buffy said:
Tim Wilson wins seat of Goldstein by 175 votes after partial recount
They should have done a full recount – to settle the result properly.
“It’s been a long process and, in the end after a recount of about 85,000 votes, representing 75 per cent of the votes cast, there were only a few votes in it,” Ms Daniel said.
Kev Bonham has crunched the numbers on how many voters follow the How To Vote cards.
Labor voters 16-20%
Coalition 25-31%
Greens 8-13%
Hardly any Legalise Cannabis voters follow the HTV cards.
E.g. in Tasmania, 4 LC voters followed the cards.
Not 4%.
4 voters.
dv said:
Kev Bonham has crunched the numbers on how many voters follow the How To Vote cards.
Labor voters 16-20%
Coalition 25-31%
Greens 8-13%Hardly any Legalise Cannabis voters follow the HTV cards.
E.g. in Tasmania, 4 LC voters followed the cards.
Not 4%.
4 voters.
Also by KB’s analysis, the 2PP in the Senate is 56.76 % – 43.24 % in ALP’s favour, somewhat better for ALP than in the House.
I would guess this is because there is a tendency for some right wing party’s voters to number few boxes, or even one box, leading to higher exhaustion rates.
dv said:
dv said:
Kev Bonham has crunched the numbers on how many voters follow the How To Vote cards.
Labor voters 16-20%
Coalition 25-31%
Greens 8-13%Hardly any Legalise Cannabis voters follow the HTV cards.
E.g. in Tasmania, 4 LC voters followed the cards.
Not 4%.
4 voters.Also by KB’s analysis, the 2PP in the Senate is 56.76 % – 43.24 % in ALP’s favour, somewhat better for ALP than in the House.
I would guess this is because there is a tendency for some right wing party’s voters to number few boxes, or even one box, leading to higher exhaustion rates.
so coalition voters are sheep
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
dv said:
Kev Bonham has crunched the numbers on how many voters follow the How To Vote cards.
Labor voters 16-20%
Coalition 25-31%
Greens 8-13%Hardly any Legalise Cannabis voters follow the HTV cards.
E.g. in Tasmania, 4 LC voters followed the cards.
Not 4%.
4 voters.Also by KB’s analysis, the 2PP in the Senate is 56.76 % – 43.24 % in ALP’s favour, somewhat better for ALP than in the House.
I would guess this is because there is a tendency for some right wing party’s voters to number few boxes, or even one box, leading to higher exhaustion rates.
so coalition voters are sheep
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
Also by KB’s analysis, the 2PP in the Senate is 56.76 % – 43.24 % in ALP’s favour, somewhat better for ALP than in the House.
I would guess this is because there is a tendency for some right wing party’s voters to number few boxes, or even one box, leading to higher exhaustion rates.
so coalition voters are sheep
They couldn’t even keep the Coalition together.
Hmm. Their name contains the word Coal.
THey now lack the litiion.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:so coalition voters are sheep
They couldn’t even keep the Coalition together.
Hmm. Their name contains the word Coal.THey now lack the litiion.
Like “Of their own lition”
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:They couldn’t even keep the Coalition together.
Hmm. Their name contains the word Coal.THey now lack the litiion.
Like “Of their own lition”
Yar.
Greens Senator Dorinda Cox has defected to Labor.
Pretty surprising. Doesn’t really change the equation much because ALP still need the Greens to pass legislation.
dv said:
Greens Senator Dorinda Cox has defected to Labor.Pretty surprising. Doesn’t really change the equation much because ALP still need the Greens to pass legislation.
Yeah, I am surprised by that too. She was elected 2022 so wasn’t up for re-election at this half-senate election in 2025. I wonder how she’ll go getting herself high up on the ALP ticket for the Senate at the next election.
What went wrong for the Greens in the Australian election?
The Greens scored far more votes than the Nationals, but far fewer seats.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2025/jun/02/what-went-wrong-for-the-greens-in-the-australian-election
party_pants said:
dv said:
Greens Senator Dorinda Cox has defected to Labor.Pretty surprising. Doesn’t really change the equation much because ALP still need the Greens to pass legislation.
Yeah, I am surprised by that too. She was elected 2022 so wasn’t up for re-election at this half-senate election in 2025. I wonder how she’ll go getting herself high up on the ALP ticket for the Senate at the next election.
There’s much scathing criticism of Labor she now has to pretend she never said.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Greens Senator Dorinda Cox has defected to Labor.Pretty surprising. Doesn’t really change the equation much because ALP still need the Greens to pass legislation.
Yeah, I am surprised by that too. She was elected 2022 so wasn’t up for re-election at this half-senate election in 2025. I wonder how she’ll go getting herself high up on the ALP ticket for the Senate at the next election.
There’s much scathing criticism of Labor she now has to pretend she never said.
I guess the number 3 spot is open since Fatima Payman left the ALP and formed her own party.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Greens Senator Dorinda Cox has defected to Labor.Pretty surprising. Doesn’t really change the equation much because ALP still need the Greens to pass legislation.
Yeah, I am surprised by that too. She was elected 2022 so wasn’t up for re-election at this half-senate election in 2025. I wonder how she’ll go getting herself high up on the ALP ticket for the Senate at the next election.
Payman’s departure of the party gives them the opportunity to at least place her 3rd. Sue Lines will be 74 years old at the next election, which is a grand old age in Australian politics, so if she decides not to contest then Cox may get 2nd drop.
CTTOI, maybe there would be a place for Payman in the Greens.
what a bunch of economic incompetents
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-03/fwc-minimum-wage-award-2025-ruling/105367696
these communists are such failures everyone knows that Corruption would have those honest Aussie battlers taking even more home at the end of each day as well as making housing more affordable and with lower inflation and much much lower interest rates and unemployment would be negative ten and defence spending would be better than all of NATO combined
I see Tasmania’s parliament is having some fun and games this morning.
buffy said:
I see Tasmania’s parliament is having some fun and games this morning.
This has been rumbling along for a while but appears to have come to a head.
The govt effectively no longer has a majority of support in the parliament but the Greens, Labor and most of the Independents are stuck on the language. Labor and most of the independents want the stadium built so they don’t want to include that as one of the reasons.
dv said:
buffy said:
I see Tasmania’s parliament is having some fun and games this morning.
This has been rumbling along for a while but appears to have come to a head.
The govt effectively no longer has a majority of support in the parliament but the Greens, Labor and most of the Independents are stuck on the language. Labor and most of the independents want the stadium built so they don’t want to include that as one of the reasons.
As Kev Bonham puts it
“After twice moving no confidence in the Government themselves the Greens would have a lot of explaining to do to their voters if they did not support this motion to bring it down, even if they didn’t particularly agree with all the text. The Government would in effect become a Greens-supported Liberal government similar to the Rundle years.
If Labor moves the motion with Greens support and the support of Johnston, Garland and Jenner then it will pass conditional on the casting vote of Labor Speaker Michelle O’Byrne. If David O’Byrne also votes in favour or even abstains then the Speaker will be saved the trouble, but I’m not that sure how lucky she will be on that. A casting vote from an Opposition Speaker to depose a Premier could be contentious in view of neutral chairing conventions to preserve the status quo (Michael Polley voting out the Gray government in 1989 could be distinguished because that government never had the confidence of that Parliament in the first place.)
In the event of the motion passing Premier Rockliff will be obliged to resign (or dismissed if he fails to do so) unless he can convincingly argue that the loss of confidence is temporary and confidence will soon be recaptured. (That proviso applies, for instance, if a no confidence motion passes only because some MPs are absent).
It is also possible that if it is clear he does not have the numbers, Rockliff will resign to avoid defeat on the floor.
In either case the Governor will seek to appoint a replacement Premier. This can be anyone in the Parliament who is willing to be appointed and who the Governor considers has the best chance of maintaining supply and confidence, ideally for some time. This early in the term, it is very unlikely the Governor would accept advice for a fresh election if anyone else was viable and willing to serve as a replacement Premier. “
proof that economics is fucking stupid
The disruption from Cyclone Alfred hit economic activity, but insurance payouts added to household incomes and repair work will add to GDP over coming quarters. (ABC News: Mackenzie Colahan)
oh sorry we merely meant that GDP belongs in the same trash basket as BMI, destroying and remaking things is good, The Economy Must Grow, by churning
Independent Nicolette Boele has won the Sydney electorate of Bradfield, after a full recount in the seat.
Michelle O’Byrne is Speaker in Tasmania’s LA. The reason there is a Labor speaker is that the Libs were not able to put forth a candidate that the assembly would support in the role.
Her brother, David O’Byrne is former ALP, now an Indie.
David O is umming and aahing about the confidence motion. If he sides with the Libs, Michelle’s will be the deciding vote. There’s been some talk that should be reluctant as Speaker to vote to remove the government, but honestly they might as well remove the bandaid. A govt that is relying on conf from an Opposition Speaker doesn’t have long to go. If it is a problem she can always resign as Speaker, let a Lib take the role, and then the floor vote is 18-16.
dv said:
Michelle O’Byrne is Speaker in Tasmania’s LA. The reason there is a Labor speaker is that the Libs were not able to put forth a candidate that the assembly would support in the role.Her brother, David O’Byrne is former ALP, now an Indie.
David O is umming and aahing about the confidence motion. If he sides with the Libs, Michelle’s will be the deciding vote. There’s been some talk that should be reluctant as Speaker to vote to remove the government, but honestly they might as well remove the bandaid. A govt that is relying on conf from an Opposition Speaker doesn’t have long to go. If it is a problem she can always resign as Speaker, let a Lib take the role, and then the floor vote is 18-16.
It’s a farce but it’s the farce the people voted for.
The Tas Liberals are down in the polls right now, about 29% compared to the 37% they got at the election, so they do not want an election right now.
The Governor may be reluctant to call a freshie as it is only a year since the last election. So probably more likely short term outcomes are that somehow Rockliff survives this and limps on for a bit struggling to get legislation through, OR he loses this conf bid and resigns and Labor leader Dean Winter as Premier and then he can be the one struggling to get legislation through…
dv said:
The Tas Liberals are down in the polls right now, about 29% compared to the 37% they got at the election, so they do not want an election right now.
The Governor may be reluctant to call a freshie as it is only a year since the last election. So probably more likely short term outcomes are that somehow Rockliff survives this and limps on for a bit struggling to get legislation through, OR he loses this conf bid and resigns and Labor leader Dean Winter as Premier and then he can be the one struggling to get legislation through…
Does the Governor have any say?
Michael V said:
dv said:The Tas Liberals are down in the polls right now, about 29% compared to the 37% they got at the election, so they do not want an election right now.
The Governor may be reluctant to call a freshie as it is only a year since the last election. So probably more likely short term outcomes are that somehow Rockliff survives this and limps on for a bit struggling to get legislation through, OR he loses this conf bid and resigns and Labor leader Dean Winter as Premier and then he can be the one struggling to get legislation through…
Does the Governor have any say?
The Governor can choose a replacement Premier to have a go at forming government, but the Opposition leader will normally get first shot.
I suppose it is conceivable that Winter is not able to stably obtain confidence and supply, some agreement could be made that an independent would be made Premier but this would be a weird thing to happen in Australian politics.
Usually the Governor acts on advice of the Premier regarding election timings but technically they don’t have to
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:The Tas Liberals are down in the polls right now, about 29% compared to the 37% they got at the election, so they do not want an election right now.
The Governor may be reluctant to call a freshie as it is only a year since the last election. So probably more likely short term outcomes are that somehow Rockliff survives this and limps on for a bit struggling to get legislation through, OR he loses this conf bid and resigns and Labor leader Dean Winter as Premier and then he can be the one struggling to get legislation through…
Does the Governor have any say?
The Governor can choose a replacement Premier to have a go at forming government, but the Opposition leader will normally get first shot.
I suppose it is conceivable that Winter is not able to stably obtain confidence and supply, some agreement could be made that an independent would be made Premier but this would be a weird thing to happen in Australian politics.
Usually the Governor acts on advice of the Premier regarding election timings but technically they don’t have to
Ta.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Michelle O’Byrne is Speaker in Tasmania’s LA. The reason there is a Labor speaker is that the Libs were not able to put forth a candidate that the assembly would support in the role.Her brother, David O’Byrne is former ALP, now an Indie.
David O is umming and aahing about the confidence motion. If he sides with the Libs, Michelle’s will be the deciding vote. There’s been some talk that should be reluctant as Speaker to vote to remove the government, but honestly they might as well remove the bandaid. A govt that is relying on conf from an Opposition Speaker doesn’t have long to go. If it is a problem she can always resign as Speaker, let a Lib take the role, and then the floor vote is 18-16.
It’s a farce but it’s the farce the people voted for.
that’s the beauty of team sports so called democracy it’s all plausible deniability
SCIENCE said:
proof that economics is fucking stupid
The disruption from Cyclone Alfred hit economic activity, but insurance payouts added to household incomes and repair work will add to GDP over coming quarters. (ABC News: Mackenzie Colahan)
oh sorry we merely meant that GDP belongs in the same trash basket as BMI, destroying and remaking things is good, The Economy Must Grow, by churning
What about the economic activity of economists prognosticating about economic activity from falling trees?
Ian said:
SCIENCE said:
proof that economics is fucking stupid
The disruption from Cyclone Alfred hit economic activity, but insurance payouts added to household incomes and repair work will add to GDP over coming quarters. (ABC News: Mackenzie Colahan)
oh sorry we merely meant that GDP belongs in the same trash basket as BMI, destroying and remaking things is good, The Economy Must Grow, by churning
What about the economic activity of economists prognosticating about economic activity from falling trees?
gotta justify that salary somehow damn
For the education of you lot:
hey sorry to be stupid but someone clever might help and explain to us how this works, isn’t there like a cost of
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-05/david-johnston-warning-defence-budget-aukus/105366670
living crisis or something, that’s what we’re told the election was fought won rigged dismissed on, so perhaps there’s a problem with productivity or immigration or allied fascism or something, we d’n‘o’, but that means we can just pour money into defence instead and if they fully expend it then GDP will be up and The Economy Must Grow will have happened right
¿
also wait where does that $368000000000 come in
SCIENCE said:
hey sorry to be stupid but someone clever might help and explain to us how this works, isn’t there like a cost of
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-05/david-johnston-warning-defence-budget-aukus/105366670
living crisis or something, that’s what we’re told the election was fought won rigged dismissed on, so perhaps there’s a problem with productivity or immigration or allied fascism or something, we d’n‘o’, but that means we can just pour money into defence instead and if they fully expend it then GDP will be up and The Economy Must Grow will have happened right
¿
also wait where does that $368000000000 come in
I think at the moment it is all talk it up.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:hey sorry to be stupid but someone clever might help and explain to us how this works, isn’t there like a cost of
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-05/david-johnston-warning-defence-budget-aukus/105366670
living crisis or something, that’s what we’re told the election was fought won rigged dismissed on, so perhaps there’s a problem with productivity or immigration or allied fascism or something, we d’n‘o’, but that means we can just pour money into defence instead and if they fully expend it then GDP will be up and The Economy Must Grow will have happened right
¿
also wait where does that $368000000000 come in
I think at the moment it is all talk it up.
War on a large scale is a strange concept.
We have all these shiny toys, untested in real combat.
They could be destroyed without ever being used.
The number owned compared to the number needed seems to be vastly different.
One does wonder if anyone could start WW3 (sans nukes) and have enough people and equipment to win.
You’d assume it would required thousands of every type of machine and countless ammunition.
Latest reports from Tasgolia
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10:00 Rockliff has said he if the motion succeeds he will go to the Lieutenant-Governor and request an election. As noted if he has lost the confidence of the House his advice can be freely disregarded unless no willing and viable alternative exists (which may yet be the case).
10:10 Recent Liberal speakers have referred to the result of the election and argued that Tasmanian voters chose them. However the 2024 election did not give any party anywhere near a majority and left deciding who would be the Government in the hands of the Parliament – which includes the possibility that at some point the Parliament might change its mind. If voters had wanted the Liberals to govern untrammeled they would have given them another majority, as they did in the 2018 and 2021 elections only for both those governments to be unable to keep that majority full term.
10:30 Dean Winter has said he will “not do a deal or form Government with the Greens”. So unless a crossbencher blinks or the Liberals throw Rockliff under the bus, that looks like an election.
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Ugh.
There is no reasonable prospect of the ALP forming government without the consent of the Greens. Throw them a bone, man.
The Governor is actually overseas on ‘oliday at present so election decisions will be made by the LtGov, Chris Shanahan, sp this will be some unexpected excitement for him.
There is apparently a budget issue with holding an election right now. The most recent budget presented by Rockliff was not passed by either house, so if an election were called immediately, funding for public servants and other responsibilities would stop on 1 July. There’s a mandatory 33+day electioneering period and allowing 3 weeks for counting, if an election were called right now, we could expect a new assembly to sit around 1 Aug.
The LtGov has the option of telling parliament to sit for one more emergency session to at least pass basic funding for a couple of extra months, and then lowering the election boom.
18-17
Rockliff has responded with some bitterness to Winter.
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“You might get rid of me mate, but I tell you what — they’re coming for you as well.”
“Because you will always be known as a wrecker.”
He’s reiterated he’ll be asking for an election, and says it will be one that Tasmanians “don’t want and can’t afford.”
“Be that on Mr Winter and the Labor party’s head”
But Mr Rockliff also says the government will be back in coming days with a temporary bill to continue to pay public servants.
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dv said:
18-17Rockliff has responded with some bitterness to Winter.
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“You might get rid of me mate, but I tell you what — they’re coming for you as well.”“Because you will always be known as a wrecker.”
He’s reiterated he’ll be asking for an election, and says it will be one that Tasmanians “don’t want and can’t afford.”
“Be that on Mr Winter and the Labor party’s head”
But Mr Rockliff also says the government will be back in coming days with a temporary bill to continue to pay public servants.
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Heh.
Rockliff is also making a bit of and dance about how raising the house to 35 members was the right thing to do but it has hurt him because it allowed these independents to ding him.
(Shrugs) if the election had been held with 25 seats, it would have gone something like 11 Lib, 8 ALP, 4 Green, 2 JLN.
Rockliff has visited the LtGov and given his plan, which is to have one more sitting of the assembly next Tuesday to pass enough funding to see the govt through til after the election. He will then visit the Governor (who will be back in Aust by then) to ask for the election. If I’m right, the earliest election date would then be 19 July.
dv said:
Rockliff has visited the LtGov and given his plan, which is to have one more sitting of the assembly next Tuesday to pass enough funding to see the govt through til after the election. He will then visit the Governor (who will be back in Aust by then) to ask for the election. If I’m right, the earliest election date would then be 19 July.
So the stadium and the AFL team looks pretty much dead to me.
Sorry if this has been discussed at length already during the day.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Rockliff has visited the LtGov and given his plan, which is to have one more sitting of the assembly next Tuesday to pass enough funding to see the govt through til after the election. He will then visit the Governor (who will be back in Aust by then) to ask for the election. If I’m right, the earliest election date would then be 19 July.
So the stadium and the AFL team looks pretty much dead to me.
Sorry if this has been discussed at length already during the day.
I wouldn’t think so. The ALP, Libs and most of the indies are in favour.
Clarke and Dawe – Thank God it couldn’t happen here
“The Unique Circumstances Which Produced the Brexit Vote.” Originally aired on ABC TV: 13/07/2016
9 years ago.
Seems like yesterday.
Petition · Stop Scott Morrison’s Order of Australia
https://www.change.org/p/stop-scott-morrison-s-order-of-australia
Spiny Norman said:
Petition · Stop Scott Morrison’s Order of Australiahttps://www.change.org/p/stop-scott-morrison-s-order-of-australia
Done. Signed.
Now, where’sthe petition to have the bastard tarred and feathered?
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Petition · Stop Scott Morrison’s Order of Australiahttps://www.change.org/p/stop-scott-morrison-s-order-of-australia
Done. Signed.
Now, where’sthe petition to have the bastard tarred and feathered?
Wait, is this something that’s likely to happen?
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Petition · Stop Scott Morrison’s Order of Australiahttps://www.change.org/p/stop-scott-morrison-s-order-of-australia
Done. Signed.
Now, where’sthe petition to have the bastard tarred and feathered?
Wait, is this something that’s likely to happen?
It’s the vibe, its the mabo.
Spiny Norman said:
Petition · Stop Scott Morrison’s Order of Australiahttps://www.change.org/p/stop-scott-morrison-s-order-of-australia
Right away sir.
The JuiceMedia people – the crowd behind the Honest Government ads – are taking a break for a short while.
But they’ll be back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzGjCZpQhfo
James Paterson is on Insiders saying the Liberals are happy to negotiate with Labor on tax reform.
Oh honey… you have 28 seats. No one gives a shit about anything you do or say.
The Liberal Party is like the ghost of an old king, bellowing orders, not yet realising they’re dead.
dv said:
James Paterson is on Insiders saying the Liberals are happy to negotiate with Labor on tax reform.
Oh honey… you have 28 seats. No one gives a shit about anything you do or say.
The Liberal Party is like the ghost of an old king, bellowing orders, not yet realising they’re dead.
LOL
dv said:
James Paterson is on Insiders saying the Liberals are happy to negotiate with Labor on tax reform.
Oh honey… you have 28 seats. No one gives a shit about anything you do or say.
The Liberal Party is like the ghost of an old king, bellowing orders, not yet realising they’re dead.
My understanding is the ALP still need some support in the Senate to pass the bill, no? So they will need either Greens or Teal/Indies or the L/NP to support it. The Greens have already said it doesn’t go far enough and they want amendments.
ABC News:
Poor woman would have to look for a job, otherwise.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
Poor woman would have to look for a job, otherwise.
That’s a bit unkind. She’s one of the good’uns.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
Poor woman would have to look for a job, otherwise.
That’s a bit unkind. She’s one of the good’uns.
Aye, I’m a bit surprised that the state Libs would want her.
Oh well.
Michael V said:
Oh well.
Well I hope it makes him happy.
Michael V said:
Oh well.
Ya don’t even need a hose these days to get one.
Michael V said:
Oh well.
Participation trophy.
The soldiers who actually did the work get nuffin’
Kingy said:
Michael V said:
Oh well.
Participation trophy.
The soldiers who actually did the work get nuffin’
Not only that, the soldiers who did the work while that arsehole was sunning his arse in Hawaii were punished for trying to stop the damage.
look be fair the authorities who got USSA over a million deaths and UK half a million from the same thing also got rewarded handsomely so clearly the recognition is for a good job done culling the weak
Michael V said:
Oh well.
So who did he lead?
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
Oh well.
So who did he lead?
horses
nobody could
have foreseen this
Dr Patrick Coleman, a nephrologist who has worked at the hospital since its opening, said the crisis was predictable.
“We were able to predict before the hospital opened some of the issues that were going to arise,” he said.
“It was never going to work.
“We were ignored. But that’s exactly what happened.”
“ And number three, in Western Australia there are restrictions about moving donor eggs, donor sperm and donor embryos, you need permission of the Reproductive Technology Council”
I had no idea Western Australia was home to Gilead.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-09/woman-unable-to-undergo-ivf-in-wa-became-reproductive-refugee/105378634
I doubt this would have made sarah’s mum happy.
roughbarked said:
I doubt this would have made sarah’s mum happy.
She’d be reassessing and downgrading her respect for Archer, as many of us are.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
I doubt this would have made sarah’s mum happy.
She’d be reassessing and downgrading her respect for Archer, as many of us are.
True.
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
ruby said:
Don’t forget about how he confessed that he liked to lay his hands on people, as part of his religious bullshit. Forcibly trying to touch that young pregnant woman during the bushfires.
All things considered, i would like to have the opportunity to beat him about the head with a large fish.
still not sure why we’re surprised at awards for the boys by the boys from the boys
roughbarked said:
I doubt this would have made sarah’s mum happy.
So much for Bridget being ‘one of the good ones’.
‘The stadium? Yeah, sure, i love the idea. Let’s make it bigger!’
‘Use puppies and kittens as clay targets? Absolutely, why not!’
‘Hand my grandmother over to a tribe of cannibals? Just tell me where to drop her!’
‘Anything, whatever, i don’t care, just get me on the ballot so i don’t have to find a job!’
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
I doubt this would have made sarah’s mum happy.
So much for Bridget being ‘one of the good ones’.
‘The stadium? Yeah, sure, i love the idea. Let’s make it bigger!’
‘Use puppies and kittens as clay targets? Absolutely, why not!’
‘Hand my grandmother over to a tribe of cannibals? Just tell me where to drop her!’
‘Anything, whatever, i don’t care, just get me on the ballot so i don’t have to find a job!’
yesterday I started rewatching Utopia, they were talking about a stadium in Tasmania.. the episode aired in 2014…
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
I doubt this would have made sarah’s mum happy.
So much for Bridget being ‘one of the good ones’.
‘The stadium? Yeah, sure, i love the idea. Let’s make it bigger!’
‘Use puppies and kittens as clay targets? Absolutely, why not!’
‘Hand my grandmother over to a tribe of cannibals? Just tell me where to drop her!’
‘Anything, whatever, i don’t care, just get me on the ballot so i don’t have to find a job!’
yesterday I started rewatching Utopia, they were talking about a stadium in Tasmania.. the episode aired in 2014…
Reality being even more ridiculous than satire is the defining quality of the modern era.
NSW Deputy Premier Prue Car has revealed she has been diagnosed with breast cancer. Car will take personal leave for an undetermined period as she begins immediate treatment.
SCIENCE said:
NSW Deputy Premier Prue Car has revealed she has been diagnosed with breast cancer. Car will take personal leave for an undetermined period as she begins immediate treatment.
Never heard of Prue, did a search, turns out Prue recently also had kidney cancer (according to wiki). That’s rotten luck…
So that ScoMo thing was real huh.
dv said:
So that ScoMo thing was real huh.
Yeah, unfortunately.
furious said:
SCIENCE said:NSW Deputy Premier Prue Car has revealed she has been diagnosed with breast cancer. Car will take personal leave for an undetermined period as she begins immediate treatment.
Never heard of Prue, did a search, turns out Prue recently also had kidney cancer (according to wiki). That’s rotten luck…
Yes it is.
dv said:
So that ScoMo thing was real huh.
Aparently it went off without protesters waving hoses.
furious said:
SCIENCE said:NSW Deputy Premier Prue Car has revealed she has been diagnosed with breast cancer. Car will take personal leave for an undetermined period as she begins immediate treatment.
Never heard of Prue, did a search, turns out Prue recently also had kidney cancer (according to wiki). That’s rotten luck…
Sure is.
roughbarked said:
furious said:
SCIENCE said:NSW Deputy Premier Prue Car has revealed she has been diagnosed with breast cancer. Car will take personal leave for an undetermined period as she begins immediate treatment.
Never heard of Prue, did a search, turns out Prue recently also had kidney cancer (according to wiki). That’s rotten luck…
Yes it is.
Wondering if she has a gene mutation, such as TP53. It causes a range of different cancers; kill one cancer site, another pops up.
(Kidney cancer doesn’t usually metastasise into breast cancer, or vice versa.)
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:
furious said:Never heard of Prue, did a search, turns out Prue recently also had kidney cancer (according to wiki). That’s rotten luck…
Yes it is.
Wondering if she has a gene mutation, such as TP53. It causes a range of different cancers; kill one cancer site, another pops up.
(Kidney cancer doesn’t usually metastasise into breast cancer, or vice versa.)
“Ms Car on Tuesday said testing had confirmed the breast cancer was unrelated to her previous diagnosis. “
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:Yes it is.
Wondering if she has a gene mutation, such as TP53. It causes a range of different cancers; kill one cancer site, another pops up.
(Kidney cancer doesn’t usually metastasise into breast cancer, or vice versa.)
“Ms Car on Tuesday said testing had confirmed the breast cancer was unrelated to her previous diagnosis. “
Ah, well obviously she’s been vaccinated by the chemtrails. There’s simply no other explanation.
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:Wondering if she has a gene mutation, such as TP53. It causes a range of different cancers; kill one cancer site, another pops up.
(Kidney cancer doesn’t usually metastasise into breast cancer, or vice versa.)
“Ms Car on Tuesday said testing had confirmed the breast cancer was unrelated to her previous diagnosis. “
Ah, well obviously she’s been vaccinated by the chemtrails. There’s simply no other explanation.
Banned…
roughbarked said:
dv said:
So that ScoMo thing was real huh.Aparently it went off without protesters waving hoses.
‘Waving your hose’ is something that you’d more expect to hear in story about a minor L/NP MP’s behaviour.
furious said:
SCIENCE said:NSW Deputy Premier Prue Car has revealed she has been diagnosed with breast cancer. Car will take personal leave for an undetermined period as she begins immediate treatment.
Never heard of Prue, did a search, turns out Prue recently also had kidney cancer (according to wiki). That’s rotten luck…
And not a good omen either.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
So that ScoMo thing was real huh.Aparently it went off without protesters waving hoses.
‘Waving your hose’ is something that you’d more expect to hear in story about a minor L/NP MP’s behaviour.
Lehrmann?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Aparently it went off without protesters waving hoses.
‘Waving your hose’ is something that you’d more expect to hear in story about a minor L/NP MP’s behaviour.
Lehrmann?
If only waving it was all he did with it…
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:‘Waving your hose’ is something that you’d more expect to hear in story about a minor L/NP MP’s behaviour.
Lehrmann?
If only waving it was all he did with it…
…..
Decision on Tasmania’s state election delayed as governor seeks ‘all available options’
The decision on whether Tasmanians go to the polls has been delayed, with the governor saying she will be “taking the time necessary to give due consideration to all available options” before deciding on a state election — the fourth election in seven years for Tasmania.
The governor’s deferring of her decision comes after Jeremy Rockliff refused to stand down as premier, following him losing a vote of no-confidence last week.
What’s next?
The options available could include a new Liberal leader winning support on the floor of parliament, Labor being asked to form a government with the Greens and crossbench — or Jeremy Rockliff’s request for an election being accepted.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-10/jeremy-rockliff-visits-governor-to-call-tas-state-election/105393548
dv said:
Decision on Tasmania’s state election delayed as governor seeks ‘all available options’The decision on whether Tasmanians go to the polls has been delayed, with the governor saying she will be “taking the time necessary to give due consideration to all available options” before deciding on a state election — the fourth election in seven years for Tasmania.
The governor’s deferring of her decision comes after Jeremy Rockliff refused to stand down as premier, following him losing a vote of no-confidence last week.
What’s next?
The options available could include a new Liberal leader winning support on the floor of parliament, Labor being asked to form a government with the Greens and crossbench — or Jeremy Rockliff’s request for an election being accepted.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-10/jeremy-rockliff-visits-governor-to-call-tas-state-election/105393548
Best we can hope for I suppose is that a slightly less incompetent bunch will replace the current highly incompetent bunch.
dv said:
Decision on Tasmania’s state election delayed as governor seeks ‘all available options’The decision on whether Tasmanians go to the polls has been delayed, with the governor saying she will be “taking the time necessary to give due consideration to all available options” before deciding on a state election — the fourth election in seven years for Tasmania.
The governor’s deferring of her decision comes after Jeremy Rockliff refused to stand down as premier, following him losing a vote of no-confidence last week.
What’s next?
The options available could include a new Liberal leader winning support on the floor of parliament, Labor being asked to form a government with the Greens and crossbench — or Jeremy Rockliff’s request for an election being accepted.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-10/jeremy-rockliff-visits-governor-to-call-tas-state-election/105393548
This followed up a rapid budgetary supply bill to fund the government for a couple of extra months.
Speaker Michelle O’Byrne announced that she will not be seeking reelection at the next election, regardless of when that is. When she goes, there will be no ALP members of the Tas assembly with more than 10 years’ experience.
Q+A is the latest victim of Albo the Axeman. Mixed feelings… seemed mostly to be a place for Lib staffers to pretend to be human.
https://youtu.be/4ovgyz252I4?si=g4grDRusgBDfDdV9
Constitutional Clarion
Morrison’s secret ministries
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This youtube channel belongs to Anne Twomey, who is a Professor Emerita of the University of Sydney.
dv said:
Q+A is the latest victim of Albo the Axeman. Mixed feelings… seemed mostly to be a place for Lib staffers to pretend to be human.
Albo is running the ABC these days?
dv said:
Q+A is the latest victim of Albo the Axeman. Mixed feelings… seemed mostly to be a place for Lib staffers to pretend to be human.
I don’t watch it anymore anyway. Sent my anxiety through the roof. I ended up calling it the “Yell at the Television Show”.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/bruce-lehrmann-picks-up-new-job-as-livein-nanny-while-awaiting-defamation-appeal-qld-rape-trial/news-story/d62373c18fe1ed92eb281715aabd4bcb
dv said:
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/bruce-lehrmann-picks-up-new-job-as-livein-nanny-while-awaiting-defamation-appeal-qld-rape-trial/news-story/d62373c18fe1ed92eb281715aabd4bcb
Uhhhh….
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/bruce-lehrmann-picks-up-new-job-as-livein-nanny-while-awaiting-defamation-appeal-qld-rape-trial/news-story/d62373c18fe1ed92eb281715aabd4bcb
Uhhhh….
To be clear…
Not satire
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/bruce-lehrmann-picks-up-new-job-as-livein-nanny-while-awaiting-defamation-appeal-qld-rape-trial/news-story/d62373c18fe1ed92eb281715aabd4bcb
Uhhhh….
To be clear…
Not satire
Yeah I didn’t read the link. The headline was sorta enough.
Tasmanian Governor Barbara Baker made the rounds today. ALP confirmed to her that they are not going to govern with Greens’ support. Checked with independents about whether they’d reconsider supporting the government. Ticked the boxes.
Rockliff met with the governor this evening and the election has been called for the soonest possible date, 19 July.
dv said:
Tasmanian Governor Barbara Baker made the rounds today. ALP confirmed to her that they are not going to govern with Greens’ support. Checked with independents about whether they’d reconsider supporting the government. Ticked the boxes.
Rockliff met with the governor this evening and the election has been called for the soonest possible date, 19 July.
If the voting went as the current polls, I’d expect the outcome to be something like 13 ALP, 13 Lib, 6 Green, 1 Lambie, 1 Independent.
This would give Labor the ability to govern with the Greens’s support. If Labor say they aren’t willing to do that then lord knows what happens.
dv said:
dv said:
Tasmanian Governor Barbara Baker made the rounds today. ALP confirmed to her that they are not going to govern with Greens’ support. Checked with independents about whether they’d reconsider supporting the government. Ticked the boxes.
Rockliff met with the governor this evening and the election has been called for the soonest possible date, 19 July.
If the voting went as the current polls, I’d expect the outcome to be something like 13 ALP, 13 Lib, 6 Green, 1 Lambie, 1 Independent.
This would give Labor the ability to govern with the Greens’s support. If Labor say they aren’t willing to do that then lord knows what happens.
At a guess, the Lord would be avoiding the issue.
dv said:
dv said:
Tasmanian Governor Barbara Baker made the rounds today. ALP confirmed to her that they are not going to govern with Greens’ support. Checked with independents about whether they’d reconsider supporting the government. Ticked the boxes.
Rockliff met with the governor this evening and the election has been called for the soonest possible date, 19 July.
If the voting went as the current polls, I’d expect the outcome to be something like 13 ALP, 13 Lib, 6 Green, 1 Lambie, 1 Independent.
This would give Labor the ability to govern with the Greens’s support. If Labor say they aren’t willing to do that then lord knows what happens.
Civil war?
or are Tasmanians too polite for that?
party_pants said:
dv said:
dv said:
Tasmanian Governor Barbara Baker made the rounds today. ALP confirmed to her that they are not going to govern with Greens’ support. Checked with independents about whether they’d reconsider supporting the government. Ticked the boxes.
Rockliff met with the governor this evening and the election has been called for the soonest possible date, 19 July.
If the voting went as the current polls, I’d expect the outcome to be something like 13 ALP, 13 Lib, 6 Green, 1 Lambie, 1 Independent.
This would give Labor the ability to govern with the Greens’s support. If Labor say they aren’t willing to do that then lord knows what happens.
Civil war?
or are Tasmanians too polite for that?
Civil sighs and eye-rolling more like. Tasmanians are used to having particularly useless politicians.
maybe they could just timeshare
SCIENCE said:
maybe they could just timeshare
They’d likely have trouble sychronising watches.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
maybe they could just timeshare
They’d likely have trouble sychronising watches.
quis custodiet ipsos custodes
https://youtu.be/Ofjuyl82IXM?si=hj77dHDjNkdtHNBS
Constitutional Clarion:
The Night of the Long Prawns – Senate Manipulation in the Whitlam Era
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Should be noted that each former PM who lived in the era where the Companion of the Order of Australia awards have been distributed has received one, except for Paul Keating, who declined all such Monarch’s birthday honours, saying that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
dv said:
Should be noted that each former PM who lived in the era where the Companion of the Order of Australia awards have been distributed has received one, except for Paul Keating, who declined all such Monarch’s birthday honours, saying that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
He should get an award for that.
dv said:
Should be noted that each former PM who lived in the era where the Companion of the Order of Australia awards have been distributed has received one, except for Paul Keating, who declined all such Monarch’s birthday honours, saying that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
that sounds very fair-minded
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Should be noted that each former PM who lived in the era where the Companion of the Order of Australia awards have been distributed has received one, except for Paul Keating, who declined all such Monarch’s birthday honours, saying that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
He should get an award for that.
A special gong for the conscientiously gongless.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Should be noted that each former PM who lived in the era where the Companion of the Order of Australia awards have been distributed has received one, except for Paul Keating, who declined all such Monarch’s birthday honours, saying that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
He should get an award for that.
A special gong for the conscientiously gongless.
Keating: “I prefer to think of myself as gong-free rather than gongless.”
When Paul Keating realized he wasn’t going to get the award he said that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Should be noted that each former PM who lived in the era where the Companion of the Order of Australia awards have been distributed has received one, except for Paul Keating, who declined all such Monarch’s birthday honours, saying that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
He should get an award for that.
A special gong for the conscientiously gongless.
with the added benefit that you would only need one gong for multiple awards because the ceremony would consist of the recipient being offered the gong and refusing it, to loud applause all round.
Peak Warming Man said:
When Paul Keating realized he wasn’t going to get the award he said that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
Really?
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
When Paul Keating realized he wasn’t going to get the award he said that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
Really?
Coul be, could be true.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
When Paul Keating realized he wasn’t going to get the award he said that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
Really?
Coul be, could be true.
Could be, could be false?
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Should be noted that each former PM who lived in the era where the Companion of the Order of Australia awards have been distributed has received one, except for Paul Keating, who declined all such Monarch’s birthday honours, saying that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
He should get an award for that.
A special gong for the conscientiously gongless.
so it should be given by the agong
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
When Paul Keating realized he wasn’t going to get the award he said that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
Really?
No, not really. He was specifically offered the AC and declined it.
dv said:
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
When Paul Keating realized he wasn’t going to get the award he said that such awards should be reserved for community workers who don’t otherwise get recognition for their services.
Really?
No, not really. He was specifically offered the AC and declined it.
Gasp!
PWM was messing with us!
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:He should get an award for that.
A special gong for the conscientiously gongless.
so it should be given by the agong
In Woolongong.
Kingy said:
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:A special gong for the conscientiously gongless.
so it should be given by the agong
In Woolongong.
I’ve been to Woolongong Woolongong Woolongong
Peak Warming Man said:
Kingy said:
SCIENCE said:so it should be given by the agong
In Woolongong.
I’ve been to Woolongong Woolongong Woolongong
…aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnd Dapto!
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Kingy said:In Woolongong.
I’ve been to Woolongong Woolongong Woolongong
…aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnd Dapto!
Hehe
Peak Warming Man said:
Kingy said:
SCIENCE said:so it should be given by the agong
In Woolongong.
I’ve been to Woolongong Woolongong Woolongong
…. and Dapto.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Really?
No, not really. He was specifically offered the AC and declined it.
Gasp!
PWM was messing with us!
It was bound to happen one day
Wollongong.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:No, not really. He was specifically offered the AC and declined it.
Gasp!
PWM was messing with us!
It was bound to happen one day
Yeah. A first time for everything.
;)
well there you are it’s good to know that the important people are focused on the important things
Richard Marles says the federal government is monitoring what impact the conflict in the Middle East will have on the Australian economy. The acting prime minister says global oil prices have been affected by the conflict in recent hours. “There have been impacts on the global oil prices associated with what has been playing out in the last day or two in relation to the Middle East and we will continue to monitor the impact of all of that,” Marles says.
SCIENCE said:
well there you are it’s good to know that the important people are focused on the important things
Richard Marles says the federal government is monitoring what impact the conflict in the Middle East will have on the Australian economy. The acting prime minister says global oil prices have been affected by the conflict in recent hours. “There have been impacts on the global oil prices associated with what has been playing out in the last day or two in relation to the Middle East and we will continue to monitor the impact of all of that,” Marles says.
Seems silly to me that this should impact oil prices much/ Israel is not an oil producing country. Iran is under sanctions and doesn’t export much, except for a handful of countries like India and Pakistan and Sudan and the like, that don’t care much about western sanctions.
Seems like an excuse for Big Oil profiteering.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:well there you are it’s good to know that the important people are focused on the important things
Richard Marles says the federal government is monitoring what impact the conflict in the Middle East will have on the Australian economy. The acting prime minister says global oil prices have been affected by the conflict in recent hours. “There have been impacts on the global oil prices associated with what has been playing out in the last day or two in relation to the Middle East and we will continue to monitor the impact of all of that,” Marles says.
Seems silly to me that this should impact oil prices much/ Israel is not an oil producing country. Iran is under sanctions and doesn’t export much, except for a handful of countries like India and Pakistan and Sudan and the like, that don’t care much about western sanctions.
Seems like an excuse for Big Oil profiteering.
Iran still manages to sell a fair bit of oil to China. If that supply is interrupted then China will look elsewhere and influence the global market prices.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:well there you are it’s good to know that the important people are focused on the important things
Richard Marles says the federal government is monitoring what impact the conflict in the Middle East will have on the Australian economy. The acting prime minister says global oil prices have been affected by the conflict in recent hours. “There have been impacts on the global oil prices associated with what has been playing out in the last day or two in relation to the Middle East and we will continue to monitor the impact of all of that,” Marles says.
Seems silly to me that this should impact oil prices much/ Israel is not an oil producing country. Iran is under sanctions and doesn’t export much, except for a handful of countries like India and Pakistan and Sudan and the like, that don’t care much about western sanctions.
Seems like an excuse for Big Oil profiteering.
Iran still manages to sell a fair bit of oil to China. If that supply is interrupted then China will look elsewhere and influence the global market prices.
The target is the Iranian nuclear industry. it shouldn’t affect the oilfields or the oil shipping terminals.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:Seems silly to me that this should impact oil prices much/ Israel is not an oil producing country. Iran is under sanctions and doesn’t export much, except for a handful of countries like India and Pakistan and Sudan and the like, that don’t care much about western sanctions.
Seems like an excuse for Big Oil profiteering.
Iran still manages to sell a fair bit of oil to China. If that supply is interrupted then China will look elsewhere and influence the global market prices.
The target is the Iranian nuclear industry. it shouldn’t affect the oilfields or the oil shipping terminals.
True.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:well there you are it’s good to know that the important people are focused on the important things
Richard Marles says the federal government is monitoring what impact the conflict in the Middle East will have on the Australian economy. The acting prime minister says global oil prices have been affected by the conflict in recent hours. “There have been impacts on the global oil prices associated with what has been playing out in the last day or two in relation to the Middle East and we will continue to monitor the impact of all of that,” Marles says.
Seems silly to me that this should impact oil prices much/ Israel is not an oil producing country. Iran is under sanctions and doesn’t export much, except for a handful of countries like India and Pakistan and Sudan and the like, that don’t care much about western sanctions.
Seems like an excuse for Big Oil profiteering.
They don’t need an excuse for that, but there is a lot of oil shipped through the gulf and the straits of Hormuz right next door. I wouldn’t want to be the insurer right now.
wait so should we rush to fill up the wagon* now before the prices jump or should we wait until the Persians get bombed into the stone age and the shipping lanes are under friendly English speaking imperial control
*: look we’d love to not be dependent on fossil fuel multinational fires but we haven’t picked up a CHINA EV yet so sorry
SCIENCE said:
wait so should we rush to fill up the wagon* now before the prices jump or should we wait until the Persians get bombed into the stone age and the shipping lanes are under friendly English speaking imperial control
*: look we’d love to not be dependent on fossil fuel multinational fires but we haven’t picked up a CHINA EV yet so sorry
The prices at the pump have already gone up, they go up instantly. Even if the fuel in the storage tanks left the middle east some days or weeks ago.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:wait so should we rush to fill up the wagon* now before the prices jump or should we wait until the Persians get bombed into the stone age and the shipping lanes are under friendly English speaking imperial control
*: look we’d love to not be dependent on fossil fuel multinational fires but we haven’t picked up a CHINA EV yet so sorry
The prices at the pump have already gone up, they go up instantly. Even if the fuel in the storage tanks left the middle east some days or weeks ago.
When you make donations to electoral campaigns in excess of what oil companies do, your complaints will be much more influential.
Australians are equally distrustful of both Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping, according to a survey from the Lowy Institute think tank. It showed 72% of respondents didn’t trust Trump to act responsibly in global affairs, just edging out the 71% who said they didn’t trust Xi. When asked whether Trump or Xi would be a better partner for Australia, the two leaders were tied at 45% apiece.
Bloomberg Newsletter Email.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Australians are equally distrustful of both Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping, according to a survey from the Lowy Institute think tank. It showed 72% of respondents didn’t trust Trump to act responsibly in global affairs, just edging out the 71% who said they didn’t trust Xi. When asked whether Trump or Xi would be a better partner for Australia, the two leaders were tied at 45% apiece.Bloomberg Newsletter Email.
so what we need is a good strong Putin to walk the middle path
Remember when Abbott knighted Prince Philip? That was pretty weird.
dv said:
Remember when Abbott knighted Prince Philip? That was pretty weird.
Must have come to him in a strange dream.
dv said:
Remember when Abbott knighted Prince Philip? That was pretty weird.
And right before a Queensland election which the LNP narrowly lost.
slaps forehead
Thank goodness for that. I’m almost certain it was not Albanese’s favourite thing to do today.
buffy said:
The White House has announced Donald Trump will depart the G7 summit early, bailing on a scheduled one-on-one with Anthony Albanese.Thank goodness for that. I’m almost certain it was not Albanese’s favourite thing to do today.
I’ll bet Albo is both relieved and a little frustrated.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
The White House has announced Donald Trump will depart the G7 summit early, bailing on a scheduled one-on-one with Anthony Albanese.Thank goodness for that. I’m almost certain it was not Albanese’s favourite thing to do today.
I’ll bet Albo is both relieved and a little frustrated.
However, it indicates that something is up about the USA and involvement with the middle east.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
The White House has announced Donald Trump will depart the G7 summit early, bailing on a scheduled one-on-one with Anthony Albanese.Thank goodness for that. I’m almost certain it was not Albanese’s favourite thing to do today.
I’ll bet Albo is both relieved and a little frustrated.
However, it indicates that something is up about the USA and involvement with the middle east.
USS Nimitz is on its way from the South China Sea to the middle east so it does seem something is up.
Meanwhile DJT found time to put in a good word for his employer.
“The G7 used to be the G8. Barack Obama and a person named Trudeau didn’t want to have Russia in,” Trump said, referring to Justin Trudeau, who was elected Canadian prime minister the year after Russia was removed from the G8.Stephen Harper was the Canadian prime minister at the time.
“I think you wouldn’t have a war right now if you had Russia in, and you wouldn’t have a war right now if Trump were president four years ago,” Trump said.
“They threw Russia out, which I claimed was a very big mistake, even though I wasn’t in politics then.”
Trump added that Russia’s leader, Vladimir Putin, is “no longer at the table, so it makes life more complicated.”
dv said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:However, it indicates that something is up about the USA and involvement with the middle east.
USS Nimitz is on its way from the South China Sea to the middle east so it does seem something is up.
Meanwhile DJT found time to put in a good word for his employer.
“The G7 used to be the G8. Barack Obama and a person named Trudeau didn’t want to have Russia in,” Trump said, referring to Justin Trudeau, who was elected Canadian prime minister the year after Russia was removed from the G8.Stephen Harper was the Canadian prime minister at the time.
“I think you wouldn’t have a war right now if you had Russia in, and you wouldn’t have a war right now if Trump were president four years ago,” Trump said.
“They threw Russia out, which I claimed was a very big mistake, even though I wasn’t in politics then.”
Trump added that Russia’s leader, Vladimir Putin, is “no longer at the table, so it makes life more complicated.”
He really doesn’t read any briefings or even think before opening his mouth/typing his posts, does he.
buffy said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:USS Nimitz is on its way from the South China Sea to the middle east so it does seem something is up.
Meanwhile DJT found time to put in a good word for his employer.
“The G7 used to be the G8. Barack Obama and a person named Trudeau didn’t want to have Russia in,” Trump said, referring to Justin Trudeau, who was elected Canadian prime minister the year after Russia was removed from the G8.Stephen Harper was the Canadian prime minister at the time.
“I think you wouldn’t have a war right now if you had Russia in, and you wouldn’t have a war right now if Trump were president four years ago,” Trump said.
“They threw Russia out, which I claimed was a very big mistake, even though I wasn’t in politics then.”
Trump added that Russia’s leader, Vladimir Putin, is “no longer at the table, so it makes life more complicated.”
He really doesn’t read any briefings or even think before opening his mouth/typing his posts, does he.
No. It is clear that he doesn’t.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:However, it indicates that something is up about the USA and involvement with the middle east.
USS Nimitz is on its way from the South China Sea to the middle east so it does seem something is up.
Meanwhile DJT found time to put in a good word for his employer.
“The G7 used to be the G8. Barack Obama and a person named Trudeau didn’t want to have Russia in,” Trump said, referring to Justin Trudeau, who was elected Canadian prime minister the year after Russia was removed from the G8.Stephen Harper was the Canadian prime minister at the time.
“I think you wouldn’t have a war right now if you had Russia in, and you wouldn’t have a war right now if Trump were president four years ago,” Trump said.
“They threw Russia out, which I claimed was a very big mistake, even though I wasn’t in politics then.”
Trump added that Russia’s leader, Vladimir Putin, is “no longer at the table, so it makes life more complicated.”
Lots of American refuelling aircraft headed east across the Atlantic, it seems.
There’s usually one orbiting around above Dubai, but it looks like more ar eon the way to be positioned to assist those already in Europe.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
dv said:He really doesn’t read any briefings or even think before opening his mouth/typing his posts, does he.
No. It is clear that he doesn’t.
He’s learnt that he doesn’t have to think.
His fans will accept anything that he says as literal truth.
Those who are not fans may point out that he’s talking nonsense, but it has no effect on anything.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:He really doesn’t read any briefings or even think before opening his mouth/typing his posts, does he.
No. It is clear that he doesn’t.
He’s learnt that he doesn’t have to think.
His fans will accept anything that he says as literal truth.
Those who are not fans may point out that he’s talking nonsense, but it has no effect on anything.
And perhaps spending a couple of days with non fans was getting a bit too much?
buffy said:
And perhaps spending a couple of days with non fans was getting a bit too much?
A most underwhelming attendance at his birthday parade.
Soldiers saluting in any direction except his.
Millions of people turning out to protest against him.
Melania sitting next to him, struggling to not laugh out loud.
No fans of his at all among the G7 leaders.
It’s all been quite disillusioning for him. Time to retreat back into his shell, and comfort himself with new fantasies and drivel.
So when is the next G6 summit due to held?
I just want to see the dirty bits.
Peak Warming Man said:
I just want to see the dirty bits.
Pompeii Porn. It was a real party town.
Peak Warming Man said:
I just want to see the dirty bits.
It’s all dirty.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I just want to see the dirty bits.
It’s all dirty.
dat ash
ABC News:
Yeah, Qld already has enough film studios.
Seriously, it’s good to see some proper money being directed to these problems.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
Yeah, Qld already has enough film studios.
Seriously, it’s good to see some proper money being directed to these problems.
Coal royalties being spent wisely.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
Yeah, Qld already has enough film studios.
Seriously, it’s good to see some proper money being directed to these problems.
Coal royalties being spent wisely.
I know, it’s weird, isn’t it?
Peak Warming Man said:
I just want to see the dirty bits.
been to the old Pompeii
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
Yeah, Qld already has enough film studios.
Seriously, it’s good to see some proper money being directed to these problems.
didn’t we go through this crap yesterday about NSW?
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
Yeah, Qld already has enough film studios.
Seriously, it’s good to see some proper money being directed to these problems.
didn’t we go through this crap yesterday about NSW?
I did make a reference about expenditure in NSW yesterday.
And, today i make a reference to my reference.
And, i applaud the expenditure by the Qld govt on serious social problems.
And, that’s where the matter stands, at present.
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I just want to see the dirty bits.
been to the old Pompeii
Was there a wall with Romans Go Home on it 100 times?
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I just want to see the dirty bits.
been to the old Pompeii
Was there a wall with Romans Go Home on it 100 times?
Romanes eunt domus.
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I just want to see the dirty bits.
been to the old Pompeii
Was there a wall with Romans Go Home on it 100 times?
unfortunately I went before that occurred.
Man is about to pull off his scoobydoo mask
In 1907, South Australia passed the Northern Territory Surrender Act, paving the way for the transfer to the Commonwealth in 1911. At the time there wasn’t much benefit in administrating the area so the State was happy to offload it, though I suppose later mineral finds might have changed their tune. I wonder whether thought was given to subdividing WA.
-
Also just learned about the Federal Council of Australasia. This was a leader’s body, not dissimilar to the COAG I suppose, which met irregularly from 1885 to 1898 to make plans to deter French and German colonisation in the region. It involved Queensland, NSW, Victoria, Tasmania, New Zealand and Fiji, and later South Australia. Seems that it didn’t achieve much and the NSW Premier never actually showed up.
dv said:
In 1907, South Australia passed the Northern Territory Surrender Act, paving the way for the transfer to the Commonwealth in 1911. At the time there wasn’t much benefit in administrating the area so the State was happy to offload it, though I suppose later mineral finds might have changed their tune. I wonder whether thought was given to subdividing WA.-
Also just learned about the Federal Council of Australasia. This was a leader’s body, not dissimilar to the COAG I suppose, which met irregularly from 1885 to 1898 to make plans to deter French and German colonisation in the region. It involved Queensland, NSW, Victoria, Tasmania, New Zealand and Fiji, and later South Australia. Seems that it didn’t achieve much and the NSW Premier never actually showed up.
https://youtu.be/mTJeNYxoMd8?si=XvjpXoSUmrQbhZpa
Constitutional Clarion: Steele Hall and the two governors
Tells the story of the end of malapportionment in South Australia.
alleged
see told yous yous should have elected patriots instead
SCIENCE said:
alleged
see told yous yous should have elected patriots instead
I mean the PM can be replaced by parliament on zero notice so don’t overstate the independence of the PM in this regard
anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
SCIENCE said:
anyway good news today, another Australian is innocentFormer political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
Of course he is. He’s never done anything wrong.
SCIENCE said:
anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
This is a bit rough. He has to get to his nanny job somehow.
SCIENCE said:
anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
Every time you hear about him, it’s about something bad he’s done. Sonehow he manages to stay out of jail. He must have a stay out of jail card. It’s kind of like multipass but for keeping out of jails.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
Every time you hear about him, it’s about something bad he’s done. Sonehow he manages to stay out of jail. He must have a stay out of jail card. It’s kind of like multipass but for keeping out of jails.
If you collated all his news articles, how is it that he is not locked up?
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
Every time you hear about him, it’s about something bad he’s done. Sonehow he manages to stay out of jail. He must have a stay out of jail card. It’s kind of like multipass but for keeping out of jails.
The law is an ass.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
Every time you hear about him, it’s about something bad he’s done. Sonehow he manages to stay out of jail. He must have a stay out of jail card. It’s kind of like multipass but for keeping out of jails.
If you collated all his news articles, how is it that he is not locked up?
Why does he move around so much?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Every time you hear about him, it’s about something bad he’s done. Sonehow he manages to stay out of jail. He must have a stay out of jail card. It’s kind of like multipass but for keeping out of jails.
If you collated all his news articles, how is it that he is not locked up?
Why does he move around so much?
High paying job?
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
Every time you hear about him, it’s about something bad he’s done. Sonehow he manages to stay out of jail. He must have a stay out of jail card. It’s kind of like multipass but for keeping out of jails.
The law is an ass.
Something is not right.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:If you collated all his news articles, how is it that he is not locked up?
Why does he move around so much?
High paying job?
I think he is committing crimes as he moves around.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Why does he move around so much?
High paying job?
I think he is committing crimes as he moves around.
He’s an arrogant prick.
SCIENCE said:
anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
innocent for the time being.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
innocent for the time being.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:If you collated all his news articles, how is it that he is not locked up?
Why does he move around so much?
High paying job?
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
Every time you hear about him, it’s about something bad he’s done. Sonehow he manages to stay out of jail. He must have a stay out of jail card. It’s kind of like multipass but for keeping out of jails.
Brindabellas said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Why does he move around so much?
High paying job?
Did I read that he is a nanny? Or did I dream that in a very obscure and strange dream?…. I just googled it – I did not imagine shudders at him looking after a child
The thought of it. I know I could not leave a child with him.
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
Every time you hear about him, it’s about something bad he’s done. Sonehow he manages to stay out of jail. He must have a stay out of jail card. It’s kind of like multipass but for keeping out of jails.
She’s a fine actress.
A-doin’s is a transpiring in Tasmania. Lambie confirms she won’t put up any candidates in this state election.
Of the three JLN members who were elected last year, two left to be independents. The remaining one, Andrew Jenner of Lyons, is expected to run as a Nationals candidate.
The Nats did not field candidates in 2024. They have reregistered with the TEC and will be running a campaign this time. While ALP and Lib support the Mac point stadium, the Nats are opposed: they might end up doing alright, catching votes of people who are against the stadium but can’t stomach voting for the Greens.
dv said:
A-doin’s is a transpiring in Tasmania. Lambie confirms she won’t put up any candidates in this state election.Of the three JLN members who were elected last year, two left to be independents. The remaining one, Andrew Jenner of Lyons, is expected to run as a Nationals candidate.
The Nats did not field candidates in 2024. They have reregistered with the TEC and will be running a campaign this time. While ALP and Lib support the Mac point stadium, the Nats are opposed: they might end up doing alright, catching votes of people who are against the stadium but can’t stomach voting for the Greens.
So they say.
While it’s nice to have more anti-stadium candidates, it’s not nice to have Nationals.
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:anyway good news today, another Australian is innocent
Former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann has appeared in the Hobart Magistrate’s Court, charged with stealing a car in Tasmania’s Huon Valley in November last year. Mr Lehrmann, who, along with his lawyer, appeared via phone, entered a not guilty plea.
Every time you hear about him, it’s about something bad he’s done. Sonehow he manages to stay out of jail. He must have a stay out of jail card. It’s kind of like multipass but for keeping out of jails.
Its a must have, but not for crimmos.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
A-doin’s is a transpiring in Tasmania. Lambie confirms she won’t put up any candidates in this state election.Of the three JLN members who were elected last year, two left to be independents. The remaining one, Andrew Jenner of Lyons, is expected to run as a Nationals candidate.
The Nats did not field candidates in 2024. They have reregistered with the TEC and will be running a campaign this time. While ALP and Lib support the Mac point stadium, the Nats are opposed: they might end up doing alright, catching votes of people who are against the stadium but can’t stomach voting for the Greens.
So they say.
While it’s nice to have more anti-stadium candidates, it’s not nice to have Nationals.
Not-dreadful Lib Bridget Archer, who lost her seat in the recent Federal election, is seeking a switch to State politics. It will be interesting to see how far down the ballot the Liberals place her.
well knock us down with a barbule
Daryl Maguire has been found guilty of giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW corruption watchdog at a hearing in 2018, as it investigated the former Canterbury City Council. Maguire had denied wrongdoing, but prosecutors argued the former member for Wagga Wagga engaged in a “money making exercise” when he allegedly discussed a commission with a local councillor over a multimillion-dollar property deal.
are yous fucking kidding
Earlier this week, ABC News revealed that face-scanning technology tested on school students as part of the trial this year could only guess their age within an 18-month range in 85 per cent of cases. “I don’t think the ban is viable,” RMIT professor Lisa Given, who closely analysed the government’s policy, told ABC News.
cous’, gen爱 can only guess the truth within an 1/12 fraction of its range in 85% of cases, but yous SkyMatrixNet worshippers are telling us it’ll replace every human within -10 years, why the sudden cold distal lower limb appendages
The big tax changes likely to cross the treasurer’s desk
By Millie Muroi
June 20, 2025 — 4.11pm
Abolishing stamp duty and shifting to a land tax could be among the first changes on the government’s agenda as Treasurer Jim Chalmers threw open the doors to a shake-up of the tax system in his pledge to kickstart growth in the country’s living standards.
Chalmers this week said he welcomed suggestions for tax reform ahead of the government’s productivity roundtable in August, when he expects to field suggestions from business, unions and independent bodies including the Reserve Bank.
The rethink comes as the Productivity Commission’s latest bulletin on Thursday shows labour productivity – a measure of growth in living standards which has remained broadly stagnant for the past decade – tumbled 1 per cent in the year to March.
Chalmers has flagged that any ideas or “packages of ideas” aimed at boosting productivity should either improve or maintain the budget bottom line, although he will consider ideas that cost the budget in the short term if they deliver longer-term growth and revenue.
Many ideas have been around for decades, but some are especially likely to resurface in coming months. Here are some of the changes expected to be floated.
The Productivity Commission – and most economists – have long advocated for the removal of stamp duty: the tax charged by state and territory governments on certain purchases, including buying a property.
Sources close to federal and state treasuries have indicated a transition towards land tax: a levy on the value of land, instead of stamp duty, will be among the suggestions put on the table.
However, as a major revenue driver for state and territory governments, stamp duty has been difficult to abolish. Former NSW premier Dominic Perrottet introduced a choice for first-home buyers between paying stamp duty and an annual land tax, but the change was scrapped by NSW Premier Chris Minns, who instead expanded exemptions on paying stamp duty.
Housing Industry Association chief economist Tim Reardon says the average stamp duty bill on a median-priced home had reached a record high of $31,210 nationally.
Robert Breunig, director of the Tax and Transfer Policy Institute at the Australian National University, says a land tax, including on residential properties which harbour 40 per cent of the nation’s wealth, would be an efficient way of taxing wealth without costs to the nation’s productivity. “If I tax hard work, people work less hard, but if I tax land, the land doesn’t do anything,” he says.
In its Shifting The Dial report back in 2017, the Productivity Commission recommended phasing out stamp duty and replacing it with a broad-based land tax, saying it would increase workers’ ability to move towards better-fitting jobs and ensure land and housing were being efficiently allocated.
One of Labor’s biggest election policies was a promise to reduce the 16 per cent tax rate to 15 per cent for incomes between $18,201 and $45,000 from July next year, before reducing it to 14 per cent in July 2027.
However, Deloitte Access Economics partner Stephen Smith says the government needs to go further. “I think we need to reduce our reliance on income tax, both personal income and corporate income tax,” he says, noting changes suggested in the Henry Tax Review including having a flatter, simpler marginal income tax system.
Breunig says Australia’s relatively high corporate and personal income taxes are part of the country’s productivity problem. “I think doing something about lowering personal income taxes to encourage hard work and lowering corporate income taxes to encourage investment, both have to be on the agenda,” he says. “We still want to be able to get a lot of corporate revenue from the banks and miners, but we want to help small companies and start-ups.”
Australia’s Future Tax System Review, known as the Henry Review, also proposed the idea of a standard tax deduction which the government has promised through its $1000 instant tax write-off policy for anyone claiming work-related expenses below $1000. While there is push back from some accountants who stand to lose some clients, the change is expected to save millions of taxpayers time and money during their tax returns.
Taxing wealth and closing the trust loophole
The government already has its sights set on superannuation, proposing to reduce the discounted tax on earnings from balances over $3 million. However, given Chalmers’ focus on maintaining the budget bottom line, the government will likely have to trade some productivity-enhancing (but budget draining) changes for those which will boost its finances.
Breunig says the government could go further on taxing wealth. “The big fairness problem in the system is that we treat wealthy retirees as if they have no income,” he says, suggesting a tax on superannuation income in retirement.
Smith says increasing the Goods and Services Tax (GST) may help pay for the cost of other tax changes, suggesting the government could bump up GST from 10¢ to 15¢ in the dollar, with the federal government pocketing the additional 5¢ rather than redistributing it to the states. “That then gives the federal government an avenue to reduce the burden on other inefficient federal taxes,” Smith says.
He also says a reduction in the capital gains tax discount from 50 per cent to 25 per cent, which mostly benefits wealthier and higher-income individuals, could gain relatively wide support.
Breunig says it is also worth considering a flat tax on all types of dividends and savings. “That would get rid of a lot of a game playing around trusts because a lot of the game playing now is through distributing dividends to different family members at different tax rates,” he says. “But if all dividends were taxed at a flat rate, that would just become uninteresting.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-big-tax-changes-likely-to-cross-the-treasurer-s-desk-20250620-p5m8zh.html
9 months out from the next election in South Australia, YouGov’s polling has it as 67% ALP 33% Liberals in the 2pp.
dv said:
9 months out from the next election in South Australia, YouGov’s polling has it as 67% ALP 33% Liberals in the 2pp.
Is that unusual for SA?
Witty Rejoinder said:
The big tax changes likely to cross the treasurer’s deskBy Millie Muroi
June 20, 2025 — 4.11pmAbolishing stamp duty and shifting to a land tax could be among the first changes on the government’s agenda as Treasurer Jim Chalmers threw open the doors to a shake-up of the tax system in his pledge to kickstart growth in the country’s living standards.
Chalmers this week said he welcomed suggestions for tax reform ahead of the government’s productivity roundtable in August, when he expects to field suggestions from business, unions and independent bodies including the Reserve Bank.
The rethink comes as the Productivity Commission’s latest bulletin on Thursday shows labour productivity – a measure of growth in living standards which has remained broadly stagnant for the past decade – tumbled 1 per cent in the year to March.
Chalmers has flagged that any ideas or “packages of ideas” aimed at boosting productivity should either improve or maintain the budget bottom line, although he will consider ideas that cost the budget in the short term if they deliver longer-term growth and revenue.
Many ideas have been around for decades, but some are especially likely to resurface in coming months. Here are some of the changes expected to be floated.
The Productivity Commission – and most economists – have long advocated for the removal of stamp duty: the tax charged by state and territory governments on certain purchases, including buying a property.
Sources close to federal and state treasuries have indicated a transition towards land tax: a levy on the value of land, instead of stamp duty, will be among the suggestions put on the table.
However, as a major revenue driver for state and territory governments, stamp duty has been difficult to abolish. Former NSW premier Dominic Perrottet introduced a choice for first-home buyers between paying stamp duty and an annual land tax, but the change was scrapped by NSW Premier Chris Minns, who instead expanded exemptions on paying stamp duty.
Housing Industry Association chief economist Tim Reardon says the average stamp duty bill on a median-priced home had reached a record high of $31,210 nationally.
Robert Breunig, director of the Tax and Transfer Policy Institute at the Australian National University, says a land tax, including on residential properties which harbour 40 per cent of the nation’s wealth, would be an efficient way of taxing wealth without costs to the nation’s productivity. “If I tax hard work, people work less hard, but if I tax land, the land doesn’t do anything,” he says.
In its Shifting The Dial report back in 2017, the Productivity Commission recommended phasing out stamp duty and replacing it with a broad-based land tax, saying it would increase workers’ ability to move towards better-fitting jobs and ensure land and housing were being efficiently allocated.
One of Labor’s biggest election policies was a promise to reduce the 16 per cent tax rate to 15 per cent for incomes between $18,201 and $45,000 from July next year, before reducing it to 14 per cent in July 2027.
However, Deloitte Access Economics partner Stephen Smith says the government needs to go further. “I think we need to reduce our reliance on income tax, both personal income and corporate income tax,” he says, noting changes suggested in the Henry Tax Review including having a flatter, simpler marginal income tax system.
Breunig says Australia’s relatively high corporate and personal income taxes are part of the country’s productivity problem. “I think doing something about lowering personal income taxes to encourage hard work and lowering corporate income taxes to encourage investment, both have to be on the agenda,” he says. “We still want to be able to get a lot of corporate revenue from the banks and miners, but we want to help small companies and start-ups.”
Australia’s Future Tax System Review, known as the Henry Review, also proposed the idea of a standard tax deduction which the government has promised through its $1000 instant tax write-off policy for anyone claiming work-related expenses below $1000. While there is push back from some accountants who stand to lose some clients, the change is expected to save millions of taxpayers time and money during their tax returns.
Taxing wealth and closing the trust loophole
The government already has its sights set on superannuation, proposing to reduce the discounted tax on earnings from balances over $3 million. However, given Chalmers’ focus on maintaining the budget bottom line, the government will likely have to trade some productivity-enhancing (but budget draining) changes for those which will boost its finances.Breunig says the government could go further on taxing wealth. “The big fairness problem in the system is that we treat wealthy retirees as if they have no income,” he says, suggesting a tax on superannuation income in retirement.
Smith says increasing the Goods and Services Tax (GST) may help pay for the cost of other tax changes, suggesting the government could bump up GST from 10¢ to 15¢ in the dollar, with the federal government pocketing the additional 5¢ rather than redistributing it to the states. “That then gives the federal government an avenue to reduce the burden on other inefficient federal taxes,” Smith says.
He also says a reduction in the capital gains tax discount from 50 per cent to 25 per cent, which mostly benefits wealthier and higher-income individuals, could gain relatively wide support.
Breunig says it is also worth considering a flat tax on all types of dividends and savings. “That would get rid of a lot of a game playing around trusts because a lot of the game playing now is through distributing dividends to different family members at different tax rates,” he says. “But if all dividends were taxed at a flat rate, that would just become uninteresting.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-big-tax-changes-likely-to-cross-the-treasurer-s-desk-20250620-p5m8zh.html
Happy to see that all this is up for discussion. Whether any of it gets carried through or not is another matter. In any major reform there will be winners and losers, often the losers are those who deliberately structured their affairs to take advantage of loopholes. These people tend to have more political clout than those that don’t or can’t do this. Some of these, like replacing stamp duty with annual land taxes have been talked about for decades, but it is going to be incredibly hard to manage the transition period – states will suffer a big shortfall in income for at least a decade until the nastural churn of property ownership sees the majority of properties fall under the new tax regime.
party_pants said:
dv said:
9 months out from the next election in South Australia, YouGov’s polling has it as 67% ALP 33% Liberals in the 2pp.
Is that unusual for SA?
I mean that’s pretty unusual for anywhere.
ABC News:
What’s all this nonsense about a Qld government spending the State budget on things that the electorate wants it spent on?
Who are these people, and what have they done with the real L/NP?
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
What’s all this nonsense about a Qld government spending the State budget on things that the electorate wants it spent on?
Who are these people, and what have they done with the real L/NP?
They’ve also changed the states’ official colour to blue, from maroon.
So yeah, they’re still a pack of bar stewards.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
What’s all this nonsense about a Qld government spending the State budget on things that the electorate wants it spent on?
Who are these people, and what have they done with the real L/NP?
They’ve also changed the states’ official colour to blue, from maroon.
So yeah, they’re still a pack of bar stewards.
WTF?
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
What’s all this nonsense about a Qld government spending the State budget on things that the electorate wants it spent on?
Who are these people, and what have they done with the real L/NP?
They’ve also changed the states’ official colour to blue, from maroon.
So yeah, they’re still a pack of bar stewards.
‘… changed the states’ official colour to blue…’
WTAF?
‘… changed the states’ official colour to blue…’
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
What’s all this nonsense about a Qld government spending the State budget on things that the electorate wants it spent on?
Who are these people, and what have they done with the real L/NP?
They’ve also changed the states’ official colour to blue, from maroon.
So yeah, they’re still a pack of bar stewards.
SoO is going to be confusing now.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
What’s all this nonsense about a Qld government spending the State budget on things that the electorate wants it spent on?
Who are these people, and what have they done with the real L/NP?
They’ve also changed the states’ official colour to blue, from maroon.
So yeah, they’re still a pack of bar stewards.
‘… changed the states’ official colour to blue…’
WTAF?
I can’t find any reference to this – feels like it would have been pretty big news
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
What’s all this nonsense about a Qld government spending the State budget on things that the electorate wants it spent on?
Who are these people, and what have they done with the real L/NP?
They’ve also changed the states’ official colour to blue, from maroon.
So yeah, they’re still a pack of bar stewards.
‘… changed the states’ official colour to blue…’
WTAF?
I suspect this is some kind of joke
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:They’ve also changed the states’ official colour to blue, from maroon.
So yeah, they’re still a pack of bar stewards.
‘… changed the states’ official colour to blue…’
WTAF?
I can’t find any reference to this – feels like it would have been pretty big news
ahh it seems the LNP quietly changed the colour of the coat of arms from maroon to blue
weird thing to do
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:‘… changed the states’ official colour to blue…’
WTAF?
I can’t find any reference to this – feels like it would have been pretty big news
ahh it seems the LNP quietly changed the colour of the coat of arms from maroon to blue
weird thing to do
ok.. some more digging seems to suggest the whole story is suspect. There was a suggesting that the govt changed the colour it was using in it’s own party materials, nothing else.
5th highest mean wealth but 2nd highest median. Go Aussie Go!
Witty Rejoinder said:
5th highest mean wealth but 2nd highest median. Go Aussie Go!
People talk about how rich the Norwegians are, but Australia is quite a lot more impressive in those figures.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
5th highest mean wealth but 2nd highest median. Go Aussie Go!
People talk about how rich the Norwegians are, but Australia is quite a lot more impressive in those figures.
I expect this is private wealth. The sovereign wealth fund run by Norway is technically government controlled.
Witty Rejoinder said:
5th highest mean wealth but 2nd highest median. Go Aussie Go!
But what would it all mean if a child swallowed it?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
5th highest mean wealth but 2nd highest median. Go Aussie Go!
People talk about how rich the Norwegians are, but Australia is quite a lot more impressive in those figures.
I expect this is private wealth. The sovereign wealth fund run by Norway is technically government controlled.
Luxembourgers basically don’t do anything except run banks for for people who become rich through criminal activities.
They skim a fair bit off the top.
They’re kind of like how everyone imagines the Swiss, and Swiss banks, are (or used to be).
dv said:
9 months out from the next election in South Australia, YouGov’s polling has it as 67% ALP 33% Liberals in the 2pp.
A bit more than a year out from the election in Victoria and things are not so rosy for ALP, with the Libs ahead 51-49 and Battin streets ahead on the preferred premier polls.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:They’ve also changed the states’ official colour to blue, from maroon.
So yeah, they’re still a pack of bar stewards.
‘… changed the states’ official colour to blue…’
WTAF?
I suspect this is some kind of joke
Just the logo sorry, my mistake.
Witty Rejoinder said:
5th highest mean wealth but 2nd highest median. Go Aussie Go!
Here’s the top 20 from TATE (which has different numbers and some different countries included), sorted by the ratio of median/mean:
Puts Switzerland and USA in their rightful position :)
Federal Morgan Poll, 58-42
dv said:
Federal Morgan Poll, 58-42
Surely we don’t need to be concerned about this for another two and a half years.
What really matters is some real economic reform, done soon. Once that starts the polling will naturally fall because people don’t like change. But then when the whole world doesn’t collapse and life goes on the poll numbers come back up.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Federal Morgan Poll, 58-42
Surely we don’t need to be concerned about this for another two and a half years.
What really matters is some real economic reform, done soon. Once that starts the polling will naturally fall because people don’t like change. But then when the whole world doesn’t collapse and life goes on the poll numbers come back up.
Well, they’d better extract the digit and make the reforms PDQ, so the decline and recovery of opinion has time to occur.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Federal Morgan Poll, 58-42
Surely we don’t need to be concerned about this for another two and a half years.
What really matters is some real economic reform, done soon. Once that starts the polling will naturally fall because people don’t like change. But then when the whole world doesn’t collapse and life goes on the poll numbers come back up.
Well, they’d better extract the digit and make the reforms PDQ, so the decline and recovery of opinion has time to occur.
The new Senate can’t sit till July.
The ABC breached the Fair Work Act when it terminated casual broadcaster Antoinette Lattouf for reasons including that she held a political opinion opposing the Israeli military campaign in Gaza, the federal court has found.
Senior ABC managers were in a “a state of panic” after an “orchestrated campaign by pro-Israel lobbyists to have Ms Lattouf taken off air”, Justice Darryl Rangiah said in his judgment.
Rangiah upheld Lattouf’s claim heard in the federal court in February that she was unlawfully terminated in December 2023 when her on-air shifts were cut short three days into a five-day stint hosting Sydney Mornings.
He found the former ABC executive whose decision it was to remove her, Chris Oliver-Taylor, moved fast against Lattouf in an attempt to “mitigate the anticipated deluge of complaints” and to “beat” a story about pro-Israel complaints which was to be published in The Australian.
“Soon after Ms Lattouf presented her first program, the ABC began to receive complaints from members of the public. The complaints asserted she had expressed anti-Semitic views, lacked impartiality and was unsuitable to present any program for the ABC. It became clear that the complaints were an orchestrated campaign by pro-Israel lobbyists to have Ms Lattouf taken off air …
“The consternation of senior managers of the ABC turned into what can be described as a state of panic,” Rangiah said in his judgment.
“In that sense, the decision was made to appease the pro-Israel lobbyists who would inevitably escalate their complaints about the ABC employing a presenter they perceived to have anti-Semitic and anti-Israel opinions in such a public position,” the judgment went on.
Ranghiah found that the ABC had contravened s772(1) of the Fair Work Act by terminating Lattouf’s employment “for reasons including that she held a political opinion opposing the Israeli military campaign in Gaza”.
The court ordered that the ABC pay Lattouf compensation of $70,000 for non-economic loss, and set down a date for a hearing on whether a pecuniary penalty ought to be imposed on the ABC.
Lattouf’s lawyer Josh Bornstein said outside court that he will ask the court for “a significant penalty in order to deter the ABC from repeating its illegal conduct in the future”.
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jun/25/antoinette-lattouf-v-abc-unlawful-termination-case-verdict-federal-court-judgment-ntwnfb
I see Susssssan Ley is presently attending her own baptism of fire at the National Press Club.
(No, I’m not bothering to listen to it)
buffy said:
I see Susssssan Ley is presently attending her own baptism of fire at the National Press Club.(No, I’m not bothering to listen to it)
Thanks for the warning.
buffy said:
I see Susssssan Ley is presently attending her own baptism of fire at the National Press Club.(No, I’m not bothering to listen to it)
Saw some of it.
Sounded not too bad for a Lib at times.
Other times, not so much.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
I see Susssssan Ley is presently attending her own baptism of fire at the National Press Club.(No, I’m not bothering to listen to it)
Saw some of it.
Sounded not too bad for a Lib at times.
Other times, not so much.
A bit teal around the edges, perhaps?
buffy said:
I see Susssssan Ley is presently attending her own baptism of fire at the National Press Club.(No, I’m not bothering to listen to it)
I listened to a fair bit of it when Mrs V was in the Doctor’s Clinic.
A general Motherhood statement, including trying to demonstrate that Ley is an ordinary person. Some good ideas, and some statements that pre-empt the results of the Goward-Minchin review-inquiry.
One good thing: she wants more women in the Liberal ranks, and she says it must be achieved no matter how they do it.
It’s been 48 years since a successful referendum was held at the federal level in Australia.
Four questions were put to referendum in 1977: three were successful.
The three winners were:
The one that did not get up was:
Simultaneous elections: ensuring that Senate elections and House elections are held simultaneously.
This one got 62% of the vote nationally but only got a majority in three states, so did not pass.
Since then, nine questions have been put at referendums and none have succeeded.
I ponder sometimes about the One Vote One Value referendum that went down in 1988. The Coalition came out hard against it for obvious reasons. There’s been a lot of water under the bridge since then and I wonder whether it would have bipartisan support now.
“Melbourne street cleaner sacked for objecting to Acknowledgement of Country wins unfair dismissal”
It was the opening of a toolbox meeting FFS.
I don’t suppose we’ve any Tasmanian voters in here these days
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-20/gay-hate-election-flyer-surprises-gay-rights-leader/4898812
dv said:
I don’t suppose we’ve any Tasmanian voters in here these days
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-20/gay-hate-election-flyer-surprises-gay-rights-leader/4898812
Has The Car left the island?
AussieDJ said:
dv said:
I don’t suppose we’ve any Tasmanian voters in here these days
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-20/gay-hate-election-flyer-surprises-gay-rights-leader/4898812
Has The Car left the island?
He doesn’t vote.
roughbarked said:
AussieDJ said:
dv said:
I don’t suppose we’ve any Tasmanian voters in here these days
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-20/gay-hate-election-flyer-surprises-gay-rights-leader/4898812
Has The Car left the island?
He doesn’t vote.
Oh yes. Of course. Thank you.
AussieDJ said:
roughbarked said:
AussieDJ said:Has The Car left the island?
He doesn’t vote.
Oh yes. Of course. Thank you.
“Lord Nelson’s got a vote.”
“He’s got a boat, Baldrick.”
A couple of polls have come in in Tasmania. According to Kev Bonham, they indicate something like 13 Lib, 14 Lab, 4 Greens, 4 Ind, but the sample sizes are so small that you wouldn’t want to bet the farm on it. The Nationals are polling at around 2% and are not looking like winning a seat, though.
It’s hard to see a way out of this impasse. The ALP probably cannot form government without the Greens, but they don’t want to form government with them.
I propose Tasmania move to a Swiss style direct democracy…
dv said:
A couple of polls have come in in Tasmania. According to Kev Bonham, they indicate something like 13 Lib, 14 Lab, 4 Greens, 4 Ind, but the sample sizes are so small that you wouldn’t want to bet the farm on it. The Nationals are polling at around 2% and are not looking like winning a seat, though.It’s hard to see a way out of this impasse. The ALP probably cannot form government without the Greens, but they don’t want to form government with them.
I propose Tasmania move to a Swiss style direct democracy…
That’s the one based on chocolate
Liberal Party dusts off same script on quotas to debate lack of women MPs
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-02/gender-quotas-liberal-party-merit-scott-morrison-sussan-ley/105480916
Liberal party “Hello it’s still the 1950’s to us”
The M1 line of the Warsaw Metro is damaged in an overnight fire in Warsaw, Poland. Mayor Rafał Trzaskowski blames the incident on a power outage. (TVP Info)
Artyom is not happy
When the 1977 National Song plebiscite was held, five states plus NT preferred Advance Australia Fair.
ACT went for Waltzing Matilda.
In South Australia, the biggest vote share went to The Song of Australia. This was a song composed in 1859 for a patriotic song contest held by the Gawler Institute in Adelaide, with a prize of ten splendid guineas. The music is by Carl Linger and lyrics by Caroline Carlton.
I don’t like it.
https://youtu.be/vAqQsCb6bRc?si=C9ZhM6oTyKD11QYQ
In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
diddly-squat said:
In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
A bludgeon.
dv said:
When the 1977 National Song plebiscite was held, five states plus NT preferred Advance Australia Fair.
ACT went for Waltzing Matilda.In South Australia, the biggest vote share went to The Song of Australia. This was a song composed in 1859 for a patriotic song contest held by the Gawler Institute in Adelaide, with a prize of ten splendid guineas. The music is by Carl Linger and lyrics by Caroline Carlton.
I don’t like it.
https://youtu.be/vAqQsCb6bRc?si=C9ZhM6oTyKD11QYQ
Wow! that brought back memories – I sang that in a school choir – in the late 70s in Adelaide. Strange how you can remember all the words for songs you sang as a child
Brindabellas said:
dv said:When the 1977 National Song plebiscite was held, five states plus NT preferred Advance Australia Fair.
ACT went for Waltzing Matilda.In South Australia, the biggest vote share went to The Song of Australia. This was a song composed in 1859 for a patriotic song contest held by the Gawler Institute in Adelaide, with a prize of ten splendid guineas. The music is by Carl Linger and lyrics by Caroline Carlton.
I don’t like it.
https://youtu.be/vAqQsCb6bRc?si=C9ZhM6oTyKD11QYQ
Wow! that brought back memories – I sang that in a school choir – in the late 70s in Adelaide. Strange how you can remember all the words for songs you sang as a child
Obviously you enjoyed singing it.
diddly-squat said:
In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
Maybe, just maybe, the answer lies in not allowing any staff member alone with children.
diddly-squat said:
In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
I was thinking it might be the end of men in childcare.
They already face this sort of accusation I bet and now we have terrible examples of it being true.
Divine Angel said:
diddly-squat said:In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
Maybe, just maybe, the answer lies in not allowing any staff member alone with children.
This.
Divine Angel said:
diddly-squat said:In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
Maybe, just maybe, the answer lies in not allowing any staff member alone with children.
I mean I think that would be great, but is it practical? does that mean that every time a child needs a nappy change or assistance in the bathroom or is outside alone that they need two people?
I think there is also a case to be made for significantly increasing the rates of pay for childcare workers – at the moment it’s a such a transitory industry.
It’s been at least five years since we’ve had a child in long-form daycare so it’s not something I interact with at all anymore, but our youngest still attends afterschool care and vacation care, and their ratios are way low.
diddly-squat said:
Divine Angel said:
diddly-squat said:In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
Maybe, just maybe, the answer lies in not allowing any staff member alone with children.
I mean I think that would be great, but is it practical? does that mean that every time a child needs a nappy change or assistance in the bathroom or is outside alone that they need two people?
I think there is also a case to be made for significantly increasing the rates of pay for childcare workers – at the moment it’s a such a transitory industry.
It’s been at least five years since we’ve had a child in long-form daycare so it’s not something I interact with at all anymore, but our youngest still attends afterschool care and vacation care, and their ratios are way low.
Then why not have cameras capturing every moment?
These videos to be examined regulary.
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
Divine Angel said:Maybe, just maybe, the answer lies in not allowing any staff member alone with children.
I mean I think that would be great, but is it practical? does that mean that every time a child needs a nappy change or assistance in the bathroom or is outside alone that they need two people?
I think there is also a case to be made for significantly increasing the rates of pay for childcare workers – at the moment it’s a such a transitory industry.
It’s been at least five years since we’ve had a child in long-form daycare so it’s not something I interact with at all anymore, but our youngest still attends afterschool care and vacation care, and their ratios are way low.
Then why not have cameras capturing every moment?
These videos to be examined regulary.
I wonder if AI could be trained to alert if something untoward occurs.
diddly-squat said:
In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
As I consciously chose not to have children, in general I do not comment on matters about child rearing. But I do not think it is a good idea to sequester children from men.
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
As I consciously chose not to have children, in general I do not comment on matters about child rearing. But I do not think it is a good idea to sequester children from men.
Agree.
diddly-squat said:
Divine Angel said:
diddly-squat said:In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
Maybe, just maybe, the answer lies in not allowing any staff member alone with children.
I mean I think that would be great, but is it practical? does that mean that every time a child needs a nappy change or assistance in the bathroom or is outside alone that they need two people?
I think there is also a case to be made for significantly increasing the rates of pay for childcare workers – at the moment it’s a such a transitory industry.
It’s been at least five years since we’ve had a child in long-form daycare so it’s not something I interact with at all anymore, but our youngest still attends afterschool care and vacation care, and their ratios are way low.
There are children in primary school who require help with toileting. The law is, two adults with a child while toileting.
Having said that, I’m not supposed to be out of the teachers’ sight at any time when I have children and it happens in every class I’ve been in. Even happened before I was qualified, when I was only a parent helper.
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
As I consciously chose not to have children, in general I do not comment on matters about child rearing. But I do not think it is a good idea to sequester children from men.
Yep.
I have many thoughts on this but can’t be bothered to elaborate right now.
The school I work at has a high population of kids without positive male role models in their lives. The Redcliffe Dolphins footy club run a program where the U20s support kids (mostly boys, but a few girls) in class, and during break times these guys kick a footy with kids.
It is part of recruitment for the club, but also brings that positive male role model influence to kids. It’s a valuable program for everyone involved.
Mini Me has never been in an establishment where there’s been a male educator, because there’s so few of them around. OTOH her basketball club had a male coach arrested for child offences; Mini Me was not in his team.
My youngest nephew was a childcare worker but packed it in. He found it too stressful and demanding.
I know its unscientific but many child sex offenders have a certain look about them.
The man in question looks this way.
Perhaps an immature baby face when they are young.
Cymek said:
I know its unscientific but many child sex offenders have a certain look about them.The man in question looks this way.
Perhaps an immature baby face when they are young.
Have you seen a number of them in the course of your duties?
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
I know its unscientific but many child sex offenders have a certain look about them.The man in question looks this way.
Perhaps an immature baby face when they are young.
Have you seen a number of them in the course of your duties?
Yes
We get maybe half a dozen through each week.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
I know its unscientific but many child sex offenders have a certain look about them.The man in question looks this way.
Perhaps an immature baby face when they are young.
Have you seen a number of them in the course of your duties?
Yes
We get maybe half a dozen through each week.
diddly-squat said:
Divine Angel said:
diddly-squat said:In the wake of the latest set of allegations against a childcare worker found in possession of child exploitation material, calls are being made to ban men from working within the childcare sector altogether.
I mean the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of these kinds of crimes are men and removing men from being able to work in this field would likely lead to safer environments for children, but it just feels like a very bunt instrument approach.
Maybe, just maybe, the answer lies in not allowing any staff member alone with children.
I mean I think that would be great, but is it practical? does that mean that every time a child needs a nappy change or assistance in the bathroom or is outside alone that they need two people?
I think there is also a case to be made for significantly increasing the rates of pay for childcare workers – at the moment it’s a such a transitory industry.
It’s been at least five years since we’ve had a child in long-form daycare so it’s not something I interact with at all anymore, but our youngest still attends afterschool care and vacation care, and their ratios are way low.
I’m sure you’ll have another kid soon, so you can get back to us
Cymek said:
I know its unscientific but many child sex offenders have a certain look about them.The man in question looks this way.
Perhaps an immature baby face when they are young.
if it were that simple every child sex offender would be easily identified – it’s not that easy
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
Divine Angel said:Maybe, just maybe, the answer lies in not allowing any staff member alone with children.
I mean I think that would be great, but is it practical? does that mean that every time a child needs a nappy change or assistance in the bathroom or is outside alone that they need two people?
I think there is also a case to be made for significantly increasing the rates of pay for childcare workers – at the moment it’s a such a transitory industry.
It’s been at least five years since we’ve had a child in long-form daycare so it’s not something I interact with at all anymore, but our youngest still attends afterschool care and vacation care, and their ratios are way low.
I’m sure you’ll have another kid soon, so you can get back to us
bubbles shaming PWM about eating habbits, now Arts taking a stab at me about the size of my family.. it’s a rough day in the sssf holiday forum office it seems…
;)
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
I know its unscientific but many child sex offenders have a certain look about them.The man in question looks this way.
Perhaps an immature baby face when they are young.
if it were that simple every child sex offender would be easily identified – it’s not that easy
No
Its just something I have noticed.
Its not scientific, just an interesting observation.
It’s like men who expose themselves in public.
I wonder how many may escalate to assaults on women
Cymek said:
I know its unscientific but many child sex offenders have a certain look about them.The man in question looks this way.
Perhaps an immature baby face when they are young.
thanks Lombroso
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:I mean I think that would be great, but is it practical? does that mean that every time a child needs a nappy change or assistance in the bathroom or is outside alone that they need two people?
I think there is also a case to be made for significantly increasing the rates of pay for childcare workers – at the moment it’s a such a transitory industry.
It’s been at least five years since we’ve had a child in long-form daycare so it’s not something I interact with at all anymore, but our youngest still attends afterschool care and vacation care, and their ratios are way low.
I’m sure you’ll have another kid soon, so you can get back to us
bubbles shaming PWM about eating habbits, now Arts taking a stab at me about the size of my family.. it’s a rough day in the sssf holiday forum office it seems…
;)
my stab was extracted from patterns of behaviour… surely it’s about time right? :)
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:I’m sure you’ll have another kid soon, so you can get back to us
bubbles shaming PWM about eating habbits, now Arts taking a stab at me about the size of my family.. it’s a rough day in the sssf holiday forum office it seems…
;)
my stab was extracted from patterns of behaviour… surely it’s about time right? :)
the youngest is 8, so yes, it’s there, or thereabouts…
but alas, modern medicine has since intervened.
I
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
I know its unscientific but many child sex offenders have a certain look about them.The man in question looks this way.
Perhaps an immature baby face when they are young.
Have you seen a number of them in the course of your duties?
Yes
We get maybe half a dozen through each week.
Way too many. :(
