Well…… he was ill.

It was that audience with Vance that did it

Neophyte said:

It was that audience with Vance that did it

He saw the pure evil in Vance, and it was too much to bear.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Neophyte said:

It was that audience with Vance that did it

He saw the pure evil in Vance, and it was too much to bear.

Hardly surprising. Vance probably asked him if he had any underage couches.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Neophyte said:

It was that audience with Vance that did it

He saw the pure evil in Vance, and it was too much to bear.

Who will be the next half dead pope.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Neophyte said:

It was that audience with Vance that did it

He saw the pure evil in Vance, and it was too much to bear.

Hardly surprising. Vance probably asked him if he had any underage couches.

Might have said he would ban bibles.

Any Cardinals in wheelchairs.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Neophyte said:

It was that audience with Vance that did it

He saw the pure evil in Vance, and it was too much to bear.

Who will be the next half dead pope.

Well it won’t be an Aussie.

Died, deceased, terminated.. hmmm… how we love a dead pope.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Any Cardinals in wheelchairs.

All I can say is thank the good lord that Pell isn’t one of them.

Divine Angel said:

:)

Love it.

:)

I don’t have religion, but I think this Pope was a good Pope. I wonder if they can find another.

Pope John Paul II died 2 April, 2005. I’m sure there’s a sacred meaning in there somewhere.

buffy said:

I don’t have religion, but I think this Pope was a good Pope. I wonder if they can find another.

He personally selected 80% of the cardinals who will be voting, so there’s a pretty good chance.

They should base the next pope on who wins the most chess games.

Divine Angel said:

Pope John Paul II died 2 April, 2005. I’m sure there’s a sacred meaning in there somewhere.

Gargamel died 31 Dec 2022.

ABC Tele

“Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to speak on the Pope”

“Orange Shitgibbon off to play golf.”

Tau.Neutrino said:

They should base the next pope on who wins the most chess games.

Could be a reality TV show in it – Vatican’s Got Talent

Tau.Neutrino said:

They should base the next pope on who wins the most chess games.

Only if they checkmate using the bishop.

Pope John Paul I only poped for 33 days

wait wasn’t he meant to be getting stronger and stronger

SCIENCE said:

wait wasn’t he meant to be getting stronger and stronger

Matthew 19:26

Gambling odds on the successor

4.00 Luis Antonio Tagle (Philippines), 67
5.00 Pietro Parolin (Italy), 70
6.00 Peter Turkson (Ghana), 76
7.00 Peter Erdő (Hungary), 72
9.00 Angelo Scola (Italy), 82

dv said:

Gambling odds on the successor

4.00 Luis Antonio Tagle (Philippines), 67
5.00 Pietro Parolin (Italy), 70
6.00 Peter Turkson (Ghana), 76
7.00 Peter Erdő (Hungary), 72
9.00 Angelo Scola (Italy), 82

I want to know Sportsbet odds.

The pope should be enlightened now.

PeterT Ministries have sent their condolences to the Vatican.
They are taking up a collection for him.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Gambling odds on the successor

4.00 Luis Antonio Tagle (Philippines), 67
5.00 Pietro Parolin (Italy), 70
6.00 Peter Turkson (Ghana), 76
7.00 Peter Erdő (Hungary), 72
9.00 Angelo Scola (Italy), 82

I want to know Sportsbet odds.

It’s based on hospital visits?

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

wait wasn’t he meant to be getting stronger and stronger

Matthew 19:26

Fair but it was just that we remembered seeing

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-20/pope-francis-delivers-easter-sunday-blessing/105195742

this article and thought they were implying he went out because he was better, not because he was making an end of life rally or whatever it’s called. Ah well.

dv said:

Gambling odds on the successor

4.00 Luis Antonio Tagle (Philippines), 67
5.00 Pietro Parolin (Italy), 70
6.00 Peter Turkson (Ghana), 76
7.00 Peter Erdő (Hungary), 72
9.00 Angelo Scola (Italy), 82

Let’s hope for the guy from Ghana (see earlier in the thread about DEI).

:)

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Gambling odds on the successor

4.00 Luis Antonio Tagle (Philippines), 67
5.00 Pietro Parolin (Italy), 70
6.00 Peter Turkson (Ghana), 76
7.00 Peter Erdő (Hungary), 72
9.00 Angelo Scola (Italy), 82

I want to know Sportsbet odds.

I might have something each way on Pietro Parolin.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

wait wasn’t he meant to be getting stronger and stronger

Matthew 19:26

Fair but it was just that we remembered seeing

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-20/pope-francis-delivers-easter-sunday-blessing/105195742

this article and thought they were implying he went out because he was better, not because he was making an end of life rally or whatever it’s called. Ah well.

Journos, hey.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

wait wasn’t he meant to be getting stronger and stronger

Matthew 19:26

Fair but it was just that we remembered seeing

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-20/pope-francis-delivers-easter-sunday-blessing/105195742

this article and thought they were implying he went out because he was better, not because he was making an end of life rally or whatever it’s called. Ah well.

“ What’s next?
The pope is still recovering from a near-fatal bout of double pneumonia.”

Turns out they were wrong about that.

SCIENCE said:

wait wasn’t he meant to be getting stronger and stronger

He did what many people do…they rally and then leave quickly.

buffy said:

I don’t have religion, but I think this Pope was a good Pope. I wonder if they can find another.

He did seem to be quite the moderate pope.

Neophyte said:

It was that audience with Vance that did it

I understand Vance is Catholic. I’d say the Pope decided he had to go now to make sure Vance never gets into Heaven.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Gambling odds on the successor

4.00 Luis Antonio Tagle (Philippines), 67
5.00 Pietro Parolin (Italy), 70
6.00 Peter Turkson (Ghana), 76
7.00 Peter Erdő (Hungary), 72
9.00 Angelo Scola (Italy), 82

Let’s hope for the guy from Ghana (see earlier in the thread about DEI).

:)

Good point.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

wait wasn’t he meant to be getting stronger and stronger

He did what many people do…they rally and then leave quickly.

At least he got to make his last address.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

wait wasn’t he meant to be getting stronger and stronger

He did what many people do…they rally and then leave quickly.

At least he got to make his last address.

Bergoglio graduated as a chemical technician before choosing the path of the priesthood,

I want the next pope to call himself Goesthevezel, because then we can sing about him:

Half a pound of tuppenny rice,
Half a pound of treacle;
That’s where the money goes:
Pope Goesthevezel

btm said:

I want the next pope to call himself Goesthevezel, because then we can sing about him:

Half a pound of tuppenny rice,
Half a pound of treacle;
That’s where the money goes:
Pope Goesthevezel

:)

btm said:

I want the next pope to call himself Goesthevezel, because then we can sing about him:

Half a pound of tuppenny rice,
Half a pound of treacle;
That’s where the money goes:
Pope Goesthevezel

Pope Jude
Pope Delilah
Pope Jolene

Arts said:

btm said:

I want the next pope to call himself Goesthevezel, because then we can sing about him:

Half a pound of tuppenny rice,
Half a pound of treacle;
That’s where the money goes:
Pope Goesthevezel

Pope Jude
Pope Delilah
Pope Jolene

Pope Sprinkler

Arts said:

Pope Jude

bit obscure.

JudgeMental said:

Arts said:

Pope Jude

bit obscure.

hey

Donald Trump is going to the funeral.

Peak Warming Man said:

Donald Trump is going to the funeral.

And said that he’s looking forward to it.

Arsehole.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Donald Trump is going to the funeral.

And said that he’s looking forward to it.

Arsehole.

Peak Warming Man said:

Donald Trump is going to the funeral.

Be good if he was the guest of honour.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Donald Trump is going to the funeral.

And said that he’s looking forward to it.

Arsehole.

Both Melania and Ivanka have been a bit absent lately. Cue the conspiracy theories.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Donald Trump is going to the funeral.

Be good if he was the guest of honour.

:)

Absolutely!

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

And said that he’s looking forward to it.

Arsehole.

Both Melania and Ivanka have been a bit absent lately. Cue the conspiracy theories.

Ha!

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

And said that he’s looking forward to it.

Arsehole.

Both Melania and Ivanka have been a bit absent lately. Cue the conspiracy theories.

Ivanka withdrew from the political arena fairly early IIRC, once she saw the kookiness, she washed her hands of it pretty much.

Melania is away slaughtering seal pups…

Ivanka and Jared got hundreds of millions of dollars for their investment fund, Affinity Partners, from Gulf countries in exchange for access to the President.

After that, they didn’t need him any more and were glad not to be tied to his stupidity and vileness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/jared-and-ivanka-made-up-to-640-million-in-the-white-house/

dv said:

Ivanka and Jared got hundreds of millions of dollars for their investment fund, Affinity Partners, from Gulf countries in exchange for access to the President.

After that, they didn’t need him any more and were glad not to be tied to his stupidity and vileness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/jared-and-ivanka-made-up-to-640-million-in-the-white-house/

Hoo boy. I did not know that.

“The promise was that when the glass was full, it would overflow, benefiting the poor. What happens instead is that when the glass is full, it magically gets bigger, but nothing ever comes out for the poor.”
- Pope Francis

dv said:

“The promise was that when the glass was full, it would overflow, benefiting the poor. What happens instead is that when the glass is full, it magically gets bigger, but nothing ever comes out for the poor.”
- Pope Francis

It never actually trickles down.

For world domination Trump needs a US pope.

top five richest people in the world:

Elon Musk: $384 billion
Jeff Bezos: $244 billion
Mark Zuckerberg: $219 billion
Larry Elson: $197 billion
Bernard Arnault : $180 billion

= 1,224 billion dollars

number of humans 8.2 billion.

Arts said:

top five richest people in the world:

Elon Musk: $384 billion
Jeff Bezos: $244 billion
Mark Zuckerberg: $219 billion
Larry Elson: $197 billion
Bernard Arnault : $180 billion

= 1,224 billion dollars

number of humans 8.2 billion.

They could afford to give us a couple of bucks each.

Thanks, AI Overview!

dv said:

Thanks, AI Overview!

Obviously not taught by an ENGLISH teacher.

dv said:

Thanks, AI Overview!

Whatever did we do without AI?

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Thanks, AI Overview!

Whatever did we do without AI?

Do our own reasearch. AI mixes plagarism with terrible grammar.

dv said:

Thanks, AI Overview!

Yesterday Google AI gave me a totally inaccurate list of recent Popes.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Thanks, AI Overview!

Whatever did we do without AI?

Do our own reasearch. AI mixes plagarism with terrible grammar.

and I make typos.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Thanks, AI Overview!

Whatever did we do without AI?

Do our own reasearch. AI mixes plagarism with terrible grammar.

I’m not sure what else AI is if not plagiarism… it literally is the combing of the available information. and it’s not bad to use, but you should understand the pitfalls and use it responsibly… otherwise it’s a gateway drug to laziness.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Thanks, AI Overview!

Yesterday Google AI gave me a totally inaccurate list of recent Popes.

Best idea is to not teach it anything useful. Because it is dangerous in the hands of some of the people out there.

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Whatever did we do without AI?

Do our own reasearch. AI mixes plagarism with terrible grammar.

I’m not sure what else AI is if not plagiarism… it literally is the combing of the available information. and it’s not bad to use, but you should understand the pitfalls and use it responsibly… otherwise it’s a gateway drug to laziness.

Hmm.. Yes, that was put quite aptly.

dv said:

Thanks, AI Overview!

What did we ever do without it.

I downloaded the film Conclave so this seems like a good time to watch it.

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Do our own reasearch. AI mixes plagarism with terrible grammar.

I’m not sure what else AI is if not plagiarism… it literally is the combing of the available information. and it’s not bad to use, but you should understand the pitfalls and use it responsibly… otherwise it’s a gateway drug to laziness.

Hmm.. Yes, that was put quite aptly.

And they reckon marijuana is a gateway drug
AI will turn us all in to floaty fat people who can’t form sentences

Divine Angel said:

I downloaded the film Conclave so this seems like a good time to watch it.

I was thinking of watching The Pope Must Die (which the Americans renamed The Pope Must Diet!) again. It seems appropriate.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

I’m not sure what else AI is if not plagiarism… it literally is the combing of the available information. and it’s not bad to use, but you should understand the pitfalls and use it responsibly… otherwise it’s a gateway drug to laziness.

Hmm.. Yes, that was put quite aptly.

And they reckon marijuana is a gateway drug
AI will turn us all in to floaty fat people who can’t form sentences

It is where it leads …

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Thanks, AI Overview!

Whatever did we do without AI?

Do our own reasearch. AI mixes plagarism with terrible grammar.

I see a problem with arithmetic, but none with grammar. What’s the problem with the grammar?

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Whatever did we do without AI?

Do our own reasearch. AI mixes plagarism with terrible grammar.

I see a problem with arithmetic, but none with grammar. What’s the problem with the grammar?

28 cardinals of whom 135 are allowed to vote.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Do our own reasearch. AI mixes plagarism with terrible grammar.

I see a problem with arithmetic, but none with grammar. What’s the problem with the grammar?

28 cardinals of whom 135 are allowed to vote.

As MV said, perfectly correct, grammatically.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Do our own reasearch. AI mixes plagarism with terrible grammar.

I see a problem with arithmetic, but none with grammar. What’s the problem with the grammar?

28 cardinals of whom 135 are allowed to vote.

That is one part of the arithmetic problem. (28, 235, 117.)

What’s wrong with the grammar?

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I see a problem with arithmetic, but none with grammar. What’s the problem with the grammar?

28 cardinals of whom 135 are allowed to vote.

As MV said, perfectly correct, grammatically.

It probably should have read; 28 cardiinals of 135 whom are allowed to vote. The other 107 are too old to vote.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

28 cardinals of whom 135 are allowed to vote.

As MV said, perfectly correct, grammatically.

It probably should have read; 28 cardiinals of 135 whom are allowed to vote. The other 107 are too old to vote.

or, of 135, 28 are allowed to vot..

I imagine besides people becoming lazy using AI

Is what information is retained by the website hosting the AI.

One of our report writers pastes his notes into an AI and it writes his reports.
The information isn’t public knowledge and whilst I doubt it retains them it could easily do so.

Cymek said:

I imagine besides people becoming lazy using AI

Is what information is retained by the website hosting the AI.

One of our report writers pastes his notes into an AI and it writes his reports.
The information isn’t public knowledge and whilst I doubt it retains them it could easily do so.

ChatGPT and Copilot definitely store your conversations, I don’t know about the others.

Mr Mutant uses Copilot to analyse information. He feeds in the data and it will spit out the analysis within minutes rather than several hours doing it manually. Sometimes he uses it to write performance evaluations, shh.

Back when Mr Mutant was interviewing new prospects, one applicant solved the problem using AI, but when the answer was wrong, the applicant couldn’t see where AI had gone wrong even though it was glaringly obvious to Mr Mutant.

Cymek said:

information isn’t public knowledge and whilst I doubt it retains them

LOL our sweet summer’s child

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

28 cardinals of whom 135 are allowed to vote.

As MV said, perfectly correct, grammatically.

It probably should have read; 28 cardiinals of 135 whom are allowed to vote. The other 107 are too old to vote.

no… AI got it correct

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

As MV said, perfectly correct, grammatically.

It probably should have read; 28 cardiinals of 135 whom are allowed to vote. The other 107 are too old to vote.

no… AI got it correct

So negative 107 are not allowed to vote

dv said:

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

It probably should have read; 28 cardiinals of 135 whom are allowed to vote. The other 107 are too old to vote.

no… AI got it correct

So negative 107 are not allowed to vote

fkn Republican voter suppression

kii said:

LOLOLOLOL

Brilliant!

:)

kii said:

this

Michael V said:

kii said:

LOLOLOLOL

Brilliant!

:)

^

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

this

+1

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

this

Liz Truss has knuckle tattoos proclaiming she killed the Queen. Not many people know that.

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

this

Liz Truss has knuckle tattoos proclaiming she killed the Queen. Not many people know that.

She finally succeeded.

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

this

+1

👍

Are popes decanted from a vat do you think.

Like the Empire from Foundation, except one instead of having three

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

this

Liz Truss has knuckle tattoos proclaiming she killed the Queen. Not many people know that.

:)))

Tau.Neutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Gambling odds on the successor

4.00 Luis Antonio Tagle (Philippines), 67
5.00 Pietro Parolin (Italy), 70
6.00 Peter Turkson (Ghana), 76
7.00 Peter Erdő (Hungary), 72
9.00 Angelo Scola (Italy), 82

I want to know Sportsbet odds.

It’s based on hospital visits?

Or worst progressive diagnosis.

Three observations about the Vatican

1 Over the last two thousand years the Vatican has segregated into two main gender groups females and males nuns and monks, then they attack the gay community, while failing to see themselves.

2 Over the last two thousand years they have been preaching something that can never be proven and that is deception.

3 Over the last two thousand years and 250 popes later, this last one has been one of the best.

Francis championed Pell. Pell wasn’t a huge fan of Francis over various stances, but ultimately the Pope has to go with the Catholic Church’s interpretation of the Bible.

What I do like about Francis is that despite all the riches afforded to the Pope, Francis chose not to partake in many of them. From refusing the ermine ceremonial coat to his scaled-back funeral, Francis took his namesake’s attitude to flaunting wealth seriously.

88 eh

SCIENCE said:

88 eh

Plus months, days, hours and seconds.

SCIENCE said:

88 eh

Ha Ha

Tau.Neutrino said:

Three observations about the Vatican

1 Over the last two thousand years the Vatican has segregated into two main gender groups females and males nuns and monks, then they attack the gay community, while failing to see themselves.

2 Over the last two thousand years they have been preaching something that can never be proven and that is deception.

3 Over the last two thousand years and 250 popes later, this last one has been one of the best.

you should read about the Donation of Constantine… it’ll blow your mind.

Divine Angel said:

Francis championed Pell. Pell wasn’t a huge fan of Francis over various stances, but ultimately the Pope has to go with the Catholic Church’s interpretation of the Bible.

What I do like about Francis is that despite all the riches afforded to the Pope, Francis chose not to partake in many of them. From refusing the ermine ceremonial coat to his scaled-back funeral, Francis took his namesake’s attitude to flaunting wealth seriously.

I’m not entirely sure he championed Pell. I think he removed Pell to somewhere he could not do any further harm.

Hopefully the new pope does better with the Ferrari F1 team.

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Francis championed Pell. Pell wasn’t a huge fan of Francis over various stances, but ultimately the Pope has to go with the Catholic Church’s interpretation of the Bible.

What I do like about Francis is that despite all the riches afforded to the Pope, Francis chose not to partake in many of them. From refusing the ermine ceremonial coat to his scaled-back funeral, Francis took his namesake’s attitude to flaunting wealth seriously.

I’m not entirely sure he championed Pell. I think he removed Pell to somewhere he could not do any further harm.

It was much more a matter of trying to move Pell out of harm’s way (i.e., harm to Pell and harm to the Church).

Not quite sure why you idolise this Pope. He tweaked the rhetoric a little but none of the fundamental teachings.

The Catholic conservatives hated him but they tend to hate all the Popes. You’d probably have to go back to the Middle Ages to find one monstrous enough to satisfy them.

Remember Cardinal Sin of the Philippines?
I feel like he could never have become Pope because no one would want to wreck that joke.

Like Major Major Major Major in Catch 22.

Spiny Norman said:

Hopefully the new pope does better with the Ferrari F1 team.

They omitted a pope.

https://www.thechatner.com/p/is-he-popeable-my-top-ten-pope-picks

This is very silly, but it did make me wonder …

Who was the last beardy pope?

Going by the pictures in Wikipedia, Innocent X, who poped from 1644 to 1655, had a pretty good beard.
After him there were a few with a moustache paired with a narrow strip of chinbeard, not sure what you’d even call it, up until 1700.

Spiny Norman said:

Hopefully the new pope does better with the Ferrari F1 team.

I wonder if the minimal trend will continue?

Or will they switch back to bling?

Take me down to the vatican city,

Where the popes now gone

And the pious have pity.

Kingy said:

Take me down to the vatican city,

Where the popes now gone

And the pious have pity.

They always find another one: not so keen on Italians though.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Francis championed Pell. Pell wasn’t a huge fan of Francis over various stances, but ultimately the Pope has to go with the Catholic Church’s interpretation of the Bible.

What I do like about Francis is that despite all the riches afforded to the Pope, Francis chose not to partake in many of them. From refusing the ermine ceremonial coat to his scaled-back funeral, Francis took his namesake’s attitude to flaunting wealth seriously.

I’m not entirely sure he championed Pell. I think he removed Pell to somewhere he could not do any further harm.

It was much more a matter of trying to move Pell out of harm’s way (i.e., harm to Pell and harm to the Church).

Not quite sure why you idolise this Pope. He tweaked the rhetoric a little but none of the fundamental teachings.

The Catholic conservatives hated him but they tend to hate all the Popes. You’d probably have to go back to the Middle Ages to find one monstrous enough to satisfy them.

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Three observations about the Vatican

1 Over the last two thousand years the Vatican has segregated into two main gender groups females and males nuns and monks, then they attack the gay community, while failing to see themselves.

2 Over the last two thousand years they have been preaching something that can never be proven and that is deception.

3 Over the last two thousand years and 250 popes later, this last one has been one of the best.

It will take them another two thousand years to address points 1 and 2.

“ Francis, 88, died unexpectedly on Monday after suffering a stroke and cardiac arrest, the Vatican said.”

Hmm,’unexpected’ isn’t the word I would have chosen. Fair, he didn’t die from lung issues as expected, but surely they knew his time was near.

Also, does anyone here know why the guard dude is dressed like a court jester?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-22/pope-funeral-dates-images-of-popes-body-released-by-vatican/105203894

Divine Angel said:

“ Francis, 88, died unexpectedly on Monday after suffering a stroke and cardiac arrest, the Vatican said.”

Hmm,’unexpected’ isn’t the word I would have chosen. Fair, he didn’t die from lung issues as expected, but surely they knew his time was near.

Also, does anyone here know why the guard dude is dressed like a court jester?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-22/pope-funeral-dates-images-of-popes-body-released-by-vatican/105203894

Traditional Swiss Guard’s uniform.

Divine Angel said:

“ Francis, 88, died unexpectedly on Monday after suffering a stroke and cardiac arrest, the Vatican said.”

Hmm,’unexpected’ isn’t the word I would have chosen. Fair, he didn’t die from lung issues as expected, but surely they knew his time was near.

Also, does anyone here know why the guard dude is dressed like a court jester?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-22/pope-funeral-dates-images-of-popes-body-released-by-vatican/105203894

Vatican Guard uniform.

kii said:

Divine Angel said:

“ Francis, 88, died unexpectedly on Monday after suffering a stroke and cardiac arrest, the Vatican said.”

Hmm,’unexpected’ isn’t the word I would have chosen. Fair, he didn’t die from lung issues as expected, but surely they knew his time was near.

Also, does anyone here know why the guard dude is dressed like a court jester?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-22/pope-funeral-dates-images-of-popes-body-released-by-vatican/105203894

Traditional Swiss Guard’s uniform.

Allegedly designed by Michaelangelo.

I haven’t watched Conclave yet bc Mr Mutant wants to watch it with me. But I hear the rituals portrayed in the film are pretty much exactly what happens IRL.

The top comment is a rundown of the rituals involved. I’m fascinated by rituals, watching the Queen’s funeral was interesting because of the ceremony that goes with it. Everything from telling the bees their owner had died to breaking of the sceptre.

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/GTm3F0xr61

I’m sure it’s a coincidence that viewership of the film Conclave has increased this week.

https://variety.com/2025/film/news/conclave-streaming-views-pope-francis-death-1236375240/

captain_spalding said:

kii said:

Divine Angel said:

“ Francis, 88, died unexpectedly on Monday after suffering a stroke and cardiac arrest, the Vatican said.”

Hmm,’unexpected’ isn’t the word I would have chosen. Fair, he didn’t die from lung issues as expected, but surely they knew his time was near.

Also, does anyone here know why the guard dude is dressed like a court jester?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-22/pope-funeral-dates-images-of-popes-body-released-by-vatican/105203894

Traditional Swiss Guard’s uniform.

Allegedly designed by Michaelangelo.

Fine, I’ll look it up myself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Guard#Uniforms

The Swiss Guard is considered an elite military unit and highly selective in its recruitment: candidates must be unmarried Swiss Catholic males between 19 and 30 years of age, and at least 5 feet 8.5 inches (1.74 meters), who have completed basic training with the Swiss Armed Forces and hold a professional diploma or high school degree. As of 2024 there were 135 members.

The tailors of the Swiss Guard work inside the Vatican barracks. There the uniform for each guardsman is tailor-made individually. The total set of Renaissance style clothing weighs 8 pounds (3.6 kg), and may be the heaviest and most complicated uniform in use by any standing army today. A single uniform requires 154 pieces and takes nearly 32 hours and 3 fittings to complete. They are made of high-quality wool exclusively sourced from the town of Biella.

Guards are forbidden from selling their suit and while they can keep the uniform after five years of service, they are contractually obliged to either be buried with the uniform or pass it on to a specific Swiss Guard association.

Divine Angel said:

Fine, I’ll look it up myself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Guard#Uniforms

The Swiss Guard is considered an elite military unit and highly selective in its recruitment: candidates must be unmarried Swiss Catholic males between 19 and 30 years of age, and at least 5 feet 8.5 inches (1.74 meters), who have completed basic training with the Swiss Armed Forces and hold a professional diploma or high school degree. As of 2024 there were 135 members.

The tailors of the Swiss Guard work inside the Vatican barracks. There the uniform for each guardsman is tailor-made individually. The total set of Renaissance style clothing weighs 8 pounds (3.6 kg), and may be the heaviest and most complicated uniform in use by any standing army today. A single uniform requires 154 pieces and takes nearly 32 hours and 3 fittings to complete. They are made of high-quality wool exclusively sourced from the town of Biella.

Guards are forbidden from selling their suit and while they can keep the uniform after five years of service, they are contractually obliged to either be buried with the uniform or pass it on to a specific Swiss Guard association.

Ta.

Divine Angel said:

I haven’t watched Conclave yet bc Mr Mutant wants to watch it with me. But I hear the rituals portrayed in the film are pretty much exactly what happens IRL.

The top comment is a rundown of the rituals involved. I’m fascinated by rituals, watching the Queen’s funeral was interesting because of the ceremony that goes with it. Everything from telling the bees their owner had died to breaking of the sceptre.

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/GTm3F0xr61

The husband of one of my high school friends died just before mr kii. They kept bees. She told the bees that he’d died. That made me cry.

I heard about this on the radio in the car this afternoon.

>>GAZA CITY — For most people around the world, Pope Francis was a religious leader seen on video or read about in the news. For the congregation of a tiny Roman Catholic church in Gaza, he was the voice on the other end of the phone every night, calling to check on them in wartime.

“He used to call us at 7 p.m. every night. No matter how busy he was, no matter where he was, he always called,” George Anton, spokesperson for the Church of the Holy Family in Gaza, told NPR on Monday, the day of the pope’s death at age 88.<<

NPR article with more detail

buffy said:

I heard about this on the radio in the car this afternoon.

>>GAZA CITY — For most people around the world, Pope Francis was a religious leader seen on video or read about in the news. For the congregation of a tiny Roman Catholic church in Gaza, he was the voice on the other end of the phone every night, calling to check on them in wartime.

“He used to call us at 7 p.m. every night. No matter how busy he was, no matter where he was, he always called,” George Anton, spokesperson for the Church of the Holy Family in Gaza, told NPR on Monday, the day of the pope’s death at age 88.<<

NPR article with more detail

Huh!

:)

Speculation as to who will replace the much loved Pope Francis ❤️ has started. It’s been noted another reason there’ll never be a female Pope is the Vatican only has male toilets and men who wear dresses don’t want women invading their safe spaces.

-Omid Dajihili (sp?), Facebook

Morning pilgrims, it’s a wet old day in the Pearl of the South Specific.

Nothing much planned for today.
Over.

Peak Warming Man said:

Morning pilgrims, it’s a wet old day in the Pearl of the South Specific.

Nothing much planned for today.
Over.

Not a great start.

Peak Warming Man said:

Morning pilgrims, it’s a wet old day in the Pearl of the South Specific.

Nothing much planned for today.
Over.

Are you invited to the conclave as an outside observer?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Morning pilgrims, it’s a wet old day in the Pearl of the South Specific.

Nothing much planned for today.
Over.

Are you invited to the conclave as an outside observer?

No.
It’s been more than 3 days so he’s definitely dead this time.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Morning pilgrims, it’s a wet old day in the Pearl of the South Specific.

Nothing much planned for today.
Over.

Are you invited to the conclave as an outside observer?

No.
It’s been more than 3 days so he’s definitely dead this time.

Ha!

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Are you invited to the conclave as an outside observer?

No.
It’s been more than 3 days so he’s definitely dead this time.

Ha!

Next time live on Venus

Divine Angel said:

Speculation as to who will replace the much loved Pope Francis ❤️ has started. It’s been noted another reason there’ll never be a female Pope is the Vatican only has male toilets and men who wear dresses don’t want women invading their safe spaces.

-Omid Dajihili (sp?), Facebook

well they should have a Nane then

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

No.
It’s been more than 3 days so he’s definitely dead this time.

Ha!

Next time live on Venus

Not sure about the 3 day thing.
People still view Lenin’s mausoleum to make sure he’s still dead.

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Ha!

Next time live on Venus

Not sure about the 3 day thing.
People still view Lenin’s mausoleum to make sure he’s still dead.

They’ve been replacing his parts for years?

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Next time live on Venus

Not sure about the 3 day thing.
People still view Lenin’s mausoleum to make sure he’s still dead.

They’ve been replacing his parts for years?

Maybe they just visit the Lubyanka & collect a recently dead substitute.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Next time live on Venus

Not sure about the 3 day thing.
People still view Lenin’s mausoleum to make sure he’s still dead.

They’ve been replacing his parts for years?

so Lenin is a ship

Divine Angel said:

Oh.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh.

It’s not on the general ABC TV, it’s on 24. So we still get Vera tonight.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh.

It’s not on the general ABC TV, it’s on 24. So we still get Vera tonight.

Good.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh.

It’s not on the general ABC TV, it’s on 24. So we still get Vera tonight.

Phew.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Oh.

It’s not on the general ABC TV, it’s on 24. So we still get Vera tonight.

Phew.

Anno Domini, Halleluiah, and Santa Maria!!

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

It’s not on the general ABC TV, it’s on 24. So we still get Vera tonight.

Phew.

Anno Domini, Halleluiah, and Santa Maria!!

Were the previous Pope’s funerals telecast live in Australia? I can’t recall.

party_pants said:

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

Phew.

Anno Domini, Halleluiah, and Santa Maria!!

Were the previous Pope’s funerals telecast live in Australia? I can’t recall.

JPII certainly was.

I;m guessing it will be a catholic funeral…

party_pants said:

I;m guessing it will be a catholic funeral…

I dunno, they might put him in a canoe, set it on fire and push him out into the lake.

Kingy said:

party_pants said:

I;m guessing it will be a catholic funeral…

I dunno, they might put him in a canoe, set it on fire and push him out into the lake.

that would certainly boost the ratings.

Kingy said:

party_pants said:

I;m guessing it will be a catholic funeral…

I dunno, they might put him in a canoe, set it on fire and push him out into the lake.

He did want all faiths to come together and a funeral pyre can draw crowds.

roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

party_pants said:

I;m guessing it will be a catholic funeral…

I dunno, they might put him in a canoe, set it on fire and push him out into the lake.

He did want all faiths to come together and a funeral pyre can draw crowds.

The Catholics got too much bad publicity from burning people in the past so I don’t think they’ll do it again. The black smoke/white smoke thing is bad enough,

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

I dunno, they might put him in a canoe, set it on fire and push him out into the lake.

He did want all faiths to come together and a funeral pyre can draw crowds.

The Catholics got too much bad publicity from burning people in the past so I don’t think they’ll do it again. The black smoke/white smoke thing is bad enough,

Nobody wants the Spanish Inquisition.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

I dunno, they might put him in a canoe, set it on fire and push him out into the lake.

He did want all faiths to come together and a funeral pyre can draw crowds.

The Catholics got too much bad publicity from burning people in the past so I don’t think they’ll do it again.

Well they only burnt the witches.

roughbarked said:

He did want all faiths to come together and a funeral pyre can draw crowds.

party_pants said:

I;m guessing it will be a catholic funeral…

which means it will be very long in duration.

From the ABC News live blog:

“ Trump has avoided talking about any friction with the 88-year-old pontiff this week.

Trump, who met the pope twice, said he was “a good man” who loved the world.

“I thought he was a fantastic kind of guy,” Trump said.”

Divine Angel said:

From the ABC News live blog:

“ Trump has avoided talking about any friction with the 88-year-old pontiff this week.

Trump, who met the pope twice, said he was “a good man” who loved the world.

“I thought he was a fantastic kind of guy,” Trump said.”

After two thousand years and 250 tries he should be.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Divine Angel said:

From the ABC News live blog:

“ Trump has avoided talking about any friction with the 88-year-old pontiff this week.

Trump, who met the pope twice, said he was “a good man” who loved the world.

“I thought he was a fantastic kind of guy,” Trump said.”

After two thousand years and 250 tries he should be.

A Fantastic kind of guy.

The Vatican has released the program for the funeral. It’s 45 pages long.

https://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/libretti/2025/20250426-libretto-esequie-sepoltura.pdf

Divine Angel said:

The Vatican has released the program for the funeral. It’s 45 pages long.

https://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/libretti/2025/20250426-libretto-esequie-sepoltura.pdf

Charles has one a few hundred pages long and he even isn’t dead yet.

Spiffing funeral.
They have invited the homeless, the poor, gays, trannies and prostitutes to the service.
Trump should be right at home with the latter.

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiffing funeral.
They have invited the homeless, the poor, gays, trannies and prostitutes to the service.
Trump should be right at home with the latter.

Got a good day and nice weather for it, hey hat but.

I was concerned the elderly cardinals might have a turn out there in the sun but my weather app tells me it’s only 14 degrees there at the moment, with a storm expected later in the day.

Deleted scene from Godfather 3 unearthed

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiffing funeral.
They have invited the homeless, the poor, gays, trannies and prostitutes to the service.
Trump should be right at home with the latter.

Got a good day and nice weather for it, hey hat but.

If your computer has run out of doubleus you can use a v, as in Vagner.

Divine Angel said:

I was concerned the elderly cardinals might have a turn out there in the sun but my weather app tells me it’s only 14 degrees there at the moment, with a storm expected later in the day.

I’m half expecting Trump to make it all about him by faking a heart attack and collapsing dramatically.

Ian said:

Deleted scene from Godfather 3 unearthed

Wear black? Nooo. Not DJT.

Peak Warming Man said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiffing funeral.
They have invited the homeless, the poor, gays, trannies and prostitutes to the service.
Trump should be right at home with the latter.

Got a good day and nice weather for it, hey hat but.

If your computer has run out of doubleus you can use a v, as in Vagner.

vv good…

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

I was concerned the elderly cardinals might have a turn out there in the sun but my weather app tells me it’s only 14 degrees there at the moment, with a storm expected later in the day.

I’m half expecting Trump to make it all about him by faking a heart attack and collapsing dramatically.

Why can’t we have the real thing?

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

I was concerned the elderly cardinals might have a turn out there in the sun but my weather app tells me it’s only 14 degrees there at the moment, with a storm expected later in the day.

I’m half expecting Trump to make it all about him by faking a heart attack and collapsing dramatically.

Why can’t we have the real thing?

+1

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

I was concerned the elderly cardinals might have a turn out there in the sun but my weather app tells me it’s only 14 degrees there at the moment, with a storm expected later in the day.

I’m half expecting Trump to make it all about him by faking a heart attack and collapsing dramatically.

Why can’t we have the real thing?

God’s in the middle of accepting the Pope’s soul, he’s busy right now.

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiffing funeral.
They have invited the homeless, the poor, gays, trannies and prostitutes to the service.
Trump should be right at home with the latter.

It occurs to me that it will be a very long, complicated service etc. They may have to make sure Trump is medicated to get him to sit still long enough. Three year olds don’t have a long attention span.

The best ritual is the one where the meat sack is fed to the fishes and everyone just goes home when the wind starts blowing sand in your eyes.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

I’m half expecting Trump to make it all about him by faking a heart attack and collapsing dramatically.

Why can’t we have the real thing?

+1

No. He should not upstage the most humane Pope in a long time.

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiffing funeral.
They have invited the homeless, the poor, gays, trannies and prostitutes to the service.
Trump should be right at home with the latter.

It occurs to me that it will be a very long, complicated service etc. They may have to make sure Trump is medicated to get him to sit still long enough. Three year olds don’t have a long attention span.

He’s probably eyeing off The Vatican as the 53rd state, behind Canada and Greenland. It’s prime real estate ya know, hey what but. And just think of all that gold in there.💰💰💰💰💰💰

Woodie said:

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiffing funeral.
They have invited the homeless, the poor, gays, trannies and prostitutes to the service.
Trump should be right at home with the latter.

It occurs to me that it will be a very long, complicated service etc. They may have to make sure Trump is medicated to get him to sit still long enough. Three year olds don’t have a long attention span.

He’s probably eyeing off The Vatican as the 53rd state, behind Canada and Greenland. It’s prime real estate ya know, hey what but. And just think of all that gold in there.💰💰💰💰💰💰

Didn’t the Mafia flog all the gold?

Is it ok if I substitute chocolate instead of the cracker to symbolise Jesus’ body in Communion?

Divine Angel said:

Is it ok if I substitute chocolate instead of the cracker to symbolise Jesus’ body in Communion?

And Milo for the wine.

Bury him already.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bury him already.

You heard the commentator, we’ve still got the Eastern diocese to do their thing, then the 5,5km meander to St Mary’s.

What a boring song. It goes on and on and on more than Celine Dion did.

Divine Angel said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bury him already.

You heard the commentator, we’ve still got the Eastern diocese to do their thing, then the 5,5km meander to St Mary’s.

I might just duck out for a pee and come back later.

Woodie said:

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiffing funeral.
They have invited the homeless, the poor, gays, trannies and prostitutes to the service.
Trump should be right at home with the latter.

It occurs to me that it will be a very long, complicated service etc. They may have to make sure Trump is medicated to get him to sit still long enough. Three year olds don’t have a long attention span.

He’s probably eyeing off The Vatican as the 53rd state, behind Canada and Greenland. It’s prime real estate ya know, hey what but. And just think of all that gold in there.💰💰💰💰💰💰

If he gets his man in Rome, he could dismantle the Sistine Chapel and moved it to Las Vegas, it would be a big money spinner.

Hey how’s West Taiwan’s selection of the Dalai Lama thing going¿

Divine Angel said:

Is it ok if I substitute chocolate instead of the cracker to symbolise Jesus’ body in Communion?

The Magi should have given Jesus chocolate instead of the other stuff.

If Jesus had spread chocolate he wouldn’t have been murdered.

I’m fairly sure of that.

party_pants said:

I might just duck out for a pee and come back later.

Just make sure you don’t mistake the baptismal font for the urinal, hey what but.

Woodie said:

What a boring song. It goes on and on and on more than Celine Dion did.

We’re up to page 70 (of 87)

https://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/libretti/2025/20250426-libretto-esequie-sepoltura.pdf

Peak Warming Man said:

Woodie said:

buffy said:

It occurs to me that it will be a very long, complicated service etc. They may have to make sure Trump is medicated to get him to sit still long enough. Three year olds don’t have a long attention span.

He’s probably eyeing off The Vatican as the 53rd state, behind Canada and Greenland. It’s prime real estate ya know, hey what but. And just think of all that gold in there.💰💰💰💰💰💰

If he gets his man in Rome, he could dismantle the Sistine Chapel and moved it to Las Vegas, it would be a big money spinner.

DJT proberlee thinks all roads lead to Rome anyway. So why not? The Colosseum is already in Las Vegas so why not the Sixteenth chapel?

has he got a boat?

JudgeMental said:

has he got a boat?

He’s got nothing, the bastard.

They’d better get this thing over and done with pretty soon.

The footy’s on in a few minutes.

Woodie said:

They’d better get this thing over and done with pretty soon.

The footy’s on in a few minutes.

He’s taking longer to bury than the Queen did.

Peak Warming Man said:

Woodie said:

They’d better get this thing over and done with pretty soon.

The footy’s on in a few minutes.

He’s taking longer to bury than the Queen did.

Her funeral was a lot more interesting.

Annnnnd they’re off down the road to the final resting place

Divine Angel said:

Annnnnd they’re off down the road to the final resting place

there’s only one destination in the final taxi.

Mini Me: what’s the coffin made of?
Me: elm, I think. So traditionally, popes are buried in three coffins…
Mini Me: so they put the head in one, the body in another, and the legs in the third?

Divine Angel said:

Mini Me: what’s the coffin made of?
Me: elm, I think. So traditionally, popes are buried in three coffins…
Mini Me: so they put the head in one, the body in another, and the legs in the third?

Did you tell here three coffins, one inside the other, so the smell doesn’t leak out?

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Mini Me: what’s the coffin made of?
Me: elm, I think. So traditionally, popes are buried in three coffins…
Mini Me: so they put the head in one, the body in another, and the legs in the third?

Did you tell here three coffins, one inside the other, so the smell doesn’t leak out?

It’s not just the smell that leaks out.

Good thing Trump didn’t send Vance to be the US delegate, who knows how many cardinals would have died in his reign of death.

Divine Angel said:

Good thing Trump didn’t send Vance to be the US delegate, who knows how many cardinals would have died in his reign of death.

You could give all of them mobile phones…they all pick up the phone at once…

It’s effective.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Divine Angel said:

Good thing Trump didn’t send Vance to be the US delegate, who knows how many cardinals would have died in his reign of death.

You could give all of them mobile phones…they all pick up the phone at once…

It’s effective.

113 mobiles phones…

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Divine Angel said:

Good thing Trump didn’t send Vance to be the US delegate, who knows how many cardinals would have died in his reign of death.

You could give all of them mobile phones…they all pick up the phone at once…

It’s effective.

113 mobiles phones…

Make that 133 mobile phones.

We watched The Conclave today…

Divine Angel said:

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Mini Me: what’s the coffin made of?
Me: elm, I think. So traditionally, popes are buried in three coffins…
Mini Me: so they put the head in one, the body in another, and the legs in the third?

Did you tell here three coffins, one inside the other, so the smell doesn’t leak out?

It’s not just the smell that leaks out.

But he didn’t have three. I think he stopped at the pine one.

Divine Angel said:

Annnnnd they’re off down the road to the final resting place

Did Trump manage to try an upstage manouvre?

(I’ve been watching Vera instead)

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

party_pants said:

Did you tell here three coffins, one inside the other, so the smell doesn’t leak out?

It’s not just the smell that leaks out.

But he didn’t have three. I think he stopped at the pine one.

3 pine coffins?

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

Annnnnd they’re off down the road to the final resting place

Did Trump manage to try an upstage manouvre?

(I’ve been watching Vera instead)

I noticed Volodymyr Zelenskyy was following Trump.

diddly-squat said:

We watched The Conclave today…

Watched it last night. Really liked it.

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

It’s not just the smell that leaks out.

But he didn’t have three. I think he stopped at the pine one.

3 pine coffins?

One’s usually elm, one’s lead, and I can’t remember the last one. They fit together like nesting dolls, with special things placed in each coffin. But Francis only had the wooden one, and was dressed in plain clothing, not fancy rags like many of his predecessors.

Divine Angel said:

Is it ok if I substitute chocolate instead of the cracker to symbolise Jesus’ body in Communion?

There is nothing written in the Biobull about chocolate, so I presume it’s OK.

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiffing funeral.
They have invited the homeless, the poor, gays, trannies and prostitutes to the service.
Trump should be right at home with the latter.

It occurs to me that it will be a very long, complicated service etc. They may have to make sure Trump is medicated to get him to sit still long enough. Three year olds don’t have a long attention span.

Divine Angel said:

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiffing funeral.
They have invited the homeless, the poor, gays, trannies and prostitutes to the service.
Trump should be right at home with the latter.

It occurs to me that it will be a very long, complicated service etc. They may have to make sure Trump is medicated to get him to sit still long enough. Three year olds don’t have a long attention span.

So perhaps he was given something to stop him fidgetting.

I have a theory of how they elect a new pope.

They pontificate then hold a ballot, and the bloke with the least votes goes into the fireplace: Black smoke.

Repeat until:

Someone wins the vote and they chuck all the empty aluminium beer cans into the fire to clean the chimney for the next time.

Bogsnorkler said:

—

So the new Pope is not lactose intolerant.

“Conclave comes from a Latin word meaning “room that can be locked up” (from the Latin com-, “together,” and clavis, “key”). The English conclave formerly had the same meaning, but that use is now obsolete. Today, conclave refers not to the locked rooms but to the private meetings and secret assemblies that occur within them. The meaning of conclave has also expanded to include gatherings that are not necessarily secret or private but simply involve people with shared interests.”

Over.