homes being primarily held by a small number of institutions and individuals. OTOH there’s a long of benefit in other ways of building more of those homes closer to centres of employment, enjoyment and transportation hubs to ease transportation issues and improve q.o.l, and also better matching the set of homes to meet the lifestyles of younger people who aren’t going to have children until their late 30s or never. I suppose you could argue that the fact that a % of builders are working on student accommodation means they aren’t building non-student accom but a) be real, it’s not as though the number of international students is blowing up to the extent that the new student accommodation buildings dominate the building industry and b) the costs of home building have not blown up relative to inflation: it’s gone up about 20% (over inflation) since 2005 in Sydney ::* the home price explosion is due to other factors than the cost of actually buliding a home.

• rare double colon, feel blessed

dv said:

• rare double colon, feel blessed
  

you might make it into the book of medical oddities.

dv said:

My own view is that there is a perfectly adequate number of homes, even a slight surplus represented by dwellings left vacant in the medium to long term, and the sharp price increase is mainly due to those homes being primarily held by a small number of institutions and individuals. OTOH there’s a long of benefit in other ways of building more of those homes closer to centres of employment, enjoyment and transportation hubs to ease transportation issues and improve q.o.l, and also better matching the set of homes to meet the lifestyles of younger people who aren’t going to have children until their late 30s or never. I suppose you could argue that the fact that a % of builders are working on student accommodation means they aren’t building non-student accom but a) be real, it’s not as though the number of international students is blowing up to the extent that the new student accommodation buildings dominate the building industry and b) the costs of home building have not blown up relative to inflation: it’s gone up about 20% (over inflation) since 2005 in Sydney ::* the home price explosion is due to other factors than the cost of actually buliding a home.

• rare double colon, feel blessed
  

I think zoning regulations also need to be drastically reviewed. There really is no reason for free standing single family dwellings within a 5km to 10km radius of major cities like Sydney and Melbourne.

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

kinda, but not really; purpose build dormitory-style student accommodation is often not suitable for anyone except single individuals.

You know there are a whole load of single individuals looking for affordable accommodation, right?

what makes you think student accommodation is “affordable”?

it’s a often a one stop shop.. accommodation, meals, cleaning services, sporting facilities.. they probably more comparable to hotels

Umm… that’s a resort. Doesn’t resemble any student accommodation i’ve ever seen.

Ok, such places might exist, but there’d be very few of them, and few could afford them.

For a while, Spalding Jr was in a purpose-built student accomm. place in Kelvin Grove.

He shared an ‘apartment’ with a Saudi chap, Naif, whose dad has more money than you and i could ever dream of. Do your own cleaing, do your own cooking.

Do you think that if a ‘student resort’ was available, Naif would have been living in a shared flat in Kelvin Grove, doing his own laundry?

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

kinda, but not really; purpose build dormitory-style student accommodation is often not suitable for anyone except single individuals.

You know there are a whole load of single individuals looking for affordable accommodation, right?

what makes you think student accommodation is “affordable”?

it’s a often a one stop shop.. accommodation, meals, cleaning services, sporting facilities.. they probably more comparable to hotels

Oh, sorry, I didn’t realise it was impossible to change the way in which a building is used.

dv said:

My own view is that there is a perfectly adequate number of homes, even a slight surplus represented by dwellings left vacant in the medium to long term, and the sharp price increase is mainly due to those homes being primarily held by a small number of institutions and individuals. OTOH there’s a long of benefit in other ways of building more of those homes closer to centres of employment, enjoyment and transportation hubs to ease transportation issues and improve q.o.l, and also better matching the set of homes to meet the lifestyles of younger people who aren’t going to have children until their late 30s or never. I suppose you could argue that the fact that a % of builders are working on student accommodation means they aren’t building non-student accom but a) be real, it’s not as though the number of international students is blowing up to the extent that the new student accommodation buildings dominate the building industry and b) the costs of home building have not blown up relative to inflation: it’s gone up about 20% (over inflation) since 2005 in Sydney ::* the home price explosion is due to other factors than the cost of actually buliding a home.

• rare double colon, feel blessed
  

Yes, the price explosion was due to demand exceeding supply, so all possible ways of increasing supply and reducing demand are worthy of debate.

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

kinda, but not really; purpose build dormitory-style student accommodation is often not suitable for anyone except single individuals.

You know there are a whole load of single individuals looking for affordable accommodation, right?

what makes you think student accommodation is “affordable”?

it’s a often a one stop shop.. accommodation, meals, cleaning services, sporting facilities.. they probably more comparable to hotels

Quite.

Lowest tier at St Cath’s College Curtin is the standard studio apartment with no balcony, which is $535 per week after an initial fee of $1830. This does include one meal per day.

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

My own view is that there is a perfectly adequate number of homes, even a slight surplus represented by dwellings left vacant in the medium to long term, and the sharp price increase is mainly due to those homes being primarily held by a small number of institutions and individuals. OTOH there’s a long of benefit in other ways of building more of those homes closer to centres of employment, enjoyment and transportation hubs to ease transportation issues and improve q.o.l, and also better matching the set of homes to meet the lifestyles of younger people who aren’t going to have children until their late 30s or never. I suppose you could argue that the fact that a % of builders are working on student accommodation means they aren’t building non-student accom but a) be real, it’s not as though the number of international students is blowing up to the extent that the new student accommodation buildings dominate the building industry and b) the costs of home building have not blown up relative to inflation: it’s gone up about 20% (over inflation) since 2005 in Sydney ::* the home price explosion is due to other factors than the cost of actually buliding a home.

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I think zoning regulations also need to be drastically reviewed. There really is no reason for free standing single family dwellings within a 5km to 10km radius of major cities like Sydney and Melbourne.

Concur. We don’t need Heritage Preservation for anything built since the 19th century. It’s not fkn Stonehenge.

For Buffy:

Independent challenges Tehan in once-safe Wannon
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Sitting Liberal MP Dan Tehan is fending off a spirited challenge from independent former radio host Alex Dyson. The challenger’s distinctive orange posters and kelpie signs are dotted extensively throughout the vast and traditionally conservative electorate, which stretches from Anglesea on the Surf Coast to the South Australian border and as far inland as Ararat.

The state of roads is a persistent bugbear for Wannon voters, but the prospect of offshore wind farms on the south-west coast might also figure in this campaign.

Dyson has some hefty financial backing from campaign group Climate 200, which seeks to pressure governments into stronger action on climate change.

Tehan has held the previously safe seat since 2010. But Dyson eroded his margin at the previous two elections enough to render the seat marginal – Tehan holds it with a margin of 3.8 per cent* – and set up a compelling contest.

Boundary changes since the last election may also play to Dyson’s advantage.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/battleground-victoria-why-these-candidates-may-hold-the-key-to-the-federal-election-result-20250325-p5lmdi.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

For Buffy:

Independent challenges Tehan in once-safe Wannon
Advertisement

Sitting Liberal MP Dan Tehan is fending off a spirited challenge from independent former radio host Alex Dyson. The challenger’s distinctive orange posters and kelpie signs are dotted extensively throughout the vast and traditionally conservative electorate, which stretches from Anglesea on the Surf Coast to the South Australian border and as far inland as Ararat.

The state of roads is a persistent bugbear for Wannon voters, but the prospect of offshore wind farms on the south-west coast might also figure in this campaign.

Dyson has some hefty financial backing from campaign group Climate 200, which seeks to pressure governments into stronger action on climate change.

Tehan has held the previously safe seat since 2010. But Dyson eroded his margin at the previous two elections enough to render the seat marginal – Tehan holds it with a margin of 3.8 per cent* – and set up a compelling contest.

Boundary changes since the last election may also play to Dyson’s advantage.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/battleground-victoria-why-these-candidates-may-hold-the-key-to-the-federal-election-result-20250325-p5lmdi.html

The Orange and the Teal

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

You know there are a whole load of single individuals looking for affordable accommodation, right?

what makes you think student accommodation is “affordable”?

it’s a often a one stop shop.. accommodation, meals, cleaning services, sporting facilities.. they probably more comparable to hotels

Oh, sorry, I didn’t realise it was impossible to change the way in which a building is used.

shrug

Just saying that pointing at international students and saying they are “part of the problem” is a bit of a simplified point of view. Yes there is a large spectrum of accommodation styles and there is clearly crossover with domestic students, but in general, many international students are people of means. They are paying large sums of money (literally hundred’s of thousands of dollars) to attend universities here in Aust and with means often comes the ability to pay for more premium style accommodation.

That said, I’m not sure that re-purposing multi-story buildings to more aptly suit couples or families would make the accommodation any less expensive.

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

My own view is that there is a perfectly adequate number of homes, even a slight surplus represented by dwellings left vacant in the medium to long term, and the sharp price increase is mainly due to those homes being primarily held by a small number of institutions and individuals. OTOH there’s a long of benefit in other ways of building more of those homes closer to centres of employment, enjoyment and transportation hubs to ease transportation issues and improve q.o.l, and also better matching the set of homes to meet the lifestyles of younger people who aren’t going to have children until their late 30s or never. I suppose you could argue that the fact that a % of builders are working on student accommodation means they aren’t building non-student accom but a) be real, it’s not as though the number of international students is blowing up to the extent that the new student accommodation buildings dominate the building industry and b) the costs of home building have not blown up relative to inflation: it’s gone up about 20% (over inflation) since 2005 in Sydney ::* the home price explosion is due to other factors than the cost of actually buliding a home.

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I think zoning regulations also need to be drastically reviewed. There really is no reason for free standing single family dwellings within a 5km to 10km radius of major cities like Sydney and Melbourne.

I prefer greater density around PT hubs both in the inner city and outer suburbs to overdevelopment in the inner city. Demographic changes where all of the inner city residents are in apartments would probably hollow out families and kids living there with repercussions for the provision of health and education.

If someone can afford it I see nothing wrong with young families living near the CBD as long as they know whether their house is zoned as either high or low density and the development potential off the property.

I think there should be a much more comprehensive register off properties so that new residents can have some certainty about what their suburb will look like 20-30 years down the track.

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

what makes you think student accommodation is “affordable”?

it’s a often a one stop shop.. accommodation, meals, cleaning services, sporting facilities.. they probably more comparable to hotels

Oh, sorry, I didn’t realise it was impossible to change the way in which a building is used.

shrug

Just saying that pointing at international students and saying they are “part of the problem” is a bit of a simplified point of view. Yes there is a large spectrum of accommodation styles and there is clearly crossover with domestic students, but in general, many international students are people of means. They are paying large sums of money (literally hundred’s of thousands of dollars) to attend universities here in Aust and with means often comes the ability to pay for more premium style accommodation.

That said, I’m not sure that re-purposing multi-story buildings to more aptly suit couples or families would make the accommodation any less expensive.

So you are saying that saying they are “part of the problem” is a bit of a simplified point of view, but saying they are not “part of the problem” is not a simplified point of view.

Interesting.

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

My own view is that there is a perfectly adequate number of homes, even a slight surplus represented by dwellings left vacant in the medium to long term, and the sharp price increase is mainly due to those homes being primarily held by a small number of institutions and individuals. OTOH there’s a long of benefit in other ways of building more of those homes closer to centres of employment, enjoyment and transportation hubs to ease transportation issues and improve q.o.l, and also better matching the set of homes to meet the lifestyles of younger people who aren’t going to have children until their late 30s or never. I suppose you could argue that the fact that a % of builders are working on student accommodation means they aren’t building non-student accom but a) be real, it’s not as though the number of international students is blowing up to the extent that the new student accommodation buildings dominate the building industry and b) the costs of home building have not blown up relative to inflation: it’s gone up about 20% (over inflation) since 2005 in Sydney ::* the home price explosion is due to other factors than the cost of actually buliding a home.

• rare double colon, feel blessed
  

I think zoning regulations also need to be drastically reviewed. There really is no reason for free standing single family dwellings within a 5km to 10km radius of major cities like Sydney and Melbourne.

I prefer greater density around PT hubs both in the inner city and outer suburbs to overdevelopment in the inner city. Demographic changes where all of the inner city residents are in apartments would probably hollow out families and kids living there with repercussions for the provision of health and education.

If someone can afford it I see nothing wrong with young families living near the CBD as long as they know whether their house is zoned as either high or low density and the development potential off the property.

I think there should be a much more comprehensive register off properties so that new residents can have some certainty about what their suburb will look like 20-30 years down the track.

I mean sure, pockets of high density living is a great idea. My point is that in a cities like Sydney in Melbourne (particularly) there is a lot of low density housing close to the city as a result of very wealthly people’s ability to successfully NIMBY their way out of changes to zoning regulations.

I hear the ALP campaigners in Wills, have following a redistribution after the abolishing of Higgins which resulted in the northern part of the Greens held Melbourne becoming part of Wills have taken to referring to the southern enclave as New South Wills. Wills also has the ‘hipster proof fence’ along Bell Street dividing the electorate by Greens and ALP support.

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Oh, sorry, I didn’t realise it was impossible to change the way in which a building is used.

shrug

Just saying that pointing at international students and saying they are “part of the problem” is a bit of a simplified point of view. Yes there is a large spectrum of accommodation styles and there is clearly crossover with domestic students, but in general, many international students are people of means. They are paying large sums of money (literally hundred’s of thousands of dollars) to attend universities here in Aust and with means often comes the ability to pay for more premium style accommodation.

That said, I’m not sure that re-purposing multi-story buildings to more aptly suit couples or families would make the accommodation any less expensive.

So you are saying that saying they are “part of the problem” is a bit of a simplified point of view, but saying they are not “part of the problem” is not a simplified point of view.

Interesting.

what I’m saying is that I think that people that don’t really know what modern student accommodation is, or how it’s structured, often mistake it for classic apartment or “share house” style accommodation. The fact is that there is little evidence to support the claim that international students are competing with even domestic students, let alone, couples or families for accommodation.

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

shrug

Just saying that pointing at international students and saying they are “part of the problem” is a bit of a simplified point of view. Yes there is a large spectrum of accommodation styles and there is clearly crossover with domestic students, but in general, many international students are people of means. They are paying large sums of money (literally hundred’s of thousands of dollars) to attend universities here in Aust and with means often comes the ability to pay for more premium style accommodation.

That said, I’m not sure that re-purposing multi-story buildings to more aptly suit couples or families would make the accommodation any less expensive.

So you are saying that saying they are “part of the problem” is a bit of a simplified point of view, but saying they are not “part of the problem” is not a simplified point of view.

Interesting.

what I’m saying is that I think that people that don’t really know what modern student accommodation is, or how it’s structured, often mistake it for classic apartment or “share house” style accommodation. The fact is that there is little evidence to support the claim that international students are competing with even domestic students, let alone, couples or families for accommodation.

And I’m saying that isn’t a bit of a simplified view, it’s a grossly simplified view.

Witty Rejoinder said:

I hear the ALP campaigners in Wills, have following a redistribution after the abolishing of Higgins which resulted in the northern part of the Greens held Melbourne becoming part of Wills have taken to referring to the southern enclave as New South Wills. Wills also has the ‘hipster proof fence’ along Bell Street dividing the electorate by Greens and ALP support.

amusing

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

I think zoning regulations also need to be drastically reviewed. There really is no reason for free standing single family dwellings within a 5km to 10km radius of major cities like Sydney and Melbourne.

I prefer greater density around PT hubs both in the inner city and outer suburbs to overdevelopment in the inner city. Demographic changes where all of the inner city residents are in apartments would probably hollow out families and kids living there with repercussions for the provision of health and education.

If someone can afford it I see nothing wrong with young families living near the CBD as long as they know whether their house is zoned as either high or low density and the development potential off the property.

I think there should be a much more comprehensive register off properties so that new residents can have some certainty about what their suburb will look like 20-30 years down the track.

I mean sure, pockets of high density living is a great idea. My point is that in a cities like Sydney in Melbourne (particularly) there is a lot of low density housing close to the city as a result of very wealthly people’s ability to successfully NIMBY their way out of changes to zoning regulations.

That presumes that inner suburbs should be high density regardless of their proximity to public transport. IMO 10 storey apartments on train lines 30km from the CBD make more sense than 5 storeys in areas that while close to the CBD might be kilometres from PT.

In the end if there is demand for freestanding homes at all price points IMO it makes sense to have them scattered across the metropolitan area and not limited to inner suburbs. Ghettos can develop if housing is heavily stratified by income or the nature of the residents demographics.

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So you are saying that saying they are “part of the problem” is a bit of a simplified point of view, but saying they are not “part of the problem” is not a simplified point of view.

Interesting.

what I’m saying is that I think that people that don’t really know what modern student accommodation is, or how it’s structured, often mistake it for classic apartment or “share house” style accommodation. The fact is that there is little evidence to support the claim that international students are competing with even domestic students, let alone, couples or families for accommodation.

And I’m saying that isn’t a bit of a simplified view, it’s a grossly simplified view.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

My own view is that there is a perfectly adequate number of homes, even a slight surplus represented by dwellings left vacant in the medium to long term, and the sharp price increase is mainly due to those homes being primarily held by a small number of institutions and individuals. OTOH there’s a long of benefit in other ways of building more of those homes closer to centres of employment, enjoyment and transportation hubs to ease transportation issues and improve q.o.l, and also better matching the set of homes to meet the lifestyles of younger people who aren’t going to have children until their late 30s or never. I suppose you could argue that the fact that a % of builders are working on student accommodation means they aren’t building non-student accom but a) be real, it’s not as though the number of international students is blowing up to the extent that the new student accommodation buildings dominate the building industry and b) the costs of home building have not blown up relative to inflation: it’s gone up about 20% (over inflation) since 2005 in Sydney ::* the home price explosion is due to other factors than the cost of actually buliding a home.

• rare double colon, feel blessed
  

I think zoning regulations also need to be drastically reviewed. There really is no reason for free standing single family dwellings within a 5km to 10km radius of major cities like Sydney and Melbourne.

I prefer greater density around PT hubs both in the inner city and outer suburbs to overdevelopment in the inner city. Demographic changes where all of the inner city residents are in apartments would probably hollow out families and kids living there with repercussions for the provision of health and education.

If someone can afford it I see nothing wrong with young families living near the CBD as long as they know whether their house is zoned as either high or low density and the development potential off the property.

I think there should be a much more comprehensive register off properties so that new residents can have some certainty about what their suburb will look like 20-30 years down the track.

I mean people do have the capacity to sell their properties and move, and increased density drives pricing so they should be able to sell up and relocate nicely. Very ordinary established homes in Leichhardt go for $3 million. So I think a better approach might be to just let people know that things change and a given suburb today will probably not look like that in, you know, 2055, and to accept that there is no aspect of life that is static in that way.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/06/fact-check-are-australias-international-students-making-it-harder-to-find-a-rental-property-as-peter-dutton-claims

Link

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/are-international-students-to-blame-for-the-housing-crisis/f9q327agx

Link

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I prefer greater density around PT hubs both in the inner city and outer suburbs to overdevelopment in the inner city. Demographic changes where all of the inner city residents are in apartments would probably hollow out families and kids living there with repercussions for the provision of health and education.

If someone can afford it I see nothing wrong with young families living near the CBD as long as they know whether their house is zoned as either high or low density and the development potential off the property.

I think there should be a much more comprehensive register off properties so that new residents can have some certainty about what their suburb will look like 20-30 years down the track.

I mean sure, pockets of high density living is a great idea. My point is that in a cities like Sydney in Melbourne (particularly) there is a lot of low density housing close to the city as a result of very wealthly people’s ability to successfully NIMBY their way out of changes to zoning regulations.

That presumes that inner suburbs should be high density regardless of their proximity to public transport. IMO 10 storey apartments on train lines 30km from the CBD make more sense than 5 storeys in areas that while close to the CBD might be kilometres from PT.

In the end if there is demand for freestanding homes at all price points IMO it makes sense to have them scattered across the metropolitan area and not limited to OUTER suburbs. Ghettos can develop if housing is heavily stratified by income or the nature of the residents demographics.

Fixed.

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I prefer greater density around PT hubs both in the inner city and outer suburbs to overdevelopment in the inner city. Demographic changes where all of the inner city residents are in apartments would probably hollow out families and kids living there with repercussions for the provision of health and education.

If someone can afford it I see nothing wrong with young families living near the CBD as long as they know whether their house is zoned as either high or low density and the development potential off the property.

I think there should be a much more comprehensive register off properties so that new residents can have some certainty about what their suburb will look like 20-30 years down the track.

I mean sure, pockets of high density living is a great idea. My point is that in a cities like Sydney in Melbourne (particularly) there is a lot of low density housing close to the city as a result of very wealthly people’s ability to successfully NIMBY their way out of changes to zoning regulations.

That presumes that inner suburbs should be high density regardless of their proximity to public transport. IMO 10 storey apartments on train lines 30km from the CBD make more sense than 5 storeys in areas that while close to the CBD might be kilometres from PT.

In the end if there is demand for freestanding homes at all price points IMO it makes sense to have them scattered across the metropolitan area and not limited to inner suburbs. Ghettos can develop if housing is heavily stratified by income or the nature of the residents demographics.

One thing I will add is that there isn’t a lot of the middle option in Australia, some but not much. So people think it is either little apartments in towers or fully detatched house on land. Could use of few more two and three story townhouses with a little yard, as is not uncommon in Pomgolia. 200 sq m of land, 80 sq m foot, 160 sq m internal floor space with 120 sq m of yard, quite suitable for a small family.

dv said:

My own view is that there is a perfectly adequate number of homes, even a slight surplus represented by dwellings left vacant in the medium to long term, and the sharp price increase is mainly due to those homes being primarily held by a small number of institutions and individuals. OTOH there’s a long of benefit in other ways of building more of those homes closer to centres of employment, enjoyment and transportation hubs to ease transportation issues and improve q.o.l, and also better matching the set of homes to meet the lifestyles of younger people who aren’t going to have children until their late 30s or never. I suppose you could argue that the fact that a % of builders are working on student accommodation means they aren’t building non-student accom but a) be real, it’s not as though the number of international students is blowing up to the extent that the new student accommodation buildings dominate the building industry and b) the costs of home building have not blown up relative to inflation: it’s gone up about 20% (over inflation) since 2005 in Sydney ::* the home price explosion is due to other factors than the cost of actually buliding a home.

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I got q.o.l.

I feel blessed.

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/06/fact-check-are-australias-international-students-making-it-harder-to-find-a-rental-property-as-peter-dutton-claims

Link

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/are-international-students-to-blame-for-the-housing-crisis/f9q327agx

Link

Yet more either/orism.

The only factual data provided in those links shows that international students do indeed contribute to the high cost of housing.

I’m surprised that the number is as high as 4% of the total.

As D-S notes, the international student biz is effectively one of our major exports. It brings tens of billions of dollars and contributes in various ways to federal revenues which, ideally, can be used to benefit Australians. Properly managed it should be a net boon for regular folks here.
I do tend to think that Australia is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and mainly rationally run. So I lean away from curtailing the international students and lean towards having a bit of policy rethink to ensure that the money generated from the industry is aiding citizens, and that it is done so in ways that let them feel those benefits.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

I mean sure, pockets of high density living is a great idea. My point is that in a cities like Sydney in Melbourne (particularly) there is a lot of low density housing close to the city as a result of very wealthly people’s ability to successfully NIMBY their way out of changes to zoning regulations.

That presumes that inner suburbs should be high density regardless of their proximity to public transport. IMO 10 storey apartments on train lines 30km from the CBD make more sense than 5 storeys in areas that while close to the CBD might be kilometres from PT.

In the end if there is demand for freestanding homes at all price points IMO it makes sense to have them scattered across the metropolitan area and not limited to inner suburbs. Ghettos can develop if housing is heavily stratified by income or the nature of the residents demographics.

One thing I will add is that there isn’t a lot of the middle option in Australia, some but not much. So people think it is either little apartments in towers or fully detatched house on land. Could use of few more two and three story townhouses with a little yard, as is not uncommon in Pomgolia. 200 sq m of land, 80 sq m foot, 160 sq m internal floor space with 120 sq m of yard, quite suitable for a small family.

Yeah from what other seen there is a lot of that going on across Melbourne on larger or corner blocks. One drawback is the lack of parking when 1 two car household becomes 4 or 6 depending on how many townhouses are built.

Witty Rejoinder said:

For Buffy:

Independent challenges Tehan in once-safe Wannon
Advertisement

Sitting Liberal MP Dan Tehan is fending off a spirited challenge from independent former radio host Alex Dyson. The challenger’s distinctive orange posters and kelpie signs are dotted extensively throughout the vast and traditionally conservative electorate, which stretches from Anglesea on the Surf Coast to the South Australian border and as far inland as Ararat.

The state of roads is a persistent bugbear for Wannon voters, but the prospect of offshore wind farms on the south-west coast might also figure in this campaign.

Dyson has some hefty financial backing from campaign group Climate 200, which seeks to pressure governments into stronger action on climate change.

Tehan has held the previously safe seat since 2010. But Dyson eroded his margin at the previous two elections enough to render the seat marginal – Tehan holds it with a margin of 3.8 per cent* – and set up a compelling contest.

Boundary changes since the last election may also play to Dyson’s advantage.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/battleground-victoria-why-these-candidates-may-hold-the-key-to-the-federal-election-result-20250325-p5lmdi.html

Thank you. I’ll read that now. (I’ve been planting peas, just came back inside)

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That presumes that inner suburbs should be high density regardless of their proximity to public transport. IMO 10 storey apartments on train lines 30km from the CBD make more sense than 5 storeys in areas that while close to the CBD might be kilometres from PT.

In the end if there is demand for freestanding homes at all price points IMO it makes sense to have them scattered across the metropolitan area and not limited to inner suburbs. Ghettos can develop if housing is heavily stratified by income or the nature of the residents demographics.

One thing I will add is that there isn’t a lot of the middle option in Australia, some but not much. So people think it is either little apartments in towers or fully detatched house on land. Could use of few more two and three story townhouses with a little yard, as is not uncommon in Pomgolia. 200 sq m of land, 80 sq m foot, 160 sq m internal floor space with 120 sq m of yard, quite suitable for a small family.

Yeah from what other seen there is a lot of that going on across Melbourne on larger or corner blocks. One drawback is the lack of parking when 1 two car household becomes 4 or 6 depending on how many townhouses are built.

Well that gets back to my other hobby horse, or is it a high horse, which is that a city of 5 million people needs to aim to have such a comprehensive public transport system that you’d hardly even bother using a car. Most personal journeys in Paris, London, NY, Tokyo Singapore are by PT, and Sydney and Melbourne should have as a goal a good enough transport system that people can reasonably go carless, at least for their regular jourrneys.

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/06/fact-check-are-australias-international-students-making-it-harder-to-find-a-rental-property-as-peter-dutton-claims

Link

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/are-international-students-to-blame-for-the-housing-crisis/f9q327agx

Link

Yet more either/orism.

The only factual data provided in those links shows that international students do indeed contribute to the high cost of housing.

I’m surprised that the number is as high as 4% of the total.

I guess my particular issue with the subject is that this is often showcased as something that is “at the heart” of housing unaffordability when, IMO, there are much much larger problems that should be addressed as a much higher priority. But hey, people that look through keyholes only see what they see.

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/06/fact-check-are-australias-international-students-making-it-harder-to-find-a-rental-property-as-peter-dutton-claims

Link

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/are-international-students-to-blame-for-the-housing-crisis/f9q327agx

Link

Yet more either/orism.

The only factual data provided in those links shows that international students do indeed contribute to the high cost of housing.

I’m surprised that the number is as high as 4% of the total.

I guess my particular issue with the subject is that this is often showcased as something that is “at the heart” of housing unaffordability when, IMO, there are much much larger problems that should be addressed as a much higher priority. But hey, people that look through keyholes only see what they see.

That may well be the case, but no-one here this morning has suggested that international students are “at the heart” of the problem.

There have however been many suggestions that their contribution to the problem is either zero, or totally negligible, and I doubt that that is the case.

It may well be that restricting the numbers would have such a cost that it would be more efficient to do other things with that money, but I have yet to see a discussion along those lines.

dv said:

200 sq m of land, 80 sq m foot, 160 sq m internal floor space with 120 sq m of yard, quite suitable for a small family.

Square meter foot and square meter yards?

I knew pomgolia was transitioning but still…

Kingy said:

dv said:

200 sq m of land, 80 sq m foot, 160 sq m internal floor space with 120 sq m of yard, quite suitable for a small family.

Square meter foot and square meter yards?

I knew pomgolia was transitioning but still…

Foot as in the footing of the building.

Yard as in out door area

I should have thought this out

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yet more either/orism.

The only factual data provided in those links shows that international students do indeed contribute to the high cost of housing.

I’m surprised that the number is as high as 4% of the total.

I guess my particular issue with the subject is that this is often showcased as something that is “at the heart” of housing unaffordability when, IMO, there are much much larger problems that should be addressed as a much higher priority. But hey, people that look through keyholes only see what they see.

That may well be the case, but no-one here this morning has suggested that international students are “at the heart” of the problem.

There have however been many suggestions that their contribution to the problem is either zero, or totally negligible, and I doubt that that is the case.

It may well be that restricting the numbers would have such a cost that it would be more efficient to do other things with that money, but I have yet to see a discussion along those lines.

In a holistic sense, in the longer term, with wise govt decisions of what to do with the 10 digit sum generated by the international student biz, the industry could ameliorate the problem. But I accept that’s merely a potential not an actuality.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

I guess my particular issue with the subject is that this is often showcased as something that is “at the heart” of housing unaffordability when, IMO, there are much much larger problems that should be addressed as a much higher priority. But hey, people that look through keyholes only see what they see.

That may well be the case, but no-one here this morning has suggested that international students are “at the heart” of the problem.

There have however been many suggestions that their contribution to the problem is either zero, or totally negligible, and I doubt that that is the case.

It may well be that restricting the numbers would have such a cost that it would be more efficient to do other things with that money, but I have yet to see a discussion along those lines.

In a holistic sense, in the longer term, with wise govt decisions of what to do with the 10 digit sum generated by the international student biz, the industry could ameliorate the problem. But I accept that’s merely a potential not an actuality.

So once again we are all in agreeance then :)

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

I think zoning regulations also need to be drastically reviewed. There really is no reason for free standing single family dwellings within a 5km to 10km radius of major cities like Sydney and Melbourne.

I prefer greater density around PT hubs both in the inner city and outer suburbs to overdevelopment in the inner city. Demographic changes where all of the inner city residents are in apartments would probably hollow out families and kids living there with repercussions for the provision of health and education.

If someone can afford it I see nothing wrong with young families living near the CBD as long as they know whether their house is zoned as either high or low density and the development potential off the property.

I think there should be a much more comprehensive register off properties so that new residents can have some certainty about what their suburb will look like 20-30 years down the track.

I mean people do have the capacity to sell their properties and move, and increased density drives pricing so they should be able to sell up and relocate nicely. Very ordinary established homes in Leichhardt go for $3 million. So I think a better approach might be to just let people know that things change and a given suburb today will probably not look like that in, you know, 2055, and to accept that there is no aspect of life that is static in that way.

Fair.

In 1975, I rented a lovely, interesting, somewhat run down, old, two story, semi-detached house, built around a convict-hewn, sandstone-block spine in Balmain. The view into the city and onto the Harbour Bridge was extraordinary. The owner (who I worked for on weekends) offered it to me for $16,000. I would have loved to have bought and renovated it, but I couldn’t raise a loan, because I had never had a loan; I’d always paid cash for things.

Current estimate of price is about $2.5 M.

Kingy said:

dv said:

200 sq m of land, 80 sq m foot, 160 sq m internal floor space with 120 sq m of yard, quite suitable for a small family.

Square meter foot and square meter yards?

I knew pomgolia was transitioning but still…

House footprint, I think.

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/06/fact-check-are-australias-international-students-making-it-harder-to-find-a-rental-property-as-peter-dutton-claims

Link

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/are-international-students-to-blame-for-the-housing-crisis/f9q327agx

Link

Yet more either/orism.

The only factual data provided in those links shows that international students do indeed contribute to the high cost of housing.

I’m surprised that the number is as high as 4% of the total.

LOL.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I prefer greater density around PT hubs both in the inner city and outer suburbs to overdevelopment in the inner city. Demographic changes where all of the inner city residents are in apartments would probably hollow out families and kids living there with repercussions for the provision of health and education.

If someone can afford it I see nothing wrong with young families living near the CBD as long as they know whether their house is zoned as either high or low density and the development potential off the property.

I think there should be a much more comprehensive register off properties so that new residents can have some certainty about what their suburb will look like 20-30 years down the track.

I mean people do have the capacity to sell their properties and move, and increased density drives pricing so they should be able to sell up and relocate nicely. Very ordinary established homes in Leichhardt go for $3 million. So I think a better approach might be to just let people know that things change and a given suburb today will probably not look like that in, you know, 2055, and to accept that there is no aspect of life that is static in that way.

Fair.

In 1975, I rented a lovely, interesting, somewhat run down, old, two story, semi-detached house, built around a convict-hewn, sandstone-block spine in Balmain. The view into the city and onto the Harbour Bridge was extraordinary. The owner (who I worked for on weekends) offered it to me for $16,000. I would have loved to have bought and renovated it, but I couldn’t raise a loan, because I had never had a loan; I’d always paid cash for things.

Current estimate of price is about $2.5 M.

You aren’t the lone stranger there. Many of us saw opportunities that we didn’t think we could afford but in hindsight, borrowing to buy at the time would have been no problem, if only we had a credit rating.
I saw two acre blocks south of town for $1,200. I was earning $30 per week and paying half that in rent. Those two acres are worth around $6m if the land was bare today.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I prefer greater density around PT hubs both in the inner city and outer suburbs to overdevelopment in the inner city. Demographic changes where all of the inner city residents are in apartments would probably hollow out families and kids living there with repercussions for the provision of health and education.

If someone can afford it I see nothing wrong with young families living near the CBD as long as they know whether their house is zoned as either high or low density and the development potential off the property.

I think there should be a much more comprehensive register off properties so that new residents can have some certainty about what their suburb will look like 20-30 years down the track.

I mean people do have the capacity to sell their properties and move, and increased density drives pricing so they should be able to sell up and relocate nicely. Very ordinary established homes in Leichhardt go for $3 million. So I think a better approach might be to just let people know that things change and a given suburb today will probably not look like that in, you know, 2055, and to accept that there is no aspect of life that is static in that way.

Fair.

In 1975, I rented a lovely, interesting, somewhat run down, old, two story, semi-detached house, built around a convict-hewn, sandstone-block spine in Balmain. The view into the city and onto the Harbour Bridge was extraordinary. The owner (who I worked for on weekends) offered it to me for $16,000. I would have loved to have bought and renovated it, but I couldn’t raise a loan, because I had never had a loan; I’d always paid cash for things.

Current estimate of price is about $2.5 M.

Yeah, i could have bought my grandmother’s house in Rozelle from her around the same time (she wanted to move). She got $30,000 for it.

I could have spent bucks on restoring/upgrading it.

Someone did. You can see pics of its current state here:

https://www.realestate.com.au/property/180-evans-st-rozelle-nsw-2039/

Those marble fireplace surrounds and mantles are original, i can attest. The doorway between the lounge and dining rooms used to have timber folding doors, with moluldings.

I see that the dunny is still downstairs, out the back, and you have to go outside to get to it.

When this land first went for sale, it was $19k. According to my rates notice, it’s now worth nearly $400k, and my block was cut in half so the bigger blocks around the street would be gobsmackingly expensive.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I prefer greater density around PT hubs both in the inner city and outer suburbs to overdevelopment in the inner city. Demographic changes where all of the inner city residents are in apartments would probably hollow out families and kids living there with repercussions for the provision of health and education.

If someone can afford it I see nothing wrong with young families living near the CBD as long as they know whether their house is zoned as either high or low density and the development potential off the property.

I think there should be a much more comprehensive register off properties so that new residents can have some certainty about what their suburb will look like 20-30 years down the track.

I mean people do have the capacity to sell their properties and move, and increased density drives pricing so they should be able to sell up and relocate nicely. Very ordinary established homes in Leichhardt go for $3 million. So I think a better approach might be to just let people know that things change and a given suburb today will probably not look like that in, you know, 2055, and to accept that there is no aspect of life that is static in that way.

Fair.

In 1975, I rented a lovely, interesting, somewhat run down, old, two story, semi-detached house, built around a convict-hewn, sandstone-block spine in Balmain. The view into the city and onto the Harbour Bridge was extraordinary. The owner (who I worked for on weekends) offered it to me for $16,000. I would have loved to have bought and renovated it, but I couldn’t raise a loan, because I had never had a loan; I’d always paid cash for things.

Current estimate of price is about $2.5 M.

as an aside, if you did have that money at the time and put it into a fund that returned at the average annual rate, your $16k would now be worth about $10.5M

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

I mean people do have the capacity to sell their properties and move, and increased density drives pricing so they should be able to sell up and relocate nicely. Very ordinary established homes in Leichhardt go for $3 million. So I think a better approach might be to just let people know that things change and a given suburb today will probably not look like that in, you know, 2055, and to accept that there is no aspect of life that is static in that way.

Fair.

In 1975, I rented a lovely, interesting, somewhat run down, old, two story, semi-detached house, built around a convict-hewn, sandstone-block spine in Balmain. The view into the city and onto the Harbour Bridge was extraordinary. The owner (who I worked for on weekends) offered it to me for $16,000. I would have loved to have bought and renovated it, but I couldn’t raise a loan, because I had never had a loan; I’d always paid cash for things.

Current estimate of price is about $2.5 M.

Yeah, i could have bought my grandmother’s house in Rozelle from her around the same time (she wanted to move). She got $30,000 for it.

I could have spent bucks on restoring/upgrading it.

Someone did. You can see pics of its current state here:

https://www.realestate.com.au/property/180-evans-st-rozelle-nsw-2039/

Those marble fireplace surrounds and mantles are original, i can attest. The doorway between the lounge and dining rooms used to have timber folding doors, with moluldings.

I see that the dunny is still downstairs, out the back, and you have to go outside to get to it.

Nice. Big mid-late Victorian brick place. Well renovated. Similar houses across the road in Balmain.

The Balmain house was much smaller and dominantly timber – and much older. Internal lining: wattle and daub plaster.

59 Short St, Balmain.

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

I mean people do have the capacity to sell their properties and move, and increased density drives pricing so they should be able to sell up and relocate nicely. Very ordinary established homes in Leichhardt go for $3 million. So I think a better approach might be to just let people know that things change and a given suburb today will probably not look like that in, you know, 2055, and to accept that there is no aspect of life that is static in that way.

Fair.

In 1975, I rented a lovely, interesting, somewhat run down, old, two story, semi-detached house, built around a convict-hewn, sandstone-block spine in Balmain. The view into the city and onto the Harbour Bridge was extraordinary. The owner (who I worked for on weekends) offered it to me for $16,000. I would have loved to have bought and renovated it, but I couldn’t raise a loan, because I had never had a loan; I’d always paid cash for things.

Current estimate of price is about $2.5 M.

as an aside, if you did have that money at the time and put it into a fund that returned at the average annual rate, your $16k would now be worth about $10.5M

Heck!

Divine Angel said:

When this land first went for sale, it was $19k. According to my rates notice, it’s now worth nearly $400k, and my block was cut in half so the bigger blocks around the street would be gobsmackingly expensive.

Heck!

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

I mean people do have the capacity to sell their properties and move, and increased density drives pricing so they should be able to sell up and relocate nicely. Very ordinary established homes in Leichhardt go for $3 million. So I think a better approach might be to just let people know that things change and a given suburb today will probably not look like that in, you know, 2055, and to accept that there is no aspect of life that is static in that way.

Fair.

In 1975, I rented a lovely, interesting, somewhat run down, old, two story, semi-detached house, built around a convict-hewn, sandstone-block spine in Balmain. The view into the city and onto the Harbour Bridge was extraordinary. The owner (who I worked for on weekends) offered it to me for $16,000. I would have loved to have bought and renovated it, but I couldn’t raise a loan, because I had never had a loan; I’d always paid cash for things.

Current estimate of price is about $2.5 M.

as an aside, if you did have that money at the time and put it into a fund that returned at the average annual rate, your $16k would now be worth about $10.5M

Please show working.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

When this land first went for sale, it was $19k. According to my rates notice, it’s now worth nearly $400k, and my block was cut in half so the bigger blocks around the street would be gobsmackingly expensive.

Heck!

Similarly? My block of land was $2,300 and it is now worth $88,000. That’s just the land.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah, i could have bought my grandmother’s house in Rozelle from her around the same time (she wanted to move). She got $30,000 for it.

I could have spent bucks on restoring/upgrading it.

Someone did. You can see pics of its current state here:

https://www.realestate.com.au/property/180-evans-st-rozelle-nsw-2039/

Those marble fireplace surrounds and mantles are original, i can attest. The doorway between the lounge and dining rooms used to have timber folding doors, with moluldings.

I see that the dunny is still downstairs, out the back, and you have to go outside to get to it.

Nice. Big mid-late Victorian brick place. Well renovated. Similar houses across the road in Balmain.

The Balmain house was much smaller and dominantly timber – and much older. Internal lining: wattle and daub plaster.

59 Short St, Balmain.

The lounge room in the pics was once a veterinary surgery. My maternal grandfather was a vet, and conducted a practice from his house. He was the vet for Harold Park Raceway, in his time.

The house was directly opposite the Rose, Shamrock and Thistle pub (‘The Three Weeds’). It’s no longer a pub, but, had i bought the place, i could have done my boozing there for some years, and practically fallen out of the door of the pub and landed on my own doorstep.

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/06/fact-check-are-australias-international-students-making-it-harder-to-find-a-rental-property-as-peter-dutton-claims

Link

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/are-international-students-to-blame-for-the-housing-crisis/f9q327agx

Link

Yet more either/orism.

The only factual data provided in those links shows that international students do indeed contribute to the high cost of housing.

I’m surprised that the number is as high as 4% of the total.

LOL.

What is the reason for your amusement good sir?

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah, i could have bought my grandmother’s house in Rozelle from her around the same time (she wanted to move). She got $30,000 for it.

I could have spent bucks on restoring/upgrading it.

Someone did. You can see pics of its current state here:

https://www.realestate.com.au/property/180-evans-st-rozelle-nsw-2039/

Those marble fireplace surrounds and mantles are original, i can attest. The doorway between the lounge and dining rooms used to have timber folding doors, with moluldings.

I see that the dunny is still downstairs, out the back, and you have to go outside to get to it.

Nice. Big mid-late Victorian brick place. Well renovated. Similar houses across the road in Balmain.

The Balmain house was much smaller and dominantly timber – and much older. Internal lining: wattle and daub plaster.

59 Short St, Balmain.

The lounge room in the pics was once a veterinary surgery. My maternal grandfather was a vet, and conducted a practice from his house. He was the vet for Harold Park Raceway, in his time.

The house was directly opposite the Rose, Shamrock and Thistle pub (‘The Three Weeds’). It’s no longer a pub, but, had i bought the place, i could have done my boozing there for some years, and practically fallen out of the door of the pub and landed on my own doorstep.

So many publicans failed in that fashion.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah, i could have bought my grandmother’s house in Rozelle from her around the same time (she wanted to move). She got $30,000 for it.

I could have spent bucks on restoring/upgrading it.

Someone did. You can see pics of its current state here:

https://www.realestate.com.au/property/180-evans-st-rozelle-nsw-2039/

Those marble fireplace surrounds and mantles are original, i can attest. The doorway between the lounge and dining rooms used to have timber folding doors, with moluldings.

I see that the dunny is still downstairs, out the back, and you have to go outside to get to it.

Nice. Big mid-late Victorian brick place. Well renovated. Similar houses across the road in Balmain.

The Balmain house was much smaller and dominantly timber – and much older. Internal lining: wattle and daub plaster.

59 Short St, Balmain.

The lounge room in the pics was once a veterinary surgery. My maternal grandfather was a vet, and conducted a practice from his house. He was the vet for Harold Park Raceway, in his time.

The house was directly opposite the Rose, Shamrock and Thistle pub (‘The Three Weeds’). It’s no longer a pub, but, had i bought the place, i could have done my boozing there for some years, and practically fallen out of the door of the pub and landed on my own doorstep.

your liver probably sighed with relief.

It was quite the place to live back then.

The bloke in the place next door ran a ‘dude ranch’ out near Windsor, and supplied horses and carriages for film, TV, and even stage productions, in the 1960s and70s, including the Australian ‘Whiplash’ TV series.

Two doors down lived one of the most successful SP bookies in Sydney.

And a young lad could get quite an education, sitting in the house’s front garden, watching the comings and goings from the pub.

captain_spalding said:

It was quite the place to live back then.

The bloke in the place next door ran a ‘dude ranch’ out near Windsor, and supplied horses and carriages for film, TV, and even stage productions, in the 1960s and70s, including the Australian ‘Whiplash’ TV series.

Two doors down lived one of the most successful SP bookies in Sydney.

And a young lad could get quite an education, sitting in the house’s front garden, watching the comings and goings from the pub.

I grew up in pubs…

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

It was quite the place to live back then.

The bloke in the place next door ran a ‘dude ranch’ out near Windsor, and supplied horses and carriages for film, TV, and even stage productions, in the 1960s and70s, including the Australian ‘Whiplash’ TV series.

Two doors down lived one of the most successful SP bookies in Sydney.

And a young lad could get quite an education, sitting in the house’s front garden, watching the comings and goings from the pub.

I grew up in pubs…

Then there’s nothing i can tell you about that, then!

Must have been quite an arduous childhood, in a lot of ways.

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

It was quite the place to live back then.

The bloke in the place next door ran a ‘dude ranch’ out near Windsor, and supplied horses and carriages for film, TV, and even stage productions, in the 1960s and70s, including the Australian ‘Whiplash’ TV series.

Two doors down lived one of the most successful SP bookies in Sydney.

And a young lad could get quite an education, sitting in the house’s front garden, watching the comings and goings from the pub.

I grew up in pubs…

Then there’s nothing i can tell you about that, then!

Must have been quite an arduous childhood, in a lot of ways.

not much about humans surprises me…

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

I grew up in pubs…

Then there’s nothing i can tell you about that, then!

Must have been quite an arduous childhood, in a lot of ways.

not much about humans surprises me…

Your early-life experience, plus your chosen field of study…no, people would be hard-pressed to surprise you.

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

It was quite the place to live back then.

The bloke in the place next door ran a ‘dude ranch’ out near Windsor, and supplied horses and carriages for film, TV, and even stage productions, in the 1960s and70s, including the Australian ‘Whiplash’ TV series.

Two doors down lived one of the most successful SP bookies in Sydney.

And a young lad could get quite an education, sitting in the house’s front garden, watching the comings and goings from the pub.

I grew up in pubs…

I grew up opposite a pub.
Full of hippies.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah, i could have bought my grandmother’s house in Rozelle from her around the same time (she wanted to move). She got $30,000 for it.

I could have spent bucks on restoring/upgrading it.

Someone did. You can see pics of its current state here:

https://www.realestate.com.au/property/180-evans-st-rozelle-nsw-2039/

Those marble fireplace surrounds and mantles are original, i can attest. The doorway between the lounge and dining rooms used to have timber folding doors, with moluldings.

I see that the dunny is still downstairs, out the back, and you have to go outside to get to it.

Nice. Big mid-late Victorian brick place. Well renovated. Similar houses across the road in Balmain.

The Balmain house was much smaller and dominantly timber – and much older. Internal lining: wattle and daub plaster.

59 Short St, Balmain.

The lounge room in the pics was once a veterinary surgery. My maternal grandfather was a vet, and conducted a practice from his house. He was the vet for Harold Park Raceway, in his time.

The house was directly opposite the Rose, Shamrock and Thistle pub (‘The Three Weeds’). It’s no longer a pub, but, had i bought the place, i could have done my boozing there for some years, and practically fallen out of the door of the pub and landed on my own doorstep.

Nice!

:)

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

Fair.

In 1975, I rented a lovely, interesting, somewhat run down, old, two story, semi-detached house, built around a convict-hewn, sandstone-block spine in Balmain. The view into the city and onto the Harbour Bridge was extraordinary. The owner (who I worked for on weekends) offered it to me for $16,000. I would have loved to have bought and renovated it, but I couldn’t raise a loan, because I had never had a loan; I’d always paid cash for things.

Current estimate of price is about $2.5 M.

as an aside, if you did have that money at the time and put it into a fund that returned at the average annual rate, your $16k would now be worth about $10.5M

Please show working.

$16,000 invested over 49 years at an average annual rate of about 14.15%

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

as an aside, if you did have that money at the time and put it into a fund that returned at the average annual rate, your $16k would now be worth about $10.5M

Please show working.

$16,000 invested over 49 years at an average annual rate of about 14.15%

OK, I didn’t think the average return rate would be that high, but I couldn’t find any numbers for a 50 year period.

A 10% average return brings it down to about the same as the current property value.

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Please show working.

$16,000 invested over 49 years at an average annual rate of about 14.15%

OK, I didn’t think the average return rate would be that high, but I couldn’t find any numbers for a 50 year period.

A 10% average return brings it down to about the same as the current property value.

Of course, designing a portfolio that returned at the average rate would be a challenge in of itself

Polling average now sits at 51.4 – 48.6 in ALP’s favour.

dv said:

Polling average now sits at 51.4 – 48.6 in ALP’s favour.

When I first looked at Sportsbet when the election was first called, it was $1.40 for both major parties, with $88 for “any other result”.

dv said:

Polling average now sits at 51.4 – 48.6 in ALP’s favour.

Up or down?

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Polling average now sits at 51.4 – 48.6 in ALP’s favour.

When I first looked at Sportsbet when the election was first called, it was $1.40 for both major parties, with $88 for “any other result”.

That’s kind of shit odds.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Polling average now sits at 51.4 – 48.6 in ALP’s favour.

Up or down?

up for ALP, down for LibNat

Michael V said:

dv said:

Polling average now sits at 51.4 – 48.6 in ALP’s favour.

Up or down?

Well that’s a bit up from last week.

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Polling average now sits at 51.4 – 48.6 in ALP’s favour.

Up or down?

up for ALP, down for LibNat

Thanks.

dv said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Polling average now sits at 51.4 – 48.6 in ALP’s favour.

Up or down?

Well that’s a bit up from last week.

Thanks.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/07/amelia-hamer-liberal-candidate-pitched-herself-as-renter-owns-two-properties-ntwnfb

lol

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/07/amelia-hamer-liberal-candidate-pitched-herself-as-renter-owns-two-properties-ntwnfb

lol

Gourd.

https://www.reddit.com/r/brisbane/s/SHs9IWl4WJ

AMA with Elizabeth Watson-Brown, Greens Member for Ryan, at 5:30 pm Tuesday, 8th April

/u/ElizabethWatsonBrown will be here for an AMA starting 24 hours from when this post goes live.

Unlike AMAs from the previous federal election, we will not be able to take your questions early and repost them with a bot, because of the Reddit admins screwing us over. So prepare your questions ahead of time to ask when the thread goes live.

Divine Angel said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/brisbane/s/SHs9IWl4WJ

AMA with Elizabeth Watson-Brown, Greens Member for Ryan, at 5:30 pm Tuesday, 8th April

/u/ElizabethWatsonBrown will be here for an AMA starting 24 hours from when this post goes live.

Unlike AMAs from the previous federal election, we will not be able to take your questions early and repost them with a bot, because of the Reddit admins screwing us over. So prepare your questions ahead of time to ask when the thread goes live.

AMA means “ask me anything”

Michael V said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/07/amelia-hamer-liberal-candidate-pitched-herself-as-renter-owns-two-properties-ntwnfb

lol

Gourd.

but she is renting

Current AMA by Greens Senator Penny Allman-Payne

https://www.reddit.com/r/australian/s/vZj9njjTBh

“Peter Dutton is a pretty decent human being, doesn’t matter what you think of his policies.”
- Jackie Lambie, The Project

Divine Angel said:

“Peter Dutton is a pretty decent human being, doesn’t matter what you think of his policies.”
- Jackie Lambie, The Project

if reality television has taught me anything it’s that a persona that is sold by the media can often be different from lived human reality. Now I’m not saying that PD is a top bloke, only that there may be a world where he’s not actually the character he plays.

diddly-squat said:

Divine Angel said:

“Peter Dutton is a pretty decent human being, doesn’t matter what you think of his policies.”
- Jackie Lambie, The Project

if reality television has taught me anything it’s that a persona that is sold by the media can often be different from lived human reality. Now I’m not saying that PD is a top bloke, only that there may be a world where he’s not actually the character he plays.

Running bullshit policies which threaten basic human rights kinda tells me he ain’t A Tops Bloke, but you’re right, he might be getting the villain edit.

diddly-squat said:

Divine Angel said:

“Peter Dutton is a pretty decent human being, doesn’t matter what you think of his policies.”
- Jackie Lambie, The Project

if reality television has taught me anything it’s that a persona that is sold by the media can often be different from lived human reality. Now I’m not saying that PD is a top bloke, only that there may be a world where he’s not actually the character he plays.

would I vote for jacquie? no way. having said that she sometimes surprise me and represents me anyway.

Divine Angel said:

diddly-squat said:

Divine Angel said:

“Peter Dutton is a pretty decent human being, doesn’t matter what you think of his policies.”
- Jackie Lambie, The Project

if reality television has taught me anything it’s that a persona that is sold by the media can often be different from lived human reality. Now I’m not saying that PD is a top bloke, only that there may be a world where he’s not actually the character he plays.

Running bullshit policies which threaten basic human rights kinda tells me he ain’t A Tops Bloke, but you’re right, he might be getting the villain edit.

Yes, you can judge a man by the company he keeps.

And if that company is people who want to import MAGA lunacy and cruelty into Australia, and mega-rich or pseudo-rich fat bastards/bitches with fascist leanings…well.

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

Divine Angel said:

“Peter Dutton is a pretty decent human being, doesn’t matter what you think of his policies.”
- Jackie Lambie, The Project

if reality television has taught me anything it’s that a persona that is sold by the media can often be different from lived human reality. Now I’m not saying that PD is a top bloke, only that there may be a world where he’s not actually the character he plays.

would I vote for jacquie? no way. having said that she sometimes surprise me and represents me anyway.

It’s like some shards of her moral compass still manage to function from time to time.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

if reality television has taught me anything it’s that a persona that is sold by the media can often be different from lived human reality. Now I’m not saying that PD is a top bloke, only that there may be a world where he’s not actually the character he plays.

would I vote for jacquie? no way. having said that she sometimes surprise me and represents me anyway.

It’s like some shards of her moral compass still manage to function from time to time.

she often does a mass emailing asking for feedback on how she should vote on an issue.

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

Divine Angel said:

“Peter Dutton is a pretty decent human being, doesn’t matter what you think of his policies.”
- Jackie Lambie, The Project

if reality television has taught me anything it’s that a persona that is sold by the media can often be different from lived human reality. Now I’m not saying that PD is a top bloke, only that there may be a world where he’s not actually the character he plays.

would I vote for jacquie? no way. having said that she sometimes surprise me and represents me anyway.

She does seem to be a pretty decent human being, in spite of some strange ideas she has.

I do have something in common with Dutton though, we both enjoy a mojito.

Divine Angel said:

“Peter Dutton is a pretty decent human being, doesn’t matter what you think of his policies.”
- Jackie Lambie, The Project

(Shrugs)

How though

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

would I vote for jacquie? no way. having said that she sometimes surprise me and represents me anyway.

It’s like some shards of her moral compass still manage to function from time to time.

she often does a mass emailing asking for feedback on how she should vote on an issue.

we thought that was what representative was meant to mean

ABC News:

Well, if the Trump administration has pushed the Australian government into doing this, we can credit them with one sensible action.

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

$16,000 invested over 49 years at an average annual rate of about 14.15%

OK, I didn’t think the average return rate would be that high, but I couldn’t find any numbers for a 50 year period.

A 10% average return brings it down to about the same as the current property value.

Of course, designing a portfolio that returned at the average rate would be a challenge in of itself

Just buy everything.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Well, if the Trump administration has pushed the Australian government into doing this, we can credit them with one sensible action.

Probably had a lot to do with the PRC government’s decision to oppose the sales of the Hong Kong owned ports around the world to us private equity firms.

Beijing seemed to have just a little bit to much influence over what was a private company.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

I think zoning regulations also need to be drastically reviewed. There really is no reason for free standing single family dwellings within a 5km to 10km radius of major cities like Sydney and Melbourne.

I prefer greater density around PT hubs both in the inner city and outer suburbs to overdevelopment in the inner city. Demographic changes where all of the inner city residents are in apartments would probably hollow out families and kids living there with repercussions for the provision of health and education.

If someone can afford it I see nothing wrong with young families living near the CBD as long as they know whether their house is zoned as either high or low density and the development potential off the property.

I think there should be a much more comprehensive register off properties so that new residents can have some certainty about what their suburb will look like 20-30 years down the track.

I mean people do have the capacity to sell their properties and move, and increased density drives pricing so they should be able to sell up and relocate nicely. Very ordinary established homes in Leichhardt go for $3 million. So I think a better approach might be to just let people know that things change and a given suburb today will probably not look like that in, you know, 2055, and to accept that there is no aspect of life that is static in that way.

damn someone should have told the north sentinel ese

wait they tried but got arrested andor killed

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So you are saying that saying they are “part of the problem” is a bit of a simplified point of view, but saying they are not “part of the problem” is not a simplified point of view.

Interesting.

what I’m saying is that I think that people that don’t really know what modern student accommodation is, or how it’s structured, often mistake it for classic apartment or “share house” style accommodation. The fact is that there is little evidence to support the claim that international students are competing with even domestic students, let alone, couples or families for accommodation.

And I’m saying that isn’t a bit of a simplified view, it’s a grossly simplified view.

how many significant figures on it would yous like then

SCIENCE said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, I didn’t think the average return rate would be that high, but I couldn’t find any numbers for a 50 year period.

A 10% average return brings it down to about the same as the current property value.

Of course, designing a portfolio that returned at the average rate would be a challenge in of itself

Just buy everything.

Berkshire A would have done it and then some.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Well, if the Trump administration has pushed the Australian government into doing this, we can credit them with one sensible action.

Surely the Trump administration would be pushing for a US takeover and annexation into the 52nd state.

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

IIRC high immigration in total has adversely affected rents because they compete for accomodation with those already here. OTOH there is not as much overlap with foreign students whose housing choices are more likely to be specialised student accomodations in most parts.

^this

For the most part international students are not competing for houses with anyone really.. not even domestic students.

Even if it’s true that almost all international students live in their own segregated little enclaves, they are still occupying buildings that could be occupied by other people if they weren’t there.

The high cost of low cost housing is caused by too many people and too few buildings. Where the people come from is irrelevant.

speaking of oversimplification

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

You know there are a whole load of single individuals looking for affordable accommodation, right?

what makes you think student accommodation is “affordable”?

it’s a often a one stop shop.. accommodation, meals, cleaning services, sporting facilities.. they probably more comparable to hotels

Oh, sorry, I didn’t realise it was impossible to change the way in which a building is used.

sure it is, haven’t you heard all the idiots complaining about how underutilised city centre office buildings can’t be used residentially

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Well, if the Trump administration has pushed the Australian government into doing this, we can credit them with one sensible action.

Surely the Trump administration would be pushing for a US takeover and annexation into the 52nd state.

Well, you could be right there.

If the port operations are put up for bid again, it might open opportunities for an ‘Australian’ outfit (with ‘significant ties’ to an American firm) to put in a tender for it.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Well, if the Trump administration has pushed the Australian government into doing this, we can credit them with one sensible action.

Surely the Trump administration would be pushing for a US takeover and annexation into the 52nd state.

Well, you could be right there.

If the port operations are put up for bid again, it might open opportunities for an ‘Australian’ outfit (with ‘significant ties’ to an American firm) to put in a tender for it.

Or we could just abandon this neoliberal bullshit about privatising everything and re-nationalise it….?

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Surely the Trump administration would be pushing for a US takeover and annexation into the 52nd state.

Well, you could be right there.

If the port operations are put up for bid again, it might open opportunities for an ‘Australian’ outfit (with ‘significant ties’ to an American firm) to put in a tender for it.

Or we could just abandon this neoliberal bullshit about privatising everything and re-nationalise it….?

Ho, ho, that’s rich.

There’s no colour in the Australian political spectrum these days that doesn’t firmly subscribe to the idea that the private sector always does it better, faster, cheaper, cleaner, lighter, brighter, and shinier.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Well, you could be right there.

If the port operations are put up for bid again, it might open opportunities for an ‘Australian’ outfit (with ‘significant ties’ to an American firm) to put in a tender for it.

Or we could just abandon this neoliberal bullshit about privatising everything and re-nationalise it….?

Ho, ho, that’s rich.

There’s no colour in the Australian political spectrum these days that doesn’t firmly subscribe to the idea that the private sector always does it better, faster, cheaper, cleaner, lighter, brighter, and shinier.

yeah, i know. Hoping earnestly for change

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Well, you could be right there.

If the port operations are put up for bid again, it might open opportunities for an ‘Australian’ outfit (with ‘significant ties’ to an American firm) to put in a tender for it.

Or we could just abandon this neoliberal bullshit about privatising everything and re-nationalise it….?

Ho, ho, that’s rich.

There’s no colour in the Australian political spectrum these days that doesn’t firmly subscribe to the idea that the private sector always does it better, faster, cheaper, cleaner, lighter, brighter, and shinier.

It all depends whether the port is a natural monopoly or not. One Port in Darwin probably should be government owned: and there’s a pretty cruisy duopoly going on in most Australian capitals but I’d be mighty surprised if larger port cities the equivalent of Rotterdam or San Diego didn’t benefit from many firms competing.