https://youtu.be/WalOeYktCZ0?si=yJQd63e_yNAsB_jZ
Australia is accelerating efforts to become a regional power
Roy Morgan says:
Despite the ALP loss in Western Australia, the ALP has gained nationally after One Nation MP David Farley says One Nation’s immigration policy is ‘not too different’ to Labor’s
In a week that saw the ALP lose a State by-election in Western Australia to One Nation, ALP primary support is up 2.5% to 29.5%, ahead of One Nation 23.5% (down 3.5%), and the L-NP Coalition 20.5% – Liberals 18% (down 0.5%) and Nationals 2.5% (unchanged), Greens, down 0.5% to 13.5%, and Independents/ Other Parties up 2% to 13% according to the Roy Morgan Poll conducted from August 24-30, 2026, with a representative Australia-wide cross-section of 1,585 electors.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/10328-federal-voting-intention-august-31-2026
dv said:
https://youtu.be/WalOeYktCZ0?si=yJQd63e_yNAsB_jZ
Australia is accelerating efforts to become a regional power
what we need is a good strong fascist party to cement that dominance
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/WalOeYktCZ0?si=yJQd63e_yNAsB_jZ
Australia is accelerating efforts to become a regional power
what we need is a good strong fascist party to cement that dominance
One party comes to mind.
Ian said:
Wot if we made our own submarines?
Ian said:
so we’re paying usuk for their privilege of using the great southern land as a paved paradise
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:
so we’re paying usuk for their privilege of using the great southern land as a paved paradise
We could build drones and they could park there.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ian said:
Wot if we made our own submarines?
or purchased them from some other country that looks after its people and has industrial capacity to actually produce them
Ian said:
A few of the local residents that I know are quite in favour of it.
party_pants said:
Ian said:
A few of the local residents that I know are quite in favour of it.
Well, in general, cities are nuclear targets not because of military facilities, but because they’re cities.
That’s how Mutually Assured Destruction works.
You say to each other, ‘don’t you dare use your atomic bombs to kill millions of our huddled masses of city-dwelling citizens, or we’ll use our atomic bombs to kill millions of your similar citizens’.
Any damage to military capabilities is just a bonus.
so good to know that
Charles Perrottet has given evidence to the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption, where he was grilled over his wife’s earnings. Anita Perrottet received a $150,000 yearly payment for an average of 16 hours a week of consultancy work for lobbyist Jeremy Greenwood — a key member of the inquiry. Mr Perrottet is defending his wife’s earnings, describing the figure as not a “significant” amount.
for these totally not corrupt rich fucks $150000 is just peanuts
SCIENCE said:
so good to know that
Charles Perrottet has given evidence to the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption, where he was grilled over his wife’s earnings. Anita Perrottet received a $150,000 yearly payment for an average of 16 hours a week of consultancy work for lobbyist Jeremy Greenwood — a key member of the inquiry. Mr Perrottet is defending his wife’s earnings, describing the figure as not a “significant” amount.
for these totally not corrupt rich fucks $150000 is just peanuts
For some people it is.
I can imagine a famous celebrity would earn that for a few hours work
This “surprise” the CFMEU and the building industry is corrupt and has ties to organised crime is amusing.
I remember thinking this 30 years ago with the bully tactics the union used on its members.
Of course organised crime would infiltrate such an industry
Morning pilgrims and collectors.
Peak Warming Man said:
Morning pilgrims and collectors.
(((waves)))
OK we’re pretty sure this excellent economic growth is thanks to the skilled management by earlier Clever Corruption Coalition governments and it just proves how shit Communism are at managing the economy because the interest rates are going to be higher
Australia’s economy grew 0.4 per cent in the June quarter, slightly beating most economist forecasts and further raising the prospect of an interest rate hike as soon as this month.
fsm said:
I wonder if her supporters are dinky dye white Aussies or include immigrants from the previous generation who themselves suffered prejudice.
One Nation’s new NSW leader Mike Newman is an investment banker who wants to ‘get rid of wokery’
Son of former ABC chair will contest seat of Cessnock in March state election and says ‘my wife’s Japanese’ so he doesn’t believe party is racist
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/aug/28/mike-newman-one-nation-nsw-leader-election-cessnock-candidate-ntnwfb
who cares, brumbies are important
Cymek said:
fsm said:
I wonder if her supporters are dinky dye white Aussies or include immigrants from the previous generation who themselves suffered prejudice.
She’s blaming te Prime minister for her own failings:
Hanson was this week directly blaming the prime minister for stirring up threats to her physical safety.
“He’s put me in such a position by this violence and this talk that’s coming out of him,” Hanson told ABC radio in Perth. “What he’s doing is putting me in a position of threats against me now that I have to have federal police protection whenever I’m out here, meeting people. It’s a shame. He’s caused this.”
When:
“Fellow Australians, if you are seeing me now, it means I have been murdered.”
Pauline Hanson famously recorded these words in a 12-minute video message nearly 30 years ago, soon after she founded One Nation.
Just briefly heard Marles speaking on the ABC, from which I gather:
All spending on defence is good (all other government spending is bad of course, goes without saying).
Cheap petrol is more important than the needless loss of lives of both Iranians and USAmericans.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just briefly heard Marles speaking on the ABC, from which I gather:
All spending on defence is good (all other government spending is bad of course, goes without saying).
Cheap petrol is more important than the needless loss of lives of both Iranians and USAmericans.
well then they should encourage uptake of battery electric vehicles which would collapse demand for fossil fuel oil and maintain low petroleum prices
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just briefly heard Marles speaking on the ABC, from which I gather:
All spending on defence is good (all other government spending is bad of course, goes without saying).
Cheap petrol is more important than the needless loss of lives of both Iranians and USAmericans.
well then they should encourage uptake of battery electric vehicles which would collapse demand for fossil fuel oil and maintain low petroleum prices
Would electric work for things like tank ?
Don’t you need the grunt of diesel for such vehicles
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Just briefly heard Marles speaking on the ABC, from which I gather:
All spending on defence is good (all other government spending is bad of course, goes without saying).
Cheap petrol is more important than the needless loss of lives of both Iranians and USAmericans.
well then they should encourage uptake of battery electric vehicles which would collapse demand for fossil fuel oil and maintain low petroleum prices
Would electric work for things like tank ?
Don’t you need the grunt of diesel for such vehicles
With enough battery power anything is possible. Batteries provide better torque IIRC.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-03/one-third-of-lesson-time-lost-to-misbehaviour-teachers-say/107101894
Reading this article
Assuming its not already done should students sign contracts regarding behaviour
Certain number of infractions gets suspension
That’s bad for said student but may allow others to learn.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
this is all lockdowns’ fault ¡ If we didn’t
A national survey conducted this year of more than 370 teachers has found students are missing an average of 12 weeks’ learning a year because of classroom disruptions.
have lockdowns then students would never have started misbehaving and then instead of 40 – 12 = 28 weeks of school a year we’d have 52 weeks a year ¡ We also blame vaccines
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-03/one-third-of-lesson-time-lost-to-misbehaviour-teachers-say/107101894
Reading this article
Assuming its not already done should students sign contracts regarding behaviour
Certain number of infractions gets suspension
That’s bad for said student but may allow others to learn.
Just put them all together in the same classes and then they can disrupt the same 12 weeks so it’s not as negatively impactful.
Cymek said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-03/one-third-of-lesson-time-lost-to-misbehaviour-teachers-say/107101894Reading this article
Assuming its not already done should students sign contracts regarding behaviour
Certain number of infractions gets suspension
That’s bad for said student but may allow others to learn.
The unemployables are now forced to stay until the end of year12, unless incarcerated or similar, at least in NSW.
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-03/one-third-of-lesson-time-lost-to-misbehaviour-teachers-say/107101894Reading this article
Assuming its not already done should students sign contracts regarding behaviour
Certain number of infractions gets suspension
That’s bad for said student but may allow others to learn.
The unemployables are now forced to stay until the end of year12, unless incarcerated or similar, at least in NSW.
And no one gets to learn as managing classroom behaviours takes up the majority of the teacher’s time.
US declares it will accelerate military presence in Australia
In short:
Defence Minister Richard Marles met with his US counterpart, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, in Washington DC and discussed US “force posture” in Australia.
Any expansion would come on top of the existing US presence in Australia, including US Marine rotations through Darwin and the creation of Submarine Rotational Force—West in WA.
What’s next?
Mr Marles also met with AI companies and flagged announcements about an expanded US military presence are expected in coming months.
ms spock said:
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-03/one-third-of-lesson-time-lost-to-misbehaviour-teachers-say/107101894Reading this article
Assuming its not already done should students sign contracts regarding behaviour
Certain number of infractions gets suspension
That’s bad for said student but may allow others to learn.
The unemployables are now forced to stay until the end of year12, unless incarcerated or similar, at least in NSW.
And no one gets to learn as managing classroom behaviours takes up the majority of the teacher’s time.
Not sure what solution can be offered
Is a reflection of the decay of our society.
Pathetic men who are sooky that woman are asking not be to treated like shit.
So you teach a new generation to be even worse
Spiny Norman said:
US declares it will accelerate military presence in AustraliaIn short:
Defence Minister Richard Marles met with his US counterpart, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, in Washington DC and discussed US “force posture” in Australia.Any expansion would come on top of the existing US presence in Australia, including US Marine rotations through Darwin and the creation of Submarine Rotational Force—West in WA.
What’s next?
Mr Marles also met with AI companies and flagged announcements about an expanded US military presence are expected in coming months.
What is a worry if it comes to a war with China is the USA sacrifices us and paints a target on us.
I assume its the bases we share with the USA that would be targeted with nuclear weapons
Cymek said:
ms spock said:
poikilotherm said:The unemployables are now forced to stay until the end of year12, unless incarcerated or similar, at least in NSW.
And no one gets to learn as managing classroom behaviours takes up the majority of the teacher’s time.
Not sure what solution can be offered
Is a reflection of the decay of our society.
Pathetic men who are sooky that woman are asking not be to treated like shit.
So you teach a new generation to be even worse
I heard about this on the radio news this morning. Oh how I laughed and laughed. Depends on the school; my school is quite different to Mini Me’s school.
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:
US declares it will accelerate military presence in AustraliaIn short:
Defence Minister Richard Marles met with his US counterpart, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, in Washington DC and discussed US “force posture” in Australia.Any expansion would come on top of the existing US presence in Australia, including US Marine rotations through Darwin and the creation of Submarine Rotational Force—West in WA.
What’s next?
Mr Marles also met with AI companies and flagged announcements about an expanded US military presence are expected in coming months.What is a worry if it comes to a war with China is the USA sacrifices us and paints a target on us.
I assume its the bases we share with the USA that would be targeted with nuclear weapons
Quite possibly. It would also depend on which way the Chinese are advancing I imagine. I suspect they’ll just try to take Taiwan and that’ll make them happy for a while. Though they aren’t like to be able to invade and take it over, too many variables against them.
If they start heading south to really grab the Spratly Islands, etc, then that puts us more on the line.
Divine Angel said:
Cymek said:
ms spock said:And no one gets to learn as managing classroom behaviours takes up the majority of the teacher’s time.
Not sure what solution can be offered
Is a reflection of the decay of our society.
Pathetic men who are sooky that woman are asking not be to treated like shit.
So you teach a new generation to be even worseI heard about this on the radio news this morning. Oh how I laughed and laughed. Depends on the school; my school is quite different to Mini Me’s school.
I was at school during the 70’s and 80’s
I don’t ever remember boys or teenagers ever being outrightly sexist or toxic towards girls or women.
I mean you had societal expectations of gender roles but even then I don’t think most of us took it seriously.
Cheesus ….
About as bright as a birthday candle at the bottom of the ocean encased in concrete.
Spiny Norman said:
Cheesus ….
About as bright as a birthday candle at the bottom of the ocean encased in concrete.
Cash is hard to track.
Spiny Norman said:
Cheesus ….
About as bright as a birthday candle at the bottom of the ocean encased in concrete.
I think the bank teller would prefer we went cashless for the Father’s Day stall…
Via Patrick Gorman MP on Facebook
This week we have seen two completely unacceptable political attacks on Australia’s education system.
Our schools and teachers are a national asset.
When political leaders talk down our education system, they are talking down the next generation.
Australian kids deserve better than that.
The first attack was from Senator Hanson.
She sought to blame our schools for legitimate criticism of her policy positions:
“…they’ve been misled about the truth about One Nation. It’s happening constantly, all the time in the schools…”
“All the time”?
Really Senator?
When I visit schools I see hardworking teachers and staff helping the next generation.
Maths. Science. English. And yes, teaching children how to be kind and respectful.
And then we had Senator Canavan come along.
“…they’re sick and tired of getting lectures about how bad men are at school…”
Really? Are our schools full of “lectures about how bad men are”.
I don’t know of a single school where this happens.
Do you?
I’ll say it again.
When I visit schools I see hardworking teachers and staff helping the next generation.
Maths. Science. English. And yes, teaching children how to be kind and respectful.
Here’s the problem. These Senators are not just individuals.
They are both leaders of political parties.
Their words matter.
The One Nation Party and the National Party should show a little bit of kindness and respect.
They should not talk down about schools or the teachers who work hard every day.
So let’s say thank you to our teachers.
And let’s have their backs when they become the target of immature political attacks.
Cymek said:
ms spock said:
poikilotherm said:
The unemployables are now forced to stay until the end of year12, unless incarcerated or similar, at least in NSW.
And no one gets to learn as managing classroom behaviours takes up the majority of the teacher’s time.
Not sure what solution can be offered
Is a reflection of the decay of our society.
Pathetic men who are sooky that woman are asking not be to treated like shit.
So you teach a new generation to be even worse
entertain them to death
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cheesus ….
About as bright as a birthday candle at the bottom of the ocean encased in concrete.
Cash is hard to track.
To me it’s a evolution of currency.
Yes you could control people if you could deny access to digital currency but that doesn’t really work for spending and the economy.
so we should align ourselves harder with the overseas fascists while the local fascists grow their base, this is going to go well
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cheesus ….
About as bright as a birthday candle at the bottom of the ocean encased in concrete.
Cash is hard to track.
To me it’s a evolution of currency.
Yes you could control people if you could deny access to digital currency but that doesn’t really work for spending and the economy.
wait is cash better for economic growth or is blockchain better for economic growth
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:Cash is hard to track.
To me it’s a evolution of currency.
Yes you could control people if you could deny access to digital currency but that doesn’t really work for spending and the economy.wait is cash better for economic growth or is blockchain better for economic growth
No, no, you’ve got the wrong end of the pineapple.
Pauline likes cash (as do more than a couple of other politicians of various stripes, and some members of several constabularies) precisely because it’s difficult to track.
Suppose that someone, who may perhaps have connections to money-laundering casinos, drug trading, gambling, or to something really reprehensible like mining, was to accidentally leave a paper bag full of $50 and $100 notes in your car after a brief social chat, with a note that said ‘to the finder, this money has no owner, please give it a good home’, well, you could take it home, and tuck it up safe and warm under your mattress, from where you could occasionally remove a few notes to cover some unexpected expenses, like a fur coat for the missus ( or the mister, nothing wrong with that), or the sudden need to purchase a second holiday home or an eleventh rental property, and you’d avoid a lot of fol-de-rol and bureaucracy about where the money came from, which could so tiresomely arise in a cashless economy.
Spiny Norman said:
Cheesus ….
About as bright as a birthday candle at the bottom of the ocean encased in concrete.
LOLz
Divine Angel said:
Via Patrick Gorman MP on FacebookThis week we have seen two completely unacceptable political attacks on Australia’s education system.
Our schools and teachers are a national asset.
When political leaders talk down our education system, they are talking down the next generation.
Australian kids deserve better than that.
The first attack was from Senator Hanson.
She sought to blame our schools for legitimate criticism of her policy positions:
“…they’ve been misled about the truth about One Nation. It’s happening constantly, all the time in the schools…”
“All the time”?
Really Senator?
When I visit schools I see hardworking teachers and staff helping the next generation.
Maths. Science. English. And yes, teaching children how to be kind and respectful.
And then we had Senator Canavan come along.
“…they’re sick and tired of getting lectures about how bad men are at school…”
Really? Are our schools full of “lectures about how bad men are”.
I don’t know of a single school where this happens.
Do you?
I’ll say it again.
When I visit schools I see hardworking teachers and staff helping the next generation.
Maths. Science. English. And yes, teaching children how to be kind and respectful.
Here’s the problem. These Senators are not just individuals.
They are both leaders of political parties.
Their words matter.
The One Nation Party and the National Party should show a little bit of kindness and respect.
They should not talk down about schools or the teachers who work hard every day.
So let’s say thank you to our teachers.
And let’s have their backs when they become the target of immature political attacks.
Seconded!
Divine Angel said:
Via Patrick Gorman MP on FacebookThis week we have seen two completely unacceptable political attacks on Australia’s education system.
Our schools and teachers are a national asset.
When political leaders talk down our education system, they are talking down the next generation.
Australian kids deserve better than that.
The first attack was from Senator Hanson.
She sought to blame our schools for legitimate criticism of her policy positions:
“…they’ve been misled about the truth about One Nation. It’s happening constantly, all the time in the schools…”
“All the time”?
Really Senator?
When I visit schools I see hardworking teachers and staff helping the next generation.
Maths. Science. English. And yes, teaching children how to be kind and respectful.
And then we had Senator Canavan come along.
“…they’re sick and tired of getting lectures about how bad men are at school…”
Really? Are our schools full of “lectures about how bad men are”.
I don’t know of a single school where this happens.
Do you?
I’ll say it again.
When I visit schools I see hardworking teachers and staff helping the next generation.
Maths. Science. English. And yes, teaching children how to be kind and respectful.
Here’s the problem. These Senators are not just individuals.
They are both leaders of political parties.
Their words matter.
The One Nation Party and the National Party should show a little bit of kindness and respect.
They should not talk down about schools or the teachers who work hard every day.
So let’s say thank you to our teachers.
And let’s have their backs when they become the target of immature political attacks.
+1
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:
Spiny Norman said:
US declares it will accelerate military presence in AustraliaIn short:
Defence Minister Richard Marles met with his US counterpart, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, in Washington DC and discussed US “force posture” in Australia.Any expansion would come on top of the existing US presence in Australia, including US Marine rotations through Darwin and the creation of Submarine Rotational Force—West in WA.
What’s next?
Mr Marles also met with AI companies and flagged announcements about an expanded US military presence are expected in coming months.What is a worry if it comes to a war with China is the USA sacrifices us and paints a target on us.
I assume its the bases we share with the USA that would be targeted with nuclear weapons
Quite possibly. It would also depend on which way the Chinese are advancing I imagine. I suspect they’ll just try to take Taiwan and that’ll make them happy for a while. Though they aren’t like to be able to invade and take it over, too many variables against them.
If they start heading south to really grab the Spratly Islands, etc, then that puts us more on the line.
The Coming War on China by John Pliger is worth a watch. Link
ms spock said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:
What is a worry if it comes to a war with China is the USA sacrifices us and paints a target on us.
I assume its the bases we share with the USA that would be targeted with nuclear weapons
Quite possibly. It would also depend on which way the Chinese are advancing I imagine. I suspect they’ll just try to take Taiwan and that’ll make them happy for a while. Though they aren’t like to be able to invade and take it over, too many variables against them.
If they start heading south to really grab the Spratly Islands, etc, then that puts us more on the line.
The Coming War on China by John Pliger is worth a watch. Link
thanks
also
ms spock said:
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
Via Patrick Gorman MP on Facebook
This week we have seen two completely unacceptable political attacks on Australia’s education system. Our schools and teachers are a national asset. When political leaders talk down our education system, they are talking down the next generation. Australian kids deserve better than that.
The first attack was from Senator Hanson. She sought to blame our schools for legitimate criticism of her policy positions: “…they’ve been misled about the truth about One Nation. It’s happening constantly, all the time in the schools…”
“All the time”? Really Senator?
When I visit schools I see hardworking teachers and staff helping the next generation. Maths. Science. English. And yes, teaching children how to be kind and respectful.
And then we had Senator Canavan come along. “…they’re sick and tired of getting lectures about how bad men are at school…”
Really? Are our schools full of “lectures about how bad men are”. I don’t know of a single school where this happens. Do you?
I’ll say it again. When I visit schools I see hardworking teachers and staff helping the next generation. Maths. Science. English. And yes, teaching children how to be kind and respectful.
Here’s the problem. These Senators are not just individuals. They are both leaders of political parties. Their words matter. The One Nation Party and the National Party should show a little bit of kindness and respect. They should not talk down about schools or the teachers who work hard every day.
So let’s say thank you to our teachers. And let’s have their backs when they become the target of immature political attacks.
Seconded!
+1
^
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-03/coalition-claims-teachers-push-political-agenda/107113438
While Senator Canavan did not offer any alternatives for respectful relationship and consent education on Thursday, he doubled down on a call for more male teachers. “Maybe we should look at getting more male teachers in. That used to be an agenda, I don’t know what’s happened to that. But maybe we should have more male role models in schools,” he told Nine.
then pay “traditionally female” jobs equal with “traditionally male” jobs and see what happens you anus
Mr Clare said the focus should not be on teachers, who he labelled “heroes”. “The bad guys here are the big tech companies, they’re the ones poisoning our kids with algorithms that are shovelling shit into their heads.”
^
She sought to blame our schools for legitimate criticism of her policy positions:
“…they’ve been misled about the truth about One Nation. It’s happening constantly, all the time in the schools…”
No Paulne. The teachers are doing their job and teaching about the real world.
roughbarked said:
She sought to blame our schools for legitimate criticism of her policy positions:“…they’ve been misled about the truth about One Nation. It’s happening constantly, all the time in the schools…”
No Paulne. The teachers are doing their job and teaching about the real world.
…when they’re not disrupted 9 minutes out of 30 by student behaviour, remember.
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:
She sought to blame our schools for legitimate criticism of her policy positions:“…they’ve been misled about the truth about One Nation. It’s happening constantly, all the time in the schools…”
No Paulne. The teachers are doing their job and teaching about the real world.
…when they’re not disrupted 9 minutes out of 30 by student behaviour, remember.
Yeah.
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:
She sought to blame our schools for legitimate criticism of her policy positions:
“…they’ve been misled about the truth about One Nation. It’s happening constantly, all the time in the schools…”
No Paulne. The teachers are doing their job and teaching about the real world.
…when they’re not disrupted 9 minutes out of 30 by student behaviour, remember.
Yeah.
so disruptive classroom behaviour is a fascist conspiracy to keep the population uneducated and supportive of the fascism, makes sense
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:
…when they’re not disrupted 9 minutes out of 30 by student behaviour, remember.
Yeah.
so disruptive classroom behaviour is a fascist conspiracy to keep the population uneducated and supportive of the fascism, makes sense
I doubt they are conspiring to do so. It is more simply the nature of the beast.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
Yeah.
so disruptive classroom behaviour is a fascist conspiracy to keep the population uneducated and supportive of the fascism, makes sense
I doubt they are conspiring to do so. It is more simply the nature of the beast.
No no no teachers are fascists. Kids are just another brick in the wall, they don’t need no education or “f“ought control.
Meanwhile, Pauline will be disrupting the Henty Field days.
Boree Creek farmer Graham Strong has been a long-term supporter of the event, but will reconsider attending this year after penning his concerns to organisers about Senator Hanson’s invitation, labelling her as “divisive”.
“She’s vociferous, she’s polemic, divisive, all those sorts of things,” he told ABC Riverina.
“She loves a sympathetic crowd and she obviously sees one in Farrer because it’s a One Nation lower house seat and she’s got a plane.
“So yeah I was just absolutely incredulous when I found out … and the fact that so few people seem to be standing up, going this is a problem when I know there are a lot of people out there who are just absolutely incredulous and just going what the heck is going on here.”
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:
…when they’re not disrupted 9 minutes out of 30 by student behaviour, remember.
Yeah.
so disruptive classroom behaviour is a fascist conspiracy to keep the population uneducated and supportive of the fascism, makes sense
You have drawn a long bow there.
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Yeah.
so disruptive classroom behaviour is a fascist conspiracy to keep the population uneducated and supportive of the fascism, makes sense
I doubt they are conspiring to do so. It is more simply the nature of the beast.
No no no teachers are fascists. Kids are just another brick in the wall, they don’t need no education or “f“ought control.
You have drawn a long bow there.
we mean yes we agree with roughbarked that it’s more just a happy casual correlation, but opposite to what Divine Angel claimed education is communism which is why it’s bad
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:
…when they’re not disrupted 9 minutes out of 30 by student behaviour, remember.
Yeah.
so disruptive classroom behaviour is a fascist conspiracy to keep the population uneducated and supportive of the fascism, makes sense
It’s exhausting.
“A dark day for Queenslanders” – new laws threaten nature, landholder rights
Community groups have warned that new state development laws, passed last night by the LNP government, will give the Deputy Premier unprecedented powers to fast-track major projects while stripping Queenslanders of important community, environmental, landholder and First Nations protections.
The Queensland government passed the State Development and Public Works Organisation (Critical Minerals) and Other Legislation last night with minimal amendments, despite widespread opposition from farming bodies, environmental groups, legal experts and politicians. Labor, the Katter Party and the Greens all voted against the amendments.
https://www.queenslandconservation.org.au/state_development_bill_threatens_nature_landholder_rights
Because of course it’s the LNP.
Spiny Norman said:
“A dark day for Queenslanders” – new laws threaten nature, landholder rightsCommunity groups have warned that new state development laws, passed last night by the LNP government, will give the Deputy Premier unprecedented powers to fast-track major projects while stripping Queenslanders of important community, environmental, landholder and First Nations protections.
The Queensland government passed the State Development and Public Works Organisation (Critical Minerals) and Other Legislation last night with minimal amendments, despite widespread opposition from farming bodies, environmental groups, legal experts and politicians. Labor, the Katter Party and the Greens all voted against the amendments.
https://www.queenslandconservation.org.au/state_development_bill_threatens_nature_landholder_rights
Because of course it’s the LNP.
Grrrrrrrr
More fun stuff on Facebook.
Apparently it is common knowledge that the Aus Labor Party is far left socialist.
What they think proper socialists are, I’m not sure.
The Rev Dodgson said:
More fun stuff on Facebook.Apparently it is common knowledge that the Aus Labor Party is far left socialist.
What they think proper socialists are, I’m not sure.
p.s. dv – time to update your index :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
More fun stuff on Facebook.Apparently it is common knowledge that the Aus Labor Party is far left socialist.
What they think proper socialists are, I’m not sure.
p.s. dv – time to update your index :)
In the days of Caldwell, they were tub thumpery socialists but they have moved from there to be much more conservative with little separating them from the Liberals.
Occasionally they have a red flare up but that can be treated with a conservative balm.
good news we guess
Coles will cut ties with Palantir, the controversial US data giant whose software underpins American deportation raids and battlefield targeting systems. The supermarket has confirmed its contract with the company will not extend beyond 2027, ending a partnership signed in early 2024 that gave Palantir access to more than 10 billion rows of data covering every store, every shift and each of the retailer’s 120,000 employees.
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
Spiny Norman said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cheesus ….
About as bright as a birthday candle at the bottom of the ocean encased in concrete.
Cash is hard to track.
To me it’s a evolution of currency.
Yes you could control people if you could deny access to digital currency but that doesn’t really work for spending and the economy.so we should align ourselves harder with the overseas fascists while the local fascists grow their base, this is going to go well
Quite possibly. It would also depend on which way the Chinese are advancing I imagine. I suspect they’ll just try to take Taiwan and that’ll make them happy for a while. Though they aren’t like to be able to invade and take it over, too many variables against them.
If they start heading south to really grab the Spratly Islands, etc, then that puts us more on the line.
The Coming War on China by John Pliger is worth a watch. Link
thanks
also
what are we fkn saying
nah yous know what don’t worry, someone’s gotta legitimise fascism, might as well be us
roughbarked said:
Laura Tingle referring to the orange elephant.
sorry also here
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Laura Tingle referring to the orange elephant.
sorry also here
:)
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Laura Tingle referring to the orange elephant.
sorry also here
:)
Hey we’ve heard the stories about the last time fascists were fucking around in the civilised world and allied themselves with some islands in the Asia Pacific region wanting to stomp on some other country,
what but there’s too much important stuff in Europe to throw nuclear warheads into so wait where did the 2 nuclear bombings go again, oh that’s right, it was necessary for the good guys to lob them over the Asia Pacific islands to prove the point and make an example, yes please¡
liberties and rights in the great free land of the queen now king
Queen Elizabeth II met Paul Keating “alone, to her credit” in what the prime minister was informed was her great-great-grandmother Queen Victoria’s favourite room at Balmoral Castle.
“And I took some pleasure in explaining the furniture to her,” Keating recalls, an old elan breaking through.
“It was made of Karelian, Russian Karelian birchwood. She had kept all the green-and-blue tartan carpets, all worn, so the room had something going for it. But the thing is, what had nothing going for it was any relativity to Australia.”
Keating was in the UK to deliver his monarch a message, that Australia, Australians, “did not need her any more”. Australia should, must become a republic.
“She said to me in this conversation, rather plaintively, ‘my family and I do our best for Australia’, whereas what I was really offering was a way out.”
A file note written by Keating after the meeting reaffirmed his belief in Australia’s independent future.
“The hereditary nature of the queen’s position, the remoteness from any contemporary mandate, struck me at that moment, at that proximity, as so banal, even sad.”
Keating, Australia’s 24th prime minister, was in conversation on Wednesday night at a Sydney writers’ festival event with Sydney University professor of modern history James Curran, author of Grand Ambition: Paul Keating’s Global Vision for Australia.
It is an adroitly drawn portrait of a past leader – Keating lost power 30 years ago – who remains firmly convinced his vision is still very much this country’s future. An Australia that finds its security in, rather than from, Asia, that will be a republic, that will finally walk the path to reconciliation with its Indigenous history.
‘Timidity is like a virus’
“My view of the country was bigger than the country’s view of itself, but the vision will never deteriorate,” Keating said.
Francis Fukuyama stands outdoors, with tree leaves and an arched building of Encina Hall behind him
‘If he can make money in a tyranny, that’s fine by him’: Francis Fukuyama on Trump, democracy – and changing his mind
Read more
Curran reminded his audience (gently) that his interlocutor is no longer a young man, a child of the second world war (born 1944), who was just 25 years old when he entered parliament in 1969. Who cut his political teeth during the height of the cold war, and whose time as leader coincided with its end (once held up as the “end of history”).
Keating’s first remarkable month as prime minister took in the fall of the Soviet Union; the arrival on Australian shores for the first time in three decades of a US president (George HW Bush, whom Keating wanted to “put in a headlock” to get something from him – the result was Apec, now still a key leaders’ meeting on the multilateral calendar, deep in its fourth decade); and a visit from Her Majesty (still yet a couple of years from their awkward meeting at Balmoral).
Keating’s age was apparent on Wednesday.
The voice was a little weaker, raspier; the pauses – formerly used to such dramatic effect on the floor of the Reps – a little longer; the quotes once-remembered now through an aide-memoire.
But there was still the killer line, the rapier wit, blunted a little, but still penetrating.
“Timidity,” he told Curran in their interviews for the book, “is like a virus in the bloodstream.”
Curran writes: “Keating’s central theme over the years is that the country has become afraid, and that its leaders have refrained from articulating a bigger idea of the place.
“Instead of long-term strategic thinking about the kinds of issues coming down the national and international track, he sees frenzied activity. His retort? ‘Busyness is not substance.’”
Australia suffers no shortage of political autobiography, for better or worse. Keating, famously/notoriously, has never put pen to paper in his own defence.
Recollections of a Bleeding Heart, a memoir by his speechwriter, Don Watson, was said to have wounded him. He saw it as a betrayal. In response to what he saw as yet another Hawke biography, Keating delivered a veiled threat: “If I get around to writing a book, I will be telling the truth; the whole truth.”
It never eventuated.
But throughout this conversation, and throughout Grand Ambition, it was apparent that Keating has always kept an eye on legacy, on his place in history, and on grand ambition – his own and the country’s.
Trump wants to ‘avoid world war three’
He keeps, Curran writes, meticulous records of the policies he considers the signal markers of his time in office, “the pillars of his political legacy”.
For a historian of Curran’s forensic eye, exclusive access to these files is manna from heaven.
“Each folder contains the relevant primary cabinet documents and diplomatic cables and, where applicable, briefings to and from his advisers and department, records of what other ministers thought or wrote, details of critical conversations with other leaders, and a carefully selected array of newspaper articles.
“They are all stamped ‘PJ KEATING PERSONAL COLLECTION’, arranged in precise chronological order and stapled at top left. The stamp itself is a statement about more than just the provenance of the documentary record; it is asserting, in its own way, Keating’s ownership of that past.”
To end the evening, Keating was asked for his message for young Australians, and the future they will encounter and make. The key themes were still there: a republic, Indigenous reconciliation, a fairer Australia “making housing more affordable is a great thing to be doing. And if we’ve lost 10 or 15% in house values, so what?”
But there were still surprises. Keating’s proclaimed support for the foreign policy of the current occupant of the White House – “what Trump wants to do is avoid world war three” – his existential concern over the rise of artificial intelligence: “which I think is going to be the greatest agency of change since the discovery of electricity”.
Keating was taken to a speech he gave at Kokoda. On Anzac Day in 1992, as prime minister, he had fallen to his knees and kissed the base of the memorial to fallen Australian soldiers, describing the Papua New Guinean highlands village as “the place where the depth of the soul of the Australian nation was confirmed”.
“It is important for all of us, but particularly and especially young Australians,” Keating said that day, “to believe in an independent Australia, beholden to nobody. We can’t deny young Australians their birthright to a past with meaning for them and a future without meaning: it has to be a future with meaning.”
The best way to see Darwin is flying over it on your way to Paris, P. Keating.
Can’t say I ever warmed to Paul Keating.
Why should Buckingham Palace have shrines to their colonial inhabitation of Australia anyway? Maybe a different room for every colony: the Australian room filled with taxidermied kangaroos, the New Zealand room with fresh alpine air pumped in, the Canadian room with a waxen Celine Dion perched on a couch etc.
“My family and I do our best for Australia.”
Apart from a weekly chinwag over the phone with the G-G, what exactly does the monarchy do for us? Maybe “doing their best” comprises of “leaving us alone”.
Michael Blake – the headmaster St Joseph’s College Hunters Hill.
“I want every young woman who encounters a St Joseph’s College boy to be safer because you are there. Not merely safe from you – safer because of you.”Something that is refreshingly hopeful, especially after the Angus Taylor and Matt Canavan bullshit.
how woke
Ian said:
Queen Elizabeth II met Paul Keating “alone, to her credit” in what the prime minister was informed was her great-great-grandmother Queen Victoria’s favourite room at Balmoral Castle.“And I took some pleasure in explaining the furniture to her,” Keating recalls, an old elan breaking through.
“It was made of Karelian, Russian Karelian birchwood. She had kept all the green-and-blue tartan carpets, all worn, so the room had something going for it. But the thing is, what had nothing going for it was any relativity to Australia.”
Keating was in the UK to deliver his monarch a message, that Australia, Australians, “did not need her any more”. Australia should, must become a republic.
“She said to me in this conversation, rather plaintively, ‘my family and I do our best for Australia’, whereas what I was really offering was a way out.”
A file note written by Keating after the meeting reaffirmed his belief in Australia’s independent future.“The hereditary nature of the queen’s position, the remoteness from any contemporary mandate, struck me at that moment, at that proximity, as so banal, even sad.”
Keating, Australia’s 24th prime minister, was in conversation on Wednesday night at a Sydney writers’ festival event with Sydney University professor of modern history James Curran, author of Grand Ambition: Paul Keating’s Global Vision for Australia.
It is an adroitly drawn portrait of a past leader – Keating lost power 30 years ago – who remains firmly convinced his vision is still very much this country’s future. An Australia that finds its security in, rather than from, Asia, that will be a republic, that will finally walk the path to reconciliation with its Indigenous history.
‘Timidity is like a virus’
“My view of the country was bigger than the country’s view of itself, but the vision will never deteriorate,” Keating said.
Francis Fukuyama stands outdoors, with tree leaves and an arched building of Encina Hall behind him
‘If he can make money in a tyranny, that’s fine by him’: Francis Fukuyama on Trump, democracy – and changing his mind
Read more
Curran reminded his audience (gently) that his interlocutor is no longer a young man, a child of the second world war (born 1944), who was just 25 years old when he entered parliament in 1969. Who cut his political teeth during the height of the cold war, and whose time as leader coincided with its end (once held up as the “end of history”).Keating’s first remarkable month as prime minister took in the fall of the Soviet Union; the arrival on Australian shores for the first time in three decades of a US president (George HW Bush, whom Keating wanted to “put in a headlock” to get something from him – the result was Apec, now still a key leaders’ meeting on the multilateral calendar, deep in its fourth decade); and a visit from Her Majesty (still yet a couple of years from their awkward meeting at Balmoral).
Keating’s age was apparent on Wednesday.
The voice was a little weaker, raspier; the pauses – formerly used to such dramatic effect on the floor of the Reps – a little longer; the quotes once-remembered now through an aide-memoire.
But there was still the killer line, the rapier wit, blunted a little, but still penetrating.
“Timidity,” he told Curran in their interviews for the book, “is like a virus in the bloodstream.”
Curran writes: “Keating’s central theme over the years is that the country has become afraid, and that its leaders have refrained from articulating a bigger idea of the place.
“Instead of long-term strategic thinking about the kinds of issues coming down the national and international track, he sees frenzied activity. His retort? ‘Busyness is not substance.’”
Australia suffers no shortage of political autobiography, for better or worse. Keating, famously/notoriously, has never put pen to paper in his own defence.
Recollections of a Bleeding Heart, a memoir by his speechwriter, Don Watson, was said to have wounded him. He saw it as a betrayal. In response to what he saw as yet another Hawke biography, Keating delivered a veiled threat: “If I get around to writing a book, I will be telling the truth; the whole truth.”
It never eventuated.
But throughout this conversation, and throughout Grand Ambition, it was apparent that Keating has always kept an eye on legacy, on his place in history, and on grand ambition – his own and the country’s.
Trump wants to ‘avoid world war three’
He keeps, Curran writes, meticulous records of the policies he considers the signal markers of his time in office, “the pillars of his political legacy”.
For a historian of Curran’s forensic eye, exclusive access to these files is manna from heaven.
“Each folder contains the relevant primary cabinet documents and diplomatic cables and, where applicable, briefings to and from his advisers and department, records of what other ministers thought or wrote, details of critical conversations with other leaders, and a carefully selected array of newspaper articles.
“They are all stamped ‘PJ KEATING PERSONAL COLLECTION’, arranged in precise chronological order and stapled at top left. The stamp itself is a statement about more than just the provenance of the documentary record; it is asserting, in its own way, Keating’s ownership of that past.”
To end the evening, Keating was asked for his message for young Australians, and the future they will encounter and make. The key themes were still there: a republic, Indigenous reconciliation, a fairer Australia “making housing more affordable is a great thing to be doing. And if we’ve lost 10 or 15% in house values, so what?”
But there were still surprises. Keating’s proclaimed support for the foreign policy of the current occupant of the White House – “what Trump wants to do is avoid world war three” – his existential concern over the rise of artificial intelligence: “which I think is going to be the greatest agency of change since the discovery of electricity”.
Keating was taken to a speech he gave at Kokoda. On Anzac Day in 1992, as prime minister, he had fallen to his knees and kissed the base of the memorial to fallen Australian soldiers, describing the Papua New Guinean highlands village as “the place where the depth of the soul of the Australian nation was confirmed”.
“It is important for all of us, but particularly and especially young Australians,” Keating said that day, “to believe in an independent Australia, beholden to nobody. We can’t deny young Australians their birthright to a past with meaning for them and a future without meaning: it has to be a future with meaning.”
I hadn’t seen that. Ta
Divine Angel said:
Why should Buckingham Palace have shrines to their colonial inhabitation of Australia anyway? Maybe a different room for every colony: the Australian room filled with taxidermied kangaroos, the New Zealand room with fresh alpine air pumped in, the Canadian room with a waxen Celine Dion perched on a couch etc.“My family and I do our best for Australia.”
Apart from a weekly chinwag over the phone with the G-G, what exactly does the monarchy do for us? Maybe “doing their best” comprises of “leaving us alone”.
And making sure that Australia never steps out of line.
I wish they would have lead with that, then I would not have wasted time reading the rest…
kii said:
Michael Blake – the headmaster St Joseph’s College Hunters Hill. “I want every young woman who encounters a St Joseph’s College boy to be safer because you are there. Not merely safe from you – safer because of you.”Something that is refreshingly hopeful, especially after the Angus Taylor and Matt Canavan bullshit.
He’s trying. I wish more would do that.
SCIENCE said:
how woke
What I posted? Better to be seen as “woke” than to be seen as a thug who has his boot on women’s necks.
furious said:
- Keating’s proclaimed support for the foreign policy of the current occupant of the White House
I wish they would have lead with that, then I would not have wasted time reading the rest…
I must have skipped that bit.
Keating has certainly said some strange things in his time, but that one takes the cake (assuming he actually said it, and it wasn’t intended to be ironic).
ms spock said:
kii said:
Michael Blake – the headmaster St Joseph’s College Hunters Hill. “I want every young woman who encounters a St Joseph’s College boy to be safer because you are there. Not merely safe from you – safer because of you.”Something that is refreshingly hopeful, especially after the Angus Taylor and Matt Canavan bullshit.
He’s trying. I wish more would do that.
Yep. I lived near that school in the 80s. The boys seemed mostly polite etc. It was during my child-bearing years – so pregnant, pushing strollers etc.
The school is surrounded by very high stone walls and the boys would be seen walking to sporting events etc.
kii said:
SCIENCE said:how woke
What I posted? Better to be seen as “woke” than to be seen as a thug who has his boot on women’s necks.
You can never be sure with SCIENCE, but maybe he has joined the campaign to reclaim “woke” as a description of political awareness, rather than a rightist term of derision.
The Rev Dodgson said:
furious said:
- Keating’s proclaimed support for the foreign policy of the current occupant of the White House
I wish they would have lead with that, then I would not have wasted time reading the rest…
I must have skipped that bit.
Keating has certainly said some strange things in his time, but that one takes the cake (assuming he actually said it, and it wasn’t intended to be ironic).
well in less partial context it was
But there were still surprises. Keating’s proclaimed support for the foreign policy of the current occupant of the White House – “what Trump wants to do is avoid world war three” – his existential concern over the rise of artificial intelligence: “which I think is going to be the greatest agency of change since the discovery of electricity”.
so maybe it was in the sense of how NSW police might tell a 95 year old preparing to dice some vegetables “what you want to do is drop that knife” kind of thing
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
SCIENCE said:
how woke
What I posted? Better to be seen as “woke” than to be seen as a thug who has his boot on women’s necks.
You can never be sure with SCIENCE, but maybe he has joined the campaign to reclaim “woke” as a description of political awareness, rather than a rightist term of derision.
we’re just using the descriptive term purely as a descriptive term, so we guess yes
The Rev Dodgson said:
furious said:
- Keating’s proclaimed support for the foreign policy of the current occupant of the White House
I wish they would have lead with that, then I would not have wasted time reading the rest…
I must have skipped that bit.
Keating has certainly said some strange things in his time, but that one takes the cake (assuming he actually said it, and it wasn’t intended to be ironic).
I presumed it was being ironic and sarcasm.
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
SCIENCE said:how woke
What I posted? Better to be seen as “woke” than to be seen as a thug who has his boot on women’s necks.
You can never be sure with SCIENCE, but maybe he has joined the campaign to reclaim “woke” as a description of political awareness, rather than a rightist term of derision.
That was my assumption.
furious said:
- Keating’s proclaimed support for the foreign policy of the current occupant of the White House
I wish they would have lead with that, then I would not have wasted time reading the rest…
Yeah, fuck Trump.
Nobody is taking issue with PJK’s central theme… “Timidity,” he told Curran in their interviews for the book, “is like a virus in the bloodstream.” “Keating’s central theme over the years is that the country has become afraid, and that its leaders have refrained from articulating a bigger idea of the place.”
Good
Divine Angel said:
How about FK NO.
The latest from the Jewish Council of Australia…
Now that the Royal Commission hearings are over and I’ve finally come up for air, I wanted to reach out about everything that’s happened over the last several months and what comes next.
We’re still waiting for the final report which won’t be handed down until December. We don’t know what the Commission will ultimately recommend, and there is a lot at stake in its findings. But whatever the outcome, our participation has ensured that our voices are now firmly on the record.
Myself and Jewish Council Advisory Member Josh Bornstein will be sharing more at an upcoming lunchtime webinar briefing on 16 September. Click here to register.
Our interventions at the Royal Commission proved unequivocally that the Jewish community in Australia is not a monolith, shining a light on the growing numbers of Jews who support the Palestine solidarity movement and don’t condone the crimes being committed by Israel in our name. This visibility was critical for challenging the claim that standing up for Palestinian rights is inherently antisemitic – one of our main objectives at the Commission. Repressing this movement does not prevent antisemitism, it fuels it. Whatever the Commission ultimately recommends, we have already shifted that narrative.
It was people like you that made all of that possible. Thanks to generous donations from Jewish Council supporters, we were able to hire an incredible legal team that worked around the clock to make sure a progressive Jewish voice was heard.
In fact we were the only Jewish organisation, apart from a coalition of pro-Israel organisations, granted leave to appear at the hearing block relating to the definition of antisemitism. We were also granted leave to appear at hearing blocks on the media, universities, protest and the drivers of antisemitism.
Over the last several months:
Our legal team supported members to make submissions and draft witness statements
Jewish Council members (including myself) gave evidence at the Royal Commission
Our legal team examined witnesses and interrogated evidence throughout the hearings
We commissioned an export report from Historian of Antisemitism, Professor David Feldman, which challenged the IHRA definition and repressive approaches to combatting antisemitism.
You might have seen my own testimony at the Royal Commission, or some of the wall-to-wall media coverage we received afterwards.
I used that opportunity to tell the Commission about my deep commitment to Jewish safety and the fight against antisemitism, and how this fight is interconnected with the Council’s work for Palestinian liberation, and freedom, justice and equality for all people.
The Commission gave me space to explain the personal costs of publicly criticising Israel, and the racist targetting I have experienced from both far-right and pro-Israel actors in response. As I said in my testimony, this is just one small part of a broader silencing effort against those supporting Palestinians, in the supposed name of fighting antisemitism.
The Royal Commission said at the start that it was going to be adopting the IHRA definition of antisemitism. Nevertheless, a major focus of ours during the process has been opposing this and the Universities Australia definition, as both dangerously conflate Jewish identity with support for the state of Israel. (We’re continuing to pressure institutions to reject this definition, so please sign our petition if you haven’t already).
Antisemitism is real and it is rising. But our vision for combatting it means standing arm and arm with all racialised groups, confronting the far right, and the racism and conspiracism that allow antisemitism to flourish.
We were able to put concrete solutions to the Royal Commission: community building, education, anti-racism and interfaith work, and alternatives to the IHRA definition of antisemitism like the Australian Human Rights Commission’s National Anti-racism Framework.
And the work isn’t finished. Our legal team is still busy writing submissions for each of the hearing blocks, dissecting and responding to evidence presented and drawing on the submissions of our members and the expert report we commissioned. If you’re able, please consider making a donation to help us sustain this work and plan for what comes next.
We’ll find out the Commission’s recommendations when its final report is handed down in December. But thanks to this community, the voices and experiences of progressive Jews who care deeply about both fighting antisemitism AND standing up for Palestinian freedom and justice are now firmly on the public record. The Commission must reckon with those perspectives as work commences on the report.
If you made it this far in the email – thanks for reading. You can come hear more at our interim briefing on Thursday 16 September at 12:30pm AEST.
With respect and appreciation,
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Executive Director
Jewish Council of Australia
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-08/barnaby-joyce-one-nation-superannuation-policy-early-access/107127346
I’m confuzzled why Barnaby thinks anyone’s confusing him with Jesus Christ.
Divine Angel said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-08/barnaby-joyce-one-nation-superannuation-policy-early-access/107127346I’m confuzzled why Barnaby thinks anyone’s confusing him with Jesus Christ.
Well he did have a second coming.
With more than half of the military bases in Australia having either US military or military corporate access, many are asking – could this drag Australia unwillingly into war?
See a map of all the US military bases in Australia, including Pine Gap in the Northern Territory, the highly secretive joint Australian-US satellite communications and signals intelligence surveillance base established by the CIA in 1966
Spiny Norman said:
With more than half of the military bases in Australia having either US military or military corporate access, many are asking – could this drag Australia unwillingly into war?See a map of all the US military bases in Australia, including Pine Gap in the Northern Territory, the highly secretive joint Australian-US satellite communications and signals intelligence surveillance base established by the CIA in 1966
Yes. They put Pine Gap so far inland, it would be out of the range of naval guns. 😮
Woodie said:
Spiny Norman said:
With more than half of the military bases in Australia having either US military or military corporate access, many are asking – could this drag Australia unwillingly into war?See a map of all the US military bases in Australia, including Pine Gap in the Northern Territory, the highly secretive joint Australian-US satellite communications and signals intelligence surveillance base established by the CIA in 1966
Yes. They put Pine Gap so far inland, it would be out of the range of naval guns. 😮
But not cruise missiles launched from subs off our coast.
Divine Angel said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-08/barnaby-joyce-one-nation-superannuation-policy-early-access/107127346I’m confuzzled why Barnaby thinks anyone’s confusing him with Jesus Christ.
i think it means he is not an all seeing and all knowing person like Jesus. It is his excuse for not knowing the basic details.
Divine Angel said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-08/barnaby-joyce-one-nation-superannuation-policy-early-access/107127346I’m confuzzled why Barnaby thinks anyone’s confusing him with Jesus Christ.
gish gallop
dv said:
how good is alignment with fascism
SCIENCE said:
LOL
But the SCIENCE results are back up a bit!
‘Global reckoning for big tech’: Australia to force social media platforms to allow users to opt out of algorithms
Draft legislation enforces digital duty of care including limiting children’s exposure to misogynistic and eating disorder content
Australia will allow social media account holders to opt out of the powerful algorithms pushing dangerous and divisive content into users’ feeds, part of new laws designed to boost online safety.
Users over 16 years of age will be given new tools to turn off algorithm-driven content, with platforms facing fines of more than A$100m for non-compliance.
Under the plan – dubbed “my feed, my way” – users opting out of the algorithm will see content only from individuals and groups they have actively chosen to follow.
Users would be asked what they want their default feed to be through a pop-up message provided on their platform of choice.
New laws designed to provide a digital duty of care for social media users under 18 will also require services such as online games, apps and AI chatbots to protect children from specific harms.
Such activities seem to be a prerequisite to be hired by the ON mob.
Spiny Norman said:
Such activities seem to be a prerequisite to be hired by the ON mob.
Starting to look that way.
Spiny Norman said:
Such activities seem to be a prerequisite to be hired by the ON mob.
JudgeMental said:
Spiny Norman said:
Such activities seem to be a prerequisite to be hired by the ON mob.
well that’s a bit unfair now if they were representing the socialists then you’d all be wanting to forgive them and legalise methamphetamine and leave spent convictions behind and recognise that people can grow and learn and improve
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
Spiny Norman said:
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
Context?
I think we need to read the rest of the letter.
Spiny Norman said:
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
When LNP was voted in, they promised more education support, more teacher aides, more teachers, more funding. None of that has happened naturally; TAs and teachers only got pay rises due to their unions after months of negotiations.
And let’s not forget the occupational violence. Yesterday a TA in the same classroom as me was bitten twice by a student.
Bro better not come crying to me about someone else hating education when his own party’s actions speak volumes. Bunch of wankers.
Divine Angel said:
Spiny Norman said:
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
When LNP was voted in, they promised more education support, more teacher aides, more teachers, more funding. None of that has happened naturally; TAs and teachers only got pay rises due to their unions after months of negotiations.
And let’s not forget the occupational violence. Yesterday a TA in the same classroom as me was bitten twice by a student.
Bro better not come crying to me about someone else hating education when his own party’s actions speak volumes. Bunch of wankers.
I can’t imagine the solution is easy or perhaps even solvable.
Too late now for so many problems, dealing with the outcome rather than a solution existing
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
Context?
I think we need to read the rest of the letter.
I didn’t read the whole thing but it was something about opening a wildlife corridor near a school …? Stopping the school from expanding in that direction …. ?
Don’t quote me on that.
Cymek said:
Divine Angel said:
Spiny Norman said:
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
When LNP was voted in, they promised more education support, more teacher aides, more teachers, more funding. None of that has happened naturally; TAs and teachers only got pay rises due to their unions after months of negotiations.
And let’s not forget the occupational violence. Yesterday a TA in the same classroom as me was bitten twice by a student.
Bro better not come crying to me about someone else hating education when his own party’s actions speak volumes. Bunch of wankers.
I can’t imagine the solution is easy or perhaps even solvable.
Too late now for so many problems, dealing with the outcome rather than a solution existing
So yes, it is an unsolvable problem. It’s generational and systemic. This are not easy issues to fix.
My school is extremely supportive when something happens. Many schools are not.
Divine Angel said:
Spiny Norman said:
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
When LNP was voted in, they promised more education support, more teacher aides, more teachers, more funding. None of that has happened naturally; TAs and teachers only got pay rises due to their unions after months of negotiations.
And let’s not forget the occupational violence. Yesterday a TA in the same classroom as me was bitten twice by a student.
Bro better not come crying to me about someone else hating education when his own party’s actions speak volumes. Bunch of wankers.
Fair comment.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
Context?
I think we need to read the rest of the letter.
I didn’t read the whole thing but it was something about opening a wildlife corridor near a school …? Stopping the school from expanding in that direction …. ?
Don’t quote me on that.
Ah.
Divine Angel said:
Cymek said:
Divine Angel said:
When LNP was voted in, they promised more education support, more teacher aides, more teachers, more funding. None of that has happened naturally; TAs and teachers only got pay rises due to their unions after months of negotiations.
And let’s not forget the occupational violence. Yesterday a TA in the same classroom as me was bitten twice by a student.
Bro better not come crying to me about someone else hating education when his own party’s actions speak volumes. Bunch of wankers.
I can’t imagine the solution is easy or perhaps even solvable.
Too late now for so many problems, dealing with the outcome rather than a solution existing
My union rep had no ideas, saying it was the government’s problem to solve.
So yes, it is an unsolvable problem. It’s generational and systemic. This are not easy issues to fix.
My school is extremely supportive when something happens. Many schools are not.
did ¿ they ask 跟爱 then
Divine Angel said:
Spiny Norman said:
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
When LNP was voted in, they promised more education support, more teacher aides, more teachers, more funding. None of that has happened naturally; TAs and teachers only got pay rises due to their unions after months of negotiations.
And let’s not forget the occupational violence. Yesterday a TA in the same classroom as me was bitten twice by a student.
Bro better not come crying to me about someone else hating education when his own party’s actions speak volumes. Bunch of wankers.
Further,
Divine Angel said:
Divine Angel said:
Spiny Norman said:
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
When LNP was voted in, they promised more education support, more teacher aides, more teachers, more funding. None of that has happened naturally; TAs and teachers only got pay rises due to their unions after months of negotiations.
And let’s not forget the occupational violence. Yesterday a TA in the same classroom as me was bitten twice by a student.
Bro better not come crying to me about someone else hating education when his own party’s actions speak volumes. Bunch of wankers.
Further,
oooh what ways
SCIENCE said:
Divine Angel said:
Divine Angel said:When LNP was voted in, they promised more education support, more teacher aides, more teachers, more funding. None of that has happened naturally; TAs and teachers only got pay rises due to their unions after months of negotiations.
And let’s not forget the occupational violence. Yesterday a TA in the same classroom as me was bitten twice by a student.
Bro better not come crying to me about someone else hating education when his own party’s actions speak volumes. Bunch of wankers.
Further,
oooh what ways
🤞🏼 please be a cattle prod 🤞🏼
Divine Angel said:
Divine Angel said:
Spiny Norman said:
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
When LNP was voted in, they promised more education support, more teacher aides, more teachers, more funding. None of that has happened naturally; TAs and teachers only got pay rises due to their unions after months of negotiations.
And let’s not forget the occupational violence. Yesterday a TA in the same classroom as me was bitten twice by a student.
Bro better not come crying to me about someone else hating education when his own party’s actions speak volumes. Bunch of wankers.
Further,
That is very poor that he didn’t take it.
Divine Angel said:
SCIENCE said:
Divine Angel said:
Further,
oooh what ways
🤞🏼 please be a cattle prod 🤞🏼
¿
it says they discussed ways to keep people safe, so they must know of some possible ways right
SCIENCE said:
Divine Angel said:
SCIENCE said:
oooh what ways
🤞🏼 please be a cattle prod 🤞🏼
¿
it says they discussed ways to keep people safe, so they must know of some possible ways right
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Literally everything he does makes him seem more like a complete f’wit.
Context?
I think we need to read the rest of the letter.
I didn’t read the whole thing but it was something about opening a wildlife corridor near a school …? Stopping the school from expanding in that direction …. ?
Don’t quote me on that.
Divine Angel said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:Context?
I think we need to read the rest of the letter.
I didn’t read the whole thing but it was something about opening a wildlife corridor near a school …? Stopping the school from expanding in that direction …. ?
Don’t quote me on that.
I watched Jarrod’s father grow up. I knew his grandfather well.
There’s education and then there’s education. The far right education is definitely different from mainstream education.
everyone knows that private enterprise does it better and government ownership of capital is a recipe for failure
communism bad
SCIENCE said:
everyone knows that private enterprise does it better and government ownership of capital is a recipe for failure
communism bad
Sarky.
Dear Mr Bleijie,
With reference to your viral postscript on social media asking, “Why do the Greens hate education?”, I’d like to ask you the same question.
Although important, this is not about koalas in Ormiston. This is about broken election promises and systemic failure within Queensland schools.
The LNP’s election promises included more teachers, more education support staff, more funding for resources, and more specialist behavioural teachers. I ask you, Mr Bleijie, where is that funding? Where are those teachers? Where are those support staff?
The United Workers Union represents teacher aides and school cleaners in Queensland. This year, they have asked for signatures to campaign against occupational violence. Over 21,000 incidents of occupational violence occurred in Queensland last year. The campaign has over 1000 personal testimonies from education staff injured in the workplace, including mine. Yet the Qld Director of General Education has refused to meet with UWU. Tell me, Mr Bleijie, where is government support for education staff, like myself, who have been injured at work?
Your government represents systemic failures in keeping staff and students safe. Your government has not provided funding for our most vulnerable students. Your government is responsible for change.
So let me ask you, Mr Bleijie, why does the LNP hate education?
Sincerely,
DA, TA
Divine Angel said:
Dear Mr Bleijie,
With reference to your viral postscript on social media asking, “Why do the Greens hate education?”, I’d like to ask you the same question.
Although important, this is not about koalas in Ormiston. This is about broken election promises and systemic failure within Queensland schools.
The LNP’s election promises included more teachers, more education support staff, more funding for resources, and more specialist behavioural teachers. I ask you, Mr Bleijie, where is that funding? Where are those teachers? Where are those support staff?
The United Workers Union represents teacher aides and school cleaners in Queensland. This year, they have asked for signatures to campaign against occupational violence. Over 21,000 incidents of occupational violence occurred in Queensland last year. The campaign has over 1000 personal testimonies from education staff injured in the workplace, including mine. Yet the Qld Director of General Education has refused to meet with UWU. Tell me, Mr Bleijie, where is government support for education staff, like myself, who have been injured at work?
Your government represents systemic failures in keeping staff and students safe. Your government has not provided funding for our most vulnerable students. Your government is responsible for change.
So let me ask you, Mr Bleijie, why does the LNP hate education?
Sincerely,
DA, TA
didst thou sendest it
Divine Angel said:
Dear Mr Bleijie,With reference to your viral postscript on social media asking, “Why do the Greens hate education?”, I’d like to ask you the same question.
Although important, this is not about koalas in Ormiston. This is about broken election promises and systemic failure within Queensland schools.
The LNP’s election promises included more teachers, more education support staff, more funding for resources, and more specialist behavioural teachers. I ask you, Mr Bleijie, where is that funding? Where are those teachers? Where are those support staff?
The United Workers Union represents teacher aides and school cleaners in Queensland. This year, they have asked for signatures to campaign against occupational violence. Over 21,000 incidents of occupational violence occurred in Queensland last year. The campaign has over 1000 personal testimonies from education staff injured in the workplace, including mine. Yet the Qld Director of General Education has refused to meet with UWU. Tell me, Mr Bleijie, where is government support for education staff, like myself, who have been injured at work?
Your government represents systemic failures in keeping staff and students safe. Your government has not provided funding for our most vulnerable students. Your government is responsible for change.
So let me ask you, Mr Bleijie, why does the LNP hate education?
Sincerely,
DA, TA
TA DA !!!!
Arts said:
Divine Angel said:
Dear Mr Bleijie,
With reference to your viral postscript on social media asking, “Why do the Greens hate education?”, I’d like to ask you the same question.
Although important, this is not about koalas in Ormiston. This is about broken election promises and systemic failure within Queensland schools.
The LNP’s election promises included more teachers, more education support staff, more funding for resources, and more specialist behavioural teachers. I ask you, Mr Bleijie, where is that funding? Where are those teachers? Where are those support staff?
The United Workers Union represents teacher aides and school cleaners in Queensland. This year, they have asked for signatures to campaign against occupational violence. Over 21,000 incidents of occupational violence occurred in Queensland last year. The campaign has over 1000 personal testimonies from education staff injured in the workplace, including mine. Yet the Qld Director of General Education has refused to meet with UWU. Tell me, Mr Bleijie, where is government support for education staff, like myself, who have been injured at work?
Your government represents systemic failures in keeping staff and students safe. Your government has not provided funding for our most vulnerable students. Your government is responsible for change.
So let me ask you, Mr Bleijie, why does the LNP hate education?
Sincerely,
DA, TA
TA DA !!!!
Divine Angel said:
Dear Mr Bleijie,With reference to your viral postscript on social media asking, “Why do the Greens hate education?”, I’d like to ask you the same question.
Although important, this is not about koalas in Ormiston. This is about broken election promises and systemic failure within Queensland schools.
The LNP’s election promises included more teachers, more education support staff, more funding for resources, and more specialist behavioural teachers. I ask you, Mr Bleijie, where is that funding? Where are those teachers? Where are those support staff?
The United Workers Union represents teacher aides and school cleaners in Queensland. This year, they have asked for signatures to campaign against occupational violence. Over 21,000 incidents of occupational violence occurred in Queensland last year. The campaign has over 1000 personal testimonies from education staff injured in the workplace, including mine. Yet the Qld Director of General Education has refused to meet with UWU. Tell me, Mr Bleijie, where is government support for education staff, like myself, who have been injured at work?
Your government represents systemic failures in keeping staff and students safe. Your government has not provided funding for our most vulnerable students. Your government is responsible for change.
So let me ask you, Mr Bleijie, why does the LNP hate education?
Sincerely,
DA, TA
Mail it.
We’re being steadily over-run by the moron tsunami again. :(
Spiny Norman said:
We’re being steadily over-run by the moron tsunami again. :(
Pauline says there’s “still a lot to come out” about Warren Pickering, then appears to realise the problem.
Then comes the claim that there are a lot of “paedophiliers” (sic) in Parliament.
One Nation crisis management remains a fascinating discipline.
https://x.com/aaronsmith/status/2097799880127447487
The interviewer trying hard to not laugh at her.
Lambie blasts Hanson over ‘disgusting’ Hastie traitor cartoon
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-10/federal-politics-lambie-blasts-hanson-over-hastie-cartoon/107137036
Spiny Norman said:
Pauline says there’s “still a lot to come out” about Warren Pickering, then appears to realise the problem.Then comes the claim that there are a lot of “paedophiliers” (sic) in Parliament.
One Nation crisis management remains a fascinating discipline.
https://x.com/aaronsmith/status/2097799880127447487
The interviewer trying hard to not laugh at her.
But he has to do all that stuff, so his approach can be practical, solutions-focused and grounded in lived experience.
Hopefully the Murdoch media so beholden to the Coalition will contribute something honourable for once by holding Pauline and One Nation to account for the danger they represent to sound government in this country. If we’re lucky they might even help in the self declared basket-case they call Victoria.
Pauline showing her level of political skill & knowledge yet again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAussie/comments/1wc56br/even_sky_news_is_skeptical/
Divine Angel said:
Dear Mr Bleijie,With reference to your viral postscript on social media asking, “Why do the Greens hate education?”, I’d like to ask you the same question.
Although important, this is not about koalas in Ormiston. This is about broken election promises and systemic failure within Queensland schools.
The LNP’s election promises included more teachers, more education support staff, more funding for resources, and more specialist behavioural teachers. I ask you, Mr Bleijie, where is that funding? Where are those teachers? Where are those support staff?
The United Workers Union represents teacher aides and school cleaners in Queensland. This year, they have asked for signatures to campaign against occupational violence. Over 21,000 incidents of occupational violence occurred in Queensland last year. The campaign has over 1000 personal testimonies from education staff injured in the workplace, including mine. Yet the Qld Director of General Education has refused to meet with UWU. Tell me, Mr Bleijie, where is government support for education staff, like myself, who have been injured at work?
Your government represents systemic failures in keeping staff and students safe. Your government has not provided funding for our most vulnerable students. Your government is responsible for change.
So let me ask you, Mr Bleijie, why does the LNP hate education?
Sincerely,
DA, TA
Well said
ms spock said:
Divine Angel said:
Dear Mr Bleijie,With reference to your viral postscript on social media asking, “Why do the Greens hate education?”, I’d like to ask you the same question.
Although important, this is not about koalas in Ormiston. This is about broken election promises and systemic failure within Queensland schools.
The LNP’s election promises included more teachers, more education support staff, more funding for resources, and more specialist behavioural teachers. I ask you, Mr Bleijie, where is that funding? Where are those teachers? Where are those support staff?
The United Workers Union represents teacher aides and school cleaners in Queensland. This year, they have asked for signatures to campaign against occupational violence. Over 21,000 incidents of occupational violence occurred in Queensland last year. The campaign has over 1000 personal testimonies from education staff injured in the workplace, including mine. Yet the Qld Director of General Education has refused to meet with UWU. Tell me, Mr Bleijie, where is government support for education staff, like myself, who have been injured at work?
Your government represents systemic failures in keeping staff and students safe. Your government has not provided funding for our most vulnerable students. Your government is responsible for change.
So let me ask you, Mr Bleijie, why does the LNP hate education?
Sincerely,
DA, TA
Well said
^^^
:)
ahahahahahahahahahaha
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-10/qld-credit-rating-downgrade/107139976
Queensland is on the brink of a credit rating downgrade, piling further pressure onto the state’s spiralling multi-billion-dollar debt and interest costs. The ABC understands a downgrade is imminent, sparking a blame game between Canberra and the LNP state government. AMP chief economist Shane Oliver said a knock to Queensland’s AA+ rating would see the cost of maintaining its ballooning debt increase.
this proves what good economic managers Corruption are, everyone knows that if Communism were running the place then the downgrade would have happened 3 years ago the bastards
wait
see everyone knows
OK
The head of Instagram says the average person who turns off their algorithm will have a much worse “user experience” and he does not think the platform is addictive. The comments come two days after the Albanese government announced a proposal to force platforms to give Australians a choice to quit their algorithmically-curated feed. Chronological feeds are already available to Instagram users in Australia but Adam Mosseri said user awareness was low, and there was “room to improve discoverability”.
so he’s lying
SCIENCE said:
OK
The head of Instagram says the average person who turns off their algorithm will have a much worse “user experience” and he does not think the platform is addictive. The comments come two days after the Albanese government announced a proposal to force platforms to give Australians a choice to quit their algorithmically-curated feed. Chronological feeds are already available to Instagram users in Australia but Adam Mosseri said user awareness was low, and there was “room to improve discoverability”.
so he’s lying
Reminds me of: “I believe that nicotine is not additive”.
These companies actively researched addictive behaviours and adapted their products to make them addictive.
alleged
ms spock said:
Divine Angel said:
Dear Mr Bleijie,With reference to your viral postscript on social media asking, “Why do the Greens hate education?”, I’d like to ask you the same question.
Although important, this is not about koalas in Ormiston. This is about broken election promises and systemic failure within Queensland schools.
The LNP’s election promises included more teachers, more education support staff, more funding for resources, and more specialist behavioural teachers. I ask you, Mr Bleijie, where is that funding? Where are those teachers? Where are those support staff?
The United Workers Union represents teacher aides and school cleaners in Queensland. This year, they have asked for signatures to campaign against occupational violence. Over 21,000 incidents of occupational violence occurred in Queensland last year. The campaign has over 1000 personal testimonies from education staff injured in the workplace, including mine. Yet the Qld Director of General Education has refused to meet with UWU. Tell me, Mr Bleijie, where is government support for education staff, like myself, who have been injured at work?
Your government represents systemic failures in keeping staff and students safe. Your government has not provided funding for our most vulnerable students. Your government is responsible for change.
So let me ask you, Mr Bleijie, why does the LNP hate education?
Sincerely,
DA, TA
Well said
+1
SCIENCE said:
OK
The head of Instagram says the average person who turns off their algorithm will have a much worse “user experience” and he does not think the platform is addictive. The comments come two days after the Albanese government announced a proposal to force platforms to give Australians a choice to quit their algorithmically-curated feed. Chronological feeds are already available to Instagram users in Australia but Adam Mosseri said user awareness was low, and there was “room to improve discoverability”.
so he’s lying
He is indeed!
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/queensland-faces-imminent-credit-rating-downgrade-amid-bond-market-turmoil-20260910-p60w7k
Queensland faces credit rating downgrade as treasurers trade blows
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:OK
The head of Instagram says the average person who turns off their algorithm will have a much worse “user experience” and he does not think the platform is addictive. The comments come two days after the Albanese government announced a proposal to force platforms to give Australians a choice to quit their algorithmically-curated feed. Chronological feeds are already available to Instagram users in Australia but Adam Mosseri said user awareness was low, and there was “room to improve discoverability”.
so he’s lying
Reminds me of: “I believe that nicotine is not additive”.
These companies actively researched addictive behaviours and adapted their products to make them addictive.
Silicon Valley does not let their children iPads and mobiles. Steve Jobs didn’t let his kids use iPads.
ms spock said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:OK
The head of Instagram says the average person who turns off their algorithm will have a much worse “user experience” and he does not think the platform is addictive. The comments come two days after the Albanese government announced a proposal to force platforms to give Australians a choice to quit their algorithmically-curated feed. Chronological feeds are already available to Instagram users in Australia but Adam Mosseri said user awareness was low, and there was “room to improve discoverability”.
so he’s lying
Reminds me of: “I believe that nicotine is not additive”.
These companies actively researched addictive behaviours and adapted their products to make them addictive.
Silicon Valley does not let their children iPads and mobiles. Steve Jobs didn’t let his kids use iPads.
They used them but their screen time was restricted. Which is what all parents should be doing.. moderation..
Arts said:
ms spock said:
party_pants said:Reminds me of: “I believe that nicotine is not additive”.
These companies actively researched addictive behaviours and adapted their products to make them addictive.
Silicon Valley does not let their children iPads and mobiles. Steve Jobs didn’t let his kids use iPads.
They used them but their screen time was restricted. Which is what all parents should be doing.. moderation..
wait, screen time can mean a lot of things… so maybe they didn’t use ipads specifically, but a restricted screen time still is a great idea.
Fiona Wood and her sister are friends of mine… Fiona did not have a TV in her house when her children were growing up.
Arts said:
Arts said:
ms spock said:Silicon Valley does not let their children iPads and mobiles. Steve Jobs didn’t let his kids use iPads.
They used them but their screen time was restricted. Which is what all parents should be doing.. moderation..
wait, screen time can mean a lot of things… so maybe they didn’t use ipads specifically, but a restricted screen time still is a great idea.
Fiona Wood and her sister are friends of mine… Fiona did not have a TV in her house when her children were growing up.
Do you think perhaps and I can’t say I’ve ever checked
That Gen X who grew up with no social media of any type in our teens and 20’s, primitive PC’s that required skill to use, etc have better overall sensibility with it.
Also I don’t know about you but in my teens and 20’s we would just disappear all day on weekends and after school and no one really worried.
I’d go clubbing in my 20’s with people I just meet and it was perfectly safe.
All of that seems to have taken away with it being deemed irresponsible if you had no clue where your children are nowadays.
So much social media is bullying often anonymous so isn’t easy to deal with.
Its nasty as well as an adult you could probably sue someone and we expect children or did to just roll with it.
SCIENCE said:
OK
The head of Instagram says the average person who turns off their algorithm will have a much worse “user experience” and he does not think the platform is addictive. The comments come two days after the Albanese government announced a proposal to force platforms to give Australians a choice to quit their algorithmically-curated feed. Chronological feeds are already available to Instagram users in Australia but Adam Mosseri said user awareness was low, and there was “room to improve discoverability”.
so he’s lying
Pretty sure that the people who never use Instragram have the best experience
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
OK
The head of Instagram says the average person who turns off their algorithm will have a much worse “user experience” and he does not think the platform is addictive. The comments come two days after the Albanese government announced a proposal to force platforms to give Australians a choice to quit their algorithmically-curated feed. Chronological feeds are already available to Instagram users in Australia but Adam Mosseri said user awareness was low, and there was “room to improve discoverability”.
so he’s lying
Pretty sure that the people who never use Instragram have the best experience
maybe that’s what he means, “any procedure that generates a result is an algorithm, therefore if you turn off the algorithm you will already have accumulated worse experience than someone who never started using the algorithm in the first place”
feels like the classic entrapment question “have you turned off the algorithm yet”
Arts said:
ms spock said:Silicon Valley does not let their children iPads and mobiles. Steve Jobs didn’t let his kids use iPads.
They used them but their screen time was restricted. Which is what all parents should be doing.. moderation..
When asked in a 2011 interview with The New York Times if his children loved the iPad, Jobs replied that they had not used it and explained, “We don’t allow the iPad in the home. We think it’s too dangerous for them.
ms spock said:
Arts said:
ms spock said:Silicon Valley does not let their children iPads and mobiles. Steve Jobs didn’t let his kids use iPads.
They used them but their screen time was restricted. Which is what all parents should be doing.. moderation..
When asked in a 2011 interview with The New York Times if his children loved the iPad, Jobs replied that they had not used it and explained, “We don’t allow the iPad in the home. We think it’s too dangerous for them.
what about the current lot
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
Arts said:They used them but their screen time was restricted. Which is what all parents should be doing.. moderation..
When asked in a 2011 interview with The New York Times if his children loved the iPad, Jobs replied that they had not used it and explained, “We don’t allow the iPad in the home. We think it’s too dangerous for them.
what about the current lot
Last I read no mobiles until they are 16. Mobiles collected at night and returned in the morning.
Labor maintains significant leads over both ONP and LNP.
ms spock said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
OK
The head of Instagram says the average person who turns off their algorithm will have a much worse “user experience” and he does not think the platform is addictive. The comments come two days after the Albanese government announced a proposal to force platforms to give Australians a choice to quit their algorithmically-curated feed. Chronological feeds are already available to Instagram users in Australia but Adam Mosseri said user awareness was low, and there was “room to improve discoverability”.
so he’s lying
Reminds me of: “I believe that nicotine is not additive”.
These companies actively researched addictive behaviours and adapted their products to make them addictive.
Silicon Valley does not let their children iPads and mobiles. Steve Jobs didn’t let his kids use iPads.
thing is by simple selection iteration they don’t really need to “research” what gives them the most profit
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:When asked in a 2011 interview with The New York Times if his children loved the iPad, Jobs replied that they had not used it and explained, “We don’t allow the iPad in the home. We think it’s too dangerous for them.
what about the current lot
Last I read no mobiles until they are 16. Mobiles collected at night and returned in the morning.
it’s kind of funny though because then you have the average fellas just railing against the bans
totally sensible
so what do Steve Job’s children do now?
One is a writer, one is a fashion model and equestrian, one has a masters degree from Stanford and is a venture capitalist and health philanthropist, and the last one is very private but has studied in architecture and design.
all great accomplishments but nothing out of the ordinary for any children who have a very privileged life.
some people don’t hold hoses mate
Arts said:
so what do Steve Job’s children do now?One is a writer, one is a fashion model and equestrian, one has a masters degree from Stanford and is a venture capitalist and health philanthropist, and the last one is very private but has studied in architecture and design.
all great accomplishments but nothing out of the ordinary for any children who have a very privileged life.
Jobs had some strange ideas, notably his notion that his cancer could be cured by a fruit-only diet.
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:
so what do Steve Job’s children do now?One is a writer, one is a fashion model and equestrian, one has a masters degree from Stanford and is a venture capitalist and health philanthropist, and the last one is very private but has studied in architecture and design.
all great accomplishments but nothing out of the ordinary for any children who have a very privileged life.
Jobs had some strange ideas, notably his notion that his cancer could be cured by a fruit-only diet.
Jobs was a hack good at cajoling others to create shiny things. Wozniak was the visionary.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:
so what do Steve Job’s children do now?One is a writer, one is a fashion model and equestrian, one has a masters degree from Stanford and is a venture capitalist and health philanthropist, and the last one is very private but has studied in architecture and design.
all great accomplishments but nothing out of the ordinary for any children who have a very privileged life.
Jobs had some strange ideas, notably his notion that his cancer could be cured by a fruit-only diet.
Jobs was a hack good at cajoling others to create shiny things. Wozniak was the visionary.
Indeed. My real bias for Jobs was his involvement with Pixar. He bought Lucasfilm’s graphics department and pushed for it to make animated films. Pixar hasn’t done too badly for itself despite Jobs’ involvement. I’m not sure on the exact details but he used his Apple money to finance Pixar in the early days.
Divine Angel said:
Arts said:
so what do Steve Job’s children do now?One is a writer, one is a fashion model and equestrian, one has a masters degree from Stanford and is a venture capitalist and health philanthropist, and the last one is very private but has studied in architecture and design.
all great accomplishments but nothing out of the ordinary for any children who have a very privileged life.
Jobs had some strange ideas, notably his notion that his cancer could be cured by a fruit-only diet.
It’s these outcomes that to me thrown a spanner in the works of conspiracies of big pharma having cures for cancer.
If they do then why do billionaires die, whose the target market then, billionaire illuminati
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
party_pants said:
Reminds me of: “I believe that nicotine is not additive”.
These companies actively researched addictive behaviours and adapted their products to make them addictive.
Silicon Valley does not let their children iPads and mobiles. Steve Jobs didn’t let his kids use iPads.
thing is by simple selection iteration they don’t really need to “research” what gives them the most profit
They’ve done the research. That’s why they have whistle blowers quitting and speaking out.
One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts resurfaces 9/11 conspiracy claims in podcast
One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts has suggested the September 11 terror attack was a hoax in a resurfaced 2021 podcast, raising conspiracy theories about controlled demolitions on the eve of the attack’s 25th anniversary. The remarks add to ongoing controversies surrounding the senator and his party.
Roberts, who has previously promoted Holocaust denial material and questioned the COVID-19 pandemic, echoed claims that World Trade Centre Building 7 collapsed due to controlled demolition, despite a US investigation finding it was caused by uncontrolled fires. He has also faced scrutiny over comments about the Bondi massacre and chemtrails, which he denies endorsing.
The controversy has strained One Nation, with leader Pauline Hanson defending Roberts while some colleagues privately express concern. The party faces additional scrutiny over its finances and other personnel issues, though it remains ascendant in polls.
FFS ….
Spiny Norman said:
One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts resurfaces 9/11 conspiracy claims in podcastOne Nation senator Malcolm Roberts has suggested the September 11 terror attack was a hoax in a resurfaced 2021 podcast, raising conspiracy theories about controlled demolitions on the eve of the attack’s 25th anniversary. The remarks add to ongoing controversies surrounding the senator and his party.
Roberts, who has previously promoted Holocaust denial material and questioned the COVID-19 pandemic, echoed claims that World Trade Centre Building 7 collapsed due to controlled demolition, despite a US investigation finding it was caused by uncontrolled fires. He has also faced scrutiny over comments about the Bondi massacre and chemtrails, which he denies endorsing.
The controversy has strained One Nation, with leader Pauline Hanson defending Roberts while some colleagues privately express concern. The party faces additional scrutiny over its finances and other personnel issues, though it remains ascendant in polls.
FFS ….
It was always going to be a problem. Pauline attracts them.
Spiny Norman said:
One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts resurfaces 9/11 conspiracy claims in podcastOne Nation senator Malcolm Roberts has suggested the September 11 terror attack was a hoax in a resurfaced 2021 podcast, raising conspiracy theories about controlled demolitions on the eve of the attack’s 25th anniversary. The remarks add to ongoing controversies surrounding the senator and his party.
Roberts, who has previously promoted Holocaust denial material and questioned the COVID-19 pandemic, echoed claims that World Trade Centre Building 7 collapsed due to controlled demolition, despite a US investigation finding it was caused by uncontrolled fires. He has also faced scrutiny over comments about the Bondi massacre and chemtrails, which he denies endorsing.
The controversy has strained One Nation, with leader Pauline Hanson defending Roberts while some colleagues privately express concern. The party faces additional scrutiny over its finances and other personnel issues, though it remains ascendant in polls.
FFS ….
Sigh.
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts resurfaces 9/11 conspiracy claims in podcast
One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts has suggested the September 11 terror attack was a hoax in a resurfaced 2021 podcast, raising conspiracy theories about controlled demolitions on the eve of the attack’s 25th anniversary. The remarks add to ongoing controversies surrounding the senator and his party.
Roberts, who has previously promoted Holocaust denial material and questioned the COVID-19 pandemic, echoed claims that World Trade Centre Building 7 collapsed due to controlled demolition, despite a US investigation finding it was caused by uncontrolled fires. He has also faced scrutiny over comments about the Bondi massacre and chemtrails, which he denies endorsing.
The controversy has strained One Nation, with leader Pauline Hanson defending Roberts while some colleagues privately express concern. The party faces additional scrutiny over its finances and other personnel issues, though it remains ascendant in polls.
FFS ….
It was always going to be a problem. Pauline attracts them.
300000000 americese and 13000000 australese love this
How unsurprising.
Spiny Norman said:
How unsurprising.
Good for them. Why is this news?
Divine Angel said:
Spiny Norman said:
How unsurprising.
Good for them. Why is this news?
because https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere-exposure_effect means the captured media can rustle up more support for the fascists
Carrick Ryan
about an hour ago
At some point in the last 20 years, national pride became a truly divisive political issue, and it’s worth examining why… because as simple as it might be to blame this all on the rise of the far right, there’s far more to this story.
I’ve made my position clear a few times now that I find the notion of “national pride” a bit silly, just as I find the notion of collective national shame for historical crimes overwhelmingly illogical.
I have raised my concerns about how national pride becomes dangerous when it is weaponised by nationalists with more sinister objectives. But I also think that it is, for the most part, fairly harmless when left unexploited by political operatives.
We all have an inherent desire to belong to a collective, and to share in each other’s achievements. It’s why I wear the jerseys of my favourite sporting team and cheer “our” victories, as though my supportive screams from my living room somehow contributed to the outcome.
But at some point, this otherwise harmless joy from being part of the unparalleled success story that is the Australian project took on a more menacing and nefarious hostility.
When tracking this evolution through News Corp narratives and social media algorithms, it’s also prudent to ask how progressive discourse might have, at the very least, hastened this radicalisation. If we are to critically examine the more toxic elements of progressive politics over the past 20 years, it is the proclivity towards puritanism that must bear some responsibility for our societal polarisation. These are the doctrines that denounced anyone who failed to align with the values of progressive orthodoxy as not just wrong, but fundamentally immoral.
In fairness, the race riots of Cronulla in 2005 no doubt fermented the correlation between our national flag and violence in the minds of many, but the extent to which this was extrapolated and fermented to condemn any Australian who found joy in their national identity created an atmosphere akin to a cultural revolution, possessed by a perceived moral urgency.
This manifested itself most prominently in the Australia Day debate. Not because the “change the date” campaign was wrong in their objectives, but because the campaign made little attempt to change the minds of those who enjoyed the national holiday for entirely innocent reasons, and instead focused on the moral condemnation of those who failed to appreciate the way their joy was experienced by others. It has been, in many ways, Australia’s “basket of deplorables” moment.
Of course, this was not the only example of moral absolutism that has defined the last two decades. If anyone did not agree that Australia was racist, they themselves were cast as racist. If anyone raised concerns about the the propagation of Islamic fundamentalism, they were Islamaphobic. If anyone did not accept that gender identity was changeable, they were transphobic.
Gradually, many on the Left felt sufficiently empowered that they believed they were no longer compelled to explain the virtues of their position, and instead argued as though the righteousness of their position was a moral fact.
What we are witnessing across the MAGA’sphere and its proxies is the embrace of moral condemnation; a collective bravery to defy what they perceive to be cultural norms imposed by a social elite concerned more with ideological virtue signalling than practical outcomes.
By demanding the moral orthodoxy of the Left be embraced in its totality to be tolerated at all, the moral absolutists created terms of compliance which were, essentially, “all or nothing”. Once the political power of the left waned, the latter option became increasingly viable.
It is within this environment that genuine moral depravity can proliferate unchecked, given free reign in an ecosystem that has deliberately absolved itself of the ethical guidelines that had defined how we think, speak, and act, in public and in private for decades. Once established and normalised, this new ecosystem celebrated the defiance of left-wing moral outrage, and no one could trigger this outrage like Donald Trump, or in Australia, Pauline Hanson.
This is the fertile ground in which the truly sinister political aspirants can emerge within a rising tide of moral outcasts, insisting that even the most objectively degenerate beliefs were yet another example of common sense maligned by left-wing elites.
But while Australian flags at barbecues on Australia Day caused me no alarm, the sight of the same flags at rallies and protests are, in my eyes, evidence of their usurpation by a social movement which seeks to take ownership of the symbol; a proclamation of a political allegiance which assigns our national flag to their specific idea of Australia. This is a claim that many on the Left helped reinforce.
My objective here is not to castigate those who, in almost every instance, were seeking to create a more inclusive and empathetic society. But I am hopeful that if we can achieve the necessary self-awareness to acknowledge how good intentions might have helped create this problem, it could offer us clues to the solution.
The political left has squandered its era of political power through over reach and inflexibility. It’s opportunity to return to power lies in the fact the political right seems committed to making the exact same mistakes. If these seemingly unstoppable populist movements are to be sidelined, the political centre must present itself more loudly as a viable option, one more forgiving of moral disagreements that need not decide elections.
It’s often said that it’s lonely place to be a centrist, but there are no shortages of those looking for an off ramp inbetween the escalating political fringes. What’s needed is louder voices, assuring them that they aren’t alone after all.
The problem is that leaving governments out of decisions about what constitutes harm does not leave an internet where nobody is making choices about what Australians see. Tech companies already do.
what, no way man, freedom exists in a void
JudgeMental said:
Carrick Ryanabout an hour ago
At some point in the last 20 years, national pride became a truly divisive political issue, and it’s worth examining why… because as simple as it might be to blame this all on the rise of the far right, there’s far more to this story.
I’ve made my position clear a few times now that I find the notion of “national pride” a bit silly, just as I find the notion of collective national shame for historical crimes overwhelmingly illogical.
I have raised my concerns about how national pride becomes dangerous when it is weaponised by nationalists with more sinister objectives. But I also think that it is, for the most part, fairly harmless when left unexploited by political operatives.
We all have an inherent desire to belong to a collective, and to share in each other’s achievements. It’s why I wear the jerseys of my favourite sporting team and cheer “our” victories, as though my supportive screams from my living room somehow contributed to the outcome.
But at some point, this otherwise harmless joy from being part of the unparalleled success story that is the Australian project took on a more menacing and nefarious hostility.
When tracking this evolution through News Corp narratives and social media algorithms, it’s also prudent to ask how progressive discourse might have, at the very least, hastened this radicalisation. If we are to critically examine the more toxic elements of progressive politics over the past 20 years, it is the proclivity towards puritanism that must bear some responsibility for our societal polarisation. These are the doctrines that denounced anyone who failed to align with the values of progressive orthodoxy as not just wrong, but fundamentally immoral.
In fairness, the race riots of Cronulla in 2005 no doubt fermented the correlation between our national flag and violence in the minds of many, but the extent to which this was extrapolated and fermented to condemn any Australian who found joy in their national identity created an atmosphere akin to a cultural revolution, possessed by a perceived moral urgency.
This manifested itself most prominently in the Australia Day debate. Not because the “change the date” campaign was wrong in their objectives, but because the campaign made little attempt to change the minds of those who enjoyed the national holiday for entirely innocent reasons, and instead focused on the moral condemnation of those who failed to appreciate the way their joy was experienced by others. It has been, in many ways, Australia’s “basket of deplorables” moment.
Of course, this was not the only example of moral absolutism that has defined the last two decades. If anyone did not agree that Australia was racist, they themselves were cast as racist. If anyone raised concerns about the the propagation of Islamic fundamentalism, they were Islamaphobic. If anyone did not accept that gender identity was changeable, they were transphobic.
Gradually, many on the Left felt sufficiently empowered that they believed they were no longer compelled to explain the virtues of their position, and instead argued as though the righteousness of their position was a moral fact.
What we are witnessing across the MAGA’sphere and its proxies is the embrace of moral condemnation; a collective bravery to defy what they perceive to be cultural norms imposed by a social elite concerned more with ideological virtue signalling than practical outcomes.By demanding the moral orthodoxy of the Left be embraced in its totality to be tolerated at all, the moral absolutists created terms of compliance which were, essentially, “all or nothing”. Once the political power of the left waned, the latter option became increasingly viable.
It is within this environment that genuine moral depravity can proliferate unchecked, given free reign in an ecosystem that has deliberately absolved itself of the ethical guidelines that had defined how we think, speak, and act, in public and in private for decades. Once established and normalised, this new ecosystem celebrated the defiance of left-wing moral outrage, and no one could trigger this outrage like Donald Trump, or in Australia, Pauline Hanson.
This is the fertile ground in which the truly sinister political aspirants can emerge within a rising tide of moral outcasts, insisting that even the most objectively degenerate beliefs were yet another example of common sense maligned by left-wing elites.
But while Australian flags at barbecues on Australia Day caused me no alarm, the sight of the same flags at rallies and protests are, in my eyes, evidence of their usurpation by a social movement which seeks to take ownership of the symbol; a proclamation of a political allegiance which assigns our national flag to their specific idea of Australia. This is a claim that many on the Left helped reinforce.
My objective here is not to castigate those who, in almost every instance, were seeking to create a more inclusive and empathetic society. But I am hopeful that if we can achieve the necessary self-awareness to acknowledge how good intentions might have helped create this problem, it could offer us clues to the solution.
The political left has squandered its era of political power through over reach and inflexibility. It’s opportunity to return to power lies in the fact the political right seems committed to making the exact same mistakes. If these seemingly unstoppable populist movements are to be sidelined, the political centre must present itself more loudly as a viable option, one more forgiving of moral disagreements that need not decide elections.
It’s often said that it’s lonely place to be a centrist, but there are no shortages of those looking for an off ramp inbetween the escalating political fringes. What’s needed is louder voices, assuring them that they aren’t alone after all.
Fair comment. I think that is part, but not all of it. There is also some anti-intellectualism mixed in there too. (And maybe some other stuff as well.)
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
Carrick Ryanabout an hour ago
At some point in the last 20 years, national pride became a truly divisive political issue, and it’s worth examining why… because as simple as it might be to blame this all on the rise of the far right, there’s far more to this story.
I’ve made my position clear a few times now that I find the notion of “national pride” a bit silly, just as I find the notion of collective national shame for historical crimes overwhelmingly illogical.
I have raised my concerns about how national pride becomes dangerous when it is weaponised by nationalists with more sinister objectives. But I also think that it is, for the most part, fairly harmless when left unexploited by political operatives.
We all have an inherent desire to belong to a collective, and to share in each other’s achievements. It’s why I wear the jerseys of my favourite sporting team and cheer “our” victories, as though my supportive screams from my living room somehow contributed to the outcome.
But at some point, this otherwise harmless joy from being part of the unparalleled success story that is the Australian project took on a more menacing and nefarious hostility.
When tracking this evolution through News Corp narratives and social media algorithms, it’s also prudent to ask how progressive discourse might have, at the very least, hastened this radicalisation. If we are to critically examine the more toxic elements of progressive politics over the past 20 years, it is the proclivity towards puritanism that must bear some responsibility for our societal polarisation. These are the doctrines that denounced anyone who failed to align with the values of progressive orthodoxy as not just wrong, but fundamentally immoral.
In fairness, the race riots of Cronulla in 2005 no doubt fermented the correlation between our national flag and violence in the minds of many, but the extent to which this was extrapolated and fermented to condemn any Australian who found joy in their national identity created an atmosphere akin to a cultural revolution, possessed by a perceived moral urgency.
This manifested itself most prominently in the Australia Day debate. Not because the “change the date” campaign was wrong in their objectives, but because the campaign made little attempt to change the minds of those who enjoyed the national holiday for entirely innocent reasons, and instead focused on the moral condemnation of those who failed to appreciate the way their joy was experienced by others. It has been, in many ways, Australia’s “basket of deplorables” moment.
Of course, this was not the only example of moral absolutism that has defined the last two decades. If anyone did not agree that Australia was racist, they themselves were cast as racist. If anyone raised concerns about the the propagation of Islamic fundamentalism, they were Islamaphobic. If anyone did not accept that gender identity was changeable, they were transphobic.
Gradually, many on the Left felt sufficiently empowered that they believed they were no longer compelled to explain the virtues of their position, and instead argued as though the righteousness of their position was a moral fact.
What we are witnessing across the MAGA’sphere and its proxies is the embrace of moral condemnation; a collective bravery to defy what they perceive to be cultural norms imposed by a social elite concerned more with ideological virtue signalling than practical outcomes.By demanding the moral orthodoxy of the Left be embraced in its totality to be tolerated at all, the moral absolutists created terms of compliance which were, essentially, “all or nothing”. Once the political power of the left waned, the latter option became increasingly viable.
It is within this environment that genuine moral depravity can proliferate unchecked, given free reign in an ecosystem that has deliberately absolved itself of the ethical guidelines that had defined how we think, speak, and act, in public and in private for decades. Once established and normalised, this new ecosystem celebrated the defiance of left-wing moral outrage, and no one could trigger this outrage like Donald Trump, or in Australia, Pauline Hanson.
This is the fertile ground in which the truly sinister political aspirants can emerge within a rising tide of moral outcasts, insisting that even the most objectively degenerate beliefs were yet another example of common sense maligned by left-wing elites.
But while Australian flags at barbecues on Australia Day caused me no alarm, the sight of the same flags at rallies and protests are, in my eyes, evidence of their usurpation by a social movement which seeks to take ownership of the symbol; a proclamation of a political allegiance which assigns our national flag to their specific idea of Australia. This is a claim that many on the Left helped reinforce.
My objective here is not to castigate those who, in almost every instance, were seeking to create a more inclusive and empathetic society. But I am hopeful that if we can achieve the necessary self-awareness to acknowledge how good intentions might have helped create this problem, it could offer us clues to the solution.
The political left has squandered its era of political power through over reach and inflexibility. It’s opportunity to return to power lies in the fact the political right seems committed to making the exact same mistakes. If these seemingly unstoppable populist movements are to be sidelined, the political centre must present itself more loudly as a viable option, one more forgiving of moral disagreements that need not decide elections.
It’s often said that it’s lonely place to be a centrist, but there are no shortages of those looking for an off ramp inbetween the escalating political fringes. What’s needed is louder voices, assuring them that they aren’t alone after all.
Fair comment. I think that is part, but not all of it. There is also some anti-intellectualism mixed in there too. (And maybe some other stuff as well.)
Didn’t seem fair to me.
Seems rather an attempt to blame “the left” for the goings on of “the right”.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
Carrick Ryan
about an hour ago
At some point in the last 20 years, national pride became a truly divisive political issue, and it’s worth examining why… because as simple as it might be to blame this all on the rise of the far right, there’s far more to this story.
I’ve made my position clear a few times now that I find the notion of “national pride” a bit silly, just as I find the notion of collective national shame for historical crimes overwhelmingly illogical.
I have raised my concerns about how national pride becomes dangerous when it is weaponised by nationalists with more sinister objectives. But I also think that it is, for the most part, fairly harmless when left unexploited by political operatives.
We all have an inherent desire to belong to a collective, and to share in each other’s achievements. It’s why I wear the jerseys of my favourite sporting team and cheer “our” victories, as though my supportive screams from my living room somehow contributed to the outcome.
But at some point, this otherwise harmless joy from being part of the unparalleled success story that is the Australian project took on a more menacing and nefarious hostility.
When tracking this evolution through News Corp narratives and social media algorithms, it’s also prudent to ask how progressive discourse might have, at the very least, hastened this radicalisation. If we are to critically examine the more toxic elements of progressive politics over the past 20 years, it is the proclivity towards puritanism that must bear some responsibility for our societal polarisation. These are the doctrines that denounced anyone who failed to align with the values of progressive orthodoxy as not just wrong, but fundamentally immoral.
In fairness, the race riots of Cronulla in 2005 no doubt fermented the correlation between our national flag and violence in the minds of many, but the extent to which this was extrapolated and fermented to condemn any Australian who found joy in their national identity created an atmosphere akin to a cultural revolution, possessed by a perceived moral urgency.
This manifested itself most prominently in the Australia Day debate. Not because the “change the date” campaign was wrong in their objectives, but because the campaign made little attempt to change the minds of those who enjoyed the national holiday for entirely innocent reasons, and instead focused on the moral condemnation of those who failed to appreciate the way their joy was experienced by others. It has been, in many ways, Australia’s “basket of deplorables” moment.
Of course, this was not the only example of moral absolutism that has defined the last two decades. If anyone did not agree that Australia was racist, they themselves were cast as racist. If anyone raised concerns about the the propagation of Islamic fundamentalism, they were Islamaphobic. If anyone did not accept that gender identity was changeable, they were transphobic.
Gradually, many on the Left felt sufficiently empowered that they believed they were no longer compelled to explain the virtues of their position, and instead argued as though the righteousness of their position was a moral fact.
What we are witnessing across the MAGA’sphere and its proxies is the embrace of moral condemnation; a collective bravery to defy what they perceive to be cultural norms imposed by a social elite concerned more with ideological virtue signalling than practical outcomes.By demanding the moral orthodoxy of the Left be embraced in its totality to be tolerated at all, the moral absolutists created terms of compliance which were, essentially, “all or nothing”. Once the political power of the left waned, the latter option became increasingly viable.
It is within this environment that genuine moral depravity can proliferate unchecked, given free reign in an ecosystem that has deliberately absolved itself of the ethical guidelines that had defined how we think, speak, and act, in public and in private for decades. Once established and normalised, this new ecosystem celebrated the defiance of left-wing moral outrage, and no one could trigger this outrage like Donald Trump, or in Australia, Pauline Hanson.
This is the fertile ground in which the truly sinister political aspirants can emerge within a rising tide of moral outcasts, insisting that even the most objectively degenerate beliefs were yet another example of common sense maligned by left-wing elites.
But while Australian flags at barbecues on Australia Day caused me no alarm, the sight of the same flags at rallies and protests are, in my eyes, evidence of their usurpation by a social movement which seeks to take ownership of the symbol; a proclamation of a political allegiance which assigns our national flag to their specific idea of Australia. This is a claim that many on the Left helped reinforce.
My objective here is not to castigate those who, in almost every instance, were seeking to create a more inclusive and empathetic society. But I am hopeful that if we can achieve the necessary self-awareness to acknowledge how good intentions might have helped create this problem, it could offer us clues to the solution.
The political left has squandered its era of political power through over reach and inflexibility. It’s opportunity to return to power lies in the fact the political right seems committed to making the exact same mistakes. If these seemingly unstoppable populist movements are to be sidelined, the political centre must present itself more loudly as a viable option, one more forgiving of moral disagreements that need not decide elections.
It’s often said that it’s lonely place to be a centrist, but there are no shortages of those looking for an off ramp inbetween the escalating political fringes. What’s needed is louder voices, assuring them that they aren’t alone after all.
Fair comment. I think that is part, but not all of it. There is also some anti-intellectualism mixed in there too. (And maybe some other stuff as well.)
Didn’t seem fair to me.
Seems rather an attempt to blame “the left” for the goings on of “the right”.
centrism: when politics is team sports so the preferences between a better future and a worse future are virtually 50-50 by percentage
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
Carrick Ryanabout an hour ago
At some point in the last 20 years, national pride became a truly divisive political issue, and it’s worth examining why… because as simple as it might be to blame this all on the rise of the far right, there’s far more to this story.
I’ve made my position clear a few times now that I find the notion of “national pride” a bit silly, just as I find the notion of collective national shame for historical crimes overwhelmingly illogical.
I have raised my concerns about how national pride becomes dangerous when it is weaponised by nationalists with more sinister objectives. But I also think that it is, for the most part, fairly harmless when left unexploited by political operatives.
We all have an inherent desire to belong to a collective, and to share in each other’s achievements. It’s why I wear the jerseys of my favourite sporting team and cheer “our” victories, as though my supportive screams from my living room somehow contributed to the outcome.
But at some point, this otherwise harmless joy from being part of the unparalleled success story that is the Australian project took on a more menacing and nefarious hostility.
When tracking this evolution through News Corp narratives and social media algorithms, it’s also prudent to ask how progressive discourse might have, at the very least, hastened this radicalisation. If we are to critically examine the more toxic elements of progressive politics over the past 20 years, it is the proclivity towards puritanism that must bear some responsibility for our societal polarisation. These are the doctrines that denounced anyone who failed to align with the values of progressive orthodoxy as not just wrong, but fundamentally immoral.
In fairness, the race riots of Cronulla in 2005 no doubt fermented the correlation between our national flag and violence in the minds of many, but the extent to which this was extrapolated and fermented to condemn any Australian who found joy in their national identity created an atmosphere akin to a cultural revolution, possessed by a perceived moral urgency.
This manifested itself most prominently in the Australia Day debate. Not because the “change the date” campaign was wrong in their objectives, but because the campaign made little attempt to change the minds of those who enjoyed the national holiday for entirely innocent reasons, and instead focused on the moral condemnation of those who failed to appreciate the way their joy was experienced by others. It has been, in many ways, Australia’s “basket of deplorables” moment.
Of course, this was not the only example of moral absolutism that has defined the last two decades. If anyone did not agree that Australia was racist, they themselves were cast as racist. If anyone raised concerns about the the propagation of Islamic fundamentalism, they were Islamaphobic. If anyone did not accept that gender identity was changeable, they were transphobic.
Gradually, many on the Left felt sufficiently empowered that they believed they were no longer compelled to explain the virtues of their position, and instead argued as though the righteousness of their position was a moral fact.
What we are witnessing across the MAGA’sphere and its proxies is the embrace of moral condemnation; a collective bravery to defy what they perceive to be cultural norms imposed by a social elite concerned more with ideological virtue signalling than practical outcomes.By demanding the moral orthodoxy of the Left be embraced in its totality to be tolerated at all, the moral absolutists created terms of compliance which were, essentially, “all or nothing”. Once the political power of the left waned, the latter option became increasingly viable.
It is within this environment that genuine moral depravity can proliferate unchecked, given free reign in an ecosystem that has deliberately absolved itself of the ethical guidelines that had defined how we think, speak, and act, in public and in private for decades. Once established and normalised, this new ecosystem celebrated the defiance of left-wing moral outrage, and no one could trigger this outrage like Donald Trump, or in Australia, Pauline Hanson.
This is the fertile ground in which the truly sinister political aspirants can emerge within a rising tide of moral outcasts, insisting that even the most objectively degenerate beliefs were yet another example of common sense maligned by left-wing elites.
But while Australian flags at barbecues on Australia Day caused me no alarm, the sight of the same flags at rallies and protests are, in my eyes, evidence of their usurpation by a social movement which seeks to take ownership of the symbol; a proclamation of a political allegiance which assigns our national flag to their specific idea of Australia. This is a claim that many on the Left helped reinforce.
My objective here is not to castigate those who, in almost every instance, were seeking to create a more inclusive and empathetic society. But I am hopeful that if we can achieve the necessary self-awareness to acknowledge how good intentions might have helped create this problem, it could offer us clues to the solution.
The political left has squandered its era of political power through over reach and inflexibility. It’s opportunity to return to power lies in the fact the political right seems committed to making the exact same mistakes. If these seemingly unstoppable populist movements are to be sidelined, the political centre must present itself more loudly as a viable option, one more forgiving of moral disagreements that need not decide elections.
It’s often said that it’s lonely place to be a centrist, but there are no shortages of those looking for an off ramp inbetween the escalating political fringes. What’s needed is louder voices, assuring them that they aren’t alone after all.
Fair comment. I think that is part, but not all of it. There is also some anti-intellectualism mixed in there too. (And maybe some other stuff as well.)
Didn’t seem fair to me.
Seems rather an attempt to blame “the left” for the goings on of “the right”.
Which is the standard fare.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
Carrick Ryanabout an hour ago
At some point in the last 20 years, national pride became a truly divisive political issue, and it’s worth examining why… because as simple as it might be to blame this all on the rise of the far right, there’s far more to this story.
I’ve made my position clear a few times now that I find the notion of “national pride” a bit silly, just as I find the notion of collective national shame for historical crimes overwhelmingly illogical.
I have raised my concerns about how national pride becomes dangerous when it is weaponised by nationalists with more sinister objectives. But I also think that it is, for the most part, fairly harmless when left unexploited by political operatives.
We all have an inherent desire to belong to a collective, and to share in each other’s achievements. It’s why I wear the jerseys of my favourite sporting team and cheer “our” victories, as though my supportive screams from my living room somehow contributed to the outcome.
But at some point, this otherwise harmless joy from being part of the unparalleled success story that is the Australian project took on a more menacing and nefarious hostility.
When tracking this evolution through News Corp narratives and social media algorithms, it’s also prudent to ask how progressive discourse might have, at the very least, hastened this radicalisation. If we are to critically examine the more toxic elements of progressive politics over the past 20 years, it is the proclivity towards puritanism that must bear some responsibility for our societal polarisation. These are the doctrines that denounced anyone who failed to align with the values of progressive orthodoxy as not just wrong, but fundamentally immoral.
In fairness, the race riots of Cronulla in 2005 no doubt fermented the correlation between our national flag and violence in the minds of many, but the extent to which this was extrapolated and fermented to condemn any Australian who found joy in their national identity created an atmosphere akin to a cultural revolution, possessed by a perceived moral urgency.
This manifested itself most prominently in the Australia Day debate. Not because the “change the date” campaign was wrong in their objectives, but because the campaign made little attempt to change the minds of those who enjoyed the national holiday for entirely innocent reasons, and instead focused on the moral condemnation of those who failed to appreciate the way their joy was experienced by others. It has been, in many ways, Australia’s “basket of deplorables” moment.
Of course, this was not the only example of moral absolutism that has defined the last two decades. If anyone did not agree that Australia was racist, they themselves were cast as racist. If anyone raised concerns about the the propagation of Islamic fundamentalism, they were Islamaphobic. If anyone did not accept that gender identity was changeable, they were transphobic.
Gradually, many on the Left felt sufficiently empowered that they believed they were no longer compelled to explain the virtues of their position, and instead argued as though the righteousness of their position was a moral fact.
What we are witnessing across the MAGA’sphere and its proxies is the embrace of moral condemnation; a collective bravery to defy what they perceive to be cultural norms imposed by a social elite concerned more with ideological virtue signalling than practical outcomes.By demanding the moral orthodoxy of the Left be embraced in its totality to be tolerated at all, the moral absolutists created terms of compliance which were, essentially, “all or nothing”. Once the political power of the left waned, the latter option became increasingly viable.
It is within this environment that genuine moral depravity can proliferate unchecked, given free reign in an ecosystem that has deliberately absolved itself of the ethical guidelines that had defined how we think, speak, and act, in public and in private for decades. Once established and normalised, this new ecosystem celebrated the defiance of left-wing moral outrage, and no one could trigger this outrage like Donald Trump, or in Australia, Pauline Hanson.
This is the fertile ground in which the truly sinister political aspirants can emerge within a rising tide of moral outcasts, insisting that even the most objectively degenerate beliefs were yet another example of common sense maligned by left-wing elites.
But while Australian flags at barbecues on Australia Day caused me no alarm, the sight of the same flags at rallies and protests are, in my eyes, evidence of their usurpation by a social movement which seeks to take ownership of the symbol; a proclamation of a political allegiance which assigns our national flag to their specific idea of Australia. This is a claim that many on the Left helped reinforce.
My objective here is not to castigate those who, in almost every instance, were seeking to create a more inclusive and empathetic society. But I am hopeful that if we can achieve the necessary self-awareness to acknowledge how good intentions might have helped create this problem, it could offer us clues to the solution.
The political left has squandered its era of political power through over reach and inflexibility. It’s opportunity to return to power lies in the fact the political right seems committed to making the exact same mistakes. If these seemingly unstoppable populist movements are to be sidelined, the political centre must present itself more loudly as a viable option, one more forgiving of moral disagreements that need not decide elections.
It’s often said that it’s lonely place to be a centrist, but there are no shortages of those looking for an off ramp inbetween the escalating political fringes. What’s needed is louder voices, assuring them that they aren’t alone after all.
Fair comment. I think that is part, but not all of it. There is also some anti-intellectualism mixed in there too. (And maybe some other stuff as well.)
Didn’t seem fair to me.
Seems rather an attempt to blame “the left” for the goings on of “the right”.
I didn’t see any blame being spread around. The discussion seemed to be around possible cause and effect.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
Carrick Ryanabout an hour ago
At some point in the last 20 years, national pride became a truly divisive political issue, and it’s worth examining why… because as simple as it might be to blame this all on the rise of the far right, there’s far more to this story.
I’ve made my position clear a few times now that I find the notion of “national pride” a bit silly, just as I find the notion of collective national shame for historical crimes overwhelmingly illogical.
I have raised my concerns about how national pride becomes dangerous when it is weaponised by nationalists with more sinister objectives. But I also think that it is, for the most part, fairly harmless when left unexploited by political operatives.
We all have an inherent desire to belong to a collective, and to share in each other’s achievements. It’s why I wear the jerseys of my favourite sporting team and cheer “our” victories, as though my supportive screams from my living room somehow contributed to the outcome.
But at some point, this otherwise harmless joy from being part of the unparalleled success story that is the Australian project took on a more menacing and nefarious hostility.
When tracking this evolution through News Corp narratives and social media algorithms, it’s also prudent to ask how progressive discourse might have, at the very least, hastened this radicalisation. If we are to critically examine the more toxic elements of progressive politics over the past 20 years, it is the proclivity towards puritanism that must bear some responsibility for our societal polarisation. These are the doctrines that denounced anyone who failed to align with the values of progressive orthodoxy as not just wrong, but fundamentally immoral.
In fairness, the race riots of Cronulla in 2005 no doubt fermented the correlation between our national flag and violence in the minds of many, but the extent to which this was extrapolated and fermented to condemn any Australian who found joy in their national identity created an atmosphere akin to a cultural revolution, possessed by a perceived moral urgency.
This manifested itself most prominently in the Australia Day debate. Not because the “change the date” campaign was wrong in their objectives, but because the campaign made little attempt to change the minds of those who enjoyed the national holiday for entirely innocent reasons, and instead focused on the moral condemnation of those who failed to appreciate the way their joy was experienced by others. It has been, in many ways, Australia’s “basket of deplorables” moment.
Of course, this was not the only example of moral absolutism that has defined the last two decades. If anyone did not agree that Australia was racist, they themselves were cast as racist. If anyone raised concerns about the the propagation of Islamic fundamentalism, they were Islamaphobic. If anyone did not accept that gender identity was changeable, they were transphobic.
Gradually, many on the Left felt sufficiently empowered that they believed they were no longer compelled to explain the virtues of their position, and instead argued as though the righteousness of their position was a moral fact.
What we are witnessing across the MAGA’sphere and its proxies is the embrace of moral condemnation; a collective bravery to defy what they perceive to be cultural norms imposed by a social elite concerned more with ideological virtue signalling than practical outcomes.By demanding the moral orthodoxy of the Left be embraced in its totality to be tolerated at all, the moral absolutists created terms of compliance which were, essentially, “all or nothing”. Once the political power of the left waned, the latter option became increasingly viable.
It is within this environment that genuine moral depravity can proliferate unchecked, given free reign in an ecosystem that has deliberately absolved itself of the ethical guidelines that had defined how we think, speak, and act, in public and in private for decades. Once established and normalised, this new ecosystem celebrated the defiance of left-wing moral outrage, and no one could trigger this outrage like Donald Trump, or in Australia, Pauline Hanson.
This is the fertile ground in which the truly sinister political aspirants can emerge within a rising tide of moral outcasts, insisting that even the most objectively degenerate beliefs were yet another example of common sense maligned by left-wing elites.
But while Australian flags at barbecues on Australia Day caused me no alarm, the sight of the same flags at rallies and protests are, in my eyes, evidence of their usurpation by a social movement which seeks to take ownership of the symbol; a proclamation of a political allegiance which assigns our national flag to their specific idea of Australia. This is a claim that many on the Left helped reinforce.
My objective here is not to castigate those who, in almost every instance, were seeking to create a more inclusive and empathetic society. But I am hopeful that if we can achieve the necessary self-awareness to acknowledge how good intentions might have helped create this problem, it could offer us clues to the solution.
The political left has squandered its era of political power through over reach and inflexibility. It’s opportunity to return to power lies in the fact the political right seems committed to making the exact same mistakes. If these seemingly unstoppable populist movements are to be sidelined, the political centre must present itself more loudly as a viable option, one more forgiving of moral disagreements that need not decide elections.
It’s often said that it’s lonely place to be a centrist, but there are no shortages of those looking for an off ramp inbetween the escalating political fringes. What’s needed is louder voices, assuring them that they aren’t alone after all.
Fair comment. I think that is part, but not all of it. There is also some anti-intellectualism mixed in there too. (And maybe some other stuff as well.)
Didn’t seem fair to me.
Seems rather an attempt to blame “the left” for the goings on of “the right”.
I think it’s mostly bullsh. National pride is not worth much if you’re not committed to making the country better.
Pauline is shitting on people’s mothers now:
Anthony Albanese hits back at Pauline Hanson over ‘attack’ on mother amid calls for apology
Bubblecar said:
Pauline is shitting on people’s mothers now:Anthony Albanese hits back at Pauline Hanson over ‘attack’ on mother amid calls for apology
I was listening to that interview with Albo when I was coming home from the bush.
https://youtu.be/nJGdrf1-NJ4?si=cG4T8Ra3y7LVih_w
Constitutional Clarion
Are grants rorts unconstitutional?
fascists improving the quality of political discourse simply by existing
Do not go after Pauline Hanson personally. Not because these parties don’t want to. They do. But after hours of focus groups, one finding is remarkably consistent: a significant group of voters see Hanson as the victim of a political pile-on. For her supporters, any attack on her risks reinforcing that perception — particularly because Hanson has positioned herself as the outsider exposing Canberra’s cosy political club. So the strategy has been simple — demolish the argument, not the woman.
SCIENCE said:
fascists improving the quality of political discourse simply by existing
Do not go after Pauline Hanson personally. Not because these parties don’t want to. They do. But after hours of focus groups, one finding is remarkably consistent: a significant group of voters see Hanson as the victim of a political pile-on. For her supporters, any attack on her risks reinforcing that perception — particularly because Hanson has positioned herself as the outsider exposing Canberra’s cosy political club. So the strategy has been simple — demolish the argument, not the woman.
Trumpism. Until she aopted that pose, she was ridiculed.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:fascists improving the quality of political discourse simply by existing
Do not go after Pauline Hanson personally. Not because these parties don’t want to. They do. But after hours of focus groups, one finding is remarkably consistent: a significant group of voters see Hanson as the victim of a political pile-on. For her supporters, any attack on her risks reinforcing that perception — particularly because Hanson has positioned herself as the outsider exposing Canberra’s cosy political club. So the strategy has been simple — demolish the argument, not the woman.
Trumpism. Until she aopted that pose, she was ridiculed.
She’s part of that club.
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:fascists improving the quality of political discourse simply by existing
Do not go after Pauline Hanson personally. Not because these parties don’t want to. They do. But after hours of focus groups, one finding is remarkably consistent: a significant group of voters see Hanson as the victim of a political pile-on. For her supporters, any attack on her risks reinforcing that perception — particularly because Hanson has positioned herself as the outsider exposing Canberra’s cosy political club. So the strategy has been simple — demolish the argument, not the woman.
Trumpism. Until she aopted that pose, she was ridiculed.
She’s part of that club.
^
but regardless her arguments should always be ridiculed
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:Trumpism. Until she aopted that pose, she was ridiculed.
She’s part of that club.
^
but regardless her arguments should always be ridiculed
Yes. Usually because they are ridicuous arguments.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
She’s part of that club.
^
but regardless her arguments should always be ridiculed
Yes. Usually because they are ridicuous arguments.
so play the ball not the ballsack should have been the rule for political discourse all along
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
^
but regardless her arguments should always be ridiculed
Yes. Usually because they are ridicuous arguments.
so play the ball not the ballsack should have been the rule for political discourse all along
Yes.
The SMH tells me that people are losing trust in Albo because of the economy.
Pauline will fix that as soon as she gets in.
The SMH tells me that people are losing trust in Albo because of the economy.
Pauline will fix that as soon as she gets in.
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:Trumpism. Until she aopted that pose, she was ridiculed.
She’s part of that club.
^
but regardless her arguments should always be ridiculed
Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The SMH tells me that people are losing trust in Albo because of the economy.Pauline will fix that as soon as she gets in.
Albo is actually doing his best to keep the economy from becoming worse.
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:She’s part of that club.
^
but regardless her arguments should always be ridiculed
Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Many of her voters are Trumpists too.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The SMH tells me that people are losing trust in Albo because of the economy.Pauline will fix that as soon as she gets in.
Rupert Murdoch wants to get rid of him.
roughbarked said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:^
but regardless her arguments should always be ridiculed
Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Many of her voters are Trumpists too.
Sadly true. At the boat ramp I met two Australian Trumpists. It is very disturbing.
Not adequately funding your education system has serious consequences.
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The SMH tells me that people are losing trust in Albo because of the economy.Pauline will fix that as soon as she gets in.
Rupert Murdoch wants to get rid of him.
I doubt that Rupert & Sons have much influence at the SMH, but I could be wrong I suppose.
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:She’s part of that club.
^
but regardless her arguments should always be ridiculed
Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Hopefully her and Gina’s have attacked the wrong person in Hastie and she’ll lose some support of those who are merely toying with ON as a protest vote.
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The SMH tells me that people are losing trust in Albo because of the economy.Pauline will fix that as soon as she gets in.
Rupert Murdoch wants to get rid of him.
Where’s the money in that?
/tic
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The SMH tells me that people are losing trust in Albo because of the economy.Pauline will fix that as soon as she gets in.
Rupert Murdoch wants to get rid of him.
I doubt that Rupert & Sons have much influence at the SMH, but I could be wrong I suppose.
Trouble is, The Pauline/Barbnaby voters probably only watch Sky News.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:^
but regardless her arguments should always be ridiculed
Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Hopefully her and Gina’s have attacked the wrong person in Hastie and she’ll lose some support of those who are merely toying with ON as a protest vote.
We can live in hope, if we want.
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:
ms spock said:Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Many of her voters are Trumpists too.
Sadly true. At the boat ramp I met two Australian Trumpists. It is very disturbing.
Not adequately funding your education system has serious consequences.
Dumbs down the population and we can use Trump election results 77,302,580 as an indicator of that dumbness.
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:
ms spock said:Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Many of her voters are Trumpists too.
Sadly true. At the boat ramp I met two Australian Trumpists. It is very disturbing.
Not adequately funding your education system has serious consequences.
A quote from the AFL trolling but apt for all the BS that is coming to the fore in so called “Australian Values”. “Unfortunately, this disgusting and disturbing behaviour is becoming more common.”
Tau.Neutrino said:
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:Many of her voters are Trumpists too.
Sadly true. At the boat ramp I met two Australian Trumpists. It is very disturbing.
Not adequately funding your education system has serious consequences.
Dumbs down the population and we can use Trump election results 77,302,580 as an indicator of that dumbness.
While Pauline and conservatives want to ban the ABC, my contention is that it is the commercial stations that are dumbing and stupefying the populace.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
ms spock said:Sadly true. At the boat ramp I met two Australian Trumpists. It is very disturbing.
Not adequately funding your education system has serious consequences.
Dumbs down the population and we can use Trump election results 77,302,580 as an indicator of that dumbness.
While Pauline and conservatives want to ban the ABC, my contention is that it is the commercial stations that are dumbing and stupefying the populace.
Agree, commercial tv spoon feeds trash.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:^
but regardless her arguments should always be ridiculed
Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Hopefully her and Gina’s have attacked the wrong person in Hastie and she’ll lose some support of those who are merely toying with ON as a protest vote.
I think that there’s an anti-intellectual component to PHON’s stuff as well, which means that intellectual arguments do not necessarily win.
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Hopefully her and Gina’s have attacked the wrong person in Hastie and she’ll lose some support of those who are merely toying with ON as a protest vote.
I think that there’s an anti-intellectual component to PHON’s stuff as well, which means that intellectual arguments do not necessarily win.
Yeah. Most definitely.
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Hopefully her and Gina’s have attacked the wrong person in Hastie and she’ll lose some support of those who are merely toying with ON as a protest vote.
I think that there’s an anti-intellectual component to PHON’s stuff as well, which means that intellectual arguments do not necessarily win.
They don’t want to admit that or they’ll look like fools. So that is never going to rear it’s intellectual head.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The SMH tells me that people are losing trust in Albo because of the economy.Pauline will fix that as soon as she gets in.
Rupert Murdoch wants to get rid of him.
I doubt that Rupert & Sons have much influence at the SMH, but I could be wrong I suppose.
Sorry my bad. I am a bit discombulated this morning.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:^
but regardless her arguments should always be ridiculed
Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Hopefully her and Gina’s have attacked the wrong person in Hastie and she’ll lose some support of those who are merely toying with ON as a protest vote.
God I hope so. I really do.
She’s dangerous.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The SMH tells me that people are losing trust in Albo because of the economy.Pauline will fix that as soon as she gets in.
Rupert Murdoch wants to get rid of him.
Where’s the money in that?
/tic
🙄
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:Rupert Murdoch wants to get rid of him.
I doubt that Rupert & Sons have much influence at the SMH, but I could be wrong I suppose.
Trouble is, The Pauline/Barbnaby voters probably only watch Sky News.
That is a tremendous and serious problem. A lot of folks only read the click bait titles.
ms spock said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:Rupert Murdoch wants to get rid of him.
Where’s the money in that?
/tic
🙄
I’m not quite sure what can be done about our economy.
Billions could be thrown at it and we are still swallowed by the actions of other more powerful economies
Too much credit to government to make meaningful change
Tau.Neutrino said:
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:Many of her voters are Trumpists too.
Sadly true. At the boat ramp I met two Australian Trumpists. It is very disturbing.
Not adequately funding your education system has serious consequences.
Dumbs down the population and we can use Trump election results 77,302,580 as an indicator of that dumbness.
Prof David Cay Johnson discusses this. That 65% are reading and writing at a 5th Grade level. 1 in 3 of these are reading and writing at an 8 year old level. It’s really sad.
ms spock said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Hopefully her and Gina’s have attacked the wrong person in Hastie and she’ll lose some support of those who are merely toying with ON as a protest vote.
God I hope so. I really do.
She’s dangerous.
ms spock said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:Rupert Murdoch wants to get rid of him.
Where’s the money in that?
/tic
🙄
My point being that money was, is and ever will be Rupert’s only motivation.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Dumbs down the population and we can use Trump election results 77,302,580 as an indicator of that dumbness.
While Pauline and conservatives want to ban the ABC, my contention is that it is the commercial stations that are dumbing and stupefying the populace.
Agree, commercial tv spoon feeds trash.
Like the algorithms the ads hack into people’s brains. There’s a great four part series called The Century of the Self, about how manipulative it all is. .
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:Wouldn’t unpacking and brating like a drum that she’s part of the club be more useful? It would be undermining that she’s an outsider. That’s how she’s hooking folks in.
(Yes her arguments are ridiculous). But you are not her target audience. So ridiculing her actually gets her more support because those without critical literacy skills are identifying with her. She is harnessing folks are fear.
Hopefully her and Gina’s have attacked the wrong person in Hastie and she’ll lose some support of those who are merely toying with ON as a protest vote.
I think that there’s an anti-intellectual component to PHON’s stuff as well, which means that intellectual arguments do not necessarily win.
That’s been very cleverly done. I find this most concerning. It is a very important point.
Cymek said:
ms spock said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Where’s the money in that?
/tic
🙄
I’m not quite sure what can be done about our economy.
Billions could be thrown at it and we are still swallowed by the actions of other more powerful economies
Too much credit to government to make meaningful change
maybe if it were aligned with a powerhouse economy then it could derive benefit from that
ms spock said:
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Hopefully her and Gina’s have attacked the wrong person in Hastie and she’ll lose some support of those who are merely toying with ON as a protest vote.
I think that there’s an anti-intellectual component to PHON’s stuff as well, which means that intellectual arguments do not necessarily win.
That’s been very cleverly done. I find this most concerning. It is a very important point.
It is pure Trumpism, It is how he operates and how his supporters take on his denial of facts. They’ll keep supporrting him because they fear the truth.
One Nation has stuck by its promise to pause migration from countries the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade rates as “do not travel” because of “terrorism or other extreme security risks”.
Call for better migration policy
An expert argues the migration debate is fixated on the wrong number while regional Australia calls for a national settlement strategy.
The party has previously promised to refuse entry to migrants from nations “known to foster extremist ideologies” that are “incompatible with Australian values and way of life”.
Senator Hanson said she also wanted to stop taxpayer-funded legal aid for visa appeals.
One Nation also has a policy to introduce an eight-year waiting period for citizenship and welfare, and promised to withdraw Australia from the UN Refugee Convention.
>? Increasingly, I see ‘Australian values’ as incorporating white nationalism.
roughbarked said:
One Nation has stuck by its promise to pause migration from countries the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade rates as “do not travel” because of “terrorism or other extreme security risks”.
Call for better migration policyAn expert argues the migration debate is fixated on the wrong number while regional Australia calls for a national settlement strategy.
The party has previously promised to refuse entry to migrants from nations “known to foster extremist ideologies” that are “incompatible with Australian values and way of life”.
Senator Hanson said she also wanted to stop taxpayer-funded legal aid for visa appeals.
One Nation also has a policy to introduce an eight-year waiting period for citizenship and welfare, and promised to withdraw Australia from the UN Refugee Convention.
>? Increasingly, I see ‘Australian values’ as incorporating white nationalism.
so just a return to the 1930s then, good, make Australia great again
roughbarked said:
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:Many of her voters are Trumpists too.
Sadly true. At the boat ramp I met two Australian Trumpists. It is very disturbing.
Not adequately funding your education system has serious consequences.
A quote from the AFL trolling but apt for all the BS that is coming to the fore in so called “Australian Values”. “Unfortunately, this disgusting and disturbing behaviour is becoming more common.”
It is most disturbing.
Islamophobia has a lot of women no longer going shopping.
Cymek said:
ms spock said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Where’s the money in that?
/tic
🙄
I’m not quite sure what can be done about our economy.
Billions could be thrown at it and we are still swallowed by the actions of other more powerful economies
Too much credit to government to make meaningful change
(((nods)))
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Where’s the money in that?
/tic
🙄
My point being that money was, is and ever will be Rupert’s only motivation.
, 💯
roughbarked said:
ms spock said:
Michael V said:I think that there’s an anti-intellectual component to PHON’s stuff as well, which means that intellectual arguments do not necessarily win.
That’s been very cleverly done. I find this most concerning. It is a very important point.
It is pure Trumpism, It is how he operates and how his supporters take on his denial of facts. They’ll keep supporrting him because they fear the truth.
Alice Miller wrote about how the Germans were so disconnected from themselves and others that it was easy to manipulate them to manipulate them.
roughbarked said:
One Nation has stuck by its promise to pause migration from countries the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade rates as “do not travel” because of “terrorism or other extreme security risks”.
Call for better migration policyAn expert argues the migration debate is fixated on the wrong number while regional Australia calls for a national settlement strategy.
The party has previously promised to refuse entry to migrants from nations “known to foster extremist ideologies” that are “incompatible with Australian values and way of life”.
Senator Hanson said she also wanted to stop taxpayer-funded legal aid for visa appeals.
One Nation also has a policy to introduce an eight-year waiting period for citizenship and welfare, and promised to withdraw Australia from the UN Refugee Convention.
>? Increasingly, I see ‘Australian values’ as incorporating white nationalism.
🤔 It is concerning.
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:
One Nation has stuck by its promise to pause migration from countries the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade rates as “do not travel” because of “terrorism or other extreme security risks”.
Call for better migration policyAn expert argues the migration debate is fixated on the wrong number while regional Australia calls for a national settlement strategy.
The party has previously promised to refuse entry to migrants from nations “known to foster extremist ideologies” that are “incompatible with Australian values and way of life”.
Senator Hanson said she also wanted to stop taxpayer-funded legal aid for visa appeals.
One Nation also has a policy to introduce an eight-year waiting period for citizenship and welfare, and promised to withdraw Australia from the UN Refugee Convention.
>? Increasingly, I see ‘Australian values’ as incorporating white nationalism.
🤔 It is concerning.
Extremism? It will be sad to say no to all the refugees fleeing the grand old U S of A.
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:
ms spock said:That’s been very cleverly done. I find this most concerning. It is a very important point.
It is pure Trumpism, It is how he operates and how his supporters take on his denial of facts. They’ll keep supporrting him because they fear the truth.
Alice Miller wrote about how the Germans were so disconnected from themselves and others that it was easy to manipulate them.
She wrote how a particular type of German parenting made them disconnected from themselves and others so that it was easy to manipulate them.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:
One Nation has stuck by its promise to pause migration from countries the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade rates as “do not travel” because of “terrorism or other extreme security risks”.
Call for better migration policyAn expert argues the migration debate is fixated on the wrong number while regional Australia calls for a national settlement strategy.
The party has previously promised to refuse entry to migrants from nations “known to foster extremist ideologies” that are “incompatible with Australian values and way of life”.
Senator Hanson said she also wanted to stop taxpayer-funded legal aid for visa appeals.
One Nation also has a policy to introduce an eight-year waiting period for citizenship and welfare, and promised to withdraw Australia from the UN Refugee Convention.
>? Increasingly, I see ‘Australian values’ as incorporating white nationalism.
🤔 It is concerning.
Extremism? It will be sad to say no to all the refugees fleeing the grand old U S of A.
White Americans will be accepted.
ms spock said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:
🤔 It is concerning.
Extremism? It will be sad to say no to all the refugees fleeing the grand old U S of A.
White Americans will be accepted.
accepted
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welcomed with open arms and showered with sweets and flowers
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Extremism? It will be sad to say no to all the refugees fleeing the grand old U S of A.
White Americans will be accepted.
accepted
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welcomed with open arms and showered with sweets and flowers
Possibly
Why Rinehart is pushing to make Hastie an outcast, and backing Hanson to bring him down
The inside story of billionaire Gina Rinehart’s role in the feud between Andrew Hastie and Pauline Hanson.
Rob Harris and Paul Sakkal
September 11, 2026
Henry Pike arrived at Gina Rinehart’s beachfront mansion near Noosa expecting a relaxed chat over a New Year’s lunch. Instead, the young, socially conservative Queensland Liberal found himself being asked to pick a side.
The billionaire mining magnate, who had previously thrown the odd bit of financial support behind Pike, wanted him to distance himself from his friend and fellow right-winger Andrew Hastie and move closer to Pauline Hanson’s One Nation.
The word “traitor” was used repeatedly by Rinehart throughout, according to several sources who received a briefing about the January 9 meeting. It is a word – referencing Hastie’s role in exposing war crimes allegations against Ben Roberts-Smith – which could now define the new war for ascendancy on the right of Australian politics.
Pike was polite, friends say, but adamant he would not betray Hastie in favour of Rinehart’s sponsorship. The financial rewards on offer were clear by the surroundings: Rinehart’s $34 million Webb House, which sits on 2000 square metres, touches the sand at the exclusive Sunshine Beach.
But what the MP for the nearby seat of Bowman saw next was proof of a nexus between Rinehart and the surging populist party that now echoes Rinehart’s “traitor” line in its wildly popular satirical Please Explain cartoons.
Emerging from the bedrooms of the sprawling mansion in peak summer, were Hanson, Barnaby Joyce and One Nation strategist James Ashby. A camera for breakfast TV crosses was set up nearby for Joyce as he and his new colleagues held a summer get-together at Rinehart’s holiday home.
Hastie’s bid to strike back against this network escalated dramatically this week, when he took aim at Hanson and Joyce for the cartoon, published on social media in July, attacking him as a “traitor” and “gutless maggot” over his evidence against decorated former soldier Roberts-Smith. The episode, called Don’t be Hastie, has had more than 145,000 views on YouTube and more still across platforms.
An SAS veteran who served three tours in the Middle East, including two in Afghanistan, Hastie was among the 21 veterans compelled to testify in the 2022 Federal Court defamation trial brought by Roberts-Smith. The Victoria Cross recipient had accused Nine newspapers of defaming him in reports that he had committed murder during deployments to Afghanistan.
In April this year, Roberts-Smith was arrested and charged with five counts of war crimes of murder. He vehemently denies the allegations.
In an email to supporters on Tuesday, Hastie took his fight with the right-wing populist party to another level, saying he provided evidence against Roberts-Smith because he was subpoenaed and believed in the rule of law.
“For that, I’ve been called a rat, a traitor, a dog c—-, and many other things,” he said in the email. “People I trusted have walked away from me or failed to defend me.”
Hastie then accused Hanson and Joyce of being “lying cowards” after they denied ever having used the term, and declared war on One Nation through the next election.
“I’m calling time on cowards who have never served a day in the Australian Defence Force attacking my service record, my integrity, and my loyalty to Australia,” he wrote.
The dramatic escalation in this feud follows One Nation’s victory in Secret Harbour last month – a state seat nested within Hastie’s West Australian electorate of Canning, where Liberal campaigners said some One Nation voters complained about Hastie’s position on Roberts-Smith. It is the latest flashpoint in a conservative battle reshaping the electoral map and threatening to all but wipe out the Liberal and National Parties at state and federal level as One Nation out-polls the Coalition and, sometimes, Labor.
Hastie declared Hanson “not fit to govern” the country and accused her of casting “a massive slur” on veterans around the country who also thought that Australian soldiers should hold high standards of conduct on the battlefield.
“It’s … not just an attack on me because you’ve got to remember more than 20-plus SAS combat veterans were called to give evidence in the Federal Court. Are they traitors too?” he asked in his newsletter.
Hastie has become a target for those who continue to champion Roberts-Smith since his dramatic arrest in April. The fierce criticism has extended beyond One Nation and into a conservative network of right-wing podcasters and influencers, circles where the advocacy of Rinehart and media mogul Kerry Stokes has considerable sway.
It has led to numerous threats against Hastie and his family, forcing him to dramatically upgrade his Australian Federal Police security detail.
But the hostility did not begin with the cartoon. For Hastie, it stretches back through the war crimes allegations and the conservative media ecosystem in his home state of Western Australia and his increasingly uneasy relationship with some of the wealthy figures who are shaping the new Australian right.
Hastie first met Rinehart at an event aboard The World cruise ship in Fremantle in 2017. Rinehart had a large private cabin with a grand piano, Bollinger and canapés. At dinner, she asked him if he knew Dagny Taggart, the heroine from Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged who fights against left-wing collectivism.
“That’s me,” Rinehart said.
Hastie, 43, later told friends that Rinehart’s views and apparent libertarian streak were rather different to his brand of conservatism. But the following year, they joined forces to open a swimming pool in his electorate.
But by mid-2022, not long after Hastie had testified in the Roberts-Smith defamation case, the relationship had soured.
Hastie had been invited by the American Chamber of Commerce to speak about AUKUS and had roped in Republican congressman Mike Gallagher and British politician Tom Tugendhat to join them. He later discovered the event was intended to be recorded for distribution to journalists selected by Rinehart. He objected and cancelled.
Sources familiar with the incident say “it pissed her off” and was taken personally.
A few weeks later, Hastie was on the long drive from his outer-suburban home to a city fundraiser for a fellow Liberal sponsored by Hancock Prospecting when a colleague called him.
“I’ve been told to scrub you, mate,” they said.
Hastie turned around and went home. He subsequently heard for the first time that people in Rinehart’s orbit now referred to him as “the enemy” or “the traitor”.
Rinehart trades on the fact she is a long-time supporter of veterans through charities such as Soldier On, the SAS Resources Fund and the Commando Welfare Trust. Her youngest daughter, Ginia, married ex-SAS soldier and Afghanistan veteran Simon Robinson in 2016.
A representative for Rinehart sent a statement, saying: “It is veterans and Mr Hastie’s own conservative social media followers who use that word (traitor) to describe him. In his evidence under oath, Mr Hastie made clear that he did not personally witness Ben Roberts-Smith performing various of the gossip claims, just heard the gossip from others.”
The political networks around Ben Roberts-Smith have become influential inside the Coalition too, around the shadow cabinet table and beyond.
At the last federal election some candidates previously on friendly terms with Rinehart’s network were told they’d receive no help if they posted images with Hastie on social media.
At a shadow cabinet meeting earlier this year in which Hastie was absent, a couple of members spoke in favour of Roberts-Smith. Michael McCormack and Phil Thompson’s relationships with Hastie have worsened, as has Alex Antic’s.
Hastie’s relationship with former prime minister Tony Abbott, once one of the central figures in his political world, and Abbott’s former chief of staff, broadcaster and columnist Peta Credlin, has also soured.
Both have supported Roberts-Smith publicly and are close to Rinehart. Hastie was a notable absentee from Abbott’s annual Pollie Pedal last month, a fundraising event for veterans.
When asked on ABC’s Radio National this week about his relationship with Abbott, following the former prime minister’s overt support of Roberts-Smith, Hastie was diplomatic but blunt.
“I’ve had long chats with Tony. I’ll let him explain his position, but he knows exactly where I stand on this issue,” he told Sally Sara. Abbott, now the federal party president, declined to comment.
Relationships with many colleagues have also changed amid internal divisions over One Nation’s overt campaigning for Roberts-Smith. Roberts-Smith’s mother Sue Roberts-Smith last year emailed Liberal MPs, warning them not to trust the man who testified against her son.
Those close to Hastie were also outraged in April that Michaelia Cash had allowed her adviser, Brett McCarthey, to write an opinion piece in the Stokes-owned West Australian newspaper supporting Roberts-Smith. Likewise, tensions were raised when defence personnel spokesman Phillip Thompson paraded a prominent critic of Hastie around Parliament House in June.
As angry comments fill their social media accounts, some in the shadow cabinet even raised the idea of somehow signalling support for Roberts-Smith, for fear of punishment among conservative electorates.
But for some Liberal moderates and much of the progressive media, Hastie has become a hero.
After a long period leading the campaign against “mass migration” (a term many Liberals refuse to use) in concert with his allies at conservative campaign group Advance, Hastie was scorned by his far-right online base during a debate on Labor’s post-Bondi hate groups laws.
The Coalition succeeded in watering down the bill to protect freedom of speech, but the parliamentary jostling over details did not register in the world of populist influencers. The fickle group, which previously cast Hastie as a conservative hero, then turned him into its top hate-figure.
“They’re like the Joker from Batman – they just want to see the world burn,” Hastie later told confidants.
But the depth of paranoia about this group among conservative MPs was displayed when Hastie and his friend, home affairs spokesman Jonno Duniam, phoned a right-wing podcaster the night before the Bondi laws were to be voted on. Sam Bamford, of the 2WorldsCollide podcast, was briefed on the Liberal decision to support Labor in banning neo-Nazi and Islamist groups.
Despite the explanation, Bamford, a figure now kept at a distance by most Liberals except Roberts-Smith supporters Alex Antic and Phil Thompson, continues to rail against Hastie and now backs One Nation.
The challenge of tackling One Nation has paralysed many within the Coalition. Nationals leader Matt Canavan has told colleagues that telling Hanson’s supporters she’s no good is like trying to convince your mate their girlfriend is bad for them while they’re still in love.
Canavan and others have been critical of Hanson at times, but they know it will be a long road until voters focus more on Hanson’s obvious flaws nearer to the election.
Hastie and his allies are still sour about the way Taylor’s forces manoeuvred to push his younger rival out of the race to replace Sussan Ley early this year.
Even if it was not the main goal, Hastie’s attacks this week have clearly set him apart from Taylor.
Ben Small, a federal MP from WA who is close to Hastie, said his military background was key to understanding how he had responded to the “despicable” One Nation campaign.
“It would have been easy to react emotionally … to take the bait and lash out. Such a response might have left him vulnerable, or for a weaker man, to quit,” Small said.
Small’s statement is an admission of just how vulnerable Hastie has been lately as he has deleted social media and taken on additional security to protect him against violent threats.
“But being a student of warfare, his instinct was to dig in, take cover on higher ground and prepare for the kill on his terms,” Small said.
But other Liberals say Hastie is more of a sniper than a day-to-day combatant who can thrive in the nimble business of modern politics. They point to his statements as recently as March for the Coalition to work closer with One Nation and believe he is mostly motivated from self-interest, not an ideological or principled position.
These critics say Hastie makes big declarations in media interviews or his newsletters before retreating without a clear political strategy. Hastie has avoided the late-night echo chambers of News24 (formerly Sky News) and the News Corp newspapers for months and instead worked more closely with the ABC and The Guardian. Liberal critic and former PM Malcolm Turnbull has lent Hastie support.
“People are either known for what they’ve done as a politician or what they’ve done before politics,” one high-level Liberal source said. “Peter Garrett is better known for what he did before politics. So is Andrew Hastie. He’s been in politics for 12 years now and nobody can point to anything he’s achieved.”
Hanson this week told the Stokes-owned Nightly she had “never called him a traitor” but would “call him a wanker”.
“He is now concerned about losing his seat – and of course, what happened in Secret Harbour is a clear indication of where people are casting their vote, in part of his seat,” she said.
“Hastie has taken it personally because I’m standing a candidate in his seat. He feels insulted by that, as if I shouldn’t run a candidate in Canning.”
Figures from multiple sides of politics are calling for Pauline Hanson to remove a video where Liberal MP Andrew Hastie is repeatedly called a “traitor”.
James Ashby, too, has been a fierce critic. Hastie revealed this week he was subjected to a threatening phone call in April from Hanson’s right-hand man, accusing him of running the Coalition’s attacks on Sean Black, a convicted rapist who was re-employed by the party. He says Ashby also threatened to further weaponise the Roberts-Smith issue.
Ashby declined to comment to this masthead, but One Nation sources denied threats were made and that Hanson’s long-time adviser had simply reminded Hastie that both parties needed to fight Labor.
But One Nation’s personal attacks risk exposing a fault line within its own party.
Barnaby Joyce attempted to bring down the heat on Thursday and was seen near the Senate chamber involved in animated discussions with Hanson.
“I don’t believe Mr Hastie is a traitor. That’s an absurdity, he’s not,” he told the ABC before apologising to Hastie in this masthead.
He told MPs that he did not know the traitor video existed, which had left him exposed in media interviews. Joyce has told friends he has felt uncomfortable for months about One Nation’s approach to the Roberts-Smith case while the case is before the courts.
Hastie, in turn, has told allies he sees a hairline fracture in the party he can use in his fight, showing Hanson to be a fringe voice on the issue. By the end of the week, the RSL, Labor, Coalition and influential commentators were all casting the One Nation leader as morally deficient.
If the party’s position doesn’t improve by mid-next year under Taylor, colleagues are wondering if Hastie’s supporters will push him towards a challenge. A book, due to be published next year, will be targeted at young Australians aged 18 to 25 who want to burn it all down. In it Hastie argues that’s a bad idea.
Asked about his future ambitions this week, Hastie said Taylor was “the right guy for the job right now”.
“We’ve got a big fight on our hands, but I’m confident he can lead us through this,” he said.
For now, Hastie insists the fight is not about his political future. But as the right tears itself apart, the battle over who gets to define loyalty may prove the battle that determines his path.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/traitor-the-inside-story-of-rinehart-s-role-in-the-hastie-hanson-feud-20260910-p60w56.html
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Trust the stupid cow Gina to be a moronic supporter of Ayn Rand.
I simply don’t understand the fetish obsession people have for B R-S. He isn’t the messiah, and allegedly has been a naughty boy.
Everyone just needs to back off and let the court do its work.
party_pants said:
I simply don’t understand the fetish obsession people have for B R-S. He isn’t the messiah, and allegedly has been a naughty boy.Everyone just needs to back off and let the court do its work.
Ask PWM. These are his people.
party_pants said:
I simply don’t understand the fetish obsession people have for B R-S. He isn’t the messiah, and allegedly has been a naughty boy.Everyone just needs to back off and let the court do its work.
Who?
kii said:
party_pants said:
I simply don’t understand the fetish obsession people have for B R-S. He isn’t the messiah, and allegedly has been a naughty boy.Everyone just needs to back off and let the court do its work.
Who?
Been Roberts Smith
Witty Rejoinder said:
kii said:
party_pants said:
I simply don’t understand the fetish obsession people have for B R-S. He isn’t the messiah, and allegedly has been a naughty boy.Everyone just needs to back off and let the court do its work.
Who?
Been Roberts Smith
Ben
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
kii said:Who?
Been Roberts Smith
Ben
Ben, most people would turn you away
I don’t listen to a word they say
They don’t see you as I do
I wish they would try to
I’m sure they’d think again
If they had a friend like Ben
kii said:
party_pants said:
I simply don’t understand the fetish obsession people have for B R-S. He isn’t the messiah, and allegedly has been a naughty boy.Everyone just needs to back off and let the court do its work.
Who?
Ben Roberts-Smith
The SAS soldier who was awarded a Victoria Cross for killing the “right” people in Afghanistan. He has subsequently been charged with war crimes for also killing some of the “wrong” people. But his family is well connected and he went to the right private schools and so on, so a few wealthy elites have decided to back him and try to influence public opinion.
party_pants said:
kii said:
party_pants said:
I simply don’t understand the fetish obsession people have for B R-S. He isn’t the messiah, and allegedly has been a naughty boy.Everyone just needs to back off and let the court do its work.
Who?
Ben Roberts-Smith
The SAS soldier who was awarded a Victoria Cross for killing the “right” people in Afghanistan. He has subsequently been charged with war crimes for also killing some of the “wrong” people. But his family is well connected and he went to the right private schools and so on, so a few wealthy elites have decided to back him and try to influence public opinion.
Okie dokey 😜
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
kii said:Who?
Been Roberts Smith
Ben
He killed Muslims and Gina as well as Pauline are Muslim haters.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Been Roberts Smith
Ben
He killed Muslims and Gina as well as Pauline are Muslim haters.
Need some commas there
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Ben
He killed Muslims and Gina as well as Pauline are Muslim haters.
Need some commas there
:) yeah. Sorry about that. It is a shame he didnt though.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Why Rinehart is pushing to make Hastie an outcast, and backing Hanson to bring him down
The inside story of billionaire Gina Rinehart’s role in the feud between Andrew Hastie and Pauline Hanson.Rob Harris and Paul Sakkal
September 11, 2026Henry Pike arrived at Gina Rinehart’s beachfront mansion near Noosa expecting a relaxed chat over a New Year’s lunch. Instead, the young, socially conservative Queensland Liberal found himself being asked to pick a side.
The billionaire mining magnate, who had previously thrown the odd bit of financial support behind Pike, wanted him to distance himself from his friend and fellow right-winger Andrew Hastie and move closer to Pauline Hanson’s One Nation.
The word “traitor” was used repeatedly by Rinehart throughout, according to several sources who received a briefing about the January 9 meeting. It is a word – referencing Hastie’s role in exposing war crimes allegations against Ben Roberts-Smith – which could now define the new war for ascendancy on the right of Australian politics.
Pike was polite, friends say, but adamant he would not betray Hastie in favour of Rinehart’s sponsorship. The financial rewards on offer were clear by the surroundings: Rinehart’s $34 million Webb House, which sits on 2000 square metres, touches the sand at the exclusive Sunshine Beach.
But what the MP for the nearby seat of Bowman saw next was proof of a nexus between Rinehart and the surging populist party that now echoes Rinehart’s “traitor” line in its wildly popular satirical Please Explain cartoons.
Emerging from the bedrooms of the sprawling mansion in peak summer, were Hanson, Barnaby Joyce and One Nation strategist James Ashby. A camera for breakfast TV crosses was set up nearby for Joyce as he and his new colleagues held a summer get-together at Rinehart’s holiday home.
Hastie’s bid to strike back against this network escalated dramatically this week, when he took aim at Hanson and Joyce for the cartoon, published on social media in July, attacking him as a “traitor” and “gutless maggot” over his evidence against decorated former soldier Roberts-Smith. The episode, called Don’t be Hastie, has had more than 145,000 views on YouTube and more still across platforms.
An SAS veteran who served three tours in the Middle East, including two in Afghanistan, Hastie was among the 21 veterans compelled to testify in the 2022 Federal Court defamation trial brought by Roberts-Smith. The Victoria Cross recipient had accused Nine newspapers of defaming him in reports that he had committed murder during deployments to Afghanistan.
In April this year, Roberts-Smith was arrested and charged with five counts of war crimes of murder. He vehemently denies the allegations.
In an email to supporters on Tuesday, Hastie took his fight with the right-wing populist party to another level, saying he provided evidence against Roberts-Smith because he was subpoenaed and believed in the rule of law.
“For that, I’ve been called a rat, a traitor, a dog c—-, and many other things,” he said in the email. “People I trusted have walked away from me or failed to defend me.”
Hastie then accused Hanson and Joyce of being “lying cowards” after they denied ever having used the term, and declared war on One Nation through the next election.
“I’m calling time on cowards who have never served a day in the Australian Defence Force attacking my service record, my integrity, and my loyalty to Australia,” he wrote.
The dramatic escalation in this feud follows One Nation’s victory in Secret Harbour last month – a state seat nested within Hastie’s West Australian electorate of Canning, where Liberal campaigners said some One Nation voters complained about Hastie’s position on Roberts-Smith. It is the latest flashpoint in a conservative battle reshaping the electoral map and threatening to all but wipe out the Liberal and National Parties at state and federal level as One Nation out-polls the Coalition and, sometimes, Labor.
Hastie declared Hanson “not fit to govern” the country and accused her of casting “a massive slur” on veterans around the country who also thought that Australian soldiers should hold high standards of conduct on the battlefield.
“It’s … not just an attack on me because you’ve got to remember more than 20-plus SAS combat veterans were called to give evidence in the Federal Court. Are they traitors too?” he asked in his newsletter.
Hastie has become a target for those who continue to champion Roberts-Smith since his dramatic arrest in April. The fierce criticism has extended beyond One Nation and into a conservative network of right-wing podcasters and influencers, circles where the advocacy of Rinehart and media mogul Kerry Stokes has considerable sway.
It has led to numerous threats against Hastie and his family, forcing him to dramatically upgrade his Australian Federal Police security detail.
But the hostility did not begin with the cartoon. For Hastie, it stretches back through the war crimes allegations and the conservative media ecosystem in his home state of Western Australia and his increasingly uneasy relationship with some of the wealthy figures who are shaping the new Australian right.
Hastie first met Rinehart at an event aboard The World cruise ship in Fremantle in 2017. Rinehart had a large private cabin with a grand piano, Bollinger and canapés. At dinner, she asked him if he knew Dagny Taggart, the heroine from Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged who fights against left-wing collectivism.
“That’s me,” Rinehart said.
Hastie, 43, later told friends that Rinehart’s views and apparent libertarian streak were rather different to his brand of conservatism. But the following year, they joined forces to open a swimming pool in his electorate.
But by mid-2022, not long after Hastie had testified in the Roberts-Smith defamation case, the relationship had soured.
Hastie had been invited by the American Chamber of Commerce to speak about AUKUS and had roped in Republican congressman Mike Gallagher and British politician Tom Tugendhat to join them. He later discovered the event was intended to be recorded for distribution to journalists selected by Rinehart. He objected and cancelled.
Sources familiar with the incident say “it pissed her off” and was taken personally.
A few weeks later, Hastie was on the long drive from his outer-suburban home to a city fundraiser for a fellow Liberal sponsored by Hancock Prospecting when a colleague called him.
“I’ve been told to scrub you, mate,” they said.
Hastie turned around and went home. He subsequently heard for the first time that people in Rinehart’s orbit now referred to him as “the enemy” or “the traitor”.
Rinehart trades on the fact she is a long-time supporter of veterans through charities such as Soldier On, the SAS Resources Fund and the Commando Welfare Trust. Her youngest daughter, Ginia, married ex-SAS soldier and Afghanistan veteran Simon Robinson in 2016.
A representative for Rinehart sent a statement, saying: “It is veterans and Mr Hastie’s own conservative social media followers who use that word (traitor) to describe him. In his evidence under oath, Mr Hastie made clear that he did not personally witness Ben Roberts-Smith performing various of the gossip claims, just heard the gossip from others.”
The political networks around Ben Roberts-Smith have become influential inside the Coalition too, around the shadow cabinet table and beyond.
At the last federal election some candidates previously on friendly terms with Rinehart’s network were told they’d receive no help if they posted images with Hastie on social media.
At a shadow cabinet meeting earlier this year in which Hastie was absent, a couple of members spoke in favour of Roberts-Smith. Michael McCormack and Phil Thompson’s relationships with Hastie have worsened, as has Alex Antic’s.
Hastie’s relationship with former prime minister Tony Abbott, once one of the central figures in his political world, and Abbott’s former chief of staff, broadcaster and columnist Peta Credlin, has also soured.
Both have supported Roberts-Smith publicly and are close to Rinehart. Hastie was a notable absentee from Abbott’s annual Pollie Pedal last month, a fundraising event for veterans.
When asked on ABC’s Radio National this week about his relationship with Abbott, following the former prime minister’s overt support of Roberts-Smith, Hastie was diplomatic but blunt.
“I’ve had long chats with Tony. I’ll let him explain his position, but he knows exactly where I stand on this issue,” he told Sally Sara. Abbott, now the federal party president, declined to comment.
Relationships with many colleagues have also changed amid internal divisions over One Nation’s overt campaigning for Roberts-Smith. Roberts-Smith’s mother Sue Roberts-Smith last year emailed Liberal MPs, warning them not to trust the man who testified against her son.
Those close to Hastie were also outraged in April that Michaelia Cash had allowed her adviser, Brett McCarthey, to write an opinion piece in the Stokes-owned West Australian newspaper supporting Roberts-Smith. Likewise, tensions were raised when defence personnel spokesman Phillip Thompson paraded a prominent critic of Hastie around Parliament House in June.
As angry comments fill their social media accounts, some in the shadow cabinet even raised the idea of somehow signalling support for Roberts-Smith, for fear of punishment among conservative electorates.
But for some Liberal moderates and much of the progressive media, Hastie has become a hero.
After a long period leading the campaign against “mass migration” (a term many Liberals refuse to use) in concert with his allies at conservative campaign group Advance, Hastie was scorned by his far-right online base during a debate on Labor’s post-Bondi hate groups laws.
The Coalition succeeded in watering down the bill to protect freedom of speech, but the parliamentary jostling over details did not register in the world of populist influencers. The fickle group, which previously cast Hastie as a conservative hero, then turned him into its top hate-figure.
“They’re like the Joker from Batman – they just want to see the world burn,” Hastie later told confidants.
But the depth of paranoia about this group among conservative MPs was displayed when Hastie and his friend, home affairs spokesman Jonno Duniam, phoned a right-wing podcaster the night before the Bondi laws were to be voted on. Sam Bamford, of the 2WorldsCollide podcast, was briefed on the Liberal decision to support Labor in banning neo-Nazi and Islamist groups.
Despite the explanation, Bamford, a figure now kept at a distance by most Liberals except Roberts-Smith supporters Alex Antic and Phil Thompson, continues to rail against Hastie and now backs One Nation.
The challenge of tackling One Nation has paralysed many within the Coalition. Nationals leader Matt Canavan has told colleagues that telling Hanson’s supporters she’s no good is like trying to convince your mate their girlfriend is bad for them while they’re still in love.
Canavan and others have been critical of Hanson at times, but they know it will be a long road until voters focus more on Hanson’s obvious flaws nearer to the election.
Hastie and his allies are still sour about the way Taylor’s forces manoeuvred to push his younger rival out of the race to replace Sussan Ley early this year.
Even if it was not the main goal, Hastie’s attacks this week have clearly set him apart from Taylor.
Ben Small, a federal MP from WA who is close to Hastie, said his military background was key to understanding how he had responded to the “despicable” One Nation campaign.
“It would have been easy to react emotionally … to take the bait and lash out. Such a response might have left him vulnerable, or for a weaker man, to quit,” Small said.
Small’s statement is an admission of just how vulnerable Hastie has been lately as he has deleted social media and taken on additional security to protect him against violent threats.
“But being a student of warfare, his instinct was to dig in, take cover on higher ground and prepare for the kill on his terms,” Small said.
But other Liberals say Hastie is more of a sniper than a day-to-day combatant who can thrive in the nimble business of modern politics. They point to his statements as recently as March for the Coalition to work closer with One Nation and believe he is mostly motivated from self-interest, not an ideological or principled position.
These critics say Hastie makes big declarations in media interviews or his newsletters before retreating without a clear political strategy. Hastie has avoided the late-night echo chambers of News24 (formerly Sky News) and the News Corp newspapers for months and instead worked more closely with the ABC and The Guardian. Liberal critic and former PM Malcolm Turnbull has lent Hastie support.
“People are either known for what they’ve done as a politician or what they’ve done before politics,” one high-level Liberal source said. “Peter Garrett is better known for what he did before politics. So is Andrew Hastie. He’s been in politics for 12 years now and nobody can point to anything he’s achieved.”
Hanson this week told the Stokes-owned Nightly she had “never called him a traitor” but would “call him a wanker”.
“He is now concerned about losing his seat – and of course, what happened in Secret Harbour is a clear indication of where people are casting their vote, in part of his seat,” she said.
“Hastie has taken it personally because I’m standing a candidate in his seat. He feels insulted by that, as if I shouldn’t run a candidate in Canning.”
Figures from multiple sides of politics are calling for Pauline Hanson to remove a video where Liberal MP Andrew Hastie is repeatedly called a “traitor”.
James Ashby, too, has been a fierce critic. Hastie revealed this week he was subjected to a threatening phone call in April from Hanson’s right-hand man, accusing him of running the Coalition’s attacks on Sean Black, a convicted rapist who was re-employed by the party. He says Ashby also threatened to further weaponise the Roberts-Smith issue.
Ashby declined to comment to this masthead, but One Nation sources denied threats were made and that Hanson’s long-time adviser had simply reminded Hastie that both parties needed to fight Labor.
But One Nation’s personal attacks risk exposing a fault line within its own party.
Barnaby Joyce attempted to bring down the heat on Thursday and was seen near the Senate chamber involved in animated discussions with Hanson.
“I don’t believe Mr Hastie is a traitor. That’s an absurdity, he’s not,” he told the ABC before apologising to Hastie in this masthead.
He told MPs that he did not know the traitor video existed, which had left him exposed in media interviews. Joyce has told friends he has felt uncomfortable for months about One Nation’s approach to the Roberts-Smith case while the case is before the courts.
Hastie, in turn, has told allies he sees a hairline fracture in the party he can use in his fight, showing Hanson to be a fringe voice on the issue. By the end of the week, the RSL, Labor, Coalition and influential commentators were all casting the One Nation leader as morally deficient.
If the party’s position doesn’t improve by mid-next year under Taylor, colleagues are wondering if Hastie’s supporters will push him towards a challenge. A book, due to be published next year, will be targeted at young Australians aged 18 to 25 who want to burn it all down. In it Hastie argues that’s a bad idea.
Asked about his future ambitions this week, Hastie said Taylor was “the right guy for the job right now”.
“We’ve got a big fight on our hands, but I’m confident he can lead us through this,” he said.
For now, Hastie insists the fight is not about his political future. But as the right tears itself apart, the battle over who gets to define loyalty may prove the battle that determines his path.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/traitor-the-inside-story-of-rinehart-s-role-in-the-hastie-hanson-feud-20260910-p60w56.html
…
Trust the stupid cow Gina to be a moronic supporter of Ayn Rand.
!!!
Pauline Hanson is the most primitive politician on Earth.
Indigenous leaders condemn Pauline Hanson for ‘primitive race’ remarks on First Nations’ Australians
In short:
Indigenous Australians Minister Malarndirri McCarthy has criticised One Nation leader Pauline Hanson for “derogatory” remarks made on a podcast last year.
Senator Hanson called Indigenous Australians “the most primitive race on Earth”, remarks that have earned widespread condemnation by politicians.
What’s next?
Senator McCarthy said it was up to the Senate to decide if Senator Hanson would face consequences for her remarks.
More…
Poorline Hanson apologises for describing indigenous Australians as “primitive”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-15/pauline-hanson-apology-to-indigenous-australians/107155120
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
Divine Angel said:
Poorline Hanson apologises for describing indigenous Australians as “primitive”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-15/pauline-hanson-apology-to-indigenous-australians/107155120
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
And it took Pauline all of five minutes to successfully hook up a mob of red kangaroos to a chariot.
Divine Angel said:
Poorline Hanson apologises for describing indigenous Australians as “primitive”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-15/pauline-hanson-apology-to-indigenous-australians/107155120
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
I heard a bit on the news. Apparently it’s because of 60,000 years and not even inventing the wheel…
Divine Angel said:
Poorline Hanson apologises for describing indigenous Australians as “primitive”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-15/pauline-hanson-apology-to-indigenous-australians/107155120
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
…. and the aqueduct. Don’t forget the aqueducts, Reg.
Divine Angel said:
Poorline Hanson apologises for describing indigenous Australians as “primitive”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-15/pauline-hanson-apology-to-indigenous-australians/107155120
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
Apologises “if she offended”, not for what she said.
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
Poorline Hanson apologises for describing indigenous Australians as “primitive”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-15/pauline-hanson-apology-to-indigenous-australians/107155120
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
Apologises “if she offended”, not for what she said.
thankfully nobody at all was offended
buffy said:
Divine Angel said:
Poorline Hanson apologises for describing indigenous Australians as “primitive”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-15/pauline-hanson-apology-to-indigenous-australians/107155120
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
I heard a bit on the news. Apparently it’s because of 60,000 years and not even inventing the wheel…
well why didn’t we
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
Poorline Hanson apologises for describing indigenous Australians as “primitive”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-15/pauline-hanson-apology-to-indigenous-australians/107155120
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
Apologises “if she offended”, not for what she said.
thankfully nobody at all was offended
Divine Angel said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Apologises “if she offended”, not for what she said.
thankfully nobody at all was offended
It was only woke people who were offended.
we’re going to be disgusted if these arseholes get elected but we won’t be surprised
Divine Angel said:
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
100 or so years ago, this was probably the widely accepted mainstream position.
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
100 or so years ago, this was probably the widely accepted mainstream position.
what about North Sentinels then
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
100 or so years ago, this was probably the widely accepted mainstream position.
what about North Sentinels then
They could probably build one of they wanted to, but see no point in having a 50 000 seat stadium for a population of around 200.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
Poorline Hanson apologises for describing indigenous Australians as “primitive”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-15/pauline-hanson-apology-to-indigenous-australians/107155120
Probly thinks they’re primitive cos they didn’t build a Colosseum like those sophisticated European peoples did.
Apologises “if she offended”, not for what she said.
thankfully nobody at all was offended
Offence is only taken. Never given.
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Apologises “if she offended”, not for what she said.
thankfully nobody at all was offended
Offence is only taken. Never given.
yeah the Iranians should be happy with their recent liberation
SCIENCE said:
Divine Angel said:
SCIENCE said:
thankfully nobody at all was offended
It was only woke people who were offended.
we’re going to be disgusted if these arseholes get elected but we won’t be surprised
I left work about an hour ago after having a few beers with the guys there. This topic came up and they all started parroting the same bullshit from the same sources. I’m guessing that at least 3 of the 4 will vote one notion because of her complaints about immigration.
None of them asked if she had any idea of how to fix the problem, and then one of them went into base racism while the others laughed. It was cringeworthy but I bet there is at least two phon votes there.
alleged
https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/labor-recruits-sussan-ley-to-key-renewables-role-20260914-p60×85
The Albanese government has appointed former Liberal leader Sussan Ley to the board of Snowy Hydro, the massive hydroelectricity project central to Australia’s energy transition, just weeks before the unveiling of a major cost review of the troubled project.
Energy Minister Chris Bowen announced the appointment on Monday, less than 12 months after Ley oversaw the formal abandonment of the Coalition’s commitment to net zero emissions to placate the conservative party’s warring factions.
dv said:
https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/labor-recruits-sussan-ley-to-key-renewables-role-20260914-p60×85The Albanese government has appointed former Liberal leader Sussan Ley to the board of Snowy Hydro, the massive hydroelectricity project central to Australia’s energy transition, just weeks before the unveiling of a major cost review of the troubled project.
Energy Minister Chris Bowen announced the appointment on Monday, less than 12 months after Ley oversaw the formal abandonment of the Coalition’s commitment to net zero emissions to placate the conservative party’s warring factions.
Yeah, well, that’s the first four letters of her name.
South Africans never beating the allegations
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-17/ai-generated-slop-economy-brazilian-deepfake-alternates/107158050
YouTuber promoting One Nation revealed to be AI.
Maybe I should watch some right wing propagandist media to see what tactics they use to influence people. My current hypothesis is feeding fear.
Read about a guy whose mother had died. Two Indian women cared for the body. The guy said he was voting ON because of it. Not because they did anything “wrong”, just because they were ethnically different to his mother and he thinks it inappropriate.
Divine Angel said:
YouTuber promoting One Nation revealed to be AI.
Maybe I should watch some right wing propagandist media to see what tactics they use to influence people. My current hypothesis is feeding fear.
Read about a guy whose mother had died. Two Indian women cared for the body. The guy said he was voting ON because of it. Not because they did anything “wrong”, just because they were ethnically different to his mother and he thinks it inappropriate.
dismantling resistance to mind control
Divine Angel said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-17/ai-generated-slop-economy-brazilian-deepfake-alternates/107158050YouTuber promoting One Nation revealed to be AI.
Maybe I should watch some right wing propagandist media to see what tactics they use to influence people. My current hypothesis is feeding fear.
Read about a guy whose mother had died. Two Indian women cared for the body. The guy said he was voting ON because of it. Not because they did anything “wrong”, just because they were ethnically different to his mother and he thinks it inappropriate.
Different tribe stuff.
I could’ve been part of a motorbike tribe. But then there are other motorbike tribes that they want to fight with.
SCIENCE explains it as team sports.
dv said:
South Africans never beating the allegations
so all of this is just geopolitical conflict to keep that other country at the bottom of the table
dv said:
https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/labor-recruits-sussan-ley-to-key-renewables-role-20260914-p60×85The Albanese government has appointed former Liberal leader Sussan Ley to the board of Snowy Hydro, the massive hydroelectricity project central to Australia’s energy transition, just weeks before the unveiling of a major cost review of the troubled project.
Energy Minister Chris Bowen announced the appointment on Monday, less than 12 months after Ley oversaw the formal abandonment of the Coalition’s commitment to net zero emissions to placate the conservative party’s warring factions.
Mr Spock wept
ms spock said:
dv said:
https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/labor-recruits-sussan-ley-to-key-renewables-role-20260914-p60×85The Albanese government has appointed former Liberal leader Sussan Ley to the board of Snowy Hydro, the massive hydroelectricity project central to Australia’s energy transition, just weeks before the unveiling of a major cost review of the troubled project.
Energy Minister Chris Bowen announced the appointment on Monday, less than 12 months after Ley oversaw the formal abandonment of the Coalition’s commitment to net zero emissions to placate the conservative party’s warring factions.
Mr Spock wept
democracy at work
ms spock said:
dv said:
https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/labor-recruits-sussan-ley-to-key-renewables-role-20260914-p60×85The Albanese government has appointed former Liberal leader Sussan Ley to the board of Snowy Hydro, the massive hydroelectricity project central to Australia’s energy transition, just weeks before the unveiling of a major cost review of the troubled project.
Energy Minister Chris Bowen announced the appointment on Monday, less than 12 months after Ley oversaw the formal abandonment of the Coalition’s commitment to net zero emissions to placate the conservative party’s warring factions.
Mr Spock wept
Why?
Michael V said:
ms spock said:
dv said:
https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/labor-recruits-sussan-ley-to-key-renewables-role-20260914-p60×85The Albanese government has appointed former Liberal leader Sussan Ley to the board of Snowy Hydro, the massive hydroelectricity project central to Australia’s energy transition, just weeks before the unveiling of a major cost review of the troubled project.
Energy Minister Chris Bowen announced the appointment on Monday, less than 12 months after Ley oversaw the formal abandonment of the Coalition’s commitment to net zero emissions to placate the conservative party’s warring factions.
Mr Spock wept
Why?
Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
ms spock said:
Michael V said:
ms spock said:Mr Spock wept
Why?
Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
People seem to vastly underestimate climate change
We have barely started seeing the changes and what we have isn’t good.
I could see it starting World War 3 as nations decide they will steal someone else less fucked up territory
Then add in refugees and fun times ensure
Cymek said:
ms spock said:
Michael V said:Why?
Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
People seem to vastly underestimate climate change
We have barely started seeing the changes and what we have isn’t good.
I could see it starting World War 3 as nations decide they will steal someone else less fucked up territory
Then add in refugees and fun times ensure
The numbers of Climate Change refugees will be hard to envisage.
Cymek said:
ms spock said:
Michael V said:Why?
Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
People seem to vastly underestimate climate change
We have barely started seeing the changes and what we have isn’t good.
I could see it starting World War 3 as nations decide they will steal someone else less fucked up territory
Then add in refugees and fun times ensure
I wouldn’t doubt that for a second.
But hey the good news is that nuclear weapons will help lower the temps due to all the debris they pump into the atmosphere.
ms spock said:
Michael V said:
ms spock said:Mr Spock wept
Why?
Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
I don’t think she is a moron. She has a degree in Economics and two Master’s degrees.
Michael V said:
ms spock said:
Michael V said:Why?
Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
I don’t think she is a moron. She has a degree in Economics and two Master’s degrees.
And some prominent forumites dismiss the science of climate change.
Michael V said:
ms spock said:
Michael V said:Why?
Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
I don’t think she is a moron. She has a degree in Economics and two Master’s degrees.
Sure.
Don’t forget that Tony Abbott was a Rhodes scholar.
Michael V said:
ms spock said:
Michael V said:Why?
Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
I don’t think she is a moron. She has a degree in Economics and two Master’s degrees.
And what she thinks or doesn’t think about climate change really has nothing to do with getting this project finished quickly and efficiently.
It does seem a weird choice though.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:
ms spock said:Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
I don’t think she is a moron. She has a degree in Economics and two Master’s degrees.
And some prominent forumites dismiss the science of climate change.
Who, other than PWM?
And I’m not even sure if he’s really serious about it these days.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:I don’t think she is a moron. She has a degree in Economics and two Master’s degrees.
And some prominent forumites dismiss the science of climate change.
Who, other than PWM?
And I’m not even sure if he’s really serious about it these days.
If I say her name she might appear!
_ makes sign of the cross_
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:And some prominent forumites dismiss the science of climate change.
Who, other than PWM?
And I’m not even sure if he’s really serious about it these days.
If I say her name she might appear!
makes sign of the cross
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:
ms spock said:Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
People seem to vastly underestimate climate change
We have barely started seeing the changes and what we have isn’t good.
I could see it starting World War 3 as nations decide they will steal someone else less fucked up territory
Then add in refugees and fun times ensureI wouldn’t doubt that for a second.
But hey the good news is that nuclear weapons will help lower the temps due to all the debris they pump into the atmosphere.
Not to mention when the AI plays with the satellites, crashes happen and all that debris comes down too.
buffy said:
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:People seem to vastly underestimate climate change
We have barely started seeing the changes and what we have isn’t good.
I could see it starting World War 3 as nations decide they will steal someone else less fucked up territory
Then add in refugees and fun times ensureI wouldn’t doubt that for a second.
But hey the good news is that nuclear weapons will help lower the temps due to all the debris they pump into the atmosphere.
Not to mention when the AI plays with the satellites, crashes happen and all that debris comes down too.
Yeah it’s win-win really.
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Michael V said:
ms spock said:
Michael V said:Why?
Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
I don’t think she is a moron. She has a degree in Economics and two Master’s degrees.
She is a person without morals?
ms spock said:
Michael V said:
ms spock said:Because Jesus is out of tears.
Sussan Ley is a moron. She doesn’t care about Climate Change. Only the super rich will survive the lack a commitment to net zero emissions. It is illogical for her to be involved. So deals have been done.
I don’t think she is a moron. She has a degree in Economics and two Master’s degrees.
She is a person without morals?
Maybe, but I really cannot comment about that, because I don’t know.
Politics is a strange profession. One where the person who gets to the top has to have certain attributes (some may not be great attributes, either). One where compromises and trade-offs must occur.
Michael V said:
ms spock said:
Michael V said:I don’t think she is a moron. She has a degree in Economics and two Master’s degrees.
She is a person without morals?
Maybe, but I really cannot comment about that, because I don’t know.
Politics is a strange profession. One where the person who gets to the top has to have certain attributes (some may not be great attributes, either). One where compromises and trade-offs must occur.
Fair point
Circuit Breaker Sentencing bill passes in Queensland, youth justice camps to be rolled out this year
Controversial youth justice camps are set to be rolled out in Queensland later this year, diverting up to 60 juvenile offenders from detention.
Circuit Breaker Sentencing, passed by state parliament this afternoon, is designed to provide an alternative option to prison for the courts and an opportunity for rehabilitation for children at remote facilities.
It has been criticised by experts for putting youth at risk of harm or abuse, and drawn parallels with Campbell Newman-era boot camps, which showed limited evidence in reducing reoffending.
Offenders will be based at the regional facilities for up to six months and will be required to wear an electronic monitoring ankle tag.
Youth Justice Minister Laura Gerber told parliament the LNP government was delivering on an election commitment.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-17/qld-circuit-breaker-sentencing-bill-passes/107164314
The Neo-fascists strike again.
Spiny Norman said:
Circuit Breaker Sentencing bill passes in Queensland, youth justice camps to be rolled out this yearControversial youth justice camps are set to be rolled out in Queensland later this year, diverting up to 60 juvenile offenders from detention.
Circuit Breaker Sentencing, passed by state parliament this afternoon, is designed to provide an alternative option to prison for the courts and an opportunity for rehabilitation for children at remote facilities.
It has been criticised by experts for putting youth at risk of harm or abuse, and drawn parallels with Campbell Newman-era boot camps, which showed limited evidence in reducing reoffending.
Offenders will be based at the regional facilities for up to six months and will be required to wear an electronic monitoring ankle tag.
Youth Justice Minister Laura Gerber told parliament the LNP government was delivering on an election commitment.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-17/qld-circuit-breaker-sentencing-bill-passes/107164314
The Neo-fascists strike again.
Considering Crisafulli was one of Newman’s minister, what would you expect?
They came to power using a simplistic law and order slogan…
Nationals MP David Littleproud calls for new coal-fired power station to bolster $32bn data centre
In short:
Nationals MP David Littleproud has called for the duplication of a 750MW coal-fired power station to underpin the energy requirements of a proposed $32bn data centre.
AI giant Anthropic has signed a deal to use part of the data centre which is proposed for Queensland’s Western Downs region.
What’s next?
The proposed data centre remains before the Western Downs Regional Council planning team.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-17/queensland-data-centre-politicians-responses/107164154
I suppose they can only screw things up at a certain rate.
fucking arseholes
SCIENCE said:
fucking arseholes
stop watching porn
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
fucking arseholes
stop watching porn
well it’s the australian pornlicktits thread
seriously though a new coal burner
ah well at least after that nobody will be complaining “well that other country is still building more new coal capacity than the rest of the world” as a counter to their massive renewable push
Ian said:
Like.
These changes to the immigration numbers feel like a bit of an own goal for the Labs
diddly-squat said:
These changes to the immigration numbers feel like a bit of an own goal for the Labs
I’ll say.
Have a look at the cartoon Ian posted earlier.
diddly-squat said:
These changes to the immigration numbers feel like a bit of an own goal for the Labs
How so? They have to confront the public sentiment somehow.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:These changes to the immigration numbers feel like a bit of an own goal for the Labs
How so? They have to confront the public sentiment somehow.
it significantly impacts a bunch of export industries. It’s completely counter to good policy.
A new Australian study of more than 10,000 crashes has found that for every 10 centimetres of vehicle height, the odds of a pedestrian death rise by 11 per cent, as utes and SUVs dominate new-car sales. Last year’s top seller was a ute at about 1.9 metres high, 30 centimetres taller than the average Australian woman and 15 centimetres taller than the average Australian man. A 2005 sedan sits below 1.5 metres and weighs about 1.7 tonnes, so an impact tends to land on a pedestrian’s legs or waist; larger SUVs, utes and US-style pickup trucks up to two metres tall and three tonnes are more likely to strike the head. A US study of crash data found every 10 centimetres of extra front-end height raised the risk of pedestrian death by 22 per cent, with women, children and seniors most at risk. In the Australian data, vehicle height and weight showed no significant link to men’s fatality risk, but became “significant predictors of death” for women, more so for height than weight. Pedestrian deaths have risen in Australia over the past five years, even as the fatality rate for people inside vehicles has fallen.
Why it matters: the vehicles Australians are buying to feel safer make everyone outside them measurably less safe, and the risk falls hardest on women, kids and older people.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-18/big-cars-linked-to-pedestrian-deaths/107053810
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:These changes to the immigration numbers feel like a bit of an own goal for the Labs
How so? They have to confront the public sentiment somehow.
it significantly impacts a bunch of export industries. It’s completely counter to good policy.
So? They wouldn’t gain politically by sticking to their guns and if they’re lucky a downturn will put paid to the populist rhetoric on the right that immigration is bad. Election’s still 18 months away so a lot of time for the dust to settle.
diddly-squat said:
These changes to the immigration numbers feel like a bit of an own goal for the Labs
I’m starting to think that we should stop having a national immigration policy and go for a regional approach instead. Each region issues their own visas, with whatever conditions suit them. An immigrant gets the right to live and work in that region only for a stated period of time. After a few years (pick a number) the person can apply for unrestricted permanent residency, but by then it would be hoped that they have put down roots in the region where they arrived, so they won’t all end up in suburban Sydney or Melbourne.
well if economic growth is important but we don’t want the labour imported from overseas to have votes or representative influence on culture maybe we just need to embrace slavery
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:These changes to the immigration numbers feel like a bit of an own goal for the Labs
I’m starting to think that we should stop having a national immigration policy and go for a regional approach instead. Each region issues their own visas, with whatever conditions suit them. An immigrant gets the right to live and work in that region only for a stated period of time. After a few years (pick a number) the person can apply for unrestricted permanent residency, but by then it would be hoped that they have put down roots in the region where they arrived, so they won’t all end up in suburban Sydney or Melbourne.
Up there for thinking.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:How so? They have to confront the public sentiment somehow.
it significantly impacts a bunch of export industries. It’s completely counter to good policy.
So? They wouldn’t gain politically by sticking to their guns and if they’re lucky a downturn will put paid to the populist rhetoric on the right that immigration is bad. Election’s still 18 months away so a lot of time for the dust to settle.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:How so? They have to confront the public sentiment somehow.
it significantly impacts a bunch of export industries. It’s completely counter to good policy.
So? They wouldn’t gain politically by sticking to their guns and if they’re lucky a downturn will put paid to the populist rhetoric on the right that immigration is bad. Election’s still 18 months away so a lot of time for the dust to settle.
I mean, I guess they have the upside of running counter to the more extreme positions of the LibNats and the ON, but that’s hardly high praise… They’ve done this to remove a wedge from the right, plain and simple; not because there is some clear upside for the country.
damn team sports so good that we started expecting government candidates to govern and not just do things for popularity
One thing you’d say for Albanese is that, like Howard, he is a good politician. This may or may or not be considered a good personal trait but it will probably see him as PM til 2031. Despite all the noise from legacy media about his “embattled” government, the party has stayed 4 points ahead of the opposition in the 2pp and that’s where you win government. This has been done by staying dead centre or slightly right of centre, safe in the knowledge that Greens voters are all responsible nerds who aren’t going to do anything stupid with their preferences, and that the Tealies are never going be to attracted to ONP or the Angus-led LNP.
by staying centre do they mean in the centre of the window or in the centre of the historical frame
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:These changes to the immigration numbers feel like a bit of an own goal for the Labs
I’m starting to think that we should stop having a national immigration policy and go for a regional approach instead. Each region issues their own visas, with whatever conditions suit them. An immigrant gets the right to live and work in that region only for a stated period of time. After a few years (pick a number) the person can apply for unrestricted permanent residency, but by then it would be hoped that they have put down roots in the region where they arrived, so they won’t all end up in suburban Sydney or Melbourne.
Great idea! If someone committed to an area for 2-4 years then they may have become embedded into the community.
SCIENCE said:
by staying centre do they mean in the centre of the window or in the centre of the historical frame
Like the Coalition the ALP is a right of center establishment, the only commie establishment left in Australia is the ABC, a hotbed of commie activists if ever there was one.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:by staying centre do they mean in the centre of the window or in the centre of the historical frame
Like the Coalition the ALP is a right of center establishment, the only commie establishment left in Australia is the ABC, a hotbed of commie activists if ever there was one.
Are unions right wing now?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:by staying centre do they mean in the centre of the window or in the centre of the historical frame
Like the Coalition the ALP is a right of center establishment, the only commie establishment left in Australia is the ABC, a hotbed of commie activists if ever there was one.
Are unions right wing now?
Fascist quite often if linked to building industry
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:by staying centre do they mean in the centre of the window or in the centre of the historical frame
Like the Coalition the ALP is a right of center establishment, the only commie establishment left in Australia is the ABC, a hotbed of commie activists if ever there was one.
There reporting seems like mainstream media to me. Genocide denial et.al!
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:Like the Coalition the ALP is a right of center establishment, the only commie establishment left in Australia is the ABC, a hotbed of commie activists if ever there was one.
Are unions right wing now?
Fascist quite often if linked to building industry
Criminals are fascists?
To give an example other than immigration: polls consistently indicate 60 to 70% of Australians want some form of emissions pricing, so the central position is to bring in such a scheme, but Albo won’t even touch it, in order to cater to the right of centre voters in the 30 to 40%. Polls indicated most Australians wanted to avoid the high-end Stage 3 tax cuts, so the central position would be to cancel them, but this government kept them but smudged them a bit to bring some benefit to the middle class rather than just the upper middle class. This kind of thing has put the LNP in a very difficult position with not much room to manoeuvre.
Albo has obviously studied his Jim Hacker… Please, let me finish, because we must be absolutely clear about this, and I would be quite frank with you. The plain fact of the matter is that at the end of the day it is the right, no the duty, of the elected government in the House of Commons to ensure that government policy, the policies on which we were elected and for which we have a mandate, the policies after all for which the people voted, are the policies which finally when the national cake has been divided up, and may I remind you we as a nation don’t have unlimited wealth, so we can’t pay ourselves more than we’ve earned, are the policies… I’m sorry, what was the question again?
Ian said:
Albo has obviously studied his Jim Hacker… Please, let me finish, because we must be absolutely clear about this, and I would be quite frank with you. The plain fact of the matter is that at the end of the day it is the right, no the duty, of the elected government in the House of Commons to ensure that government policy, the policies on which we were elected and for which we have a mandate, the policies after all for which the people voted, are the policies which finally when the national cake has been divided up, and may I remind you we as a nation don’t have unlimited wealth, so we can’t pay ourselves more than we’ve earned, are the policies… I’m sorry, what was the question again?
Ian said:
Albo has obviously studied his Jim Hacker… Please, let me finish, because we must be absolutely clear about this, and I would be quite frank with you. The plain fact of the matter is that at the end of the day it is the right, no the duty, of the elected government in the House of Commons to ensure that government policy, the policies on which we were elected and for which we have a mandate, the policies after all for which the people voted, are the policies which finally when the national cake has been divided up, and may I remind you we as a nation don’t have unlimited wealth, so we can’t pay ourselves more than we’ve earned, are the policies… I’m sorry, what was the question again?
The writers of the time were quite brillant.
Victorian Greens MP Tim Read has died aged 64, following a high-profile battle with metastatic cancer.
Dr Read, who announced his retirement from the Victorian parliament in January, used his final year as the Member for Brunswick to fight against the Allan government’s decision to close VicHealth.
The former general practitioner told the ABC in January that VicHealth had helped pioneer sun safety messaging that could have helped him reduce his cancer risk if promoted when he was younger.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-19/brunswick-greens-mp-tim-read-dies-aged-64/107172620
wait
The Coalition has unveiled its plan for “root and branch” educational reform, which would remove cross-curricular units on Indigenous history and Asian studies. Students would instead learn more about Western values, including civics, literature, and philosophy. Speaking in Sydney’s west, Shadow Education Minister Julian Leeser said the reforms would also see the Australian flag flown in all schools to foster more national pride. He declared that the Coalition’s policy would “restore excellence” in education, amid plummeting academic standards.
so we take it they’re embracing the plummet then, why would you study how dirty ASIANS have higher standards when you could do otherwise
SCIENCE said:
… the reforms would also see the Australian flag flown in all schools to foster more national pride.
A new flag will be necessary…
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
… the reforms would also see the Australian flag flown in all schools to foster more national pride.
A new flag will be necessary…
just use the old black yellow red one
Corruption Vows To Pump Cash Into Pockets Of Fossil Burners
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-20/federal-politics-coalition-fuel-policy-cut-excise/107173690
this bit
Mr Albanese has made it clear he wants the two major powers, the US and China, to cooperate and strike a deal similar to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, signed in 1970 to stop the spread of nuclear weapons. “The truth is they’re the big two giants here and so we want to see cooperation,” he told the ABC’s Insiders program in an interview recorded in Cupertino. “President Trump, of course, will act in the interests of the United States. But there’s a need for all of us to act in the interests of humanity.”
you what
President Trump, of course, will act in the interests of the United States.
are you fucking stupid
SCIENCE said:
this bit
Mr Albanese has made it clear he wants the two major powers, the US and China, to cooperate and strike a deal similar to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, signed in 1970 to stop the spread of nuclear weapons. “The truth is they’re the big two giants here and so we want to see cooperation,” he told the ABC’s Insiders program in an interview recorded in Cupertino. “President Trump, of course, will act in the interests of the United States. But there’s a need for all of us to act in the interests of humanity.”
you what
President Trump, of course, will act in the interests of the United States.are you fucking stupid
Well, he’ll act in the best interests of himself and his family. But they are USAliens so technically he is acting in the best interests of USAlia,
The prime minister is currently in the US to lead Australia’s delegation at the United Nations General Assembly and to launch a campaign for a seat on the UN Security Council (UNSC).
But during a stateside press conference on Sunday, The Nightly reporter Latika Bourke raised a question about domestic issues that cast a shadow over the PM’s pitch and likely left audience members squirming in their seats.
“Prime Minister, here in New York on Wednesday night, you will receive an award for being a global citizen,” Bourke said.
“Don’t you feel like a bit of a fraud accepting this award when, at home, you screwed up the response to the worst massacre since Port Arthur?” she continued.
“In the polls, you are taking Labor to one point shy of Julia Gillard when you rolled her, and your net negatives (approval ratings) are worse than Scott Morrison.”
“No,” replied Albanese before throwing to another question.
Divine Angel said:
The prime minister is currently in the US to lead Australia’s delegation at the United Nations General Assembly and to launch a campaign for a seat on the UN Security Council (UNSC).
But during a stateside press conference on Sunday, The Nightly reporter Latika Bourke raised a question about domestic issues that cast a shadow over the PM’s pitch and likely left audience members squirming in their seats.
“Prime Minister, here in New York on Wednesday night, you will receive an award for being a global citizen,” Bourke said.
“Don’t you feel like a bit of a fraud accepting this award when, at home, you screwed up the response to the worst massacre since Port Arthur?” she continued.
“In the polls, you are taking Labor to one point shy of Julia Gillard when you rolled her, and your net negatives (approval ratings) are worse than Scott Morrison.”
“No,” replied Albanese before throwing to another question.
don’t worry Ein Reich will be a better government
One from last week
LOL soon they’re going to start telling
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-21/triple-zero-senate-inquiry-recommendations/107162636
us that communism good
Bugger the environment. Us farmers have to make a profit and all your water is ours.
roughbarked said:
Bugger the environment. Us farmers have to make a profit and all your water is ours.
Bugger the environment and the farmers we need the water for data centers.
alleged
alleged
taking out the trash for the day
One Nation recruit Barnaby Joyce says talks between his party and the Liberals have occurred but denies the two will consider a formal coalition. Shadow Treasurer Tim Wilson has dismissed Joyce’s claim as a figment of his imagination.
The opposition today released an eight-point plan, officially jettisoning many of the key climate policies trying to push down emissions or speed up the renewable rollout. It includes scrapping laws committing Australia to net zero, laws requiring heavy industry to cut emissions, and removing laws requiring car makers to import more fuel-efficient and electric vehicles. The plan also includes the push to end a ban on nuclear power.
meanwhile yousr state media are still reporting on the most important issue of the century: cucurbits
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has met with his Japanese counterpart Sanae Takaichi for the first time since the furore over a gesture he made about two melons she gifted him.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-23/federal-politics-live-blog-un-albanese-ai-super/107181666
SCIENCE said:
taking out the trash for the day
One Nation recruit Barnaby Joyce says talks between his party and the Liberals have occurred but denies the two will consider a formal coalition. Shadow Treasurer Tim Wilson has dismissed Joyce’s claim as a figment of his imagination.
The opposition today released an eight-point plan, officially jettisoning many of the key climate policies trying to push down emissions or speed up the renewable rollout. It includes scrapping laws committing Australia to net zero, laws requiring heavy industry to cut emissions, and removing laws requiring car makers to import more fuel-efficient and electric vehicles. The plan also includes the push to end a ban on nuclear power.
meanwhile yousr state media are still reporting on the most important issue of the century: cucurbits
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has met with his Japanese counterpart Sanae Takaichi for the first time since the furore over a gesture he made about two melons she gifted him.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-23/federal-politics-live-blog-un-albanese-ai-super/107181666
Bugger One Notion.
Bugger the LibNats.
Bugger the melons.
SCIENCE said:
meanwhile yousr state media are still reporting on
how that other police state is violating the human rights of 1000000000 citizens
wait good news safety is not a human right
Iain Ross, a member of the Reserve Bank’s monetary policy board, gave a very interesting speech last night.
well of course these unelected communists would say this
Comparative wage justice no longer plays the pervasive role it once did, and quarterly indexation is not a feature of the current system.
roughbarked said:
“What policies could we adopt that will make us even more unpopular?”
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
“What policies could we adopt that will make us even more unpopular?”
It kinda seems like they don’t know what they are doing…
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
“What policies could we adopt that will make us even more unpopular?”
The Teals will be quaking in their boots.
roughbarked said:
Do you think Albo should retire at or before the 2031 election? If he steps aside in 2030 it gives his replacement a bit of a run in. I kind of hope it’s Wong, even though she’d need to change house. She’ll be 61 in 2030, which is a kind of normal age to become PM.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Do you think Albo should retire at or before the 2031 election? If he steps aside in 2030 it gives his replacement a bit of a run in. I kind of hope it’s Wong, even though she’d need to change house. She’ll be 61 in 2030, which is a kind of normal age to become PM.
The L/NP would run an anti-woman campaign, and try to cultivate the electorate’s notably fuzzy memory with misrepresented tales of Julia Gillard’s time, along with outright rumours and fables about that period. “Women – just not cut out for the PM’s office, y’know. She’ll make a mess of it, just like Julia did.”
And then, of course, there’s the enormously rich field of innuendo about ‘same sex marriage’ to exploit. A bit of a minefield, would need careful management, but the electorate’s homophobia can take the slightest of hints very readily.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Do you think Albo should retire at or before the 2031 election? If he steps aside in 2030 it gives his replacement a bit of a run in. I kind of hope it’s Wong, even though she’d need to change house. She’ll be 61 in 2030, which is a kind of normal age to become PM.
The L/NP would run an anti-woman campaign, and try to cultivate the electorate’s notably fuzzy memory with misrepresented tales of Julia Gillard’s time, along with outright rumours and fables about that period. “Women – just not cut out for the PM’s office, y’know. She’ll make a mess of it, just like Julia did.”
And then, of course, there’s the enormously rich field of innuendo about ‘same sex marriage’ to exploit. A bit of a minefield, would need careful management, but the electorate’s homophobia can take the slightest of hints very readily.
wait we thought australians resoundingly yessed ssm, has that changed
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Do you think Albo should retire at or before the 2031 election? If he steps aside in 2030 it gives his replacement a bit of a run in. I kind of hope it’s Wong, even though she’d need to change house. She’ll be 61 in 2030, which is a kind of normal age to become PM.
The L/NP would run an anti-woman campaign, and try to cultivate the electorate’s notably fuzzy memory with misrepresented tales of Julia Gillard’s time, along with outright rumours and fables about that period. “Women – just not cut out for the PM’s office, y’know. She’ll make a mess of it, just like Julia did.”
And then, of course, there’s the enormously rich field of innuendo about ‘same sex marriage’ to exploit. A bit of a minefield, would need careful management, but the electorate’s homophobia can take the slightest of hints very readily.
wait we thought australians resoundingly yessed ssm, has that changed
Same sex marriage is fine, but don’t think about marrying a Muslim
roughbarked said:
Fk the Coal-ition.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Do you think Albo should retire at or before the 2031 election? If he steps aside in 2030 it gives his replacement a bit of a run in. I kind of hope it’s Wong, even though she’d need to change house. She’ll be 61 in 2030, which is a kind of normal age to become PM.
The L/NP would run an anti-woman campaign, and try to cultivate the electorate’s notably fuzzy memory with misrepresented tales of Julia Gillard’s time, along with outright rumours and fables about that period. “Women – just not cut out for the PM’s office, y’know. She’ll make a mess of it, just like Julia did.”
And then, of course, there’s the enormously rich field of innuendo about ‘same sex marriage’ to exploit. A bit of a minefield, would need careful management, but the electorate’s homophobia can take the slightest of hints very readily.
wait we thought australians resoundingly yessed ssm, has that changed
Of course we did.
But, there’s always the old question i.e. that’s all very well, but would you want your sister marrying one country run by one?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
“What policies could we adopt that will make us even more unpopular?”
The Teals will be quaking in their boots.
LOLz
furious said:
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
“What policies could we adopt that will make us even more unpopular?”
It kinda seems like they don’t know what they are doing…
well won’t we all be surprised when Australians all vote for fascism just like how those republican sociopaths never had a chance
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Do you think Albo should retire at or before the 2031 election? If he steps aside in 2030 it gives his replacement a bit of a run in. I kind of hope it’s Wong, even though she’d need to change house. She’ll be 61 in 2030, which is a kind of normal age to become PM.
The L/NP would run an anti-woman campaign, and try to cultivate the electorate’s notably fuzzy memory with misrepresented tales of Julia Gillard’s time, along with outright rumours and fables about that period. “Women – just not cut out for the PM’s office, y’know. She’ll make a mess of it, just like Julia did.”
And then, of course, there’s the enormously rich field of innuendo about ‘same sex marriage’ to exploit. A bit of a minefield, would need careful management, but the electorate’s homophobia can take the slightest of hints very readily.
Not to mention the asian heritage and the lack of pretending to have strong religious inclinations.
oh is that right
guess it shouldn’t take too long to realise that there is no evidence $368000000000 U235 program reduces conflict
JudgeMental said:
Oh dear…that is my local member of Parliament…
The best way to bring down electricity prices is to get private interests out of natural monopolies and have them back as state run enterprises.
There, I’ve said it!
good good socialise them losses
profits already taken good good
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
The best way to bring down electricity prices is to get private interests out of natural monopolies and have them back as state run enterprises.
There, I’ve said it!
good good socialise them losses
profits already taken good good
oh snap
same difference
party_pants said:
The best way to bring down electricity prices is to get private interests out of natural monopolies and have them back as state run enterprises.There, I’ve said it!
Only transmission is a natural monopoly. Would you allow private electricity generators?
party_pants said:
The best way to bring down electricity prices is to get private interests out of natural monopolies and have them back as state run enterprises.
There, I’ve said it!
oh do you mean like how local renewable battery firmed microgrids could be like a proliferation of small businesses
buffy said:
JudgeMental said:
Oh dear…that is my local member of Parliament…
“We’ve got a plan!”
“OK. it’s a pretty shithouse plan, and it’s not really our plan, we really didn’t have a lot to do with it. Some people in the mining and energy sectors gave us some money (rather a lot of money, really), and said “ ‘ere yer go, darlings, get yerselves off down the shops an’ buy yerselves somefink nice, when yers get back we’ll ‘ave a nice little energy/climate policy drawn up for yers, so yous dont ‘ave ta worry yer pretty lttle ‘eads about it”.
“And this is what they gave us. A bit shit, as i say, but we’re not going to contradict it. Not if we know what’s good for us.”
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
The best way to bring down electricity prices is to get private interests out of natural monopolies and have them back as state run enterprises.There, I’ve said it!
Only transmission is a natural monopoly. Would you allow private electricity generators?
Yes. I should clarify that. Prices and supply contracts would regulated however and not free floating, and there would be no gaming the system with artificial scarcity.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
The best way to bring down electricity prices is to get private interests out of natural monopolies and have them back as state run enterprises.There, I’ve said it!
Only transmission is a natural monopoly. Would you allow private electricity generators?
Yes. I should clarify that. Prices and supply contracts would regulated however and not free floating, and there would be no gaming the system with artificial scarcity.
Thank you Sir. Do you have a newsletter?
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
“What policies could we adopt that will make us even more unpopular?”
Raise taxes?
25% GST?
Nuclear power in every state?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Nuclear power in every state?
We just need one, for the production of nuclear weapons.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
“What policies could we adopt that will make us even more unpopular?”
Raise taxes?
25% GST?
Nuclear power in every state?
Maybe they don’t want to be the government.
Having enough fun as the Opposition.
I realise it would be poison for a politician to say this out loud, but one of the major success stories in affordability in Australia has been electricity. In the mid 1980s it comprised on average 3% of net household income, and it is now below 2%.
party_pants said:
The best way to bring down electricity prices is to get private interests out of natural monopolies and have them back as state run enterprises.There, I’ve said it!
Socialist! Me too. Utilities should be community owned.
Two federal polls out today.
News24 Pulse poll by YouGov n=1471
2PP
ALP 52 LNP 48
ALP 55 ONP 45
Morgan n=1561
2PP
ALP 52 LNP 48
ALP 54 ONP 46
SCIENCE said:
good good socialise them losses
profits already taken good good
Standard: when the ore has been mined, the company has no income, so the mine is abandoned by the now-broke company.
Angus Taylor has vowed to repeal a raft of emissions reduction and renewable energy policies, including several measures supported by or introduced under past Coalition governments, within a month of being elected prime minister, prompting accusations he would “let climate change rip”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/sep/23/angus-taylor-pledges-to-repeal-swathe-of-climate-policies-saying-australia-has-done-its-bit
Divine Angel said:
Angus Taylor has vowed to repeal a raft of emissions reduction and renewable energy policies, including several measures supported by or introduced under past Coalition governments, within a month of being elected prime minister, prompting accusations he would “let climate change rip”.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/sep/23/angus-taylor-pledges-to-repeal-swathe-of-climate-policies-saying-australia-has-done-its-bit
The Teals will thank him.
PHON will be emboldened.
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
Angus Taylor has vowed to repeal a raft of emissions reduction and renewable energy policies, including several measures supported by or introduced under past Coalition governments, within a month of being elected prime minister, prompting accusations he would “let climate change rip”.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/sep/23/angus-taylor-pledges-to-repeal-swathe-of-climate-policies-saying-australia-has-done-its-bit
The Teals will thank him.
PHON will be emboldened.
Let’s hope the voters aren’t.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:
Angus Taylor has vowed to repeal a raft of emissions reduction and renewable energy policies, including several measures supported by or introduced under past Coalition governments, within a month of being elected prime minister, prompting accusations he would “let climate change rip”.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/sep/23/angus-taylor-pledges-to-repeal-swathe-of-climate-policies-saying-australia-has-done-its-bit
The Teals will thank him.
PHON will be emboldened.
Let’s hope the voters aren’t.
Call me a cynic but people are actually voting for them. I think the great unwashed are getting progressively stupider, so don’t act surprised when this mob actually get some power.
Obviousman said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:The Teals will thank him.
PHON will be emboldened.
Let’s hope the voters aren’t.
Call me a cynic but people are actually voting for them. I think the great unwashed are getting progressively stupider, so don’t act surprised when this mob actually get some power.
Well, the normal distribution of intelligence in a population indicates that half the population has below-average intelligence.
Obviousman said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:The Teals will thank him.
PHON will be emboldened.
Let’s hope the voters aren’t.
Call me a cynic but people are actually voting for them. I think the great unwashed are getting progressively stupider, so don’t act surprised when this mob actually get some power.
how good is team sports working as intended
Michael V said:
Obviousman said:
roughbarked said:Let’s hope the voters aren’t.
Call me a cynic but people are actually voting for them. I think the great unwashed are getting progressively stupider, so don’t act surprised when this mob actually get some power.
Well, the normal distribution of intelligence in a population indicates that half the population has below-average intelligence.
and the other half have less children because they are educated.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
Obviousman said:
Call me a cynic but people are actually voting for them. I think the great unwashed are getting progressively stupider, so don’t act surprised when this mob actually get some power.
Well, the normal distribution of intelligence in a population indicates that half the population has below-average intelligence.
and the other half have less children because they are educated.
well there should be a breeding class that is made available to the superior intellects as mating and childbearing subservients
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
Well, the normal distribution of intelligence in a population indicates that half the population has below-average intelligence.
and the other half have less children because they are educated.
well there should be a breeding class that is made available to the superior intellects as mating and childbearing subservients
I reckon you’d find the percentage of population were people are smart, intelligent and have logical deduction skills and the ability to see complex connections very low.
What also doesn’t help is stupid people believe the government has far more power to change the every day lives of people than it does
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
Obviousman said:Call me a cynic but people are actually voting for them. I think the great unwashed are getting progressively stupider, so don’t act surprised when this mob actually get some power.
Well, the normal distribution of intelligence in a population indicates that half the population has below-average intelligence.
and the other half have less children because they are educated.
We are breeding ourselves stupid.
Victoria is increasingly looking like an absolute blowout, with Labor reduced to something like 25 seats in the 88 seat assembly.
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Well, the normal distribution of intelligence in a population indicates that half the population has below-average intelligence.
and the other half have less children because they are educated.
We are breeding ourselves stupid.
It certainly does seem to be heading that way.
Spiny Norman said:
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:and the other half have less children because they are educated.
We are breeding ourselves stupid.
It certainly does seem to be heading that way.
A form of entropy > social disorder.
not foreign interference, just friends looking out for each other
https://youtu.be/jltRq_KlGH4?si=3His9vEe39Ere0Sa
Australia killed the duck curve – using batteries
dv said:
https://youtu.be/jltRq_KlGH4?si=3His9vEe39Ere0Sa
Australia killed the duck curve – using batteries
OK but that crazy talk was 1 month ago so they missed the most important bit
what was that 0200 charging scam all about
dv said:
https://youtu.be/jltRq_KlGH4?si=3His9vEe39Ere0SaAustralia killed the duck curve – using batteries
Cheers.
Thanks for posting that interesting and informative video about electricity pricing. (Mind you I had no idea what I was clicking on, because I’d never heard of a duck curve.)
:)
Albanese will tell the Atlantic Council’s Global Citizen Awards dinner on Wednesday night, where he will be honoured alongside Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Formula One chief Stefano Domenicali and actor and singer Cynthia Erivo.
…
What an odd event…
From the following article:
…
‘No longer fit for purpose’: Albanese warns of world order upheaval
Rob Harris
September 23, 2026 — 10:00pm
New York: Anthony Albanese will declare the post-1945 international order “no longer fit for purpose” and warn that Australia must help shape what replaces it as growing strategic competition between the United States and China transforms the Indo-Pacific.
In a major foreign policy address in New York, the prime minister will argue that the assumptions underpinning the global system since the end of the Cold War are being tested, forcing middle powers such as Australia to build new partnerships while defending the rules that remain essential.
“Since the end of the Cold War, the prevailing assumptions of international affairs were clear: openness was security; efficiency mattered more than resilience; and international rules would be observed as a matter of course,” Albanese will tell the Atlantic Council’s Global Citizen Awards dinner on Wednesday night, where he will be honoured alongside Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Formula One chief Stefano Domenicali and actor and singer Cynthia Erivo.
“Both those expectations are now being tested. The post-1945 world order is no longer fit for purpose. Universal institutions that remain necessary are now not always sufficient for the challenges we face.”
His speech carries echoes of the message Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney delivered nine months ago at the World Economic Forum at Davos, Switzerland, where he said the “old order is not coming back” and urged fellow middle powers to unite to find a new way.
As US President Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping prepare to meet at the White House on Thursday, Albanese sought several leaders of middle power nations, including Britain’s Andy Burnham, Carney and France’s Emmanuel Macron, to help build consensus on several issues, including the rise of artificial intelligence.
But efforts appear to have been fruitless, as Trump very publicly rejected the push from more than 20 leading economies several times in his UN address, saying he was interested only in the economic benefits of winning the technology race, and not regulating AI’s capacity.
Albanese was also at loggerheads with the Trump administration, which has condemned Australia’s plans to overhaul social media algorithms and regulate perceived harmful content. In a submission to the Albanese government, the US embassy described the reforms as “facilitating censorship”.
“It’s not about giving government control; it’s about giving people back control over what they receive on their devices, which is why it is framed in that way,” Albanese told journalists in New York.
The prime minister later met Trump at a UN leaders’ reception, posting a picture of the pair on his social media platforms saying it was “always good to catch up” with the president.
There is growing discontent within the group of middle powers at the lack of progress towards peace in the Middle East, Trump’s war against Iran, and Russia’s continued aerial bombardment of Ukraine after nearly five years. Several experts, including former prime minister Kevin Rudd, have also warned about the increased risk of conflict in the Indo-Pacific over Taiwan in the coming years.
Albanese will use his speech to set out a vision for Australia to help build a new international order rather than simply respond to the changes under way.
“Australia’s response to this is to actively seek to shape and build the order that replaces the old,” he will say, while preserving “the rules that matter most” and creating new partnerships and relationships.
The prime minister will identify the strategic competition between Washington and Beijing as the “most consequential factor” shaping the Indo-Pacific, while rejecting the idea that the region should be viewed solely through the prism of the two superpowers.
“Our alliance with the United States is the anchor of Australia’s foreign policy,” Albanese will say. But he will also reaffirm his government’s approach to China, Australia’s largest trading partner, saying the country would engage in the national interest.
“How Washington and Beijing manage their relationship matters profoundly,” he will say. “But it cannot be the only lens through which we see the region.”
“The Indo-Pacific is not a chessboard on which superpowers move the pieces. Its countries are not spectators. They are shaping its future and writing their own script.”
Albanese will argue that the upheaval of recent years, including war and the pandemic, has exposed the vulnerabilities of supply chains and forced governments to put resilience alongside economic efficiency.
“Governments must build the capacity to withstand shocks they did not cause and cannot control,” he will say.
That will include strengthening Australia’s sovereign capability while working with partners on economic security, critical supply chains and energy.
The Atlantic Council dinner is one of the high-profile events of UN General Assembly week, with more than 700 senior government, business, military, media and civil-society figures expected to attend.
Albanese is being recognised by the Washington-based think tank for his role in strengthening Australia’s alliances and partnerships and promoting security and stability across the Indo-Pacific.
His speech places particular emphasis on Australia’s expanding network of partnerships across the Indo-Pacific, including its relationship with ASEAN and a growing web of security agreements with Pacific nations.
He will describe the Pacific as “both a home and a family to Australia” and say the region’s priorities, sovereignty and culture must be respected.
“For our Pacific neighbours, climate change is the most immediate security threat,” Albanese will say.
“Building resilience without abandoning openness,” Albanese will say. “Strengthening regional partnerships without abandoning rules.”
And Australia would deepen its alliance with the United States and engage its largest trading partner, China, “without allowing either relationship to define who we are”.
“In an uncertain world, leadership means showing up for one another, sharing burdens and giving our neighbours greater power to shape their futures,” he will say.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/no-longer-fit-for-purpose-albanese-warns-of-world-order-upheaval-20260923-p60ztx.html
SCIENCE said:
not foreign interference, just friends looking out for each other
glad someone preagreed
Witty Rejoinder said:
Albanese will tell the Atlantic Council’s Global Citizen Awards dinner on Wednesday night, where he will be honoured alongside Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Formula One chief Stefano Domenicali and actor and singer Cynthia Erivo.…
What an odd event…
From the following article:
…
‘No longer fit for purpose’: Albanese warns of world order upheaval
Rob Harris
September 23, 2026 — 10:00pmNew York: Anthony Albanese will declare the post-1945 international order “no longer fit for purpose” and warn that Australia must help shape what replaces it as growing strategic competition between the United States and China transforms the Indo-Pacific.
In a major foreign policy address in New York, the prime minister will argue that the assumptions underpinning the global system since the end of the Cold War are being tested, forcing middle powers such as Australia to build new partnerships while defending the rules that remain essential.
“Since the end of the Cold War, the prevailing assumptions of international affairs were clear: openness was security; efficiency mattered more than resilience; and international rules would be observed as a matter of course,” Albanese will tell the Atlantic Council’s Global Citizen Awards dinner on Wednesday night, where he will be honoured alongside Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Formula One chief Stefano Domenicali and actor and singer Cynthia Erivo.
“Both those expectations are now being tested. The post-1945 world order is no longer fit for purpose. Universal institutions that remain necessary are now not always sufficient for the challenges we face.”
His speech carries echoes of the message Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney delivered nine months ago at the World Economic Forum at Davos, Switzerland, where he said the “old order is not coming back” and urged fellow middle powers to unite to find a new way.
As US President Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping prepare to meet at the White House on Thursday, Albanese sought several leaders of middle power nations, including Britain’s Andy Burnham, Carney and France’s Emmanuel Macron, to help build consensus on several issues, including the rise of artificial intelligence.
But efforts appear to have been fruitless, as Trump very publicly rejected the push from more than 20 leading economies several times in his UN address, saying he was interested only in the economic benefits of winning the technology race, and not regulating AI’s capacity.
Albanese was also at loggerheads with the Trump administration, which has condemned Australia’s plans to overhaul social media algorithms and regulate perceived harmful content. In a submission to the Albanese government, the US embassy described the reforms as “facilitating censorship”.
“It’s not about giving government control; it’s about giving people back control over what they receive on their devices, which is why it is framed in that way,” Albanese told journalists in New York.
The prime minister later met Trump at a UN leaders’ reception, posting a picture of the pair on his social media platforms saying it was “always good to catch up” with the president.
There is growing discontent within the group of middle powers at the lack of progress towards peace in the Middle East, Trump’s war against Iran, and Russia’s continued aerial bombardment of Ukraine after nearly five years. Several experts, including former prime minister Kevin Rudd, have also warned about the increased risk of conflict in the Indo-Pacific over Taiwan in the coming years.
Albanese will use his speech to set out a vision for Australia to help build a new international order rather than simply respond to the changes under way.
“Australia’s response to this is to actively seek to shape and build the order that replaces the old,” he will say, while preserving “the rules that matter most” and creating new partnerships and relationships.
The prime minister will identify the strategic competition between Washington and Beijing as the “most consequential factor” shaping the Indo-Pacific, while rejecting the idea that the region should be viewed solely through the prism of the two superpowers.
“Our alliance with the United States is the anchor of Australia’s foreign policy,” Albanese will say. But he will also reaffirm his government’s approach to China, Australia’s largest trading partner, saying the country would engage in the national interest.
“How Washington and Beijing manage their relationship matters profoundly,” he will say. “But it cannot be the only lens through which we see the region.”
“The Indo-Pacific is not a chessboard on which superpowers move the pieces. Its countries are not spectators. They are shaping its future and writing their own script.”
Albanese will argue that the upheaval of recent years, including war and the pandemic, has exposed the vulnerabilities of supply chains and forced governments to put resilience alongside economic efficiency.
“Governments must build the capacity to withstand shocks they did not cause and cannot control,” he will say.
That will include strengthening Australia’s sovereign capability while working with partners on economic security, critical supply chains and energy.
The Atlantic Council dinner is one of the high-profile events of UN General Assembly week, with more than 700 senior government, business, military, media and civil-society figures expected to attend.
Albanese is being recognised by the Washington-based think tank for his role in strengthening Australia’s alliances and partnerships and promoting security and stability across the Indo-Pacific.
His speech places particular emphasis on Australia’s expanding network of partnerships across the Indo-Pacific, including its relationship with ASEAN and a growing web of security agreements with Pacific nations.
He will describe the Pacific as “both a home and a family to Australia” and say the region’s priorities, sovereignty and culture must be respected.
“For our Pacific neighbours, climate change is the most immediate security threat,” Albanese will say.
“Building resilience without abandoning openness,” Albanese will say. “Strengthening regional partnerships without abandoning rules.”
And Australia would deepen its alliance with the United States and engage its largest trading partner, China, “without allowing either relationship to define who we are”.
“In an uncertain world, leadership means showing up for one another, sharing burdens and giving our neighbours greater power to shape their futures,” he will say.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/no-longer-fit-for-purpose-albanese-warns-of-world-order-upheaval-20260923-p60ztx.html
Didn’t Australia drop the ball here? Thus allowing the Chinese to use a lot of soft power?
ms spock said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Albanese will tell the Atlantic Council’s Global Citizen Awards dinner on Wednesday night, where he will be honoured alongside Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Formula One chief Stefano Domenicali and actor and singer Cynthia Erivo.…
What an odd event…
From the following article:
…
‘No longer fit for purpose’: Albanese warns of world order upheaval
Rob Harris
September 23, 2026 — 10:00pmNew York: Anthony Albanese will declare the post-1945 international order “no longer fit for purpose” and warn that Australia must help shape what replaces it as growing strategic competition between the United States and China transforms the Indo-Pacific.
In a major foreign policy address in New York, the prime minister will argue that the assumptions underpinning the global system since the end of the Cold War are being tested, forcing middle powers such as Australia to build new partnerships while defending the rules that remain essential.
“Since the end of the Cold War, the prevailing assumptions of international affairs were clear: openness was security; efficiency mattered more than resilience; and international rules would be observed as a matter of course,” Albanese will tell the Atlantic Council’s Global Citizen Awards dinner on Wednesday night, where he will be honoured alongside Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Formula One chief Stefano Domenicali and actor and singer Cynthia Erivo.
“Both those expectations are now being tested. The post-1945 world order is no longer fit for purpose. Universal institutions that remain necessary are now not always sufficient for the challenges we face.”
His speech carries echoes of the message Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney delivered nine months ago at the World Economic Forum at Davos, Switzerland, where he said the “old order is not coming back” and urged fellow middle powers to unite to find a new way.
As US President Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping prepare to meet at the White House on Thursday, Albanese sought several leaders of middle power nations, including Britain’s Andy Burnham, Carney and France’s Emmanuel Macron, to help build consensus on several issues, including the rise of artificial intelligence.
But efforts appear to have been fruitless, as Trump very publicly rejected the push from more than 20 leading economies several times in his UN address, saying he was interested only in the economic benefits of winning the technology race, and not regulating AI’s capacity.
Albanese was also at loggerheads with the Trump administration, which has condemned Australia’s plans to overhaul social media algorithms and regulate perceived harmful content. In a submission to the Albanese government, the US embassy described the reforms as “facilitating censorship”.
“It’s not about giving government control; it’s about giving people back control over what they receive on their devices, which is why it is framed in that way,” Albanese told journalists in New York.
The prime minister later met Trump at a UN leaders’ reception, posting a picture of the pair on his social media platforms saying it was “always good to catch up” with the president.
There is growing discontent within the group of middle powers at the lack of progress towards peace in the Middle East, Trump’s war against Iran, and Russia’s continued aerial bombardment of Ukraine after nearly five years. Several experts, including former prime minister Kevin Rudd, have also warned about the increased risk of conflict in the Indo-Pacific over Taiwan in the coming years.
Albanese will use his speech to set out a vision for Australia to help build a new international order rather than simply respond to the changes under way.
“Australia’s response to this is to actively seek to shape and build the order that replaces the old,” he will say, while preserving “the rules that matter most” and creating new partnerships and relationships.
The prime minister will identify the strategic competition between Washington and Beijing as the “most consequential factor” shaping the Indo-Pacific, while rejecting the idea that the region should be viewed solely through the prism of the two superpowers.
“Our alliance with the United States is the anchor of Australia’s foreign policy,” Albanese will say. But he will also reaffirm his government’s approach to China, Australia’s largest trading partner, saying the country would engage in the national interest.
“How Washington and Beijing manage their relationship matters profoundly,” he will say. “But it cannot be the only lens through which we see the region.”
“The Indo-Pacific is not a chessboard on which superpowers move the pieces. Its countries are not spectators. They are shaping its future and writing their own script.”
Albanese will argue that the upheaval of recent years, including war and the pandemic, has exposed the vulnerabilities of supply chains and forced governments to put resilience alongside economic efficiency.
“Governments must build the capacity to withstand shocks they did not cause and cannot control,” he will say.
That will include strengthening Australia’s sovereign capability while working with partners on economic security, critical supply chains and energy.
The Atlantic Council dinner is one of the high-profile events of UN General Assembly week, with more than 700 senior government, business, military, media and civil-society figures expected to attend.
Albanese is being recognised by the Washington-based think tank for his role in strengthening Australia’s alliances and partnerships and promoting security and stability across the Indo-Pacific.
His speech places particular emphasis on Australia’s expanding network of partnerships across the Indo-Pacific, including its relationship with ASEAN and a growing web of security agreements with Pacific nations.
He will describe the Pacific as “both a home and a family to Australia” and say the region’s priorities, sovereignty and culture must be respected.
“For our Pacific neighbours, climate change is the most immediate security threat,” Albanese will say.
“Building resilience without abandoning openness,” Albanese will say. “Strengthening regional partnerships without abandoning rules.”
And Australia would deepen its alliance with the United States and engage its largest trading partner, China, “without allowing either relationship to define who we are”.
“In an uncertain world, leadership means showing up for one another, sharing burdens and giving our neighbours greater power to shape their futures,” he will say.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/no-longer-fit-for-purpose-albanese-warns-of-world-order-upheaval-20260923-p60ztx.html
Didn’t Australia drop the ball here? Thus allowing the Chinese to use a lot of soft power?
Like in the Pacific? Australia has recently massively increased aid but has always concentrated on health and education initiatives. China is more prone to building stadiums and government buildings etc. Also Australia has a very close relationship with the police and military in the region, called upon when there is political unrest, whereas China sends to be more keen on garrisoning forces to, perhaps understandably, protect Chinese migrant communities living there.
In all I think the willingness of our Pacific neighbours to recently enhance relationships with Australia and push back on China is demonstrative of the trust they place in Australia and the effectiveness of our engagement in the region.
As for the wider Belt & Road program globally there has been some pushback from nations unhappy with the debt incurred and the political interference that has come with Chinese investment. See the example of Chinese Belt & Road investments in Sri Lanka.
Overall China’s rise has been peaceful and helpful and their soft power has increased but any advantage in the past few years has largely been overshadowed by the collapse in US soft power because of Trump’s insanity.
Considering Australian soft power on its own I think it has argely held up even with China greater engagement globally.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Albanese will tell the Atlantic Council’s Global Citizen Awards dinner on Wednesday night, where he will be honoured alongside Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Formula One chief Stefano Domenicali and actor and singer Cynthia Erivo.…
What an odd event…
From the following article:
…
‘No longer fit for purpose’: Albanese warns of world order upheaval
Rob Harris
September 23, 2026 — 10:00pmNew York: Anthony Albanese will declare the post-1945 international order “no longer fit for purpose” and warn that Australia must help shape what replaces it as growing strategic competition between the United States and China transforms the Indo-Pacific.
In a major foreign policy address in New York, the prime minister will argue that the assumptions underpinning the global system since the end of the Cold War are being tested, forcing middle powers such as Australia to build new partnerships while defending the rules that remain essential.
“Since the end of the Cold War, the prevailing assumptions of international affairs were clear: openness was security; efficiency mattered more than resilience; and international rules would be observed as a matter of course,” Albanese will tell the Atlantic Council’s Global Citizen Awards dinner on Wednesday night, where he will be honoured alongside Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Formula One chief Stefano Domenicali and actor and singer Cynthia Erivo.
“Both those expectations are now being tested. The post-1945 world order is no longer fit for purpose. Universal institutions that remain necessary are now not always sufficient for the challenges we face.”
His speech carries echoes of the message Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney delivered nine months ago at the World Economic Forum at Davos, Switzerland, where he said the “old order is not coming back” and urged fellow middle powers to unite to find a new way.
As US President Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping prepare to meet at the White House on Thursday, Albanese sought several leaders of middle power nations, including Britain’s Andy Burnham, Carney and France’s Emmanuel Macron, to help build consensus on several issues, including the rise of artificial intelligence.
But efforts appear to have been fruitless, as Trump very publicly rejected the push from more than 20 leading economies several times in his UN address, saying he was interested only in the economic benefits of winning the technology race, and not regulating AI’s capacity.
Albanese was also at loggerheads with the Trump administration, which has condemned Australia’s plans to overhaul social media algorithms and regulate perceived harmful content. In a submission to the Albanese government, the US embassy described the reforms as “facilitating censorship”.
“It’s not about giving government control; it’s about giving people back control over what they receive on their devices, which is why it is framed in that way,” Albanese told journalists in New York.
The prime minister later met Trump at a UN leaders’ reception, posting a picture of the pair on his social media platforms saying it was “always good to catch up” with the president.
There is growing discontent within the group of middle powers at the lack of progress towards peace in the Middle East, Trump’s war against Iran, and Russia’s continued aerial bombardment of Ukraine after nearly five years. Several experts, including former prime minister Kevin Rudd, have also warned about the increased risk of conflict in the Indo-Pacific over Taiwan in the coming years.
Albanese will use his speech to set out a vision for Australia to help build a new international order rather than simply respond to the changes under way.
“Australia’s response to this is to actively seek to shape and build the order that replaces the old,” he will say, while preserving “the rules that matter most” and creating new partnerships and relationships.
The prime minister will identify the strategic competition between Washington and Beijing as the “most consequential factor” shaping the Indo-Pacific, while rejecting the idea that the region should be viewed solely through the prism of the two superpowers.
“Our alliance with the United States is the anchor of Australia’s foreign policy,” Albanese will say. But he will also reaffirm his government’s approach to China, Australia’s largest trading partner, saying the country would engage in the national interest.
“How Washington and Beijing manage their relationship matters profoundly,” he will say. “But it cannot be the only lens through which we see the region.”
“The Indo-Pacific is not a chessboard on which superpowers move the pieces. Its countries are not spectators. They are shaping its future and writing their own script.”
Albanese will argue that the upheaval of recent years, including war and the pandemic, has exposed the vulnerabilities of supply chains and forced governments to put resilience alongside economic efficiency.
“Governments must build the capacity to withstand shocks they did not cause and cannot control,” he will say.
That will include strengthening Australia’s sovereign capability while working with partners on economic security, critical supply chains and energy.
The Atlantic Council dinner is one of the high-profile events of UN General Assembly week, with more than 700 senior government, business, military, media and civil-society figures expected to attend.
Albanese is being recognised by the Washington-based think tank for his role in strengthening Australia’s alliances and partnerships and promoting security and stability across the Indo-Pacific.
His speech places particular emphasis on Australia’s expanding network of partnerships across the Indo-Pacific, including its relationship with ASEAN and a growing web of security agreements with Pacific nations.
He will describe the Pacific as “both a home and a family to Australia” and say the region’s priorities, sovereignty and culture must be respected.
“For our Pacific neighbours, climate change is the most immediate security threat,” Albanese will say.
“Building resilience without abandoning openness,” Albanese will say. “Strengthening regional partnerships without abandoning rules.”
And Australia would deepen its alliance with the United States and engage its largest trading partner, China, “without allowing either relationship to define who we are”.
“In an uncertain world, leadership means showing up for one another, sharing burdens and giving our neighbours greater power to shape their futures,” he will say.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/no-longer-fit-for-purpose-albanese-warns-of-world-order-upheaval-20260923-p60ztx.html
Didn’t Australia drop the ball here? Thus allowing the Chinese to use a lot of soft power?
Like in the Pacific? Australia has recently massively increased aid but has always concentrated on health and education initiatives. China is more prone to building stadiums and government buildings etc. Also Australia has a very close relationship with the police and military in the region, called upon when there is political unrest, whereas China sends to be more keen on garrisoning forces to, perhaps understandably, protect Chinese migrant communities living there.
In all I think the willingness of our Pacific neighbours to recently enhance relationships with Australia and push back on China is demonstrative of the trust they place in Australia and the effectiveness of our engagement in the region.
As for the wider Belt & Road program globally there has been some pushback from nations unhappy with the debt incurred and the political interference that has come with Chinese investment. See the example of Chinese Belt & Road investments in Sri Lanka.
Overall China’s rise has been peaceful and helpful and their soft power has increased but any advantage in the past few years has largely been overshadowed by the collapse in US soft power because of Trump’s insanity.
Considering Australian soft power on its own I think it has argely held up even with China greater engagement globally.
Interesting. You tie a lot of threads together.
I read Australia dropped the ball in the Pacific allowing China a foot hold. That it is not so pronounced is a good thing.
Though it was not sensible to sell them the port in Darwin.
“… there has been some pushback from nations unhappy with the debt incurred and the political interference that has come with Chinese investment.”
This is the ‘China in, China out’ dilemma.
That is, it’s very easy to get China involved in your country with civic works etc.
But, it’s extremely difficult to get them out again when the projects are done.
There are countries, esp. in Africa, which took in numbers of Chinese advisers and technicians for the construction of works. But, when the work was done, China found all sort of reasons why the advisers and techs should hang around, and there they remain.
Techs and advisers leave, but are replaced by others, so that the total never diminishes.
In some cases, the Chinese ‘compounds’ have become more or less autonomous zones, even outside of the jurisdiction of local police.
Chinese techs and advisers have been known to get large quantities of manufactured goods, like phones and radios and such, sent from China (no customs or import duties paid to their host country), and then sell them at prices local sellers can’t compete with, driving locals out of business and establishing Chinese control of some of the local economy.
ms spock said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:Didn’t Australia drop the ball here? Thus allowing the Chinese to use a lot of soft power?
Like in the Pacific? Australia has recently massively increased aid but has always concentrated on health and education initiatives. China is more prone to building stadiums and government buildings etc. Also Australia has a very close relationship with the police and military in the region, called upon when there is political unrest, whereas China sends to be more keen on garrisoning forces to, perhaps understandably, protect Chinese migrant communities living there.
In all I think the willingness of our Pacific neighbours to recently enhance relationships with Australia and push back on China is demonstrative of the trust they place in Australia and the effectiveness of our engagement in the region.
As for the wider Belt & Road program globally there has been some pushback from nations unhappy with the debt incurred and the political interference that has come with Chinese investment. See the example of Chinese Belt & Road investments in Sri Lanka.
Overall China’s rise has been peaceful and helpful and their soft power has increased but any advantage in the past few years has largely been overshadowed by the collapse in US soft power because of Trump’s insanity.
Considering Australian soft power on its own I think it has argely held up even with China greater engagement globally.
Interesting. You tie a lot of threads together.
I read Australia dropped the ball in the Pacific allowing China a foot hold. That it is not so pronounced is a good thing.
Though it was not sensible to sell them the port in Darwin.
we think it’s wise to co-operate with a neighbour that respects international rules based law and order
sure
Anthony Albanese laments ‘breakdown’ of global rules in major UN speech
so how did we go in holding all the special military operators in the past 6 years to account then
at least there are no war criminals among allies
nor prolific paedophiles
My mate Julian Leeser sent me an e-mail. I’d be interested to know what others think, especially those directly involved with education:
“Dear Berowra resident,
Last weekend I announced the Coalition’s policy to restore excellence to Australian schools.
We are 18 months from the next election, but I want to make sure people know and understand what our education policy is.
Input from people across the Berowra electorate and beyond has been central to our policy development process, and I thank everyone who has shared their perspective with me since I became Shadow Minister last October.
Across the electorate we have wonderful government, Catholic, and independent schools with dedicated teachers and engaged parent communities.
But across Australia something is wrong with the education system, and recent international test results bear this out.
The quality of the Australian education system is becoming a serious national issue, and we as a country need to make some drastic improvements.
The simple fact is that Australia is spending at record levels on schools, but our academic performance is worse than ever.
Compared with the early 2000s, 15-year-olds are about two years behind where they used to be.
The problems are clear; the curriculum is vague and overcrowded, our classrooms are some of the most disrupted in the world, and we have embraced individual screens in our classrooms. We have a shortage of teachers, but it’s harder these days to become a teacher. The evidence about these problems is broad and compelling.
We need to restore excellence to Australian schools. The measures I announced last weekend are the first steps along this path.
The first measure I called for was root and branch reform of our curriculum. The National Curriculum is both vague in its content and overcrowded. I am yet to meet a single person who sings its praises, and it is clear that the curriculum is part of the problem.
We need a shorter, more precise curriculum. Critically, this shorter curriculum must give time back to teachers and principals.
As a start, I called for the cross-curriculum priorities to be removed. Cross-curriculum priorities are ‘thematic’ topics which are designed to be woven into every other class – whether it is maths, science, geography or something else.
We have three cross-curricular priorities: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Histories and Cultures, Asia and Australia’s Engagement with Asia, and Sustainability.
All three subjects are important. Let me be clear that I want Australian children to have a strong understanding of Indigenous history and culture, our relationship with Asia and of the importance of sustainability.
But the current approach gets it wrong.
Because they are spread out across every other class, schools can’t deliver the teaching points in a carefully sequenced way, and almost by definition they’re not always being delivered by teachers with expertise in the topic. It disrespects the subject matter, and it is not fair on teachers. These issues should be taught as stand-alone carefully sequenced topics in history, geography or science.
The second issue is about cultivating pride in our country. There are three great strands to the Australian story, and each should be taught with pride: our Indigenous heritage, our British foundations, and our multicultural character.
Australian society did not emerge by accident. I want our students to understand and take pride in our achievements. Western culture and Australian values have given us so many things to be proud of, like the equality of men and women, the rule of law, and universal voting with secret ballots. These are great things which bind our country together and which every child should learn.
The third issue is about classroom behaviour and discipline. When I got local P&C leaders together recently, they told me that discipline was a big issue in our schools – concerns were raised about everything from being presentable in school uniforms to classroom behaviour.
The latest reports from PISA and the Centre for Independent Studies say that Australian classrooms are hugely disrupted compared to other nations. Behaviour is a learning issue, and it is a safety and wellbeing issue. But it is not the responsibility of teachers alone.
Education is a partnership between parents and teachers, and schools and students. I have said that the Coalition will support every school community to develop a clear statement of behavioural expectations, and will back in teachers and principals to enforce those standards.
Fourth, I spoke about streamlining the path to become a teacher. I spoke about the return to one-year post graduate teaching qualifications, which was standard practice until the early 2010s when we switched to two-year degrees. The effect has been disastrous. According to the NSW productivity Commission, between 2015 and 2022, NSW alone missed out on 9,000 new teachers because of the added cost and time, and we haven’t seen a lift in performance.
And why not explore new options, like the idea I floated about giving veterans an easier pathway into teaching? The ADF is known for its discipline, for its service ethos, and almost every junior non-commissioned officer and above will routinely teach as part of their role. Why not allow them to continue to serve our country after they put away the uniform, by supporting those who are interested to become qualified teachers?
The fifth policy commitment is drastically reducing screen time and AI use in schools. I have been talking about this issue since my first interview as Shadow Minister. The evidence about the adverse impact of screens is broad and compelling, and has been shared with me personally by neuroscientists undertaking research in this area. Under our approach, the starting point will be that if screens are used, their use must be specifically justified. We would remove routine device usage where there is no clear learning purpose, to protect children’s attention-span and sustain reading, handwriting, discussion and teacher-led instruction.
The sixth commitment is a focus on lifting boys’ education while maintaining strong outcomes for girls. Boys continue to trail girls on all the NAPLAN literacy assessments – reading, writing, spelling, grammar and punctuation – and this trend also shows up in PISA. We are seeing the literacy gap faced by boys become wider, and this is flowing into falling levels of tertiary education completion amongst young men. If we care about improving student success, we cannot overlook the performance of our boys through the education system.
The final policy is the Coalition’s School Funding Guarantee. The Federal Coalition will honour the levels of school funding in existing agreements with states and territories, providing the funding certainty to focus policy work on education quality, not ongoing funding disputes.
It’s time to be honest about how our education system is failing our kids, and the fact that we need serious change. We can’t keep doing more of the same and expect different results.
I make no apologies for saying that excellence should be the focus of the Australian education system. We owe it to our children and our country to set them up for success.
You can read my full speech here, or watch it on YouTube here. I’m keen to have your feedback.
Kind regards,
Julian Leeser MP”
The Rev Dodgson said:
My mate Julian Leeser sent me an e-mail. I’d be interested to know what others think, especially those directly involved with education:“Dear Berowra resident,
Last weekend I announced the Coalition’s policy to restore excellence to Australian schools.
We are 18 months from the next election, but I want to make sure people know and understand what our education policy is.
Input from people across the Berowra electorate and beyond has been central to our policy development process, and I thank everyone who has shared their perspective with me since I became Shadow Minister last October.
Across the electorate we have wonderful government, Catholic, and independent schools with dedicated teachers and engaged parent communities.
But across Australia something is wrong with the education system, and recent international test results bear this out.
The quality of the Australian education system is becoming a serious national issue, and we as a country need to make some drastic improvements.
The simple fact is that Australia is spending at record levels on schools, but our academic performance is worse than ever.
Compared with the early 2000s, 15-year-olds are about two years behind where they used to be.
The problems are clear; the curriculum is vague and overcrowded, our classrooms are some of the most disrupted in the world, and we have embraced individual screens in our classrooms. We have a shortage of teachers, but it’s harder these days to become a teacher. The evidence about these problems is broad and compelling.
We need to restore excellence to Australian schools. The measures I announced last weekend are the first steps along this path.
The first measure I called for was root and branch reform of our curriculum. The National Curriculum is both vague in its content and overcrowded. I am yet to meet a single person who sings its praises, and it is clear that the curriculum is part of the problem.
We need a shorter, more precise curriculum. Critically, this shorter curriculum must give time back to teachers and principals.
As a start, I called for the cross-curriculum priorities to be removed. Cross-curriculum priorities are ‘thematic’ topics which are designed to be woven into every other class – whether it is maths, science, geography or something else.
We have three cross-curricular priorities: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Histories and Cultures, Asia and Australia’s Engagement with Asia, and Sustainability.
All three subjects are important. Let me be clear that I want Australian children to have a strong understanding of Indigenous history and culture, our relationship with Asia and of the importance of sustainability.
But the current approach gets it wrong.
Because they are spread out across every other class, schools can’t deliver the teaching points in a carefully sequenced way, and almost by definition they’re not always being delivered by teachers with expertise in the topic. It disrespects the subject matter, and it is not fair on teachers. These issues should be taught as stand-alone carefully sequenced topics in history, geography or science.
The second issue is about cultivating pride in our country. There are three great strands to the Australian story, and each should be taught with pride: our Indigenous heritage, our British foundations, and our multicultural character.
Australian society did not emerge by accident. I want our students to understand and take pride in our achievements. Western culture and Australian values have given us so many things to be proud of, like the equality of men and women, the rule of law, and universal voting with secret ballots. These are great things which bind our country together and which every child should learn.
The third issue is about classroom behaviour and discipline. When I got local P&C leaders together recently, they told me that discipline was a big issue in our schools – concerns were raised about everything from being presentable in school uniforms to classroom behaviour.
The latest reports from PISA and the Centre for Independent Studies say that Australian classrooms are hugely disrupted compared to other nations. Behaviour is a learning issue, and it is a safety and wellbeing issue. But it is not the responsibility of teachers alone.
Education is a partnership between parents and teachers, and schools and students. I have said that the Coalition will support every school community to develop a clear statement of behavioural expectations, and will back in teachers and principals to enforce those standards.
Fourth, I spoke about streamlining the path to become a teacher. I spoke about the return to one-year post graduate teaching qualifications, which was standard practice until the early 2010s when we switched to two-year degrees. The effect has been disastrous. According to the NSW productivity Commission, between 2015 and 2022, NSW alone missed out on 9,000 new teachers because of the added cost and time, and we haven’t seen a lift in performance.
And why not explore new options, like the idea I floated about giving veterans an easier pathway into teaching? The ADF is known for its discipline, for its service ethos, and almost every junior non-commissioned officer and above will routinely teach as part of their role. Why not allow them to continue to serve our country after they put away the uniform, by supporting those who are interested to become qualified teachers?
The fifth policy commitment is drastically reducing screen time and AI use in schools. I have been talking about this issue since my first interview as Shadow Minister. The evidence about the adverse impact of screens is broad and compelling, and has been shared with me personally by neuroscientists undertaking research in this area. Under our approach, the starting point will be that if screens are used, their use must be specifically justified. We would remove routine device usage where there is no clear learning purpose, to protect children’s attention-span and sustain reading, handwriting, discussion and teacher-led instruction.
The sixth commitment is a focus on lifting boys’ education while maintaining strong outcomes for girls. Boys continue to trail girls on all the NAPLAN literacy assessments – reading, writing, spelling, grammar and punctuation – and this trend also shows up in PISA. We are seeing the literacy gap faced by boys become wider, and this is flowing into falling levels of tertiary education completion amongst young men. If we care about improving student success, we cannot overlook the performance of our boys through the education system.
The final policy is the Coalition’s School Funding Guarantee. The Federal Coalition will honour the levels of school funding in existing agreements with states and territories, providing the funding certainty to focus policy work on education quality, not ongoing funding disputes.
It’s time to be honest about how our education system is failing our kids, and the fact that we need serious change. We can’t keep doing more of the same and expect different results.
I make no apologies for saying that excellence should be the focus of the Australian education system. We owe it to our children and our country to set them up for success.
You can read my full speech here, or watch it on YouTube here. I’m keen to have your feedback.
Kind regards,
Julian Leeser MP”
I think young people have way too many distractions, there are movies, computer games,
Mobile phones, AI, relationships, I think it all adds up.
Greetings
There is weather outside.
I am so tired and weary that I can barely move. I think that I packed in way too much this week. I have been going to bed way too late and getting up too early. And trying to do too much.
After the tradie attacked me in the house lay December. I have high anxiety and /or panic attacks. It’s really annoying and draining. So I am in the caravan
I just have to write two more emails to the Insurance Company and provide evidence.
What a fatuous argument!
The Rev Dodgson said:
My mate Julian Leeser sent me an e-mail. I’d be interested to know what others think, especially those directly involved with education:“Dear Berowra resident,
Last weekend I announced the Coalition’s policy to restore excellence to Australian schools.
We are 18 months from the next election, but I want to make sure people know and understand what our education policy is.
Input from people across the Berowra electorate and beyond has been central to our policy development process, and I thank everyone who has shared their perspective with me since I became Shadow Minister last October.
Across the electorate we have wonderful government, Catholic, and independent schools with dedicated teachers and engaged parent communities.
But across Australia something is wrong with the education system, and recent international test results bear this out.
The quality of the Australian education system is becoming a serious national issue, and we as a country need to make some drastic improvements.
The simple fact is that Australia is spending at record levels on schools, but our academic performance is worse than ever.
Compared with the early 2000s, 15-year-olds are about two years behind where they used to be.
The problems are clear; the curriculum is vague and overcrowded, our classrooms are some of the most disrupted in the world, and we have embraced individual screens in our classrooms. We have a shortage of teachers, but it’s harder these days to become a teacher. The evidence about these problems is broad and compelling.
We need to restore excellence to Australian schools. The measures I announced last weekend are the first steps along this path.
The first measure I called for was root and branch reform of our curriculum. The National Curriculum is both vague in its content and overcrowded. I am yet to meet a single person who sings its praises, and it is clear that the curriculum is part of the problem.
We need a shorter, more precise curriculum. Critically, this shorter curriculum must give time back to teachers and principals.
As a start, I called for the cross-curriculum priorities to be removed. Cross-curriculum priorities are ‘thematic’ topics which are designed to be woven into every other class – whether it is maths, science, geography or something else.
We have three cross-curricular priorities: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Histories and Cultures, Asia and Australia’s Engagement with Asia, and Sustainability.
All three subjects are important. Let me be clear that I want Australian children to have a strong understanding of Indigenous history and culture, our relationship with Asia and of the importance of sustainability.
But the current approach gets it wrong.
Because they are spread out across every other class, schools can’t deliver the teaching points in a carefully sequenced way, and almost by definition they’re not always being delivered by teachers with expertise in the topic. It disrespects the subject matter, and it is not fair on teachers. These issues should be taught as stand-alone carefully sequenced topics in history, geography or science.
The second issue is about cultivating pride in our country. There are three great strands to the Australian story, and each should be taught with pride: our Indigenous heritage, our British foundations, and our multicultural character.
Australian society did not emerge by accident. I want our students to understand and take pride in our achievements. Western culture and Australian values have given us so many things to be proud of, like the equality of men and women, the rule of law, and universal voting with secret ballots. These are great things which bind our country together and which every child should learn.
The third issue is about classroom behaviour and discipline. When I got local P&C leaders together recently, they told me that discipline was a big issue in our schools – concerns were raised about everything from being presentable in school uniforms to classroom behaviour.
The latest reports from PISA and the Centre for Independent Studies say that Australian classrooms are hugely disrupted compared to other nations. Behaviour is a learning issue, and it is a safety and wellbeing issue. But it is not the responsibility of teachers alone.
Education is a partnership between parents and teachers, and schools and students. I have said that the Coalition will support every school community to develop a clear statement of behavioural expectations, and will back in teachers and principals to enforce those standards.
Fourth, I spoke about streamlining the path to become a teacher. I spoke about the return to one-year post graduate teaching qualifications, which was standard practice until the early 2010s when we switched to two-year degrees. The effect has been disastrous. According to the NSW productivity Commission, between 2015 and 2022, NSW alone missed out on 9,000 new teachers because of the added cost and time, and we haven’t seen a lift in performance.
And why not explore new options, like the idea I floated about giving veterans an easier pathway into teaching? The ADF is known for its discipline, for its service ethos, and almost every junior non-commissioned officer and above will routinely teach as part of their role. Why not allow them to continue to serve our country after they put away the uniform, by supporting those who are interested to become qualified teachers?
The fifth policy commitment is drastically reducing screen time and AI use in schools. I have been talking about this issue since my first interview as Shadow Minister. The evidence about the adverse impact of screens is broad and compelling, and has been shared with me personally by neuroscientists undertaking research in this area. Under our approach, the starting point will be that if screens are used, their use must be specifically justified. We would remove routine device usage where there is no clear learning purpose, to protect children’s attention-span and sustain reading, handwriting, discussion and teacher-led instruction.
The sixth commitment is a focus on lifting boys’ education while maintaining strong outcomes for girls. Boys continue to trail girls on all the NAPLAN literacy assessments – reading, writing, spelling, grammar and punctuation – and this trend also shows up in PISA. We are seeing the literacy gap faced by boys become wider, and this is flowing into falling levels of tertiary education completion amongst young men. If we care about improving student success, we cannot overlook the performance of our boys through the education system.
The final policy is the Coalition’s School Funding Guarantee. The Federal Coalition will honour the levels of school funding in existing agreements with states and territories, providing the funding certainty to focus policy work on education quality, not ongoing funding disputes.
It’s time to be honest about how our education system is failing our kids, and the fact that we need serious change. We can’t keep doing more of the same and expect different results.
I make no apologies for saying that excellence should be the focus of the Australian education system. We owe it to our children and our country to set them up for success.
You can read my full speech here, or watch it on YouTube here. I’m keen to have your feedback.
Kind regards,
Julian Leeser MP”
All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
My mate Julian Leeser sent me an e-mail. I’d be interested to know what others think, especially those directly involved with education:“Dear Berowra resident,
Last weekend I announced the Coalition’s policy to restore excellence to Australian schools.
We are 18 months from the next election, but I want to make sure people know and understand what our education policy is.
Input from people across the Berowra electorate and beyond has been central to our policy development process, and I thank everyone who has shared their perspective with me since I became Shadow Minister last October.
Across the electorate we have wonderful government, Catholic, and independent schools with dedicated teachers and engaged parent communities.
But across Australia something is wrong with the education system, and recent international test results bear this out.
The quality of the Australian education system is becoming a serious national issue, and we as a country need to make some drastic improvements.
The simple fact is that Australia is spending at record levels on schools, but our academic performance is worse than ever.
Compared with the early 2000s, 15-year-olds are about two years behind where they used to be.
The problems are clear; the curriculum is vague and overcrowded, our classrooms are some of the most disrupted in the world, and we have embraced individual screens in our classrooms. We have a shortage of teachers, but it’s harder these days to become a teacher. The evidence about these problems is broad and compelling.
We need to restore excellence to Australian schools. The measures I announced last weekend are the first steps along this path.
The first measure I called for was root and branch reform of our curriculum. The National Curriculum is both vague in its content and overcrowded. I am yet to meet a single person who sings its praises, and it is clear that the curriculum is part of the problem.
We need a shorter, more precise curriculum. Critically, this shorter curriculum must give time back to teachers and principals.
As a start, I called for the cross-curriculum priorities to be removed. Cross-curriculum priorities are ‘thematic’ topics which are designed to be woven into every other class – whether it is maths, science, geography or something else.
We have three cross-curricular priorities: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Histories and Cultures, Asia and Australia’s Engagement with Asia, and Sustainability.
All three subjects are important. Let me be clear that I want Australian children to have a strong understanding of Indigenous history and culture, our relationship with Asia and of the importance of sustainability.
But the current approach gets it wrong.
Because they are spread out across every other class, schools can’t deliver the teaching points in a carefully sequenced way, and almost by definition they’re not always being delivered by teachers with expertise in the topic. It disrespects the subject matter, and it is not fair on teachers. These issues should be taught as stand-alone carefully sequenced topics in history, geography or science.
The second issue is about cultivating pride in our country. There are three great strands to the Australian story, and each should be taught with pride: our Indigenous heritage, our British foundations, and our multicultural character.
Australian society did not emerge by accident. I want our students to understand and take pride in our achievements. Western culture and Australian values have given us so many things to be proud of, like the equality of men and women, the rule of law, and universal voting with secret ballots. These are great things which bind our country together and which every child should learn.
The third issue is about classroom behaviour and discipline. When I got local P&C leaders together recently, they told me that discipline was a big issue in our schools – concerns were raised about everything from being presentable in school uniforms to classroom behaviour.
The latest reports from PISA and the Centre for Independent Studies say that Australian classrooms are hugely disrupted compared to other nations. Behaviour is a learning issue, and it is a safety and wellbeing issue. But it is not the responsibility of teachers alone.
Education is a partnership between parents and teachers, and schools and students. I have said that the Coalition will support every school community to develop a clear statement of behavioural expectations, and will back in teachers and principals to enforce those standards.
Fourth, I spoke about streamlining the path to become a teacher. I spoke about the return to one-year post graduate teaching qualifications, which was standard practice until the early 2010s when we switched to two-year degrees. The effect has been disastrous. According to the NSW productivity Commission, between 2015 and 2022, NSW alone missed out on 9,000 new teachers because of the added cost and time, and we haven’t seen a lift in performance.
And why not explore new options, like the idea I floated about giving veterans an easier pathway into teaching? The ADF is known for its discipline, for its service ethos, and almost every junior non-commissioned officer and above will routinely teach as part of their role. Why not allow them to continue to serve our country after they put away the uniform, by supporting those who are interested to become qualified teachers?
The fifth policy commitment is drastically reducing screen time and AI use in schools. I have been talking about this issue since my first interview as Shadow Minister. The evidence about the adverse impact of screens is broad and compelling, and has been shared with me personally by neuroscientists undertaking research in this area. Under our approach, the starting point will be that if screens are used, their use must be specifically justified. We would remove routine device usage where there is no clear learning purpose, to protect children’s attention-span and sustain reading, handwriting, discussion and teacher-led instruction.
The sixth commitment is a focus on lifting boys’ education while maintaining strong outcomes for girls. Boys continue to trail girls on all the NAPLAN literacy assessments – reading, writing, spelling, grammar and punctuation – and this trend also shows up in PISA. We are seeing the literacy gap faced by boys become wider, and this is flowing into falling levels of tertiary education completion amongst young men. If we care about improving student success, we cannot overlook the performance of our boys through the education system.
The final policy is the Coalition’s School Funding Guarantee. The Federal Coalition will honour the levels of school funding in existing agreements with states and territories, providing the funding certainty to focus policy work on education quality, not ongoing funding disputes.
It’s time to be honest about how our education system is failing our kids, and the fact that we need serious change. We can’t keep doing more of the same and expect different results.
I make no apologies for saying that excellence should be the focus of the Australian education system. We owe it to our children and our country to set them up for success.
You can read my full speech here, or watch it on YouTube here. I’m keen to have your feedback.
Kind regards,
Julian Leeser MP”
All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
what is IDF in this context?
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
My mate Julian Leeser sent me an e-mail. I’d be interested to know what others think, especially those directly involved with education:“Dear Berowra resident,
Last weekend I announced the Coalition’s policy to restore excellence to Australian schools.
We are 18 months from the next election, but I want to make sure people know and understand what our education policy is.
Input from people across the Berowra electorate and beyond has been central to our policy development process, and I thank everyone who has shared their perspective with me since I became Shadow Minister last October.
Across the electorate we have wonderful government, Catholic, and independent schools with dedicated teachers and engaged parent communities.
But across Australia something is wrong with the education system, and recent international test results bear this out.
The quality of the Australian education system is becoming a serious national issue, and we as a country need to make some drastic improvements.
The simple fact is that Australia is spending at record levels on schools, but our academic performance is worse than ever.
Compared with the early 2000s, 15-year-olds are about two years behind where they used to be.
The problems are clear; the curriculum is vague and overcrowded, our classrooms are some of the most disrupted in the world, and we have embraced individual screens in our classrooms. We have a shortage of teachers, but it’s harder these days to become a teacher. The evidence about these problems is broad and compelling.
We need to restore excellence to Australian schools. The measures I announced last weekend are the first steps along this path.
The first measure I called for was root and branch reform of our curriculum. The National Curriculum is both vague in its content and overcrowded. I am yet to meet a single person who sings its praises, and it is clear that the curriculum is part of the problem.
We need a shorter, more precise curriculum. Critically, this shorter curriculum must give time back to teachers and principals.
As a start, I called for the cross-curriculum priorities to be removed. Cross-curriculum priorities are ‘thematic’ topics which are designed to be woven into every other class – whether it is maths, science, geography or something else.
We have three cross-curricular priorities: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Histories and Cultures, Asia and Australia’s Engagement with Asia, and Sustainability.
All three subjects are important. Let me be clear that I want Australian children to have a strong understanding of Indigenous history and culture, our relationship with Asia and of the importance of sustainability.
But the current approach gets it wrong.
Because they are spread out across every other class, schools can’t deliver the teaching points in a carefully sequenced way, and almost by definition they’re not always being delivered by teachers with expertise in the topic. It disrespects the subject matter, and it is not fair on teachers. These issues should be taught as stand-alone carefully sequenced topics in history, geography or science.
The second issue is about cultivating pride in our country. There are three great strands to the Australian story, and each should be taught with pride: our Indigenous heritage, our British foundations, and our multicultural character.
Australian society did not emerge by accident. I want our students to understand and take pride in our achievements. Western culture and Australian values have given us so many things to be proud of, like the equality of men and women, the rule of law, and universal voting with secret ballots. These are great things which bind our country together and which every child should learn.
The third issue is about classroom behaviour and discipline. When I got local P&C leaders together recently, they told me that discipline was a big issue in our schools – concerns were raised about everything from being presentable in school uniforms to classroom behaviour.
The latest reports from PISA and the Centre for Independent Studies say that Australian classrooms are hugely disrupted compared to other nations. Behaviour is a learning issue, and it is a safety and wellbeing issue. But it is not the responsibility of teachers alone.
Education is a partnership between parents and teachers, and schools and students. I have said that the Coalition will support every school community to develop a clear statement of behavioural expectations, and will back in teachers and principals to enforce those standards.
Fourth, I spoke about streamlining the path to become a teacher. I spoke about the return to one-year post graduate teaching qualifications, which was standard practice until the early 2010s when we switched to two-year degrees. The effect has been disastrous. According to the NSW productivity Commission, between 2015 and 2022, NSW alone missed out on 9,000 new teachers because of the added cost and time, and we haven’t seen a lift in performance.
And why not explore new options, like the idea I floated about giving veterans an easier pathway into teaching? The ADF is known for its discipline, for its service ethos, and almost every junior non-commissioned officer and above will routinely teach as part of their role. Why not allow them to continue to serve our country after they put away the uniform, by supporting those who are interested to become qualified teachers?
The fifth policy commitment is drastically reducing screen time and AI use in schools. I have been talking about this issue since my first interview as Shadow Minister. The evidence about the adverse impact of screens is broad and compelling, and has been shared with me personally by neuroscientists undertaking research in this area. Under our approach, the starting point will be that if screens are used, their use must be specifically justified. We would remove routine device usage where there is no clear learning purpose, to protect children’s attention-span and sustain reading, handwriting, discussion and teacher-led instruction.
The sixth commitment is a focus on lifting boys’ education while maintaining strong outcomes for girls. Boys continue to trail girls on all the NAPLAN literacy assessments – reading, writing, spelling, grammar and punctuation – and this trend also shows up in PISA. We are seeing the literacy gap faced by boys become wider, and this is flowing into falling levels of tertiary education completion amongst young men. If we care about improving student success, we cannot overlook the performance of our boys through the education system.
The final policy is the Coalition’s School Funding Guarantee. The Federal Coalition will honour the levels of school funding in existing agreements with states and territories, providing the funding certainty to focus policy work on education quality, not ongoing funding disputes.
It’s time to be honest about how our education system is failing our kids, and the fact that we need serious change. We can’t keep doing more of the same and expect different results.
I make no apologies for saying that excellence should be the focus of the Australian education system. We owe it to our children and our country to set them up for success.
You can read my full speech here, or watch it on YouTube here. I’m keen to have your feedback.
Kind regards,
Julian Leeser MP”
All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
I agree with much of what you said there. Especially class sizes.
I don’t know what IDF means. You introduced the term without defining it. And Googling didn’t help either.
In the latter part of her career, my mother was a 1:1 remedial reading teacher. My father was also a teacher. His career progressed from Infants though to eventually a university lecturer.
One thing you didn’t address was the funding for private and religious schools. I personally thing the state should only fund public – state owned – schools.
And streaming wasn’t addressed either.
party_pants said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
My mate Julian Leeser sent me an e-mail. I’d be interested to know what others think, especially those directly involved with education:“Dear Berowra resident,
Last weekend I announced the Coalition’s policy to restore excellence to Australian schools.
We are 18 months from the next election, but I want to make sure people know and understand what our education policy is.
Input from people across the Berowra electorate and beyond has been central to our policy development process, and I thank everyone who has shared their perspective with me since I became Shadow Minister last October.
Across the electorate we have wonderful government, Catholic, and independent schools with dedicated teachers and engaged parent communities.
But across Australia something is wrong with the education system, and recent international test results bear this out.
The quality of the Australian education system is becoming a serious national issue, and we as a country need to make some drastic improvements.
The simple fact is that Australia is spending at record levels on schools, but our academic performance is worse than ever.
Compared with the early 2000s, 15-year-olds are about two years behind where they used to be.
The problems are clear; the curriculum is vague and overcrowded, our classrooms are some of the most disrupted in the world, and we have embraced individual screens in our classrooms. We have a shortage of teachers, but it’s harder these days to become a teacher. The evidence about these problems is broad and compelling.
We need to restore excellence to Australian schools. The measures I announced last weekend are the first steps along this path.
The first measure I called for was root and branch reform of our curriculum. The National Curriculum is both vague in its content and overcrowded. I am yet to meet a single person who sings its praises, and it is clear that the curriculum is part of the problem.
We need a shorter, more precise curriculum. Critically, this shorter curriculum must give time back to teachers and principals.
As a start, I called for the cross-curriculum priorities to be removed. Cross-curriculum priorities are ‘thematic’ topics which are designed to be woven into every other class – whether it is maths, science, geography or something else.
We have three cross-curricular priorities: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Histories and Cultures, Asia and Australia’s Engagement with Asia, and Sustainability.
All three subjects are important. Let me be clear that I want Australian children to have a strong understanding of Indigenous history and culture, our relationship with Asia and of the importance of sustainability.
But the current approach gets it wrong.
Because they are spread out across every other class, schools can’t deliver the teaching points in a carefully sequenced way, and almost by definition they’re not always being delivered by teachers with expertise in the topic. It disrespects the subject matter, and it is not fair on teachers. These issues should be taught as stand-alone carefully sequenced topics in history, geography or science.
The second issue is about cultivating pride in our country. There are three great strands to the Australian story, and each should be taught with pride: our Indigenous heritage, our British foundations, and our multicultural character.
Australian society did not emerge by accident. I want our students to understand and take pride in our achievements. Western culture and Australian values have given us so many things to be proud of, like the equality of men and women, the rule of law, and universal voting with secret ballots. These are great things which bind our country together and which every child should learn.
The third issue is about classroom behaviour and discipline. When I got local P&C leaders together recently, they told me that discipline was a big issue in our schools – concerns were raised about everything from being presentable in school uniforms to classroom behaviour.
The latest reports from PISA and the Centre for Independent Studies say that Australian classrooms are hugely disrupted compared to other nations. Behaviour is a learning issue, and it is a safety and wellbeing issue. But it is not the responsibility of teachers alone.
Education is a partnership between parents and teachers, and schools and students. I have said that the Coalition will support every school community to develop a clear statement of behavioural expectations, and will back in teachers and principals to enforce those standards.
Fourth, I spoke about streamlining the path to become a teacher. I spoke about the return to one-year post graduate teaching qualifications, which was standard practice until the early 2010s when we switched to two-year degrees. The effect has been disastrous. According to the NSW productivity Commission, between 2015 and 2022, NSW alone missed out on 9,000 new teachers because of the added cost and time, and we haven’t seen a lift in performance.
And why not explore new options, like the idea I floated about giving veterans an easier pathway into teaching? The ADF is known for its discipline, for its service ethos, and almost every junior non-commissioned officer and above will routinely teach as part of their role. Why not allow them to continue to serve our country after they put away the uniform, by supporting those who are interested to become qualified teachers?
The fifth policy commitment is drastically reducing screen time and AI use in schools. I have been talking about this issue since my first interview as Shadow Minister. The evidence about the adverse impact of screens is broad and compelling, and has been shared with me personally by neuroscientists undertaking research in this area. Under our approach, the starting point will be that if screens are used, their use must be specifically justified. We would remove routine device usage where there is no clear learning purpose, to protect children’s attention-span and sustain reading, handwriting, discussion and teacher-led instruction.
The sixth commitment is a focus on lifting boys’ education while maintaining strong outcomes for girls. Boys continue to trail girls on all the NAPLAN literacy assessments – reading, writing, spelling, grammar and punctuation – and this trend also shows up in PISA. We are seeing the literacy gap faced by boys become wider, and this is flowing into falling levels of tertiary education completion amongst young men. If we care about improving student success, we cannot overlook the performance of our boys through the education system.
The final policy is the Coalition’s School Funding Guarantee. The Federal Coalition will honour the levels of school funding in existing agreements with states and territories, providing the funding certainty to focus policy work on education quality, not ongoing funding disputes.
It’s time to be honest about how our education system is failing our kids, and the fact that we need serious change. We can’t keep doing more of the same and expect different results.
I make no apologies for saying that excellence should be the focus of the Australian education system. We owe it to our children and our country to set them up for success.
You can read my full speech here, or watch it on YouTube here. I’m keen to have your feedback.
Kind regards,
Julian Leeser MP”
All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
what is IDF in this context?
don’t know about all that but for example a simple thing is that if politicians stopped wasting money on shit and instead paid teachers more than an industry which
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
ms spock said:
All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
what is IDF in this context?
don’t know about all that but for example a simple thing is that if politicians stopped wasting money on shit and instead paid teachers more than an industry which takes them away from the classroom then there would be more skilled teachers
sorry misclick sentence completed
Michael V said:
In the latter part of her career, my mother was a 1:1 remedial reading teacher. My father was also a teacher. His career progressed from Infants though to eventually a university lecturer.
One thing you didn’t address was the funding for private and religious schools. I personally thing the state should only fund public – state owned – schools.
And streaming wasn’t addressed either.
yeah but pretty sure inflaming culture wars is going to be more beneficial for students than fostering a culture of learning
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
In the latter part of her career, my mother was a 1:1 remedial reading teacher. My father was also a teacher. His career progressed from Infants though to eventually a university lecturer.
One thing you didn’t address was the funding for private and religious schools. I personally thing the state should only fund public – state owned – schools.
And streaming wasn’t addressed either.
yeah but pretty sure inflaming culture wars is going to be more beneficial for students than fostering a culture of learning
My (likely very simplistic) argument here is that if you stop funding Scots and Riverview, Kings, PLC etc, then there would be more funds for the state schools.
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
My mate Julian Leeser sent me an e-mail. I’d be interested to know what others think, especially those directly involved with education:
…
All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
Thanks ms. spock.
I gather you are not that keen on these proposals then :)
Maybe I’m slow to trust but it’s going to be a trillion years before I listen to anything the LNP has to say on public education.
Exclusive Brethren leader calls Jews ‘wicked’, ‘infidel’ as Liberals remain silent
The leader of the church, which secretly campaigned for the Coalition at the election using neo-Nazi associates, has described Jews as evil in leaked sermons.
Michael Bachelard and Sherryn Groch
September 26, 2026
The world leader of the Exclusive Brethren church, which ran a covert campaign supporting the Coalition at the last federal election, has described Jews as evil, malicious infidels who are unable to ever atone for the sin of killing Jesus.
Leaked church records spanning more than two decades reveal Bruce Hales, the church’s leader and “Elect Vessel”, repeatedly preaching to his 56,000-stong global flock that Jews are beyond redemption.
“The poor Jew, still in the darkness of Judaism, trying to atone for the things they’ve done wrong; their lies and their iniquity, and their wickedness,” Hales, the Brethren’s “Man of God”, said in 2009.
The Jews’ sin, Hales insists, is not recognising Jesus as the son of God, then “murdering” Him. He refers to Yom Kippur, the holiest day on the Jewish calendar, as when Jews “go on in their darkness trying to atone”.
“They fell into evil … It’s not something they can eliminate,” he said in a separate 2009 ministry, adding in 2010 that this was a “terrible thing. What a void.”
Executive Council of Australian Jewry co-chair Peter Wertheim said the accusation that Jews were to blame collectively for killing Jesus – the “Deicide charge” – was “one of the clearest distinguishing markers of the disgrace of antisemitism”. It had “been used as the basis for untold deaths and suffering by Jewish communities for nearly two millennia”.
Publicly – most recently in evidence to a parliamentary committee inquiry – the religion now known as the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church, says it condemns antisemitism as “abhorrent” and “completely antithetical to our views”.
But in another 2020 ministry, Hales speaks of what he calls “the Jewish question” – another antisemitic trope – and their domination “by the devil”.
Hales’ preachings also feature racist comments about Asians – who he repeatedly refers to as “Orientals” and accuses of “mendacity” – and sweeping disparagement of Africa.
He has been called to give evidence to a parliamentary committee next month over his church’s multimillion dollar undisclosed campaign for the Coalition at the last election. That campaign included a shadowy operation uncovered by this masthead in which neo-Nazi associates were paid to tail and heckle MPs and disrupt Labor, Greens and teal events.
The secret “election influence” plot with the far-right went all the way to the top of the church, with leaked messages showing Hales’ son, Gareth, was among the senior elders directly involved. Gareth has also been called to give evidence.
The Coalition has defended the Brethren church’s covert campaign as an expression of the church’s religious freedom and has also repeatedly accused the Albanese government of being soft on antisemitism.
Given almost two days to comment on Bruce Hales’ ministry, seven Coalition MPs who had previously supported the church, including Liberal leader Angus Taylor, failed to respond to questions. Nationals leader Matt Canavan said: “I don’t agree with the views reported here . Unlike the biased and bigoted reporting of The Age, however, I don’t hold people collectively responsible for the views of one person.”
Expert in extremism and political violence Josh Roose said the church’s use of associates of violent neo-Nazis as “hired thugs” to intimidate and harass politicians marked a dangerous escalation in Australian politics.
It was an attempt to import aggressive, MAGA-style politics into a local climate where threats against both MPs and the Jewish community are already growing, he said.
“There’s a very strong potential for violence. They’re now emboldened to attack in public spaces federal parliamentarians for the first time. It needs to be investigated.”
Hales preaches in closed church meetings and “Lord’s Day” (Sunday) addresses, then his words are printed and distributed to the flock globally as “ministry” that his followers regard as holy writ.
A “Subject Index” of his most important sayings shows that in 2014 he sermonised that Jews were “just natural godless men, they were infidel Jews”.
Jews, he preached in Orange in 2005, “put Christ to death … in hatred and malice” because they were envious of him. They “murdered” Christ because “they were completely dominated by the devil”, he said in Penrith, NSW, in 2016.
The sin of killing Christ was “fixed on the Jews”, he added in 2020. “What will eventually bring in finality to the whole Jewish question, that remains in the hands of Christ and perfectly under the control of God.”
“They rejected God Himself. They had no God,” he said in Sydney in 2010. “The Jews were damned at that point … totally damned, because of their wretched infidelity.”
Hales also preaches that the West is superior to other regions, describing Asia and Africa as “terrible continents” shrouded in “darkness”.
Of Asia, which Hales refers to as “the East”, he decries “the depravity, the depravity that men have fallen into through their own folly, influence of Satan, influence of Satan’s agents”.
“The mendacity of the Eastern world or the orientals, was legendary,” he preached in 2003. Then later, in 2009: “Think of the awful treachery of the Eastern darkness, and mendacity, and intrigue, and wickedness, and corruption.”
One Brethren operative involved in the church’s secret stunt campaign disrupting the election said they had felt deeply uncomfortable being told to target MPs alongside neo-Nazi associates heckling about immigration.
Brethren spokesman Lloyd Grimshaw said, “These statements are based on Holy Scripture,” and accused this masthead of making “a selective choice of quotes … designed to misrepresent Mr Hales’ position on Jewish people”.
“The church has always strongly condemned antisemitism. The comments were made in a religious context as part of a theological discussion on the historical connection between our faith and Judaism.
“The PBCC actively supports our valued Jewish communities and regularly pray in our church services for the safety and protection of Israel and its people.”
‘The Jewish question’
Wertheim, from the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, said much antisemitism stemmed from the refusal of Jews to accept the religious claims of Jesus and Muhammad and convert. Historically, this was “seen as offensive and deeply threatening” by the leaders of those faiths.
“Jews collectively were branded as ‘Christ-killers’ by the Christian authorities (the Deicide charge) and were ruthlessly persecuted through pogroms, expulsions, the Inquisition, ghettoisation, forced conversions and other horrors … culminating in the Holocaust,” Wertheim said in response to Hales’ comments.
Rabbi Ralph Genende, the interfaith and community liaison spokesman at the Australia-Israel Jewish Affairs Council, said some of Hales’ ministry was a “dramatic expression” of widely held beliefs among fundamentalist Christians.
But his generalisations about Jews as a group, calling them “evil” and “infidels” were “very concerning, especially at a time when antisemitism is at unprecedented levels in Australia”, he said.
“Obviously, members of this church should be entitled to engage in Australian politics in the same way as anyone else,” he said. But political parties should “exercise caution about formal institutional ties with this church … until it clearly distances itself from rhetoric that condemns Jews collectively”.
After this masthead revealed the Brethren’s far-right election influence plot, seven Coalition MPs including Canavan leapt to the church’s defence, saying questions put to the Brethren by the parliament’s joint standing committee on electoral matters constituted a witch-hunt, persecution of a religious minority, were un-Australian and further evidence of the Albanese government’s push for a “Communist utopia”.
The lack of a response to questions about Hales’ ministry contrasts with the Coalition’s response to a series of tweets by Labor staffer Rhys Muldoon. In 2022, Muldoon called Liberal frontbencher Dave Sharma a “fake Jew”, and when they were recently unearthed, Sharma said: “I am surprised that the Labor Party was prepared to overlook such a vile public record, or seemingly did not bother looking”. Muldoon lost his job. Sharma did not answer multiple requests for comment on Hales’ preachings.
Two other organisations, the Australian Jewish Association and Freedom for Faith, both of which have backed the Brethren’s right to campaign at elections citing their religious freedom, also failed to respond to a list of Hales’ quotes and questions about antisemitism.
In recent weeks, the Brethren has shifted towards more overt support of Coalition rival Pauline Hanson and One Nation.
Hales preached last month: “I hope that red-haired lady gets a chance” so she could “get enough uranium together and build a few bombs” to drop on the Middle-East, obliterating Iran.
Of the covert stunt campaign, multiple rank-and-file Brethren members who were kept in the dark have since told this masthead of their horror at the church using white nationalist guns-for-hire in the attempt to influence an election.
Teal donor Climate 200, founded by Simon Holmes à Court, who was himself targeted in a far-right Brethren stunt, has referred the church to the charity regulator for investigation.
Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke has said paying such notorious characters to “stalk and intimidate” politicians was something “Australia hasn’t had before, and we shouldn’t”.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/exclusive-brethren-leader-calls-jews-wicked-infidel-as-liberals-remain-silent-20260926-p6105d.html
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
In the latter part of her career, my mother was a 1:1 remedial reading teacher. My father was also a teacher. His career progressed from Infants though to eventually a university lecturer.
One thing you didn’t address was the funding for private and religious schools. I personally thing the state should only fund public – state owned – schools.
And streaming wasn’t addressed either.
yeah but pretty sure inflaming culture wars is going to be more beneficial for students than fostering a culture of learning
My (likely very simplistic) argument here is that if you stop funding Scots and Riverview, Kings, PLC etc, then there would be more funds for the state schools.
sorry we mean them, we’re not implying that funding a money corrupting scheme is “culture” worth warring over
also maybe if the fascists and the fascist-aligned politicians actually showed that knowledge is power and education is opportunity then students will actually value knowledge and education, instead of having the biggest shittest ignorant and disinforming loudmouths having near equal chances of running a place
but then there wouldn’t be fascists and their aligned so yeah what dv just said
On a side note, I think they have recently changed their name to Plymouth Brethren, but anyhoo it’s the same organisation.
I sometimes think they these people need to be rounded up and sent to re-education for their own good. But that makes me worse than Hitler. So instead we let these people continue to do their harm.
Also, this sort of religious bigotry was fairly mainstream only a 100 years or so ago. The brethren are just not early adopters of reform.
dv said:
Maybe I’m slow to trust but it’s going to be a trillion years before I listen to anything the LNP has to say on public education.
Mrs rb agrees but she has first hand experience.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:Michael V said:
In the latter part of her career, my mother was a 1:1 remedial reading teacher. My father was also a teacher. His career progressed from Infants though to eventually a university lecturer.
One thing you didn’t address was the funding for private and religious schools. I personally thing the state should only fund public – state owned – schools.
And streaming wasn’t addressed either.
yeah but pretty sure inflaming culture wars is going to be more beneficial for students than fostering a culture of learning
My (likely very simplistic) argument here is that if you stop funding Scots and Riverview, Kings, PLC etc, then there would be more funds for the state schools.
It has often been said that if politicians were forced to send their children to states schools then those schools would be well funded. Not just in Australia too.
IDF?
Australia’s Inclusion Development Fund (IDF)
?
party_pants said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
My mate Julian Leeser sent me an e-mail. I’d be interested to know what others think, especially those directly involved with education:“Dear Berowra resident,
Last weekend I announced the Coalition’s policy to restore excellence to Australian schools.
We are 18 months from the next election, but I want to make sure people know and understand what our education policy is.
Input from people across the Berowra electorate and beyond has been central to our policy development process, and I thank everyone who has shared their perspective with me since I became Shadow Minister last October.
Across the electorate we have wonderful government, Catholic, and independent schools with dedicated teachers and engaged parent communities.
But across Australia something is wrong with the education system, and recent international test results bear this out.
The quality of the Australian education system is becoming a serious national issue, and we as a country need to make some drastic improvements.
The simple fact is that Australia is spending at record levels on schools, but our academic performance is worse than ever.
Compared with the early 2000s, 15-year-olds are about two years behind where they used to be.
The problems are clear; the curriculum is vague and overcrowded, our classrooms are some of the most disrupted in the world, and we have embraced individual screens in our classrooms. We have a shortage of teachers, but it’s harder these days to become a teacher. The evidence about these problems is broad and compelling.
We need to restore excellence to Australian schools. The measures I announced last weekend are the first steps along this path.
The first measure I called for was root and branch reform of our curriculum. The National Curriculum is both vague in its content and overcrowded. I am yet to meet a single person who sings its praises, and it is clear that the curriculum is part of the problem.
We need a shorter, more precise curriculum. Critically, this shorter curriculum must give time back to teachers and principals.
As a start, I called for the cross-curriculum priorities to be removed. Cross-curriculum priorities are ‘thematic’ topics which are designed to be woven into every other class – whether it is maths, science, geography or something else.
We have three cross-curricular priorities: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Histories and Cultures, Asia and Australia’s Engagement with Asia, and Sustainability.
All three subjects are important. Let me be clear that I want Australian children to have a strong understanding of Indigenous history and culture, our relationship with Asia and of the importance of sustainability.
But the current approach gets it wrong.
Because they are spread out across every other class, schools can’t deliver the teaching points in a carefully sequenced way, and almost by definition they’re not always being delivered by teachers with expertise in the topic. It disrespects the subject matter, and it is not fair on teachers. These issues should be taught as stand-alone carefully sequenced topics in history, geography or science.
The second issue is about cultivating pride in our country. There are three great strands to the Australian story, and each should be taught with pride: our Indigenous heritage, our British foundations, and our multicultural character.
Australian society did not emerge by accident. I want our students to understand and take pride in our achievements. Western culture and Australian values have given us so many things to be proud of, like the equality of men and women, the rule of law, and universal voting with secret ballots. These are great things which bind our country together and which every child should learn.
The third issue is about classroom behaviour and discipline. When I got local P&C leaders together recently, they told me that discipline was a big issue in our schools – concerns were raised about everything from being presentable in school uniforms to classroom behaviour.
The latest reports from PISA and the Centre for Independent Studies say that Australian classrooms are hugely disrupted compared to other nations. Behaviour is a learning issue, and it is a safety and wellbeing issue. But it is not the responsibility of teachers alone.
Education is a partnership between parents and teachers, and schools and students. I have said that the Coalition will support every school community to develop a clear statement of behavioural expectations, and will back in teachers and principals to enforce those standards.
Fourth, I spoke about streamlining the path to become a teacher. I spoke about the return to one-year post graduate teaching qualifications, which was standard practice until the early 2010s when we switched to two-year degrees. The effect has been disastrous. According to the NSW productivity Commission, between 2015 and 2022, NSW alone missed out on 9,000 new teachers because of the added cost and time, and we haven’t seen a lift in performance.
And why not explore new options, like the idea I floated about giving veterans an easier pathway into teaching? The ADF is known for its discipline, for its service ethos, and almost every junior non-commissioned officer and above will routinely teach as part of their role. Why not allow them to continue to serve our country after they put away the uniform, by supporting those who are interested to become qualified teachers?
The fifth policy commitment is drastically reducing screen time and AI use in schools. I have been talking about this issue since my first interview as Shadow Minister. The evidence about the adverse impact of screens is broad and compelling, and has been shared with me personally by neuroscientists undertaking research in this area. Under our approach, the starting point will be that if screens are used, their use must be specifically justified. We would remove routine device usage where there is no clear learning purpose, to protect children’s attention-span and sustain reading, handwriting, discussion and teacher-led instruction.
The sixth commitment is a focus on lifting boys’ education while maintaining strong outcomes for girls. Boys continue to trail girls on all the NAPLAN literacy assessments – reading, writing, spelling, grammar and punctuation – and this trend also shows up in PISA. We are seeing the literacy gap faced by boys become wider, and this is flowing into falling levels of tertiary education completion amongst young men. If we care about improving student success, we cannot overlook the performance of our boys through the education system.
The final policy is the Coalition’s School Funding Guarantee. The Federal Coalition will honour the levels of school funding in existing agreements with states and territories, providing the funding certainty to focus policy work on education quality, not ongoing funding disputes.
It’s time to be honest about how our education system is failing our kids, and the fact that we need serious change. We can’t keep doing more of the same and expect different results.
I make no apologies for saying that excellence should be the focus of the Australian education system. We owe it to our children and our country to set them up for success.
You can read my full speech here, or watch it on YouTube here. I’m keen to have your feedback.
Kind regards,
Julian Leeser MP”
All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
what is IDF in this context?
I got it wrong it is ADF not IDF party pants.
ms spock said:
party_pants said:
ms spock said:All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
what is IDF in this context?
I got it wrong it is ADF not IDF party pants.
OK,
.. what is ADF?
ms spock said:
party_pants said:
ms spock said:All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
what is IDF in this context?
I got it wrong it is ADF not IDF party pants.
Australian Defence Force?
Michael V said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
My mate Julian Leeser sent me an e-mail. I’d be interested to know what others think, especially those directly involved with education:“Dear Berowra resident,
Last weekend I announced the Coalition’s policy to restore excellence to Australian schools.
We are 18 months from the next election, but I want to make sure people know and understand what our education policy is.
Input from people across the Berowra electorate and beyond has been central to our policy development process, and I thank everyone who has shared their perspective with me since I became Shadow Minister last October.
Across the electorate we have wonderful government, Catholic, and independent schools with dedicated teachers and engaged parent communities.
But across Australia something is wrong with the education system, and recent international test results bear this out.
The quality of the Australian education system is becoming a serious national issue, and we as a country need to make some drastic improvements.
The simple fact is that Australia is spending at record levels on schools, but our academic performance is worse than ever.
Compared with the early 2000s, 15-year-olds are about two years behind where they used to be.
The problems are clear; the curriculum is vague and overcrowded, our classrooms are some of the most disrupted in the world, and we have embraced individual screens in our classrooms. We have a shortage of teachers, but it’s harder these days to become a teacher. The evidence about these problems is broad and compelling.
We need to restore excellence to Australian schools. The measures I announced last weekend are the first steps along this path.
The first measure I called for was root and branch reform of our curriculum. The National Curriculum is both vague in its content and overcrowded. I am yet to meet a single person who sings its praises, and it is clear that the curriculum is part of the problem.
We need a shorter, more precise curriculum. Critically, this shorter curriculum must give time back to teachers and principals.
As a start, I called for the cross-curriculum priorities to be removed. Cross-curriculum priorities are ‘thematic’ topics which are designed to be woven into every other class – whether it is maths, science, geography or something else.
We have three cross-curricular priorities: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Histories and Cultures, Asia and Australia’s Engagement with Asia, and Sustainability.
All three subjects are important. Let me be clear that I want Australian children to have a strong understanding of Indigenous history and culture, our relationship with Asia and of the importance of sustainability.
But the current approach gets it wrong.
Because they are spread out across every other class, schools can’t deliver the teaching points in a carefully sequenced way, and almost by definition they’re not always being delivered by teachers with expertise in the topic. It disrespects the subject matter, and it is not fair on teachers. These issues should be taught as stand-alone carefully sequenced topics in history, geography or science.
The second issue is about cultivating pride in our country. There are three great strands to the Australian story, and each should be taught with pride: our Indigenous heritage, our British foundations, and our multicultural character.
Australian society did not emerge by accident. I want our students to understand and take pride in our achievements. Western culture and Australian values have given us so many things to be proud of, like the equality of men and women, the rule of law, and universal voting with secret ballots. These are great things which bind our country together and which every child should learn.
The third issue is about classroom behaviour and discipline. When I got local P&C leaders together recently, they told me that discipline was a big issue in our schools – concerns were raised about everything from being presentable in school uniforms to classroom behaviour.
The latest reports from PISA and the Centre for Independent Studies say that Australian classrooms are hugely disrupted compared to other nations. Behaviour is a learning issue, and it is a safety and wellbeing issue. But it is not the responsibility of teachers alone.
Education is a partnership between parents and teachers, and schools and students. I have said that the Coalition will support every school community to develop a clear statement of behavioural expectations, and will back in teachers and principals to enforce those standards.
Fourth, I spoke about streamlining the path to become a teacher. I spoke about the return to one-year post graduate teaching qualifications, which was standard practice until the early 2010s when we switched to two-year degrees. The effect has been disastrous. According to the NSW productivity Commission, between 2015 and 2022, NSW alone missed out on 9,000 new teachers because of the added cost and time, and we haven’t seen a lift in performance.
And why not explore new options, like the idea I floated about giving veterans an easier pathway into teaching? The ADF is known for its discipline, for its service ethos, and almost every junior non-commissioned officer and above will routinely teach as part of their role. Why not allow them to continue to serve our country after they put away the uniform, by supporting those who are interested to become qualified teachers?
The fifth policy commitment is drastically reducing screen time and AI use in schools. I have been talking about this issue since my first interview as Shadow Minister. The evidence about the adverse impact of screens is broad and compelling, and has been shared with me personally by neuroscientists undertaking research in this area. Under our approach, the starting point will be that if screens are used, their use must be specifically justified. We would remove routine device usage where there is no clear learning purpose, to protect children’s attention-span and sustain reading, handwriting, discussion and teacher-led instruction.
The sixth commitment is a focus on lifting boys’ education while maintaining strong outcomes for girls. Boys continue to trail girls on all the NAPLAN literacy assessments – reading, writing, spelling, grammar and punctuation – and this trend also shows up in PISA. We are seeing the literacy gap faced by boys become wider, and this is flowing into falling levels of tertiary education completion amongst young men. If we care about improving student success, we cannot overlook the performance of our boys through the education system.
The final policy is the Coalition’s School Funding Guarantee. The Federal Coalition will honour the levels of school funding in existing agreements with states and territories, providing the funding certainty to focus policy work on education quality, not ongoing funding disputes.
It’s time to be honest about how our education system is failing our kids, and the fact that we need serious change. We can’t keep doing more of the same and expect different results.
I make no apologies for saying that excellence should be the focus of the Australian education system. We owe it to our children and our country to set them up for success.
You can read my full speech here, or watch it on YouTube here. I’m keen to have your feedback.
Kind regards,
Julian Leeser MP”
All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
I agree with much of what you said there. Especially class sizes.
I don’t know what IDF means. You introduced the term without defining it. And Googling didn’t help either.
In the latter part of her career, my mother was a 1:1 remedial reading teacher. My father was also a teacher. His career progressed from Infants though to eventually a university lecturer.
One thing you didn’t address was the funding for private and religious schools. I personally thing the state should only fund public – state owned – schools.
And streaming wasn’t addressed either.
Sorry it is my mistake. It was meant to be ADF not IDF. Absolutely ridiculous.
The funding is the crux of the matter. A private school can get funding to repair their Olympic swimming pool whilst other public schools do not have basic resources like books, calculators, shade to sit in breaks or air conditioning in demountables. The complexity of the funding obscures how much private schools receive, often more than public schools. Gonski wrote about this as has Jane Caro. Agreed no more funding to private schools.
Funding for private schools needs to stop. Too many public schools in low socio economic schools have so few resources.
I not sure what you mean by streaming?
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
ms spock said:All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
what is IDF in this context?
don’t know about all that but for example a simple thing is that if politicians stopped wasting money on shit and instead paid teachers more than an industry which
I am all for politicians not wasting money on shit.
well that’s a new angle on the scare campaign
I mean I think deflation is the term of art, Mr Cola
Greetings
There is weather outside.
I am so tired and weary that I can barely move. I think that I packed in way too much this week. I have been going to bed way too late and getting up too early. And trying to do too much.
After the tradie attacked me in the house lay December. I have high anxiety and /or panic attacks. It’s really annoying and draining. So I am in the caravan
I just have to write two more emails to the Insurance Company and provide evidence.
Michael V said:
In the latter part of her career, my mother was a 1:1 remedial reading teacher. My father was also a teacher. His career progressed from Infants though to eventually a university lecturer. .
Respect to both of your parents for their contributions, Mr V.
1:1 reading changes lives as I am sure your father did in his way.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
In the latter part of her career, my mother was a 1:1 remedial reading teacher. My father was also a teacher. His career progressed from Infants though to eventually a university lecturer.
One thing you didn’t address was the funding for private and religious schools. I personally thing the state should only fund public – state owned – schools.
And streaming wasn’t addressed either.
yeah but pretty sure inflaming culture wars is going to be more beneficial for students than fostering a culture of learning
But it is not a culture war. If a private school gets funding for a new (almost) world class music auditorium and a couple of suburbs away I am teaching in a demountable which is 45° because we don’t have air conditioning. It is about basic equity and nowhere near a culture war issue.
Teaching in classrooms without air conditioning in Queensland makes it almost possible to foster a
a culture of learning.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:Michael V said:
In the latter part of her career, my mother was a 1:1 remedial reading teacher. My father was also a teacher. His career progressed from Infants though to eventually a university lecturer.
One thing you didn’t address was the funding for private and religious schools. I personally thing the state should only fund public – state owned – schools.
And streaming wasn’t addressed either.
yeah but pretty sure inflaming culture wars is going to be more beneficial for students than fostering a culture of learning
My (likely very simplistic) argument here is that if you stop funding Scots and Riverview, Kings, PLC etc, then there would be more funds for the state schools.
And this needs to happen. The lack of basic resources is appalling nevertheless getting anywhere near equal opportunity or equity.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ms spock said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
My mate Julian Leeser sent me an e-mail. I’d be interested to know what others think, especially those directly involved with education:
…
All politicial parties need to stop using education and teachers as political footballs. Until that happens Australian education will keep doing a death spiral.
The curriculum is not vague. There is just too many of them. The worst thing to do is create yet another.
I trained across three curriculums. If they bring another curriculum in. And apply it from top down. Teachers will walk or they just won’t engage with the new curriculum. That would be ridiculous and a complete waste of everyone’s time.
The basics for education
Each student needs breakfast and lunch. Hungry students don’t learn.
Students need safe and stable housing. I had a student who had lived in a tent for three years despite both parents working.
Schools need psychologists to address domestic violence and/or IPV. Kids living with violence don’t learn. They are in survival mode. Students also need mental health crisis addressed. I had a student tell me how they were going to end their lives and I spent the day running around trying to get assistance.
All the Administrative work was taken off the Administration Staff and dumped on the teachers. This means there is little faith by teachers anymore. Each new curriculum is seen by some as another obstacle to get around so they can build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn.
Take all the administrative tasks and work from teachers and give it all back to the administration staff.
Stop changing the computer systems each year.
Get rid of NAPLAN. I know it is a three billion dollars business now. When you are spending 6 weeks teaching to the test, you can’t teach your 8 weeks of curriculum. If you complain you won’t get any more work or a contract. It means students are missing out on foundational skills. Teaching to the tests is a real waste of time. .
If students fail they need to be held back as they are in Canada and America.
Cross Curriculum Priorities provide a rich way for students and staff to engage. They engage spaces for children who are otherwise disengaged to participate. It’s taken years for teachers to develop and implement Cross Curriculum programmes. If you remove something that it working, then teachers will not engage with any new curriculum. What is the point of developing programmes if they are going to be dumped in two – three years at the next election.
Reduce class sizes. 37 students is too many students. 30 is too many students. 25 students is too many. If you want real n learning to take place. Then you need one teacher to ten students. Or two TAs for each class.
No or few screens is totally agreed. Finland and Belgium have removed them. Many schools already banned mobiles.
If I have a Year 8 class with two boys reading at a Grade 2 level, some at a 5th Grade level, a student who cannot read and write, two students at Year 11 level and one at a University level. I cannot address these problems if my time is teaching to the NAPLAN test.
If a teacher is of sick and I am running from one classroom to another classroom, then no one is learning. It is just baby sitting.
If I am teaching a class but have one student who has a melt down if they don’t get one in one. Then no one is learning.
Make the school day shorter or have longer breaks so students can be outside. If lunch time is not long enough time to eat their lunches. Then students do not learn after lunch. It’s only anecdotal but private schools in this area have lengthened their breaks and have had significant behaviours improve.
Before any curriculum is changed make those that wrote it teach it for two terms in a challenging school.
Students who need to be one on one need to be a specialist school with physiotherapists, speech pathologists, etc etc etc one on one learning experiences. Just like my brother did. He was delighted and happy there.
Sending the IDF into classrooms is one of the most fucking stupid ideas that I have heard off. It shows a complete lack of understanding of what teaching involves. But it would definitely ensure there is much less learning occurring in the classrooms.
If you send IDF into classroom violence will escalate. The young men in Year 11 and Year 12 who are only there because they are legally required to will think that the IDF is manna from heaven. They will escalate at every opportunity.
The IDF idea shows that this politician is a complete fucking dickhead mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching /learning/education or who wants to sabotage our education system. (There’s new private prisons being built. This IDF idea will assist in creating a school to prison pathway. Check to see if they stand to profit from this). You simply cannot be that stupid as to think adding IDF will create a safe learning environment. Maslows Hierarchy of Needs etc. No one is that dumb.
As a teacher, you need to build rapport and develop that rapport with their students so students will learn. If you don’t have rapport with your students. They do not learn. Learning takes place through relationships. You need them to trust you so that you can scaffold off their current strengths, interests and skills they are lacking.
There is a pedagogy called “Productive Pedagogies” which was created in Australia and is used around the world, but it is not used in Australia despite being evidenced based.
“Productive pedagogies is a research-based theoretical framework that helps teachers reflect on and improve classroom practices to foster deep thinking, engagement, and equity” .
The Big Picture pedagogy let’s students follow their passions and interests and those students are going to university coming out of Year 10 or trying out a law class in Year 11. Not all but quite a few. Once students see a purpose and they engage. They make progress and work on their chosen subjects and passions sitting luck and at weekends fast beyond any subject outline.
There’s also The 8 Ways pedagogy by Tyson Yunkaporta. Which is effective as addresses where a student actually is. It works.
I experienced great engagement teaching outdoors Science. Students arrived at a location. It was hands on.. Same with the outdoors Bush schools.
In conclusion Julian Leeser MP” is definitely a part of the problem. And I bet he knows that these regurgitated talking points, which arrive at each election suck in folks, who believe they know something about teaching because they went to school.
Julian Leeser MP is a complete and utter fuck head, dickhead, mother fucker who is another politician who has zero knowledge about teaching, learning or education or who wants to sabotage our education system. Either way he should be put in to a cannon and fired into the sun.
Thanks ms. spock.
I gather you are not that keen on these proposals then :)
You are a crack up!
😂🤣😂
The teachers of 10 to 30+ years have seen these approximate proposals recycled every election cycle.
ms spock said:
Greetings
There is weather outside.
I am so tired and weary that I can barely move. I think that I packed in way too much this week. I have been going to bed way too late and getting up too early. And trying to do too much.
After the tradie attacked me in the house lay December. I have high anxiety and /or panic attacks. It’s really annoying and draining. So I am in the caravan
I just have to write two more emails to the Insurance Company and provide evidence.
Didn’t you say this before?
In any case: look after yourself.
Michael V said:
ms spock said:Greetings
There is weather outside.
I am so tired and weary that I can barely move. I think that I packed in way too much this week. I have been going to bed way too late and getting up too early. And trying to do too much.
After the tradie attacked me in the house lay December. I have high anxiety and /or panic attacks. It’s really annoying and draining. So I am in the caravan
I just have to write two more emails to the Insurance Company and provide evidence.
Didn’t you say this before?
In any case: look after yourself.
Probably? I am so tired. I can’t follow what is going on. Soon I will get a good night’s sleep and catch up.
Thank you Mr V.
ms spock said:
Michael V said:
ms spock said:Greetings
There is weather outside.
I am so tired and weary that I can barely move. I think that I packed in way too much this week. I have been going to bed way too late and getting up too early. And trying to do too much.
After the tradie attacked me in the house lay December. I have high anxiety and /or panic attacks. It’s really annoying and draining. So I am in the caravan
I just have to write two more emails to the Insurance Company and provide evidence.
Didn’t you say this before?
In any case: look after yourself.
Probably? I am so tired. I can’t follow what is going on. Soon I will get a good night’s sleep and catch up.
Thank you Mr V.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ms spock said:
Michael V said:Didn’t you say this before?
In any case: look after yourself.
Probably? I am so tired. I can’t follow what is going on. Soon I will get a good night’s sleep and catch up.
Thank you Mr V.
Yeah. You posted a very similar post yesterday.
It is probably the same post. I have a lot of tabs open.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:yeah but pretty sure inflaming culture wars is going to be more beneficial for students than fostering a culture of learning
My (likely very simplistic) argument here is that if you stop funding Scots and Riverview, Kings, PLC etc, then there would be more funds for the state schools.
It has often been said that if politicians were forced to send their children to states schools then those schools would be well funded. Not just in Australia too.
That is why it is illegal to charge for education in Iceland. (with a few exceptions)
Tau.Neutrino said:
IDF?Australia’s Inclusion Development Fund (IDF)
?
ADF, my bad!
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
In the latter part of her career, my mother was a 1:1 remedial reading teacher. My father was also a teacher. His career progressed from Infants though to eventually a university lecturer.
One thing you didn’t address was the funding for private and religious schools. I personally thing the state should only fund public – state owned – schools.
And streaming wasn’t addressed either.
yeah but pretty sure inflaming culture wars is going to be more beneficial for students than fostering a culture of learning
But it is not a culture war. If a private school gets funding for a new (almost) world class music auditorium and a couple of suburbs away I am teaching in a demountable which is 45° because we don’t have air conditioning. It is about basic equity and nowhere near a culture war issue.
Teaching in classrooms without air conditioning in Queensland makes it almost possible to foster a
a culture of learning.
we meant the likes of Julian Leeser MP and The Federal Coalition are always trying to inflame culture wars so how rich it is for them to talk about falling educational standards
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
yeah but pretty sure inflaming culture wars is going to be more beneficial for students than fostering a culture of learning
But it is not a culture war. If a private school gets funding for a new (almost) world class music auditorium and a couple of suburbs away I am teaching in a demountable which is 45° because we don’t have air conditioning. It is about basic equity and nowhere near a culture war issue.
Teaching in classrooms without air conditioning in Queensland makes it almost possible to foster a
a culture of learning.
we meant the likes of Julian Leeser MP and The Federal Coalition are always trying to inflame culture wars so how rich it is for them to talk about falling educational standards
focus shift
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-28/sydney-westmead-hospital-emergency-wait-times/107164844
With the NSW election due in March 2027, Dr Betros said hospital wait times would shape up as a key election issue. “The people of Western Sydney … actually deserve better health care,” he said. Adnaan’s pain has since eased with medication, but he still does not have a diagnosis and is waiting to see a specialist. “I feel like if we can’t even fix something as simple as the hospital system, then a lot of people will lose their lives,” he said. “It’s made me rethink … who I do vote for.”
we think yous should vote for Corruption andor Ein Reich, they will fix this for sure
wait but yousr abc have been telling everyone how rba have been raising rates specifically as a response to inflation, so who’s lying
“He’s just terribly unlucky, isn’t he? Every day he wakes up and it’s someone else’s fault … The link between inflation and high interest rates that we’ve seen for the last four-and-a-half years is with this government,” he said.
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so what yousr abc is saying is that fantastic great move well done is lying
but everyone will vote for ein reich anyway so who cares
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:
yeah but pretty sure inflaming culture wars is going to be more beneficial for students than fostering a culture of learning
But it is not a culture war. If a private school gets funding for a new (almost) world class music auditorium and a couple of suburbs away I am teaching in a demountable which is 45° because we don’t have air conditioning. It is about basic equity and nowhere near a culture war issue.
Teaching in classrooms without air conditioning in Queensland makes it almost possible to foster a
a culture of learning.
we meant the likes of Julian Leeser MP and The Federal Coalition are always trying to inflame culture wars so how rich it is for them to talk about falling educational standards
So true!
ms spock said:
SCIENCE said:ms spock said:
But it is not a culture war. If a private school gets funding for a new (almost) world class music auditorium and a couple of suburbs away I am teaching in a demountable which is 45° because we don’t have air conditioning. It is about basic equity and nowhere near a culture war issue.
Teaching in classrooms without air conditioning in Queensland makes it almost possible to foster a
a culture of learning.
we meant the likes of Julian Leeser MP and The Federal Coalition are always trying to inflame culture wars so how rich it is for them to talk about falling educational standards
So true!
Every time they speak educational standards fall.
Jailing children fails on every measure. So why do we persist?
Saul Eslake
Economist
September 27, 2026 — 4:30pm
In these cash-strapped times, I’m often asked how governments can save money. One area Australian leaders have so far largely failed to consider is our prisons – the money we spend to build and staff them for the vast numbers of people who enter those gates and usually end up making at least one return visit.
Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.
Yet despite these massive outlays (imagine how we could support a child in the community and change their trajectory with $1.3 million), the evidence overwhelmingly shows that jailing is failing. Imprisonment makes further offending more likely (not less) and entrenches disadvantage that inevitably means greater spending down the line on unemployment support, health and housing.
From a fiscal perspective, it’s almost nonsensical. Policymakers around the world and from all sides of politics have recognised this. In the US, 21 states partially or fully closed at least one correctional facility between 2000 and 2022, reducing capacity by 81,444 prison beds. Here in Australia, the conservative Institute of Public Affairs has argued that the 37 per cent of people incarcerated for non-violent offences should not be dealt with by a prison sentence.
When governments chase votes by being seen to be “tough on crime”, the economic arguments against overreliance on prisons often fall by the wayside. This may change with the launch of a new coalition (which I have joined), Economists for Justice Reform, which believes that the economic case against prisons as our default policy response to crime and disadvantage should be given much more weight.
The number of people in Australian prisons has soared over the past three decades from 18,193 in 1996 to 49,295 in the most recent data, growing more than three times faster than the population itself. The surge is largely driven by much higher numbers of people who are on remand waiting for court, including many who have been charged with minor offences. This surge does not reflect higher crime rates, but rather the policy and legislative settings which are driving more people into prison and making it much harder for people to access bail.
As a result, our prisons have become even more overcrowded and cost more to staff and maintain. Access to education and services within prisons to help prevent reincarceration remains limited, as does post-release support. We are setting people up to fail again, with community safety also at risk. Recidivism rates in Australia are far higher than most comparable countries, with 45 per cent of adults released from prison returning there within two years and 84 per cent of children released from detention returning to sentenced supervision within 12 months.
Some work has been done to attempt to quantify the costs of this approach. A 2019 study of children at risk of criminalisation in NSW found that 7 per cent of individuals under the age of 25 will account for half the estimated cost of the state’s social services by the time they are 40 years old. Additionally, 1 per cent of this group will be responsible for 32 per cent of NSW’s total justice service costs, highlighting that early intervention targeting a small but critical group can reduce future costs significantly.
While there are long-term savings to be had, a change of tack would require governments to make large upfront investments into prevention and early support and intervention initiatives. The long-term savings can then be (re)invested into new or continued prevention and early intervention initiatives.
The Productivity Commission did some work on this in 2021, releasing a report on “Australia’s prison dilemma” and highlighting alternative approaches to prison that could achieve better outcomes at lower costs, such as diversion programs, restorative justice and home detention.
But the missing part of this equation to date has been the political courage to say that locking people up isn’t always the smartest approach. Getting politicians to do what makes economic or moral sense is often challenging amid rising populism and media cycles driven by clickbait algorithms.
Continuing to throw billions at a system that drives further offending is poor policy and fiscal negligence. At a time when governments are stretched and debt is growing, a reassessment of our costly overreliance on prisons and the relative lack of investment in evidence-based alternatives to incarceration would prove valuable. We will see far greater returns from investing upfront where the dividend is highest: keeping people out of prison in the first place.
Saul Eslake is an independent economist and an inaugural member of Economists for Justice Reform, established by the Justice Reform Initiative.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/jailing-children-fails-on-every-measure-so-why-do-we-persist-20260927-p610j9.html
party_pants said:
ms spock said:
party_pants said:what is IDF in this context?
I got it wrong it is ADF not IDF party pants.
OK,
.. what is ADF?
Australian Defence Force.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jailing children fails on every measure. So why do we persist?Saul Eslake
Economist
September 27, 2026 — 4:30pmIn these cash-strapped times, I’m often asked how governments can save money. One area Australian leaders have so far largely failed to consider is our prisons – the money we spend to build and staff them for the vast numbers of people who enter those gates and usually end up making at least one return visit.
Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.
Yet despite these massive outlays (imagine how we could support a child in the community and change their trajectory with $1.3 million), the evidence overwhelmingly shows that jailing is failing. Imprisonment makes further offending more likely (not less) and entrenches disadvantage that inevitably means greater spending down the line on unemployment support, health and housing.
From a fiscal perspective, it’s almost nonsensical. Policymakers around the world and from all sides of politics have recognised this. In the US, 21 states partially or fully closed at least one correctional facility between 2000 and 2022, reducing capacity by 81,444 prison beds. Here in Australia, the conservative Institute of Public Affairs has argued that the 37 per cent of people incarcerated for non-violent offences should not be dealt with by a prison sentence.
When governments chase votes by being seen to be “tough on crime”, the economic arguments against overreliance on prisons often fall by the wayside. This may change with the launch of a new coalition (which I have joined), Economists for Justice Reform, which believes that the economic case against prisons as our default policy response to crime and disadvantage should be given much more weight.
The number of people in Australian prisons has soared over the past three decades from 18,193 in 1996 to 49,295 in the most recent data, growing more than three times faster than the population itself. The surge is largely driven by much higher numbers of people who are on remand waiting for court, including many who have been charged with minor offences. This surge does not reflect higher crime rates, but rather the policy and legislative settings which are driving more people into prison and making it much harder for people to access bail.
As a result, our prisons have become even more overcrowded and cost more to staff and maintain. Access to education and services within prisons to help prevent reincarceration remains limited, as does post-release support. We are setting people up to fail again, with community safety also at risk. Recidivism rates in Australia are far higher than most comparable countries, with 45 per cent of adults released from prison returning there within two years and 84 per cent of children released from detention returning to sentenced supervision within 12 months.
Some work has been done to attempt to quantify the costs of this approach. A 2019 study of children at risk of criminalisation in NSW found that 7 per cent of individuals under the age of 25 will account for half the estimated cost of the state’s social services by the time they are 40 years old. Additionally, 1 per cent of this group will be responsible for 32 per cent of NSW’s total justice service costs, highlighting that early intervention targeting a small but critical group can reduce future costs significantly.
While there are long-term savings to be had, a change of tack would require governments to make large upfront investments into prevention and early support and intervention initiatives. The long-term savings can then be (re)invested into new or continued prevention and early intervention initiatives.
The Productivity Commission did some work on this in 2021, releasing a report on “Australia’s prison dilemma” and highlighting alternative approaches to prison that could achieve better outcomes at lower costs, such as diversion programs, restorative justice and home detention.
But the missing part of this equation to date has been the political courage to say that locking people up isn’t always the smartest approach. Getting politicians to do what makes economic or moral sense is often challenging amid rising populism and media cycles driven by clickbait algorithms.
Continuing to throw billions at a system that drives further offending is poor policy and fiscal negligence. At a time when governments are stretched and debt is growing, a reassessment of our costly overreliance on prisons and the relative lack of investment in evidence-based alternatives to incarceration would prove valuable. We will see far greater returns from investing upfront where the dividend is highest: keeping people out of prison in the first place.
Saul Eslake is an independent economist and an inaugural member of Economists for Justice Reform, established by the Justice Reform Initiative.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/jailing-children-fails-on-every-measure-so-why-do-we-persist-20260927-p610j9.html
Perhaps an unfortunate reality is once a person is imprisoned its already too late in most circumstances to fix them.
Nurture has determined their key personality traits that don’t work in a “civilised” society
Its kind of we have given up on them, maybe the next generation will be better
WA has a number of specialist courts and programmes to divert people away from prison.
Drug Court, DV court, Intellectual Disability, Mental Disability
We’ve also spent a lot of money on modernising Home Detention so they aren’t sitting in prison waiting for court appearances.
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jailing children fails on every measure. So why do we persist?Saul Eslake
Economist
September 27, 2026 — 4:30pmIn these cash-strapped times, I’m often asked how governments can save money. One area Australian leaders have so far largely failed to consider is our prisons – the money we spend to build and staff them for the vast numbers of people who enter those gates and usually end up making at least one return visit.
Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.
Yet despite these massive outlays (imagine how we could support a child in the community and change their trajectory with $1.3 million), the evidence overwhelmingly shows that jailing is failing. Imprisonment makes further offending more likely (not less) and entrenches disadvantage that inevitably means greater spending down the line on unemployment support, health and housing.
From a fiscal perspective, it’s almost nonsensical. Policymakers around the world and from all sides of politics have recognised this. In the US, 21 states partially or fully closed at least one correctional facility between 2000 and 2022, reducing capacity by 81,444 prison beds. Here in Australia, the conservative Institute of Public Affairs has argued that the 37 per cent of people incarcerated for non-violent offences should not be dealt with by a prison sentence.
When governments chase votes by being seen to be “tough on crime”, the economic arguments against overreliance on prisons often fall by the wayside. This may change with the launch of a new coalition (which I have joined), Economists for Justice Reform, which believes that the economic case against prisons as our default policy response to crime and disadvantage should be given much more weight.
The number of people in Australian prisons has soared over the past three decades from 18,193 in 1996 to 49,295 in the most recent data, growing more than three times faster than the population itself. The surge is largely driven by much higher numbers of people who are on remand waiting for court, including many who have been charged with minor offences. This surge does not reflect higher crime rates, but rather the policy and legislative settings which are driving more people into prison and making it much harder for people to access bail.
As a result, our prisons have become even more overcrowded and cost more to staff and maintain. Access to education and services within prisons to help prevent reincarceration remains limited, as does post-release support. We are setting people up to fail again, with community safety also at risk. Recidivism rates in Australia are far higher than most comparable countries, with 45 per cent of adults released from prison returning there within two years and 84 per cent of children released from detention returning to sentenced supervision within 12 months.
Some work has been done to attempt to quantify the costs of this approach. A 2019 study of children at risk of criminalisation in NSW found that 7 per cent of individuals under the age of 25 will account for half the estimated cost of the state’s social services by the time they are 40 years old. Additionally, 1 per cent of this group will be responsible for 32 per cent of NSW’s total justice service costs, highlighting that early intervention targeting a small but critical group can reduce future costs significantly.
While there are long-term savings to be had, a change of tack would require governments to make large upfront investments into prevention and early support and intervention initiatives. The long-term savings can then be (re)invested into new or continued prevention and early intervention initiatives.
The Productivity Commission did some work on this in 2021, releasing a report on “Australia’s prison dilemma” and highlighting alternative approaches to prison that could achieve better outcomes at lower costs, such as diversion programs, restorative justice and home detention.
But the missing part of this equation to date has been the political courage to say that locking people up isn’t always the smartest approach. Getting politicians to do what makes economic or moral sense is often challenging amid rising populism and media cycles driven by clickbait algorithms.
Continuing to throw billions at a system that drives further offending is poor policy and fiscal negligence. At a time when governments are stretched and debt is growing, a reassessment of our costly overreliance on prisons and the relative lack of investment in evidence-based alternatives to incarceration would prove valuable. We will see far greater returns from investing upfront where the dividend is highest: keeping people out of prison in the first place.
Saul Eslake is an independent economist and an inaugural member of Economists for Justice Reform, established by the Justice Reform Initiative.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/jailing-children-fails-on-every-measure-so-why-do-we-persist-20260927-p610j9.html
Perhaps an unfortunate reality is once a person is imprisoned its already too late in most circumstances to fix them.
Nurture has determined their key personality traits that don’t work in a “civilised” society
Its kind of we have given up on them, maybe the next generation will be better
That is categorically untrue for the majority of people who end up imprisoned.
Arts said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jailing children fails on every measure. So why do we persist?Saul Eslake
Economist
September 27, 2026 — 4:30pmIn these cash-strapped times, I’m often asked how governments can save money. One area Australian leaders have so far largely failed to consider is our prisons – the money we spend to build and staff them for the vast numbers of people who enter those gates and usually end up making at least one return visit.
Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.
Yet despite these massive outlays (imagine how we could support a child in the community and change their trajectory with $1.3 million), the evidence overwhelmingly shows that jailing is failing. Imprisonment makes further offending more likely (not less) and entrenches disadvantage that inevitably means greater spending down the line on unemployment support, health and housing.
From a fiscal perspective, it’s almost nonsensical. Policymakers around the world and from all sides of politics have recognised this. In the US, 21 states partially or fully closed at least one correctional facility between 2000 and 2022, reducing capacity by 81,444 prison beds. Here in Australia, the conservative Institute of Public Affairs has argued that the 37 per cent of people incarcerated for non-violent offences should not be dealt with by a prison sentence.
When governments chase votes by being seen to be “tough on crime”, the economic arguments against overreliance on prisons often fall by the wayside. This may change with the launch of a new coalition (which I have joined), Economists for Justice Reform, which believes that the economic case against prisons as our default policy response to crime and disadvantage should be given much more weight.
The number of people in Australian prisons has soared over the past three decades from 18,193 in 1996 to 49,295 in the most recent data, growing more than three times faster than the population itself. The surge is largely driven by much higher numbers of people who are on remand waiting for court, including many who have been charged with minor offences. This surge does not reflect higher crime rates, but rather the policy and legislative settings which are driving more people into prison and making it much harder for people to access bail.
As a result, our prisons have become even more overcrowded and cost more to staff and maintain. Access to education and services within prisons to help prevent reincarceration remains limited, as does post-release support. We are setting people up to fail again, with community safety also at risk. Recidivism rates in Australia are far higher than most comparable countries, with 45 per cent of adults released from prison returning there within two years and 84 per cent of children released from detention returning to sentenced supervision within 12 months.
Some work has been done to attempt to quantify the costs of this approach. A 2019 study of children at risk of criminalisation in NSW found that 7 per cent of individuals under the age of 25 will account for half the estimated cost of the state’s social services by the time they are 40 years old. Additionally, 1 per cent of this group will be responsible for 32 per cent of NSW’s total justice service costs, highlighting that early intervention targeting a small but critical group can reduce future costs significantly.
While there are long-term savings to be had, a change of tack would require governments to make large upfront investments into prevention and early support and intervention initiatives. The long-term savings can then be (re)invested into new or continued prevention and early intervention initiatives.
The Productivity Commission did some work on this in 2021, releasing a report on “Australia’s prison dilemma” and highlighting alternative approaches to prison that could achieve better outcomes at lower costs, such as diversion programs, restorative justice and home detention.
But the missing part of this equation to date has been the political courage to say that locking people up isn’t always the smartest approach. Getting politicians to do what makes economic or moral sense is often challenging amid rising populism and media cycles driven by clickbait algorithms.
Continuing to throw billions at a system that drives further offending is poor policy and fiscal negligence. At a time when governments are stretched and debt is growing, a reassessment of our costly overreliance on prisons and the relative lack of investment in evidence-based alternatives to incarceration would prove valuable. We will see far greater returns from investing upfront where the dividend is highest: keeping people out of prison in the first place.
Saul Eslake is an independent economist and an inaugural member of Economists for Justice Reform, established by the Justice Reform Initiative.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/jailing-children-fails-on-every-measure-so-why-do-we-persist-20260927-p610j9.html
Perhaps an unfortunate reality is once a person is imprisoned its already too late in most circumstances to fix them.
Nurture has determined their key personality traits that don’t work in a “civilised” society
Its kind of we have given up on them, maybe the next generation will be betterThat is categorically untrue for the majority of people who end up imprisoned.
I’m not agreeing with myself, just wondering if we have too much faith in people’s ability to change
Or outside forces having a realistic chance of fixing people to have some normality.
Human’s are far more fragile mentally than even the most conservative estimate.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jailing children fails on every measure. So why do we persist?Saul Eslake
Economist
September 27, 2026 — 4:30pmIn these cash-strapped times, I’m often asked how governments can save money. One area Australian leaders have so far largely failed to consider is our prisons – the money we spend to build and staff them for the vast numbers of people who enter those gates and usually end up making at least one return visit.
Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.
Yet despite these massive outlays (imagine how we could support a child in the community and change their trajectory with $1.3 million), the evidence overwhelmingly shows that jailing is failing. Imprisonment makes further offending more likely (not less) and entrenches disadvantage that inevitably means greater spending down the line on unemployment support, health and housing.
From a fiscal perspective, it’s almost nonsensical. Policymakers around the world and from all sides of politics have recognised this. In the US, 21 states partially or fully closed at least one correctional facility between 2000 and 2022, reducing capacity by 81,444 prison beds. Here in Australia, the conservative Institute of Public Affairs has argued that the 37 per cent of people incarcerated for non-violent offences should not be dealt with by a prison sentence.
When governments chase votes by being seen to be “tough on crime”, the economic arguments against overreliance on prisons often fall by the wayside. This may change with the launch of a new coalition (which I have joined), Economists for Justice Reform, which believes that the economic case against prisons as our default policy response to crime and disadvantage should be given much more weight.
The number of people in Australian prisons has soared over the past three decades from 18,193 in 1996 to 49,295 in the most recent data, growing more than three times faster than the population itself. The surge is largely driven by much higher numbers of people who are on remand waiting for court, including many who have been charged with minor offences. This surge does not reflect higher crime rates, but rather the policy and legislative settings which are driving more people into prison and making it much harder for people to access bail.
As a result, our prisons have become even more overcrowded and cost more to staff and maintain. Access to education and services within prisons to help prevent reincarceration remains limited, as does post-release support. We are setting people up to fail again, with community safety also at risk. Recidivism rates in Australia are far higher than most comparable countries, with 45 per cent of adults released from prison returning there within two years and 84 per cent of children released from detention returning to sentenced supervision within 12 months.
Some work has been done to attempt to quantify the costs of this approach. A 2019 study of children at risk of criminalisation in NSW found that 7 per cent of individuals under the age of 25 will account for half the estimated cost of the state’s social services by the time they are 40 years old. Additionally, 1 per cent of this group will be responsible for 32 per cent of NSW’s total justice service costs, highlighting that early intervention targeting a small but critical group can reduce future costs significantly.
While there are long-term savings to be had, a change of tack would require governments to make large upfront investments into prevention and early support and intervention initiatives. The long-term savings can then be (re)invested into new or continued prevention and early intervention initiatives.
The Productivity Commission did some work on this in 2021, releasing a report on “Australia’s prison dilemma” and highlighting alternative approaches to prison that could achieve better outcomes at lower costs, such as diversion programs, restorative justice and home detention.
But the missing part of this equation to date has been the political courage to say that locking people up isn’t always the smartest approach. Getting politicians to do what makes economic or moral sense is often challenging amid rising populism and media cycles driven by clickbait algorithms.
Continuing to throw billions at a system that drives further offending is poor policy and fiscal negligence. At a time when governments are stretched and debt is growing, a reassessment of our costly overreliance on prisons and the relative lack of investment in evidence-based alternatives to incarceration would prove valuable. We will see far greater returns from investing upfront where the dividend is highest: keeping people out of prison in the first place.
Saul Eslake is an independent economist and an inaugural member of Economists for Justice Reform, established by the Justice Reform Initiative.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/jailing-children-fails-on-every-measure-so-why-do-we-persist-20260927-p610j9.html
Well expressed.
Agree.
“Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.”
That’s 846 children?
That one paragraph is quite outrageous.
ms spock said:
party_pants said:
ms spock said:I got it wrong it is ADF not IDF party pants.
OK,
.. what is ADF?
Australian Defence Force.
…or, as we used to say, All Dumb Fucks.
Arts said:
Cymek said:Perhaps an unfortunate reality is once a person is imprisoned its already too late in most circumstances to fix them.
Nurture has determined their key personality traits that don’t work in a “civilised” society
Its kind of we have given up on them, maybe the next generation will be betterThat is categorically untrue for the majority of people who end up imprisoned.
Does sound like the old ‘criminal classes’ idea.
Does anyone know if the taxpayers will get a cut of the profits?
Cymek said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:Perhaps an unfortunate reality is once a person is imprisoned its already too late in most circumstances to fix them.
Nurture has determined their key personality traits that don’t work in a “civilised” society
Its kind of we have given up on them, maybe the next generation will be betterThat is categorically untrue for the majority of people who end up imprisoned.
I’m not agreeing with myself, just wondering if we have too much faith in people’s ability to change
Or outside forces having a realistic chance of fixing people to have some normality.
Human’s are far more fragile mentally than even the most conservative estimate.
The issue is trying to change people, it is in creating an equality where people with limited choices can become prosocial..
we only see the choices people make, not the choices they get.
captain_spalding said:
Does anyone know if the taxpayers will get a cut of the profits?
Taxpayers get a cut of the reported profits from any company working in Australia.
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jailing children fails on every measure. So why do we persist?Saul Eslake
Economist
September 27, 2026 — 4:30pmIn these cash-strapped times, I’m often asked how governments can save money. One area Australian leaders have so far largely failed to consider is our prisons – the money we spend to build and staff them for the vast numbers of people who enter those gates and usually end up making at least one return visit.
Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.
Yet despite these massive outlays (imagine how we could support a child in the community and change their trajectory with $1.3 million), the evidence overwhelmingly shows that jailing is failing. Imprisonment makes further offending more likely (not less) and entrenches disadvantage that inevitably means greater spending down the line on unemployment support, health and housing.
From a fiscal perspective, it’s almost nonsensical. Policymakers around the world and from all sides of politics have recognised this. In the US, 21 states partially or fully closed at least one correctional facility between 2000 and 2022, reducing capacity by 81,444 prison beds. Here in Australia, the conservative Institute of Public Affairs has argued that the 37 per cent of people incarcerated for non-violent offences should not be dealt with by a prison sentence.
When governments chase votes by being seen to be “tough on crime”, the economic arguments against overreliance on prisons often fall by the wayside. This may change with the launch of a new coalition (which I have joined), Economists for Justice Reform, which believes that the economic case against prisons as our default policy response to crime and disadvantage should be given much more weight.
The number of people in Australian prisons has soared over the past three decades from 18,193 in 1996 to 49,295 in the most recent data, growing more than three times faster than the population itself. The surge is largely driven by much higher numbers of people who are on remand waiting for court, including many who have been charged with minor offences. This surge does not reflect higher crime rates, but rather the policy and legislative settings which are driving more people into prison and making it much harder for people to access bail.
As a result, our prisons have become even more overcrowded and cost more to staff and maintain. Access to education and services within prisons to help prevent reincarceration remains limited, as does post-release support. We are setting people up to fail again, with community safety also at risk. Recidivism rates in Australia are far higher than most comparable countries, with 45 per cent of adults released from prison returning there within two years and 84 per cent of children released from detention returning to sentenced supervision within 12 months.
Some work has been done to attempt to quantify the costs of this approach. A 2019 study of children at risk of criminalisation in NSW found that 7 per cent of individuals under the age of 25 will account for half the estimated cost of the state’s social services by the time they are 40 years old. Additionally, 1 per cent of this group will be responsible for 32 per cent of NSW’s total justice service costs, highlighting that early intervention targeting a small but critical group can reduce future costs significantly.
While there are long-term savings to be had, a change of tack would require governments to make large upfront investments into prevention and early support and intervention initiatives. The long-term savings can then be (re)invested into new or continued prevention and early intervention initiatives.
The Productivity Commission did some work on this in 2021, releasing a report on “Australia’s prison dilemma” and highlighting alternative approaches to prison that could achieve better outcomes at lower costs, such as diversion programs, restorative justice and home detention.
But the missing part of this equation to date has been the political courage to say that locking people up isn’t always the smartest approach. Getting politicians to do what makes economic or moral sense is often challenging amid rising populism and media cycles driven by clickbait algorithms.
Continuing to throw billions at a system that drives further offending is poor policy and fiscal negligence. At a time when governments are stretched and debt is growing, a reassessment of our costly overreliance on prisons and the relative lack of investment in evidence-based alternatives to incarceration would prove valuable. We will see far greater returns from investing upfront where the dividend is highest: keeping people out of prison in the first place.
Saul Eslake is an independent economist and an inaugural member of Economists for Justice Reform, established by the Justice Reform Initiative.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/jailing-children-fails-on-every-measure-so-why-do-we-persist-20260927-p610j9.html
Well expressed.
Agree.
“Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.”
That’s 846 children?
That one paragraph is quite outrageous.
yeah but why would you spend that amount on preventative education when you can just spend it on repressing the right type of people
captain_spalding said:
Does anyone know if the taxpayers will get a cut of the profits?
Such impertinance!
Arts said:
Cymek said:
Arts said:That is categorically untrue for the majority of people who end up imprisoned.
I’m not agreeing with myself, just wondering if we have too much faith in people’s ability to change
Or outside forces having a realistic chance of fixing people to have some normality.
Human’s are far more fragile mentally than even the most conservative estimate.The issue is trying to change people, it is in creating an equality where people with limited choices can become prosocial..
we only see the choices people make, not the choices they get.
True.
And people only always make the best choice they can with the information they’ve go to inform that choice. Otherwise they would’ve made a better choice.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jailing children fails on every measure. So why do we persist?Saul Eslake
Economist
September 27, 2026 — 4:30pmIn these cash-strapped times, I’m often asked how governments can save money. One area Australian leaders have so far largely failed to consider is our prisons – the money we spend to build and staff them for the vast numbers of people who enter those gates and usually end up making at least one return visit.
Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.
Yet despite these massive outlays (imagine how we could support a child in the community and change their trajectory with $1.3 million), the evidence overwhelmingly shows that jailing is failing. Imprisonment makes further offending more likely (not less) and entrenches disadvantage that inevitably means greater spending down the line on unemployment support, health and housing.
From a fiscal perspective, it’s almost nonsensical. Policymakers around the world and from all sides of politics have recognised this. In the US, 21 states partially or fully closed at least one correctional facility between 2000 and 2022, reducing capacity by 81,444 prison beds. Here in Australia, the conservative Institute of Public Affairs has argued that the 37 per cent of people incarcerated for non-violent offences should not be dealt with by a prison sentence.
When governments chase votes by being seen to be “tough on crime”, the economic arguments against overreliance on prisons often fall by the wayside. This may change with the launch of a new coalition (which I have joined), Economists for Justice Reform, which believes that the economic case against prisons as our default policy response to crime and disadvantage should be given much more weight.
The number of people in Australian prisons has soared over the past three decades from 18,193 in 1996 to 49,295 in the most recent data, growing more than three times faster than the population itself. The surge is largely driven by much higher numbers of people who are on remand waiting for court, including many who have been charged with minor offences. This surge does not reflect higher crime rates, but rather the policy and legislative settings which are driving more people into prison and making it much harder for people to access bail.
As a result, our prisons have become even more overcrowded and cost more to staff and maintain. Access to education and services within prisons to help prevent reincarceration remains limited, as does post-release support. We are setting people up to fail again, with community safety also at risk. Recidivism rates in Australia are far higher than most comparable countries, with 45 per cent of adults released from prison returning there within two years and 84 per cent of children released from detention returning to sentenced supervision within 12 months.
Some work has been done to attempt to quantify the costs of this approach. A 2019 study of children at risk of criminalisation in NSW found that 7 per cent of individuals under the age of 25 will account for half the estimated cost of the state’s social services by the time they are 40 years old. Additionally, 1 per cent of this group will be responsible for 32 per cent of NSW’s total justice service costs, highlighting that early intervention targeting a small but critical group can reduce future costs significantly.
While there are long-term savings to be had, a change of tack would require governments to make large upfront investments into prevention and early support and intervention initiatives. The long-term savings can then be (re)invested into new or continued prevention and early intervention initiatives.
The Productivity Commission did some work on this in 2021, releasing a report on “Australia’s prison dilemma” and highlighting alternative approaches to prison that could achieve better outcomes at lower costs, such as diversion programs, restorative justice and home detention.
But the missing part of this equation to date has been the political courage to say that locking people up isn’t always the smartest approach. Getting politicians to do what makes economic or moral sense is often challenging amid rising populism and media cycles driven by clickbait algorithms.
Continuing to throw billions at a system that drives further offending is poor policy and fiscal negligence. At a time when governments are stretched and debt is growing, a reassessment of our costly overreliance on prisons and the relative lack of investment in evidence-based alternatives to incarceration would prove valuable. We will see far greater returns from investing upfront where the dividend is highest: keeping people out of prison in the first place.
Saul Eslake is an independent economist and an inaugural member of Economists for Justice Reform, established by the Justice Reform Initiative.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/jailing-children-fails-on-every-measure-so-why-do-we-persist-20260927-p610j9.html
Well expressed.
Agree.
“Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.”
That’s 846 children?
That one paragraph is quite outrageous.
yeah but why would you spend that amount on preventative education when you can just spend it on repressing the right type of people
Cynic!
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
Does anyone know if the taxpayers will get a cut of the profits?
Taxpayers get a cut of the reported profits from any company working in Australia.
Yeah, but they don’t invest directly in ‘any company working in Australia’.
How about an investor’s dividend, as well as the tax payments?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/sep/29/larissa-waters-resignation-greens-leadership-contenders
Sarah Hanson-Young and Mehreen Faruqi announce Greens leadership tilt after Larissa Waters’ shock resignation
New leader expected to be chosen imminently, with David Shoebridge, Faruqi and Hanson-Young among frontrunners
LOL
back to all this again
David Shoebridge is the new Greens leader
Queensland government department loses $800,000 in cyber attack
The Queensland government department delivering the state’s first cyber security strategy lost more than $800,000 in a cyber attack, a new report has revealed.
The Customer Services, Open Data and Small and Family Business department plays a lead role in strengthening the state government’s cyber security capabilities.
In the department’s latest annual report, the entity noted it lost $809,000 in public money as a result of an external cyber attack in July 2025.
A department spokesperson said no payment was made “to those responsible”.
“Immediate steps were taken to contain and investigate the incident, and security controls have been further strengthened.”
The review, released on Friday, said no government data or sensitive information was compromised during the incident.
“The department blocked the attack and engaged a third party to mitigate any further exposure,” the report said.
The entity is responsible for setting the cyber security policy and guidance for the state’s public sector and for managing whole-of-government cyber security services.
“The Queensland government is committed to protecting the security and resilience of its systems and services,” the spokesperson said.
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jailing children fails on every measure. So why do we persist?Saul Eslake
Economist
September 27, 2026 — 4:30pmIn these cash-strapped times, I’m often asked how governments can save money. One area Australian leaders have so far largely failed to consider is our prisons – the money we spend to build and staff them for the vast numbers of people who enter those gates and usually end up making at least one return visit.
Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.
Yet despite these massive outlays (imagine how we could support a child in the community and change their trajectory with $1.3 million), the evidence overwhelmingly shows that jailing is failing. Imprisonment makes further offending more likely (not less) and entrenches disadvantage that inevitably means greater spending down the line on unemployment support, health and housing.
From a fiscal perspective, it’s almost nonsensical. Policymakers around the world and from all sides of politics have recognised this. In the US, 21 states partially or fully closed at least one correctional facility between 2000 and 2022, reducing capacity by 81,444 prison beds. Here in Australia, the conservative Institute of Public Affairs has argued that the 37 per cent of people incarcerated for non-violent offences should not be dealt with by a prison sentence.
When governments chase votes by being seen to be “tough on crime”, the economic arguments against overreliance on prisons often fall by the wayside. This may change with the launch of a new coalition (which I have joined), Economists for Justice Reform, which believes that the economic case against prisons as our default policy response to crime and disadvantage should be given much more weight.
The number of people in Australian prisons has soared over the past three decades from 18,193 in 1996 to 49,295 in the most recent data, growing more than three times faster than the population itself. The surge is largely driven by much higher numbers of people who are on remand waiting for court, including many who have been charged with minor offences. This surge does not reflect higher crime rates, but rather the policy and legislative settings which are driving more people into prison and making it much harder for people to access bail.
As a result, our prisons have become even more overcrowded and cost more to staff and maintain. Access to education and services within prisons to help prevent reincarceration remains limited, as does post-release support. We are setting people up to fail again, with community safety also at risk. Recidivism rates in Australia are far higher than most comparable countries, with 45 per cent of adults released from prison returning there within two years and 84 per cent of children released from detention returning to sentenced supervision within 12 months.
Some work has been done to attempt to quantify the costs of this approach. A 2019 study of children at risk of criminalisation in NSW found that 7 per cent of individuals under the age of 25 will account for half the estimated cost of the state’s social services by the time they are 40 years old. Additionally, 1 per cent of this group will be responsible for 32 per cent of NSW’s total justice service costs, highlighting that early intervention targeting a small but critical group can reduce future costs significantly.
While there are long-term savings to be had, a change of tack would require governments to make large upfront investments into prevention and early support and intervention initiatives. The long-term savings can then be (re)invested into new or continued prevention and early intervention initiatives.
The Productivity Commission did some work on this in 2021, releasing a report on “Australia’s prison dilemma” and highlighting alternative approaches to prison that could achieve better outcomes at lower costs, such as diversion programs, restorative justice and home detention.
But the missing part of this equation to date has been the political courage to say that locking people up isn’t always the smartest approach. Getting politicians to do what makes economic or moral sense is often challenging amid rising populism and media cycles driven by clickbait algorithms.
Continuing to throw billions at a system that drives further offending is poor policy and fiscal negligence. At a time when governments are stretched and debt is growing, a reassessment of our costly overreliance on prisons and the relative lack of investment in evidence-based alternatives to incarceration would prove valuable. We will see far greater returns from investing upfront where the dividend is highest: keeping people out of prison in the first place.
Saul Eslake is an independent economist and an inaugural member of Economists for Justice Reform, established by the Justice Reform Initiative.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/jailing-children-fails-on-every-measure-so-why-do-we-persist-20260927-p610j9.html
Well expressed.
Agree.
“Australian taxpayers spend more than $7.3 billion a year on adult incarceration and over $1.1 billion a year on locking up children. The cost of keeping one adult in prison for a year is almost $120,000. Spending on youth detention has more than doubled over the past decade and now costs an average of $1.3 million per year for each child.”
That’s 846 children?
That one paragraph is quite outrageous.
Such a waste of money.
We used to be Journos
Is ABC 7.30’s coverage of conflicts biased?
ETTE
With Antoinette Lattouf and Jan Fran.
well thank the expert economic managers
“New dwelling prices rose 5.4 per cent in the 12 months to August as builders passed on higher costs for materials and labour,” Rachael McCririck, ABS head of price statistics, said. Transport was the second-largest contributor to annual inflation, due to higher automotive fuel prices. “On a monthly basis, automotive fuel prices rose 14.8 per cent in August, compared to a rise of 7.5 per cent in July,” Ms McCririck said. “This was driven by higher world oil prices and the unwinding of the remainder of the federal government’s fuel excise relief measures in August.”
pretty sure that means that nothing the reserve bank considers is affected by international proceedings
though we agree that nothing the reserve bank considers is affected by international proceedings that the Australian government has no control over
