That thread is becoming unwieldy.
1913
Many years ago, my dad posited that the little grey men-type aliens were actually time travellers from the future. Mankind would need bigger brains and puny hands.
dv said:
That thread is becoming unwieldy.1913
Uncanny, I wonder how they knew.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
That thread is becoming unwieldy.1913
Uncanny, I wonder how they knew.
I see one of the names in there is J.H.Kellogg.
Divine Angel said:
Many years ago, my dad posited that the little grey men-type aliens were actually time travellers from the future. Mankind would need bigger brains and puny hands.
Your dad is all over it, I think that Tunguska was a time traveler event that went horribly wrong and someone in the future pressed the destruct button.
Peak Warming Man said:
Divine Angel said:
Many years ago, my dad posited that the little grey men-type aliens were actually time travellers from the future. Mankind would need bigger brains and puny hands.
Your dad is all over it, I think that Tunguska was a time traveler event that went horribly wrong and someone in the future pressed the destruct button.
Shoosh!
They’ll come and try again!
This is real footage from 120 years ago. None of the people in it knew that the city around them had four days left…
What you are watching is a cable car gliding down Market Street in San Francisco, filmed on the 14th of April, 1906.
The camera was mounted on the front of the car, so you see the city exactly as it was: the crowds, the horse-drawn carriages, the early automobiles weaving through traffic, the men in hats, the great buildings rising on either side. An ordinary spring afternoon in a thriving American city.
Four days later, on the morning of the 18th of April, a magnitude 7.9 earthquake struck. The shaking lasted under a minute, but it ignited fires that burned through the city for days…
By the time it was over, more than 3,000 people were dead and roughly 80 percent of San Francisco had been destroyed. Almost every building you see in this footage was gone.
And the film itself nearly went with it.
The negative was placed on a train bound for New York on the 17th of April, the day before the earthquake. Had it left a single day later, it would have burned in the fire along with the studio that made it.
This entire moving record of a lost city survives because of one day.
Spiny Norman said:
This is real footage from 120 years ago. None of the people in it knew that the city around them had four days left…What you are watching is a cable car gliding down Market Street in San Francisco, filmed on the 14th of April, 1906.
The camera was mounted on the front of the car, so you see the city exactly as it was: the crowds, the horse-drawn carriages, the early automobiles weaving through traffic, the men in hats, the great buildings rising on either side. An ordinary spring afternoon in a thriving American city.
Four days later, on the morning of the 18th of April, a magnitude 7.9 earthquake struck. The shaking lasted under a minute, but it ignited fires that burned through the city for days…
By the time it was over, more than 3,000 people were dead and roughly 80 percent of San Francisco had been destroyed. Almost every building you see in this footage was gone.
And the film itself nearly went with it.
The negative was placed on a train bound for New York on the 17th of April, the day before the earthquake. Had it left a single day later, it would have burned in the fire along with the studio that made it.
This entire moving record of a lost city survives because of one day.
Road rules would seem to be optional.
Looks like the owner had a history of violins.
Peak Warming Man said:
Spiny Norman said:
This is real footage from 120 years ago. None of the people in it knew that the city around them had four days left…What you are watching is a cable car gliding down Market Street in San Francisco, filmed on the 14th of April, 1906.
The camera was mounted on the front of the car, so you see the city exactly as it was: the crowds, the horse-drawn carriages, the early automobiles weaving through traffic, the men in hats, the great buildings rising on either side. An ordinary spring afternoon in a thriving American city.
Four days later, on the morning of the 18th of April, a magnitude 7.9 earthquake struck. The shaking lasted under a minute, but it ignited fires that burned through the city for days…
By the time it was over, more than 3,000 people were dead and roughly 80 percent of San Francisco had been destroyed. Almost every building you see in this footage was gone.
And the film itself nearly went with it.
The negative was placed on a train bound for New York on the 17th of April, the day before the earthquake. Had it left a single day later, it would have burned in the fire along with the studio that made it.
This entire moving record of a lost city survives because of one day.
Road rules would seem to be optional.
The reason the cars seem a bit chaotic is because there were only a few of them on the street, hired by the filmmaker, so they kept turning out of the frame and reappearing to make it seem like the road was full of cars.
Globus INK, Soviet-era electromechanical space navigation computer used in the 1960s the system calculated orbital parameters using an intricate internal clockwork mechanism comprising over 500 gears, cams, and differentials
These men are being transformed into ‘human fireworks’, wearing asbestos suits to protect them. They are preparing for a wrestle display at the Crystal Palace in 1933.
Fat man Plutonium Core.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AtomicPorn/comments/1uyc91w/fat_man_plutonium_core/
Vauxhall London 1933. So much of interest in this photo: horse and cart, motorbike with sidecar, lavatory with wonderful wrought iron, tanker truck, tram, bus, period cars, cyclist and a pedestrian.
American B-25 bombers fly past the erupting volcano Vesuvius. Italy, March 1944
Spiny Norman said:
American B-25 bombers fly past the erupting volcano Vesuvius. Italy, March 1944
Little did they know that under the cold pyroclastic flow on the right flank was an undiscovered town and hundreds of dead bodies.
Maybe someone should check under the others.
Two views of a pleasing home library, from the House Beautiful Furnishing Annual, 1926.
Bubblecar said:
Two views of a pleasing home library, from the House Beautiful Furnishing Annual, 1926.
I could sit in that leather chair nursing a balloon of brandy with a roaring fire in the fireplace while reading a spiffing who dunnit.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Two views of a pleasing home library, from the House Beautiful Furnishing Annual, 1926.
I could sit in that leather chair nursing a balloon of brandy with a roaring fire in the fireplace while reading a spiffing who dunnit.
Wishing it won’t make it happen!
Sound effects being created at the Walt Disney Studio, 1941. I believe they were called the Foley props.
It’s for some short cartoon with a train. Quite effective.
Mirin Dajo, the Dutchman who let doctors run rapiers and hollow tubes clean through his torso in the 1940s, pictured mid-performance with a foil through his chest and (right) hoses threaded through his body turning him into a literal human fountain on stage.
No photos as it may be disturbing to some here.
Photo of a hiker watching the eruption of Mt. St. Helens from Mt. Adams, about 37 miles to the east. Photo from Mt Adams by John V. Christiansen around 8:32 am local time on May 18, 1980 & published in a 1981 National Geographic magazine.
Historical Photograph
Spiny Norman said:
Photo of a hiker watching the eruption of Mt. St. Helens from Mt. Adams, about 37 miles to the east. Photo from Mt Adams by John V. Christiansen around 8:32 am local time on May 18, 1980 & published in a 1981 National Geographic magazine.
Historical Photograph
Apocalypse then.
Spiny Norman said:
Photo of a hiker watching the eruption of Mt. St. Helens from Mt. Adams, about 37 miles to the east. Photo from Mt Adams by John V. Christiansen around 8:32 am local time on May 18, 1980 & published in a 1981 National Geographic magazine.
Historical Photograph
Nuh uh, hold on a cotton pickin’ minute.
I got pulled up the other day for saying a film from 1980 was old. Therefore, a photo from 1980 also is not old and does not belong in the Old Photos thread.
Spiny Norman said:
Photo of a hiker watching the eruption of Mt. St. Helens from Mt. Adams, about 37 miles to the east. Photo from Mt Adams by John V. Christiansen around 8:32 am local time on May 18, 1980 & published in a 1981 National Geographic magazine.
Historical Photograph
Did the hiker(s) survive?
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Photo of a hiker watching the eruption of Mt. St. Helens from Mt. Adams, about 37 miles to the east. Photo from Mt Adams by John V. Christiansen around 8:32 am local time on May 18, 1980 & published in a 1981 National Geographic magazine.
Historical PhotographDid the hiker(s) survive?
Don’t know, but the camera film did at least.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Photo of a hiker watching the eruption of Mt. St. Helens from Mt. Adams, about 37 miles to the east. Photo from Mt Adams by John V. Christiansen around 8:32 am local time on May 18, 1980 & published in a 1981 National Geographic magazine.
Historical PhotographDid the hiker(s) survive?
One of the two (hiker or photographer) must have survived. 1980s era would have film cameras, which needed to be handed in to a shop to be developed and printed.
Spiny Norman said:
Photo of a hiker watching the eruption of Mt. St. Helens from Mt. Adams, about 37 miles to the east. Photo from Mt Adams by John V. Christiansen around 8:32 am local time on May 18, 1980 & published in a 1981 National Geographic magazine.
Historical Photograph
In the area between the first pics cloud and the second pics cloud, there were several humans. They didn’t make it. :(
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Photo of a hiker watching the eruption of Mt. St. Helens from Mt. Adams, about 37 miles to the east. Photo from Mt Adams by John V. Christiansen around 8:32 am local time on May 18, 1980 & published in a 1981 National Geographic magazine.
Historical PhotographDid the hiker(s) survive?
One of the two (hiker or photographer) must have survived. 1980s era would have film cameras, which needed to be handed in to a shop to be developed and printed.
I don’t know about that one, but Robert Landsburgh didn’t. Although he did manage to protect his photos.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:Did the hiker(s) survive?
One of the two (hiker or photographer) must have survived. 1980s era would have film cameras, which needed to be handed in to a shop to be developed and printed.
I don’t know about that one, but Robert Landsburgh didn’t. Although he did manage to protect his photos.
And for good measure, here is another well known photo from that day
I’ve read a bit about volcanoes, and I’ve got the National Geographic with Landsburgh’s photos in it with my volcano books.
buffy said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:One of the two (hiker or photographer) must have survived. 1980s era would have film cameras, which needed to be handed in to a shop to be developed and printed.
I don’t know about that one, but Robert Landsburgh didn’t. Although he did manage to protect his photos.
And for good measure, here is another well known photo from that day
I’ve read a bit about volcanoes, and I’ve got the National Geographic with Landsburgh’s photos in it with my volcano books.
Fascinating!
An unimpeded view of a Boeing 707’s port side engines, each equipped with stage 3 hush kits, the Boeing 707-420 variant carrying these engines held the title for the loudest passenger takeoffs in aviation history
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Looks like they’d lose a fair bit of thrust with the exhaust like that.
Pratt & Whitney JT3D’s I think.
Spiny Norman said:
An unimpeded view of a Boeing 707’s port side engines, each equipped with stage 3 hush kits, the Boeing 707-420 variant carrying these engines held the title for the loudest passenger takeoffs in aviation history
The loudest passenger takeoff in history, imagine what it would have been like without the hush kit.
Karen next door would have demanded to see the manager.
dv said:
From an old MAD magazine, by the look.
Who remembers seeing this New Zealand Insurance – Australian Ad from the 80s – My Favourite
I can just remember this one from the good old days.
German scientists wind tunnel testing a Messerschmitt Bf 109, 1940.
Charles Hawtrey and Jon Pertwee in Carry on Cleo, 1964.
Bubblecar said:
Charles Hawtrey and Jon Pertwee in Carry on Cleo, 1964.
I have that movie (in colour) Jon Pertwee had a lot of cameos in Carry On movies.
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
Charles Hawtrey and Jon Pertwee in Carry on Cleo, 1964.
I have that movie (in colour) Jon Pertwee had a lot of cameos in Carry On movies.
Here he is as Dr Fettle in Carry on Screaming, 1966.
Charles Hawtrey looking frail in 1988, shortly before his death at 73.
In the Late 1800s, Scientists Believed Zebras Could Replace Horses—But After Decades of Training, Crossbreeding, and Failed Experiments, Their Wild Nature Proved Impossible to Tame
On August 15, 1961, Conrad Schumann was assigned to guard the Berlin Wall on its third day of construction. Instead, he spontaneously leaped over the barbed wire into West Germany, saying he didn’t want to “live enclosed” in East Germany — a dramatic escape captured by photographer Peter Leibing.
Spiny Norman said:
On August 15, 1961, Conrad Schumann was assigned to guard the Berlin Wall on its third day of construction. Instead, he spontaneously leaped over the barbed wire into West Germany, saying he didn’t want to “live enclosed” in East Germany — a dramatic escape captured by photographer Peter Leibing.
Saw this on another Reddit thread somewhere – the responses didn’t fill one with much hope for humanity – it’s dispiriting how shitty some people can be.
Vostok Station is located deep inland in Antarctica, famously known as the “Pole of Cold” (it holds the record for the lowest natural temperature ever recorded on Earth at -89.2 °C / −128.6 °F). On April 12, 1982 right at the start of the brutal, pitch-black Antarctic winter a massive short circuit triggered a catastrophic fire in the station’s primary diesel power plant, One mechanic tragically died trying to fight the blaze,
Within minutes the station lost all three of its main generators. They were left completely in the dark with outdoor temperatures plummeting past −70 °C (−94 °F)
Moscow radioed the crew and helped them track down an old, obsolete backup generator that had been decommissioned and buried deep under the snow years prior, They dug it out and miraculously coaxed it to life, getting just enough power to run a basic radio transmitter and a couple of lightbulb, They abandoned their individual quarters and crammed all 20 remaining men into just a couple of small rooms to pool their body heat and conserve fuel and For nearly eight months, they lived in sub zero indoor temperatures, breathing in heavy soot from the improvised stoves, completely cut off from the rest of humanity
The nightmare finally ended in November 1982, when the heavy spring weather arrived and a tractor sledge supply train successfully reached them from the coast. Because of strict Soviet censorship and secrecy during the Cold War, the USSR kept completely quiet about the disaster, only revealing the story to the public a year later when the scientists safely returned home.
-89° is just a wee bit brisk.
Spiny Norman said:
Vostok Station is located deep inland in Antarctica, famously known as the “Pole of Cold” (it holds the record for the lowest natural temperature ever recorded on Earth at -89.2 °C / −128.6 °F). On April 12, 1982 right at the start of the brutal, pitch-black Antarctic winter a massive short circuit triggered a catastrophic fire in the station’s primary diesel power plant, One mechanic tragically died trying to fight the blaze,
Within minutes the station lost all three of its main generators. They were left completely in the dark with outdoor temperatures plummeting past −70 °C (−94 °F)
Moscow radioed the crew and helped them track down an old, obsolete backup generator that had been decommissioned and buried deep under the snow years prior, They dug it out and miraculously coaxed it to life, getting just enough power to run a basic radio transmitter and a couple of lightbulb, They abandoned their individual quarters and crammed all 20 remaining men into just a couple of small rooms to pool their body heat and conserve fuel and For nearly eight months, they lived in sub zero indoor temperatures, breathing in heavy soot from the improvised stoves, completely cut off from the rest of humanity
The nightmare finally ended in November 1982, when the heavy spring weather arrived and a tractor sledge supply train successfully reached them from the coast. Because of strict Soviet censorship and secrecy during the Cold War, the USSR kept completely quiet about the disaster, only revealing the story to the public a year later when the scientists safely returned home.
-89° is just a wee bit brisk.
Great, now my carbon dioxide is frozen solid
‘Mad Jack’ Churchill (second from right) leads his men, sword in hand, from a Eureka boat. Circa 1941. Churchill captured 42 Germans armed with only a sword, killed a Nazi with a longbow and escaped from a concentration camp, twice.
Spiny Norman said:
‘Mad Jack’ Churchill (second from right) leads his men, sword in hand, from a Eureka boat. Circa 1941. Churchill captured 42 Germans armed with only a sword, killed a Nazi with a longbow and escaped from a concentration camp, twice.
That particular photo is from a training exercise in Inveraray.
Spiny Norman said:
‘Mad Jack’ Churchill (second from right) leads his men, sword in hand, from a Eureka boat. Circa 1941. Churchill captured 42 Germans armed with only a sword, killed a Nazi with a longbow and escaped from a concentration camp, twice.
Impressive man.
Interesting the Germans soldiers protected him and his fellow soldiers from the SS
Orson Welles performs a card trick for eight-year-old Natalie Wood during production of Tomorrow Is Forever, released in 1946.
A London cafe owner declares his policy in the event of an invasion during WWII (1940s)
In 1989, John Glennie set sail for a 3-week trip to Tonga. A 60-foot wave flipped his boat upside down. He and 3 men survived 119 days inside the hull on 3oz of soft drink a day. His country declared them drowned, then called them liars when they came home. A barnacle cleared his name.
The barnacle owed them nothing, it was kind to do that.
Suitcases of people sent to concentration camps. Poland, Gdańsk, World War II Museum, Each individual suitcase stands for a real human life, a displaced family and the personal belongings they were restricted to carry.
A woman helping her friend with her Kangru-Spring-Shu, a pair of boots fitted with springs, ca. 1935.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UtterlyUniquePhotos/comments/1vbzu2t/a_woman_helping_her_friend_with_her/
Looks perfectly safe, I wonder why they aren’t used anymore?
Private, promoted to Corporal after the Battle of Monte Cassino, Wojtek, the Soldier Bear of the Polish II Corps, standing in formation.
Spiny Norman said:
Suitcases of people sent to concentration camps. Poland, Gdańsk, World War II Museum, Each individual suitcase stands for a real human life, a displaced family and the personal belongings they were restricted to carry.
Poland was where Hitler staged and started his first mass killings of people with disabled. It is so chilling to see all the suitcases..
Foolish Italian family, no date.
Bubblecar said:
Foolish Italian family, no date.
That is amazing that they got all the children on the back.
ms spock said:
Bubblecar said:
Foolish Italian family, no date.
That is amazing that they got all the children on the back.
How do you know there isn’t one more on the side of the road back there somewhere?
From The Australian Motor Cyclist 1938.
Bubblecar said:
From The Australian Motor Cyclist 1938.
In standard trim, the Ariel Red Hunter went faster in third gear than in fourth.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
From The Australian Motor Cyclist 1938.
In standard trim, the Ariel Red Hunter went faster in third gear than in fourth.
I notice that none of those old motorcycles are fitted with rear view mirrors.
1937. Those old fully enclosed sidecars look a cosy way to travel.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
From The Australian Motor Cyclist 1938.
In standard trim, the Ariel Red Hunter went faster in third gear than in fourth.
I notice that none of those old motorcycles are fitted with rear view mirrors.
Huh!
That is not something I had ever observed. I wonder when they became compulsory.
Bubblecar said:
1937. Those old fully enclosed sidecars look a cosy way to travel.
Interestingly, the bike has a full-width front brake – very unusual for that era.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:In standard trim, the Ariel Red Hunter went faster in third gear than in fourth.
I notice that none of those old motorcycles are fitted with rear view mirrors.
Huh!
That is not something I had ever observed. I wonder when they became compulsory.
FWIW the first mirror used in cars was a racing car at Indianapolis Speedway. In the early 1930’s I think.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:In standard trim, the Ariel Red Hunter went faster in third gear than in fourth.
I notice that none of those old motorcycles are fitted with rear view mirrors.
Huh!
That is not something I had ever observed. I wonder when they became compulsory.
I can’t find a specific date. It seems they may have been optional accessories until at least the mid 1950s.
Mind you, even bikes that didn’t come with mirrors must have at least one right-side mirror now in order to be legally ridden on public roads.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:I notice that none of those old motorcycles are fitted with rear view mirrors.
Huh!
That is not something I had ever observed. I wonder when they became compulsory.
FWIW the first mirror used in cars was a racing car at Indianapolis Speedway. In the early 1930’s I think.
Huh!
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
From The Australian Motor Cyclist 1938.
In standard trim, the Ariel Red Hunter went faster in third gear than in fourth.
I notice that none of those old motorcycles are fitted with rear view mirrors.
In my 2nd office job after uni I worked with a guy who rode an old Ariel to work. I think it was a 1000 square four.
Humphrey Bogart’s shoes on the set of Casablanca. Bogart was about 5’8” (173cm), Bergman about 5’9” (175cm).
Spiny Norman said:
Humphrey Bogart’s shoes on the set of Casablanca. Bogart was about 5’8” (173cm), Bergman about 5’9” (175cm).
Heh.
I bet they didn’t behave.
dv said:
👀
dv said:
Why do Goody’s feet look like Inspector Poirot?
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Why do Goody’s feet look like Inspector Poirot?
Goofy
dv said:
Early version of Mickey, when he was known as Maniac Mouse.
Clark starts a data centre
dv said:
Clark starts a data centre
Superman? Superbastard, more like.
The Boeing B-29 Superfortress was the most advanced bomber of World War Two — but also one of the most troubled and expensive aircraft ever built, and was plagued with flaws.
Developed at extraordinary speed, the B-29 could fly higher, faster and further than earlier heavy bombers while carrying a formidable bomb load.
It introduced pressurised crew compartments, remote-controlled gun turrets, advanced fire-control systems and enormous Wright R-3350 engines. But it couldn’t hit a barn door with it’s guns, had urine in the brakelines and engines which kept exploding due to all the flammable metal in them.
This video explores how the B-29 was designed, why it cost more than the Atomic Bomb to develop and how the United States overcame these challenges to get it into the war.
Construction of the Statue of Liberty’s torch in Paris, 1876.
Land Rovers for export, 1950s.
Bubblecar said:
Land Rovers for export, 1950s.
Solihull’s name is commonly thought to have derived from the position of its arden stone parish church, St Alphege, on a ‘soily’ hill. The church was built on a hill of stiff red marl, which turned to sticky mud in wet weather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solihull
A clock from Nagasaki, Japan, frozen at 11:02 AM, the time the atomic bomb dropped on this day in 1945.
The German WW2 Messerschmitt Me-`163 rocket interceptor.
Incredibly dangerous.
Spiny Norman said:
The German WW2 Messerschmitt Me-`163 rocket interceptor.
Incredibly dangerous.
Luckily the war was ending at the time. Apparently there were also a lot of accidents duing the testing stages.
Spiny Norman said:
The German WW2 Messerschmitt Me-`163 rocket interceptor.
Incredibly dangerous.
Interesting, thanks.
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
The German WW2 Messerschmitt Me-`163 rocket interceptor.
Incredibly dangerous.Luckily the war was ending at the time. Apparently there were also a lot of accidents duing the testing stages.
John Whitney is considered by many the father of animated motion graphics. Back in the 60’s, he deviced a machine based on an analog 40’s military anti-artilery predicting computer to create a very special type of slit-scan effect machine.
Can you imagine how he even came up with this?
dv said:
I love polka-dots.
dv said:
Seems a tad dangerous.
Nuns take part in the popular hula-hoop craze in Oklahoma. 1958
Morning Trevor Sheryl Jacko Daveo etc.
Bit of rain over night but a bonza day.
51 years ago yesterday, Prime Minister Gough Whitlam poured soil into the hand of traditional land owner Vincent Lingiari (photo by Mervyn Bishop)
1938. In those days, Flight magazine tended to regard the RAAF as a branch of the RAF.
Today it’s 35 years since Estonia declared independence from the USSR. My father left his country in 1941 and never returned, he was 21. He died in 1988.
“In the evening of 20 August 1991, Estonian politicians declared the nation’s independence – even as Soviet tanks were rolling through the countryside to quell the independence movement and the Soviet paratroopers were taking charge of the Tallinn TV Tower, preparing to cut off communication channels.
The fate of Estonia was on peril. Yet, most Estonian politicians and the greater part of the public showed great resolve in the face of this danger.
Estonian volunteers surrounded the TV Tower and wouldn’t let themselves to be intimidated by the Soviet troops. Members of the Estonian Defence League – the unified paramilitary armed forces of Estonia – were ready to protect the strategically important buildings, such as the parliament at Toompea and the Estonian Public Broadcasting facilities in Gonsiori street.”
‘Bodgie Styles for Spring 1951’
Almost-deserted Sydney beach (except for pretty, dark-haired Joan Francis) was chosen by bodgie David Roper, 17, to air leopard-skin trunks, with tail.
From the collections of the State Library of New South Wales
(PIX, 14 July 1951, p30)
State Library of NSW
kii said:
‘Bodgie Styles for Spring 1951’
Almost-deserted Sydney beach (except for pretty, dark-haired Joan Francis) was chosen by bodgie David Roper, 17, to air leopard-skin trunks, with tail.
From the collections of the State Library of New South Wales
(PIX, 14 July 1951, p30)
State Library of NSW
I see
The HMAS Melbourne in the early 1970’s.
Spiny Norman said:
The HMAS Melbourne in the early 1970’s.
Keeping well clear of other vessels.
Spiny Norman said:
The HMAS Melbourne in the early 1970’s.
I painted half of that bloody flight deck.
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
The HMAS Melbourne in the early 1970’s.
Keeping well clear of other vessels.
Don’t get me started…
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
The HMAS Melbourne in the early 1970’s.
I painted half of that bloody flight deck.
Missed a spot.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
The HMAS Melbourne in the early 1970’s.
I painted half of that bloody flight deck.
Missed a spot.
On the port side (nearest camera), just where the tail of the aft-most S2 Tracker is, there’s the gun sponson containing the MkV 40mm Boffors guns that i helped to look after.
Up forward, near the Skyhawks, where the three blokes are standing; directly under them is a mess deck where i lived for a while.
Looks like it’d be noisy, doesn’t it?
Well, you’re right, it was VERY noisy indeed.
I later managed to migrate to 4D Port mess, four decks down, where the noise was merely ‘constantly annoying’.
And, the boat you can see stowed on the port side is the Captain’s Barge. That was another work area of mine, the boat and its stowage.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:I painted half of that bloody flight deck.
Missed a spot.
On the port side (nearest camera), just where the tail of the aft-most S2 Tracker is, there’s the gun sponson containing the MkV 40mm Boffors guns that i helped to look after.
Up forward, near the Skyhawks, where the three blokes are standing; directly under them is a mess deck where i lived for a while.
Looks like it’d be noisy, doesn’t it?
Well, you’re right, it was VERY noisy indeed.
I later managed to migrate to 4D Port mess, four decks down, where the noise was merely ‘constantly annoying’.
And, the boat you can see stowed on the port side is the Captain’s Barge. That was another work area of mine, the boat and its stowage.
‘…Bofors…’
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
The HMAS Melbourne in the early 1970’s.
I painted half of that bloody flight deck.
what colour?
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
The HMAS Melbourne in the early 1970’s.
I painted half of that bloody flight deck.
what colour?
Well, it looks grey there, but when i was aboard, it was a light green.
Very thick paint, not sure that it wasn’t some sort of latex compound, and with a lot of grit in it to provide grip for tyres.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:I painted half of that bloody flight deck.
Missed a spot.
On the port side (nearest camera), just where the tail of the aft-most S2 Tracker is, there’s the gun sponson containing the MkV 40mm Boffors guns that i helped to look after.
Up forward, near the Skyhawks, where the three blokes are standing; directly under them is a mess deck where i lived for a while.
Looks like it’d be noisy, doesn’t it?
Well, you’re right, it was VERY noisy indeed.
I later managed to migrate to 4D Port mess, four decks down, where the noise was merely ‘constantly annoying’.
And, the boat you can see stowed on the port side is the Captain’s Barge. That was another work area of mine, the boat and its stowage.
Heh.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:I painted half of that bloody flight deck.
what colour?
Well, it looks grey there, but when i was aboard, it was a light green.
Very thick paint, not sure that it wasn’t some sort of latex compound, and with a lot of grit in it to provide grip for tyres.
I imagine so. It’s very embarrassing to hit the brakes and slide off the deck into the drink.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:what colour?
Well, it looks grey there, but when i was aboard, it was a light green.
Very thick paint, not sure that it wasn’t some sort of latex compound, and with a lot of grit in it to provide grip for tyres.
I imagine so. It’s very embarrassing to hit the brakes and slide off the deck into the drink.
I take that to be a tongue-in-cheek remark, as i’m sure that you know that when an aircraft lands on the carrier, they ignore the brakes, and gun the aircraft’s engine(s) to the max.
Because, if by some chance the tail hook DID NOT snag one of the arrester wires, they’ll need every ounce of power to get airborne again off that short angled deck so as to be able to come around for another go.
And, some aircraft did manage to go into the drink, for a variety of reasons.
Perhaps the most unusual was LEUT Barry Evans and ‘the cold shot’ (before my time aboard)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q0pAN1MeSg
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:Well, it looks grey there, but when i was aboard, it was a light green.
Very thick paint, not sure that it wasn’t some sort of latex compound, and with a lot of grit in it to provide grip for tyres.
I imagine so. It’s very embarrassing to hit the brakes and slide off the deck into the drink.
I take that to be a tongue-in-cheek remark, as i’m sure that you know that when an aircraft lands on the carrier, they ignore the brakes, and gun the aircraft’s engine(s) to the max.
Because, if by some chance the tail hook DID NOT snag one of the arrester wires, they’ll need every ounce of power to get airborne again off that short angled deck so as to be able to come around for another go.
And, some aircraft did manage to go into the drink, for a variety of reasons.
Perhaps the most unusual was LEUT Barry Evans and ‘the cold shot’ (before my time aboard)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q0pAN1MeSg
Have a friend who was on the Melbourne.
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
The HMAS Melbourne in the early 1970’s.
Keeping well clear of other vessels.
:)
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:Well, it looks grey there, but when i was aboard, it was a light green.
Very thick paint, not sure that it wasn’t some sort of latex compound, and with a lot of grit in it to provide grip for tyres.
I imagine so. It’s very embarrassing to hit the brakes and slide off the deck into the drink.
I take that to be a tongue-in-cheek remark, as i’m sure that you know that when an aircraft lands on the carrier, they ignore the brakes, and gun the aircraft’s engine(s) to the max.
Because, if by some chance the tail hook DID NOT snag one of the arrester wires, they’ll need every ounce of power to get airborne again off that short angled deck so as to be able to come around for another go.
And, some aircraft did manage to go into the drink, for a variety of reasons.
Perhaps the most unusual was LEUT Barry Evans and ‘the cold shot’ (before my time aboard)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q0pAN1MeSg
No I’m serious. After trap the plane has to be manoeuvred to either a deck parking spot of the elevator. The deck must often have patches of JetA on it, which can be very slippery. By definition if you’re parking on the deck you’re likely to be very close to the edge. A slide only a metre or two and bye-bye plane & crew.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:I painted half of that bloody flight deck.
what colour?
Well, it looks grey there, but when i was aboard, it was a light green.
Very thick paint, not sure that it wasn’t some sort of latex compound, and with a lot of grit in it to provide grip for tyres.
What’s the saying in the navy? If it moves grease it; if it doesn’t paint it?
Spiny Norman said:
No I’m serious. After trap the plane has to be manoeuvred to either a deck parking spot of the elevator. The deck must often have patches of JetA on it, which can be very slippery. By definition if you’re parking on the deck you’re likely to be very close to the edge. A slide only a metre or two and bye-bye plane & crew.
Been away from the computer fora bit.
Yes, you’re quite right. The brakes are, of course, very important when pushing aircraft around on the flight deck, or down in the hangar deck.
When that’s being done, it’s usually a sailor who’s in the cockpit, working the brakes and steering. I know of one poor bloke who went over the side in a Skyhawk when something went wrong, brake failure or something.
Fortunately, he had the canopy open, and got out very quickly, and the Pedro helicopter pulled him from the water promptly.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:No I’m serious. After trap the plane has to be manoeuvred to either a deck parking spot of the elevator. The deck must often have patches of JetA on it, which can be very slippery. By definition if you’re parking on the deck you’re likely to be very close to the edge. A slide only a metre or two and bye-bye plane & crew.
Been away from the computer for a bit.
When that’s being done, it’s usually a sailor who’s in the cockpit, working the brakes and steering. I know of one poor bloke who went over the side in a Skyhawk when something went wrong, brake failure or something.
Did that particular sailor do less than spectacularly good in his navigation exam, and possible end up in mid Western NSW?
It was probably brake failure on the ships part, but I’m just asking for a friend.
Kingy said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:No I’m serious. After trap the plane has to be manoeuvred to either a deck parking spot of the elevator. The deck must often have patches of JetA on it, which can be very slippery. By definition if you’re parking on the deck you’re likely to be very close to the edge. A slide only a metre or two and bye-bye plane & crew.
Been away from the computer for a bit.
When that’s being done, it’s usually a sailor who’s in the cockpit, working the brakes and steering. I know of one poor bloke who went over the side in a Skyhawk when something went wrong, brake failure or something.
Did that particular sailor do less than spectacularly good in his navigation exam, and possible end up in mid Western NSW?
It was probably brake failure on the ships part, but I’m just asking for a friend.
It was not me. It was one of the aviation branch sailors, an ATA or something.
I could count on one hand’s fingers the number of times i set foot on an ‘active’ flight deck.
You DID NOT go there unless you had an iron-clad reason to be there. And that suited me fine: it was, hands down, the most dangerous workplace i have ever seen.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:No I’m serious. After trap the plane has to be manoeuvred to either a deck parking spot of the elevator. The deck must often have patches of JetA on it, which can be very slippery. By definition if you’re parking on the deck you’re likely to be very close to the edge. A slide only a metre or two and bye-bye plane & crew.
Been away from the computer fora bit.
Yes, you’re quite right. The brakes are, of course, very important when pushing aircraft around on the flight deck, or down in the hangar deck.
When that’s being done, it’s usually a sailor who’s in the cockpit, working the brakes and steering. I know of one poor bloke who went over the side in a Skyhawk when something went wrong, brake failure or something.
Fortunately, he had the canopy open, and got out very quickly, and the Pedro helicopter pulled him from the water promptly.
Yep. There’s not been many successful underwater ejections.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:No I’m serious. After trap the plane has to be manoeuvred to either a deck parking spot of the elevator. The deck must often have patches of JetA on it, which can be very slippery. By definition if you’re parking on the deck you’re likely to be very close to the edge. A slide only a metre or two and bye-bye plane & crew.
Been away from the computer fora bit.
Yes, you’re quite right. The brakes are, of course, very important when pushing aircraft around on the flight deck, or down in the hangar deck.
When that’s being done, it’s usually a sailor who’s in the cockpit, working the brakes and steering. I know of one poor bloke who went over the side in a Skyhawk when something went wrong, brake failure or something.
Fortunately, he had the canopy open, and got out very quickly, and the Pedro helicopter pulled him from the water promptly.
Yep. There’s not been many successful underwater ejections.
But, Barry Evans, who i mentioned earlier, did one.
When his Skyhawk (889) ‘failed to launch’, he managed to blow the canopy off, but did not eject.
It’s said that this was a failure of the seat, but my understanding is that he decided to stay in the plane, rather than risk being run down by the ship.
So, he sat in the plane as it sank, allowing the ship to pass OVER him. Finally, at about 20 metres/70 feet down, he did a low-power ejection, and swam to the surface behind the ship, from where he was picked up.
That’s a steely-eyed aviator.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:Been away from the computer fora bit.
Yes, you’re quite right. The brakes are, of course, very important when pushing aircraft around on the flight deck, or down in the hangar deck.
When that’s being done, it’s usually a sailor who’s in the cockpit, working the brakes and steering. I know of one poor bloke who went over the side in a Skyhawk when something went wrong, brake failure or something.
Fortunately, he had the canopy open, and got out very quickly, and the Pedro helicopter pulled him from the water promptly.
Yep. There’s not been many successful underwater ejections.
But, Barry Evans, who i mentioned earlier, did one.
When his Skyhawk (889) ‘failed to launch’, he managed to blow the canopy off, but did not eject.
It’s said that this was a failure of the seat, but my understanding is that he decided to stay in the plane, rather than risk being run down by the ship.
So, he sat in the plane as it sank, allowing the ship to pass OVER him. Finally, at about 20 metres/70 feet down, he did a low-power ejection, and swam to the surface behind the ship, from where he was picked up.
That’s a steely-eyed aviator.
Yeah I remember reading about that one. Gutsy move watching the ship go over you then when its clear get out of the plane.
I don’t think there’s such a thing as a ‘soft’ ejection. When you need to eject there’s rarely time to ponder how much it’s going to boost. And the best way to keep the crew alive is to get them away from the plane, and that’s with a back-snapping rocket.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:Yep. There’s not been many successful underwater ejections.
But, Barry Evans, who i mentioned earlier, did one.
When his Skyhawk (889) ‘failed to launch’, he managed to blow the canopy off, but did not eject.
It’s said that this was a failure of the seat, but my understanding is that he decided to stay in the plane, rather than risk being run down by the ship.
So, he sat in the plane as it sank, allowing the ship to pass OVER him. Finally, at about 20 metres/70 feet down, he did a low-power ejection, and swam to the surface behind the ship, from where he was picked up.
That’s a steely-eyed aviator.
Yeah I remember reading about that one. Gutsy move watching the ship go over you then when its clear get out of the plane.
I don’t think there’s such a thing as a ‘soft’ ejection. When you need to eject there’s rarely time to ponder how much it’s going to boost. And the best way to keep the crew alive is to get them away from the plane, and that’s with a back-snapping rocket.
I’m only repeating what i heard a long time back. I dunno if the seats in the A-4s were a bit ‘special, but they probably weren’t.
Years later, when i got briefed (ad infinitum and ad nauseum) on the seat in the Macchi MB326, there was certainly no mention of any options.
It was, in the end, just ‘pull the handle, and ride the rocket’.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:But, Barry Evans, who i mentioned earlier, did one.
When his Skyhawk (889) ‘failed to launch’, he managed to blow the canopy off, but did not eject.
It’s said that this was a failure of the seat, but my understanding is that he decided to stay in the plane, rather than risk being run down by the ship.
So, he sat in the plane as it sank, allowing the ship to pass OVER him. Finally, at about 20 metres/70 feet down, he did a low-power ejection, and swam to the surface behind the ship, from where he was picked up.
That’s a steely-eyed aviator.
Yeah I remember reading about that one. Gutsy move watching the ship go over you then when its clear get out of the plane.
I don’t think there’s such a thing as a ‘soft’ ejection. When you need to eject there’s rarely time to ponder how much it’s going to boost. And the best way to keep the crew alive is to get them away from the plane, and that’s with a back-snapping rocket.
I’m only repeating what i heard a long time back. I dunno if the seats in the A-4s were a bit ‘special, but they probably weren’t.
Years later, when i got briefed (ad infinitum and ad nauseum) on the seat in the Macchi MB326, there was certainly no mention of any options.
It was, in the end, just ‘pull the handle, and ride the rocket’.
And go home an inch or so shorter.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:Yeah I remember reading about that one. Gutsy move watching the ship go over you then when its clear get out of the plane.
I don’t think there’s such a thing as a ‘soft’ ejection. When you need to eject there’s rarely time to ponder how much it’s going to boost. And the best way to keep the crew alive is to get them away from the plane, and that’s with a back-snapping rocket.
I’m only repeating what i heard a long time back. I dunno if the seats in the A-4s were a bit ‘special, but they probably weren’t.
Years later, when i got briefed (ad infinitum and ad nauseum) on the seat in the Macchi MB326, there was certainly no mention of any options.
It was, in the end, just ‘pull the handle, and ride the rocket’.
And go home an inch or so shorter.
Or a foot or so shorter.
I recall seeing a show with I think it was Peter May (of top Gear fame) flying in a U2. They measured up his legs in a seated position. Apparently, he was so tall that if he had to eject it would likely take his knees and lowers leg off on the way out.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:But, Barry Evans, who i mentioned earlier, did one.
When his Skyhawk (889) ‘failed to launch’, he managed to blow the canopy off, but did not eject.
It’s said that this was a failure of the seat, but my understanding is that he decided to stay in the plane, rather than risk being run down by the ship.
So, he sat in the plane as it sank, allowing the ship to pass OVER him. Finally, at about 20 metres/70 feet down, he did a low-power ejection, and swam to the surface behind the ship, from where he was picked up.
That’s a steely-eyed aviator.
Yeah I remember reading about that one. Gutsy move watching the ship go over you then when its clear get out of the plane.
I don’t think there’s such a thing as a ‘soft’ ejection. When you need to eject there’s rarely time to ponder how much it’s going to boost. And the best way to keep the crew alive is to get them away from the plane, and that’s with a back-snapping rocket.
I’m only repeating what i heard a long time back. I dunno if the seats in the A-4s were a bit ‘special, but they probably weren’t.
Years later, when i got briefed (ad infinitum and ad nauseum) on the seat in the Macchi MB326, there was certainly no mention of any options.
It was, in the end, just ‘pull the handle, and ride the rocket’.
I worked at the CAC Factory where they assembled the Macchi.
Spiny Norman said:
And go home an inch or so shorter.
I was told, “if we have to eject, i’ll shout ‘eject, eject,eject’. Don’t bother asking me why, because i won’t be there any more.”
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:I’m only repeating what i heard a long time back. I dunno if the seats in the A-4s were a bit ‘special, but they probably weren’t.
Years later, when i got briefed (ad infinitum and ad nauseum) on the seat in the Macchi MB326, there was certainly no mention of any options.
It was, in the end, just ‘pull the handle, and ride the rocket’.
And go home an inch or so shorter.
Or a foot or so shorter.
I recall seeing a show with I think it was Peter May (of top Gear fame) flying in a U2. They measured up his legs in a seated position. Apparently, he was so tall that if he had to eject it would likely take his knees and lowers leg off on the way out.
Yeah, Austin Powers was a short guy so had no trouble over Russia.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:I’m only repeating what i heard a long time back. I dunno if the seats in the A-4s were a bit ‘special, but they probably weren’t.
Years later, when i got briefed (ad infinitum and ad nauseum) on the seat in the Macchi MB326, there was certainly no mention of any options.
It was, in the end, just ‘pull the handle, and ride the rocket’.
And go home an inch or so shorter.
Or a foot or so shorter.
I recall seeing a show with I think it was Peter May (of top Gear fame) flying in a U2. They measured up his legs in a seated position. Apparently, he was so tall that if he had to eject it would likely take his knees and lowers leg off on the way out.
James May, and yes the cockpits in a lot of military gear is pretty tight.
One bloke that taught me to fly was ex-RAAF, he flew Mirages and the F-111s. He was about my height and he said with the Mirage if he had to eject his legs would end just above the kneecaps. At least they didn’t have that problem with the F-111s thanks to the entire cockpit breaking away from the airframe.
Boris said:
I worked at the CAC Factory where they assembled the Macchi.
Well, nothing fell off during the times i was in one, so thank you for your attention to detail.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:And go home an inch or so shorter.
I was told, “if we have to eject, i’ll shout ‘eject, eject,eject’. Don’t bother asking me why, because i won’t be there any more.”
Quite right.
A lot of the seats were designed so that no matter which crew member hit the eject handle first the RIO would leave first then very shortly after the pilot. One handle, they both go.
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:And go home an inch or so shorter.
Or a foot or so shorter.
I recall seeing a show with I think it was Peter May (of top Gear fame) flying in a U2. They measured up his legs in a seated position. Apparently, he was so tall that if he had to eject it would likely take his knees and lowers leg off on the way out.
James May, and yes the cockpits in a lot of military gear is pretty tight.
One bloke that taught me to fly was ex-RAAF, he flew Mirages and the F-111s. He was about my height and he said with the Mirage if he had to eject his legs would end just above the kneecaps. At least they didn’t have that problem with the F-111s thanks to the entire cockpit breaking away from the airframe.
slaps head
Yeah, James May.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:And go home an inch or so shorter.
I was told, “if we have to eject, i’ll shout ‘eject, eject,eject’. Don’t bother asking me why, because i won’t be there any more.”
Quite right.
A lot of the seats were designed so that no matter which crew member hit the eject handle first the RIO would leave first then very shortly after the pilot. One handle, they both go.
Don’t know if the Macchis had that.
If they did, why did they spend all that time drilling it into me about what to do? The first time, they devoted over two hours to it.
Maybe Boris can tell us.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:I was told, “if we have to eject, i’ll shout ‘eject, eject,eject’. Don’t bother asking me why, because i won’t be there any more.”
Quite right.
A lot of the seats were designed so that no matter which crew member hit the eject handle first the RIO would leave first then very shortly after the pilot. One handle, they both go.
Don’t know if the Macchis had that.
If they did, why did they spend all that time drilling it into me about what to do? The first time, they devoted over two hours to it.
Maybe Boris can tell us.
No idea. I was doing an apprenticeship trial period.
dv said:
Frank’s brother?
dv said:
Looks like The Zapper buys his finery “at the Goodwill”, as Americans say.
No information on this photo other than the plane had the crap beaten out of it but it still made it back. I’m guessing the bombardier didn’t survive though.
Spiny Norman said:
No information on this photo other than the plane had the crap beaten out of it but it still made it back. I’m guessing the bombardier didn’t survive though.
A bit more info here -
https://www.google.com/search
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Looks like The Zapper buys his finery “at the Goodwill”, as Americans say.
Sorry I’m late!
“Theo Zappa, the corrupt head of a giant corporation, gains control of a re-memory machine which allows him to reprogram the minds of others. When Panja Darr, an alien from a world where magic is the norm, appears to him offering to buy Earth’s supply of plankton to replace that of his own world, which has been decimated by magical pollution, Zappa uses the machine to steal Darr’s powerful magic wand. He then absconds with all Earth’s plankton and attempts to black-mail both planets. Aware that this will eventually destroy Earth’s food supply and end all life on the planet, the Justice League goes into action, with Superman and Aquaman attacking Zappa beneath the sea, Flash and Hawkman fighting him in space, and Batman and Atom finally following him to Panja Darr’s world with the alien’s ship. There he is beaten and his scheme thwarted, but the pollution problems of both planets remain unsolved.”
He appeared but once, in Justice League Of America #86, published in December 1970
You could put almost any dubious heap of crap on the road in those days.
Tiny Polish tankettes during field exercises, 1938.
575 of these baby tanks faced Hitler’s panzer divisions when the Germans invaded in 1939. They were quite quickly squashed.
Soviet Red Army troops crossing into northern Afghanistan to fight against the basmachi rebels (1929)
I love the terrifying band-aid under the middle of the bridge.
Boy uses his dog to speed thru the streets, London, England, 1930s
28 August 1963. Exactly 100 years after Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his “I Have a Dream” speech to 250,000 people in Washington. The most famous part wasn’t in his prepared text.
Relaxing evening in a middle class US home some time during WW2.
Bubblecar said:
Relaxing evening in a middle class US home some time during WW2.
Relaxing while the young men were at the front giving their lives for the very freedom they are enjoying.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Relaxing evening in a middle class US home some time during WW2.
Relaxing while the young men were at the front giving their lives for the very freedom they are enjoying.
Including a member of their family, judging by the photo on the piano.
Putting the kettle on the Glenwood, days gone by.
Another from the hundreds in my Nostalgia/American Interiors folder, mostly from Shorpy, with no dating details in the caption.
With my new giant monitor, I can see these entire pictures in one view at their original giant resolution (automatically much reduced when uploaded here).
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Relaxing evening in a middle class US home some time during WW2.
Relaxing while the young men were at the front giving their lives for the very freedom they are enjoying.
It may have been before the US joined the others in WWII.
Bubblecar said:
Putting the kettle on the Glenwood, days gone by.Another from the hundreds in my Nostalgia/American Interiors folder, mostly from Shorpy, with no dating details in the caption.
With my new giant monitor, I can see these entire pictures in one view at their original giant resolution (automatically much reduced when uploaded here).
Very dangerous flue design right there. Bends are bad. Creosote and other tars get deposited at bends and when thick enough, can easily catch fire.
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Relaxing evening in a middle class US home some time during WW2.
Relaxing while the young men were at the front giving their lives for the very freedom they are enjoying.
It may have been before the US joined the others in WWII.
Well into US participation, judging by the headlines and articles in the magazines being read (easier to see in the full size image).
Impressive wall of preserves.
Now that’s a harp.
Couple with their new baby and fancy old harmonium.
That wallpaper was very badly pasted. I don’t know what that pointy item protruding top right may be.
When washing up was stylish and almost fun.
Two happy gents enjoying a relaxing game of floor Scrabble.
Bubblecar said:
Two happy gents enjoying a relaxing game of floor Scrabble.
Two gay happy gents with a homophobic slur on the board 🤔
Much reading unfolded in the days before telly.
Divine Angel said:
Bubblecar said:
Two happy gents enjoying a relaxing game of floor Scrabble.
Two
gayhappy gents with a homophobic slur on the board 🤔
That was in the days when it meant cigarette etc.
Bubblecar said:
Much reading unfolded in the days before telly.
…but there was also the wireless.
Another fancy harmonium. Dad reads Poultry Keeper, Mom sews, and the dirty-feeted boys play with spinning tops, while the wireless provides the music.
Note the children’s colouring-in adorning the wall.
Bubblecar said:
Two happy gents enjoying a relaxing game of floor Scrabble.
So cool!
Bubblecar said:
Now that’s a harp.
That’s a concert level harp!
Go hiontoch! (Awesome!)
Bubblecar said:
When washing up was stylish and almost fun.
remember the old days when you could join house and wife together, writ housewife, or housewives, spellcheck doesn’t underline it with a wiggle indicating a spelling error, I wonder if one day that word evolution might reverse
and what’s with dresses anyway while i’m about it, where’s the practicality in that, departure from pants, trousers and whatever
what’s the nearest thing to making the ladies stand up to urinate
This lady ran a busy kitchen indeed.
Again just a Shorpy from my Nostalgia/American Interiors folder, in which I neglected to record dates and places etc.
Bubblecar said:
This lady ran a busy kitchen indeed.Again just a Shorpy from my Nostalgia/American Interiors folder, in which I neglected to record dates and places etc.
Now that’s impressive!
I have got to research kitchens more. Make decisions. I am angsting over making the wrong kitchen decisions.
I do love cooking and baking.
I am considering committing to sourdough. I want to do both gluten and gluten-free sourdough if possible. But it’s a challenge in a caravan kitchen.
Stuart Sutcliffe and Astrid Kirchherr
I wonder whether they wore armbands so they could tell themselves apart.
I also wonder what the Beatles would have been like if one of them was like 80 times better looking than the rest, constantly mogging up the album covers like Narcissus in a Gumby sketch.
dv said:
Stuart Sutcliffe and Astrid Kirchherr
I wonder whether they wore armbands so they could tell themselves apart.
I also wonder what the Beatles would have been like if one of them was like 80 times better looking than the rest, constantly mogging up the album covers like Narcissus in a Gumby sketch.
I’ve never wondered about that,
This fellow is very much alone in the world with his socks and his pot-bellied stove.
Michael V will rightly disapprove of the bent flue.
The joy of records held sway for 80 odd years.
Bubblecar said:
The joy of records held sway for 80 odd years.
They couldn’t post their holograms on line and chat to people like they can today, poor wretches.
This little boy is engrossed in a book called Snoozey by Emma McKean, a Tell-A-Tale book from 1944.
Lower picture shows the cover of a surviving example.
Bubblecar said:
This fellow is very much alone in the world with his socks and his pot-bellied stove.Michael V will rightly disapprove of the bent flue.
That wallpaper could use replacing
Bubblecar said:
This little boy is engrossed in a book called Snoozey by Emma McKean, a Tell-A-Tale book from 1944.Lower picture shows the cover of a surviving example.
That reminds me, I wanna trawl the internets for the only Donna Parker book I’m missing. My copy was destroyed by rats a number of years ago.
*looks
$153 on Amazon!!!
*keeps looking
Bubblecar said:
This little boy is engrossed in a book called Snoozey by Emma McKean, a Tell-A-Tale book from 1944.Lower picture shows the cover of a surviving example.
Dapper haircut, hen-themed book caddy, he’s living the dream
Riot of colour in this US kitchen, 1952. Mixing cakes for the farewell party of Ronnie, who has joined the Navy.
Lower picture shows the party crowd in the dining room.
Bubblecar said:
Riot of colour in this US kitchen, 1952. Mixing cakes for the farewell party of Ronnie, who has joined the Navy.Lower picture shows the party crowd in the dining room.
This looks as though it was set up to test the abilities of colour photography.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Riot of colour in this US kitchen, 1952. Mixing cakes for the farewell party of Ronnie, who has joined the Navy.Lower picture shows the party crowd in the dining room.
This looks as though it was set up to test the abilities of colour photography.
Kodachrome carried the day.
Bubblecar said:
This fellow is very much alone in the world with his socks and his pot-bellied stove.Michael V will rightly disapprove of the bent flue.
And I do.
:)
Bubblecar said:
The joy of records held sway for 80 odd years.
Big chair Joy is sitting in.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Riot of colour in this US kitchen, 1952. Mixing cakes for the farewell party of Ronnie, who has joined the Navy.Lower picture shows the party crowd in the dining room.
This looks as though it was set up to test the abilities of colour photography.
Kodachrome carried the day.
Sure did.
Bubblecar said:
The joy of records held sway for 80 odd years.
Some people still enjoy their records.
Over 50,000 of these Bedford QL trucks were made during WW2, so there were loads going for a song shortly after.
Nonetheless many remained in army service for decades to come.
A woman appeared to lean in to kiss Hitler while trying to get his autograph during the 1936 Berlin Olympics.
Fun days hey.
Spiny Norman said:
A woman appeared to lean in to kiss Hitler while trying to get his autograph during the 1936 Berlin Olympics.Fun days hey.
Two years later, Indiana Jones would get that autograph without even asking for it.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
A woman appeared to lean in to kiss Hitler while trying to get his autograph during the 1936 Berlin Olympics.Fun days hey.
Two years later, Indiana Jones would get that autograph without even asking for it.
:)
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
A woman appeared to lean in to kiss Hitler while trying to get his autograph during the 1936 Berlin Olympics.Fun days hey.
Two years later, Indiana Jones would get that autograph without even asking for it.
:)
The worst she can say is no.
dv said:
The worst she can say is no.
either this whole statement is false, or you will say yes
https://www.reddit.com/r/thepast/comments/1w6dmu8/03_september_1967_sweden_has_officially_switched/
General Jodl, chief cheese of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, about to be driven off in a British army Humber FWD after his arrest in May 1945.
He was convicted of war crimes and hanged the following year.
Spiny Norman said:
Wow a blast from the past.
ms spock said:
Spiny Norman said:
Wow a blast from the past.
The last Hot 100 before Triple J went national, and changed the Hot 100 to be just annual releases, as opposed to all time greatest.
Neophyte said:
ms spock said:
Spiny Norman said:
Wow a blast from the past.
The last Hot 100 before Triple J went national, and changed the Hot 100 to be just annual releases, as opposed to all time greatest.
That is not true…
furious said:
Neophyte said:
ms spock said:Wow a blast from the past.
The last Hot 100 before Triple J went national, and changed the Hot 100 to be just annual releases, as opposed to all time greatest.
That is not true…
Well, OK
Neophyte said:
furious said:
Neophyte said:The last Hot 100 before Triple J went national, and changed the Hot 100 to be just annual releases, as opposed to all time greatest.
That is not true…
Well, OK
Last before national, might be, last before annual, is not…
Spiny Norman said:
I thought this might have been dodgy, but it’s not according to Wikipedia. Apparently the 1989 voting was for any song, not just the songs of the previous 12 months.
Before he was an actor, Steve Buscemi was a fireman in a New York station. When the 9/11 attacks occurred he dropped everything and raced back to his old station and helped out for a day or three.
Publicity snap of the 1935 Singer Airstream, one of the futuristic designs of Captain Douglas Fitzmaurice.
Billed as The Car of Tomorrow – Today, sales were poor and it soon became the car of yesterday.
Bubblecar said:
Publicity snap of the 1935 Singer Airstream, one of the futuristic designs of Captain Douglas Fitzmaurice.Billed as The Car of Tomorrow – Today, sales were poor and it soon became the car of yesterday.
First family car, bought when I was about 5, was one of these:
Singer Super Ten
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Publicity snap of the 1935 Singer Airstream, one of the futuristic designs of Captain Douglas Fitzmaurice.Billed as The Car of Tomorrow – Today, sales were poor and it soon became the car of yesterday.
First family car, bought when I was about 5, was one of these:
Singer Super Ten
:)
More subdued styling there, but still a little Art Deco influence. They were fine cars.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Publicity snap of the 1935 Singer Airstream, one of the futuristic designs of Captain Douglas Fitzmaurice.Billed as The Car of Tomorrow – Today, sales were poor and it soon became the car of yesterday.
First family car, bought when I was about 5, was one of these:
Singer Super Ten
:)
More subdued styling there, but still a little Art Deco influence. They were fine cars.
… except for needing to have a kid in the back to bang on the top of the side pillar, to make the left-hand indicator come out :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:First family car, bought when I was about 5, was one of these:
Singer Super Ten
:)
More subdued styling there, but still a little Art Deco influence. They were fine cars.
… except for needing to have a kid in the back to bang on the top of the side pillar, to make the left-hand indicator come out :)
Sluggish trafficator :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Publicity snap of the 1935 Singer Airstream, one of the futuristic designs of Captain Douglas Fitzmaurice.Billed as The Car of Tomorrow – Today, sales were poor and it soon became the car of yesterday.
First family car, bought when I was about 5, was one of these:
Singer Super Ten
Our first family car was one of these, a 1927 Austin 7 Chummy. Dad bought two that weren’t running – one for 5 pounds and the other for 15 pounds. He built one running car. The hood and bows were unserviceable, so he made a plywood top and back with a timber frame that he hung the side curtains from. The first trip was from Wagga to Sydney, a distance of 303 miles with considerable dirt road then. It took 23 hours in December 1954. My travel crib apparently fitted in the back. There was no back seat.
Evocative advertisement from Miles Aircraft, 1944. This innovative firm was based in my home town of Reading, Berkshire.
Sadly the bright future they expected came to to nothing for themselves, as they were defunct by 1947.
Bubblecar said:
Evocative advertisement from Miles Aircraft, 1944. This innovative firm was based in my home town of Reading, Berkshire.Sadly the bright future they expected came to to nothing for themselves, as they were defunct by 1947.
One of the greatest mistakes in aviation was the British government cancelling the Miles M.52 project.
The first manned supersonic aircraft.
Bubblecar said:
Evocative advertisement from Miles Aircraft, 1944. This innovative firm was based in my home town of Reading, Berkshire.Sadly the bright future they expected came to to nothing for themselves, as they were defunct by 1947.
It is pretty much what happened.
Spiny Norman said:
Bubblecar said:
Evocative advertisement from Miles Aircraft, 1944. This innovative firm was based in my home town of Reading, Berkshire.Sadly the bright future they expected came to to nothing for themselves, as they were defunct by 1947.
One of the greatest mistakes in aviation was the British government cancelling the Miles M.52 project.
The first manned supersonic aircraft.
Ta:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.52
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Evocative advertisement from Miles Aircraft, 1944. This innovative firm was based in my home town of Reading, Berkshire.Sadly the bright future they expected came to to nothing for themselves, as they were defunct by 1947.
It is pretty much what happened.
Well, not really. Britain’s railways for example carry far less freight than they did in those days.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Evocative advertisement from Miles Aircraft, 1944. This innovative firm was based in my home town of Reading, Berkshire.Sadly the bright future they expected came to to nothing for themselves, as they were defunct by 1947.
It is pretty much what happened.
Well, not really. Britain’s railways for example carry far less freight than they did in those days.
I was thinking globally, not Britain. Somewhere around 80-90% of all global trade goes by ship. Passengers and high value cargo go by air. Rail is caught a bit betwixt and between, given how hard it is to compete with road haulage. China are talking about long rail connections to their west.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:It is pretty much what happened.
Well, not really. Britain’s railways for example carry far less freight than they did in those days.
I was thinking globally, not Britain. Somewhere around 80-90% of all global trade goes by ship. Passengers and high value cargo go by air. Rail is caught a bit betwixt and between, given how hard it is to compete with road haulage. China are talking about long rail connections to their west.
Fair enough.
Fresh air was once considered an important treatment for tuberculosis. Patients at St Thomas’ Hospital were wheeled outside in their beds onto where they rested in the open air and sunshine. 1935
Spiny Norman said:
Fresh air was once considered an important treatment for tuberculosis. Patients at St Thomas’ Hospital were wheeled outside in their beds onto where they rested in the open air and sunshine. 1935
Yes! There’s a “seat” carved into stone in Deception Bay that is filled when the tide comes in. There’s a plaque saying it was made for Mrs Bancroft. The plaque doesn’t specify which illness but I read elsewhere she was recovering from tuberculosis
Divine Angel said:
Spiny Norman said:
Fresh air was once considered an important treatment for tuberculosis. Patients at St Thomas’ Hospital were wheeled outside in their beds onto where they rested in the open air and sunshine. 1935
Yes! There’s a “seat” carved into stone in Deception Bay that is filled when the tide comes in. There’s a plaque saying it was made for Mrs Bancroft. The plaque doesn’t specify which illness but I read elsewhere she was recovering from tuberculosis
Interesting, ta.
At the 1971 Hot Wheels Northwest National Open in Seattle, Don Prudhomme won the Funny Car final against Dave Condit in an iconic and dramatic finish where Prudhomme’s ‘cuda crossed the finish line in a massive wheelstand while famously on fire and shedding its fiberglass body.
Keep that throttle down mate. :)
Spiny Norman said:
At the 1971 Hot Wheels Northwest National Open in Seattle, Don Prudhomme won the Funny Car final against Dave Condit in an iconic and dramatic finish where Prudhomme’s ‘cuda crossed the finish line in a massive wheelstand while famously on fire and shedding its fiberglass body.
Keep that throttle down mate. :)
Bloody!
(I’ll bet he didn’t even have time to get off the go-pedal after the catastrophic engine-lunching.)
Spiny Norman said:
Well foreseen.
Spiny Norman said:
Heh!
:)
Bentley police cars with detectives, Perth WA, 1930.
These powerful cars with big 6.5 litre engines served for 17 years before retirement.
Bubblecar said:
Bentley police cars with detectives, Perth WA, 1930.These powerful cars with big 6.5 litre engines served for 17 years before retirement.
WO
dv said:
Recruitment requirement for the FBI?
kii said:
dv said:
Recruitment requirement for the FBI?
Lol
ATLAS-I (Air Force Weapons Lab Transmission-Line Aircraft Simulator), better known as Trestle, was a unique electromagnetic pulse (EMP) generation and testing apparatus built between 1972 and 1980 during the Cold War at Sandia National Laboratories near Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
ATLAS-I was the largest NNEMP (non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse) generator in the world, designed to test the radiation hardening of strategic aircraft systems against EMP pulses from nuclear warfare. Built at a cost of $60 million, it was composed of two parts: a pair of powerful Marx generators capable of simulating the electromagnetic pulse effects of a high-altitude nuclear explosion (HANE) of the type expected during a nuclear war, and a giant wooden trestle built in a bowl-shaped arroyo, designed to elevate the test aircraft above ground interference and orient it below the pulse in a similar manner to what would be seen in mid-air.
Trestle is the world’s largest structure composed entirely of wood and glue laminate.
Bertie Kensington-Moir in an early Aston Martin, 104 years ago.
dv said:
Would have raised a laugh at the time. “Hey guys I’m going to be the fucking Pope in the year 2025!”
Bubblecar said:
Bertie Kensington-Moir in an early Aston Martin, 104 years ago.
Looks like the Cleese + 2 Ronnies class sketch.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Bertie Kensington-Moir in an early Aston Martin, 104 years ago.
Looks like the Cleese + 2 Ronnies class sketch.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Bertie Kensington-Moir in an early Aston Martin, 104 years ago.
Looks like the Cleese + 2 Ronnies class sketch.
Their cars are all featured in this big fat book, compiled in the 1980s by a teenage Bentley fanatic.
(You have to register to borrow it)
The Me- 323 Gigant. Footage from world war 2.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1wjyk6c/the_me_323_gigant_footage_from_world_war_2/
It’s nice that they were able to make the relationship work despite their different preferences.
This pleasing Bentley 2-seater of 1929 eventually made its way to America, where it was owned for a while by Micky Dolenz of The Monkees.
Bubblecar said:
This pleasing Bentley 2-seater of 1929 eventually made its way to America, where it was owned for a while by Micky Dolenz of The Monkees.
Oops, wrong one. This was the Monkee-owned Bentley.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
This pleasing Bentley 2-seater of 1929 eventually made its way to America, where it was owned for a while by Micky Dolenz of The Monkees.
Oops, wrong one. This was the Monkee-owned Bentley.
Nice.
The restoration project on Stonehenge in the 1950s. The Trilithon being repaired fell in 1797, and required the use of one of the most heavy-duty crane in the country at the time to lift it back into place. The crane, rated for 60 tons, reportedly struggled to complete the task.
On this day in 1934 the Gresford Colliery disaster took place. In the early hours an explosion tore through the mine, 261 miners were killed, and three rescue workers lost their lives. 254 of the victims are still down there. These are the rescuers that went down into the mine in search of survivors.
Spiny Norman said:
On this day in 1934 the Gresford Colliery disaster took place. In the early hours an explosion tore through the mine, 261 miners were killed, and three rescue workers lost their lives. 254 of the victims are still down there. These are the rescuers that went down into the mine in search of survivors.
Thanks. TIL.
Another celebrity-owned Bentley, this handsome tourer was owned by David Niven in the 1930s. He also owned a Bentley Continental in the 1950s.
Peter Cushing with his toy soldiers, 1950s.
The actor was a collector and constructor of models and miniatures, and conducted wargames on his floor, in the style of H.G. Wells.
These images are from ‘The Church of God With Signs Following’ photographed in the 1960s. Appalachian believers would lift live rattlesnakes out of boxes mid-service because Mark 16 says they’d come to no harm. Nearly 100 have died trying, including the movement’s founder.
Darwin, etc.
Spiny Norman said:
These images are from ‘The Church of God With Signs Following’ photographed in the 1960s. Appalachian believers would lift live rattlesnakes out of boxes mid-service because Mark 16 says they’d come to no harm. Nearly 100 have died trying, including the movement’s founder.
Darwin, etc.
Spiny Norman said:
These images are from ‘The Church of God With Signs Following’ photographed in the 1960s. Appalachian believers would lift live rattlesnakes out of boxes mid-service because Mark 16 says they’d come to no harm. Nearly 100 have died trying, including the movement’s founder.
Darwin, etc.
There’s none so blind as those whose eyes have been bitten by a rattler.
Spiny Norman said:
These images are from ‘The Church of God With Signs Following’ photographed in the 1960s. Appalachian believers would lift live rattlesnakes out of boxes mid-service because Mark 16 says they’d come to no harm. Nearly 100 have died trying, including the movement’s founder.
Darwin, etc.
Not only Appalachians…
Neophyte said:
Spiny Norman said:
These images are from ‘The Church of God With Signs Following’ photographed in the 1960s. Appalachian believers would lift live rattlesnakes out of boxes mid-service because Mark 16 says they’d come to no harm. Nearly 100 have died trying, including the movement’s founder.
Darwin, etc.
Not only Appalachians…
(Bubblecar ought to recognise him)
Neophyte said:
Neophyte said:
Spiny Norman said:
These images are from ‘The Church of God With Signs Following’ photographed in the 1960s. Appalachian believers would lift live rattlesnakes out of boxes mid-service because Mark 16 says they’d come to no harm. Nearly 100 have died trying, including the movement’s founder.
Darwin, etc.
Not only Appalachians…
(Bubblecar ought to recognise him)
Deadly Hedley.
Although other states had their own actors playing Earnest.
Bubblecar said:
Neophyte said:
Neophyte said:Not only Appalachians…
(Bubblecar ought to recognise him)
Deadly Hedley.
Although other states had their own actors playing Earnest.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Neophyte said:(Bubblecar ought to recognise him)
Deadly Hedley.
Although other states had their own actors playing Earnest.
Rare snap of Hedley in uniform.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Deadly Hedley.
Although other states had their own actors playing Earnest.
Rare snap of Hedley in uniform.
I interviewed him for a radio show I was doing in 1990 – he was a nice guy.
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Rare snap of Hedley in uniform.
I interviewed him for a radio show I was doing in 1990 – he was a nice guy.
Cool
Circa 1930. This Sedanca de Ville body by Thrupp & Maberly on the 8 litre Bentley chassis gives an idea of the sheer size of the big Bentleys.
The total cost of this car was £3040 with an annual road tax of £45.
(At a time when the average working class annual income was around £130, lower middle class £200 – £350, middle middle £400 – £600, upper middle £700 – £1,000+ per year).
Bubblecar said:
Circa 1930. This Sedanca de Ville body by Thrupp & Maberly on the 8 litre Bentley chassis gives an idea of the sheer size of the big Bentleys.The total cost of this car was £3040 with an annual road tax of £45.
(At a time when the average working class annual income was around £130, lower middle class £200 – £350, middle middle £400 – £600, upper middle £700 – £1,000+ per year).
Very much a motorised version of the horse and carriage. The way the poor old driver has to sit outside exposed to the elements while the master sits in his little sheltered cubicle. Very aristocratic, very British. Definitely not the sort of car you own for the pleasure of driving it yourself.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Circa 1930. This Sedanca de Ville body by Thrupp & Maberly on the 8 litre Bentley chassis gives an idea of the sheer size of the big Bentleys.The total cost of this car was £3040 with an annual road tax of £45.
(At a time when the average working class annual income was around £130, lower middle class £200 – £350, middle middle £400 – £600, upper middle £700 – £1,000+ per year).
Very much a motorised version of the horse and carriage. The way the poor old driver has to sit outside exposed to the elements while the master sits in his little sheltered cubicle. Very aristocratic, very British. Definitely not the sort of car you own for the pleasure of driving it yourself.
True of that particular car, but most Bentleys were very much sports cars for the wealthy enthusiast. They didn’t sell many limousines, as most buyers of such cars preferred the Rolls Royces and Daimlers etc.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Circa 1930. This Sedanca de Ville body by Thrupp & Maberly on the 8 litre Bentley chassis gives an idea of the sheer size of the big Bentleys.The total cost of this car was £3040 with an annual road tax of £45.
(At a time when the average working class annual income was around £130, lower middle class £200 – £350, middle middle £400 – £600, upper middle £700 – £1,000+ per year).
Very much a motorised version of the horse and carriage. The way the poor old driver has to sit outside exposed to the elements while the master sits in his little sheltered cubicle. Very aristocratic, very British. Definitely not the sort of car you own for the pleasure of driving it yourself.
True of that particular car, but most Bentleys were very much sports cars for the wealthy enthusiast. They didn’t sell many limousines, as most buyers of such cars preferred the Rolls Royces and Daimlers etc.
…the difference being that the 8 litre Bentley limousine could easily outpace the RRs and Daimlers, if necessary. Even with that body weight it could possibly reach 100mph.
The engine of that particular car eventually went into a yacht, and the body and chassis went to an undertaker.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Circa 1930. This Sedanca de Ville body by Thrupp & Maberly on the 8 litre Bentley chassis gives an idea of the sheer size of the big Bentleys.The total cost of this car was £3040 with an annual road tax of £45.
(At a time when the average working class annual income was around £130, lower middle class £200 – £350, middle middle £400 – £600, upper middle £700 – £1,000+ per year).
Very much a motorised version of the horse and carriage. The way the poor old driver has to sit outside exposed to the elements while the master sits in his little sheltered cubicle. Very aristocratic, very British. Definitely not the sort of car you own for the pleasure of driving it yourself.
True of that particular car, but most Bentleys were very much sports cars for the wealthy enthusiast. They didn’t sell many limousines, as most buyers of such cars preferred the Rolls Royces and Daimlers etc.
Really? I thought Bentley’s were more prodigious than those two. The Queen never got around in a mere Rolls Royce. Also that price range pretty much applies for Bentleys to this day.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:Very much a motorised version of the horse and carriage. The way the poor old driver has to sit outside exposed to the elements while the master sits in his little sheltered cubicle. Very aristocratic, very British. Definitely not the sort of car you own for the pleasure of driving it yourself.
True of that particular car, but most Bentleys were very much sports cars for the wealthy enthusiast. They didn’t sell many limousines, as most buyers of such cars preferred the Rolls Royces and Daimlers etc.
Really? I thought Bentley’s were more prodigious than those two. The Queen never got around in a mere Rolls Royce. Also that price range pretty much applies for Bentleys to this day.
Prestigious.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:Very much a motorised version of the horse and carriage. The way the poor old driver has to sit outside exposed to the elements while the master sits in his little sheltered cubicle. Very aristocratic, very British. Definitely not the sort of car you own for the pleasure of driving it yourself.
True of that particular car, but most Bentleys were very much sports cars for the wealthy enthusiast. They didn’t sell many limousines, as most buyers of such cars preferred the Rolls Royces and Daimlers etc.
Really? I thought Bentley’s were more prodigious than those two. The Queen never got around in a mere Rolls Royce. Also that price range pretty much applies for Bentleys to this day.
They were popular amongst the more sporty aristocracy, but such associations were not for those wanting more dignified conveyance. British royalty in those days favoured Daimlers.
Post war, Bentley was owned by Rolls Royce and most of the cars were identical apart from the radiator grille. The exceptions for a while were the Bentley Continentals which were specially bodied sporty offerings.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:True of that particular car, but most Bentleys were very much sports cars for the wealthy enthusiast. They didn’t sell many limousines, as most buyers of such cars preferred the Rolls Royces and Daimlers etc.
Really? I thought Bentley’s were more prodigious than those two. The Queen never got around in a mere Rolls Royce. Also that price range pretty much applies for Bentleys to this day.
Prestigious.
Hmmm… My bad. It seems the Queen was a bit of a miser when it came to cars.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Really? I thought Bentley’s were more prodigious than those two. The Queen never got around in a mere Rolls Royce. Also that price range pretty much applies for Bentleys to this day.
Prestigious.
Hmmm… My bad. It seems the Queen was a bit of a miser when it came to cars.
In the Queen’s day, there was very little difference between a Bentley and a Rolls Royce apart from the radiator grille.
The days of the purebred Bentley sports cars (which no Queen would want to be seen in) were long gone.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Prestigious.
Hmmm… My bad. It seems the Queen was a bit of a miser when it came to cars.
In the Queen’s day, there was very little difference between a Bentley and a Rolls Royce apart from the radiator grille.
The days of the purebred Bentley sports cars (which no Queen would want to be seen in) were long gone.
A little less well known than John Lennon’s, yellow Romany style painted Rolls-Royce Phantom V, the ‘Beatles Bentley’, S1, was another extraordinary and controversial, artistically decorated car in the mid 1960’s. The Bentley S was acquired by the Beatles Apple Corp, in early 1968, when they took over Dandie Fashions, it seems coincidental that the British registration for this 1956 Bentley S1, was 222 APL, almost bizarrely appropriate, as Lennon’s Rolls-Royce was 111, (FJB111C). The 1956 Bentley S was originally owned by the Countess of Middleton. The car was purchased in 1966, by John Crittle, owner of Dandie Fashions, the boutique clothing and tailoring shop.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Hmmm… My bad. It seems the Queen was a bit of a miser when it came to cars.
In the Queen’s day, there was very little difference between a Bentley and a Rolls Royce apart from the radiator grille.
The days of the purebred Bentley sports cars (which no Queen would want to be seen in) were long gone.
A little less well known than John Lennon’s, yellow Romany style painted Rolls-Royce Phantom V, the ‘Beatles Bentley’, S1, was another extraordinary and controversial, artistically decorated car in the mid 1960’s. The Bentley S was acquired by the Beatles Apple Corp, in early 1968, when they took over Dandie Fashions, it seems coincidental that the British registration for this 1956 Bentley S1, was 222 APL, almost bizarrely appropriate, as Lennon’s Rolls-Royce was 111, (FJB111C). The 1956 Bentley S was originally owned by the Countess of Middleton. The car was purchased in 1966, by John Crittle, owner of Dandie Fashions, the boutique clothing and tailoring shop.
The Bentley S1 was the Rolls Royce Silver Cloud 1 with a Bentley radiator grille.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:In the Queen’s day, there was very little difference between a Bentley and a Rolls Royce apart from the radiator grille.
The days of the purebred Bentley sports cars (which no Queen would want to be seen in) were long gone.
A little less well known than John Lennon’s, yellow Romany style painted Rolls-Royce Phantom V, the ‘Beatles Bentley’, S1, was another extraordinary and controversial, artistically decorated car in the mid 1960’s. The Bentley S was acquired by the Beatles Apple Corp, in early 1968, when they took over Dandie Fashions, it seems coincidental that the British registration for this 1956 Bentley S1, was 222 APL, almost bizarrely appropriate, as Lennon’s Rolls-Royce was 111, (FJB111C). The 1956 Bentley S was originally owned by the Countess of Middleton. The car was purchased in 1966, by John Crittle, owner of Dandie Fashions, the boutique clothing and tailoring shop.
The Bentley S1 was the Rolls Royce Silver Cloud 1 with a Bentley radiator grille.
I see.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Really? I thought Bentley’s were more prodigious than those two. The Queen never got around in a mere Rolls Royce. Also that price range pretty much applies for Bentleys to this day.
HM the late Q did have a Roller or two at her call, but would more often be seen in Bentleys.
As would any proper person.
Rollers are nice enough, they came out of the same sta1ble as did Bentleys for a long time, but RRs were thought to be the goal of the nouveau riche, so the proper people would enjoy the same standard without that association by having Bentleys.
The Queen much preferred Land Rovers and Range Rovers for her own driving, owning dozens of them in her time. Having been a driver in the Auxiliary Territorial Service (ATS) in WW2, and learning there about vehicle operation and maintenance, she appreciated the L & R Rovers for what they could do.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Really? I thought Bentley’s were more prodigious than those two. The Queen never got around in a mere Rolls Royce. Also that price range pretty much applies for Bentleys to this day.
HM the late Q did have a Roller or two at her call, but would more often be seen in Bentleys.
As would any proper person.
Rollers are nice enough, they came out of the same sta1ble as did Bentleys for a long time, but RRs were thought to be the goal of the nouveau riche, so the proper people would enjoy the same standard without that association by having Bentleys.
The Queen much preferred Land Rovers and Range Rovers for her own driving, owning dozens of them in her time. Having been a driver in the Auxiliary Territorial Service (ATS) in WW2, and learning there about vehicle operation and maintenance, she appreciated the L & R Rovers for what they could do.
I had a Rolls Canardly Landrover.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Really? I thought Bentley’s were more prodigious than those two. The Queen never got around in a mere Rolls Royce. Also that price range pretty much applies for Bentleys to this day.
HM the late Q did have a Roller or two at her call, but would more often be seen in Bentleys.
As would any proper person.
Rollers are nice enough, they came out of the same sta1ble as did Bentleys for a long time, but RRs were thought to be the goal of the nouveau riche, so the proper people would enjoy the same standard without that association by having Bentleys.
The Queen much preferred Land Rovers and Range Rovers for her own driving, owning dozens of them in her time. Having been a driver in the Auxiliary Territorial Service (ATS) in WW2, and learning there about vehicle operation and maintenance, she appreciated the L & R Rovers for what they could do.
I had a Rolls Canardly Landrover.
I knew about them. That’s why I bought a Toyota HJ60 Landcruiser.
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:HM the late Q did have a Roller or two at her call, but would more often be seen in Bentleys.
As would any proper person.
Rollers are nice enough, they came out of the same sta1ble as did Bentleys for a long time, but RRs were thought to be the goal of the nouveau riche, so the proper people would enjoy the same standard without that association by having Bentleys.
The Queen much preferred Land Rovers and Range Rovers for her own driving, owning dozens of them in her time. Having been a driver in the Auxiliary Territorial Service (ATS) in WW2, and learning there about vehicle operation and maintenance, she appreciated the L & R Rovers for what they could do.
I had a Rolls Canardly Landrover.
I knew about them. That’s why I bought a Toyota HJ60 Landcruiser.
my second 4wd was a HJ47
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:I had a Rolls Canardly Landrover.
I knew about them. That’s why I bought a Toyota HJ60 Landcruiser.
my second 4wd was a HJ47
3rd was a FJ40 and now a d-max. and several cars inbetween.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:I had a Rolls Canardly Landrover.
I knew about them. That’s why I bought a Toyota HJ60 Landcruiser.
my second 4wd was a HJ47
Troopy or ute?
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:I knew about them. That’s why I bought a Toyota HJ60 Landcruiser.
my second 4wd was a HJ47
3rd was a FJ40 and now a d-max. and several cars inbetween.
We now just have the very economical FWD Mazda 2.
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:I knew about them. That’s why I bought a Toyota HJ60 Landcruiser.
my second 4wd was a HJ47
Troopy or ute?
Tray back. Never liked utes. I liked the easy access all round with a tray. My D-Max is a tray with space cab.
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:I knew about them. That’s why I bought a Toyota HJ60 Landcruiser.
my second 4wd was a HJ47
3rd was a FJ40 and now a d-max. and several cars inbetween.
You’re not very good at this. PWM is on his 27th ute… and countin’
A transparent dome over Manhattan, proposed by Buckminster Fuller and Shoji Sadao in 1960. Two miles wide and about a mile high, it would turn Midtown into a climate-controlled paradise.
Spiny Norman said:
A transparent dome over Manhattan, proposed by Buckminster Fuller and Shoji Sadao in 1960. Two miles wide and about a mile high, it would turn Midtown into a climate-controlled paradise.
Couldn’t have been the world’s biggest mould farm.
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
A transparent dome over Manhattan, proposed by Buckminster Fuller and Shoji Sadao in 1960. Two miles wide and about a mile high, it would turn Midtown into a climate-controlled paradise.
Couldn’t have been the world’s biggest mould farm.
Um, could’ve been, not couldn’t.
Spiny Norman said:
A transparent dome over Manhattan, proposed by Buckminster Fuller and Shoji Sadao in 1960. Two miles wide and about a mile high, it would turn Midtown into a climate-controlled paradise.
https://www.fastcompany.com/3058386/how-buckminster-fuller-made-a-dome-over-manhattan-sound-sensible
He proposed a geodesic dome.. unlike that illustration.
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
A transparent dome over Manhattan, proposed by Buckminster Fuller and Shoji Sadao in 1960. Two miles wide and about a mile high, it would turn Midtown into a climate-controlled paradise.
https://www.fastcompany.com/3058386/how-buckminster-fuller-made-a-dome-over-manhattan-sound-sensible
He proposed a geodesic dome.. unlike that illustration.
I wonder if that sort of thing would get unbearabl hot in summer and require massive amounts of aircon and cooling.
party_pants said:
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
A transparent dome over Manhattan, proposed by Buckminster Fuller and Shoji Sadao in 1960. Two miles wide and about a mile high, it would turn Midtown into a climate-controlled paradise.
https://www.fastcompany.com/3058386/how-buckminster-fuller-made-a-dome-over-manhattan-sound-sensible
He proposed a geodesic dome.. unlike that illustration.
I wonder if that sort of thing would get unbearabl hot in summer and require massive amounts of aircon and cooling.
And aside from that, all the fumes from the vehicles delivering stuff and moving things and people.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Ian said:https://www.fastcompany.com/3058386/how-buckminster-fuller-made-a-dome-over-manhattan-sound-sensible
He proposed a geodesic dome.. unlike that illustration.
I wonder if that sort of thing would get unbearabl hot in summer and require massive amounts of aircon and cooling.
And aside from that, all the fumes from the vehicles delivering stuff and moving things and people.
And all the mould due to warm damp conditions and lack of fresh air.
party_pants said:
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
A transparent dome over Manhattan, proposed by Buckminster Fuller and Shoji Sadao in 1960. Two miles wide and about a mile high, it would turn Midtown into a climate-controlled paradise.
https://www.fastcompany.com/3058386/how-buckminster-fuller-made-a-dome-over-manhattan-sound-sensible
He proposed a geodesic dome.. unlike that illustration.
I wonder if that sort of thing would get unbearabl hot in summer and require massive amounts of aircon and cooling.
have a hole in the top. like the Patheon.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Ian said:https://www.fastcompany.com/3058386/how-buckminster-fuller-made-a-dome-over-manhattan-sound-sensible
He proposed a geodesic dome.. unlike that illustration.
I wonder if that sort of thing would get unbearabl hot in summer and require massive amounts of aircon and cooling.
And aside from that, all the fumes from the vehicles delivering stuff and moving things and people.
I guess you’d have to have all electric transportation only. Including buses and trams and so on, even the old futurist staple “moving sidewalks”.
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
Ian said:https://www.fastcompany.com/3058386/how-buckminster-fuller-made-a-dome-over-manhattan-sound-sensible
He proposed a geodesic dome.. unlike that illustration.
I wonder if that sort of thing would get unbearabl hot in summer and require massive amounts of aircon and cooling.
have a hole in the top. like the Patheon.
Would you like an “n”?
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:I wonder if that sort of thing would get unbearabl hot in summer and require massive amounts of aircon and cooling.
have a hole in the top. like the Patheon.
Would you like an “n”?
can I have a “y” while you’re handing out letters?
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:I wonder if that sort of thing would get unbearabl hot in summer and require massive amounts of aircon and cooling.
have a hole in the top. like the Patheon.
Would you like an “n”?
if it makes you happy.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:have a hole in the top. like the Patheon.
Would you like an “n”?
can I have a “y” while you’re handing out letters?
Yeah, no problems.
Have a “y”.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:have a hole in the top. like the Patheon.
Would you like an “n”?
if it makes you happy.
It will.
Here, have an “n”.
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
A transparent dome over Manhattan, proposed by Buckminster Fuller and Shoji Sadao in 1960. Two miles wide and about a mile high, it would turn Midtown into a climate-controlled paradise.
https://www.fastcompany.com/3058386/how-buckminster-fuller-made-a-dome-over-manhattan-sound-sensible
He proposed a geodesic dome.. unlike that illustration.
and the biggest geodesic dome managed so far is in Jeddah:
which is a massive 1/8 of the proposed diameter and 1/30 the height.
The Hardiman exoskeleton, unveiled by General Electric in 1967. It aimed to allow workers or soldiers to lift hundreds of pounds with little effort, with an ultimate target of lifting up to 1,500 pounds. The project was however unsuccessful overall.
‘OK, honey, where’s that pickle jar?’
captain_spalding said:
‘OK, honey, where’s that pickle jar?’
LOL
I’ll raise you a Brix JarKey.
How the Kiwis really see us:
New Zealand spurns the Ogre, ‘New Zealand Graphic’, 20 October 1900
The Rev Dodgson said:
How the Kiwis really see us:
New Zealand spurns the Ogre, ‘New Zealand Graphic’, 20 October 1900
That man in a toga is displeased.
dv said:
Well, at least they seem to have learnt that
you can’t stop the music, nobody can stop the music.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Well, at least they seem to have learnt that
you can’t stop the music, nobody can stop the music.
I wouldn’t blame it on the sunshine, not would I blame it on the moonlight, I would however lame it on the boogey.
How to carry pigeons, Soviet style.
Spiny Norman said:
How to carry pigeons, Soviet style.
Carrier pigeons?
Australian gunners on a duckboard track in Château Wood, near Hooge, 29 October 1917. Photo by Frank Hurley. The same Frank Hurley that was the official photographer on Shackleton’s Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HorridHistory/comments/1wzasn7/australian_gunners_on_a_duckboard_track_in/
Wedding rings that were removed from holocaust victims before they were executed circa 1945.
:(
Spiny Norman said:
Good!
Spiny Norman said:
You can’t even see the secret alien bases.
Spiny Norman said:
Wedding rings that were removed from holocaust victims before they were executed circa 1945.
:(
And they’ll do it again, given half a chance.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Wedding rings that were removed from holocaust victims before they were executed circa 1945.
:(
And they’ll do it again, given half a chance.
Why do you say that?
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Wedding rings that were removed from holocaust victims before they were executed circa 1945.
:(
And they’ll do it again, given half a chance.
Why do you say that?
Because leopards never change their spots, and neo-Nazis just want to be murderous genocidal thugs.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:And they’ll do it again, given half a chance.
Why do you say that?
Because leopards never change their spots, and neo-Nazis just want to be murderous genocidal thugs.
Ah. Neo-Nazis. Yes. Fascists, yes.
(I though you were referring to Germans in general, and I didn’t understand.)
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Why do you say that?
Because leopards never change their spots, and neo-Nazis just want to be murderous genocidal thugs.
Ah. Neo-Nazis. Yes. Fascists, yes.
(I though you were referring to Germans in general, and I didn’t understand.)
No, not G.I.G. (Germans In General). They’re good people.
Back in the late 70s, i asked a Holocaust survivor what he thought of ‘today’s’ Germans.
‘I like them’, he said.
“They’re not the people who did those things to us. It’s not their fault. They know what happened, and they hate that it happened. They’re new and bright and better’.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:Because leopards never change their spots, and neo-Nazis just want to be murderous genocidal thugs.
Ah. Neo-Nazis. Yes. Fascists, yes.
(I though you were referring to Germans in general, and I didn’t understand.)
No, not G.I.G. (Germans In General). They’re good people.
Back in the late 70s, i asked a Holocaust survivor what he thought of ‘today’s’ Germans.
‘I like them’, he said.
“They’re not the people who did those things to us. It’s not their fault. They know what happened, and they hate that it happened. They’re new and bright and better’.
Met a German couple while river tubing last week. They’d never heard of Survivor 🫠
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:Because leopards never change their spots, and neo-Nazis just want to be murderous genocidal thugs.
Ah. Neo-Nazis. Yes. Fascists, yes.
(I though you were referring to Germans in general, and I didn’t understand.)
No, not G.I.G. (Germans In General). They’re good people.
Back in the late 70s, i asked a Holocaust survivor what he thought of ‘today’s’ Germans.
‘I like them’, he said.
“They’re not the people who did those things to us. It’s not their fault. They know what happened, and they hate that it happened. They’re new and bright and better’.
given that my father was German, I can agree with they are not all bad people. And knowing my grandparents (albeit briefly) even the ones around during that time were not ‘all bad people’.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:Because leopards never change their spots, and neo-Nazis just want to be murderous genocidal thugs.
Ah. Neo-Nazis. Yes. Fascists, yes.
(I though you were referring to Germans in general, and I didn’t understand.)
No, not G.I.G. (Germans In General). They’re good people.
Back in the late 70s, i asked a Holocaust survivor what he thought of ‘today’s’ Germans.
‘I like them’, he said.
“They’re not the people who did those things to us. It’s not their fault. They know what happened, and they hate that it happened. They’re new and bright and better’.
Yes Forgive and forget Major, they’re just like us now,
Spiny Norman said:
Wedding rings that were removed from holocaust victims before they were executed circa 1945.
:(
to this day one of the most memorable and impactful museums I have ever visited was the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. There were boxes of displays like this, but the most powerful room, by far was the one where you walked on a small bridge over a river of shoes. The silence, the smell, the sheer numbers of this very human object was incredibly sobering… I can still feel it.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Ah. Neo-Nazis. Yes. Fascists, yes.
(I though you were referring to Germans in general, and I didn’t understand.)
No, not G.I.G. (Germans In General). They’re good people.
Back in the late 70s, i asked a Holocaust survivor what he thought of ‘today’s’ Germans.
‘I like them’, he said.
“They’re not the people who did those things to us. It’s not their fault. They know what happened, and they hate that it happened. They’re new and bright and better’.
Yes Forgive and forget Major, they’re just like us now,
And then there was that German girl I met once, took her to see India, at the Oval.
She’s still got my wallett.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Ah. Neo-Nazis. Yes. Fascists, yes.
(I though you were referring to Germans in general, and I didn’t understand.)
No, not G.I.G. (Germans In General). They’re good people.
Back in the late 70s, i asked a Holocaust survivor what he thought of ‘today’s’ Germans.
‘I like them’, he said.
“They’re not the people who did those things to us. It’s not their fault. They know what happened, and they hate that it happened. They’re new and bright and better’.
given that my father was German, I can agree with they are not all bad people. And knowing my grandparents (albeit briefly) even the ones around during that time were not ‘all bad people’.
What Would Hannah Arendt Do
Or Say
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Ah. Neo-Nazis. Yes. Fascists, yes.
(I though you were referring to Germans in general, and I didn’t understand.)
No, not G.I.G. (Germans In General). They’re good people.
Back in the late 70s, i asked a Holocaust survivor what he thought of ‘today’s’ Germans.
‘I like them’, he said.
“They’re not the people who did those things to us. It’s not their fault. They know what happened, and they hate that it happened. They’re new and bright and better’.
Yes Forgive and forget Major, they’re just like us now,
they nowtoo have god on their side…
Arts said:
Spiny Norman said:
Wedding rings that were removed from holocaust victims before they were executed circa 1945.
:(
to this day one of the most memorable and impactful museums I have ever visited was the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. There were boxes of displays like this, but the most powerful room, by far was the one where you walked on a small bridge over a river of shoes. The silence, the smell, the sheer numbers of this very human object was incredibly sobering… I can still feel it.
Similarly for me but a different genocide museum, where more than 250,000 people are interred: Kigali Genocide Memorial, Rwanda, on Wikipedia , in particular The Children’s Room. I am in tears trying to write about how moving it was. A picture of a child (sometimes no picture). A name. A short list of favourites (eg colour, game, toy, activity, clothes). Method of death (eg “Bashed to death with a car axle.”).
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
No, not G.I.G. (Germans In General). They’re good people.
Back in the late 70s, i asked a Holocaust survivor what he thought of ‘today’s’ Germans.
‘I like them’, he said.
“They’re not the people who did those things to us. It’s not their fault. They know what happened, and they hate that it happened. They’re new and bright and better’.
given that my father was German, I can agree with they are not all bad people. And knowing my grandparents (albeit briefly) even the ones around during that time were not ‘all bad people’.
What Would Hannah Arendt Do
Or Say
Probably that, under certain circumstances, and with exposure to a sufficient level of indoctrination and manipulation, both you, SCIENCE, and me, could do similar things.
Innes Ireland pushing his Lotus 18 uphill past the Hotel de Paris during the 1960 Monaco Grand Prix. Innes reasoned that if he pushed the car to the top at Casino, he could then coast downhill back to sea level and continue pushing it to the checkered flag. He did so to finish 9th.
Spiny Norman said:
Innes Ireland pushing his Lotus 18 uphill past the Hotel de Paris during the 1960 Monaco Grand Prix. Innes reasoned that if he pushed the car to the top at Casino, he could then coast downhill back to sea level and continue pushing it to the checkered flag. He did so to finish 9th.
I’d like to see a driver push a modern F1 up a hill.
I remember in my youth, tins of so-called Australian Salmon (Arripis trutta, actually a kind of perch) were still widely available. It was a coarse, oily fish of limited appeal but very cheap, hence a classic student food.
Today, although still a very abundant fish, it’s mainly used in pet food or as a bait fish. Can’t help thinking it could be more palatable if smoked or pickled. There have been some attempts to relaunch it for human consumption, to little effect.
Bubblecar said:
I remember in my youth, tins of so-called Australian Salmon (Arripis trutta, actually a kind of perch) were still widely available. It was a coarse, oily fish of limited appeal but very cheap, hence a classic student food.Today, although still a very abundant fish, it’s mainly used in pet food or as a bait fish. Can’t help thinking it could be more palatable if smoked or pickled. There have been some attempts to relaunch it for human consumption, to little effect.
I remember ‘Australian salmon’.
Didn’t mind it at all, IIRC.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
I remember in my youth, tins of so-called Australian Salmon (Arripis trutta, actually a kind of perch) were still widely available. It was a coarse, oily fish of limited appeal but very cheap, hence a classic student food.Today, although still a very abundant fish, it’s mainly used in pet food or as a bait fish. Can’t help thinking it could be more palatable if smoked or pickled. There have been some attempts to relaunch it for human consumption, to little effect.
I remember ‘Australian salmon’.
Didn’t mind it at all, IIRC.
It was edible and could be quite nice in the right recipe. Not generally regarded as much of a treat, though.
Bubblecar said:
I remember in my youth, tins of so-called Australian Salmon (Arripis trutta, actually a kind of perch) were still widely available. It was a coarse, oily fish of limited appeal but very cheap, hence a classic student food.Today, although still a very abundant fish, it’s mainly used in pet food or as a bait fish. Can’t help thinking it could be more palatable if smoked or pickled. There have been some attempts to relaunch it for human consumption, to little effect.
I don’t recall eating it myself. But I do know it has a reputation for being quite oily and has a strong “fishy” taste. It is a very popular sports fish, but all the fishing guides say that if you are going to eat it you must kill it immediately and then cut or severe the head/gills and let it bleed out. Then store it on ice or in an ice slurry. The oily flesh spoils quickly if not handled carefully. I recall Rex Hunt doing this procedure on his fishing show in the 90s and getting into great controversy for animal cruelty.
Probably too much effort for commercial fishers to handle each fish individually at sea.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
I remember in my youth, tins of so-called Australian Salmon (Arripis trutta, actually a kind of perch) were still widely available. It was a coarse, oily fish of limited appeal but very cheap, hence a classic student food.Today, although still a very abundant fish, it’s mainly used in pet food or as a bait fish. Can’t help thinking it could be more palatable if smoked or pickled. There have been some attempts to relaunch it for human consumption, to little effect.
I don’t recall eating it myself. But I do know it has a reputation for being quite oily and has a strong “fishy” taste. It is a very popular sports fish, but all the fishing guides say that if you are going to eat it you must kill it immediately and then cut or severe the head/gills and let it bleed out. Then store it on ice or in an ice slurry. The oily flesh spoils quickly if not handled carefully. I recall Rex Hunt doing this procedure on his fishing show in the 90s and getting into great controversy for animal cruelty.
Probably too much effort for commercial fishers to handle each fish individually at sea.
Yes. I think all the expertise for mass canning of this fish for human consumption is probably lost.
There were some experiments with hot-smoking of the fish with excellent results apparently, but it came to naught commercially.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
I remember in my youth, tins of so-called Australian Salmon (Arripis trutta, actually a kind of perch) were still widely available. It was a coarse, oily fish of limited appeal but very cheap, hence a classic student food.Today, although still a very abundant fish, it’s mainly used in pet food or as a bait fish. Can’t help thinking it could be more palatable if smoked or pickled. There have been some attempts to relaunch it for human consumption, to little effect.
I don’t recall eating it myself. But I do know it has a reputation for being quite oily and has a strong “fishy” taste. It is a very popular sports fish, but all the fishing guides say that if you are going to eat it you must kill it immediately and then cut or severe the head/gills and let it bleed out. Then store it on ice or in an ice slurry. The oily flesh spoils quickly if not handled carefully. I recall Rex Hunt doing this procedure on his fishing show in the 90s and getting into great controversy for animal cruelty.
Probably too much effort for commercial fishers to handle each fish individually at sea.
SOunds a lot like what you have to do with mullet.
Handled right, and cooked properly. mullet is quite nice.
Makes great deep-fried ‘fish bites’.
I’ve actually seen someone who protested that they’d never eat mullet ask for more ‘fish bites’ , unaware of what they were made from.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
I remember in my youth, tins of so-called Australian Salmon (Arripis trutta, actually a kind of perch) were still widely available. It was a coarse, oily fish of limited appeal but very cheap, hence a classic student food.Today, although still a very abundant fish, it’s mainly used in pet food or as a bait fish. Can’t help thinking it could be more palatable if smoked or pickled. There have been some attempts to relaunch it for human consumption, to little effect.
I don’t recall eating it myself. But I do know it has a reputation for being quite oily and has a strong “fishy” taste. It is a very popular sports fish, but all the fishing guides say that if you are going to eat it you must kill it immediately and then cut or severe the head/gills and let it bleed out. Then store it on ice or in an ice slurry. The oily flesh spoils quickly if not handled carefully. I recall Rex Hunt doing this procedure on his fishing show in the 90s and getting into great controversy for animal cruelty.
Probably too much effort for commercial fishers to handle each fish individually at sea.
used to catch them from Ninety Mile beach in Gippsland. Mum would batter the fillets for fish and chips. Very nice. These were not large salmon, maybe a kilo and a half.
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
I remember in my youth, tins of so-called Australian Salmon (Arripis trutta, actually a kind of perch) were still widely available. It was a coarse, oily fish of limited appeal but very cheap, hence a classic student food.Today, although still a very abundant fish, it’s mainly used in pet food or as a bait fish. Can’t help thinking it could be more palatable if smoked or pickled. There have been some attempts to relaunch it for human consumption, to little effect.
I don’t recall eating it myself. But I do know it has a reputation for being quite oily and has a strong “fishy” taste. It is a very popular sports fish, but all the fishing guides say that if you are going to eat it you must kill it immediately and then cut or severe the head/gills and let it bleed out. Then store it on ice or in an ice slurry. The oily flesh spoils quickly if not handled carefully. I recall Rex Hunt doing this procedure on his fishing show in the 90s and getting into great controversy for animal cruelty.
Probably too much effort for commercial fishers to handle each fish individually at sea.
used to catch them from Ninety Mile beach in Gippsland. Mum would batter the fillets for fish and chips. Very nice. These were not large salmon, maybe a kilo and a half.
Still a popular game fish. And very popular with Māori in NZ.
From the days when nobody minded food touched by human hand.
USS Portland (CA 33) in the Cockatoo Drydock, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, circa late 1942, while under repair for torpedo damage received in the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal on 13 November 1942.
Swiss electric locomotive of 1913, with side panels removed, showing the workings.
Not a very efficient design as the motion of the huge motors and connecting rods subjected the frame to heavy stresses.
Bubblecar said:
Swiss electric locomotive of 1913, with side panels removed, showing the workings.Not a very efficient design as the motion of the huge motors and connecting rods subjected the frame to heavy stresses.
They should stick to watchs.
dv said:
EX-LAX – it shits all over the other laxatives
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
Bubblecar said:
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
I believe it was 1916 when they gassed the Kurds?
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
I believe it was 1916 when they gassed the Kurds?
Thus establishing a tradition which endures to this day.
Bubblecar said:
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
Why are they all called Smith?
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
Why are they all called Smith?
No, it’s just the one bloke, on the left.
The other one is his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps.
Weird name, but people got used to it fairly quickly.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
I believe it was 1916 when they gassed the Kurds?
Australians aircraft were not involved in such goings on.
The RAF (British) used tear gas against Kurdish and Arab tribes in 1919 -1920.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
Why are they all called Smith?
No, it’s just the one bloke, on the left.
The other one is his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps.
Weird name, but people got used to it fairly quickly.
His observer is not named in the original caption. Might have been something like Dicky, Fishhead or Stinker.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
I believe it was 1916 when they gassed the Kurds?
Australians aircraft were not involved in such goings on.
The RAF (British) used tear gas against Kurdish and Arab tribes in 1919 -1920.
British aviators never flew without their Colt Model 1911 pistol, specifically chambered in .455 Webley.
This was because, if you had to make an emergency landing or a crash landing somewhere out in the inhospitable desert, you did not want to be taken alive by the tribespeople.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
I believe it was 1916 when they gassed the Kurds?
Australians aircraft were not involved in such goings on.
The RAF (British) used tear gas against Kurdish and Arab tribes in 1919 -1920.
Didn’t know that. How horrible.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
I believe it was 1916 when they gassed the Kurds?
Australians aircraft were not involved in such goings on.
The RAF (British) used tear gas against Kurdish and Arab tribes in 1919 -1920.
Yes.
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:Why are they all called Smith?
No, it’s just the one bloke, on the left.
The other one is his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps.
Weird name, but people got used to it fairly quickly.
His observer is not named in the original caption. Might have been something like Dicky, Fishhead or Stinker.
Biggles’ mate was Ginger.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:I believe it was 1916 when they gassed the Kurds?
Australians aircraft were not involved in such goings on.
The RAF (British) used tear gas against Kurdish and Arab tribes in 1919 -1920.
British aviators never flew without their Colt Model 1911 pistol, specifically chambered in .455 Webley.
This was because, if you had to make an emergency landing or a crash landing somewhere out in the inhospitable desert, you did not want to be taken alive by the tribespeople.
Scary stuff.
Bubblecar said:
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
Good one.
:)
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Palestine, February 1918. Captain Ross Smith (left) and his observer, 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps, with their Bristol F.2B.
Good one.
:)
I daresay this image was hand coloured.
Torpedo ram HMS Polyphemus in drydock in Malta, circa 1900. A Royal Navy protected torpedo boat designed to force its entry in enemy harbors, using the ram to cut through booms or as a secondary weapon.
Spiny Norman said:
Torpedo ram HMS Polyphemus in drydock in Malta, circa 1900. A Royal Navy protected torpedo boat designed to force its entry in enemy harbors, using the ram to cut through booms or as a secondary weapon.
Interesting, ta.
Advertisement for British-made airliner seating, 1935.
The Descent and Ascent Stages of the test Lunar Module (LTA-3) being to mating together in vibration test fixture at Grumman’s Lab Facilities in New York. October 17, 1966.
Spiny Norman said:
The Descent and Ascent Stages of the test Lunar Module (LTA-3) being to mating together in vibration test fixture at Grumman’s Lab Facilities in New York. October 17, 1966.
I don’t think that most people realise just how big those things were, or of their capabilities and the work that went into them.
There’s a very good book about it, ‘Chariots for Apollo: A History of Manned Lunar Spacecraft’ which came out in 1979. So many ‘firsts’ went into their development which is not really surprising. Quite notable was the striving for reliability, which may have been one reason why the Grumman ‘ironworks’ got the job.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Descent and Ascent Stages of the test Lunar Module (LTA-3) being to mating together in vibration test fixture at Grumman’s Lab Facilities in New York. October 17, 1966.
I don’t think that most people realise just how big those things were, or of their capabilities and the work that went into them.
There’s a very good book about it, ‘Chariots for Apollo: A History of Manned Lunar Spacecraft’ which came out in 1979. So many ‘firsts’ went into their development which is not really surprising. Quite notable was the striving for reliability, which may have been one reason why the Grumman ‘ironworks’ got the job.
Do you simplicity works for space flight.
Do modern computers, electronics complicated the procedure and slow it down.
Less risk taking obviously slows it down which I imagine during the Apollo missions was still important to reduce risk but causalities was acceptable
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Descent and Ascent Stages of the test Lunar Module (LTA-3) being to mating together in vibration test fixture at Grumman’s Lab Facilities in New York. October 17, 1966.
I don’t think that most people realise just how big those things were, or of their capabilities and the work that went into them.
There’s a very good book about it, ‘Chariots for Apollo: A History of Manned Lunar Spacecraft’ which came out in 1979. So many ‘firsts’ went into their development which is not really surprising. Quite notable was the striving for reliability, which may have been one reason why the Grumman ‘ironworks’ got the job.
Do you simplicity works for space flight.
Do modern computers, electronics complicated the procedure and slow it down.
Less risk taking obviously slows it down which I imagine during the Apollo missions was still important to reduce risk but causalities was acceptable
I think that Spiny would be the one to comment here. Perhaps his experience in moving up through progressively larger and more technological aircraft would throw some relevant light on the question.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Descent and Ascent Stages of the test Lunar Module (LTA-3) being to mating together in vibration test fixture at Grumman’s Lab Facilities in New York. October 17, 1966.
I don’t think that most people realise just how big those things were, or of their capabilities and the work that went into them.
There’s a very good book about it, ‘Chariots for Apollo: A History of Manned Lunar Spacecraft’ which came out in 1979. So many ‘firsts’ went into their development which is not really surprising. Quite notable was the striving for reliability, which may have been one reason why the Grumman ‘ironworks’ got the job.
I don’t have that book but I have one that’s probably similar. It was written by the manager of the LM program and goes from start to finish. Phenomenal effort went into it to make it light enough and still be reliable enough.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:I don’t think that most people realise just how big those things were, or of their capabilities and the work that went into them.
There’s a very good book about it, ‘Chariots for Apollo: A History of Manned Lunar Spacecraft’ which came out in 1979. So many ‘firsts’ went into their development which is not really surprising. Quite notable was the striving for reliability, which may have been one reason why the Grumman ‘ironworks’ got the job.
Do you simplicity works for space flight.
Do modern computers, electronics complicated the procedure and slow it down.
Less risk taking obviously slows it down which I imagine during the Apollo missions was still important to reduce risk but causalities was acceptable
I think that Spiny would be the one to comment here. Perhaps his experience in moving up through progressively larger and more technological aircraft would throw some relevant light on the question.
The Apollo programme avoided cutting-edge gear where possible and tried to stick with know & very reliable gear as much as they could. Naturally a bunch of brand-new techniques & technology had to be created and a lot of the Gemini programme was used to test all that. And they learned from it.
There were a number of things that presented substantial obstacles and took a huge amount of effort and work to get under control.
The first stage Rocketdyne F1 engines. It took them a year or so to get the combustion chamber instability worked out. They very nearly didn’t.
It also took a long time to get the second stage down to an acceptable weight. For example they had to get creative when welding the ends of the oyxgen & fuel tanks on as using regular welding just didn’t work. Too much distortion and so potential weak sports.
So they just used hundreds of clamps to hold them together and removed one when they needed to weld under it. Then put the clamp back and repeat a few hundred more times.
The LM also had weight problems but the Grumman team just kept on working hard on it and got it very right.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Do you simplicity works for space flight.
Do modern computers, electronics complicated the procedure and slow it down.
Less risk taking obviously slows it down which I imagine during the Apollo missions was still important to reduce risk but causalities was acceptable
I think that Spiny would be the one to comment here. Perhaps his experience in moving up through progressively larger and more technological aircraft would throw some relevant light on the question.
The Apollo programme avoided cutting-edge gear where possible and tried to stick with know & very reliable gear as much as they could. Naturally a bunch of brand-new techniques & technology had to be created and a lot of the Gemini programme was used to test all that. And they learned from it.
There were a number of things that presented substantial obstacles and took a huge amount of effort and work to get under control.
The first stage Rocketdyne F1 engines. It took them a year or so to get the combustion chamber instability worked out. They very nearly didn’t.
It also took a long time to get the second stage down to an acceptable weight. For example they had to get creative when welding the ends of the oyxgen & fuel tanks on as using regular welding just didn’t work. Too much distortion and so potential weak sports.
So they just used hundreds of clamps to hold them together and removed one when they needed to weld under it. Then put the clamp back and repeat a few hundred more times.
The LM also had weight problems but the Grumman team just kept on working hard on it and got it very right.
I was watching some vids recently about the LEM ascent stage..
The ascent propulsion system (APS) or lunar module ascent engine (LMAE) is a fixed-thrust hypergolic (rocket propellant whose components spontaneously ignite upon contact) rocket engine developed by Bell Aerosystems for use in the Apollo Lunar Module ascent stage. It used Aerozine 50 fuel, and N2O4 oxidizer.
It had to work first time and was never tested whole on the ground.
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:I think that Spiny would be the one to comment here. Perhaps his experience in moving up through progressively larger and more technological aircraft would throw some relevant light on the question.
The Apollo programme avoided cutting-edge gear where possible and tried to stick with know & very reliable gear as much as they could. Naturally a bunch of brand-new techniques & technology had to be created and a lot of the Gemini programme was used to test all that. And they learned from it.
There were a number of things that presented substantial obstacles and took a huge amount of effort and work to get under control.
The first stage Rocketdyne F1 engines. It took them a year or so to get the combustion chamber instability worked out. They very nearly didn’t.
It also took a long time to get the second stage down to an acceptable weight. For example they had to get creative when welding the ends of the oyxgen & fuel tanks on as using regular welding just didn’t work. Too much distortion and so potential weak sports.
So they just used hundreds of clamps to hold them together and removed one when they needed to weld under it. Then put the clamp back and repeat a few hundred more times.
The LM also had weight problems but the Grumman team just kept on working hard on it and got it very right.
I was watching some vids recently about the LEM ascent stage..
The ascent propulsion system (APS) or lunar module ascent engine (LMAE) is a fixed-thrust hypergolic (rocket propellant whose components spontaneously ignite upon contact) rocket engine developed by Bell Aerosystems for use in the Apollo Lunar Module ascent stage. It used Aerozine 50 fuel, and N2O4 oxidizer.
It had to work first time and was never tested whole on the ground.
True, the flight engine was not tested but they tested quite a lot of them to make sure it’d work every time. All it had was two valves that opened to let the fuel & oxidiser flow – under pressure from a pressurised helium bottle so no pumps – and it absolutely start every time. Not able to be throttled nor gimballed like the descent engine.
I remember reading that when they had a new batch of tanks (not sure which ones) they all tested just fine but one was a slightly different colour after the heat treating so they didn’t use it. The slightly different colour was enough of an eyeball test to reject it.
Spiny Norman said:
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:The Apollo programme avoided cutting-edge gear where possible and tried to stick with know & very reliable gear as much as they could. Naturally a bunch of brand-new techniques & technology had to be created and a lot of the Gemini programme was used to test all that. And they learned from it.
There were a number of things that presented substantial obstacles and took a huge amount of effort and work to get under control.
The first stage Rocketdyne F1 engines. It took them a year or so to get the combustion chamber instability worked out. They very nearly didn’t.
It also took a long time to get the second stage down to an acceptable weight. For example they had to get creative when welding the ends of the oyxgen & fuel tanks on as using regular welding just didn’t work. Too much distortion and so potential weak sports.
So they just used hundreds of clamps to hold them together and removed one when they needed to weld under it. Then put the clamp back and repeat a few hundred more times.
The LM also had weight problems but the Grumman team just kept on working hard on it and got it very right.
I was watching some vids recently about the LEM ascent stage..
The ascent propulsion system (APS) or lunar module ascent engine (LMAE) is a fixed-thrust hypergolic (rocket propellant whose components spontaneously ignite upon contact) rocket engine developed by Bell Aerosystems for use in the Apollo Lunar Module ascent stage. It used Aerozine 50 fuel, and N2O4 oxidizer.
It had to work first time and was never tested whole on the ground.
True, the flight engine was not tested but they tested quite a lot of them to make sure it’d work every time. All it had was two valves that opened to let the fuel & oxidiser flow – under pressure from a pressurised helium bottle so no pumps – and it absolutely start every time. Not able to be throttled nor gimballed like the descent engine.
I remember reading that when they had a new batch of tanks (not sure which ones) they all tested just fine but one was a slightly different colour after the heat treating so they didn’t use it. The slightly different colour was enough of an eyeball test to reject it.
Does spaceflight need to have complex tech
Science fiction tends to tell us yes but in reality what would a spacecraft require for interplanetary or interstellar travel
Would we better off with analogue type switches instead of digital for example.
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:
Ian said:I was watching some vids recently about the LEM ascent stage..
The ascent propulsion system (APS) or lunar module ascent engine (LMAE) is a fixed-thrust hypergolic (rocket propellant whose components spontaneously ignite upon contact) rocket engine developed by Bell Aerosystems for use in the Apollo Lunar Module ascent stage. It used Aerozine 50 fuel, and N2O4 oxidizer.
It had to work first time and was never tested whole on the ground.
True, the flight engine was not tested but they tested quite a lot of them to make sure it’d work every time. All it had was two valves that opened to let the fuel & oxidiser flow – under pressure from a pressurised helium bottle so no pumps – and it absolutely start every time. Not able to be throttled nor gimballed like the descent engine.
I remember reading that when they had a new batch of tanks (not sure which ones) they all tested just fine but one was a slightly different colour after the heat treating so they didn’t use it. The slightly different colour was enough of an eyeball test to reject it.Does spaceflight need to have complex tech
Science fiction tends to tell us yes but in reality what would a spacecraft require for interplanetary or interstellar travel
Would we better off with analogue type switches instead of digital for example.
Yes & no.
Stuff that has to be extremely reliable has to be controlled by something that’s also extremely reliable. One of the problems with modern computers in space is the cosmic radiation hitting the cpu, ram, etc. It can very easily flip a bunch of bits to zero instead of one and that of course can lead to disaster.
I think the important gear is hardened as much as they reasonably can against that radiation and they also use multiple computers physically placed apart to reduce the chances of a couple getting zapped. I think the Space Shuttle had five main computers because of that.
Perhaps ironically, the older cpu’s & gear survived radiation better as the transistors were quite a lot larger and with bigger gaps between them, thus reducing the chances of computational & data corruption.
The various mechanisms (probably) haven’t changed a great deal in the last half century or so. But the rocket power cycle has thanks to the ability to 3D print pretty much all of the engine. It has allowed the modern engines to run what’s called a full-flow staged cycle.
To save me writing it all out and no doubt making a mistake, check out this link
I imagine modern touch screen would be pretty reliable and would also allow you to quickly flick between systems when needed. So if there’s, say, four screens with one for each crew member if one fails three is more than enough to keep going safely.
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:
Ian said:I was watching some vids recently about the LEM ascent stage..
The ascent propulsion system (APS) or lunar module ascent engine (LMAE) is a fixed-thrust hypergolic (rocket propellant whose components spontaneously ignite upon contact) rocket engine developed by Bell Aerosystems for use in the Apollo Lunar Module ascent stage. It used Aerozine 50 fuel, and N2O4 oxidizer.
It had to work first time and was never tested whole on the ground.
True, the flight engine was not tested but they tested quite a lot of them to make sure it’d work every time. All it had was two valves that opened to let the fuel & oxidiser flow – under pressure from a pressurised helium bottle so no pumps – and it absolutely start every time. Not able to be throttled nor gimballed like the descent engine.
I remember reading that when they had a new batch of tanks (not sure which ones) they all tested just fine but one was a slightly different colour after the heat treating so they didn’t use it. The slightly different colour was enough of an eyeball test to reject it.Does spaceflight need to have complex tech
Science fiction tends to tell us yes but in reality what would a spacecraft require for interplanetary or interstellar travel
Would we better off with analogue type switches instead of digital for example.
“…what would a spacecraft require for interplanetary or interstellar travel”
A honking big engine that you could use to accelerate you constantly for half of the journey, and some equally effective mechanism that you could use to slow yourself down for the second half of the journey.
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:True, the flight engine was not tested but they tested quite a lot of them to make sure it’d work every time. All it had was two valves that opened to let the fuel & oxidiser flow – under pressure from a pressurised helium bottle so no pumps – and it absolutely start every time. Not able to be throttled nor gimballed like the descent engine.
I remember reading that when they had a new batch of tanks (not sure which ones) they all tested just fine but one was a slightly different colour after the heat treating so they didn’t use it. The slightly different colour was enough of an eyeball test to reject it.Does spaceflight need to have complex tech
Science fiction tends to tell us yes but in reality what would a spacecraft require for interplanetary or interstellar travel
Would we better off with analogue type switches instead of digital for example.Yes & no.
Stuff that has to be extremely reliable has to be controlled by something that’s also extremely reliable. One of the problems with modern computers in space is the cosmic radiation hitting the cpu, ram, etc. It can very easily flip a bunch of bits to zero instead of one and that of course can lead to disaster.
I think the important gear is hardened as much as they reasonably can against that radiation and they also use multiple computers physically placed apart to reduce the chances of a couple getting zapped. I think the Space Shuttle had five main computers because of that.
Perhaps ironically, the older cpu’s & gear survived radiation better as the transistors were quite a lot larger and with bigger gaps between them, thus reducing the chances of computational & data corruption.The various mechanisms (probably) haven’t changed a great deal in the last half century or so. But the rocket power cycle has thanks to the ability to 3D print pretty much all of the engine. It has allowed the modern engines to run what’s called a full-flow staged cycle.
To save me writing it all out and no doubt making a mistake, check out this linkI imagine modern touch screen would be pretty reliable and would also allow you to quickly flick between systems when needed. So if there’s, say, four screens with one for each crew member if one fails three is more than enough to keep going safely.
Thanks
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:True, the flight engine was not tested but they tested quite a lot of them to make sure it’d work every time. All it had was two valves that opened to let the fuel & oxidiser flow – under pressure from a pressurised helium bottle so no pumps – and it absolutely start every time. Not able to be throttled nor gimballed like the descent engine.
I remember reading that when they had a new batch of tanks (not sure which ones) they all tested just fine but one was a slightly different colour after the heat treating so they didn’t use it. The slightly different colour was enough of an eyeball test to reject it.Does spaceflight need to have complex tech
Science fiction tends to tell us yes but in reality what would a spacecraft require for interplanetary or interstellar travel
Would we better off with analogue type switches instead of digital for example.“…what would a spacecraft require for interplanetary or interstellar travel”
A honking big engine that you could use to accelerate you constantly for half of the journey, and some equally effective mechanism that you could use to slow yourself down for the second half of the journey.
Ah yeah I missed that sorry.
Interstellar travel is a couple of quantum levels more difficult. With current technology getting to the nearest star is going to take a good 50 years. (The old Project Orion still has vastly more performance than anything conceived after it)
So imagine that you have to have a group of people that’ll likely be dead before the end of the trip and they all have to live in a large building. Everything in that building has to either work for a good century or so, or have a suitable number of replacements. You might be able to grow some food to supplement pre-packed supplies. That in itself would require a fair bit of space and some soil supplements to keep it fertile.
No matter what happens you will not be rescued. So you have to be able to deal with planned and likely unplanned events. For example at something like 0.1 C hitting anything large than a grain of sand is going to poke a huge crater in the nose of the spacecraft. So there’d need to be radar of some sort to detect any objects at long distance so there’s time to turn enough to avoid them. That burns up irreplaceable manoeuvring fuel.
And don’t think that interstellar space is completely empty, there is likely to be comet heads, asteroids, etc.
So no, I very much doubt that we’re ever going to get to another star system without either FTL or some kind of very high C drive. The problems are colossal.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:True, the flight engine was not tested but they tested quite a lot of them to make sure it’d work every time. All it had was two valves that opened to let the fuel & oxidiser flow – under pressure from a pressurised helium bottle so no pumps – and it absolutely start every time. Not able to be throttled nor gimballed like the descent engine.
I remember reading that when they had a new batch of tanks (not sure which ones) they all tested just fine but one was a slightly different colour after the heat treating so they didn’t use it. The slightly different colour was enough of an eyeball test to reject it.Does spaceflight need to have complex tech
Science fiction tends to tell us yes but in reality what would a spacecraft require for interplanetary or interstellar travel
Would we better off with analogue type switches instead of digital for example.“…what would a spacecraft require for interplanetary or interstellar travel”
A honking big engine that you could use to accelerate you constantly for half of the journey, and some equally effective mechanism that you could use to slow yourself down for the second half of the journey.
Or gravity sling-shots.
From the 19 of August 1897 to August of 1899, Bersey Electric Cab company offered electric cabs for the streets of London, England. Photos of them at the time and one restored.
Spiny Norman said:
From the 19 of August 1897 to August of 1899, Bersey Electric Cab company offered electric cabs for the streets of London, England. Photos of them at the time and one restored.
Ta.
The Saturn V: Various Stages of Assembly and Testing.
There’s several photos there, some are of the older Saturn 1B’s.
Operation on a wounded soldier during World War 1 with the surgeon using a fluoroscope to locate the bullets. An early Crookes x-ray tube visible under the table emits a beam of x-rays vertically through the patient’s body.
A rather stressful first day at work.
RMS Olympic (Titanic’s sister ship) and the sheer size of the rudder and props. Note the person standing at the bottom. Picture taken in Belfast’s Thompson Graving Dock, 1911.
Spiny Norman said:
RMS Olympic (Titanic’s sister ship) and the sheer size of the rudder and props. Note the person standing at the bottom. Picture taken in Belfast’s Thompson Graving Dock, 1911.
Best hairdryer ever…
Mail orderlies of various nations at Hampton Roads, a major port in Virginia, 1898.
Capt. Spalding or someone might be able to identify the uniforms.
New York circa 1898. “Machine gun at Brooklyn Navy Yard.”
Note the fellow’s rather ragged uniform.
Bubblecar said:
Mail orderlies of various nations at Hampton Roads, a major port in Virginia, 1898.Capt. Spalding or someone might be able to identify the uniforms.
cooking right now, will have a closer look asap.
Bubblecar said:
New York circa 1898. “Machine gun at Brooklyn Navy Yard.”Note the fellow’s rather ragged uniform.
That could be a 1.1 inch gun.
Very nasty.
On Aug. 8, 1981, an Mi-6 helicopter working on an oil prospecting expedition, made a refuelling stop at the Khalampur base in the Yamalo-Nenets district (2,400 km from Moscow).
The replenished helicopter took off, but after five minutes of rough flying at an altitude of 150 meters, both engines gave out. The five-person crew crash-landed in a swampy area 60 km southeast of the city of Tarko-Sale. None was injured, but the helicopter suffered significant damage.
The investigation found that refueling workers at the base had mistakenly filled the tank with gasoline mixed with water, causing the engines to fail. For 40 years, the helicopter wreck has been sat abandoned in the swamp, during which time its tail section and engines have been stolen. Not once have regional media reported any plans to pull it out.
Found on Penrith & Surrounds Facebook page, came up as a suggested post.
Divine Angel said:
Found on Penrith & Surrounds Facebook page, came up as a suggested post.
Bits of it look authentic but the overall effect, alas is AI.
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
Found on Penrith & Surrounds Facebook page, came up as a suggested post.
Bits of it look authentic but the overall effect, alas is AI.
- Boy at counter and lady are just playing with money
- Several kids already have lunches but are still in queue
- Everyone is smiling gormlessly at nothing
- Two girls left of the boy have essentially the same faces and hairstyles, same angle of pleated skirt etc
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
Found on Penrith & Surrounds Facebook page, came up as a suggested post.
Bits of it look authentic but the overall effect, alas is AI.
- Boy at counter and lady are just playing with money
- Several kids already have lunches but are still in queue
- Everyone is smiling gormlessly at nothing
- Two girls left of the boy have essentially the same faces and hairstyles, same angle of pleated skirt etc
Glad you noticed, I was busy looking at the prices lol
Divine Angel said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Bits of it look authentic but the overall effect, alas is AI.
- Boy at counter and lady are just playing with money
- Several kids already have lunches but are still in queue
- Everyone is smiling gormlessly at nothing
- Two girls left of the boy have essentially the same faces and hairstyles, same angle of pleated skirt etcGlad you noticed, I was busy looking at the prices lol
They seem a bit pricey for that era.
Divine Angel said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Bits of it look authentic but the overall effect, alas is AI.
- Boy at counter and lady are just playing with money
- Several kids already have lunches but are still in queue
- Everyone is smiling gormlessly at nothing
- Two girls left of the boy have essentially the same faces and hairstyles, same angle of pleated skirt etcGlad you noticed, I was busy looking at the prices lol
Dunno about that. Surely you were at primary school when there were uniforms like that and at that age the girls’ bodies are rather often the same shape. And many girls had the same haircut, often done at home or at the local hairdresser. The smiles are probably because they were told they would be photographed. Just because you’ve got a lunch in a brown paper bag doesn’t mean you don’t line up to get a licorice strap. And the money bit is set for the camera.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
Found on Penrith & Surrounds Facebook page, came up as a suggested post.
Bits of it look authentic but the overall effect, alas is AI.
- Boy at counter and lady are just playing with money
- Several kids already have lunches but are still in queue
- Everyone is smiling gormlessly at nothing
- Two girls left of the boy have essentially the same faces and hairstyles, same angle of pleated skirt etc
Fair comment.
buffy said:
Divine Angel said:
Bubblecar said:- Boy at counter and lady are just playing with money
- Several kids already have lunches but are still in queue
- Everyone is smiling gormlessly at nothing
- Two girls left of the boy have essentially the same faces and hairstyles, same angle of pleated skirt etcGlad you noticed, I was busy looking at the prices lol
Dunno about that. Surely you were at primary school when there were uniforms like that and at that age the girls’ bodies are rather often the same shape. And many girls had the same haircut, often done at home or at the local hairdresser. The smiles are probably because they were told they would be photographed. Just because you’ve got a lunch in a brown paper bag doesn’t mean you don’t line up to get a licorice strap. And the money bit is set for the camera.
Nah, it’s AI.
Another point – several of the kids have the same face, not just the two left of the counter boy.
Divine Angel said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:Bits of it look authentic but the overall effect, alas is AI.
- Boy at counter and lady are just playing with money
- Several kids already have lunches but are still in queue
- Everyone is smiling gormlessly at nothing
- Two girls left of the boy have essentially the same faces and hairstyles, same angle of pleated skirt etcGlad you noticed, I was busy looking at the prices lol
- Cream Bun and pie prices almost identical.
- Salad roll twice the price of a pie.
google AI says it is a 1969 photo. It can’t be. We arrived in 1968 and a pie was 12 cents, 13 with sauce.
ChrispenEvan said:
google AI says it is a 1969 photo. It can’t be. We arrived in 1968 and a pie was 12 cents, 13 with sauce.
- Milk Cartons neatly stacked in a wooden crate on the counter, not in a fridge.
The protective shroud or adapter stage is being lowered into place over the Apollo 14 Lunar Module (LM-8) Antares in preparation for the move to the Vehicle Assembly Building.
From 1961-1966, the Boeing owned and operated Aqua-Jet provided a continuous “water tunnel” between its sponsons in which to measure the hydrodynamic parameters of many small, scale model hydrofoil “wings” of different designs at various angles of attack, depths and speeds. The instrumentation was such that a complete “polar” plot (of lift and drag versus angle of attack at any one foil depth and speed) could be obtained in a run time of only 30 seconds!
Except for the unique sponson configuration and pure turbojet propulsion, HTS resembled the American Power Boat Association’s “Unlimited Class” racing hydroplanes of that era. HTS was 38 feet long, with a beam of 17 feet. Initially powered by an Allison J-33 turbojet with 4,600 lbs. of thrust, the brown-and-white HTS then displaced about six tons and was capable of speeds of up to 100 knots (115 mph). In 1963, after major modifications to the hull and the installation of a Pratt & Whitney J-48 turbojet with 6,350 lbs. of thrust, the blue-and-white HTS displaced closer to eight tons with a top speed of 130 knots (150 mph).
Operating on Lake Washington in Seattle only on calm water and during daylight hours, HTS proved to be indispensable in adding to the knowledge of hydrofoil design and performance at that time and in the years that followed.
A most unusual exhaust on that jet engine. I’m guessing it was an attempt to reduce the noise but with the smaller, hot gasses exiting like that I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it were louder. And that’s a very old engine, I’m guessing late 40’s at best.
Spiny Norman said:
A most unusual exhaust on that jet engine. I’m guessing it was an attempt to reduce the noise but with the smaller, hot gasses exiting like that I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it were louder. And that’s a very old engine, I’m guessing late 40’s at best.
Yep, that engine first ran in 1942 and was in production for a few years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_J33
Recalling the great coachbuilt French designs of the 1930s, the Bentley 6½-Liter Dartmoor Coupé is based on a 1951 Bentley Mark VI and is the work of UK-based Bob Petersen Engineering. It is powered by a 265 bhp Rolls-Royce straight-eight sporting a quartet of 1½” SU carburetors.
Now that is classy.
Fisher is given credit for coining the OMG initialism but it’s clear he is making a joke about honours (KCMG, GCMG etc).
27 October 1962. Soviet officer Vasily Arkhipov may have averted nuclear war by refusing to approve a nuclear torpedo launch from submarine B-59 during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
dv said:
Fisher is given credit for coining the OMG initialism but it’s clear he is making a joke about honours (KCMG, GCMG etc).
Jackie Fisher as VIce-Admiral, in HMS Renown in the role of Commander-in-Chief, North America and West Indies Station in 1897.
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‘O.M.G’ may have been a clever invention of his. ‘Battlecruisers’ were somewhat less clever, or amusing.
Gianni Caproni “thought” he could build a 100-passenger flying houseboat in 1921. It had 9 wings, 8 engines, and survived about 20 seconds off the water.
Right after WWI, while most airliners were modified biplane bombers carrying four or five terrified people, Italian designer Gianni Caproni decided to jump straight to transcontinental mass transit. He skipped step-by-step scaling entirely and went for a 55-ton flying houseboat called the Ca.60 Transaero.
The layout was total structural madness. Caproni scavenged nine separate wings from leftover wartime Caproni Ca.5 bombers and arranged them into three distinct triplane stacks lined up along a 77-foot hull. The whole thing was held together by an incredible cobweb of timber struts and high-tension steel rigging, generating over 9,000 square feet of total wing area.
To muscle all that drag through the air, he bolted eight American Liberty L-12 V12 engines onto the forward and aft wing assemblies in push-pull pairs, giving it 3,200 total horsepower. The inside was built like an ocean liner’s dining salon: enclosed wooden cabin, actual glass windows, and wicker armchairs for 100 passengers meant to sip wine on multi-day transatlantic hops to New York.
It made its first gentle skim across Lake Maggiore on March 2, 1921, with test pilot Federico Semprini staying just a few feet off the water.
Two days later, Semprini opened up all eight throttles for a real flight. As the massive hull broke water, the machine climbed past 60 feet when ballast shifted and the center of lift went completely out of spec. The tail-heavy airframe pitched up violently, stall-slid backward, and smashed into the lake tail-first. The impact blew out the entire rear wing assembly and snapped the wooden hull clean in half. Semprini swam out with minor injuries, but the Transaero was totally wrecked.
Caproni dragged the pieces ashore and insisted he would rebuild it, but before repairs even started, a “mysterious” fire swept through the lakeside hangar overnight and burned the remains to ashes.
However none cant say he tried!
South Korean ad for Samsung VCR, 1989 (called VTR in Korea and Japan at that time).
When VCRs were reassuringly big, expensive machines, and you could go on “video holiday” with a big bunch of cosy rented films.
Bubblecar said:
South Korean ad for Samsung VCR, 1989 (called VTR in Korea and Japan at that time).When VCRs were reassuringly big, expensive machines, and you could go on “video holiday” with a big bunch of cosy rented films.
I remember when we got a VHS VCR. The Betacord was supposed to be for us kids in the games room but they quickly stopped making Betacord tapes. Mum was ticked off that all new releases were VHS and not Betacord.
“Soviet cosmonaut Georgi T. Beregovoi, astronaut Eugene A. Cernan and others inspecting Apollo 11 capsule at North American Rockwell in Downey, California.”
October 27, 1969
The Carillon travelled to Sydney by boat from the United Kingdom. The bells were transported via George Street to the University of Sydney 1928.
kii said:
The Carillon travelled to Sydney by boat from the United Kingdom. The bells were transported via George Street to the University of Sydney 1928.
Huh!
Michael V said:
kii said:
The Carillon travelled to Sydney by boat from the United Kingdom. The bells were transported via George Street to the University of Sydney 1928.
Huh!
Makes me think of old-style nautical time.
University Dean: What time do you think you’ll get here?
Transport contractor: It’ll be seven bells.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
kii said:
The Carillon travelled to Sydney by boat from the United Kingdom. The bells were transported via George Street to the University of Sydney 1928.
Huh!
Makes me think of old-style nautical time.
University Dean: What time do you think you’ll get here?
Transport contractor: It’ll be seven bells.
Ha!
:)
1994. Crazy money for shitty little computer, but would have seemed very impressive at the time.
Bubblecar said:
1994. Crazy money for shitty little computer, but would have seemed very impressive at the time.
I remember that only a year or two after that paying $700 for 16 megabytes of ram. The advert had a typo and the price was way lower than it should have been so I grabbed it and they honoured it which was nice of them.
$700 these days, not even accounting for inflation, would buy you a lot of very good DDR5 ram.
Bubblecar said:
1994. Crazy money for shitty little computer, but would have seemed very impressive at the time.
There were certainly big changes from about 1990-2020.
Not so much recently.
24 October 1944.
US Navy Captain David McCampbell (16 January 1910 – 30 June 1996) in his F6F Hellcat achieved 9 victories, shooting down 5 x A6M Zekes, 2 x A6M3 Hamps and 2 x Ki-43 Oscars, setting a U.S. single mission aerial combat record.
A good day’s hunting.
Spiny Norman said:
24 October 1944.
US Navy Captain David McCampbell (16 January 1910 – 30 June 1996) in his F6F Hellcat achieved 9 victories, shooting down 5 x A6M Zekes, 2 x A6M3 Hamps and 2 x Ki-43 Oscars, setting a U.S. single mission aerial combat record.A good day’s hunting.
According to wikipedia (and i’ve seen this elsewhere, too) when he landed on the carrier after that event, there was just two rounds of ammunition for his guns left out of an initial load of 2,400 rounds.
His aircraft was so low on fuel, it had to be manually disengaged from the arrestor wire, as it didn’t have enough fuel to taxi clear of it.
As well as McCampbell’s nine shootdowns on that flight, his wingman scored six of his own. Between the two them, they wiped out an entire Japanese squadron.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
24 October 1944.
US Navy Captain David McCampbell (16 January 1910 – 30 June 1996) in his F6F Hellcat achieved 9 victories, shooting down 5 x A6M Zekes, 2 x A6M3 Hamps and 2 x Ki-43 Oscars, setting a U.S. single mission aerial combat record.A good day’s hunting.
According to wikipedia (and i’ve seen this elsewhere, too) when he landed on the carrier after that event, there was just two rounds of ammunition for his guns left out of an initial load of 2,400 rounds.
His aircraft was so low on fuel, it had to be manually disengaged from the arrestor wire, as it didn’t have enough fuel to taxi clear of it.
As well as McCampbell’s nine shootdowns on that flight, his wingman scored six of his own. Between the two them, they wiped out an entire Japanese squadron.
That’s commitment, and it paid-off.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
24 October 1944.
US Navy Captain David McCampbell (16 January 1910 – 30 June 1996) in his F6F Hellcat achieved 9 victories, shooting down 5 x A6M Zekes, 2 x A6M3 Hamps and 2 x Ki-43 Oscars, setting a U.S. single mission aerial combat record.A good day’s hunting.
According to wikipedia (and i’ve seen this elsewhere, too) when he landed on the carrier after that event, there was just two rounds of ammunition for his guns left out of an initial load of 2,400 rounds.
His aircraft was so low on fuel, it had to be manually disengaged from the arrestor wire, as it didn’t have enough fuel to taxi clear of it.
As well as McCampbell’s nine shootdowns on that flight, his wingman scored six of his own. Between the two them, they wiped out an entire Japanese squadron.
That’s commitment, and it paid-off.
I remember reading ‘Sharky’ Ward’s autobiography and a lot of it is when he was flying in the Falklands war. He was running short on fuel to get back to the carrier in his Harrier so he called them up to let them know. He then wrote that a few minutes later that he saw the Invincible coming straight towards him “leaving a wake like a speedboat”.
Admiral Sandy Woodward gave the order to do that to save him and the Farrier as they were in short numbers then.
He landed with 200 lbs of fuel, which is less than a minute or so at low power.
Apollo 10 Mission Commander Thomas Stafford pats a giant Snoopy plush toy for luck, as the crew walk out to the Astronaut Transfer Van. Snoopy is being held by Cernan’s secretary, Jamye Flowers.
A scene from “It conquered the world” . One of the cheesiest monsters ever…😂
Seems like a set of stairs would beat it. Or a narrow doorway.
Spiny Norman said:
A scene from “It conquered the world” . One of the cheesiest monsters ever…😂
Seems like a set of stairs would beat it. Or a narrow doorway.
Just hide under something.
It doesn’t look like it can bend, and it doesn’t seem to have elbows, so it can’t reach under things.
If the world got ‘conquered’ by something like that, then the world got what it deserved.
Spiny Norman said:
A scene from “It conquered the world” . One of the cheesiest monsters ever…😂
Seems like a set of stairs would beat it. Or a narrow doorway.
It was already beaten by a low budget.
Don’t be too sure.
Even a bazooka wouldn’t stop it…
Bubblecar said:
Don’t be too sure.Even a bazooka wouldn’t stop it…
…or this ferocious flame thrower.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Don’t be too sure.Even a bazooka wouldn’t stop it…
…or this ferocious flame thrower.
Paul Blaisdell, the fellow that created and operated it, nicknamed it Beulah.
Bubblecar said:
Don’t be too sure.Even a bazooka wouldn’t stop it…
That’s an M9 or M9A1 bazook (60mm/2.36 in. rocket launcher),
Armor Penetration: Capable of penetrating 105–125 mm of homogeneous steel armor using the M6A3 shaped-charge rocket.
Range: Had an effective range of 100–150 meters and a maximum range of approximately 370–460 meters.
Firing it against something that close could be seriously deleterious to the operator.
We all have to start somewhere. An early screen appearance of Leonard Nimoy ® in the cheesy Zombies Of The Stratosphere (1952)…
Spiny Norman said:
We all have to start somewhere. An early screen appearance of Leonard Nimoy ® in the cheesy Zombies Of The Stratosphere (1952)…
I think that the block on the left wielding the gat was in the Commando Cody extravaganza ‘Radar Men From The Moon’, too. Also made in 1952.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
We all have to start somewhere. An early screen appearance of Leonard Nimoy ® in the cheesy Zombies Of The Stratosphere (1952)…
I think that the block on the left wielding the gat was in the Commando Cody extravaganza ‘Radar Men From The Moon’, too. Also made in 1952.
Not ‘block’, ‘bloke’.
Spiny Norman said:
There’s a Hills hoist in the backyard at my mum’s house that i know has been there longer than 60 years, and still in almost daily use.
What could possibly go wrong.
SS Morro Castle was an American ocean liner that caught fire and ran aground on the morning of September 8, 1934, en route from Havana, Cuba, to New York City, United States, with the loss of 137 passengers and crew.
On the previous evening, Morro Castle’s captain, Robert Willmott, had died suddenly, and his place was taken by Chief Officer William Warms as a strong northeast wind was developing under heavy cloud. At 2:50am, a fire was detected in a storage locker, which burned through electrical cables, engulfed the ship in flames and plunged it into darkness. Responses by the crew, the United States Coast Guard and rescue vessels were notably slow and inefficient, with lifeboats not loaded to their capacity. The decks were too hot to stand on, smoke made breathing difficult and passengers were forced to leap into ocean swells where swimming was impossible. By mid-afternoon Morro Castle was abandoned and the survivors were landed on the shores of New Jersey by an assortment of craft.
The cause of the fire was never established, though an overheated funnel and certain points of cabin design and electrical circuitry were noted. A theory of arson by a crew member has attracted support over the years, albeit without any concrete evidence. The high casualties are chiefly blamed on the crew’s incompetent handling of the emergency.
Spiny Norman said:
SS Morro Castle was an American ocean liner that caught fire and ran aground on the morning of September 8, 1934, en route from Havana, Cuba, to New York City, United States, with the loss of 137 passengers and crew.
On the previous evening, Morro Castle’s captain, Robert Willmott, had died suddenly, and his place was taken by Chief Officer William Warms as a strong northeast wind was developing under heavy cloud. At 2:50am, a fire was detected in a storage locker, which burned through electrical cables, engulfed the ship in flames and plunged it into darkness. Responses by the crew, the United States Coast Guard and rescue vessels were notably slow and inefficient, with lifeboats not loaded to their capacity. The decks were too hot to stand on, smoke made breathing difficult and passengers were forced to leap into ocean swells where swimming was impossible. By mid-afternoon Morro Castle was abandoned and the survivors were landed on the shores of New Jersey by an assortment of craft.
The cause of the fire was never established, though an overheated funnel and certain points of cabin design and electrical circuitry were noted. A theory of arson by a crew member has attracted support over the years, albeit without any concrete evidence. The high casualties are chiefly blamed on the crew’s incompetent handling of the emergency.
If you want to see more, have a look at ‘Oceanliner Designs’ on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/oceanlinerdesigns
Mike, who runs the channel, is a big Morro Castle fan.
15 of September of 1896, Crush, Texas. 2 Locomotives crashed at full speed for a show. Around 40,000 showed to watch the collision. Unexpectedly, the impact caused both engine boilers to explode showering the public with debris. Photos of the show.
Spiny Norman said:
15 of September of 1896, Crush, Texas. 2 Locomotives crashed at full speed for a show. Around 40,000 showed to watch the collision. Unexpectedly, the impact caused both engine boilers to explode showering the public with debris. Photos of the show.
WTAF????
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
15 of September of 1896, Crush, Texas. 2 Locomotives crashed at full speed for a show. Around 40,000 showed to watch the collision. Unexpectedly, the impact caused both engine boilers to explode showering the public with debris. Photos of the show.
WTAF????
It no doubt seemed like a great idea at the time.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
15 of September of 1896, Crush, Texas. 2 Locomotives crashed at full speed for a show. Around 40,000 showed to watch the collision. Unexpectedly, the impact caused both engine boilers to explode showering the public with debris. Photos of the show.
WTAF????
It no doubt seemed like a great idea at the time.
People didn’t have TV or much else in the way of entertainment. Specctacles were the thing of the day.
Harland & Wolff, Belfast. Workers leaving the shipyard at Queens Road in early 1911. RMS Titanic is in the background, beneath the Arrol Gantry. The bow of SS Nomadic is at the far left.
1920s
Canning peas, date unknown. Note all the spilt peas on the floor.
Bubblecar said:
Canning peas, date unknown. Note all the spilt peas on the floor.
You can imagine workers slipping and sliding on the peas, falling backwards and stoving their heads in on some hunk of hurty machinery.
Bubblecar said:
Canning peas, date unknown. Note all the spilt peas on the floor.
Doesn’t look compliant with modern health and cleanliness requirements for food processing. He’s not even wearing a mask and hair net.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Canning peas, date unknown. Note all the spilt peas on the floor.
You can imagine workers slipping and sliding on the peas, falling backwards and stoving their heads in on some hunk of hurty machinery.
Yeah, and they should probably have safety screens on the machinery.
Bubblecar said:
Canning peas, date unknown. Note all the spilt peas on the floor.
You should see how much sugar winds up on the floor in the sugar mills.
Didn’t matter, we swept it all up and shoveled it into the recovery bin, which was taken away and its contents poured into the vats of hot sugar syrup.
Huntley & Palmer’s biscuit factory in Reading, the town of my birth, photographed from the air in the 1920s.
It was the biggest biscuit factory in the world, covering 24 acres and producing over 400 varieties of biscuits, with its own internal railway connected to the GWR.
All gone by the 1980s apart from the former Factory Social Club building.
Bubblecar said:
Huntley & Palmer’s biscuit factory in Reading, the town of my birth, photographed from the air in the 1920s.It was the biggest biscuit factory in the world, covering 24 acres and producing over 400 varieties of biscuits, with its own internal railway connected to the GWR.
All gone by the 1980s apart from the former Factory Social Club building.
That’s when biscuits were big and meant something and not just used as a throw away line in and online forum meme.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Huntley & Palmer’s biscuit factory in Reading, the town of my birth, photographed from the air in the 1920s.It was the biggest biscuit factory in the world, covering 24 acres and producing over 400 varieties of biscuits, with its own internal railway connected to the GWR.
All gone by the 1980s apart from the former Factory Social Club building.
That’s when biscuits were big and meant something and not just used as a throw away line in and online forum meme.
When Wagon Wheels were the size of tractor tyres.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Huntley & Palmer’s biscuit factory in Reading, the town of my birth, photographed from the air in the 1920s.It was the biggest biscuit factory in the world, covering 24 acres and producing over 400 varieties of biscuits, with its own internal railway connected to the GWR.
All gone by the 1980s apart from the former Factory Social Club building.
That’s when biscuits were big and meant something and not just used as a throw away line in and online forum meme.
Huntley & Palmer’s are also renowned for their artistic biscuit tins, like this beauty from 1910.
Neophyte said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Huntley & Palmer’s biscuit factory in Reading, the town of my birth, photographed from the air in the 1920s.It was the biggest biscuit factory in the world, covering 24 acres and producing over 400 varieties of biscuits, with its own internal railway connected to the GWR.
All gone by the 1980s apart from the former Factory Social Club building.
That’s when biscuits were big and meant something and not just used as a throw away line in and online forum meme.
When Wagon Wheels were the size of tractor tyres.
An’ you’d get change from a penny when you bought one.
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Huntley & Palmer’s biscuit factory in Reading, the town of my birth, photographed from the air in the 1920s.It was the biggest biscuit factory in the world, covering 24 acres and producing over 400 varieties of biscuits, with its own internal railway connected to the GWR.
All gone by the 1980s apart from the former Factory Social Club building.
That’s when biscuits were big and meant something and not just used as a throw away line in and online forum meme.
Huntley & Palmer’s are also renowned for their artistic biscuit tins, like this beauty from 1910.
And to the casual observer people thought they were just books rich with the spoils of time and knowledge but they had a much richer secret.
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Huntley & Palmer’s biscuit factory in Reading, the town of my birth, photographed from the air in the 1920s.It was the biggest biscuit factory in the world, covering 24 acres and producing over 400 varieties of biscuits, with its own internal railway connected to the GWR.
All gone by the 1980s apart from the former Factory Social Club building.
That’s when biscuits were big and meant something and not just used as a throw away line in and online forum meme.
Huntley & Palmer’s are also renowned for their artistic biscuit tins, like this beauty from 1910.
Meybe that’s why the eventually went broke. Too much cost tied up in the packaging :)
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:That’s when biscuits were big and meant something and not just used as a throw away line in and online forum meme.
Huntley & Palmer’s are also renowned for their artistic biscuit tins, like this beauty from 1910.
!https://www.myttonantiques.co.uk/upload/largeimage1/huntley-and-palmers-biscuit-tin-885-P1.JPG
!https://www.robertbelcherantiques.co.uk/upload/images/shopprod/10538/a-victorian-huntley-and-palmer-biscuit-tin-in-the-form-of-a-group-of-books_10538_pic12_size2.jpg
!https://content.easyliveauction.com/auctions/images_lots/3025CA647DCDD01F13455459E9F9B1A0_tay01/1100184299_PREVIEW.JPG
Meybe that’s why the eventually went broke. Too much cost tied up in the packaging :)
They didn’t go broke; they merged with Peek Freans. The resulting company, called Associated Biscuits Ltd. was subsequently acquired by Nabisco.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:That’s when biscuits were big and meant something and not just used as a throw away line in and online forum meme.
Huntley & Palmer’s are also renowned for their artistic biscuit tins, like this beauty from 1910.
Meybe that’s why the eventually went broke. Too much cost tied up in the packaging :)
They could be very elaborate. Here are two from the 1890s, now in the V&A museum.
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Huntley & Palmer’s biscuit factory in Reading, the town of my birth, photographed from the air in the 1920s.It was the biggest biscuit factory in the world, covering 24 acres and producing over 400 varieties of biscuits, with its own internal railway connected to the GWR.
All gone by the 1980s apart from the former Factory Social Club building.
That’s when biscuits were big and meant something and not just used as a throw away line in and online forum meme.
Huntley & Palmer’s are also renowned for their artistic biscuit tins, like this beauty from 1910.
Nice!
:)
Niagara Falls partially dammed and diverted for industry, 1899.
Respect to one’s enemy. No. 3 Squadron RAAF burying German fighter pilot Manfred von Richthofen, aka The Red Baron in 1918. A wreath was left inscribed “To Our Gallant and Worthy Foe.”
Spiny Norman said:
Respect to one’s enemy. No. 3 Squadron RAAF burying German fighter pilot Manfred von Richthofen, aka The Red Baron in 1918. A wreath was left inscribed “To Our Gallant and Worthy Foe.”
I’d query that commentary about it being an honour guard of RAAF members. The RAAF was formed in 1921 – originally as the Australian Air Force, then later that year, as the RAAF.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/Research/FlagPost/2021/April/100_years_of_the_RAAF
AussieDJ said:
Spiny Norman said:
Respect to one’s enemy. No. 3 Squadron RAAF burying German fighter pilot Manfred von Richthofen, aka The Red Baron in 1918. A wreath was left inscribed “To Our Gallant and Worthy Foe.”
I’d query that commentary about it being an honour guard of RAAF members. The RAAF was formed in 1921 – originally as the Australian Air Force, then later that year, as the RAAF.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/Research/FlagPost/2021/April/100_years_of_the_RAAF
Also, he was shot down in France, and buried in Germany, so it is unlikely the RAF (which had been formed just 20 days earlier) buried him.
Michael V said:
AussieDJ said:
Spiny Norman said:
Respect to one’s enemy. No. 3 Squadron RAAF burying German fighter pilot Manfred von Richthofen, aka The Red Baron in 1918. A wreath was left inscribed “To Our Gallant and Worthy Foe.”
I’d query that commentary about it being an honour guard of RAAF members. The RAAF was formed in 1921 – originally as the Australian Air Force, then later that year, as the RAAF.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/Research/FlagPost/2021/April/100_years_of_the_RAAF
Also, he was shot down in France, and buried in Germany, so it is unlikely the RAF (which had been formed just 20 days earlier) buried him.
It was the AIF who shot him down..
Michael V said:
AussieDJ said:
Spiny Norman said:
Respect to one’s enemy. No. 3 Squadron RAAF burying German fighter pilot Manfred von Richthofen, aka The Red Baron in 1918. A wreath was left inscribed “To Our Gallant and Worthy Foe.”
I’d query that commentary about it being an honour guard of RAAF members. The RAAF was formed in 1921 – originally as the Australian Air Force, then later that year, as the RAAF.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/Research/FlagPost/2021/April/100_years_of_the_RAAF
Also, he was shot down in France, and buried in Germany, so it is unlikely the RAF (which had been formed just 20 days earlier) buried him.
He was buried by the Australian Flying Corps.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
AussieDJ said:I’d query that commentary about it being an honour guard of RAAF members. The RAAF was formed in 1921 – originally as the Australian Air Force, then later that year, as the RAAF.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/Research/FlagPost/2021/April/100_years_of_the_RAAF
Also, he was shot down in France, and buried in Germany, so it is unlikely the RAF (which had been formed just 20 days earlier) buried him.
He was buried by the Australian Flying Corps.
Yes.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:Also, he was shot down in France, and buried in Germany, so it is unlikely the RAF (which had been formed just 20 days earlier) buried him.
He was buried by the Australian Flying Corps.
Yes.
So, the army shot him down, the ‘air force’ buried him, and the navy wasn’t invited.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:He was buried by the Australian Flying Corps.
Yes.
So, the army shot him down, the ‘air force’ buried him, and the navy wasn’t invited.
As far as we have been informed, that appears to be correct.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Yes.
So, the army shot him down, the ‘air force’ buried him, and the navy wasn’t invited.
As far as we have been informed, that appears to be correct.
Well, it’s fair, i suppose.
The navy did that ‘Emden’ thing and wouldn’t share.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:So, the army shot him down, the ‘air force’ buried him, and the navy wasn’t invited.
As far as we have been informed, that appears to be correct.
Well, it’s fair, i suppose.
The navy did that ‘Emden’ thing and wouldn’t share.
Yeah but they lost 600 men doing it.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:As far as we have been informed, that appears to be correct.
Well, it’s fair, i suppose.
The navy did that ‘Emden’ thing and wouldn’t share.
Yeah but they lost 600 men doing it.
I believe that you’re thinking of WW2’s Sydney/Kormoran clash.
WW1, Sydney vs Emden: 4 Australians killed.
Unfortunately, 134 of Emden’s crew were killed.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Well, it’s fair, i suppose.
The navy did that ‘Emden’ thing and wouldn’t share.
Yeah but they lost 600 men doing it.
I believe that you’re thinking of WW2’s Sydney/Kormoran clash.
WW1, Sydney vs Emden: 4 Australians killed.
Unfortunately, 134 of Emden’s crew were killed.
Ah. Yes I see the error in my memory.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Yeah but they lost 600 men doing it.
I believe that you’re thinking of WW2’s Sydney/Kormoran clash.
WW1, Sydney vs Emden: 4 Australians killed.
Unfortunately, 134 of Emden’s crew were killed.
Ah. Yes I see the error in my memory.
Happens to everyone.
WW1: HMAS Sydney battles German ship off WA coast (a long way off, but…). Win for RAN, tragic loss for Kaiserliche Marine.
WW2: Different HMAS Sydney battles German ship off WA coast. Win (sort of) for Kriegsmarine, tragic loss for RAN.
Easily confused.
Dr. Serge Voronoff (2nd left) performing testicular extraction on an ape for implantation in a human. He made millions in the 1920’s transplanting Monkey Testicle Tissue into the ballsacks of Millionaires. Voronoff claimed it slowed down aging and improved memory.
I remain unconvinced.
And so does my human.
Larry and Moe, last snap of them together, 1970s.
By this stage Moe had torn most of Larry’s hair out.
This silent footage, shot in 1932, shows a man testing an early version of bulletproof glass by having his wife hold the glass to her face while he fires towards her.
Yeah that’s perfectly safe.
Spiny Norman said:
LOLz
A neat little plane of the early 1930s, the six-seat Airspeed Courier was “the first British aircraft fitted with a retractable undercarriage to go into quantity production”, although only 16 were made.
Bubblecar said:
A neat little plane of the early 1930s, the six-seat Airspeed Courier was “the first British aircraft fitted with a retractable undercarriage to go into quantity production”, although only 16 were made.
Only 30 years after the first USA flight.
