Jmail is a browser-based archive of emails and records released by the United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform under the Epstein Files Transparency Act (EFTA). The website is stylized in a Gmail-based interface, with the goal of making EFTA releases easier to access and browse. The site is from the viewpoint of financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein’s personal email inbox, jeevacation@gmail.com, and contains text conversations up to 2019.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jmail

https://www.jmail.world/

fsm said:

Good news.

This link https://www.jmail.world/ opens my Gmail with a blank page.

roughbarked said:

This link https://www.jmail.world/ opens my Gmail with a blank page.

Open it in a new tab. It works fine at this end. Or google jmail.

alleged

fsm said:

roughbarked said:

This link https://www.jmail.world/ opens my Gmail with a blank page.

Open it in a new tab. It works fine at this end. Or google jmail.

I had to make adjustments to my filters and it came through. :)

Hitler finds out he’s in the Epstein files

Colbert

Article by Helen Rumbelow:

I studied the latest Epstein files. As a woman, this is what I felt

Rigging college admissions is a new one.

Divine Angel said:

Rigging college admissions is a new one.

is it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

pretty sure it’s a trick as old as tertiary education itself

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Rigging college admissions is a new one.

is it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

pretty sure it’s a trick as old as tertiary education itself

They don’t seem to have college were you go for the day and then go home
No wonder it’s so expensive

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Rigging college admissions is a new one.

is it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

pretty sure it’s a trick as old as tertiary education itself

I meant in Epstein files context.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Rigging college admissions is a new one.

is it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

pretty sure it’s a trick as old as tertiary education itself

They don’t seem to have college were you go for the day and then go home
No wonder it’s so expensive

I think those are community colleges.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Rigging college admissions is a new one.

is it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

pretty sure it’s a trick as old as tertiary education itself

They don’t seem to have college were you go for the day and then go home
No wonder it’s so expensive

we’ve heard an argument that boarding schools and the like, the socialised institutional violence is what the clients are asking for, as they say, the cruelty is the point

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Rigging college admissions is a new one.

is it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

pretty sure it’s a trick as old as tertiary education itself

I meant in Epstein files context.

I knew what you meant.

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Rigging college admissions is a new one.

is it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

pretty sure it’s a trick as old as tertiary education itself

I meant in Epstein files context.

true, we hadn’t heard that part of it before but seeing how they operate it makes sense for political influence, child sex abuse, money laundering, institutional control, and all that shit to be extensively horizontally and vertically integrated

If only we could work out whose name that is

dv said:

If only we could work out whose name that is

with the amount of these it’s almost as if it’s not a one off accident, almost as if there are insiders who are deliberately stuffing up and accidentally letting things slip, almost as if they’d actually publish genuine files that were redacted instead of just a bunch of fabricated documents with disinformation thrown in

dv said:

If only we could work out whose name that is

Even without the poor third “redaction”…

dv said:

If only we could work out whose name that is

Elon?

The Chaps numbers are tanking because he wasn’t mentioned in the Epstein Files.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Chaps numbers are tanking because he wasn’t mentioned in the Epstein Files.

Neither was PeterT.

ChrispenEvan said:

well that’s a bit unfair they did redact some of the victims, at least put some black rectangles over the flower and the butterfly there or something c’m‘on

oh wait they promised that they’d redact the Real Victims to protect privacy and prevent trauma, and that’s exactly what they did, fine, carry on

Epstein files reaffirm even a conviction doesn’t taint ‘good bloke’ status.

Virginia Trioli in a stylish suit on a set with lighting behind her By Virginia Trioli Topic:Law, Crime and Justice

33m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-07/jeffrey-epstein-good-character-reference/106307992

roughbarked said:

Epstein files reaffirm even a conviction doesn’t taint ‘good bloke’ status.

Virginia Trioli in a stylish suit on a set with lighting behind her By Virginia Trioli Topic:Law, Crime and Justice

33m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-07/jeffrey-epstein-good-character-reference/106307992

I like that NSW has rid themselves of character statements in court cases of such things. You can donate time and money to good causes and still do horrible things to people.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Epstein files reaffirm even a conviction doesn’t taint ‘good bloke’ status.

Virginia Trioli in a stylish suit on a set with lighting behind her By Virginia Trioli Topic:Law, Crime and Justice

33m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-07/jeffrey-epstein-good-character-reference/106307992

I like that NSW has rid themselves of character statements in court cases of such things. You can donate time and money to good causes and still do horrible things to people.

Yes. If someone of good character says that he knows this man and considers him of good character, even though I know he abuses children….

roughbarked said:

Epstein files reaffirm even a conviction doesn’t taint ‘good bloke’ status.

Virginia Trioli in a stylish suit on a set with lighting behind her By Virginia Trioli Topic:Law, Crime and Justice

33m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-07/jeffrey-epstein-good-character-reference/106307992

OTOH he retained that “good bloke” status largely amongst very creepy people.

Those files have increased the creepiness factor of quite a number of reputations.

Bubblecar said:

roughbarked said:

Epstein files reaffirm even a conviction doesn’t taint ‘good bloke’ status.

Virginia Trioli in a stylish suit on a set with lighting behind her By Virginia Trioli Topic:Law, Crime and Justice

33m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-07/jeffrey-epstein-good-character-reference/106307992

OTOH he retained that “good bloke” status largely amongst very creepy people.

Those files have increased the creepiness factor of quite a number of reputations.

The numbers appear to be increasing exponentially
To the power of?

This one’s from The New Statesman, but there’ll be plenty more out there:

Noam Chomsky’s reputation will never recover from the Epstein files

If you ever saw Chomsky as a moral paragon, you weren’t paying attention

Noam Chomsky has a long-standing reputation for being the conscience of the American left. As Norman Finkelstein once put it, he is its (for some of us, our) “philosopher king”. Or perhaps it should be he “had” that reputation. Though there is no suggestion that Chomsky was involved in anything criminal or sordid with regards to Jeffrey Epstein, the latest stunning and intimate revelations about his relationship with the paedophile-financier betray a grave moral miscalculation. The taint on Chomsky’s reputation may never disappear.

The email from Chomsky to Epstein that stood out in the most recent cache of released documents was from February 2019. Chomsky was giving Epstein advice on how to contain the bad press (Epstein then forwarded this email to a lawyer and publicist named Matthew Hiltzik, who said “I think that is wise”). From Chomsky’s point of view, he probably thought he was writing a private note of support and solidarity to a friend. But even this “best-case scenario” does not stand up to what, by 2019, was a staggering preponderance of evidence against Epstein. In 2018, the Miami Herald published the exposé that permanently soiled Epstein’s public standing: it detailed how lenient his 2008 conviction and sentence for soliciting prostitution from a minor were given the number and nature of allegations against him. This fallout is what Chomsky is referring to as the “horrible way” Epstein was being treated by the “vultures”.

The news has understandably shocked many on the left. Chomsky’s sage authority came from a perceived moral integrity: a privileged intellectual who chose to champion oppressed peoples around the world, and speak the truth about the barbarity of US imperialism. His work in solidarity with the East Timorese who suffered ethnocide under a Washington-backed dictatorship is above reproach. But Chomsky’s status as a “dissident” intellectual is in contradiction with his friendship with Epstein, someone who embodies the elite in its most degenerate form. It doesn’t make any sense. How could he not see Epstein for what he was: a patrician pimp?

In a 2003 philippic against Christopher Hitchens, Finkelstein observed that “bashing Noam Chomsky” was a rite of passage for apostates because he “mirrors their idealistic past as well as sordid present, an obstinate reminder that they once had principles but no longer do, that they sold out but he didn’t”. Finkelstein was turning Chomsky into a messiah figure. The latter was adamantine in his political consistency, in contrast with “apostates” like Hitchens, a former Chomsky enthusiast who had turned to the dark side when convenient.

Given Chomsky, aged 97, is unwell and rarely makes public statements, it would be easy to use the Chomsky revelations to ostracise him (as much of the left ostracised Hitchens for his support of the Iraq War in the early 2000s). Indeed, Chomsky’s silence has created a vacuum for the speculation of his critics. Many on the right have straightforwardly pounced on his associations with Epstein to discredit his wider politics. But on the left, too, those who always saw Chomsky as the establishment’s favourite pseudo-dissident have taken this episode as evidence that Chomsky was a wimpish liberal all along. (Of course, the anti-Semitic groypers have added Chomsky to the globalist Jewish cabal that rule the world.) But character assassination is rarely a good method of intellectual surgery. And for those more baffled or wounded by these Chomsky revelations, there is a more tempered conclusion: Chomsky was never a beacon or a sage, and was susceptible to these lapses of judgement long before he met Epstein.

Chomsky’s perverse loyalty to him is not a novelty of character. One need only consult the philosopher’s statements on the Cambodian genocide, the Bosnian genocide and the Syrian civil war to see the similar pattern of naive gullibility. In the case of Cambodia, he expressed scepticism at the initial reporting of the atrocities of the Pol Pot regime and accused Western reporters of producing atrocity propaganda. When it became clear that what was happening was even worse than first thought, he refused to acknowledge that he was wrong. Chomsky then wrote a foreword for his long collaborator Ed Herman’s The Politics of Genocide (2010); the book claimed the Serbs were “demonised” by the West and that the reported existence of rape camps and concentration camps was “fabricated”. When confronted on this by George Monbiot, Chomsky refused to acknowledge that these specific factual claims from Herman were wrong because it would be “sheer cowardice”.

Chomsky later gave credence to claims that chemical weapons attacks in Syria were staged and that there was a “cover up”. Again, he hasn’t conceded that he was wrong (as the journalist Seymour Hersh recently conceded on this very question, and investigations concluding that the overwhelming majority of Syrian chemical weapons attacks came from the Assad regime). In all three of these cases, you can see Chomsky’s Manichaeanism. He had no problem with saying that the 2001 US bombing campaign in Afghanistan was a “silent genocide”, but claims that to call what happened in Srebrenica a genocide was “to constitute virtual Holocaust denial”. In other words, it is only genocide when its suits my narrative, and not when it doesn’t. This isn’t morally or politically consistent; it is tendentious.

Chomsky has named George Orwell as one of his inspirations. But he consistently failed to heed a crucial lesson from Orwell that any intellectual must aspire to: the power of facing unpleasant facts and being able to assimilate them, even if it destabilises ideological narratives you’re comfortable in. It’s no surprise that Chomsky chose to pretend that the unpleasant facts that would be awkward for him didn’t exist. This is a common vice for activists and intellectuals of all political persuasions. But when you feel like you are part of a vanguard against global power it can be especially hard to face those close to you because you fear it will undermine your cause and give credibility to the establishment.

In of itself, Chomsky’s friendship with Epstein doesn’t impeach his criticisms of American imperialism, Israel, Marxism or anything else. Only his image as a moral exemplar has been destroyed. But Chomsky’s penchant for morally compromised judgements existed long before the Epstein files were released. And perhaps many of his betrayed fans didn’t want to see it for the same reason: they wanted to maintain their alliance with Chomsky and his legacy, avoiding unpleasant facts about him until it was too late.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Epstein files reaffirm even a conviction doesn’t taint ‘good bloke’ status.

Virginia Trioli in a stylish suit on a set with lighting behind her By Virginia Trioli Topic:Law, Crime and Justice

33m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-07/jeffrey-epstein-good-character-reference/106307992

I like that NSW has rid themselves of character statements in court cases of such things. You can donate time and money to good causes and still do horrible things to people.

They are not of good character when they abuse children.

Bubblecar said:

This one’s from The New Statesman, but there’ll be plenty more out there:

Noam Chomsky’s reputation will never recover from the Epstein files

If you ever saw Chomsky as a moral paragon, you weren’t paying attention

Strangely enough, I never had any opinion about Chomsky’s moral reputation one way or the other.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

This one’s from The New Statesman, but there’ll be plenty more out there:

Noam Chomsky’s reputation will never recover from the Epstein files

If you ever saw Chomsky as a moral paragon, you weren’t paying attention

Strangely enough, I never had any opinion about Chomsky’s moral reputation one way or the other.

Me neither, but he is/was a grandaddy figure on the US left.

But since he can no longer walk or talk after a massive stroke a couple years ago, he may be beyond caring about it.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Epstein files reaffirm even a conviction doesn’t taint ‘good bloke’ status.

Virginia Trioli in a stylish suit on a set with lighting behind her By Virginia Trioli Topic:Law, Crime and Justice

33m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-07/jeffrey-epstein-good-character-reference/106307992

I like that NSW has rid themselves of character statements in court cases of such things. You can donate time and money to good causes and still do horrible things to people.

I reckon that that is good, too.

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

This one’s from The New Statesman, but there’ll be plenty more out there:

Noam Chomsky’s reputation will never recover from the Epstein files

If you ever saw Chomsky as a moral paragon, you weren’t paying attention

Strangely enough, I never had any opinion about Chomsky’s moral reputation one way or the other.

Me neither, but he is/was a grandaddy figure on the US left.

But since he can no longer walk or talk after a massive stroke a couple years ago, he may be beyond caring about it.

we thought he was just a languagician, all the team sports stuff was crassé

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

This one’s from The New Statesman, but there’ll be plenty more out there:

Noam Chomsky’s reputation will never recover from the Epstein files

If you ever saw Chomsky as a moral paragon, you weren’t paying attention

Strangely enough, I never had any opinion about Chomsky’s moral reputation one way or the other.

Me neither, but he is/was a grandaddy figure on the US left.

But since he can no longer walk or talk after a massive stroke a couple years ago, he may be beyond caring about it.

Ah.

Bubblecar said:

This one’s from The New Statesman, but there’ll be plenty more out there:

Noam Chomsky’s reputation will never recover from the Epstein files

If you ever saw Chomsky as a moral paragon, you weren’t paying attention

Noam Chomsky has a long-standing reputation for being the conscience of the American left. As Norman Finkelstein once put it, he is its (for some of us, our) “philosopher king”. Or perhaps it should be he “had” that reputation. Though there is no suggestion that Chomsky was involved in anything criminal or sordid with regards to Jeffrey Epstein, the latest stunning and intimate revelations about his relationship with the paedophile-financier betray a grave moral miscalculation. The taint on Chomsky’s reputation may never disappear.

The email from Chomsky to Epstein that stood out in the most recent cache of released documents was from February 2019. Chomsky was giving Epstein advice on how to contain the bad press (Epstein then forwarded this email to a lawyer and publicist named Matthew Hiltzik, who said “I think that is wise”). From Chomsky’s point of view, he probably thought he was writing a private note of support and solidarity to a friend. But even this “best-case scenario” does not stand up to what, by 2019, was a staggering preponderance of evidence against Epstein. In 2018, the Miami Herald published the exposé that permanently soiled Epstein’s public standing: it detailed how lenient his 2008 conviction and sentence for soliciting prostitution from a minor were given the number and nature of allegations against him. This fallout is what Chomsky is referring to as the “horrible way” Epstein was being treated by the “vultures”.

The news has understandably shocked many on the left. Chomsky’s sage authority came from a perceived moral integrity: a privileged intellectual who chose to champion oppressed peoples around the world, and speak the truth about the barbarity of US imperialism. His work in solidarity with the East Timorese who suffered ethnocide under a Washington-backed dictatorship is above reproach. But Chomsky’s status as a “dissident” intellectual is in contradiction with his friendship with Epstein, someone who embodies the elite in its most degenerate form. It doesn’t make any sense. How could he not see Epstein for what he was: a patrician pimp?

In a 2003 philippic against Christopher Hitchens, Finkelstein observed that “bashing Noam Chomsky” was a rite of passage for apostates because he “mirrors their idealistic past as well as sordid present, an obstinate reminder that they once had principles but no longer do, that they sold out but he didn’t”. Finkelstein was turning Chomsky into a messiah figure. The latter was adamantine in his political consistency, in contrast with “apostates” like Hitchens, a former Chomsky enthusiast who had turned to the dark side when convenient.

Given Chomsky, aged 97, is unwell and rarely makes public statements, it would be easy to use the Chomsky revelations to ostracise him (as much of the left ostracised Hitchens for his support of the Iraq War in the early 2000s). Indeed, Chomsky’s silence has created a vacuum for the speculation of his critics. Many on the right have straightforwardly pounced on his associations with Epstein to discredit his wider politics. But on the left, too, those who always saw Chomsky as the establishment’s favourite pseudo-dissident have taken this episode as evidence that Chomsky was a wimpish liberal all along. (Of course, the anti-Semitic groypers have added Chomsky to the globalist Jewish cabal that rule the world.) But character assassination is rarely a good method of intellectual surgery. And for those more baffled or wounded by these Chomsky revelations, there is a more tempered conclusion: Chomsky was never a beacon or a sage, and was susceptible to these lapses of judgement long before he met Epstein.

Chomsky’s perverse loyalty to him is not a novelty of character. One need only consult the philosopher’s statements on the Cambodian genocide, the Bosnian genocide and the Syrian civil war to see the similar pattern of naive gullibility. In the case of Cambodia, he expressed scepticism at the initial reporting of the atrocities of the Pol Pot regime and accused Western reporters of producing atrocity propaganda. When it became clear that what was happening was even worse than first thought, he refused to acknowledge that he was wrong. Chomsky then wrote a foreword for his long collaborator Ed Herman’s The Politics of Genocide (2010); the book claimed the Serbs were “demonised” by the West and that the reported existence of rape camps and concentration camps was “fabricated”. When confronted on this by George Monbiot, Chomsky refused to acknowledge that these specific factual claims from Herman were wrong because it would be “sheer cowardice”.

Chomsky later gave credence to claims that chemical weapons attacks in Syria were staged and that there was a “cover up”. Again, he hasn’t conceded that he was wrong (as the journalist Seymour Hersh recently conceded on this very question, and investigations concluding that the overwhelming majority of Syrian chemical weapons attacks came from the Assad regime). In all three of these cases, you can see Chomsky’s Manichaeanism. He had no problem with saying that the 2001 US bombing campaign in Afghanistan was a “silent genocide”, but claims that to call what happened in Srebrenica a genocide was “to constitute virtual Holocaust denial”. In other words, it is only genocide when its suits my narrative, and not when it doesn’t. This isn’t morally or politically consistent; it is tendentious.

Chomsky has named George Orwell as one of his inspirations. But he consistently failed to heed a crucial lesson from Orwell that any intellectual must aspire to: the power of facing unpleasant facts and being able to assimilate them, even if it destabilises ideological narratives you’re comfortable in. It’s no surprise that Chomsky chose to pretend that the unpleasant facts that would be awkward for him didn’t exist. This is a common vice for activists and intellectuals of all political persuasions. But when you feel like you are part of a vanguard against global power it can be especially hard to face those close to you because you fear it will undermine your cause and give credibility to the establishment.

In of itself, Chomsky’s friendship with Epstein doesn’t impeach his criticisms of American imperialism, Israel, Marxism or anything else. Only his image as a moral exemplar has been destroyed. But Chomsky’s penchant for morally compromised judgements existed long before the Epstein files were released. And perhaps many of his betrayed fans didn’t want to see it for the same reason: they wanted to maintain their alliance with Chomsky and his legacy, avoiding unpleasant facts about him until it was too late.

Interesting take. I like the last two paragraphs. Good summation.

This has all been very illuminating, quite apart from the kiddy fiddling stuff.

dv said:

LOLOL

Divine Angel said:

:)

SCIENCE said:

William is a fool, Vanessa is blind

alleged

apparently being in the files can be a good thing

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

William is a fool, Vanessa is blind

alleged

Why fight human nature? Maybe we should just legalise it and tax it.

ABC News:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-08/savannah-guthrie-video-says-will-pay-ransom-for-kidnapped-mother/106318892

Savannah Guthrie did several high-profile interviews with Epstein victims after Epstein’s death.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-08/savannah-guthrie-video-says-will-pay-ransom-for-kidnapped-mother/106318892

Savannah Guthrie did several high-profile interviews with Epstein victims after Epstein’s death.

Divine Angel said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-08/savannah-guthrie-video-says-will-pay-ransom-for-kidnapped-mother/106318892

Savannah Guthrie did several high-profile interviews with Epstein victims after Epstein’s death.

Is it related? Or is that just another Internet Hypothesis?

As I lightly peruse social media I have notice dozens of women, and a few men, talking about having to step back from reading the recently released emails etc.

Survivors of sexual abuse in their childhood is a common denominator.

I wonder if these paedophiles get off on traumatising 1,000s of other people?

captain_spalding said:

well we didn’t hear that Obama was in there either so clearly these aren’t real leaders

But while investigators collected ample proof that Epstein sexually abused underage girls, they found scant evidence the well-connected financier led a sex trafficking ring serving powerful men, an Associated Press review of internal Justice Department records shows.

https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-client-list-sex-trafficking-049c96080a2ca2c12c84ac506437e50b

A federal statement announcing Jeffrey’s Epstein’s death in prison was dated the day before he was found dead hanging in his cell.
The document released by the US Department of Justice in the latest set of the Epstein Files describes Epstein being found unresponsive in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Centre in Manhattan, where he was declared dead.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/statement-jeffrey-epstein-death-day-before-b1270109.html

Divine Angel said:

But while investigators collected ample proof that Epstein sexually abused underage girls, they found scant evidence the well-connected financier led a sex trafficking ring serving powerful men, an Associated Press review of internal Justice Department records shows.

https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-client-list-sex-trafficking-049c96080a2ca2c12c84ac506437e50b

A federal statement announcing Jeffrey’s Epstein’s death in prison was dated the day before he was found dead hanging in his cell.
The document released by the US Department of Justice in the latest set of the Epstein Files describes Epstein being found unresponsive in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Centre in Manhattan, where he was declared dead.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/statement-jeffrey-epstein-death-day-before-b1270109.html

Stands to reason that the powerful men would have demanded strict secrecy.

Divine Angel said:

But while investigators collected ample proof that Epstein sexually abused underage girls, they found scant evidence the well-connected financier led a sex trafficking ring serving powerful men, an Associated Press review of internal Justice Department records shows.

https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-client-list-sex-trafficking-049c96080a2ca2c12c84ac506437e50b

A federal statement announcing Jeffrey’s Epstein’s death in prison was dated the day before he was found dead hanging in his cell.
The document released by the US Department of Justice in the latest set of the Epstein Files describes Epstein being found unresponsive in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Centre in Manhattan, where he was declared dead.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/statement-jeffrey-epstein-death-day-before-b1270109.html

Oops.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

But while investigators collected ample proof that Epstein sexually abused underage girls, they found scant evidence the well-connected financier led a sex trafficking ring serving powerful men, an Associated Press review of internal Justice Department records shows.

https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-client-list-sex-trafficking-049c96080a2ca2c12c84ac506437e50b

A federal statement announcing Jeffrey’s Epstein’s death in prison was dated the day before he was found dead hanging in his cell.
The document released by the US Department of Justice in the latest set of the Epstein Files describes Epstein being found unresponsive in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Centre in Manhattan, where he was declared dead.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/statement-jeffrey-epstein-death-day-before-b1270109.html

Stands to reason that the powerful men would have demanded strict secrecy.

Oops.

ugh

Survivors of Epstein Island will appear in a SuperBowl ad. It is understood they will implore Congress for full release of all files.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/02/epstein-survivors-powerful-super-bowl-sunday-ad-congress/

Divine Angel said:

Survivors of Epstein Island will appear in a SuperBowl ad. It is understood they will implore Congress for full release of all files.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/02/epstein-survivors-powerful-super-bowl-sunday-ad-congress/

This may cause Trump to boycott the super bowl? or the ICE dickheads will disrupt it??

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Survivors of Epstein Island will appear in a SuperBowl ad. It is understood they will implore Congress for full release of all files.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/02/epstein-survivors-powerful-super-bowl-sunday-ad-congress/

This may cause Trump to boycott the super bowl? or the ICE dickheads will disrupt it??

Trump was already boycotting the ‘Bowl cos of the halftime act, Bad Bunny. In response, there’s a MAGA tour, although the South Carolina one was cancelled after several acts pulled out.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Survivors of Epstein Island will appear in a SuperBowl ad. It is understood they will implore Congress for full release of all files.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/02/epstein-survivors-powerful-super-bowl-sunday-ad-congress/

This may cause Trump to boycott the super bowl? or the ICE dickheads will disrupt it??

Trump was already boycotting the ‘Bowl cos of the halftime act, Bad Bunny. In response, there’s a MAGA tour, although the South Carolina one was cancelled after several acts pulled out.

Outspoken Trump supporter Kid Rock is the headline act.

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Survivors of Epstein Island will appear in a SuperBowl ad. It is understood they will implore Congress for full release of all files.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/02/epstein-survivors-powerful-super-bowl-sunday-ad-congress/

This may cause Trump to boycott the super bowl? or the ICE dickheads will disrupt it??

Trump was already boycotting the ‘Bowl cos of the halftime act, Bad Bunny. In response, there’s a MAGA tour, although the South Carolina one was cancelled after several acts pulled out.

Outspoken Trump supporter Kid Rock is the headline act.

So we’re still trying to understand a couple of things there.

One, how legit’ are these files, how much of it is fabricated evidence¿ Like, there’s a shitload of stuff there so it would take a damn heap of effort to just make it all up, but they have plenty of people happily manufacturing conspiracy theories so why not¿ On the other hand it’s so badly done that it’s quite believable that it’s a bunch of genuine horrible shit.

Two, how the fuck did this not become a problem much earlier¿ If it’s legit’ then clearly the abuse has reached every corner of the “free” world, so as we’ve previously asked, how has nobody been able to raise enough of an alarm to set it all on fire¿ We get that nobody listens to victims, but how passive must more powerful institutional bystanders be to not draw a serious amount of attention to this¿ Are the blackmail networks so robust¿ Obviously Democrats are gutless as well, “oh we won’t bring any cases against kkk because he might bite us for it when he gets stronger”, but it certainly lends weight to the idea that they’re just as guilty.

One plus two, what seems kind of interesting is that with all the people mentioned so far (and as above, we haven’t seen any screaming about Obama being mentioned, for example) is that they all double down or post some nonapology or try to discredit but don’t outright deny: if it was all fabricated bullshit then we would’ve thought they’d be all over that. So it’s not fabricated at all¿ How the fuck did they manage to keep a lid on this fucking horrible shit until now¿

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

Trump was already boycotting the ‘Bowl cos of the halftime act, Bad Bunny. In response, there’s a MAGA tour, although the South Carolina one was cancelled after several acts pulled out.

Outspoken Trump supporter Kid Rock is the headline act.

So we’re still trying to understand a couple of things there.

One, how legit’ are these files, how much of it is fabricated evidence¿ Like, there’s a shitload of stuff there so it would take a damn heap of effort to just make it all up, but they have plenty of people happily manufacturing conspiracy theories so why not¿ On the other hand it’s so badly done that it’s quite believable that it’s a bunch of genuine horrible shit.

Two, how the fuck did this not become a problem much earlier¿ If it’s legit’ then clearly the abuse has reached every corner of the “free” world, so as we’ve previously asked, how has nobody been able to raise enough of an alarm to set it all on fire¿ We get that nobody listens to victims, but how passive must more powerful institutional bystanders be to not draw a serious amount of attention to this¿ Are the blackmail networks so robust¿ Obviously Democrats are gutless as well, “oh we won’t bring any cases against kkk because he might bite us for it when he gets stronger”, but it certainly lends weight to the idea that they’re just as guilty.

One plus two, what seems kind of interesting is that with all the people mentioned so far (and as above, we haven’t seen any screaming about Obama being mentioned, for example) is that they all double down or post some nonapology or try to discredit but don’t outright deny: if it was all fabricated bullshit then we would’ve thought they’d be all over that. So it’s not fabricated at all¿ How the fuck did they manage to keep a lid on this fucking horrible shit until now¿

My guess is that Epstein was seen as a fun-loving guy who held almost constant parties and managed to get lots of wild-partying young women to come along as well as lots of influential people. Alcohol and/or drug affected people tend not to ask the hard questions.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

Trump was already boycotting the ‘Bowl cos of the halftime act, Bad Bunny. In response, there’s a MAGA tour, although the South Carolina one was cancelled after several acts pulled out.

Outspoken Trump supporter Kid Rock is the headline act.

So we’re still trying to understand a couple of things there.

One, how legit’ are these files, how much of it is fabricated evidence¿ Like, there’s a shitload of stuff there so it would take a damn heap of effort to just make it all up, but they have plenty of people happily manufacturing conspiracy theories so why not¿ On the other hand it’s so badly done that it’s quite believable that it’s a bunch of genuine horrible shit.

Two, how the fuck did this not become a problem much earlier¿ If it’s legit’ then clearly the abuse has reached every corner of the “free” world, so as we’ve previously asked, how has nobody been able to raise enough of an alarm to set it all on fire¿ We get that nobody listens to victims, but how passive must more powerful institutional bystanders be to not draw a serious amount of attention to this¿ Are the blackmail networks so robust¿ Obviously Democrats are gutless as well, “oh we won’t bring any cases against kkk because he might bite us for it when he gets stronger”, but it certainly lends weight to the idea that they’re just as guilty.

One plus two, what seems kind of interesting is that with all the people mentioned so far (and as above, we haven’t seen any screaming about Obama being mentioned, for example) is that they all double down or post some nonapology or try to discredit but don’t outright deny: if it was all fabricated bullshit then we would’ve thought they’d be all over that. So it’s not fabricated at all¿ How the fuck did they manage to keep a lid on this fucking horrible shit until now¿

I think it was all a Mossad plot, and those who did try to blow the whistle on it were deliberately silenced.

SCIENCE said:

So we’re still trying to understand a couple of things there.

One, how legit’ are these files, how much of it is fabricated evidence¿ Like, there’s a shitload of stuff there so it would take a damn heap of effort to just make it all up, but they have plenty of people happily manufacturing conspiracy theories so why not¿ On the other hand it’s so badly done that it’s quite believable that it’s a bunch of genuine horrible shit.

Two, how the fuck did this not become a problem much earlier¿ If it’s legit’ then clearly the abuse has reached every corner of the “free” world, so as we’ve previously asked, how has nobody been able to raise enough of an alarm to set it all on fire¿ We get that nobody listens to victims, but how passive must more powerful institutional bystanders be to not draw a serious amount of attention to this¿ Are the blackmail networks so robust¿ Obviously Democrats are gutless as well, “oh we won’t bring any cases against kkk because he might bite us for it when he gets stronger”, but it certainly lends weight to the idea that they’re just as guilty.

One plus two, what seems kind of interesting is that with all the people mentioned so far (and as above, we haven’t seen any screaming about Obama being mentioned, for example) is that they all double down or post some nonapology or try to discredit but don’t outright deny: if it was all fabricated bullshit then we would’ve thought they’d be all over that. So it’s not fabricated at all¿ How the fuck did they manage to keep a lid on this fucking horrible shit until now¿

My understanding is as follows: (and I am happy to be corrected)

1. So far it seems like Epstein was fastidious in note-taking and organisation. He documented freaking everything. Whether some of it is fabricated, who knows? How are we likely to know? There are certainly people out there who would rather their names not be mentioned in these files. And those redactions? What’s behind those?

2. Consider other sex offenders such as Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein et al. Hiding in plain sight. Courtney Love was ranting about Weinstein a decade (or two) before the story exploded. Bill Cosby was joking on his records about drugging and raping women thirty years before that story exploded. Many women had already come forward before, and weren’t heard. Comedians joked about Cosby’s “well-known” rapes. Watch the VMAs from 20 years ago to see jokes about Diddy and his sex parties. The point here is that there’s a vast network of people covering up these crimes. What’s hidden in plain sight requires a bomb to detonate, sometimes decades after the “jokes” appear. I don’t know why, perhaps we as humans are accustomed to hearing such things day in and day out and tune out until that bomb drops. Everyone involved in the covering up is complicit, and to an extent, I would argue that we as an audience are complicit as well. It’s horrifying, but interesting what is the trigger to detonate these things.

3. I believe Obama was mentioned in emails, but it was people talking shit about him. He wasn’t one of the “boys’ club”. Maybe because he couldn’t be bought. Maybe because he’s black. Maybe he’s just not cool. As I’ve said before, there’s a difference between being “in” the files, and being in the files. Epstein knew a lot of people through legit business dealings and being somewhat of a celebrity within certain circles. Some people are mentioned in passing, some people are emailed for legit reasons, and some are mentioned in flight logs to the island.

What I do think, however, is that what we’ve seen so far is but the tip of a very large, very deep iceberg. It involves a lot of people with money and power. It involves people blackmailed/threatened to keep their mouths shut. What’s going to come of it? Who knows.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Outspoken Trump supporter Kid Rock is the headline act.

So we’re still trying to understand a couple of things there.

One, how legit’ are these files, how much of it is fabricated evidence¿ Like, there’s a shitload of stuff there so it would take a damn heap of effort to just make it all up, but they have plenty of people happily manufacturing conspiracy theories so why not¿ On the other hand it’s so badly done that it’s quite believable that it’s a bunch of genuine horrible shit.

Two, how the fuck did this not become a problem much earlier¿ If it’s legit’ then clearly the abuse has reached every corner of the “free” world, so as we’ve previously asked, how has nobody been able to raise enough of an alarm to set it all on fire¿ We get that nobody listens to victims, but how passive must more powerful institutional bystanders be to not draw a serious amount of attention to this¿ Are the blackmail networks so robust¿ Obviously Democrats are gutless as well, “oh we won’t bring any cases against kkk because he might bite us for it when he gets stronger”, but it certainly lends weight to the idea that they’re just as guilty.

One plus two, what seems kind of interesting is that with all the people mentioned so far (and as above, we haven’t seen any screaming about Obama being mentioned, for example) is that they all double down or post some nonapology or try to discredit but don’t outright deny: if it was all fabricated bullshit then we would’ve thought they’d be all over that. So it’s not fabricated at all¿ How the fuck did they manage to keep a lid on this fucking horrible shit until now¿

My guess is that Epstein was seen as a fun-loving guy who held almost constant parties and managed to get lots of wild-partying young women to come along as well as lots of influential people. Alcohol and/or drug affected people tend not to ask the hard questions.

Further to this, I’d like to add that it’s a basic human need to want to fit in. If you’re invited to one of these awesome parties, you’re not gonna say no (at first). Look at all the horrible tales to come out of the Playboy Mansion parties. Are you going to say anything and risk not being served up a hot woman with enormous boobs with all the drugs and alcohol you could ever want? Madness!

It’s well know that Harvey Weinstein blacklisted actresses who wouldn’t perform sex acts with him. Mira Sorvino is one example.

Divine Angel said:

3. I believe Obama was mentioned in emails, but it was people talking shit about him. He wasn’t one of the “boys’ club”. Maybe because he couldn’t be bought. Maybe because he’s black. Maybe he’s just not cool. As I’ve said before, there’s a difference between being “in” the files, and being in the files. Epstein knew a lot of people through legit business dealings and being somewhat of a celebrity within certain circles. Some people are mentioned in passing, some people are emailed for legit reasons, and some are mentioned in flight logs to the island.

What I do think, however, is that what we’ve seen so far is but the tip of a very large, very deep iceberg. It involves a lot of people with money and power. It involves people blackmailed/threatened to keep their mouths shut. What’s going to come of it? Who knows.

Yeah we’re assuming that with thoumillions of words sure Obama or similar would appear, but there’s no screaming about it because they appear in that exclusionary / exculpatory / legitimate capacity. We suppose it’s wise for anyone so included, except perhaps the ones who can now say “see, we were telling you about this for years, it’s on the record right there” to rub it in.

But yes the depth of this is quite concerning.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

3. I believe Obama was mentioned in emails, but it was people talking shit about him. He wasn’t one of the “boys’ club”. Maybe because he couldn’t be bought. Maybe because he’s black. Maybe he’s just not cool. As I’ve said before, there’s a difference between being “in” the files, and being in the files. Epstein knew a lot of people through legit business dealings and being somewhat of a celebrity within certain circles. Some people are mentioned in passing, some people are emailed for legit reasons, and some are mentioned in flight logs to the island.

What I do think, however, is that what we’ve seen so far is but the tip of a very large, very deep iceberg. It involves a lot of people with money and power. It involves people blackmailed/threatened to keep their mouths shut. What’s going to come of it? Who knows.

Yeah we’re assuming that with thoumillions of words sure Obama or similar would appear, but there’s no screaming about it because they appear in that exclusionary / exculpatory / legitimate capacity. We suppose it’s wise for anyone so included, except perhaps the ones who can now say “see, we were telling you about this for years, it’s on the record right there” to rub it in.

But yes the depth of this is quite concerning.

If parts of the files were fabricated, I’d expect to see damning evidence towards a lot more Democrats.

Divine Angel said:

What I do think, however, is that what we’ve seen so far is but the tip of a very large, very deep iceberg. It involves a lot of people with money and power. It involves people blackmailed/threatened to keep their mouths shut. What’s going to come of it? Who knows.

In addition to all your points, don’t forget that these people are very litigious. Nobody dares to publish stories on these sorts of topics for fear of being sued, and then chased and hounded to the point of bankruptcy. The rich use the law to protect themselves from consequences.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

So we’re still trying to understand a couple of things there.

One, how legit’ are these files, how much of it is fabricated evidence¿ Like, there’s a shitload of stuff there so it would take a damn heap of effort to just make it all up, but they have plenty of people happily manufacturing conspiracy theories so why not¿ On the other hand it’s so badly done that it’s quite believable that it’s a bunch of genuine horrible shit.

Two, how the fuck did this not become a problem much earlier¿ If it’s legit’ then clearly the abuse has reached every corner of the “free” world, so as we’ve previously asked, how has nobody been able to raise enough of an alarm to set it all on fire¿ We get that nobody listens to victims, but how passive must more powerful institutional bystanders be to not draw a serious amount of attention to this¿ Are the blackmail networks so robust¿ Obviously Democrats are gutless as well, “oh we won’t bring any cases against kkk because he might bite us for it when he gets stronger”, but it certainly lends weight to the idea that they’re just as guilty.

One plus two, what seems kind of interesting is that with all the people mentioned so far (and as above, we haven’t seen any screaming about Obama being mentioned, for example) is that they all double down or post some nonapology or try to discredit but don’t outright deny: if it was all fabricated bullshit then we would’ve thought they’d be all over that. So it’s not fabricated at all¿ How the fuck did they manage to keep a lid on this fucking horrible shit until now¿

My guess is that Epstein was seen as a fun-loving guy who held almost constant parties and managed to get lots of wild-partying young women to come along as well as lots of influential people. Alcohol and/or drug affected people tend not to ask the hard questions.

Further to this, I’d like to add that it’s a basic human need to want to fit in. If you’re invited to one of these awesome parties, you’re not gonna say no (at first). Look at all the horrible tales to come out of the Playboy Mansion parties. Are you going to say anything and risk not being served up a hot woman with enormous boobs with all the drugs and alcohol you could ever want? Madness!

It’s well know that Harvey Weinstein blacklisted actresses who wouldn’t perform sex acts with him. Mira Sorvino is one example.

Makes sense and we agree but what beggars belief is how long “at first” lasts, even after convictions, even after some evidence has come to light. We found it interesting (point 1+2 there) how apart from one very infamous very loose arsehole, how little denial there has been: it’s all damage control, when you just know if they could say “that’s a lie we weren’t involved in that” it would be much better.

Divine Angel said:

If parts of the files were fabricated, I’d expect to see damning evidence towards a lot more Democrats.

yeah we think

• a heap of the redactions are stupid andor malicious and
• there’s probably heaps more they aren’t releasing at all but
• we respect that so far all the third-hand shit that we’ve seen appears to be genuine horrible shit

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

What I do think, however, is that what we’ve seen so far is but the tip of a very large, very deep iceberg. It involves a lot of people with money and power. It involves people blackmailed/threatened to keep their mouths shut. What’s going to come of it? Who knows.

In addition to all your points, don’t forget that these people are very litigious. Nobody dares to publish stories on these sorts of topics for fear of being sued, and then chased and hounded to the point of bankruptcy. The rich use the law to protect themselves from consequences.

Heck, Liberace sued magazines for even hinting he was gay. And he won.

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

3. I believe Obama was mentioned in emails, but it was people talking shit about him. He wasn’t one of the “boys’ club”. Maybe because he couldn’t be bought. Maybe because he’s black. Maybe he’s just not cool. As I’ve said before, there’s a difference between being “in” the files, and being in the files. Epstein knew a lot of people through legit business dealings and being somewhat of a celebrity within certain circles. Some people are mentioned in passing, some people are emailed for legit reasons, and some are mentioned in flight logs to the island.

What I do think, however, is that what we’ve seen so far is but the tip of a very large, very deep iceberg. It involves a lot of people with money and power. It involves people blackmailed/threatened to keep their mouths shut. What’s going to come of it? Who knows.

Yeah we’re assuming that with thoumillions of words sure Obama or similar would appear, but there’s no screaming about it because they appear in that exclusionary / exculpatory / legitimate capacity. We suppose it’s wise for anyone so included, except perhaps the ones who can now say “see, we were telling you about this for years, it’s on the record right there” to rub it in.

But yes the depth of this is quite concerning.

If parts of the files were fabricated, I’d expect to see damning evidence towards a lot more Democrats.

Yes, I totally agree.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

Trump was already boycotting the ‘Bowl cos of the halftime act, Bad Bunny. In response, there’s a MAGA tour, although the South Carolina one was cancelled after several acts pulled out.

Outspoken Trump supporter Kid Rock is the headline act.

So we’re still trying to understand a couple of things there.

One, how legit’ are these files, how much of it is fabricated evidence¿ Like, there’s a shitload of stuff there so it would take a damn heap of effort to just make it all up, but they have plenty of people happily manufacturing conspiracy theories so why not¿ On the other hand it’s so badly done that it’s quite believable that it’s a bunch of genuine horrible shit.

Two, how the fuck did this not become a problem much earlier¿ If it’s legit’ then clearly the abuse has reached every corner of the “free” world, so as we’ve previously asked, how has nobody been able to raise enough of an alarm to set it all on fire¿ We get that nobody listens to victims, but how passive must more powerful institutional bystanders be to not draw a serious amount of attention to this¿ Are the blackmail networks so robust¿ Obviously Democrats are gutless as well, “oh we won’t bring any cases against kkk because he might bite us for it when he gets stronger”, but it certainly lends weight to the idea that they’re just as guilty.

One plus two, what seems kind of interesting is that with all the people mentioned so far (and as above, we haven’t seen any screaming about Obama being mentioned, for example) is that they all double down or post some nonapology or try to discredit but don’t outright deny: if it was all fabricated bullshit then we would’ve thought they’d be all over that. So it’s not fabricated at all¿ How the fuck did they manage to keep a lid on this fucking horrible shit until now¿

Obama was only mentioned as that bastard who won’t come to our parties.

Its not surprising really.

Public and private lives are very different.

I bet most child sex offenders or any sex offenders when caught surprise people who know them.
Add in Hollywood people being idolised to almost god status and the entitlement takes over.
We had Robert Hughes who was allowed to continue his ways because the show made money

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Outspoken Trump supporter Kid Rock is the headline act.

So we’re still trying to understand a couple of things there.

One, how legit’ are these files, how much of it is fabricated evidence¿ Like, there’s a shitload of stuff there so it would take a damn heap of effort to just make it all up, but they have plenty of people happily manufacturing conspiracy theories so why not¿ On the other hand it’s so badly done that it’s quite believable that it’s a bunch of genuine horrible shit.

Two, how the fuck did this not become a problem much earlier¿ If it’s legit’ then clearly the abuse has reached every corner of the “free” world, so as we’ve previously asked, how has nobody been able to raise enough of an alarm to set it all on fire¿ We get that nobody listens to victims, but how passive must more powerful institutional bystanders be to not draw a serious amount of attention to this¿ Are the blackmail networks so robust¿ Obviously Democrats are gutless as well, “oh we won’t bring any cases against kkk because he might bite us for it when he gets stronger”, but it certainly lends weight to the idea that they’re just as guilty.

One plus two, what seems kind of interesting is that with all the people mentioned so far (and as above, we haven’t seen any screaming about Obama being mentioned, for example) is that they all double down or post some nonapology or try to discredit but don’t outright deny: if it was all fabricated bullshit then we would’ve thought they’d be all over that. So it’s not fabricated at all¿ How the fuck did they manage to keep a lid on this fucking horrible shit until now¿

I think it was all a Mossad plot, and those who did try to blow the whistle on it were deliberately silenced.

There is that and other hypothesies as well.

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

3. I believe Obama was mentioned in emails, but it was people talking shit about him. He wasn’t one of the “boys’ club”. Maybe because he couldn’t be bought. Maybe because he’s black. Maybe he’s just not cool. As I’ve said before, there’s a difference between being “in” the files, and being in the files. Epstein knew a lot of people through legit business dealings and being somewhat of a celebrity within certain circles. Some people are mentioned in passing, some people are emailed for legit reasons, and some are mentioned in flight logs to the island.

What I do think, however, is that what we’ve seen so far is but the tip of a very large, very deep iceberg. It involves a lot of people with money and power. It involves people blackmailed/threatened to keep their mouths shut. What’s going to come of it? Who knows.

Yeah we’re assuming that with thoumillions of words sure Obama or similar would appear, but there’s no screaming about it because they appear in that exclusionary / exculpatory / legitimate capacity. We suppose it’s wise for anyone so included, except perhaps the ones who can now say “see, we were telling you about this for years, it’s on the record right there” to rub it in.

But yes the depth of this is quite concerning.

If parts of the files were fabricated, I’d expect to see damning evidence towards a lot more Democrats.

That’s a fair comment.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

What I do think, however, is that what we’ve seen so far is but the tip of a very large, very deep iceberg. It involves a lot of people with money and power. It involves people blackmailed/threatened to keep their mouths shut. What’s going to come of it? Who knows.

In addition to all your points, don’t forget that these people are very litigious. Nobody dares to publish stories on these sorts of topics for fear of being sued, and then chased and hounded to the point of bankruptcy. The rich use the law to protect themselves from consequences.

Blackmail at the core.

Cymek said:

Its not surprising really.

Public and private lives are very different.

I bet most child sex offenders or any sex offenders when caught surprise people who know them.
Add in Hollywood people being idolised to almost god status and the entitlement takes over.
We had Robert Hughes who was allowed to continue his ways because the show made money

He was politely asked to leave the show because it became an open secret and they didn’t want the wholesome image of the show to be affected. The scandal only came out when Brisbane radio hosts decided to do an on-air reunion and all the cast said. “we won’t do it if Robert Hughes is there”, prompting an informal investigation. I believe, but could be wrong, that it was Simone Buchanan who originally made the allegations. They kept quiet to protect Sarah Monaghan, who played Jenny.

Divine Angel said:

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

What I do think, however, is that what we’ve seen so far is but the tip of a very large, very deep iceberg. It involves a lot of people with money and power. It involves people blackmailed/threatened to keep their mouths shut. What’s going to come of it? Who knows.

In addition to all your points, don’t forget that these people are very litigious. Nobody dares to publish stories on these sorts of topics for fear of being sued, and then chased and hounded to the point of bankruptcy. The rich use the law to protect themselves from consequences.

Heck, Liberace sued magazines for even hinting he was gay. And he won.

and what did Jamie Redfern say?

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

Its not surprising really.

Public and private lives are very different.

I bet most child sex offenders or any sex offenders when caught surprise people who know them.
Add in Hollywood people being idolised to almost god status and the entitlement takes over.
We had Robert Hughes who was allowed to continue his ways because the show made money

He was politely asked to leave the show because it became an open secret and they didn’t want the wholesome image of the show to be affected. The scandal only came out when Brisbane radio hosts decided to do an on-air reunion and all the cast said. “we won’t do it if Robert Hughes is there”, prompting an informal investigation. I believe, but could be wrong, that it was Simone Buchanan who originally made the allegations. They kept quiet to protect Sarah Monaghan, who played Jenny.

Her and the actor that played Simon I think.

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

Its not surprising really.

Public and private lives are very different.

I bet most child sex offenders or any sex offenders when caught surprise people who know them.
Add in Hollywood people being idolised to almost god status and the entitlement takes over.
We had Robert Hughes who was allowed to continue his ways because the show made money

He was politely asked to leave the show because it became an open secret and they didn’t want the wholesome image of the show to be affected. The scandal only came out when Brisbane radio hosts decided to do an on-air reunion and all the cast said. “we won’t do it if Robert Hughes is there”, prompting an informal investigation. I believe, but could be wrong, that it was Simone Buchanan who originally made the allegations. They kept quiet to protect Sarah Monaghan, who played Jenny.

Her and the actor that played Simon I think.

How long was Rolf getting away with it? and that other bloke with the long nose and cigars.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

He was politely asked to leave the show because it became an open secret and they didn’t want the wholesome image of the show to be affected. The scandal only came out when Brisbane radio hosts decided to do an on-air reunion and all the cast said. “we won’t do it if Robert Hughes is there”, prompting an informal investigation. I believe, but could be wrong, that it was Simone Buchanan who originally made the allegations. They kept quiet to protect Sarah Monaghan, who played Jenny.

Her and the actor that played Simon I think.

How long was Rolf getting away with it? and that other bloke with the long nose and cigars.

Jimmy Saville?

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

Its not surprising really.

Public and private lives are very different.

I bet most child sex offenders or any sex offenders when caught surprise people who know them.
Add in Hollywood people being idolised to almost god status and the entitlement takes over.
We had Robert Hughes who was allowed to continue his ways because the show made money

He was politely asked to leave the show because it became an open secret and they didn’t want the wholesome image of the show to be affected. The scandal only came out when Brisbane radio hosts decided to do an on-air reunion and all the cast said. “we won’t do it if Robert Hughes is there”, prompting an informal investigation. I believe, but could be wrong, that it was Simone Buchanan who originally made the allegations. They kept quiet to protect Sarah Monaghan, who played Jenny.

Her and the actor that played Simon I think.

This article talks about the “don’t ask, don’t tell” culture. This is the big clue here: you speak up, your career is over. You’re ruining everything, including the molester’s life. You are the problem.

It’s been a while since I read Sarah Monahan’s memoir, called Allegedly, so the details might be a little hazy. She asserts Hughes molested a guest star on the show, and it’s clear she’s talking about Delta Goodrem although Sarah stops short at naming her. Delta has said she never experienced anything like that on the show.

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

He was politely asked to leave the show because it became an open secret and they didn’t want the wholesome image of the show to be affected. The scandal only came out when Brisbane radio hosts decided to do an on-air reunion and all the cast said. “we won’t do it if Robert Hughes is there”, prompting an informal investigation. I believe, but could be wrong, that it was Simone Buchanan who originally made the allegations. They kept quiet to protect Sarah Monaghan, who played Jenny.

Her and the actor that played Simon I think.

This article talks about the “don’t ask, don’t tell” culture. This is the big clue here: you speak up, your career is over. You’re ruining everything, including the molester’s life. You are the problem.

It’s been a while since I read Sarah Monahan’s memoir, called Allegedly, so the details might be a little hazy. She asserts Hughes molested a guest star on the show, and it’s clear she’s talking about Delta Goodrem although Sarah stops short at naming her. Delta has said she never experienced anything like that on the show.

alleged

speaking of things that rich and powerful people knew

Not all the emails were bad, apparently…

“ Nearly a decade ago, Jeffrey Epstein claimed that “some” were worried Donald Trump may be suffering from dementia after he allegedly failed to recognize longtime friends.

Epstein shared his concern in an email sent to journalist and Trump biographer Michael Wolff on Dec. 29, 2017, which was released by the Department of Justice along with millions of other files from the investigations into the late financier and convicted sex offender.

In the email to the Landslide author, which was sent during Donald’s first term as president of the United States, Epstein wrote: “Some at dinner with donald last night, were concerned about dementia. tons of makeup. did not recognize old friends.””

Divine Angel said:

Not all the emails were bad, apparently…

“ Nearly a decade ago, Jeffrey Epstein claimed that “some” were worried Donald Trump may be suffering from dementia after he allegedly failed to recognize longtime friends.

Epstein shared his concern in an email sent to journalist and Trump biographer Michael Wolff on Dec. 29, 2017, which was released by the Department of Justice along with millions of other files from the investigations into the late financier and convicted sex offender.

In the email to the Landslide author, which was sent during Donald’s first term as president of the United States, Epstein wrote: “Some at dinner with donald last night, were concerned about dementia. tons of makeup. did not recognize old friends.””

so it was true that kkk dissed him like any decent person would have, because kkk was a decent person

Epstein survivors commercial, broadcast during the Superbowl:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3A4LpMdQdlE

captain_spalding said:

Epstein survivors commercial, broadcast during the Superbowl:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3A4LpMdQdlE

Good.

But will KKK Pussy-Grabber and his sycophantic minions be swayed? I doubt it.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Epstein survivors commercial, broadcast during the Superbowl:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3A4LpMdQdlE

Good.

But will KKK Pussy-Grabber and his sycophantic minions be swayed? I doubt it.

They won’t be ‘swayed’.

I just want them to be afraid.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Epstein survivors commercial, broadcast during the Superbowl:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3A4LpMdQdlE

Good.

But will KKK Pussy-Grabber and his sycophantic minions be swayed? I doubt it.

They won’t be ‘swayed’.

I just want them to be afraid.

I do wonder how some people can be so evil? or have zero regard for others
I doubt many of them are traumatised by nurture or have PTSD from living in some war torn nation
Money and power I assume and sociopathic tendencies.

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Good.

But will KKK Pussy-Grabber and his sycophantic minions be swayed? I doubt it.

They won’t be ‘swayed’.

I just want them to be afraid.

I do wonder how some people can be so evil? or have zero regard for others
I doubt many of them are traumatised by nurture or have PTSD from living in some war torn nation
Money and power I assume and sociopathic tendencies.

It’s about immunity.

People who learn that they can buy anything that they want. People who mix with other people who can buy anything they want. They buy their way into places and settings where they meet people who, while perhaps they can’t be bought, have authority and power, and they become friends with them.

And then they can do anything they want to. If they can’t buy their way out of it, their powerful and influential friends can make it go away.

You and i don’t ‘do anything we want’, because (apart from moral revulsion) we understand that we’ll probably be detected doing it, and we can’t afford to buy our way out of it, and we don’t have the friends who can make it go away. Because we’ve never indulged in such things, we don’t become used to doing those things.

Those people don’t have those ‘problems’.

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Good.

But will KKK Pussy-Grabber and his sycophantic minions be swayed? I doubt it.

They won’t be ‘swayed’.

I just want them to be afraid.

I do wonder how some people can be so evil? or have zero regard for others
I doubt many of them are traumatised by nurture or have PTSD from living in some war torn nation
Money and power I assume and sociopathic tendencies.

Money and power corrupts people. They seem to get more arrogant the higher up the ladder they think they are.
The odd one falls away and says enough is enough I can be generous now but on the whole give them money, they only want more of it.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

They won’t be ‘swayed’.

I just want them to be afraid.

I do wonder how some people can be so evil? or have zero regard for others
I doubt many of them are traumatised by nurture or have PTSD from living in some war torn nation
Money and power I assume and sociopathic tendencies.

It’s about immunity.

People who learn that they can buy anything that they want. People who mix with other people who can buy anything they want. They buy their way into places and settings where they meet people who, while perhaps they can’t be bought, have authority and power, and they become friends with them.

And then they can do anything they want to. If they can’t buy their way out of it, their powerful and influential friends can make it go away.

You and i don’t ‘do anything we want’, because (apart from moral revulsion) we understand that we’ll probably be detected doing it, and we can’t afford to buy our way out of it, and we don’t have the friends who can make it go away. Because we’ve never indulged in such things, we don’t become used to doing those things.

Those people don’t have those ‘problems’.

Sounds about right.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

They won’t be ‘swayed’.

I just want them to be afraid.

I do wonder how some people can be so evil? or have zero regard for others
I doubt many of them are traumatised by nurture or have PTSD from living in some war torn nation
Money and power I assume and sociopathic tendencies.

It’s about immunity.

People who learn that they can buy anything that they want. People who mix with other people who can buy anything they want. They buy their way into places and settings where they meet people who, while perhaps they can’t be bought, have authority and power, and they become friends with them.

And then they can do anything they want to. If they can’t buy their way out of it, their powerful and influential friends can make it go away.

You and i don’t ‘do anything we want’, because (apart from moral revulsion) we understand that we’ll probably be detected doing it, and we can’t afford to buy our way out of it, and we don’t have the friends who can make it go away. Because we’ve never indulged in such things, we don’t become used to doing those things.

Those people don’t have those ‘problems’.

I was looking at the resources that WA police have in regards to busting drug smuggling, murder, etc
At work when they are being sentenced we are provided with detailed information on how they were caught
I imagine if you are attempting this unless you are particularly smart you’d need resources equal to the police or you are already at a disadvantage
That would also include contacts outside of WA who may have information that would aid you.

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I do wonder how some people can be so evil? or have zero regard for others
I doubt many of them are traumatised by nurture or have PTSD from living in some war torn nation
Money and power I assume and sociopathic tendencies.

It’s about immunity.

People who learn that they can buy anything that they want. People who mix with other people who can buy anything they want. They buy their way into places and settings where they meet people who, while perhaps they can’t be bought, have authority and power, and they become friends with them.

And then they can do anything they want to. If they can’t buy their way out of it, their powerful and influential friends can make it go away.

You and i don’t ‘do anything we want’, because (apart from moral revulsion) we understand that we’ll probably be detected doing it, and we can’t afford to buy our way out of it, and we don’t have the friends who can make it go away. Because we’ve never indulged in such things, we don’t become used to doing those things.

Those people don’t have those ‘problems’.

I was looking at the resources that WA police have in regards to busting drug smuggling, murder, etc
At work when they are being sentenced we are provided with detailed information on how they were caught
I imagine if you are attempting this unless you are particularly smart you’d need resources equal to the police or you are already at a disadvantage
That would also include contacts outside of WA who may have information that would aid you.

The cops are having big problems with the illegal tobacco suppliers.
Illegal tobacco sales are happening everywhere. Even in my local service station I observe illegal tobacco sales. I know because legal cigarettes are all gray. So If I see someone getting coloured cigarette packs from a room out the back, I know what it is.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

It’s about immunity.

People who learn that they can buy anything that they want. People who mix with other people who can buy anything they want. They buy their way into places and settings where they meet people who, while perhaps they can’t be bought, have authority and power, and they become friends with them.

And then they can do anything they want to. If they can’t buy their way out of it, their powerful and influential friends can make it go away.

You and i don’t ‘do anything we want’, because (apart from moral revulsion) we understand that we’ll probably be detected doing it, and we can’t afford to buy our way out of it, and we don’t have the friends who can make it go away. Because we’ve never indulged in such things, we don’t become used to doing those things.

Those people don’t have those ‘problems’.

I was looking at the resources that WA police have in regards to busting drug smuggling, murder, etc
At work when they are being sentenced we are provided with detailed information on how they were caught
I imagine if you are attempting this unless you are particularly smart you’d need resources equal to the police or you are already at a disadvantage
That would also include contacts outside of WA who may have information that would aid you.

The cops are having big problems with the illegal tobacco suppliers.
Illegal tobacco sales are happening everywhere. Even in my local service station I observe illegal tobacco sales. I know because legal cigarettes are all gray. So If I see someone getting coloured cigarette packs from a room out the back, I know what it is.

OOps they aren’t about Eprstein files. However it shows how much one can get away with if on the illegal side.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

They won’t be ‘swayed’.

I just want them to be afraid.

I do wonder how some people can be so evil? or have zero regard for others
I doubt many of them are traumatised by nurture or have PTSD from living in some war torn nation
Money and power I assume and sociopathic tendencies.

Money and power corrupts people. They seem to get more arrogant the higher up the ladder they think they are.
The odd one falls away and says enough is enough I can be generous now but on the whole give them money, they only want more of it.

Once upon a time Elon Musk promised to end world hunger with his money

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Epstein survivors commercial, broadcast during the Superbowl:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3A4LpMdQdlE

Good.

But will KKK Pussy-Grabber and his sycophantic minions be swayed? I doubt it.

Nah, Trump’s too busy ranting about the halftime act.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

I do wonder how some people can be so evil? or have zero regard for others
I doubt many of them are traumatised by nurture or have PTSD from living in some war torn nation
Money and power I assume and sociopathic tendencies.

Money and power corrupts people. They seem to get more arrogant the higher up the ladder they think they are.
The odd one falls away and says enough is enough I can be generous now but on the whole give them money, they only want more of it.

Once upon a time Elon Musk promised to end world hunger with his money

His cup runneth over.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Epstein survivors commercial, broadcast during the Superbowl:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3A4LpMdQdlE

Good.

But will KKK Pussy-Grabber and his sycophantic minions be swayed? I doubt it.

Nah, Trump’s too busy ranting about the halftime act.

What? Even after TP went to all that trouble organising an alternative show, just for him?

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

I do wonder how some people can be so evil? or have zero regard for others
I doubt many of them are traumatised by nurture or have PTSD from living in some war torn nation
Money and power I assume and sociopathic tendencies.

Money and power corrupts people. They seem to get more arrogant the higher up the ladder they think they are.
The odd one falls away and says enough is enough I can be generous now but on the whole give them money, they only want more of it.

Once upon a time Elon Musk promised to end world hunger with his money

He’s taken his focus off Mars and is now going to build a self growing city on the moon.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Money and power corrupts people. They seem to get more arrogant the higher up the ladder they think they are.
The odd one falls away and says enough is enough I can be generous now but on the whole give them money, they only want more of it.

Once upon a time Elon Musk promised to end world hunger with his money

His cup runneth over.

but idol worship feeds the soul

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Epstein survivors commercial, broadcast during the Superbowl:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3A4LpMdQdlE

Good.

But will KKK Pussy-Grabber and his sycophantic minions be swayed? I doubt it.

Nah, Trump’s too busy ranting about the halftime act.

Was a game of American Football actually played too?

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I do wonder how some people can be so evil? or have zero regard for others
I doubt many of them are traumatised by nurture or have PTSD from living in some war torn nation
Money and power I assume and sociopathic tendencies.

It’s about immunity.

People who learn that they can buy anything that they want. People who mix with other people who can buy anything they want. They buy their way into places and settings where they meet people who, while perhaps they can’t be bought, have authority and power, and they become friends with them.

And then they can do anything they want to. If they can’t buy their way out of it, their powerful and influential friends can make it go away.

You and i don’t ‘do anything we want’, because (apart from moral revulsion) we understand that we’ll probably be detected doing it, and we can’t afford to buy our way out of it, and we don’t have the friends who can make it go away. Because we’ve never indulged in such things, we don’t become used to doing those things.

Those people don’t have those ‘problems’.

Sounds about right.

And, they get bored.

All the travel, the first-class this, the luxury that, the exclusive something-or-other, it’s all very nice, but after a while, it all gets a bit the same, you’ve been everywhere, done everything, met everyone, you want something…different.

And someone suggests something a bit ‘edgy’, something that’s in a bit of a ‘grey area’. So, you try it, and you like it, and you do that for a while. The more you do it, the more you feel entitled to do it, the less bad you feel about it being not-so-nice. But, then, that gets a bit dull, too.

And someone suggests…

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Money and power corrupts people. They seem to get more arrogant the higher up the ladder they think they are.
The odd one falls away and says enough is enough I can be generous now but on the whole give them money, they only want more of it.

Once upon a time Elon Musk promised to end world hunger with his money

He’s taken his focus off Mars and is now going to build a self growing city on the moon.

If We Just Invest Enough In This Arsehole For Long Enough Eventually He’ll Do Something Good For Everyone

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Once upon a time Elon Musk promised to end world hunger with his money

He’s taken his focus off Mars and is now going to build a self growing city on the moon.

If We Just Invest Enough In This Arsehole For Long Enough Eventually He’ll Do Something Good For Everyone

aka his Tony Stark phase where he was gonna save the world.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

It’s about immunity.

People who learn that they can buy anything that they want. People who mix with other people who can buy anything they want. They buy their way into places and settings where they meet people who, while perhaps they can’t be bought, have authority and power, and they become friends with them.

And then they can do anything they want to. If they can’t buy their way out of it, their powerful and influential friends can make it go away.

You and i don’t ‘do anything we want’, because (apart from moral revulsion) we understand that we’ll probably be detected doing it, and we can’t afford to buy our way out of it, and we don’t have the friends who can make it go away. Because we’ve never indulged in such things, we don’t become used to doing those things.

Those people don’t have those ‘problems’.

I was looking at the resources that WA police have in regards to busting drug smuggling, murder, etc
At work when they are being sentenced we are provided with detailed information on how they were caught
I imagine if you are attempting this unless you are particularly smart you’d need resources equal to the police or you are already at a disadvantage
That would also include contacts outside of WA who may have information that would aid you.

The cops are having big problems with the illegal tobacco suppliers.
Illegal tobacco sales are happening everywhere. Even in my local service station I observe illegal tobacco sales. I know because legal cigarettes are all gray. So If I see someone getting coloured cigarette packs from a room out the back, I know what it is.

Everywhere they are

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Money and power corrupts people. They seem to get more arrogant the higher up the ladder they think they are.
The odd one falls away and says enough is enough I can be generous now but on the whole give them money, they only want more of it.

Once upon a time Elon Musk promised to end world hunger with his money

He’s taken his focus off Mars and is now going to build a self growing city on the moon.

You’d need trillions to establish a colony on Mars and it could still fail.

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

He’s taken his focus off Mars and is now going to build a self growing city on the moon.

If We Just Invest Enough In This Arsehole For Long Enough Eventually He’ll Do Something Good For Everyone

aka his Tony Stark phase where he was gonna save the world.

But did he have a rocket to take him off panet whe he let the place blow up?

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Once upon a time Elon Musk promised to end world hunger with his money

He’s taken his focus off Mars and is now going to build a self growing city on the moon.

You’d need trillions to establish a colony on Mars and it could still fail.

I think it would cost more than all of Musk’s fortune.

People are rightfully saying its not 17 year old women,16 year old woman, etc, this is in the USA, its child.
Something though that the USA has (I assume they still exist) is those creepy child beauty pageants and the purity rings.
Sexualising children (or am I out of line) they are icky aren’t they

Cymek said:

People are rightfully saying its not 17 year old women,16 year old woman, etc, this is in the USA, its child.
Something though that the USA has (I assume they still exist) is those creepy child beauty pageants and the purity rings.
Sexualising children (or am I out of line) they are icky aren’t they

Are child beauty pageants still a thing? I though they went out of fashion after that child was kidnapped and murdered. Haven’t heard of them for a long time.

The purity thing is vulgar. It is just young women being shamed into giving up control of their own bodies to the men in their lives. Firstly their fathers and then their husband. Never to take control for themselves. It is just the same old bronze-age or iron-age patriarchy in the guise of religion.

Belyakov was Deputy Minister of Economic Development at this time

dv said:

Belyakov was Deputy Minister of Economic Development at this time

Epstein writes back, screw her and throttle her.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Belyakov was Deputy Minister of Economic Development at this time

Epstein writes back, screw her and throttle her.

so now we begin to understand how all the possible revelations get silenced

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

I do wonder how some people can be so evil? or have zero regard for others
I doubt many of them are traumatised by nurture or have PTSD from living in some war torn nation
Money and power I assume and sociopathic tendencies.

Money and power corrupts people. They seem to get more arrogant the higher up the ladder they think they are.
The odd one falls away and says enough is enough I can be generous now but on the whole give them money, they only want more of it.

Once upon a time Elon Musk promised to end world hunger with his money

Pant on fire.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Belyakov was Deputy Minister of Economic Development at this time

Epstein writes back, screw her and throttle her.

so now we begin to understand how all the possible revelations get silenced

Trump says he’ll ‘take a look at’ a pardon for Ghislaine Maxwell.

If she has sense, she’ll stay where she is.

They wouldn’t try another ‘death in custody’, but once she’s out in the big wide world, she’s a much easier target.

Car crash, fall down some stairs, lithium battery fire, any number of accidents waiting to happen.

—-

When Epstein was placed in the Security Housing Unit (SHU), the jail informed the Justice Department that he would have a cellmate and that a guard would look into the cell every 30 minutes. These procedures were not followed on the night he died. On August 9, Epstein’s cellmate was transferred, and no replacement was brought in. The evening of his death, Epstein met with his lawyers, who described him as “upbeat” before being escorted back to the SHU at 7:49 p.m. by guard Tova Noel. CCTV footage shows that the two guards failed to perform the required institutional count at 10:00 p.m. and recorded Noel briefly walking by Epstein’s cell at 10:30 p.m., the last time the guards entered the tier where his cell was located. Through the night, in violation of the jail’s normal procedure, Epstein was not checked every 30 minutes. The two guards assigned to check his cell overnight, Noel and Michael Thomas, fell asleep at their desk for about three hours and later falsified related records. Two cameras in front of Epstein’s cell also malfunctioned that night. Another camera had footage that was “unusable”.

Discovery
edit
Epstein’s body being moved to the medical examiner’s office
As the guards were distributing breakfast shortly after 6:30 a.m. on the morning of August 10, Epstein was found unresponsive in cardiac arrest in his cell. He was found in a kneeling position with a strip of bedsheet wrapped around his neck. The sheet was tied to the top of his bunk. He was believed to have been dead for about two hours by then. The guards performed CPR on Epstein, and other prisoners heard them yell “Breathe, Epstein, breathe.” At 6:33 a.m., the guards pulled an alarm, notifying their supervisor, to whom Noel said, “Epstein hung himself.” He was rushed to the New York Downtown Hospital where he was pronounced dead at 6:39 a.m. His body was transported to the medical examiner’s office soon after.

The removal of Epstein’s body from his cell was a violation of protocol, as the Bureau of Prisons (BOP) mandates that a suicide scene be treated with the “same level of protection as any crime scene in which a death has occurred”. Consequently, prison personnel also failed to photograph Epstein’s body as it was found.

—-

I don’t particularly dispute that he killed himself. It’s completely believable.

But all of these circumstances make it more or less an invitation for conspiracy theorists.
Of three cameras, two were off and one gave unusable footage? They failed to do the mandated 30 minute obs? Failed to photo the scene?
I suppose to assess whether this was suspicious we’d have to know whether it was typical for this institution to be run like shit.
How many times have you heard of someone committing suicide by hanging themselves in a kneeling position from a strip tied to furniture? Got to work with what you have I suppose.

dv said:

—-

When Epstein was placed in the Security Housing Unit (SHU), the jail informed the Justice Department that he would have a cellmate and that a guard would look into the cell every 30 minutes. These procedures were not followed on the night he died. On August 9, Epstein’s cellmate was transferred, and no replacement was brought in. The evening of his death, Epstein met with his lawyers, who described him as “upbeat” before being escorted back to the SHU at 7:49 p.m. by guard Tova Noel. CCTV footage shows that the two guards failed to perform the required institutional count at 10:00 p.m. and recorded Noel briefly walking by Epstein’s cell at 10:30 p.m., the last time the guards entered the tier where his cell was located. Through the night, in violation of the jail’s normal procedure, Epstein was not checked every 30 minutes. The two guards assigned to check his cell overnight, Noel and Michael Thomas, fell asleep at their desk for about three hours and later falsified related records. Two cameras in front of Epstein’s cell also malfunctioned that night. Another camera had footage that was “unusable”.

Discovery
edit
Epstein’s body being moved to the medical examiner’s office
As the guards were distributing breakfast shortly after 6:30 a.m. on the morning of August 10, Epstein was found unresponsive in cardiac arrest in his cell. He was found in a kneeling position with a strip of bedsheet wrapped around his neck. The sheet was tied to the top of his bunk. He was believed to have been dead for about two hours by then. The guards performed CPR on Epstein, and other prisoners heard them yell “Breathe, Epstein, breathe.” At 6:33 a.m., the guards pulled an alarm, notifying their supervisor, to whom Noel said, “Epstein hung himself.” He was rushed to the New York Downtown Hospital where he was pronounced dead at 6:39 a.m. His body was transported to the medical examiner’s office soon after.

The removal of Epstein’s body from his cell was a violation of protocol, as the Bureau of Prisons (BOP) mandates that a suicide scene be treated with the “same level of protection as any crime scene in which a death has occurred”. Consequently, prison personnel also failed to photograph Epstein’s body as it was found.

—-

I don’t particularly dispute that he killed himself. It’s completely believable.

But all of these circumstances make it more or less an invitation for conspiracy theorists.
Of three cameras, two were off and one gave unusable footage? They failed to do the mandated 30 minute obs? Failed to photo the scene?
I suppose to assess whether this was suspicious we’d have to know whether it was typical for this institution to be run like shit.
How many times have you heard of someone committing suicide by hanging themselves in a kneeling position from a strip tied to furniture? Got to work with what you have I suppose.

It wasn’t suicide but all the evidence has been removed or impaired.

dv said:

But all of these circumstances make it more or less an invitation for conspiracy theorists.
Of three cameras, two were off and one gave unusable footage? They failed to do the mandated 30 minute obs? Failed to photo the scene?
I suppose to assess whether this was suspicious we’d have to know whether it was typical for this institution to be run like shit.
How many times have you heard of someone committing suicide by hanging themselves in a kneeling position from a strip tied to furniture? Got to work with what you have I suppose.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/breaking-epsteins-jail-cellmate-drops-the-massive-bombshell-that-the-first-trump/1423168193248084/

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

But all of these circumstances make it more or less an invitation for conspiracy theorists.
Of three cameras, two were off and one gave unusable footage? They failed to do the mandated 30 minute obs? Failed to photo the scene?
I suppose to assess whether this was suspicious we’d have to know whether it was typical for this institution to be run like shit.
How many times have you heard of someone committing suicide by hanging themselves in a kneeling position from a strip tied to furniture? Got to work with what you have I suppose.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/breaking-epsteins-jail-cellmate-drops-the-massive-bombshell-that-the-first-trump/1423168193248084/

But other accounts state that his roommate had been removed the night epstein apparently strangled himself by walking awayfrom his bed on his knees?

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

But all of these circumstances make it more or less an invitation for conspiracy theorists.
Of three cameras, two were off and one gave unusable footage? They failed to do the mandated 30 minute obs? Failed to photo the scene?
I suppose to assess whether this was suspicious we’d have to know whether it was typical for this institution to be run like shit.
How many times have you heard of someone committing suicide by hanging themselves in a kneeling position from a strip tied to furniture? Got to work with what you have I suppose.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/breaking-epsteins-jail-cellmate-drops-the-massive-bombshell-that-the-first-trump/1423168193248084/

But other accounts state that his roommate had been removed the night epstein apparently strangled himself by walking awayfrom his bed on his knees?

Yes, Tartaglione was removed well before that.

The question is: why was a four-time murderer with a known hatred of child sex offenders put in a cell with Epstein at any time ever?

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

But all of these circumstances make it more or less an invitation for conspiracy theorists.
Of three cameras, two were off and one gave unusable footage? They failed to do the mandated 30 minute obs? Failed to photo the scene?
I suppose to assess whether this was suspicious we’d have to know whether it was typical for this institution to be run like shit.
How many times have you heard of someone committing suicide by hanging themselves in a kneeling position from a strip tied to furniture? Got to work with what you have I suppose.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/breaking-epsteins-jail-cellmate-drops-the-massive-bombshell-that-the-first-trump/1423168193248084/

Cough, cough, cough.

There’s a UK police investigation into Prince Andrew allegedly sharing UK government trade related documents with Epstein.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

But all of these circumstances make it more or less an invitation for conspiracy theorists.
Of three cameras, two were off and one gave unusable footage? They failed to do the mandated 30 minute obs? Failed to photo the scene?
I suppose to assess whether this was suspicious we’d have to know whether it was typical for this institution to be run like shit.
How many times have you heard of someone committing suicide by hanging themselves in a kneeling position from a strip tied to furniture? Got to work with what you have I suppose.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/breaking-epsteins-jail-cellmate-drops-the-massive-bombshell-that-the-first-trump/1423168193248084/

But other accounts state that his roommate had been removed the night epstein apparently strangled himself by walking awayfrom his bed on his knees?

I know from my limited exposure to prisons in WA (not as an inmate) that cameras obscuring or not working isn’t acceptable
If he was considered a risk they should monitor them
Every appliance is tagged and stickered, so you can’t open them and take out parts to use as weapons
Even with this though one of the inmates managed to stab a prison guard in the face with a pencil
I was redacting non essential names from the investigation into the said stabbing

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/breaking-epsteins-jail-cellmate-drops-the-massive-bombshell-that-the-first-trump/1423168193248084/

But other accounts state that his roommate had been removed the night epstein apparently strangled himself by walking awayfrom his bed on his knees?

Yes, Tartaglione was removed well before that.

The question is: why was a four-time murderer with a known hatred of child sex offenders put in a cell with Epstein at any time ever?

conversion therapy

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/breaking-epsteins-jail-cellmate-drops-the-massive-bombshell-that-the-first-trump/1423168193248084/

But other accounts state that his roommate had been removed the night epstein apparently strangled himself by walking awayfrom his bed on his knees?

Yes, Tartaglione was removed well before that.

The question is: why was a four-time murderer with a known hatred of child sex offenders put in a cell with Epstein at any time ever?

That would be flagged unless they are completely incompetent.
Our systems have alerts for such circumstances, so and so can’t be in the same room, attend at the same time, etc.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/breaking-epsteins-jail-cellmate-drops-the-massive-bombshell-that-the-first-trump/1423168193248084/

But other accounts state that his roommate had been removed the night epstein apparently strangled himself by walking awayfrom his bed on his knees?

I know from my limited exposure to prisons in WA (not as an inmate) that cameras obscuring or not working isn’t acceptable
If he was considered a risk they should monitor them
Every appliance is tagged and stickered, so you can’t open them and take out parts to use as weapons
Even with this though one of the inmates managed to stab a prison guard in the face with a pencil
I was redacting non essential names from the investigation into the said stabbing

yeah you have special toothbrushes and whatnot but anyway

we know as well as yous all do from our limited exposure to the international world that many things that aren’t acceptable in Australia are plenty acceptable in USSA and indeed celebrated

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/breaking-epsteins-jail-cellmate-drops-the-massive-bombshell-that-the-first-trump/1423168193248084/

But other accounts state that his roommate had been removed the night epstein apparently strangled himself by walking awayfrom his bed on his knees?

Yes, Tartaglione was removed well before that.

The question is: why was a four-time murderer with a known hatred of child sex offenders put in a cell with Epstein at any time ever?

They likely hoped he would do the job for them. Anyway, suicide would look bettter.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

But other accounts state that his roommate had been removed the night epstein apparently strangled himself by walking awayfrom his bed on his knees?

Yes, Tartaglione was removed well before that.

The question is: why was a four-time murderer with a known hatred of child sex offenders put in a cell with Epstein at any time ever?

They likely hoped he would do the job for them. Anyway, suicide would look bettter.

That’s what Tartaglione said. That the conclusion he drew from the situation was that he had been deliberately put in the cell with Epstein, because the people in charge had an expectation that he would kill Epstein.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes, Tartaglione was removed well before that.

The question is: why was a four-time murderer with a known hatred of child sex offenders put in a cell with Epstein at any time ever?

They likely hoped he would do the job for them. Anyway, suicide would look bettter.

That’s what Tartaglione said. That the conclusion he drew from the situation was that he had been deliberately put in the cell with Epstein, because the people in charge had an expectation that he would kill Epstein.

but why didn’t he do anything then

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

But other accounts state that his roommate had been removed the night epstein apparently strangled himself by walking awayfrom his bed on his knees?

I know from my limited exposure to prisons in WA (not as an inmate) that cameras obscuring or not working isn’t acceptable
If he was considered a risk they should monitor them
Every appliance is tagged and stickered, so you can’t open them and take out parts to use as weapons
Even with this though one of the inmates managed to stab a prison guard in the face with a pencil
I was redacting non essential names from the investigation into the said stabbing

yeah you have special toothbrushes and whatnot but anyway

we know as well as yous all do from our limited exposure to the international world that many things that aren’t acceptable in Australia are plenty acceptable in USSA and indeed celebrated

That is what I was wondering
They do at times seem to create their own problems by doing things strange
Plus as a prison the supernintendo of the prison is god and even police may not be given access.
You can’t exactly force your way in

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

They likely hoped he would do the job for them. Anyway, suicide would look bettter.

That’s what Tartaglione said. That the conclusion he drew from the situation was that he had been deliberately put in the cell with Epstein, because the people in charge had an expectation that he would kill Epstein.

but why didn’t he do anything then

Internal punishment perhaps, loss of privileges and additional jail time

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

They likely hoped he would do the job for them. Anyway, suicide would look bettter.

That’s what Tartaglione said. That the conclusion he drew from the situation was that he had been deliberately put in the cell with Epstein, because the people in charge had an expectation that he would kill Epstein.

but why didn’t he do anything then

He did.

About two weeks before Epstein was ‘found dead’, he was found unconscious in the cell with injuries to his neck, and he initially declared that Tartaglione had tried to kill him. But, he later withdrew those accusations. Tartaglione was then removed from that cell.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/25/jeffrey-epstein-found-unconscious-in-jail-cell-say-reports

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

That’s what Tartaglione said. That the conclusion he drew from the situation was that he had been deliberately put in the cell with Epstein, because the people in charge had an expectation that he would kill Epstein.

but why didn’t he do anything then

He did.

About two weeks before Epstein was ‘found dead’, he was found unconscious in the cell with injuries to his neck, and he initially declared that Tartaglione had tried to kill him. But, he later withdrew those accusations. Tartaglione was then removed from that cell.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/25/jeffrey-epstein-found-unconscious-in-jail-cell-say-reports

damn this is complex

dv said:

How many times have you heard of someone committing suicide by hanging themselves in a kneeling position from a strip tied to furniture? Got to work with what you have I suppose.

Observed characteristics of suicidal hangings: an 11-year retrospective review

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22845010/

Abstract

Many studies have been published regarding suicidal hanging deaths, and most forensic pathologists and coroners are very familiar with such causes of death. Forensic pathologists are challenged over their rulings regarding manner of death in part because the general public has a limited scope of knowledge. One such challenge centers on the question of whether a hanging can be a suicide if the individual is not fully suspended. The authors designed a retrospective study to review suspension in hangings and to analyze other criteria used to help in deciding manner of death. We examined 229 suicidal hanging deaths over an 11-year period (1997 through early 2009) using the data from two separate jurisdictions in Ohio. In conclusion, we found that the vast majority (83.4%) of people who hanged themselves were found partially suspended.

esselte said:

dv said:

How many times have you heard of someone committing suicide by hanging themselves in a kneeling position from a strip tied to furniture? Got to work with what you have I suppose.

Observed characteristics of suicidal hangings: an 11-year retrospective review

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22845010/

Abstract

Many studies have been published regarding suicidal hanging deaths, and most forensic pathologists and coroners are very familiar with such causes of death. Forensic pathologists are challenged over their rulings regarding manner of death in part because the general public has a limited scope of knowledge. One such challenge centers on the question of whether a hanging can be a suicide if the individual is not fully suspended. The authors designed a retrospective study to review suspension in hangings and to analyze other criteria used to help in deciding manner of death. We examined 229 suicidal hanging deaths over an 11-year period (1997 through early 2009) using the data from two separate jurisdictions in Ohio. In conclusion, we found that the vast majority (83.4%) of people who hanged themselves were found partially suspended.

Robert Ley, Hitler’s labour minister, ‘hanged’ himself in his Nuremberg cell while sitting down.

He made a ‘rope’ from a strip of towel, tied it to a water pipe behind his toilet, sat on the toilet and tied the rope around his neck, and leaned forward to tighten the noose and strangle himself.

captain_spalding said:

esselte said:

dv said:

How many times have you heard of someone committing suicide by hanging themselves in a kneeling position from a strip tied to furniture? Got to work with what you have I suppose.

Observed characteristics of suicidal hangings: an 11-year retrospective review

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22845010/

Abstract

Many studies have been published regarding suicidal hanging deaths, and most forensic pathologists and coroners are very familiar with such causes of death. Forensic pathologists are challenged over their rulings regarding manner of death in part because the general public has a limited scope of knowledge. One such challenge centers on the question of whether a hanging can be a suicide if the individual is not fully suspended. The authors designed a retrospective study to review suspension in hangings and to analyze other criteria used to help in deciding manner of death. We examined 229 suicidal hanging deaths over an 11-year period (1997 through early 2009) using the data from two separate jurisdictions in Ohio. In conclusion, we found that the vast majority (83.4%) of people who hanged themselves were found partially suspended.

Robert Ley, Hitler’s labour minister, ‘hanged’ himself in his Nuremberg cell while sitting down.

He made a ‘rope’ from a strip of towel, tied it to a water pipe behind his toilet, sat on the toilet and tied the rope around his neck, and leaned forward to tighten the noose and strangle himself.

I imagine if you are in a cell and determined to hang yourself you’ll likely find a way.
I wonder if they get someone to check cells to see if it can be done as preventative measures

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

esselte said:

Observed characteristics of suicidal hangings: an 11-year retrospective review

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22845010/

Abstract

Many studies have been published regarding suicidal hanging deaths, and most forensic pathologists and coroners are very familiar with such causes of death. Forensic pathologists are challenged over their rulings regarding manner of death in part because the general public has a limited scope of knowledge. One such challenge centers on the question of whether a hanging can be a suicide if the individual is not fully suspended. The authors designed a retrospective study to review suspension in hangings and to analyze other criteria used to help in deciding manner of death. We examined 229 suicidal hanging deaths over an 11-year period (1997 through early 2009) using the data from two separate jurisdictions in Ohio. In conclusion, we found that the vast majority (83.4%) of people who hanged themselves were found partially suspended.

Robert Ley, Hitler’s labour minister, ‘hanged’ himself in his Nuremberg cell while sitting down.

He made a ‘rope’ from a strip of towel, tied it to a water pipe behind his toilet, sat on the toilet and tied the rope around his neck, and leaned forward to tighten the noose and strangle himself.

I imagine if you are in a cell and determined to hang yourself you’ll likely find a way.
I wonder if they get someone to check cells to see if it can be done as preventative measures

For the Nuremberg prisoners, the guards outside were under instructions to let no more than thirty seconds elapse between visual checks on any prisoner, via the peephole slot in the cell doors (the International Military Tribunal was very keen to see that they all faced trial)

The toilets were in small alcoves, just to the side of the cell. When prisoners sat on the toilet, their lower legs and feet were visible through from the cell door.

So, Ley’s guard saw nothing suspicious in Ley being on the toilet for several minutes. When he realised it was too long, it was also too late.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Robert Ley, Hitler’s labour minister, ‘hanged’ himself in his Nuremberg cell while sitting down.

He made a ‘rope’ from a strip of towel, tied it to a water pipe behind his toilet, sat on the toilet and tied the rope around his neck, and leaned forward to tighten the noose and strangle himself.

I imagine if you are in a cell and determined to hang yourself you’ll likely find a way.
I wonder if they get someone to check cells to see if it can be done as preventative measures

For the Nuremberg prisoners, the guards outside were under instructions to let no more than thirty seconds elapse between visual checks on any prisoner, via the peephole slot in the cell doors (the International Military Tribunal was very keen to see that they all faced trial)

The toilets were in small alcoves, just to the side of the cell. When prisoners sat on the toilet, their lower legs and feet were visible through from the cell door.

So, Ley’s guard saw nothing suspicious in Ley being on the toilet for several minutes. When he realised it was too long, it was also too late.

Neophyte said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I imagine if you are in a cell and determined to hang yourself you’ll likely find a way.
I wonder if they get someone to check cells to see if it can be done as preventative measures

For the Nuremberg prisoners, the guards outside were under instructions to let no more than thirty seconds elapse between visual checks on any prisoner, via the peephole slot in the cell doors (the International Military Tribunal was very keen to see that they all faced trial)

The toilets were in small alcoves, just to the side of the cell. When prisoners sat on the toilet, their lower legs and feet were visible through from the cell door.

So, Ley’s guard saw nothing suspicious in Ley being on the toilet for several minutes. When he realised it was too long, it was also too late.

If that is the cell in question then other questions arise.

Neophyte said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

I imagine if you are in a cell and determined to hang yourself you’ll likely find a way.
I wonder if they get someone to check cells to see if it can be done as preventative measures

For the Nuremberg prisoners, the guards outside were under instructions to let no more than thirty seconds elapse between visual checks on any prisoner, via the peephole slot in the cell doors (the International Military Tribunal was very keen to see that they all faced trial)

The toilets were in small alcoves, just to the side of the cell. When prisoners sat on the toilet, their lower legs and feet were visible through from the cell door.

So, Ley’s guard saw nothing suspicious in Ley being on the toilet for several minutes. When he realised it was too long, it was also too late.

I remember seeing that picture and wondering how anyone could hang themselves from that toilet.

roughbarked said:

Neophyte said:

captain_spalding said:

For the Nuremberg prisoners, the guards outside were under instructions to let no more than thirty seconds elapse between visual checks on any prisoner, via the peephole slot in the cell doors (the International Military Tribunal was very keen to see that they all faced trial)

The toilets were in small alcoves, just to the side of the cell. When prisoners sat on the toilet, their lower legs and feet were visible through from the cell door.

So, Ley’s guard saw nothing suspicious in Ley being on the toilet for several minutes. When he realised it was too long, it was also too late.

If that is the cell in question then other questions arise.

It was the best thing available.

Nuremberg was pretty badly damaged during the war, and there was a limited choice for venues for holding prisoners and conducting trials.

The Palace of Justice (Justizpalast) was, fortunately, fairly undamaged, and had an adjoining prison where the accused could be held. The court venue still required a massive repair an alteration job, and had 250 German POWs with suitable skills working on it.

The cells were made as ‘safe’ as possible (although, as has been said, human ingenuity is boundless), they were frequently searched for anything ‘naughty’, prisoners were under almost constant scrutiny, and they were moved from cell to cell to deny them access to anything they had hidden in their room.

When suicides like Ley’s happened, there was some almighty rows about it, because they really did want them all to stand trial.

The Russians had wanted to have the trials in Berlin, but the other Allies felt that Berlin was too dominated by the Russians, and voted to deny that, as it would have been too easy for Russian shenanigans there.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Neophyte said:

If that is the cell in question then other questions arise.

It was the best thing available.

Nuremberg was pretty badly damaged during the war, and there was a limited choice for venues for holding prisoners and conducting trials.

The Palace of Justice (Justizpalast) was, fortunately, fairly undamaged, and had an adjoining prison where the accused could be held. The court venue still required a massive repair an alteration job, and had 250 German POWs with suitable skills working on it.

The cells were made as ‘safe’ as possible (although, as has been said, human ingenuity is boundless), they were frequently searched for anything ‘naughty’, prisoners were under almost constant scrutiny, and they were moved from cell to cell to deny them access to anything they had hidden in their room.

When suicides like Ley’s happened, there was some almighty rows about it, because they really did want them all to stand trial.

The Russians had wanted to have the trials in Berlin, but the other Allies felt that Berlin was too dominated by the Russians, and voted to deny that, as it would have been too easy for Russian shenanigans there.

One of my questions would have been; How could the guard have only seen his feet from that window in the door?

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

But all of these circumstances make it more or less an invitation for conspiracy theorists.
Of three cameras, two were off and one gave unusable footage? They failed to do the mandated 30 minute obs? Failed to photo the scene?
I suppose to assess whether this was suspicious we’d have to know whether it was typical for this institution to be run like shit.
How many times have you heard of someone committing suicide by hanging themselves in a kneeling position from a strip tied to furniture? Got to work with what you have I suppose.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/breaking-epsteins-jail-cellmate-drops-the-massive-bombshell-that-the-first-trump/1423168193248084/

I am sure that there was something reported after Epstein’s death about a cellmate. So much gets lost in the deluge of news out of the trump regime, both times around.

roughbarked said:

One of my questions would have been; How could the guard have only seen his feet from that window in the door?

I think that the photo is a bit deceptive, and that the toilet is not set as far back as the the picture might suggest.

And, the toilet is set in an alcove, at an angle to the rest of the room, with the toilet itself hidden by the angled wall between the cell door and the toilet.

After Ley’s suicide, the guard regime was changed from 1 guard to 4 cells, to 1 guard for each cell, 2 hours on and 4 hours off, with prisoners under observation at all times.

Discussion on a meeting between Bannon, Epstein and Nowak in 2016

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18MwXEDL2y/

dv said:

Discussion on a meeting between Bannon, Epstein and Nowak in 2016

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18MwXEDL2y/

Serious hair.

dv said:

Discussion on a meeting between Bannon, Epstein and Nowak in 2016

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18MwXEDL2y/

Thanks. A few good rabbit holes from the comments. Especially the ones about Epstein’s Zorro Ranch in New Mexico.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

One of my questions would have been; How could the guard have only seen his feet from that window in the door?

I think that the photo is a bit deceptive, and that the toilet is not set as far back as the the picture might suggest.

I can see that.

In the US, key House lawmakers have pushed for more information on the sex-trafficking probe of Jeffrey Epstein and raised the prospect of new criminal prosecutions.

Speaking outside a Justice Department office after reviewing unredacted files in the Epstein inquiry, Republican Thomas Massie and Democrat Ro Khanna said they believed there are six men whose names have not been revealed who could face criminal charges. Massie said he’s willing to give Attorney General Pam Bondi more time to make their names public but signaled that he would list the names on the House floor if necessary.

Earlier in the day, Ghislaine Maxwell, the convicted accomplice of Epstein, refused to answer any questions from a House panel investigating the disgraced financier’s activities.

Bloomberg Email Newsletter

Rep. Melanie Stansbury of New Mexico:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1c2dr9WtM6/

kii said:

Rep. Melanie Stansbury of New Mexico:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1c2dr9WtM6/

it’s good that countries uphold norms of justice and the international rules based order

So various congressfolk who have been permitted to see the unredacted files have confirmed that Sultan Ahmed Bin Sulayem, an emirati businessman, was the one who likes the torture videos from Epstein. Victoria’s Secret CEO Les Wexner was a key co-conspirator in Epstein’s sex trafficking operation. Some have expressed bafflement at the decision to release the names of so many victims while disobeying the law by continuing to redact the names of people involved in the operation.

dv said:

So various congressfolk who have been permitted to see the unredacted files have confirmed that Sultan Ahmed Bin Sulayem, an emirati businessman, was the one who likes the torture videos from Epstein. Victoria’s Secret CEO Les Wexner was a key co-conspirator in Epstein’s sex trafficking operation. Some have expressed bafflement at the decision to release the names of so many victims while disobeying the law by continuing to redact the names of people involved in the operation.

damn

Some have expressed bafflement

nah bro they were totally going to go about this with integrity we’re completely astonished

A top Sydney barrister Mark Philip Dennis charged with child abuse material offences has been found dead. He was arrested by officers as he stepped off a plane from Cambodia in January after police found an image of a boy and sexualised chats with minors on his phone. He had not entered any pleas and it is expected criminal charges will be withdrawn. He had authored numerous articles on criminal law, including a 2017 publication titled Defending Child Sexual Assault in the Local Court.

The Israel connection doesn’t seem to be getting much coverage.

SCIENCE said:

A top Sydney barrister Mark Philip Dennis charged with child abuse material offences has been found dead. He was arrested by officers as he stepped off a plane from Cambodia in January after police found an image of a boy and sexualised chats with minors on his phone. He had not entered any pleas and it is expected criminal charges will be withdrawn. He had authored numerous articles on criminal law, including a 2017 publication titled Defending Child Sexual Assault in the Local Court.

It’s right that they’re withdrawing charges: dead people in custody are a real hassle to keep fresh.

Donald Trump allegedly told police in 2006 that people in New York knew about Epstein, a newly uncovered FBI interview shows.

Mr Trump has repeatedly said he was unaware of Epstein’s crimes.

In July 2006, as Epstein’s first sex crime charges became public, the police chief in Palm Beach, Florida, received a call from Mr Trump, according to the summary of a 2019 FBI interview with the police chief that was among the files.

The police chief, Michael Reiter, cited Mr Trump as having told him: “Thank goodness you’re stopping him, everyone has known he’s been doing this.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-11/trump-commerce-chief-claims-no-relationship-with-epstein/106329468

roughbarked said:

Donald Trump allegedly told police in 2006 that people in New York knew about Epstein, a newly uncovered FBI interview shows.

Mr Trump has repeatedly said he was unaware of Epstein’s crimes.

In July 2006, as Epstein’s first sex crime charges became public, the police chief in Palm Beach, Florida, received a call from Mr Trump, according to the summary of a 2019 FBI interview with the police chief that was among the files.

The police chief, Michael Reiter, cited Mr Trump as having told him: “Thank goodness you’re stopping him, everyone has known he’s been doing this.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-11/trump-commerce-chief-claims-no-relationship-with-epstein/106329468

Besides likely corruption it seems these crimes are similar to how serial killers in the USA get away with crimes for so long.
Police don’t particularly care about the victims so put in low to zero effort

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Donald Trump allegedly told police in 2006 that people in New York knew about Epstein, a newly uncovered FBI interview shows.

Mr Trump has repeatedly said he was unaware of Epstein’s crimes.

In July 2006, as Epstein’s first sex crime charges became public, the police chief in Palm Beach, Florida, received a call from Mr Trump, according to the summary of a 2019 FBI interview with the police chief that was among the files.

The police chief, Michael Reiter, cited Mr Trump as having told him: “Thank goodness you’re stopping him, everyone has known he’s been doing this.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-11/trump-commerce-chief-claims-no-relationship-with-epstein/106329468

Besides likely corruption it seems these crimes are similar to how serial killers in the USA get away with crimes for so long.
Police don’t particularly care about the victims so put in low to zero effort

but you missed the point, see, kkk is the good guy

dv said:

He’s creepy Woody Allen

https://www.normalisland.co.uk/p/tributes-pour-in-as-ghislaine-maxwell

captain_spalding said:

https://www.normalisland.co.uk/p/tributes-pour-in-as-ghislaine-maxwell

Russians do it more believably¡

captain_spalding said:

https://www.normalisland.co.uk/p/tributes-pour-in-as-ghislaine-maxwell

LOLOLOLOL

speaking of the demographics of crime

“A regular sort of bloke,” is how one of his neighbours described the 39-year-old electrician, who lived alone in a four-bedroom house on an unremarkable street in Perth’s south. His social media profiles give little insight into his depravity, with innocuous-looking posts about animals and Harry Potter, and professed interests in chess, computers, tattoos, physics and astronomy. A “loner” who “lived quite a hermit-type lifestyle” was how Sex Crime Division Detective Acting Superintendent Eamon Flanagan described him. He’d fitted dark-tinted Perspex to the windows of his Tesla, making it impossible to see inside, and made modifications to the car so it could record video of his surroundings as he drove. His lawyer had told the court his elaborate planning, including filming local children and scoping childcare centres, was research for a novel he planned to write, while the fake police badge was because of his love of dressing up.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

David Hillel Gelernter (born March 5, 1955) is an American computer scientist and writer. He is a professor of computer science at Yale University.

Gelernter is known for contributions to parallel computation in the 1980s, and for books on topics such as computed worlds (Mirror Worlds). Gelernter is also known for his belief, expressed in his book America-Lite: How Imperial Academia Dismantled Our Culture (and Ushered in the Obamacrats), that liberal academia has a destructive influence on American society. He is in addition known for his views against women in the workforce, and his rejection of the scientific consensus regarding anthropogenic climate change and evolution.

In 1993, Gelernter was sent a mail bomb by Ted Kaczynski, also known as the Unabomber. He opened it and the resulting explosion almost killed him, leaving him with permanent loss of use of his right hand as it destroyed four fingers, and permanent damage to his right eye.

After it was revealed in 2026 that Gelernter had a six-year correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein from 2009 to 2015, he was “relieved” of his teaching duties by Yale.

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Well that was a rollercoaster.

So much not-niceness in that country.

does it follow any patterns

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

well we didn’t hear that Obama was in there either so clearly these aren’t real leaders

well there you go 普温妮 really is in there after all we knew he was in on it

captain_spalding said:

dark, we know, literally, too, but

it would be nice if that filter could apply irl, f’real, seriously

captain_spalding said:

This was my favourite scene from A Space Odyssey

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

This was my favourite scene from A Space Odyssey

Black Slab would have been a better President.

Kind of scratching my head about who this could be.

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https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1FxvShxird/

This is a bit of a “connect the dots” one, but all the statements he makes are true

dv said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1FxvShxird/

This is a bit of a “connect the dots” one, but all the statements he makes are true

if a network isn’t about connecting dots what should it be

dv said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1FxvShxird/

This is a bit of a “connect the dots” one, but all the statements he makes are true

They are everywhere.

That clearly says rump people, probably a beef exporting delegation.

dv said:

That clearly says rump people, probably a beef exporting delegation.

It seems to me that the emails I see here and in news reports are all very badly written. Are these people only semi literate?

buffy said:

dv said:

That clearly says rump people, probably a beef exporting delegation.

It seems to me that the emails I see here and in news reports are all very badly written. Are these people only semi literate?

Yes.

dv said:

buffy said:

dv said:

That clearly says rump people, probably a beef exporting delegation.

It seems to me that the emails I see here and in news reports are all very badly written. Are these people only semi literate?

Yes.

When you spend so much time with teenagers, you begin to communicate like them…

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1FxvShxird/

This is a bit of a “connect the dots” one, but all the statements he makes are true

if a network isn’t about connecting dots what should it be

They are everywhere.

sadly yes

also interesting how they stalk the famous peeps that don’t really engage much with them, like how Mussolini Musk kept stalking them

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-14/entertainment-celebrities-in-epstein-files/106317858

SCIENCE said:

also interesting how they stalk the famous peeps that don’t really engage much with them, like how Mussolini Musk kept stalking them

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-14/entertainment-celebrities-in-epstein-files/106317858

Being invited to the island was a status symbol. Being included was confirmation how cool you were because rich people liked you.

Ghislaine Maxwell is in Your AI – a short video about how Maxwell’s huge karma on Reddit means she was used to train LLMs

comedian Sammy Obied saying out loud the things that aren’t being said

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z3gHFmdYZ_E

about 3 minutes.

party_pants said:

comedian Sammy Obied saying out loud the things that aren’t being said

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z3gHFmdYZ_E

about 3 minutes.

I’m just going down the rabbit hole about Kathryn Bolovac. She’s an American human rights advocate. Wrote a book about sex trafficking – The Whistleblower.
I’m dithering about paying Prime to watch a movie based on her work.

There’s an entry relating to Australia in the files. I haven’t read it yet (my eyes aren’t awake).
John Olsen, the mayor of Kadina in South Australia, is one name mentioned.
28 pages

In Советских America, Computers New In 2005

If you haven’t already it’s worth reading about this place, the weird “town” attached to the place , who bought the ranch after Epstein’s death.

From Meidastouch…

BREAKING: New Mexico lawmakers have unanimously approved a full investigation into Jeffrey Epstein’s Zorro Ranch — the first comprehensive probe into what happened at the 7,600-acre property where survivors say trafficking and abuse occurred for decades.

A bipartisan “truth commission” with subpoena power will hear survivor testimony, identify who knew, and examine potential political ties.

This $2.5M investigation could lead to future prosecutions and finally shine a light on what federal probes overlooked.

alleged

https://www.surrey.police.uk/news/surrey/news/2026/02—-february/allegations-of-non-recent-sexual-abuse-relating-to-the-release-of-documents-by-the-us-department-of-justice/

Allegations of non-recent sexual abuse relating to the release of documents by the US Department of Justice
Main article content
News
Published:
12:21
18/02/2026
Following the US Department of Justice Epstein file release in December 2025, Surrey Police became aware of a redacted report alleging non-recent human trafficking and sexual assaults on a minor in Virginia Water, Surrey between 1994 – 1996.

After reviewing our systems using the limited information available to us, we found no evidence of these allegations being reported to Surrey Police. We therefore encourage anyone with information in relation to these allegations to report this to us online, or via 101.

We take all reports of child and sexual abuse seriously and therefore, as with any other matter, should new and relevant information be brought to our attention, including any information resulting from the release of materials in the US, we will assess it.

Where relevant, and via the national coordination group, we will engage with law enforcement agencies to obtain access to further information which may support our enquiries.

It is important that any information is reviewed objectively and without speculation. Updates therefore will be provided only when available – and will be shared on this page.

—-

BLTN I suppose

dv said:

can’t believe they’re about to blow up Iran and start world war 3 just to draw attention away from their indiscretions

Link

I’m about 30 minutes in and I keep wondering what these people feel about Epstein and Trump etc.

BBC News World Service
The Darkest Web: Inside the internet’s most hidden corners to save kids.

kii said:

Link

I’m about 30 minutes in and I keep wondering what these people feel about Epstein and Trump etc.

BBC News World Service
The Darkest Web: Inside the internet’s most hidden corners to save kids.

speaking of dark web

The DEF CON hacker conference has banned three people involved with the organization whose names appeared in recently released Justice Department files that exposed their ties to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-20/bill-gates-pulls-out-of-india-ai-summit-amid-epstein-scrutiny/106366684

I do wonder what role he played in Epstein’s empire.

Wasn’t it Fergie’s accountant who was seen sucking her toes?
She and Andy were probably both playing Epstein’s money game as well as having rampant sex romps?

roughbarked said:

Wasn’t it Fergie’s accountant who was seen sucking her toes?
She and Andy were probably both playing Epstein’s money game as well as having rampant sex romps?

Manifestation of too much cringe.

Cringing is an involuntary, often physical, reaction of intense embarrassment, discomfort, or social anxiety, commonly triggered by observing someone else’s awkward actions or recalling one’s own past mistakes. It involves a, shrinking, flinching, or grimacing response, often described as secondhand embarrassment.

Key Aspects of Cringing:

• Physical Response: The body reacts by flinching, cowering, or bending, stemming from the Middle English cringan (“to fall or bend”).

• Emotional Trigger: It is caused by awkward, cringe-worthy, or humiliating situations, often termed “cringe-inducing” or “cringey”.
• Social & Psychological: Often linked to high self-consciousness or empathy, where one feels embarrassment on behalf of others (vicarious embarrassment).
• Cultural Context: In some contexts, it refers to acting in a servile or fawning manner (cowering).
• Management: To manage “cringe attacks” or memories, experts suggest accepting, acknowledging, or laughing about the past behavior.

Synonyms: Flinch, cower, recoil, shy away, squirm.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Wasn’t it Fergie’s accountant who was seen sucking her toes?
She and Andy were probably both playing Epstein’s money game as well as having rampant sex romps?

Manifestation of too much cringe.

Cringing is an involuntary, often physical, reaction of intense embarrassment, discomfort, or social anxiety, commonly triggered by observing someone else’s awkward actions or recalling one’s own past mistakes. It involves a, shrinking, flinching, or grimacing response, often described as secondhand embarrassment.

Key Aspects of Cringing:

• Physical Response: The body reacts by flinching, cowering, or bending, stemming from the Middle English cringan (“to fall or bend”).

• Emotional Trigger: It is caused by awkward, cringe-worthy, or humiliating situations, often termed “cringe-inducing” or “cringey”.
• Social & Psychological: Often linked to high self-consciousness or empathy, where one feels embarrassment on behalf of others (vicarious embarrassment).
• Cultural Context: In some contexts, it refers to acting in a servile or fawning manner (cowering).
• Management: To manage “cringe attacks” or memories, experts suggest accepting, acknowledging, or laughing about the past behavior.

Synonyms: Flinch, cower, recoil, shy away, squirm.

Just like he did in the car while been driven away.

I didn’t do that…

Cringe, cringe.

No I didn’t…

Cringe.

Not guilty.

Cringe.

I have to say, if i was in a position to do it, i’d be calling for fingerprints, DNA tests, blood samples, body measurements, everything.

captain_spalding said:

I have to say, if i was in a position to do it, i’d be calling for fingerprints, DNA tests, blood samples, body measurements, everything.

Who is the person on the left?

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I have to say, if i was in a position to do it, i’d be calling for fingerprints, DNA tests, blood samples, body measurements, everything.

Who is the person on the left?

A hand model.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I have to say, if i was in a position to do it, i’d be calling for fingerprints, DNA tests, blood samples, body measurements, everything.

Who is the person on the left?

what happens when you can’t drink the blood of babies for 3 years

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I have to say, if i was in a position to do it, i’d be calling for fingerprints, DNA tests, blood samples, body measurements, everything.

Who is the person on the left?

They are both Ghislaine Maxwell. Left, in captivity, right, in the wild.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I have to say, if i was in a position to do it, i’d be calling for fingerprints, DNA tests, blood samples, body measurements, everything.

Who is the person on the left?

A hand model.

I notice that the person on the left is wearing a men’s short sleeve prison shirt (https://www.unicor.gov/Product.aspx?idProduct=1690) as made by the Federal Prisons Industries programme (now known as ‘Unicor), and not a women’s short sleeve blouse (https://www.unicor.gov/Product.aspx?idProduct=1694).

Not sure what that might suggest.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I have to say, if i was in a position to do it, i’d be calling for fingerprints, DNA tests, blood samples, body measurements, everything.

Who is the person on the left?

They are both Ghislaine Maxwell. Left, in captivity, right, in the wild.

Ah, so it might be a body double you reckon, and the real Ghislaine is living it up somewhere else…

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I have to say, if i was in a position to do it, i’d be calling for fingerprints, DNA tests, blood samples, body measurements, everything.

Who is the person on the left?

They are both Ghislaine Maxwell. Left, in captivity, right, in the wild.

I knew her dad was in publishing, but I didn’t know he was instrumental in the scientific community for networking, getting scientific journals out of Cold War countries, and pioneering profitable science publishing. It was built on exploitation and extreme profiteering, but his contributions brought us to this point.

Bit like William Dampier who hitched rides on pirate ships and participated in plundering in order to forward the science of botany research. (If they’d taught us that side of him at school, history would have been a lot more interesting!)

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

I have to say, if i was in a position to do it, i’d be calling for fingerprints, DNA tests, blood samples, body measurements, everything.

Who is the person on the left?

ego-crushed humiliated traumatized version

what about people who take serum from their offspring and inject it to revitalise themselves

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Who is the person on the left?

They are both Ghislaine Maxwell. Left, in captivity, right, in the wild.

Ah, so it might be a body double you reckon, and the real Ghislaine is living it up somewhere else…

There are some out there suggesting that that (or something like that) is the case.

How good would have been for those young girls to meet a real Prince, a real Prince charming.
Phoaw, it doesn’t get much better than that.

Peak Warming Man said:

How good would have been for those young girls to meet a real Prince, a real Prince charming.
Phoaw, it doesn’t get much better than that.

Except he doesn’t sweat.

The Royal Family are reported to be devastated after Prince Andrew’s car crash next Wednesday.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Royal Family are reported to be devastated after Prince Andrew’s car crash next Wednesday.

chuckle

highly inappropriate humor, you should be ashamed.

transition said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Royal Family are reported to be devastated after Prince Andrew’s car crash next Wednesday.

chuckle

highly inappropriate humor, you should be ashamed.

indeed. Why would the Royal Family choose a car crash twice?

Peak Warming Man said:

The Royal Family are reported to be devastated after Prince Andrew’s car crash next Wednesday.

Ha!

roughbarked said:

transition said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Royal Family are reported to be devastated after Prince Andrew’s car crash next Wednesday.

chuckle

highly inappropriate humor, you should be ashamed.

indeed. Why would the Royal Family choose a car crash twice?

Hard to blame a ‘suspicious’ heart attack on the paparazzi.

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

transition said:

chuckle

highly inappropriate humor, you should be ashamed.

indeed. Why would the Royal Family choose a car crash twice?

Hard to blame a ‘suspicious’ heart attack on the paparazzi.

:)

Horror allegation puts Epstein’s remote ranch back in focus

Andrew Hay
February 20, 2026 — 3:30pm

New Mexico’s Department of Justice said the state is investigating an allegation, which emerged from documents released by the US Department of Justice, that the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein ordered the bodies of two foreign girls buried outside his remote New Mexico ranch.

The state’s Department of Justice spokesperson Lauren Rodriguez said on Wednesday (US time) that it had requested an unredacted copy of a 2019 email from the US Justice Department that contained the allegation.

The US Justice Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The FBI declined to comment.

“We are actively investigating this allegation and are conducting a broader review in light of the latest release from the US Department of Justice,” Rodriguez said in an emailed response to queries about the case.

A day earlier, New Mexico’s legislature launched the first comprehensive investigation into accusations that Epstein sexually abused girls and women at the Zorro Ranch, 48 kilometres south of Santa Fe, for more than two decades.

In 2019, after Epstein’s death, a woman identified as Jane Doe said in court that he had molested her at Zorro Ranch in 2004 when she was 15. The woman recalled feeling small and powerless, describing how he had laid her on the floor so she was confronted by all the framed photographs on his dresser of him smiling with wealthy celebrities and politicians.

Pressure from Congressional Democrats to uncover Epstein’s crimes has become a major political challenge for US President Donald Trump.

The redacted email, contained in the latest release of Epstein-related documents, had been sent a few months after Epstein’s death to Eddy Aragon, a New Mexico radio show host who had discussed the Zorro Ranch on his program.

The sender, claiming to be a former Zorro Ranch employee, requested payment of one bitcoin in return for videos that the email said had been taken from Epstein’s house and showed the financier having sex with minors.

Aragon said in a phone interview that he believed the email to be legitimate and immediately forwarded it to the FBI.

He said he did not receive any payment from or have any further contact with the sender, although he recently tried to respond for the first time, but the address was no longer in service.

The redacted email to Aragon said two foreign girls had been buried on Epstein’s orders “somewhere in the hills outside the Zorro” and that the two had died “by strangulation during rough, fetish sex”.

A 2021 FBI report, also contained in the latest Epstein file release, said Aragon visited an FBI office to report the email, which offered seven videos of sexual abuse and the location of two foreign girls buried on Zorro Ranch in return for one bitcoin.

A Reuters search of other documents among the Department of Justice’s disclosures did not find any other references to the allegations in the redacted email or what investigators made of its claims.

The Justice Department warned last year that some of the files it disclosed from its investigation of Epstein “contain untrue and sensationalist claims”, and that they include anonymous accusations that investigators did not corroborate, or in some cases determined to be false.

In an interview this week, New Mexico State Land Commissioner Stephanie Garcia Richard said her office had found the redacted email during a recent search of the latest Epstein file release.

Garcia, in a February 10 letter to the US Justice Department and a statement, called on federal and state justice officials to fully investigate “deeply disturbing” allegations of criminality at the ranch and state lands adjacent to it.

“People deserve to know the truth about what happened on Epstein’s ranch and are looking to leaders for answers,” Garcia Richard said in a statement.

Richard cancelled grazing leases held by the ranch in 2019 after her office was denied access to inspect the nearly five square kilometres around the site that Epstein had leased since 1993.

The property was sold by Epstein’s estate in 2023, with proceeds going to creditors, to the family of Don Huffines, a Republican running for Texas state comptroller.

In a social media post, Huffines said the property has been renamed San Rafael Ranch after a saint associated with healing and that his family plans to operate a Christian retreat there.

A spokesperson for Huffines has said that the owners have never been approached by local, state or federal law enforcement requesting access to the ranch and if they do, full co-operation will be granted.

Ranch appears in files many times
There are thousands of references to the ranch in the documents released by federal authorities.

New Mexico’s Democratic former governor, Bill Richardson, was among the guests to have visited the ranch.

Following one of the early investigations into the disgraced financier, Richardson donated $US50,000 ($71,000) in 2006 election campaign contributions from Epstein to charity.

Emails and schedules recently released by federal authorities also show that a long list of entrepreneurs, actors and scientists were invited to the ranch over the years, including Woody Allen, Robert Redford, Reid Hoffman, Joi Ito and Peter Thiel.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/horror-allegation-puts-epstein-s-remote-ranch-back-in-focus-20260220-p5o40b.html

sorry we missed earlier sorry if repost

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2026/02/flawed-epstein-files-disclosures-undermine-accountability-grave-crimes

calling it like it is

The so-called ‘Epstein Files’ contain disturbing and credible evidence of systematic and large-scale sexual abuse, trafficking and exploitation of women and girls, UN experts* said today. According to the experts, these acts could amount to sexual slavery, reproductive violence, enforced disappearance, torture, inhuman and degrading treatment, and femicide. “So grave is the scale, nature, systematic character, and transnational reach of these atrocities against women and girls, that a number of them may reasonably meet the legal threshold of crimes against humanity,” they said.

Under international criminal law, crimes against humanity occur when acts such as sexual slavery, rape, enforced prostitution, trafficking, persecution, torture, or murder are committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack against a civilian population with, with knowledge of the attack. The experts warned the components reported patterns may meet this threshold and these crimes must be prosecuted in all competent national and international courts.

all right let’s go let’s see how the bastion of the international rules-based order upholds it

SCIENCE said:

sorry we missed earlier sorry if repost

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2026/02/flawed-epstein-files-disclosures-undermine-accountability-grave-crimes

calling it like it is

The so-called ‘Epstein Files’ contain disturbing and credible evidence of systematic and large-scale sexual abuse, trafficking and exploitation of women and girls, UN experts* said today. According to the experts, these acts could amount to sexual slavery, reproductive violence, enforced disappearance, torture, inhuman and degrading treatment, and femicide. “So grave is the scale, nature, systematic character, and transnational reach of these atrocities against women and girls, that a number of them may reasonably meet the legal threshold of crimes against humanity,” they said.

Under international criminal law, crimes against humanity occur when acts such as sexual slavery, rape, enforced prostitution, trafficking, persecution, torture, or murder are committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack against a civilian population with, with knowledge of the attack. The experts warned the components reported patterns may meet this threshold and these crimes must be prosecuted in all competent national and international courts.

all right let’s go let’s see how the bastion of the international rules-based order upholds it

The sexual things are awful and utterly repugnant.

But, another story, at least as big, and possibly with wider ramifications, is the money.

There’s lots of money involved. Shitloads of it, staggering sums. Accounts all over the place, with big, big amounts of moolah.

Who had, or has, access to those accounts? Who has been, or still is, putting money into and taking money out of those accounts?

Some heads may roll over the sexual crimes. But, there may be people not yet on the radar who see the ‘sacrifice’ of those people as a cheap price to pay for protecting the money.

captain_spalding said:

Snigger.

I’ve confirmed this is real. It’s from Cosmopolitan in 1980.

I am not sure about this one.

NYT seems to do ragebait headlines now.

The article is actually making the case that if the justice system was working properly this would not have been necessary.

dv said:

NYT seems to do ragebait headlines now.

The article is actually making the case that if the justice system was working properly this would not have been necessary.

What if the justice system is part of the coverup
It would be a very good place to operate a child sex ring from

Cymek said:

dv said:

NYT seems to do ragebait headlines now.

The article is actually making the case that if the justice system was working properly this would not have been necessary.

What if the justice system is part of the coverup
It would be a very good place to operate a child sex ring from

Child sex rings go into high places.

Cymek said:

dv said:

NYT seems to do ragebait headlines now.

The article is actually making the case that if the justice system was working properly this would not have been necessary.

What if the justice system is part of the coverup
It would be a very good place to operate a child sex ring from

“what if”

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

NYT seems to do ragebait headlines now.

The article is actually making the case that if the justice system was working properly this would not have been necessary.

What if the justice system is part of the coverup
It would be a very good place to operate a child sex ring from

Child sex rings go into high places.

ORLY?
Wow…🙄

kii said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

What if the justice system is part of the coverup
It would be a very good place to operate a child sex ring from

Child sex rings go into high places.

ORLY?
Wow…🙄

Thdere’s nothing wow about it.

kii said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

What if the justice system is part of the coverup
It would be a very good place to operate a child sex ring from

Child sex rings go into high places.

ORLY?
Wow…🙄

why, are they tower bells

roughbarked said:

kii said:

roughbarked said:

Child sex rings go into high places.

ORLY?
Wow…🙄

Thdere’s nothing wow about it.

why not, if they’re all over Roblox why wouldn’t they also infest World of Warcraft and the like

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

NYT seems to do ragebait headlines now.

The article is actually making the case that if the justice system was working properly this would not have been necessary.

What if the justice system is part of the coverup
It would be a very good place to operate a child sex ring from

“what if”

Ok, it is for sure.
Plus as part of their job they have access to photo and videos so a sex offender judiciary is protected.
Most obviously aren’t but those that are would be hard to convict.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

kii said:

ORLY?
Wow…🙄

Thdere’s nothing wow about it.

why not, if they’re all over Roblox why wouldn’t they also infest World of Warcraft and the like

It’s predatory to the point just that sort of behaviour is sickening let alone whom they target

roughbarked said:

kii said:

roughbarked said:

Child sex rings go into high places.

ORLY?
Wow…🙄

Thdere’s nothing wow about it.

There is something “wow” about you stating the fucking obvious. Again.

kii said:

roughbarked said:

kii said:

ORLY?
Wow…🙄

Thdere’s nothing wow about it.

There is something “wow” about you stating the fucking obvious. Again.

LOL 🐰🐰

kii said:

roughbarked said:

kii said:

ORLY?
Wow…🙄

Thdere’s nothing wow about it.

There is something “wow” about you stating the fucking obvious. Again.

Not as big a ‘wow’ as your fixation with various forumites.

JudgeMental said:

kii said:

roughbarked said:

Thdere’s nothing wow about it.

There is something “wow” about you stating the fucking obvious. Again.

LOL 🐰🐰

Oh looky, the creepy stalker has arrived right on time.

kii said:

JudgeMental said:

kii said:

There is something “wow” about you stating the fucking obvious. Again.

LOL 🐰🐰

Oh looky, the creepy stalker has arrived right on time.

FMD… The ironing is strong in this one.

Witty Rejoinder said:

kii said:

roughbarked said:

Thdere’s nothing wow about it.

There is something “wow” about you stating the fucking obvious. Again.

Not as big a ‘wow’ as your fixation with various forumites.

wait we thought the trouble with these files was that the fucking wasn’t obvious

Witty Rejoinder said:

kii said:

roughbarked said:

Thdere’s nothing wow about it.

There is something “wow” about you stating the fucking obvious. Again.

Not as big a ‘wow’ as your fixation with various forumites.

it’s how status works, pick on the ones who put up the least fight

kii said:

roughbarked said:

kii said:

ORLY?
Wow…🙄

Thdere’s nothing wow about it.

There is something “wow” about you stating the fucking obvious. Again.

no there isn’t.

SCIENCE said:

wait we thought the trouble with these files was that the fucking wasn’t obvious

Obviously redacted.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

wait we thought the trouble with these files was that the fucking wasn’t obvious

Obviously redacted.

wait so all those Blackout Tuesday pictures were just Epstein Files references

Every new file drop brings at least a whisper of validation to QAnon’s core contentions. Even the absurd grotesque of financial vampires leaching adrenachrome from young bodies acquires grounding upon the news that Epstein cast about for “life extension” techniques and had lively and lascivious communications with Peter Attia, “longevity craze” influencer and newly minted CBS contributor. (A keto diet enthusiast, Attia once confirmed to Epstein, “Pussy is, indeed, low carb. Still awaiting results on gluten content, though.”)

https://newrepublic.com/article/206808/jeffrey-epstein-academia-democracy-corruption

hey remember when Galax-Arena was just fiction

turns out it was just bowdlerised fact

The inclusion of the state law is excellent. I know one person, Mr PTSD, who got fined for removing a descansos from the area in front of his house in NM. But then he’s an arrogant and racist prick.

From the The 50501 Movement Facebook page:

The memorial at the gate to Zorro Ranch to acknowledge the suffering of women in NM
Better late than never. New Mexico is investigating Epstein crimes here.

I do wonder if most of the world ills would cease if men were wiped out

We shame our gender with our actions.
Not all of us obviously but enough to cause terrible problems worldwide

Cymek said:

I do wonder if most of the world ills would cease if men were wiped out

We shame our gender with our actions.
Not all of us obviously but enough to cause terrible problems worldwide

well there wouldn’t be any more humans after 150 years

actually pretty sure the remaining humans would be able to assisted reproductive technology out of that limitation

Cymek said:

I do wonder if most of the world ills would cease if men were wiped out

We shame our gender with our actions.
Not all of us obviously but enough to cause terrible problems worldwide

It sounds like you’re expressing deep frustration — maybe even grief — about harm, violence, or systemic problems that are disproportionately caused by men. That feeling is understandable. But the idea of wiping out an entire gender moves into harmful territory and doesn’t really address the root causes.

Large-scale social problems aren’t caused by biology alone — they’re shaped by culture, power structures, socialisation, trauma, inequality, and systems that reward aggression or dominance. Many men actively work against those harms, and many women can also perpetuate harmful systems. It’s more about norms and structures than chromosomes.

When people say something like this, it’s often shorthand for:

Anger at gendered violence

Exhaustion with misogyny

Frustration at systemic inequality

Shame about male behaviour

Those are serious, valid concerns. But solutions tend to focus on:

Changing social norms

Accountability and justice

Healthier models of masculinity

Early emotional education

Structural reform

(ChatGPT)

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

I do wonder if most of the world ills would cease if men were wiped out

We shame our gender with our actions.
Not all of us obviously but enough to cause terrible problems worldwide

It sounds like you’re expressing deep frustration — maybe even grief — about harm, violence, or systemic problems that are disproportionately caused by men. That feeling is understandable. But the idea of wiping out an entire gender moves into harmful territory and doesn’t really address the root causes.

Large-scale social problems aren’t caused by biology alone — they’re shaped by culture, power structures, socialisation, trauma, inequality, and systems that reward aggression or dominance. Many men actively work against those harms, and many women can also perpetuate harmful systems. It’s more about norms and structures than chromosomes.

When people say something like this, it’s often shorthand for:

Anger at gendered violence

Exhaustion with misogyny

Frustration at systemic inequality

Shame about male behaviour

Those are serious, valid concerns. But solutions tend to focus on:

Changing social norms

Accountability and justice

Healthier models of masculinity

Early emotional education

Structural reform

(ChatGPT)

I know its not that simple, getting rid of us men.
Might is still right most of the time, a very outdated concept.
I do wonder if genetically engineered men with less aggression would help
Are we a prisoner of our biology and doomed to repeat it until we wipe ourselves out.
Emotionally maturity certainly would help

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

I do wonder if most of the world ills would cease if men were wiped out

We shame our gender with our actions.
Not all of us obviously but enough to cause terrible problems worldwide

It sounds like you’re expressing deep frustration — maybe even grief — about harm, violence, or systemic problems that are disproportionately caused by men. That feeling is understandable. But the idea of wiping out an entire gender moves into harmful territory and doesn’t really address the root causes.

Large-scale social problems aren’t caused by biology alone — they’re shaped by culture, power structures, socialisation, trauma, inequality, and systems that reward aggression or dominance. Many men actively work against those harms, and many women can also perpetuate harmful systems. It’s more about norms and structures than chromosomes.

When people say something like this, it’s often shorthand for:

Anger at gendered violence

Exhaustion with misogyny

Frustration at systemic inequality

Shame about male behaviour

Those are serious, valid concerns. But solutions tend to focus on:

Changing social norms

Accountability and justice

Healthier models of masculinity

Early emotional education

Structural reform

(ChatGPT)

I know its not that simple, getting rid of us men.
Might is still right most of the time, a very outdated concept.
I do wonder if genetically engineered men with less aggression would help
Are we a prisoner of our biology and doomed to repeat it until we wipe ourselves out.
Emotionally maturity certainly would help

Emotional control leads to emotional intelligence.

We still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.
Which I find frustrating that we still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.

Numbers range from 27 to 154

University of Berkeley lists 27

HUMAINE’s proposal for EARL lists 49

The Book of Human Emotions by Tiffany Watt Smith listed 154 different worldwide emotions and feelings.

It’s an interesting area for consideration we are born with about 6 basic emotions and more are learnt through life. Not every one will have the same number of emotions but there would be an average, but everyone is different.

Wikipedia – Emotion
Wikipedia – Emotion classification

So one can imagine that controlling up to 154 emotions both positive and negative can be very difficult for a lot of people.

Emotional intelligence means being aware of all those emotions and being able to control them.

We need a more accurate list of emotions.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Divine Angel said:

It sounds like you’re expressing deep frustration — maybe even grief — about harm, violence, or systemic problems that are disproportionately caused by men. That feeling is understandable. But the idea of wiping out an entire gender moves into harmful territory and doesn’t really address the root causes.

Large-scale social problems aren’t caused by biology alone — they’re shaped by culture, power structures, socialisation, trauma, inequality, and systems that reward aggression or dominance. Many men actively work against those harms, and many women can also perpetuate harmful systems. It’s more about norms and structures than chromosomes.

When people say something like this, it’s often shorthand for:

Anger at gendered violence

Exhaustion with misogyny

Frustration at systemic inequality

Shame about male behaviour

Those are serious, valid concerns. But solutions tend to focus on:

Changing social norms

Accountability and justice

Healthier models of masculinity

Early emotional education

Structural reform

(ChatGPT)

I know its not that simple, getting rid of us men.
Might is still right most of the time, a very outdated concept.
I do wonder if genetically engineered men with less aggression would help
Are we a prisoner of our biology and doomed to repeat it until we wipe ourselves out.
Emotionally maturity certainly would help

Emotional control leads to emotional intelligence.

We still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.
Which I find frustrating that we still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.

Numbers range from 27 to 154

University of Berkeley lists 27

HUMAINE’s proposal for EARL lists 49

The Book of Human Emotions by Tiffany Watt Smith listed 154 different worldwide emotions and feelings.

It’s an interesting area for consideration we are born with about 6 basic emotions and more are learnt through life. Not every one will have the same number of emotions but there would be an average, but everyone is different.

Wikipedia – Emotion
Wikipedia – Emotion classification

So one can imagine that controlling up to 154 emotions both positive and negative can be very difficult for a lot of people.

Emotional intelligence means being aware of all those emotions and being able to control them.

We need a more accurate list of emotions.

Jealously leads to a lot of DV, real or imagined infidelity , combined with substances use, lack of control seems to occur.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Emotional control leads to emotional intelligence.

We still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.
Which I find frustrating that we still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.

Numbers range from 27 to 154

University of Berkeley lists 27

HUMAINE’s proposal for EARL lists 49

The Book of Human Emotions by Tiffany Watt Smith listed 154 different worldwide emotions and feelings.

It’s an interesting area for consideration we are born with about 6 basic emotions and more are learnt through life. Not every one will have the same number of emotions but there would be an average, but everyone is different.

Wikipedia – Emotion
Wikipedia – Emotion classification

So one can imagine that controlling up to 154 emotions both positive and negative can be very difficult for a lot of people.

Emotional intelligence means being aware of all those emotions and being able to control them.

We need a more accurate list of emotions.

I have this, does that help?

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Emotional control leads to emotional intelligence.

We still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.
Which I find frustrating that we still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.

Numbers range from 27 to 154

University of Berkeley lists 27

HUMAINE’s proposal for EARL lists 49

The Book of Human Emotions by Tiffany Watt Smith listed 154 different worldwide emotions and feelings.

It’s an interesting area for consideration we are born with about 6 basic emotions and more are learnt through life. Not every one will have the same number of emotions but there would be an average, but everyone is different.

Wikipedia – Emotion
Wikipedia – Emotion classification

So one can imagine that controlling up to 154 emotions both positive and negative can be very difficult for a lot of people.

Emotional intelligence means being aware of all those emotions and being able to control them.

We need a more accurate list of emotions.

I have this, does that help?

someone told us there were just two axes and the rest was situational flavouring

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Emotional control leads to emotional intelligence.

We still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.
Which I find frustrating that we still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.

Numbers range from 27 to 154

University of Berkeley lists 27

HUMAINE’s proposal for EARL lists 49

The Book of Human Emotions by Tiffany Watt Smith listed 154 different worldwide emotions and feelings.

It’s an interesting area for consideration we are born with about 6 basic emotions and more are learnt through life. Not every one will have the same number of emotions but there would be an average, but everyone is different.

Wikipedia – Emotion
Wikipedia – Emotion classification

So one can imagine that controlling up to 154 emotions both positive and negative can be very difficult for a lot of people.

Emotional intelligence means being aware of all those emotions and being able to control them.

We need a more accurate list of emotions.

I have this, does that help?

someone told us there were just two axes and the rest was situational flavouring

“Situational flavouring” – love it

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

I have this, does that help?

someone told us there were just two axes and the rest was situational flavouring

“Situational flavouring” – love it

the 2 axes were meant to be passive-active and good-bad

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

I know its not that simple, getting rid of us men.
Might is still right most of the time, a very outdated concept.
I do wonder if genetically engineered men with less aggression would help
Are we a prisoner of our biology and doomed to repeat it until we wipe ourselves out.
Emotionally maturity certainly would help

Emotional control leads to emotional intelligence.

We still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.
Which I find frustrating that we still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.

Numbers range from 27 to 154

University of Berkeley lists 27

HUMAINE’s proposal for EARL lists 49

The Book of Human Emotions by Tiffany Watt Smith listed 154 different worldwide emotions and feelings.

It’s an interesting area for consideration we are born with about 6 basic emotions and more are learnt through life. Not every one will have the same number of emotions but there would be an average, but everyone is different.

Wikipedia – Emotion
Wikipedia – Emotion classification

So one can imagine that controlling up to 154 emotions both positive and negative can be very difficult for a lot of people.

Emotional intelligence means being aware of all those emotions and being able to control them.

We need a more accurate list of emotions.

Jealously leads to a lot of DV, real or imagined infidelity , combined with substances use, lack of control seems to occur.

Yes, and it’s possible that a lot of people are poorly aware of their emotions and therefore will have problems regulating them. Substance use effects emotional stability which can also lead to poor emotional control. Some emotions can have very strong physical responses. Having poor emotional control can lead to emotional violence which can then escalate to physical violence.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Emotional control leads to emotional intelligence.

We still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.
Which I find frustrating that we still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.

Numbers range from 27 to 154

University of Berkeley lists 27

HUMAINE’s proposal for EARL lists 49

The Book of Human Emotions by Tiffany Watt Smith listed 154 different worldwide emotions and feelings.

It’s an interesting area for consideration we are born with about 6 basic emotions and more are learnt through life. Not every one will have the same number of emotions but there would be an average, but everyone is different.

Wikipedia – Emotion
Wikipedia – Emotion classification

So one can imagine that controlling up to 154 emotions both positive and negative can be very difficult for a lot of people.

Emotional intelligence means being aware of all those emotions and being able to control them.

We need a more accurate list of emotions.

Jealously leads to a lot of DV, real or imagined infidelity , combined with substances use, lack of control seems to occur.

Yes, and it’s possible that a lot of people are poorly aware of their emotions and therefore will have problems regulating them. Substance use effects emotional stability which can also lead to poor emotional control. Some emotions can have very strong physical responses. Having poor emotional control can lead to emotional violence which can then escalate to physical violence.

we thought most of it was about controlling others instead of controlling oneself

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Emotional control leads to emotional intelligence.

We still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.
Which I find frustrating that we still cannot agree on exactly how many emotions humans have.

Numbers range from 27 to 154

University of Berkeley lists 27

HUMAINE’s proposal for EARL lists 49

The Book of Human Emotions by Tiffany Watt Smith listed 154 different worldwide emotions and feelings.

It’s an interesting area for consideration we are born with about 6 basic emotions and more are learnt through life. Not every one will have the same number of emotions but there would be an average, but everyone is different.

Wikipedia – Emotion
Wikipedia – Emotion classification

So one can imagine that controlling up to 154 emotions both positive and negative can be very difficult for a lot of people.

Emotional intelligence means being aware of all those emotions and being able to control them.

We need a more accurate list of emotions.

I have this, does that help?

Good list there’s around 78 emotions listed in that one.

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Jealously leads to a lot of DV, real or imagined infidelity , combined with substances use, lack of control seems to occur.

Yes, and it’s possible that a lot of people are poorly aware of their emotions and therefore will have problems regulating them. Substance use effects emotional stability which can also lead to poor emotional control. Some emotions can have very strong physical responses. Having poor emotional control can lead to emotional violence which can then escalate to physical violence.

we thought most of it was about controlling others instead of controlling oneself

The world might be a better place to live in if people stopped controlling others and instead learnt to control themselves.

SCIENCE said:

Divine Angel said:

SCIENCE said:

someone told us there were just two axes and the rest was situational flavouring

“Situational flavouring” – love it

the 2 axes were meant to be passive-active and good-bad

Tau.Neutrino said:

Yes, and it’s possible that a lot of people are poorly aware of their emotions and therefore will have problems regulating them. Substance use effects emotional stability which can also lead to poor emotional control. Some emotions can have very strong physical responses. Having poor emotional control can lead to emotional violence which can then escalate to physical violence.

As it happens, I’m writing about this in my assignment right now, but in the context of autistic students.

Emotional dysregulation is a common autistic characteristic, which often leads to behavioural problems. In the particular scenario I’m writing about, Oscar runs away from school whenever he feels overwhelmed. The cognitive processes present as things like alexithymia, rumination, and a desire to feel safe (or at least, away from the stimuli). When a kid (because obviously my context is children) becomes dysregulated, they will act out in a variety of ways, usually by shouting or hitting/kicking/punching etc.

It is suggested that by identifying emotions, one is more able to self-regulate (with practice) leading to better mental health and social communication outcomes. (For the record, it is rumination which can lead to co-occurring conditions such as PTSD in ASD individuals.) For example, someone can identify they’re angry, and then use a strategy for anger. The other day, the behaviour teacher recommended sticking one’s head under a tap to literally cool off when angry. Anxiety can use mindfulness techniques. (Sometimes, even adults can use a little help when identifying and following techniques to regulate again.)

Hence, my wheel of emotions. It has two main functions: 1) helps kids to identify what they’re feeling, even if they’re unable to express it verbally; and 2) great for kids when they’re looking adjectives, synonyms etc. This is mainly used for older kids, for younger kids I have the Zone of Regulation chart.

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Yes, and it’s possible that a lot of people are poorly aware of their emotions and therefore will have problems regulating them. Substance use effects emotional stability which can also lead to poor emotional control. Some emotions can have very strong physical responses. Having poor emotional control can lead to emotional violence which can then escalate to physical violence.

As it happens, I’m writing about this in my assignment right now, but in the context of autistic students.

Emotional dysregulation is a common autistic characteristic, which often leads to behavioural problems. In the particular scenario I’m writing about, Oscar runs away from school whenever he feels overwhelmed. The cognitive processes present as things like alexithymia, rumination, and a desire to feel safe (or at least, away from the stimuli). When a kid (because obviously my context is children) becomes dysregulated, they will act out in a variety of ways, usually by shouting or hitting/kicking/punching etc.

It is suggested that by identifying emotions, one is more able to self-regulate (with practice) leading to better mental health and social communication outcomes. (For the record, it is rumination which can lead to co-occurring conditions such as PTSD in ASD individuals.) For example, someone can identify they’re angry, and then use a strategy for anger. The other day, the behaviour teacher recommended sticking one’s head under a tap to literally cool off when angry. Anxiety can use mindfulness techniques. (Sometimes, even adults can use a little help when identifying and following techniques to regulate again.)

Hence, my wheel of emotions. It has two main functions: 1) helps kids to identify what they’re feeling, even if they’re unable to express it verbally; and 2) great for kids when they’re looking adjectives, synonyms etc. This is mainly used for older kids, for younger kids I have the Zone of Regulation chart.

Keep up the good work.
Practice is very important with children.

One wonders why it’s taking us so long to figure out an accurate emotions list.

I guess that there are reasons for that.

Emotions can overlap as well, further complicating things.

I would like to see more work done in this area.

It needs more study.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bill-gates-apologizes-to-foundation-staff-over-epstein-ties-67f39ef5

Bill Gates Apologizes to Foundation Staff Over Epstein Ties
Billionaire admits he had two affairs and opens up about his mistake in associating with the sex offender

https://www.npr.org/2026/02/24/nx-s1-5724865/npr-finds-doj-withheld-removed-some-epstein-files-related-to-trump

The Justice Department has withheld some Epstein files related to allegations that President Trump sexually abused a minor, an NPR investigation finds. It also removed some documents from the public database where accusations against Jeffrey Epstein also mention Trump. NPR’s Stephen Fowler reports.

dv said:

https://www.npr.org/2026/02/24/nx-s1-5724865/npr-finds-doj-withheld-removed-some-epstein-files-related-to-trump

The Justice Department has withheld some Epstein files related to allegations that President Trump sexually abused a minor, an NPR investigation finds. It also removed some documents from the public database where accusations against Jeffrey Epstein also mention Trump. NPR’s Stephen Fowler reports.

So Trump is mentioned in up to 3 million of the documents still outstanding …. ?

:)

party_pants said:

dv said:

https://www.npr.org/2026/02/24/nx-s1-5724865/npr-finds-doj-withheld-removed-some-epstein-files-related-to-trump

The Justice Department has withheld some Epstein files related to allegations that President Trump sexually abused a minor, an NPR investigation finds. It also removed some documents from the public database where accusations against Jeffrey Epstein also mention Trump. NPR’s Stephen Fowler reports.

So Trump is mentioned in up to 3 million of the documents still outstanding …. ?

:)

Funny if that’s the case

dv said:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bill-gates-apologizes-to-foundation-staff-over-epstein-ties-67f39ef5

Bill Gates Apologizes to Foundation Staff Over Epstein Ties
Billionaire admits he had two affairs and opens up about his mistake in associating with the sex offender

Someone who admits it.

captain_spalding said:

oh dear.

Around the Roundhouse.

New Mexico, Zorro Ranch…etc

I’ll watch this later.

HTF did Epstein find the time to send reply to all these emails?

I have enough trouble with half a doz post here, let alone hundreds of emails a day.

Woodie said:

HTF did Epstein find the time to send reply to all these emails?

I have enough trouble with half a doz post here, let alone hundreds of emails a day.

don’t you know manic kkk actually writes all his own social media ramblings while on amphetamine

Woodie said:

HTF did Epstein find the time to send reply to all these emails?

I have enough trouble with half a doz post here, let alone hundreds of emails a day.

Similarly, how does Trump manage all the posts he does. I guess he doesn’t have to think about real life stuff like shopping and washing and cooking.

buffy said:

Woodie said:

HTF did Epstein find the time to send reply to all these emails?

I have enough trouble with half a doz post here, let alone hundreds of emails a day.

Similarly, how does Trump manage all the posts he does. I guess he doesn’t have to think about real life stuff like shopping and washing and cooking.

Once someone called out Ricky Gervaise for being on social media all the time, saying something like ‘how can someone who earns millions of dollars find the time to be on social media so much” and Gevaise responded ‘Its because I earn millions of dollars that I can be on social media all the time’

Arts said:

Once someone called out Ricky Gervaise for being on social media all the time, saying something like ‘how can someone who earns millions of dollars find the time to be on social media so much” and Gevaise responded ‘Its because I earn millions of dollars that I can be on social media all the time’

Yeah what a weird thing to say

buffy said:

Woodie said:

HTF did Epstein find the time to send reply to all these emails?

I have enough trouble with half a doz post here, let alone hundreds of emails a day.

Similarly, how does Trump manage all the posts he does. I guess he doesn’t have to think about real life stuff like shopping and washing and cooking.

There might be an inverse relationship between fecal incontinence and posting prowess.

I’m reading more about Epstein’s property in NM. Even signing up to the NYTimes for a trial subscription.

Article

This is an interesting aspect of why he chose NM:

“New Mexico also has more lenient sex offender registry laws, which allowed Mr. Epstein to avoid registration after pleading guilty to felony sex crimes in Florida.”

My mind keeps flicking back to the many women who have gone missing in NM and the same in Ciudad Juárez, MX. There are documentaries about the missing and dead women in Mexico, a few books etc. A mass burial site in the desert near Juárez.

I met Diane Washington-Valdez, the author of The Killing Fields: Harvest of Women. She had a book signing at the bookstore. I also met a young man who was buying the book because his mother was mentioned in it. She was one of the victims. Gosh that was a numbing moment for me.

I sent some of the books to Arts when she started her journey into forensic stuff.

Hillary’s expression as Boebert asks her about the Pizzagate conspiracy and the Epstein files.
Definitely worth watching the clips being shown.

The Epstein Fallout Tracker.

https://epstein.observer

Spiny Norman said:

The Epstein Fallout Tracker.

https://epstein.observer

Ta. Will look carefully tomorrow.