Date: 4/11/2026 22:32:12
From: dv
ID: 2445421
Subject: Australian politics - November 2026

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-03/lobbyist-pass-sponsors-revealed-ruston-gambling/107339570

Shadow health minister sponsoring access for gambling group boss Kai Cantwell, her former chief of staff

Ministers are sponsoring passes to lobbyists seeking to influence them directly, with Labor and Liberal MPs also providing access to gambling lobbyists, according to the first disclosures of who has direct access to politicians at Parliament House.

For the first time the public has been able to see which federal politicians are providing access for lobbyists to parliament, following a decision by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to tighten access and disclosure rules earlier this year.

Among the first tranche of disclosures are two passes for gambling lobby group Responsible Wagering Australia, which represents bet365, Sportsbet, Betfair and others, and has been co-sponsored by Labor and Liberal MPs.

Shadow Health Minister Anne Ruston is the primary sponsor for Responsible Wagering Australia’s chief executive Kai Cantwell, while Labor senator Raff Ciccone sponsors its other pass, with Senator Ruston also a secondary sponsor.

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Date: 4/11/2026 22:41:57
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2445422
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-03/lobbyist-pass-sponsors-revealed-ruston-gambling/107339570

Shadow health minister sponsoring access for gambling group boss Kai Cantwell, her former chief of staff

Ministers are sponsoring passes to lobbyists seeking to influence them directly, with Labor and Liberal MPs also providing access to gambling lobbyists, according to the first disclosures of who has direct access to politicians at Parliament House.

For the first time the public has been able to see which federal politicians are providing access for lobbyists to parliament, following a decision by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to tighten access and disclosure rules earlier this year.

Among the first tranche of disclosures are two passes for gambling lobby group Responsible Wagering Australia, which represents bet365, Sportsbet, Betfair and others, and has been co-sponsored by Labor and Liberal MPs.

Shadow Health Minister Anne Ruston is the primary sponsor for Responsible Wagering Australia’s chief executive Kai Cantwell, while Labor senator Raff Ciccone sponsors its other pass, with Senator Ruston also a secondary sponsor.

Responsible Wagering: don’t bet with any currency except Smarties, and no more than 25gm per week.

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Date: 4/11/2026 22:44:22
From: party_pants
ID: 2445423
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-03/lobbyist-pass-sponsors-revealed-ruston-gambling/107339570

Shadow health minister sponsoring access for gambling group boss Kai Cantwell, her former chief of staff

Ministers are sponsoring passes to lobbyists seeking to influence them directly, with Labor and Liberal MPs also providing access to gambling lobbyists, according to the first disclosures of who has direct access to politicians at Parliament House.

For the first time the public has been able to see which federal politicians are providing access for lobbyists to parliament, following a decision by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to tighten access and disclosure rules earlier this year.

Among the first tranche of disclosures are two passes for gambling lobby group Responsible Wagering Australia, which represents bet365, Sportsbet, Betfair and others, and has been co-sponsored by Labor and Liberal MPs.

Shadow Health Minister Anne Ruston is the primary sponsor for Responsible Wagering Australia’s chief executive Kai Cantwell, while Labor senator Raff Ciccone sponsors its other pass, with Senator Ruston also a secondary sponsor.

Responsible Wagering: don’t bet with any currency except Smarties, and no more than 25gm per week.

It’s a bit Orwellian the way these groups name themselves. Responsible Wagering Australia make most of their money from irresponsible wagering. There’s plenty of other examples.

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Date: 4/11/2026 22:57:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2445424
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-03/lobbyist-pass-sponsors-revealed-ruston-gambling/107339570

Shadow health minister sponsoring access for gambling group boss Kai Cantwell, her former chief of staff

Ministers are sponsoring passes to lobbyists seeking to influence them directly, with Labor and Liberal MPs also providing access to gambling lobbyists, according to the first disclosures of who has direct access to politicians at Parliament House.

For the first time the public has been able to see which federal politicians are providing access for lobbyists to parliament, following a decision by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to tighten access and disclosure rules earlier this year.

Among the first tranche of disclosures are two passes for gambling lobby group Responsible Wagering Australia, which represents bet365, Sportsbet, Betfair and others, and has been co-sponsored by Labor and Liberal MPs.

Shadow Health Minister Anne Ruston is the primary sponsor for Responsible Wagering Australia’s chief executive Kai Cantwell, while Labor senator Raff Ciccone sponsors its other pass, with Senator Ruston also a secondary sponsor.

Responsible Wagering: don’t bet with any currency except Smarties, and no more than 25gm per week.

It’s a bit Orwellian the way these groups name themselves. Responsible Wagering Australia make most of their money from irresponsible wagering. There’s plenty of other examples.

we remember the good old days of Forum when the worst out there were the AVN, oh how times change

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Date: 4/11/2026 23:03:51
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2445425
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Pauline Hanson, the High Court and the judges’ war of words
Judicial tensions have broken into open ground. Senior judges are now attacking each other in public speeches.

Patrick Begley and Jacqueline Maley
November 4, 2026

It is not often that the interests of Pauline Hanson and constitutional law buffs collide. But they are about to, as early as Thursday afternoon.

The High Court is expected to publish a decision imminently on whether it will hear Hanson’s last-ditch appeal of Federal Court findings that her “piss off back to Pakistan” tweet to Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi was unlawful hate speech.

The High Court’s decision will be short, with one pivotal word: “granted” or “refused”. Either result will feed into a swirling, complex and increasingly nasty debate about freedom of expression in this country.

A win would allow the One Nation leader to argue that section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act – which bans speech that “offends, insults, humiliates or intimidates” on the basis of race – is invalid. Hanson says it interferes unacceptably with political communication.

But a knockback by the High Court would work for Hanson, too. It would add moral leverage to her larger political goal, one most Australians would be unaware of: to hold a referendum on adding an American-style free speech clause to the Constitution.

The seven black-robed justices of the High Court are already facing a stack of tricky political communication matters, described by one barrister as “unusually spicy”. Everyone from the far right to the far left is asking where the lines are drawn and who gets to draw them.

Can parliaments legally ban a neo-Nazi party as a hate group? Kick under-16s off social media? Make it a crime to chant “from the river, to the sea” at a protest against Israel?

“This will be a litmus test for where the High Court stands on freedom of speech,” says Mia Schlicht, executive director of the conservative Samuel Griffith Society.

Judges have spent decades in bitter disagreement about the “implied freedom of political communication”, first found by the High Court in the 1990s.

The court has long held the freedom is real, if unwritten. For citizens to enjoy the democracy promised by the Constitution, they must be able to discuss politics.

But legal conservatives despise what they see as a dangerous invention, one used by activist judges to grab power from parliaments.

The dispute has fuelled a war of words between some of the most powerful judges in the country. It’s a fight over authority, influence and integrity.

The black belt judge
The Betoota Advocate once ran a story headlined: ‘You Can’t Say Anything These Days’, Says Man Who Says Whatever He Wants All The Time.

But polling suggests there is a grain of truth in the comedy. Only 58 per cent of Australians feel they have the freedom to express political opinions, according to new research by McKinnon. The number fell 10 percentage points in a year. Among young men, it plummeted from 72 per cent to just under 50 per cent.

The High Court does not see itself as a free speech saviour. It likes to project a quiet, stable, apolitical image. Its courthouse – a brutalist building on the edge of Canberra’s Lake Burley Griffin – is open to the public, if not particularly welcoming of it.

But the low-profile High Court will struggle to navigate away from political controversy with its current crop of implied freedom of political communication cases.

“It’s an incredibly hot topic,” says one senior Australian legal figure, who expects Hanson will be granted leave to appeal. (This masthead spoke to a wide range of legal professionals, who were granted anonymity to discuss current cases and serving judges.)

“It’s an opportunity for the court which Gageler, who retires in 2028, will grab,” the source predicts.

Gageler grew up in the NSW town of Sandy Hollow, the son of a sawmiller. He attended primary school in a one-teacher shack before later studying at Harvard. Other qualifications include a black belt in taekwondo. Once a minority voice on political communication cases, he has become influential over time.

“No High Court justice surpasses Chief Justice Stephen Gageler in supporting a robust implied freedom,” says former public law barrister Louise Clegg.

A rarity in the law, Clegg is a legal conservative who broadly supports the implied freedom. (She is also married to federal Opposition Leader Angus Taylor.)

“We have a mechanism for the court to protect political communication, while being more deferential to parliament than the US Supreme Court might be,” she says, predicting Hanson will win her hearing bid and then her appeal. “I sense this could be a legacy case for the Chief Justice.”

The two tweets
When Queen Elizabeth died in 2022, Mehreen Faruqi shed no tears. Within hours, the Greens senator posted on Twitter: “I cannot mourn the leader of a racist empire built on stolen lives, land and wealth of colonised peoples.”

Hanson replied: “Your attitude appals and disgusts me. When you immigrated to Australia, you took every advantage of this country. You took citizenship, bought multiple homes, and a job in a parliament. It’s clear you’re not happy, so pack your bags and piss off back to Pakistan.”

Faruqi won a civil suit against Hanson under section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, which guards against hate speech.

Hanson appealed. She invoked the implied freedom of political communication, a legal concept that allows courts to intervene if a law is clearly over the top. Unpersuaded, the Full Federal Court ruled against her.

But some experts think the decision contained flaws the High Court could pick apart.

“It’s just a really odd judgement,” says Anne Twomey, professor emerita of constitutional law at the University of Sydney. “Their reasoning is rather weird. It does not take into account the most recent judgements of the High Court of Australia on implied freedom.”

While judges are rightly focused on evidence and precedent, the political context of this case is impossible to ignore, Twomey suggests.

“ will be conscious of the fact that whatever it does will be a political football,” she says. “That might discourage them from going on the field. They might say they don’t want to play.”

Judges are both independent arbiters and actors within the political system, says UNSW constitutional law professor Gabrielle Appleby. As such, “all judges are aware of the social and political context in which they are operating”.

‘Shade thrown’
That context now includes a white supremacist group jostling for a place in politics and a tech giant bucking against government restriction, both of whom have launched claims based on the implied freedom doctrine.

The High Court is deciding whether to strike down Commonwealth laws used to ban the neo-Nazi White Australia Party. This week, the court heard arguments by the US platform Reddit that the federal government’s under-16 social media ban robbed children of chances for political communication.

Returning to the bench on Monday after several months’ sick leave was the court’s strongest critic of the implied freedom of political communication.

Justice Simon Steward is in many ways a man out of his time. Sartorially, he looks like an escapee from an Evelyn Waugh novel. He dresses in double-breasted suits, with a pocket square. He has a bust of Winston Churchill in his chambers and likes to smoke the odd cigar.

Such was Steward’s judicial bearing from a young age that colleagues have been calling him “Your Honour” since he was a junior lawyer.

Steward’s legal style is conservative. In the tradition of judges such as Ian Callinan and Dyson Heydon, he favours a black-letter law approach, which means he loathes the implied freedom of political communication as the worst of judicial activism.

Steward dutifully accepted it as established law in a case last year. But he took the opportunity to decry the freedom’s “ever-expanding reach”. He called it “uncontrollable”, “very wrong” and “just too broad”.

It was, he wrote, “anathema to a country that is supposed to be ruled by laws”.

Legal circles were scandalised, and not a little thrilled, to see a judge trash-talk a longstanding precedent, one that Steward’s fellow judges support.

On LinkedIn, a barrister posted part of Steward’s solo judgement alongside a passage from Gageler, who wrote that “respect for and fidelity to the past decisions of this Court must start with the individuals who are the current members of this Court”.

This was, according to the barrister, “shade thrown” by the Chief Justice. Another lawyer commented that Steward had been “plunged into darkness”.

Since the implied freedom was established in the 1990s, there has been little sign of any reversal by the High Court. Importantly, the freedom is not an individual right; it is merely a constraint on what governments can do.

But Melbourne University law professor Adrienne Stone says the “strong line of criticism” from Steward and his predecessors continues to unsettle the doctrine.

“There’s always this question just hanging in the air: Should we go back to the beginning and overrule it?” says Stone.

According to the Samuel Griffith Society, a conservative discussion club devoted to the constitution “as it was written”, the prospects of defeating the implied freedom depend on who’s on the court.

“Over the next 10 years, the make-up of the High Court will change drastically,” says Schlicht, the executive director. “Five members of the High Court will turn 70, which is the age at which they need to retire from the bench”.

Allegations of US-style court-stacking
Lately, judicial tensions have broken into open ground, as senior judges attack each other in public speeches. They argue about points of law and personal style. But more fundamentally, they are at odds over what it means to be a judge.

The acrimony began with a speech by High Court judge Robert Beech-Jones in May.

The Tasmanian-born Beech-Jones, who is married to the acclaimed playwright Suzie Miller, accused the Samuel Griffith Society of trying to ape the US Federalist Society, which he described as “a type of secret handshake club” bent on influencing judicial appointments via “ideological training schools”.

Without naming her, he pointed to a 2020 speech by former Liberal senator Amanda Stoker, who told the Society that “looking to judicial appointments in future, it is imperative that candidates are screened for their judicial methodology”.

‘Dynamite’ speech sets one High Court judge against another
Beech-Jones concluded: “If anyone thinks this particular US style of court stacking and judicial decision-making is a good idea, then go and live there.”

The speech went off like a cracker in legal chambers. Steward, Beech-Jones’ High Court colleague, has close ties with the Samuel Griffith Society. He received the endorsement of prominent members before he was appointed to the High Court and has delivered several papers at Society events.

At this year’s conference, the conservative judge introduced the Archbishop of Sydney Anthony Fisher, who made criticisms of the implied freedom and the conduct of pro-Palestine protests.

Schlicht said the claims in Beech-Jones’ speech about the society were baseless, although he did deliver it a recruitment boon. “We received an enormous outreach of support,” she said. “In fact, our membership grew by about 30 per cent in just two months.”

Addressing criticism that the society had become increasingly political, Shlicht said: “If the High Court is making political decisions, it should expect political scrutiny.”

Legal observers say it is easy to overstate the influence of the Samuel Griffith Society. But the speakers delivering conference papers (about 90 per cent of them male in recent years) are individually powerful and mostly conservative.

They include former prime ministers John Howard and Tony Abbott, former attorneys-general George Brandis and Christian Porter and prominent media figures such as Janet Albrechtsen and Gerard Henderson.

The star this year was Justice Ian Jackman.

Vicariously famous through his brother, the Hollywood actor Hugh, the older Jackman had already delivered a breakout performance in June at another lecture series, in which he attacked fellow judges on the Federal Court for being too slow to deliver decisions.

Jackman named names. One of the alleged culprits had died after a long illness. The incendiary speech on “go-slow judges” was exclusively reported on the front page of The Australian, complete with pictures of the six singled-out judges.

It didn’t help that Jackman had already upset some on the Federal Court by inviting his friend, alleged serial sexual harasser and former High Court judge Dyson Heydon, into his chambers to visit. After complaints from juniors, Jackman was asked not to invite Heydon again. Heydon denies all allegations against him.

A Rhodes scholar who grew up playing rugby and later turned to yoga, Jackman gave a punchy lecture to the Samuel Griffith Society conference in August, where he spoke of “deeply fractured times” and the “widespread evil of antisemitism”.

He called for a new debate on the “so-called implied freedom” and its consequences, including a NSW Court of Appeal decision this year to strike down anti-protest laws. Legal conservatives see the freedom as a fiction used by judges to disempower parliaments.

“I don’t think it’s really about free speech at all,” says one barrister, describing the conservative position. “It’s about judicial power and unelected judges.”

But Jackman’s speech was also personal. He said Gageler, the head of the High Court, had demanded “unquestioning submission to precedent” and had taken “great exception” when Steward aired his disquiet about the implied freedom.

“Given that the subject matter concerns freedom of speech,” Jackman quipped, “there are those who have been led to think (rightly or wrongly) that irony never takes a day off.”

‘A handful of bad judicial actors’
The latest salvo came from the final judge in this story, NSW Chief Justice Andrew Bell. The 60-year-old Bell is an affable former Rhodes scholar and musical theatre tragic who found love with a fellow associate when he worked under the Chief Justice of the High Court, Anthony Mason, in the ’90s (his High Court paramour, Joanna Bird, became his wife).

Bell is widely regarded as a future contender for the High Court, so people took notice when he gave a speech in September about threats to the judiciary “from within”.

“If judges are not respected, their decisions will also not be respected”, he told a legal conference in Japan. “The institution can suffer considerable damage even from one or a handful of bad judicial actors.”

Without naming him, Bell singled out Jackman as an “unfortunate example” of a judge publicly denouncing colleagues, including one who had died. The speech had “attracted generalised newspaper headlines such as ‘Our judges are letting us down’, and did damage to the reputation of judges as a class”.

One silk, describing the attacks as “wild”, maintains judges “should be able to say whatever they want, so long as it doesn’t interfere with their jobs”.

Brandis, the former attorney-general, cautions against “over-interpreting” the conflict. “Judges have always been having cracks at each other in judgements,” he says. “What is unconventional is for judges to criticise each other in public speeches.”

Professor Appleby says the conflict reveals “a level of tension and you might even say frustration in relation to these issues”. Her UNSW colleague Professor Rosalind Dixon says in Australia, unlike the US, the “ideological contest about how judging is done” is not usually fought by the judges themselves. “It’s a departure from tradition,” Dixon says.

Decorum might prevent judges from sending any “piss off” tweets to their colleagues. But even they can disagree, passionately, over how far is too far.

The cases before the High Court will see it decide how far is too far for the rest of us.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/pauline-hanson-the-high-court-and-the-judges-war-of-words-20261104-p61b7q.html

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Date: 4/11/2026 23:17:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445426
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-03/lobbyist-pass-sponsors-revealed-ruston-gambling/107339570

Shadow health minister sponsoring access for gambling group boss Kai Cantwell, her former chief of staff

Ministers are sponsoring passes to lobbyists seeking to influence them directly, with Labor and Liberal MPs also providing access to gambling lobbyists, according to the first disclosures of who has direct access to politicians at Parliament House.

For the first time the public has been able to see which federal politicians are providing access for lobbyists to parliament, following a decision by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to tighten access and disclosure rules earlier this year.

Among the first tranche of disclosures are two passes for gambling lobby group Responsible Wagering Australia, which represents bet365, Sportsbet, Betfair and others, and has been co-sponsored by Labor and Liberal MPs.

Shadow Health Minister Anne Ruston is the primary sponsor for Responsible Wagering Australia’s chief executive Kai Cantwell, while Labor senator Raff Ciccone sponsors its other pass, with Senator Ruston also a secondary sponsor.

Responsible Wagering: don’t bet with any currency except Smarties, and no more than 25gm per week.

It’s a bit Orwellian the way these groups name themselves. Responsible Wagering Australia make most of their money from irresponsible wagering. There’s plenty of other examples.

You’ve got it wrong.

The members of that group are, indeed, responsible for a lot of the wagering in this country.

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Date: 4/11/2026 23:18:39
From: party_pants
ID: 2445428
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Responsible Wagering: don’t bet with any currency except Smarties, and no more than 25gm per week.

It’s a bit Orwellian the way these groups name themselves. Responsible Wagering Australia make most of their money from irresponsible wagering. There’s plenty of other examples.

You’ve got it wrong.

The members of that group are, indeed, responsible for a lot of the wagering in this country.

touché

:)

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Date: 4/11/2026 23:28:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445430
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-03/lobbyist-pass-sponsors-revealed-ruston-gambling/107339570

Shadow health minister sponsoring access for gambling group boss Kai Cantwell, her former chief of staff

Ministers are sponsoring passes to lobbyists seeking to influence them directly, with Labor and Liberal MPs also providing access to gambling lobbyists, according to the first disclosures of who has direct access to politicians at Parliament House.

For the first time the public has been able to see which federal politicians are providing access for lobbyists to parliament, following a decision by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to tighten access and disclosure rules earlier this year.

Among the first tranche of disclosures are two passes for gambling lobby group Responsible Wagering Australia, which represents bet365, Sportsbet, Betfair and others, and has been co-sponsored by Labor and Liberal MPs.

Shadow Health Minister Anne Ruston is the primary sponsor for Responsible Wagering Australia’s chief executive Kai Cantwell, while Labor senator Raff Ciccone sponsors its other pass, with Senator Ruston also a secondary sponsor.

Why would MPs bother with people from the gambling industry?

We regularly have news reports of how the management of Star Casinos just cannot seem to make money out of an enterprise where at least 90% of the people who enter their establishments end up going home with barely a dollar to their name. And quite a lot of those customers are only too keen to repeat the experience as often as they can.

If they can’t turn a profit out of a business mode like that, then they’re obviously useless and inept morons. Surely MPs and Ministers could find better consorts?

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Date: 4/11/2026 23:41:51
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2445433
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-03/lobbyist-pass-sponsors-revealed-ruston-gambling/107339570

Shadow health minister sponsoring access for gambling group boss Kai Cantwell, her former chief of staff

Ministers are sponsoring passes to lobbyists seeking to influence them directly, with Labor and Liberal MPs also providing access to gambling lobbyists, according to the first disclosures of who has direct access to politicians at Parliament House.

For the first time the public has been able to see which federal politicians are providing access for lobbyists to parliament, following a decision by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to tighten access and disclosure rules earlier this year.

Among the first tranche of disclosures are two passes for gambling lobby group Responsible Wagering Australia, which represents bet365, Sportsbet, Betfair and others, and has been co-sponsored by Labor and Liberal MPs.

Shadow Health Minister Anne Ruston is the primary sponsor for Responsible Wagering Australia’s chief executive Kai Cantwell, while Labor senator Raff Ciccone sponsors its other pass, with Senator Ruston also a secondary sponsor.

Why would MPs bother with people from the gambling industry?

We regularly have news reports of how the management of Star Casinos just cannot seem to make money out of an enterprise where at least 90% of the people who enter their establishments end up going home with barely a dollar to their name. And quite a lot of those customers are only too keen to repeat the experience as often as they can.

If they can’t turn a profit out of a business mode like that, then they’re obviously useless and inept morons. Surely MPs and Ministers could find better consorts?

Casinos are a pretty small percentage of total gambling turnover.

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Date: 4/11/2026 23:45:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445434
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Witty Rejoinder said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-03/lobbyist-pass-sponsors-revealed-ruston-gambling/107339570

Shadow health minister sponsoring access for gambling group boss Kai Cantwell, her former chief of staff

Ministers are sponsoring passes to lobbyists seeking to influence them directly, with Labor and Liberal MPs also providing access to gambling lobbyists, according to the first disclosures of who has direct access to politicians at Parliament House.

For the first time the public has been able to see which federal politicians are providing access for lobbyists to parliament, following a decision by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to tighten access and disclosure rules earlier this year.

Among the first tranche of disclosures are two passes for gambling lobby group Responsible Wagering Australia, which represents bet365, Sportsbet, Betfair and others, and has been co-sponsored by Labor and Liberal MPs.

Shadow Health Minister Anne Ruston is the primary sponsor for Responsible Wagering Australia’s chief executive Kai Cantwell, while Labor senator Raff Ciccone sponsors its other pass, with Senator Ruston also a secondary sponsor.

Why would MPs bother with people from the gambling industry?

We regularly have news reports of how the management of Star Casinos just cannot seem to make money out of an enterprise where at least 90% of the people who enter their establishments end up going home with barely a dollar to their name. And quite a lot of those customers are only too keen to repeat the experience as often as they can.

If they can’t turn a profit out of a business mode like that, then they’re obviously useless and inept morons. Surely MPs and Ministers could find better consorts?

Casinos are a pretty small percentage of total gambling turnover.

Possibly, but my point is that, if casino operators are as described in the media, they may well be emblematic of people in the gambling industry.

Politicians shouldn’t associate with klutzes like them.

<t.i.c., if you hadn’t guessed>

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Date: 4/11/2026 23:58:34
From: party_pants
ID: 2445435
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Why would MPs bother with people from the gambling industry?

We regularly have news reports of how the management of Star Casinos just cannot seem to make money out of an enterprise where at least 90% of the people who enter their establishments end up going home with barely a dollar to their name. And quite a lot of those customers are only too keen to repeat the experience as often as they can.

If they can’t turn a profit out of a business mode like that, then they’re obviously useless and inept morons. Surely MPs and Ministers could find better consorts?

Casinos are a pretty small percentage of total gambling turnover.

Possibly, but my point is that, if casino operators are as described in the media, they may well be emblematic of people in the gambling industry.

Politicians shouldn’t associate with klutzes like them.

<t.i.c., if you hadn’t guessed>

You’re not much into sports IIRC. The major market of these gambling organisations is sports gambling. They have for years been trying to get their sports betting embedded into the major sporting events. Not just during ad breaks, but during the match commentary. These efforts have been given the kybosh by the Federal government in bits and pieces over the years. The industry still want the regulations repealed and deregulated, so they have open slather.

It’s a bit like tobacco sponsorship of every major sport up until the 90s when people started to question if this was a good thing. Governments have tried to nip it in the bud, but the industry won’t let up. Horse racing is dying a slow death, the greyhounds are one foot in the grave already, they want to branch out into mainstream human sports.

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Date: 5/11/2026 00:02:55
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445436
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Casinos are a pretty small percentage of total gambling turnover.

Possibly, but my point is that, if casino operators are as described in the media, they may well be emblematic of people in the gambling industry.

Politicians shouldn’t associate with klutzes like them.

<t.i.c., if you hadn’t guessed>

You’re not much into sports IIRC. The major market of these gambling organisations is sports gambling. They have for years been trying to get their sports betting embedded into the major sporting events. Not just during ad breaks, but during the match commentary. These efforts have been given the kybosh by the Federal government in bits and pieces over the years. The industry still want the regulations repealed and deregulated, so they have open slather.

It’s a bit like tobacco sponsorship of every major sport up until the 90s when people started to question if this was a good thing. Governments have tried to nip it in the bud, but the industry won’t let up. Horse racing is dying a slow death, the greyhounds are one foot in the grave already, they want to branch out into mainstream human sports.

Well, they have lobbyist’s ultimate medicine for what they see as their illness: money.

Maybe not all politicians can be bought, but if you talk to enough of them often enough, i reckon you’ll eventually find one or two.

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Date: 5/11/2026 17:38:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 2445716
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Pauline is appealing against her racial discrimination finding in the High Court.

The High Court will hear Pauline Hanson’s appeal of a 2024 court ruling that found she racially vilified Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi in 2022.

Senator Hanson told Senator Faruqi to “piss off back to Pakistan” after Senator Faruqi wrote on social media that she could not mourn the Queen, calling her the “leader of a racist empire”.

Senator Hanson welcomed the court’s decision to hear the case, saying it was about “freedom of speech”, while Senator Faruqi issued a statement saying “bring it on”.

Link

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Date: 6/11/2026 06:40:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2445797
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

wait wait wait so

An early prison assessment of the man who police allege deliberately rammed federal MP Helen Haines has found no indication of extremism.

it turns out that if our great dear beloved politician leadership class are serious about safety and harm reduction and preventing violence and preserving civility, then

The initial evaluation of Brendan Nugent says he held delusions of being persecuted and was most likely in a state of psychosis.

they’re actually just calling for better support for mental health care

wow

Brendan Nugent’s mental health assessment.

This is heartbreaking for me to read.

disagree

this is good news

all those resources they promised to pour into preventing these tragedies

we would love to see them keep their promise and pour resources into preventing these tragedies

we love it when politicians set their hearts on doing the right things for their communities

Well…my sister was failed by a lack of resources in the Northern Rivers area in 2006. She had schizophrenia and was paranoid etc. So much of that assessment echoes what she went through. That’s what is heartbreaking, nothing changes.

fair, and hence we agree this is a great opportunity for those in power to make some changes

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-05/brendan-nugent-linked-dog-incident-victoria-police-helen-haines/107349240

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-06/nurse-allegedly-sexually-assaulted-thomas-embling-staff-concerns/107351782

let’s prevent more of these tragedies

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Date: 6/11/2026 06:42:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2445799
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Maybe it’s just me but Coalition pollies, particularly Matt Canavan seem to be far more sensible of late. I wonder if they’ve given up on the inflammatory off the cuff click-bait comments in the fear that they’ll be compared unfavourably with the RWNJs in One Nation.

It’s easy to look sensible wihen the people to the right of you look like raving loonies

(I know, this was mid afternoon, but I’m reading back a bit)

It’s not just you. But also, they have stopped being all shouty. And histrionic. But that stopped as soon as ScoMo was gone.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-06/michelle-grattan-are-nationals-on-life-support/107352856

sorry we’ll try to stay up to date

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Date: 6/11/2026 06:52:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2445802
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dft do these jokers ever write anything other than clickbait

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-05/david-speers-us-midterms-australian-economy/107345626

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:15:24
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2445905
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.”

Hear hear!

…

Cutting government spending may slow prices, but it could bring on something worse

Millie Muroi
Economics Writer
November 6, 2026 — 5:00am

It’s easy to take our anger out on people we’re closest to. Bad day at work? Testing times at school? Your favourite team losing a game?

Often, those in our immediate vicinity cop the brunt of our frustration – even if our dissatisfaction has little, or nothing, to do with them.

as their roles in our economic demise. Neither of them are perfect, but the problems they are tackling are not of their making. Nor is the solution as easy as calling for the government to cut spending or the bank to cut interest rates.

The bank has come under fire for raising interest rates (most recently to the highest level since the global financial crisis): hammering mortgage holders, slowing the economy down to a crawl and undoing some of the gains we’ve had in the jobs market.

The bank’s aim, of course, is to dampen the rate of price growth across the economy – and not raising interest rates would have probably put it in the firing line for doing too little about inflation.

The government, similarly, is grappling with competing demands. On the one hand, it is getting blasted for spending “too much” (and therefore making the Reserve Bank’s job of tackling inflation harder).

On the other hand, as Reserve Bank governor Michele Bullock points out, the government has an obligation to provide many goods and services, from Medicare to income support payments (without which many of us would probably be quite unhappy – and unhealthy).

And as Australia Institute economists Matt Grudnoff and Greg Jericho note, government spending has already been playing a diminishing role in our economic growth recently – especially when considering population growth.

Without government spending in the three months to June (the most recent period for which we have “national accounts” data), the country would have dipped into a per-person recession.

While the economy grew 0.4 per cent in the June quarter, our population growth meant that everyone’s bite of the pie was no bigger than it was the previous quarter.

A recession is not a fun experience, nor is it just temporary pain: it upends people’s lives.
In the quarter before that (the three months to March), the Australian economy grew 0.3 per cent, but per-person economic growth actually shrank by 0.1 per cent. That is, on average, Australians were worse off.

Since government spending contributed to about one quarter of economic growth in the June quarter, without it, the country would have ended up in a “per person recession”.

Remember, a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth.

Now, some people may think a recession is an acceptable trade-off for dampening inflation. But there’s a reason the Reserve Bank, government, and indeed most of us, are reluctant to go down that path.

A recession is not a fun experience, nor is it just temporary pain: it upends people’s lives.

Those who lose their jobs during a recession often struggle for years – up to a decade – to return to the salaries they were once on. Some end up never working again at all.

And a recession tends to hurt vulnerable people most, disproportionately harming low-income households and younger workers trying to find a foothold in the jobs market, deepening inequality.

Businesses also cut back on research and development: a key to driving long-term productivity (something that has been lagging in Australia), and newer, innovative start-ups which otherwise would have succeeded may fail.

As we know, productivity growth (our ability to produce and provide more – or better quality – goods and services with the limited resources we have) is crucial for lifting our living standards and dampening inflation.

While the Reserve Bank has pushed back against suggestions we’re at risk of a recession, we are very much on a knife’s edge.

The country’s major banks, CBA and NAB both see economic growth slowing to about 1 per cent next year and HSBC chief economist Paul Bloxham (formerly an economist at the Reserve Bank) has put the chances that we slip into a recession at 50 per cent.

And as Bullock herself acknowledges, Australians are poorer – and they’re feeling it.

Pulling back government spending now is likely to worsen the risk of a recession and of more people flocking to populist parties such as One Nation.

The fact that we’re poorer isn’t the government or the bank’s doing.

Sure, higher interest rates are leaving many households with less to spend, but they are also helping to dampen price growth (without which we wouldn’t be able to afford as much).

And while government spending is adding to the overall level of “demand” in the economy, pushing up against our limited “supply” capacity and therefore increasing price pressures, it has also stopped us from slipping into a per-person recession.

Treasurer Jim Chalmers has said the government can – and intends to – “play a helpful role” in the fight against inflation with some savings to come in its mid-year budget update next month.

If it decides to go down that path, there are some things the governments could cut back on with relatively less harm – especially to those who are vulnerable.

For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.

It’s important to remember, however, that the economic trouble we find ourselves in right now is largely the result of factors the government and Reserve Bank have little control over – and which are, in some senses, temporary.

First, the war in the Middle East has caused oil and fuel prices to surge, with big knock-on effects to the prices of other goods and services which are made, produced or transported using those resources.

Second, the global AI boom has driven massive demand for data centre construction and pushed up the prices of inputs: everything from energy to memory chips and construction workers. Most of the spending from this boom – about 70 per cent according to the bank – is ending up overseas, in the form of profits for overseas owners or money paid to overseas suppliers for imports.

And since imports are technically subtracted from the equation for economic growth, a lot of data centre spending is slowing down our economy.

The government can, of course, limit approvals for data centre construction. But that doesn’t stop the global shortages in resources that are driving up prices across the board. And there is a risk that stifling AI development could leave Australia behind in reaping the productivity and economic benefits of AI.

The Australia Institute suggests we should do everything we can to avoid a recession. “If the price of doing that is having inflation that has been largely caused by external factors, still elevated for a longer period, then that is a price we should be happy to pay,” it says.

While frustration about inflation is often more vocal and visible, especially because it affects everyone, both the government and bank should be cautious about being too heavy-handed in the fight against it.

The tricky position we’re in now is not, for the most part, caused by the bank or government (though they cop the brunt of the blame). That doesn’t mean they’re off the hook, though – or that they should bend to pressure.

Inflation might generate more vocal anger, but recessions often cause deeper and longer-term economic devastation with life-changing damage that can be irreversible.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/cutting-government-spending-may-slow-prices-but-it-could-bring-on-something-worse-20261106-p61bql.html

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:23:00
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445912
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:25:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2445917
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

ahaha

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:25:55
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2445919
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

Abolishing the Super tax breaks could fund huge tax cuts for those on low and middle incomes. Labor should take this to an election and hope the promised tax cuts for most people will convince them to give Labor another term.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:26:06
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2445920
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

the subsidies to private schools thing is always brought up and while I agree more money into public education is good thing, I’m not sure just turning off all funding into the private system is the answer either.

like all things, it’s balancing act.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:26:37
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2445922
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

I hate big utes amaa, but I doubt they do significantly more dame to road paving.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:27:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445924
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Witty Rejoinder said:


captain_spalding said:

“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

Abolishing the Super tax breaks could fund huge tax cuts for those on low and middle incomes. Labor should take this to an election and hope the promised tax cuts for most people will convince them to give Labor another term.

Let’s start with the $21 billion a year. See how that goes.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:28:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445925
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

diddly-squat said:


captain_spalding said:

“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

the subsidies to private schools thing is always brought up and while I agree more money into public education is good thing, I’m not sure just turning off all funding into the private system is the answer either.

like all things, it’s balancing act.

Millie didn’t say ‘cut of the subsidies’. She said ‘wind them back’.

She’s saying there’s $21 billion to be had there, just by not giving them as much as they’re currently getting.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:29:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 2445927
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

the subsidies to private schools thing is always brought up and while I agree more money into public education is good thing, I’m not sure just turning off all funding into the private system is the answer either.

like all things, it’s balancing act.

Millie didn’t say ‘cut of the subsidies’. She said ‘wind them back’.

She’s saying there’s $21 billion to be had there, just by not giving them as much as they’re currently getting.

Nods.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:31:28
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2445930
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Witty Rejoinder said:


captain_spalding said:

“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

Abolishing the Super tax breaks could fund huge tax cuts for those on low and middle incomes. Labor should take this to an election and hope the promised tax cuts for most people will convince them to give Labor another term.

totally agree.. The Australian (income) tax system needs to be dramatically simplified. We should cap all deductions/rebates at say $10k and that in of itself would probably allow us to reduce income tax rates across the board.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:32:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2445932
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

diddly-squat said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

Abolishing the Super tax breaks could fund huge tax cuts for those on low and middle incomes. Labor should take this to an election and hope the promised tax cuts for most people will convince them to give Labor another term.

totally agree.. The Australian (income) tax system needs to be dramatically simplified. We should cap all deductions/rebates at say $10k and that in of itself would probably allow us to reduce income tax rates across the board.

Yes.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:33:26
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2445933
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

the subsidies to private schools thing is always brought up and while I agree more money into public education is good thing, I’m not sure just turning off all funding into the private system is the answer either.

like all things, it’s balancing act.

Millie didn’t say ‘cut of the subsidies’. She said ‘wind them back’.

She’s saying there’s $21 billion to be had there, just by not giving them as much as they’re currently getting.

yes I know, my point is that it’s balancing act. we need to work out where the most cost effective place is to spend public money and do that.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:35:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445936
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

$21 billion a year saved by just telling private schools that they’ll have to do with al bit less.

$65 billion dollars by reducing (not ‘abolishing’) super tax breaks for high income earners.

Ask two groups in Australian society who can probably afford it best to not expect quite so much largesse, and there’s $86 billion that the rest of the people don’t have to cough up.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:35:33
From: dv
ID: 2445937
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

I hate big utes amaa, but I doubt they do significantly more dame to road paving.

Curb weight for the full spec RAM 1500 is maybe twice the weight of an ordinary sedan, so the damage will be roughly 16 times.

Of course some of these are actually being used to move heavy goods. But most of them are being used to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, a task that can be done admirably by a mid-sized sedan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:38:41
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2445941
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


$21 billion a year saved by just telling private schools that they’ll have to do with al bit less.

$65 billion dollars by reducing (not ‘abolishing’) super tax breaks for high income earners.

Ask two groups in Australian society who can probably afford it best to not expect quite so much largesse, and there’s $86 billion that the rest of the people don’t have to cough up.

or could even be put towards more productive spending

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:38:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2445942
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

the subsidies to private schools thing is always brought up and while I agree more money into public education is good thing, I’m not sure just turning off all funding into the private system is the answer either.

like all things, it’s balancing act.

Millie didn’t say ‘cut of the subsidies’. She said ‘wind them back’.

She’s saying there’s $21 billion to be had there, just by not giving them as much as they’re currently getting.

Nods.

wait but what if we public funded private schools as much as we public funded public schools, would that save public money or would it cost public money

disclaimer yes yes we know, the answer is that we would get the most public money if we just funded private schools even more, because everyone knows that when you free up money among the privileged, they go and engage in more economic activity and pay more tax and the greater cash flow trickles its way down into the public purse in even greater amounts

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:39:30
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445943
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

diddly-squat said:


captain_spalding said:

$21 billion a year saved by just telling private schools that they’ll have to do with al bit less.

$65 billion dollars by reducing (not ‘abolishing’) super tax breaks for high income earners.

Ask two groups in Australian society who can probably afford it best to not expect quite so much largesse, and there’s $86 billion that the rest of the people don’t have to cough up.

or could even be put towards more productive spending

Either/or.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:42:04
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445945
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

everyone knows that when you free up money among the privileged, they go and engage in more economic activity and pay more tax and the greater cash flow trickles its way down into the public purse in even greater amounts

Private schools do perform a great service in educating the leaders and driver’s of tomorrow’s Australian society.

It’s a well-known fact that a school which lacks a heated indoor Olympic-sized swimming pool simply cannot fulfil this role.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:42:22
From: Cymek
ID: 2445946
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

diddly-squat said:


captain_spalding said:

$21 billion a year saved by just telling private schools that they’ll have to do with al bit less.

$65 billion dollars by reducing (not ‘abolishing’) super tax breaks for high income earners.

Ask two groups in Australian society who can probably afford it best to not expect quite so much largesse, and there’s $86 billion that the rest of the people don’t have to cough up.

or could even be put towards more productive spending

If we don’t fund private schools properly how will be get outstanding quality citizens instead of public school riff raff

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:43:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2445948
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Cymek said:


diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

$21 billion a year saved by just telling private schools that they’ll have to do with al bit less.

$65 billion dollars by reducing (not ‘abolishing’) super tax breaks for high income earners.

Ask two groups in Australian society who can probably afford it best to not expect quite so much largesse, and there’s $86 billion that the rest of the people don’t have to cough up.

or could even be put towards more productive spending

If we don’t fund private schools properly how will be get outstanding quality citizens instead of public school riff raff

Private schools turn out people like Tony Abbott.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:43:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445949
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Cymek said:


diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

$21 billion a year saved by just telling private schools that they’ll have to do with al bit less.

$65 billion dollars by reducing (not ‘abolishing’) super tax breaks for high income earners.

Ask two groups in Australian society who can probably afford it best to not expect quite so much largesse, and there’s $86 billion that the rest of the people don’t have to cough up.

or could even be put towards more productive spending

If we don’t fund private schools properly how will be get outstanding quality citizens instead of public school riff raff

Look, i keep telling you people, bugger off, i’m in the captain’s seat for the MPD today.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:45:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445954
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

or could even be put towards more productive spending

If we don’t fund private schools properly how will be get outstanding quality citizens instead of public school riff raff

Private schools turn out people like Tony Abbott.

Tony had a first-class brain, no doubt about it.

IIRC, he was interested in the Labor party for a while.

Then, something happened…

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:50:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2445960
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

I hate big utes amaa, but I doubt they do significantly more dame to road paving.

Curb weight for the full spec RAM 1500 is maybe twice the weight of an ordinary sedan, so the damage will be roughly 16 times.

Of course some of these are actually being used to move heavy goods. But most of them are being used to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, a task that can be done admirably by a mid-sized sedan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

call us late to the party but we swear we honestly thought that to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, was a task that could be done admirably by a pushbike

or for distances more than a few kilometres, an ebike

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:51:26
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2445961
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

It’s important to remember that $1 out of funding for provide schools doesn’t necessarily equal $1 of free cash flow that can be otherwise saved or spent

it’s not a zero sum game

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:53:47
From: dv
ID: 2445964
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I hate big utes amaa, but I doubt they do significantly more dame to road paving.

Curb weight for the full spec RAM 1500 is maybe twice the weight of an ordinary sedan, so the damage will be roughly 16 times.

Of course some of these are actually being used to move heavy goods. But most of them are being used to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, a task that can be done admirably by a mid-sized sedan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

call us late to the party but we swear we honestly thought that to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, was a task that could be done admirably by a pushbike

or for distances more than a few kilometres, an ebike

or a train or a plane or a unicycle but that’s not the comparison that Rev was talking about.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:57:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 2445967
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Curb weight for the full spec RAM 1500 is maybe twice the weight of an ordinary sedan, so the damage will be roughly 16 times.

Of course some of these are actually being used to move heavy goods. But most of them are being used to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, a task that can be done admirably by a mid-sized sedan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

call us late to the party but we swear we honestly thought that to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, was a task that could be done admirably by a pushbike

or for distances more than a few kilometres, an ebike

or a train or a plane or a unicycle but that’s not the comparison that Rev was talking about.

There was an invention on the inventors which I thought should be mandatory on all semi-trailers. It stopped the drag of the wheels by putting in an extra fulcrum.
It wasn’t fitted to any AFAIK becuase it added $20,000 to the cost of each truck.

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Date: 6/11/2026 12:58:40
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445969
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

diddly-squat said:

It’s important to remember that $1 out of funding for provide schools doesn’t necessarily equal $1 of free cash flow that can be otherwise saved or spent

it’s not a zero sum game

You’re right. If people pay $1 less in tax, they’re not necessarily going to dash to the shops and spend it.

They may decide to, say, put it in the bank.

Which is not a bad thing, either. There’s been a lot of comment over the years about how Australians are rather crap at building their savings.

If people have an improved bank account behind them, then, while they didn’t spend that $1, they may feel more confident about spending some $ that they get in the near future.

Cash flow can still improve, but perhaps not imediately.

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:01:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2445972
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

“For example, the Australia Institute suggests the government could wind back some of its subsidies to private schools, saving up to $21 billion a year. Or, it could reduce superannuation tax breaks for high income earners, giving it back $65 billion in forgone revenue.

The government could also abolish the luxury car tax exemption for big utes, saving $250 million a year for vehicles which impose substantial costs on society including higher carbon emissions, road damage and safety risks.”

And i thought Trump lived in a dream world!

I hate big utes amaa, but I doubt they do significantly more dame to road paving.

Curb weight for the full spec RAM 1500 is maybe twice the weight of an ordinary sedan, so the damage will be roughly 16 times.

Of course some of these are actually being used to move heavy goods. But most of them are being used to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, a task that can be done admirably by a mid-sized sedan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

From TATE:

“A 1988 report by the Australian Road Research Board stated that the rule is a good approximation for rutting damage, but an exponent of 2 (rather than 4) is more appropriate to estimate fatigue cracking.

A 2017 report commissioned by the New Zealand Transport Agency found a wide variation in the best-fitting exponents for a power law on 4T axle loads vs 6T axle loads, depending on the current condition and type of the roading. As a very rough summary of its highly detailed findings: A 9th-power law is most predictive when the road is barely able to withstand the 6T load; and the per-crossing damage is roughly linear to axle-weight when the pavement is able to withstand much higher loads than 6T per axle.”

so:
1) It’s not that simple.
2) It’s the top end axle loads (i.e. heavy trucks) that do the damage, and the difference between mid-range and bottom of the range is not that much.

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:03:01
From: Cymek
ID: 2445974
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Curb weight for the full spec RAM 1500 is maybe twice the weight of an ordinary sedan, so the damage will be roughly 16 times.

Of course some of these are actually being used to move heavy goods. But most of them are being used to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, a task that can be done admirably by a mid-sized sedan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

call us late to the party but we swear we honestly thought that to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, was a task that could be done admirably by a pushbike

or for distances more than a few kilometres, an ebike

or a train or a plane or a unicycle but that’s not the comparison that Rev was talking about.

Something I noticed in Perth city near where I work is using pavers on the road instead of bitumen.
Large numbers are cracked because of the buses and I also assume the heavy armoured court transport vehicles
It’s a strange choice unless its because they could be ripped out easier

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:05:34
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2445978
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


diddly-squat said:

It’s important to remember that $1 out of funding for provide schools doesn’t necessarily equal $1 of free cash flow that can be otherwise saved or spent

it’s not a zero sum game

You’re right. If people pay $1 less in tax, they’re not necessarily going to dash to the shops and spend it.

They may decide to, say, put it in the bank.

Which is not a bad thing, either. There’s been a lot of comment over the years about how Australians are rather crap at building their savings.

If people have an improved bank account behind them, then, while they didn’t spend that $1, they may feel more confident about spending some $ that they get in the near future.

Cash flow can still improve, but perhaps not imediately.

that’s not really what I meant,

my point is that funding private education goes some way to lessening the burden on the public system (it’s similar to healthcare). Removing incentives that enable people to access private education will very likely result in people having to make an economic decision that increases load in the public system.

So the question needs to be, what is the minimum about of funding for private schools that maximises funding per student in the public system.

It’s the same with healthcare, the same with higher education…

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:09:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2445982
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I hate big utes amaa, but I doubt they do significantly more dame to road paving.

Curb weight for the full spec RAM 1500 is maybe twice the weight of an ordinary sedan, so the damage will be roughly 16 times.

Of course some of these are actually being used to move heavy goods. But most of them are being used to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, a task that can be done admirably by a mid-sized sedan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

call us late to the party but we swear we honestly thought that to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, was a task that could be done admirably by a pushbike

or for distances more than a few kilometres, an ebike

But that’s a different issue. The party was discussing “mid-sized sedans” vs. over-sized utes regarding damage to roads.

And don’t get me started on people riding e-bikes at high speed through pedestrian areas.

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:11:57
From: Cymek
ID: 2445986
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Curb weight for the full spec RAM 1500 is maybe twice the weight of an ordinary sedan, so the damage will be roughly 16 times.

Of course some of these are actually being used to move heavy goods. But most of them are being used to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, a task that can be done admirably by a mid-sized sedan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

call us late to the party but we swear we honestly thought that to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, was a task that could be done admirably by a pushbike

or for distances more than a few kilometres, an ebike

But that’s a different issue. The party was discussing “mid-sized sedans” vs. over-sized utes regarding damage to roads.

And don’t get me started on people riding e-bikes at high speed through pedestrian areas.

Uber Eats Drivers “Diplomatic immunity”

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:12:44
From: dv
ID: 2445988
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I hate big utes amaa, but I doubt they do significantly more dame to road paving.

Curb weight for the full spec RAM 1500 is maybe twice the weight of an ordinary sedan, so the damage will be roughly 16 times.

Of course some of these are actually being used to move heavy goods. But most of them are being used to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, a task that can be done admirably by a mid-sized sedan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

From TATE:

“A 1988 report by the Australian Road Research Board stated that the rule is a good approximation for rutting damage, but an exponent of 2 (rather than 4) is more appropriate to estimate fatigue cracking.

A 2017 report commissioned by the New Zealand Transport Agency found a wide variation in the best-fitting exponents for a power law on 4T axle loads vs 6T axle loads, depending on the current condition and type of the roading. As a very rough summary of its highly detailed findings: A 9th-power law is most predictive when the road is barely able to withstand the 6T load; and the per-crossing damage is roughly linear to axle-weight when the pavement is able to withstand much higher loads than 6T per axle.”

so:
1) It’s not that simple.
2) It’s the top end axle loads (i.e. heavy trucks) that do the damage, and the difference between mid-range and bottom of the range is not that much.

3/ a 2nd power law still means it is a x4 difference.
4/ there are hundreds of thousands of heavy trucks in Australia. There are fkn millions of 2 to 3 tonne utes being utilised as family cars.
5/ At this stage the use of heavy trucks to move goods is a necessity. The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:14:58
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2445991
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

The Rev Dodgson said:

And don’t get me started on people riding e-bikes at high speed through pedestrian areas.

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:17:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2445995
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

diddly-squat said:


captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

It’s important to remember that $1 out of funding for provide schools doesn’t necessarily equal $1 of free cash flow that can be otherwise saved or spent

it’s not a zero sum game

You’re right. If people pay $1 less in tax, they’re not necessarily going to dash to the shops and spend it.

They may decide to, say, put it in the bank.

Which is not a bad thing, either. There’s been a lot of comment over the years about how Australians are rather crap at building their savings.

If people have an improved bank account behind them, then, while they didn’t spend that $1, they may feel more confident about spending some $ that they get in the near future.

Cash flow can still improve, but perhaps not imediately.

that’s not really what I meant,

my point is that funding private education goes some way to lessening the burden on the public system (it’s similar to healthcare). Removing incentives that enable people to access private education will very likely result in people having to make an economic decision that increases load in the public system.

So the question needs to be, what is the minimum about of funding for private schools that maximises funding per student in the public system.

It’s the same with healthcare, the same with higher education…

I see now. You’re right, it’s not an either/or situation. Certainly not in the short term.

On the face of it, zero funding for ‘private’ means max funding for ‘public’ students.

But, this can’t be done overnight. A flood of students from ‘private’ to ‘public’ can’t be contemplated.

It can be done gradually, winding back the funding to ‘private’, and spending at least some of that money on ‘public’, gradually making ‘public’ a more attractive choice.

And, that’s what the news item suggested. ‘Wind back’ the funding to ‘private’. They can still operate, but perhaps in not such ‘comfortable’ style. They may have to reconsider priorities, and re-think some capital expenditure plans.

Perhaps, eventually, ‘public’ schools might offer education and facilities about equal with the ‘diminished private’, and then the choice of school might become more about preferred values and philosophies.

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:22:55
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2445998
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

You’re right. If people pay $1 less in tax, they’re not necessarily going to dash to the shops and spend it.

They may decide to, say, put it in the bank.

Which is not a bad thing, either. There’s been a lot of comment over the years about how Australians are rather crap at building their savings.

If people have an improved bank account behind them, then, while they didn’t spend that $1, they may feel more confident about spending some $ that they get in the near future.

Cash flow can still improve, but perhaps not imediately.

that’s not really what I meant,

my point is that funding private education goes some way to lessening the burden on the public system (it’s similar to healthcare). Removing incentives that enable people to access private education will very likely result in people having to make an economic decision that increases load in the public system.

So the question needs to be, what is the minimum about of funding for private schools that maximises funding per student in the public system.

It’s the same with healthcare, the same with higher education…

I see now. You’re right, it’s not an either/or situation. Certainly not in the short term.

On the face of it, zero funding for ‘private’ means max funding for ‘public’ students.

But, this can’t be done overnight. A flood of students from ‘private’ to ‘public’ can’t be contemplated.

It can be done gradually, winding back the funding to ‘private’, and spending at least some of that money on ‘public’, gradually making ‘public’ a more attractive choice.

And, that’s what the news item suggested. ‘Wind back’ the funding to ‘private’. They can still operate, but perhaps in not such ‘comfortable’ style. They may have to reconsider priorities, and re-think some capital expenditure plans.

Perhaps, eventually, ‘public’ schools might offer education and facilities about equal with the ‘diminished private’, and then the choice of school might become more about preferred values and philosophies.

Exactly.. max funding into the public system may not necessarily end up being the maximum funding per public school student. That’s the circle the system needs to square.

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:27:57
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2446006
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Curb weight for the full spec RAM 1500 is maybe twice the weight of an ordinary sedan, so the damage will be roughly 16 times.

Of course some of these are actually being used to move heavy goods. But most of them are being used to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, a task that can be done admirably by a mid-sized sedan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

From TATE:

“A 1988 report by the Australian Road Research Board stated that the rule is a good approximation for rutting damage, but an exponent of 2 (rather than 4) is more appropriate to estimate fatigue cracking.

A 2017 report commissioned by the New Zealand Transport Agency found a wide variation in the best-fitting exponents for a power law on 4T axle loads vs 6T axle loads, depending on the current condition and type of the roading. As a very rough summary of its highly detailed findings: A 9th-power law is most predictive when the road is barely able to withstand the 6T load; and the per-crossing damage is roughly linear to axle-weight when the pavement is able to withstand much higher loads than 6T per axle.”

so:
1) It’s not that simple.
2) It’s the top end axle loads (i.e. heavy trucks) that do the damage, and the difference between mid-range and bottom of the range is not that much.

3/ a 2nd power law still means it is a x4 difference.
4/ there are hundreds of thousands of heavy trucks in Australia. There are fkn millions of 2 to 3 tonne utes being utilised as family cars.
5/ At this stage the use of heavy trucks to move goods is a necessity. The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.

That’s why I hate them as much as anyone, but it’s not because of the damage they do to the roads.

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:29:03
From: dv
ID: 2446007
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

From TATE:

“A 1988 report by the Australian Road Research Board stated that the rule is a good approximation for rutting damage, but an exponent of 2 (rather than 4) is more appropriate to estimate fatigue cracking.

A 2017 report commissioned by the New Zealand Transport Agency found a wide variation in the best-fitting exponents for a power law on 4T axle loads vs 6T axle loads, depending on the current condition and type of the roading. As a very rough summary of its highly detailed findings: A 9th-power law is most predictive when the road is barely able to withstand the 6T load; and the per-crossing damage is roughly linear to axle-weight when the pavement is able to withstand much higher loads than 6T per axle.”

so:
1) It’s not that simple.
2) It’s the top end axle loads (i.e. heavy trucks) that do the damage, and the difference between mid-range and bottom of the range is not that much.

3/ a 2nd power law still means it is a x4 difference.
4/ there are hundreds of thousands of heavy trucks in Australia. There are fkn millions of 2 to 3 tonne utes being utilised as family cars.
5/ At this stage the use of heavy trucks to move goods is a necessity. The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.

That’s why I hate them as much as anyone, but it’s not because of the damage they do to the roads.

I mean you don’t just have to have one reason. For me, the extra damage to the roads is in the mix.

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:33:50
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2446012
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

“ The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.”

A while back, it was said that the question which occupied thoughts of the ‘upper middle class’ was:

“But, is the Range Rover justified?”

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:34:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2446013
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

3/ a 2nd power law still means it is a x4 difference.
4/ there are hundreds of thousands of heavy trucks in Australia. There are fkn millions of 2 to 3 tonne utes being utilised as family cars.
5/ At this stage the use of heavy trucks to move goods is a necessity. The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.

That’s why I hate them as much as anyone, but it’s not because of the damage they do to the roads.

I mean you don’t just have to have one reason. For me, the extra damage to the roads is in the mix.

OK, it’s in the mix.

But what I really hate is when there are continuous cars parked along a suburban street, leaving just enough room for two-way traffic for reasonable sized cars, and then you see a ute in the middle of the road way down the street, and you have to find somewhere to pull over to let it get passed.

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:34:24
From: dv
ID: 2446015
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


” The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.”

A while back, it was said that the question which occupied thoughts of the ‘upper middle class’ was:

“But, is the Range Rover justified?”

Seems like most of them decided it was

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:37:22
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2446017
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

” The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.”

A while back, it was said that the question which occupied thoughts of the ‘upper middle class’ was:

“But, is the Range Rover justified?”

Seems like most of them decided it was

Oh, they were never going to give them up.

Just wanted something to soothe their consciences.

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Date: 6/11/2026 13:47:32
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2446021
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

or could even be put towards more productive spending

If we don’t fund private schools properly how will be get outstanding quality citizens instead of public school riff raff

Private schools turn out people like Tony Abbott.

A terrible disappointment to the Jesuits at Riverview that man.

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:28:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 2446031
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Mr Katter showed no indication he would change his tune.

In fact, he penned his own response to the track.

‘You’ve got the jaws / You’ve got the claws / But I’ve got the .44s.’
_+
Link

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:29:49
From: Woodie
ID: 2446032
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


diddly-squat said:

It’s important to remember that $1 out of funding for provide schools doesn’t necessarily equal $1 of free cash flow that can be otherwise saved or spent

it’s not a zero sum game

You’re right. If people pay $1 less in tax, they’re not necessarily going to dash to the shops and spend it.

They may decide to, say, put it in the bank.

Which is not a bad thing, either. There’s been a lot of comment over the years about how Australians are rather crap at building their savings.

If people have an improved bank account behind them, then, while they didn’t spend that $1, they may feel more confident about spending some $ that they get in the near future.

Cash flow can still improve, but perhaps not imediately.

…….. And if they put that dollar in the bank, the bank will lend it to someone that will spend it.

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:30:57
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2446034
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Woodie said:


captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

It’s important to remember that $1 out of funding for provide schools doesn’t necessarily equal $1 of free cash flow that can be otherwise saved or spent

it’s not a zero sum game

You’re right. If people pay $1 less in tax, they’re not necessarily going to dash to the shops and spend it.

They may decide to, say, put it in the bank.

Which is not a bad thing, either. There’s been a lot of comment over the years about how Australians are rather crap at building their savings.

If people have an improved bank account behind them, then, while they didn’t spend that $1, they may feel more confident about spending some $ that they get in the near future.

Cash flow can still improve, but perhaps not imediately.

…….. And if they put that dollar in the bank, the bank will lend it to someone that will spend it.

..and that, boys and girls, is how ‘capitalism’ works!

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:33:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2446035
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

roughbarked said:

Mr Katter showed no indication he would change his tune.

In fact, he penned his own response to the track.

‘You’ve got the jaws / You’ve got the claws / But I’ve got the .44s.’
_+
Link

sorry we thought everyone was meant to

But when a Far North band wrote a new song about him from the croc’s point of view, the veteran MP fired back with a lyrical threat.

turn down the temperature of political violence

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:40:09
From: Cymek
ID: 2446036
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

roughbarked said:


Mr Katter showed no indication he would change his tune.

In fact, he penned his own response to the track.

‘You’ve got the jaws / You’ve got the claws / But I’ve got the .44s.’
_+
Link

He’s not welcome back

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:49:17
From: Woodie
ID: 2446037
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

diddly-squat said:


captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

that’s not really what I meant,

my point is that funding private education goes some way to lessening the burden on the public system (it’s similar to healthcare). Removing incentives that enable people to access private education will very likely result in people having to make an economic decision that increases load in the public system.

So the question needs to be, what is the minimum about of funding for private schools that maximises funding per student in the public system.

It’s the same with healthcare, the same with higher education…

I see now. You’re right, it’s not an either/or situation. Certainly not in the short term.

On the face of it, zero funding for ‘private’ means max funding for ‘public’ students.

But, this can’t be done overnight. A flood of students from ‘private’ to ‘public’ can’t be contemplated.

It can be done gradually, winding back the funding to ‘private’, and spending at least some of that money on ‘public’, gradually making ‘public’ a more attractive choice.

And, that’s what the news item suggested. ‘Wind back’ the funding to ‘private’. They can still operate, but perhaps in not such ‘comfortable’ style. They may have to reconsider priorities, and re-think some capital expenditure plans.

Perhaps, eventually, ‘public’ schools might offer education and facilities about equal with the ‘diminished private’, and then the choice of school might become more about preferred values and philosophies.

Exactly.. max funding into the public system may not necessarily end up being the maximum funding per public school student. That’s the circle the system needs to square.

When was the last time the public school system was adequately funded? When was the last time the public school system put their hand up and said “That’s too much. Here ya go, have some of it back”. (Same with the public hospital system)

These public systems will never be “adequately funded” because they will always spend the lot.

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:52:07
From: party_pants
ID: 2446038
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Woodie said:


diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

I see now. You’re right, it’s not an either/or situation. Certainly not in the short term.

On the face of it, zero funding for ‘private’ means max funding for ‘public’ students.

But, this can’t be done overnight. A flood of students from ‘private’ to ‘public’ can’t be contemplated.

It can be done gradually, winding back the funding to ‘private’, and spending at least some of that money on ‘public’, gradually making ‘public’ a more attractive choice.

And, that’s what the news item suggested. ‘Wind back’ the funding to ‘private’. They can still operate, but perhaps in not such ‘comfortable’ style. They may have to reconsider priorities, and re-think some capital expenditure plans.

Perhaps, eventually, ‘public’ schools might offer education and facilities about equal with the ‘diminished private’, and then the choice of school might become more about preferred values and philosophies.

Exactly.. max funding into the public system may not necessarily end up being the maximum funding per public school student. That’s the circle the system needs to square.

When was the last time the public school system was adequately funded? When was the last time the public school system put their hand up and said “That’s too much. Here ya go, have some of it back”. (Same with the public hospital system)

These public systems will never be “adequately funded” because they will always spend the lot.

If we had a law that said all politicians must send their children to public schools only, then they’d be well funded.

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:54:46
From: Woodie
ID: 2446039
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

3/ a 2nd power law still means it is a x4 difference.
4/ there are hundreds of thousands of heavy trucks in Australia. There are fkn millions of 2 to 3 tonne utes being utilised as family cars.
5/ At this stage the use of heavy trucks to move goods is a necessity. The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.

That’s why I hate them as much as anyone, but it’s not because of the damage they do to the roads.

I mean you don’t just have to have one reason. For me, the extra damage to the roads is in the mix.

“The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost all ways a needless extravagance”

Cost of living crisis? My arse. . ….

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:55:59
From: dv
ID: 2446040
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Woodie said:


diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

I see now. You’re right, it’s not an either/or situation. Certainly not in the short term.

On the face of it, zero funding for ‘private’ means max funding for ‘public’ students.

But, this can’t be done overnight. A flood of students from ‘private’ to ‘public’ can’t be contemplated.

It can be done gradually, winding back the funding to ‘private’, and spending at least some of that money on ‘public’, gradually making ‘public’ a more attractive choice.

And, that’s what the news item suggested. ‘Wind back’ the funding to ‘private’. They can still operate, but perhaps in not such ‘comfortable’ style. They may have to reconsider priorities, and re-think some capital expenditure plans.

Perhaps, eventually, ‘public’ schools might offer education and facilities about equal with the ‘diminished private’, and then the choice of school might become more about preferred values and philosophies.

Exactly.. max funding into the public system may not necessarily end up being the maximum funding per public school student. That’s the circle the system needs to square.

When was the last time the public school system was adequately funded? When was the last time the public school system put their hand up and said “That’s too much. Here ya go, have some of it back”. (Same with the public hospital system)

These public systems will never be “adequately funded” because they will always spend the lot.

So rather than just relying on the feedback of the school and hospital admin, we have benchmarks. Are waiting times for surgeries over 8 months? Are 25% of the students in demountable buildings without proper aircon? Are we falling behind the standards of care and education provision expected in other developed nations?

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:56:38
From: Woodie
ID: 2446042
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


” The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.”

A while back, it was said that the question which occupied thoughts of the ‘upper middle class’ was:

“But, is the Range Rover justified?”

Toorak tractors.

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:58:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 2446044
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Mr Katter showed no indication he would change his tune.

In fact, he penned his own response to the track.

‘You’ve got the jaws / You’ve got the claws / But I’ve got the .44s.’
_+
Link

sorry we thought everyone was meant to

But when a Far North band wrote a new song about him from the croc’s point of view, the veteran MP fired back with a lyrical threat.

turn down the temperature of political violence

Bob was nnever one of those.

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Date: 6/11/2026 14:59:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2446046
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Woodie said:


captain_spalding said:

” The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.”

A while back, it was said that the question which occupied thoughts of the ‘upper middle class’ was:

“But, is the Range Rover justified?”

Toorak tractors.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

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Date: 6/11/2026 15:05:52
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2446051
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:


Woodie said:

diddly-squat said:

Exactly.. max funding into the public system may not necessarily end up being the maximum funding per public school student. That’s the circle the system needs to square.

When was the last time the public school system was adequately funded? When was the last time the public school system put their hand up and said “That’s too much. Here ya go, have some of it back”. (Same with the public hospital system)

These public systems will never be “adequately funded” because they will always spend the lot.

So rather than just relying on the feedback of the school and hospital admin, we have benchmarks. Are waiting times for surgeries over 8 months? Are 25% of the students in demountable buildings without proper aircon? Are we falling behind the standards of care and education provision expected in other developed nations?

slow down poindexter

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Date: 6/11/2026 15:52:13
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2446070
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


diddly-squat said:

It’s important to remember that $1 out of funding for provide schools doesn’t necessarily equal $1 of free cash flow that can be otherwise saved or spent

it’s not a zero sum game

You’re right. If people pay $1 less in tax, they’re not necessarily going to dash to the shops and spend it.

They may decide to, say, put it in the bank.

Which is not a bad thing, either. There’s been a lot of comment over the years about how Australians are rather crap at building their savings.

If people have an improved bank account behind them, then, while they didn’t spend that $1, they may feel more confident about spending some $ that they get in the near future.

Cash flow can still improve, but perhaps not imediately.

The Super system is basically compulsory saving. At 12% Australia now saves so much we don’t know what to do with it all.

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Date: 6/11/2026 16:18:59
From: Michael V
ID: 2446083
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Curb weight for the full spec RAM 1500 is maybe twice the weight of an ordinary sedan, so the damage will be roughly 16 times.

Of course some of these are actually being used to move heavy goods. But most of them are being used to move a small number of people, often precisely 1, a task that can be done admirably by a mid-sized sedan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

From TATE:

“A 1988 report by the Australian Road Research Board stated that the rule is a good approximation for rutting damage, but an exponent of 2 (rather than 4) is more appropriate to estimate fatigue cracking.

A 2017 report commissioned by the New Zealand Transport Agency found a wide variation in the best-fitting exponents for a power law on 4T axle loads vs 6T axle loads, depending on the current condition and type of the roading. As a very rough summary of its highly detailed findings: A 9th-power law is most predictive when the road is barely able to withstand the 6T load; and the per-crossing damage is roughly linear to axle-weight when the pavement is able to withstand much higher loads than 6T per axle.”

so:
1) It’s not that simple.
2) It’s the top end axle loads (i.e. heavy trucks) that do the damage, and the difference between mid-range and bottom of the range is not that much.

3/ a 2nd power law still means it is a x4 difference.
4/ there are hundreds of thousands of heavy trucks in Australia. There are fkn millions of 2 to 3 tonne utes being utilised as family cars.
5/ At this stage the use of heavy trucks to move goods is a necessity. The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.

5+/ And because it is a “Work Ute” it, its fuel and its maintenance is subsidised through the tax system.

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Date: 6/11/2026 18:41:26
From: Woodie
ID: 2446152
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

Mr Katter showed no indication he would change his tune.

In fact, he penned his own response to the track.

‘You’ve got the jaws / You’ve got the claws / But I’ve got the .44s.’
_+
Link

He’s not welcome back

So he’s in the Cotter, not Katter camp.

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Date: 6/11/2026 18:55:33
From: Woodie
ID: 2446159
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Michael V said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

From TATE:

“A 1988 report by the Australian Road Research Board stated that the rule is a good approximation for rutting damage, but an exponent of 2 (rather than 4) is more appropriate to estimate fatigue cracking.

A 2017 report commissioned by the New Zealand Transport Agency found a wide variation in the best-fitting exponents for a power law on 4T axle loads vs 6T axle loads, depending on the current condition and type of the roading. As a very rough summary of its highly detailed findings: A 9th-power law is most predictive when the road is barely able to withstand the 6T load; and the per-crossing damage is roughly linear to axle-weight when the pavement is able to withstand much higher loads than 6T per axle.”

so:
1) It’s not that simple.
2) It’s the top end axle loads (i.e. heavy trucks) that do the damage, and the difference between mid-range and bottom of the range is not that much.

3/ a 2nd power law still means it is a x4 difference.
4/ there are hundreds of thousands of heavy trucks in Australia. There are fkn millions of 2 to 3 tonne utes being utilised as family cars.
5/ At this stage the use of heavy trucks to move goods is a necessity. The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.

5+/ And because it is a “Work Ute” it, its fuel and its maintenance is subsidised through the tax system.

I’ve got a “soccer mum” SUV 7 seater. I’ve never lifted the panel right at the back to raise the 2 extra seats.

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Date: 6/11/2026 18:59:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 2446160
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Michael V said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

From TATE:

“A 1988 report by the Australian Road Research Board stated that the rule is a good approximation for rutting damage, but an exponent of 2 (rather than 4) is more appropriate to estimate fatigue cracking.

A 2017 report commissioned by the New Zealand Transport Agency found a wide variation in the best-fitting exponents for a power law on 4T axle loads vs 6T axle loads, depending on the current condition and type of the roading. As a very rough summary of its highly detailed findings: A 9th-power law is most predictive when the road is barely able to withstand the 6T load; and the per-crossing damage is roughly linear to axle-weight when the pavement is able to withstand much higher loads than 6T per axle.”

so:
1) It’s not that simple.
2) It’s the top end axle loads (i.e. heavy trucks) that do the damage, and the difference between mid-range and bottom of the range is not that much.

3/ a 2nd power law still means it is a x4 difference.
4/ there are hundreds of thousands of heavy trucks in Australia. There are fkn millions of 2 to 3 tonne utes being utilised as family cars.
5/ At this stage the use of heavy trucks to move goods is a necessity. The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.

5+/ And because it is a “Work Ute” it, its fuel and its maintenance is subsidised through the tax system.

All around here, they all have land cruisers for the wife to drive to the shops and Toyota land cruiser utes for the lads. All subsidised because they own a farm or three.

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Date: 6/11/2026 19:03:40
From: buffy
ID: 2446161
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

3/ a 2nd power law still means it is a x4 difference.
4/ there are hundreds of thousands of heavy trucks in Australia. There are fkn millions of 2 to 3 tonne utes being utilised as family cars.
5/ At this stage the use of heavy trucks to move goods is a necessity. The selection of a 2.5 tonne ute to be used as a family car is almost always a needless extravagance.

5+/ And because it is a “Work Ute” it, its fuel and its maintenance is subsidised through the tax system.

All around here, they all have land cruisers for the wife to drive to the shops and Toyota land cruiser utes for the lads. All subsidised because they own a farm or three.

You have to have a reason to be able to claim a work car.

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Date: 6/11/2026 19:16:14
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2446165
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

5+/ And because it is a “Work Ute” it, its fuel and its maintenance is subsidised through the tax system.

All around here, they all have land cruisers for the wife to drive to the shops and Toyota land cruiser utes for the lads. All subsidised because they own a farm or three.

You have to have a reason to be able to claim a work car.

Or a clever accountant.

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Date: 6/11/2026 19:20:56
From: buffy
ID: 2446166
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


buffy said:

roughbarked said:

All around here, they all have land cruisers for the wife to drive to the shops and Toyota land cruiser utes for the lads. All subsidised because they own a farm or three.

You have to have a reason to be able to claim a work car.

Or a clever accountant.

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

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Date: 6/11/2026 19:35:25
From: Michael V
ID: 2446169
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

buffy said:


captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

You have to have a reason to be able to claim a work car.

Or a clever accountant.

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

Why do city tradies need 4WD utes? So they can bring their families here on holidays, towing their boats so they can go fishing. They drive up and down the beach. Their contact details are on the side of them.

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Date: 6/11/2026 19:53:37
From: Woodie
ID: 2446171
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Michael V said:


buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Or a clever accountant.

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

Why do city tradies need 4WD utes? So they can bring their families here on holidays, towing their boats so they can go fishing. They drive up and down the beach. Their contact details are on the side of them.

Again…. Cost of living crisis? My arse ………..

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Date: 6/11/2026 19:55:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2446173
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Michael V said:


buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Or a clever accountant.

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

Why do city tradies need 4WD utes? So they can bring their families here on holidays, towing their boats so they can go fishing. They drive up and down the beach. Their contact details are on the side of them.

Why do doctors want SUVs?

The deal at the hospital was that, overnight and on weekends, as part of their contracts, doctors (particularly locums) could use Qld Health vehicles for private purposes.

They had to keep the log book up to date, and they were supposed to say ‘within a reasonable radius of the hospital/town’.

They ALL ALWAYS wanted the SUVs from the fleet. Ideally, the biggest ones we had.

None of them were 4WD, but that didn’t seem to matter. As for keeping the log books, i was forever chasing them about that. As for staying within a reasonable radius: the Gold Coast, the Sunshine Coast, and Brisbane were very popular destinations. One weekend, one of our cars was spotted in Townsville.

I had some success with the log books when i pointed out to a lot of them that the log books are tax documents, and if the ATO audited them, lack of info might lead to them paying Fringe Benefits Tax. Threaten a doctor’s money, you get their attention.

One Friday, some doctor was trying to bully my one of my staff (young woman) into giving him one of a couple of SUVs we had to hold back, for early starts on Monday.

I reminded him that the cars were available to ‘subject to operational needs’, that it was me who determined what were ‘operational needs’, and i could easily make sure that ‘operational needs’ were such that he never got an SUV again.

I got an apology from him to the staffer, and we did some shuffling and wangled an SUV for him.

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Date: 6/11/2026 19:57:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2446175
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

buffy said:

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

Why do city tradies need 4WD utes? So they can bring their families here on holidays, towing their boats so they can go fishing. They drive up and down the beach. Their contact details are on the side of them.

Why do doctors want SUVs?

The deal at the hospital was that, overnight and on weekends, as part of their contracts, doctors (particularly locums) could use Qld Health vehicles for private purposes.

They had to keep the log book up to date, and they were supposed to say ‘within a reasonable radius of the hospital/town’.

They ALL ALWAYS wanted the SUVs from the fleet. Ideally, the biggest ones we had.

None of them were 4WD, but that didn’t seem to matter. As for keeping the log books, i was forever chasing them about that. As for staying within a reasonable radius: the Gold Coast, the Sunshine Coast, and Brisbane were very popular destinations. One weekend, one of our cars was spotted in Townsville.

I had some success with the log books when i pointed out to a lot of them that the log books are tax documents, and if the ATO audited them, lack of info might lead to them paying Fringe Benefits Tax. Threaten a doctor’s money, you get their attention.

One Friday, some doctor was trying to bully my one of my staff (young woman) into giving him one of a couple of SUVs we had to hold back, for early starts on Monday.

I reminded him that the cars were available to ‘subject to operational needs’, that it was me who determined what were ‘operational needs’, and i could easily make sure that ‘operational needs’ were such that he never got an SUV again.

I got an apology from him to the staffer, and we did some shuffling and wangled an SUV for him.

what an altruistic profession

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Date: 6/11/2026 20:03:01
From: Michael V
ID: 2446179
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Woodie said:


Michael V said:

buffy said:

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

Why do city tradies need 4WD utes? So they can bring their families here on holidays, towing their boats so they can go fishing. They drive up and down the beach. Their contact details are on the side of them.

Again…. Cost of living crisis? My arse ………..

They charge me $150-200/hr, so no crisis for them. And tax breaks subsidises their utes, the fuel and the maintenance. Win-win for them.

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Date: 6/11/2026 20:12:37
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2446181
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Michael V said:


buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Or a clever accountant.

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

Why do city tradies need 4WD utes? So they can bring their families here on holidays, towing their boats so they can go fishing. They drive up and down the beach. Their contact details are on the side of them.

Most tradies need to bring a wide assortment of tools with them on the off chance they’ll need it on any particular day. This generally means a ute with a tray and/or canopy so it’s basically the easiest option to own. Boris, PWM, Cap’n S OTOH…

runs away

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Date: 6/11/2026 20:14:56
From: Michael V
ID: 2446184
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Witty Rejoinder said:


Michael V said:

buffy said:

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

Why do city tradies need 4WD utes? So they can bring their families here on holidays, towing their boats so they can go fishing. They drive up and down the beach. Their contact details are on the side of them.

Most tradies need to bring a wide assortment of tools with them on the off chance they’ll need it on any particular day. This generally means a ute with a tray and/or canopy so it’s basically the easiest option to own. Boris, PWM, Cap’n S OTOH…

runs away

Ute fine. Trailer, fine. Giant RAM with an eight litre V8? Unnecessary.

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Date: 6/11/2026 20:17:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2446188
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Michael V said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Why do city tradies need 4WD utes? So they can bring their families here on holidays, towing their boats so they can go fishing. They drive up and down the beach. Their contact details are on the side of them.

Most tradies need to bring a wide assortment of tools with them on the off chance they’ll need it on any particular day. This generally means a ute with a tray and/or canopy so it’s basically the easiest option to own. Boris, PWM, Cap’n S OTOH…

runs away

Ute fine. Trailer, fine. Giant RAM with an eight litre V8? Unnecessary.

Yep. American trucks no way.

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Date: 6/11/2026 20:18:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 2446189
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


buffy said:

roughbarked said:

All around here, they all have land cruisers for the wife to drive to the shops and Toyota land cruiser utes for the lads. All subsidised because they own a farm or three.

You have to have a reason to be able to claim a work car.

Or a clever accountant.

The latter.

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Date: 6/11/2026 20:18:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 2446190
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

buffy said:


captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

You have to have a reason to be able to claim a work car.

Or a clever accountant.

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

Not everybody is audited. I wasn’t.

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Date: 6/11/2026 20:18:40
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2446192
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Michael V said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Why do city tradies need 4WD utes? So they can bring their families here on holidays, towing their boats so they can go fishing. They drive up and down the beach. Their contact details are on the side of them.

Most tradies need to bring a wide assortment of tools with them on the off chance they’ll need it on any particular day. This generally means a ute with a tray and/or canopy so it’s basically the easiest option to own. Boris, PWM, Cap’n S OTOH…

runs away

Ute fine. Trailer, fine. Giant RAM with an eight litre V8? Unnecessary.

Certainly. Who understands why people feel the need to own cars superfluous to their requirements? I’m doing a lot of running today… :-p

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Date: 6/11/2026 20:26:49
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2446194
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Witty Rejoinder said:


Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Most tradies need to bring a wide assortment of tools with them on the off chance they’ll need it on any particular day. This generally means a ute with a tray and/or canopy so it’s basically the easiest option to own. Boris, PWM, Cap’n S OTOH…

runs away

Ute fine. Trailer, fine. Giant RAM with an eight litre V8? Unnecessary.

Certainly. Who understands why people feel the need to own cars superfluous to their requirements? I’m doing a lot of running today… :-p

With half a million k’s on the clock the Triton is still doing sterling work at the redoubt, from pulling lantana to pulling trees to running the families around the property, don’t have to use shiny new utes and 4wd spiffing electric off roaders.

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Date: 6/11/2026 20:28:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 2446195
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Ute fine. Trailer, fine. Giant RAM with an eight litre V8? Unnecessary.

Certainly. Who understands why people feel the need to own cars superfluous to their requirements? I’m doing a lot of running today… :-p

With half a million k’s on the clock the Triton is still doing sterling work at the redoubt, from pulling lantana to pulling trees to running the families around the property, don’t have to use shiny new utes and 4wd spiffing electric off roaders.

True that a Triton is also a tractor.

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Date: 6/11/2026 20:30:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2446197
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Ute fine. Trailer, fine. Giant RAM with an eight litre V8? Unnecessary.

Certainly. Who understands why people feel the need to own cars superfluous to their requirements? I’m doing a lot of running today… :-p

With half a million k’s on the clock the Triton is still doing sterling work at the redoubt, from pulling lantana to pulling trees to running the families around the property, don’t have to use shiny new utes and 4wd spiffing electric off roaders.

Just make sure you don’t park it so close to people’s wheelie bins that the rubbish truck can’t empty them.

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Date: 6/11/2026 21:05:37
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2446211
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Ute fine. Trailer, fine. Giant RAM with an eight litre V8? Unnecessary.

Certainly. Who understands why people feel the need to own cars superfluous to their requirements? I’m doing a lot of running today… :-p

With half a million k’s on the clock the Triton is still doing sterling work at the redoubt, from pulling lantana to pulling trees to running the families around the property, don’t have to use shiny new utes and 4wd spiffing electric off roaders.

Sounds exciting. I’ve seen a fair few vids on TikTok of people doing things with their cars they probably shouldn’t be doing with their cars…

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Date: 6/11/2026 21:14:11
From: buffy
ID: 2446212
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Or a clever accountant.

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

Not everybody is audited. I wasn’t.

Audits are relatively random. Although sometimes they pick a profession or trade. I recall one year it was butchers. Most people won’t have to do it. But the chance is always there.

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Date: 6/11/2026 21:19:06
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2446214
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Witty Rejoinder said:


Michael V said:

buffy said:

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

Why do city tradies need 4WD utes? So they can bring their families here on holidays, towing their boats so they can go fishing. They drive up and down the beach. Their contact details are on the side of them.

Most tradies need to bring a wide assortment of tools with them on the off chance they’ll need it on any particular day. This generally means a ute with a tray and/or canopy so it’s basically the easiest option to own. Boris, PWM, Cap’n S OTOH…

runs away

chases witty in my 4wd with bull bar.

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Date: 6/11/2026 21:27:58
From: buffy
ID: 2446216
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

ChrispenEvan said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Why do city tradies need 4WD utes? So they can bring their families here on holidays, towing their boats so they can go fishing. They drive up and down the beach. Their contact details are on the side of them.

Most tradies need to bring a wide assortment of tools with them on the off chance they’ll need it on any particular day. This generally means a ute with a tray and/or canopy so it’s basically the easiest option to own. Boris, PWM, Cap’n S OTOH…

runs away

chases witty in my 4wd with bull bar.

Have you got a big spotlight on the roof so you can continue the chase into the night?

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Date: 6/11/2026 21:40:38
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2446220
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

buffy said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Most tradies need to bring a wide assortment of tools with them on the off chance they’ll need it on any particular day. This generally means a ute with a tray and/or canopy so it’s basically the easiest option to own. Boris, PWM, Cap’n S OTOH…

runs away

chases witty in my 4wd with bull bar.

Have you got a big spotlight on the roof so you can continue the chase into the night?

No spotties. I try not to drive at night.

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Date: 6/11/2026 22:19:15
From: Kingy
ID: 2446239
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Ute fine. Trailer, fine. Giant RAM with an eight litre V8? Unnecessary.

Certainly. Who understands why people feel the need to own cars superfluous to their requirements? I’m doing a lot of running today… :-p

With half a million k’s on the clock the Triton is still doing sterling work at the redoubt, from pulling lantana to pulling trees to running the families around the property, don’t have to use shiny new utes and 4wd spiffing electric off roaders.

I had to have the vacuum control valve replaced last week at 300,000km. And a new set of tires.

And the front shockies(dampers) are rooted.

But other than that, my Triton is going like a champ.

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Date: 6/11/2026 22:41:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2446243
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Kingy said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Certainly. Who understands why people feel the need to own cars superfluous to their requirements? I’m doing a lot of running today… :-p

With half a million k’s on the clock the Triton is still doing sterling work at the redoubt, from pulling lantana to pulling trees to running the families around the property, don’t have to use shiny new utes and 4wd spiffing electric off roaders.

I had to have the vacuum control valve replaced last week at 300,000km. And a new set of tires.

And the front shockies(dampers) are rooted.

But other than that, my Triton is going like a champ.

People ask me, why does your Rodeo run so poorly?

I ask, why does my Rodeo run at all?

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Date: 6/11/2026 22:42:44
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2446244
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


Kingy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

With half a million k’s on the clock the Triton is still doing sterling work at the redoubt, from pulling lantana to pulling trees to running the families around the property, don’t have to use shiny new utes and 4wd spiffing electric off roaders.

I had to have the vacuum control valve replaced last week at 300,000km. And a new set of tires.

And the front shockies(dampers) are rooted.

But other than that, my Triton is going like a champ.

People ask me, why does your Rodeo run so poorly?

I ask, why does my Rodeo run at all?

is this your first rodeo?

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Date: 6/11/2026 22:45:47
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2446245
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

If you like cars that shouldn’t be running being made to run, you should have a look at the Australian Youtube channel ‘Garbage Time’.

The host has a ‘fleet’ of such vehicles, which he refers to as ‘nuggets’:

https://www.youtube.com/@GarbageTime420

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Date: 6/11/2026 22:46:13
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2446247
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

ChrispenEvan said:


captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

I had to have the vacuum control valve replaced last week at 300,000km. And a new set of tires.

And the front shockies(dampers) are rooted.

But other than that, my Triton is going like a champ.

People ask me, why does your Rodeo run so poorly?

I ask, why does my Rodeo run at all?

is this your first rodeo?

And probably my last.

The thing looks set to outlive me.

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Date: 6/11/2026 23:00:22
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2446250
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

captain_spalding said:


Kingy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

With half a million k’s on the clock the Triton is still doing sterling work at the redoubt, from pulling lantana to pulling trees to running the families around the property, don’t have to use shiny new utes and 4wd spiffing electric off roaders.

I had to have the vacuum control valve replaced last week at 300,000km. And a new set of tires.

And the front shockies(dampers) are rooted.

But other than that, my Triton is going like a champ.

People ask me, why does your Rodeo run so poorly?

I ask, why does my Rodeo run at all?

my comment was just parrotphrasing the old saying “not their first rodeo”.

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Date: 6/11/2026 23:07:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2446251
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

ChrispenEvan said:


captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

I had to have the vacuum control valve replaced last week at 300,000km. And a new set of tires.

And the front shockies(dampers) are rooted.

But other than that, my Triton is going like a champ.

People ask me, why does your Rodeo run so poorly?

I ask, why does my Rodeo run at all?

my comment was just parrotphrasing the old saying “not their first rodeo”.

Yes. i thought it most apposite.

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Date: 6/11/2026 23:24:06
From: Kingy
ID: 2446253
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

ChrispenEvan said:


captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

I had to have the vacuum control valve replaced last week at 300,000km. And a new set of tires.

And the front shockies(dampers) are rooted.

But other than that, my Triton is going like a champ.

People ask me, why does your Rodeo run so poorly?

I ask, why does my Rodeo run at all?

my comment was just parrotphrasing the old saying “not their first rodeo”.

Yeah, but it is my first Triton.

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Date: 7/11/2026 04:29:52
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2446272
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

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Date: 7/11/2026 07:12:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 2446280
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

And you have to keep a logbook. And the tax office does have auditors. I know. I was audited. They want a lot of detail.

Not everybody is audited. I wasn’t.

Audits are relatively random. Although sometimes they pick a profession or trade. I recall one year it was butchers. Most people won’t have to do it. But the chance is always there.

Yes. My work colleague was audited three times before they gave up.

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Date: 7/11/2026 13:06:08
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2446364
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

‘They don’t have a clue’: Covert tapes expose One Nation turmoil, Rinehart influence claims.

Link

I had to use a subscription bypass site to get this.

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Date: 7/11/2026 13:22:47
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2446371
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Why does the US military want to tear up this extraordinary, this gorgeous Tasmanian rainforest?

Takina is a rainforest in western part of Tasmania, which is home to Tasmanian devils, to wedge tailed eagles, to critically endangered ecosystems. And you can just feel the beauty of this place and and feel what a precious part of the planet it is. But Takina also under the ground has tungsten, a diamond hard metal that the US military wants for its weapons. Tungsten’s used in the F-35 fighter jet program, but it’s also used in missiles by both the US military and the Israeli military. And what it does is when the missile punches through the concrete or it punches through the defence, it gets into a space and they release this cloud of tungsten shrapnel which kills every living thing. Doctors in Gaza when they look at the X-rays, they’ll see a pinhole on one side of a bone and a pinhole on the other. And what drove through that body, what drove through that bone was tungsten shrapnel. And that’s why the US military is looking here in Tasmania.

Critica Limited is looking to mine this place on behalf of the US military. They’ve joined this thing called the Defence Industrial Base Consortium, not run by our defence department, but run by the US Department of War to extract the tungsten out of here and feed it into the US war machine.

And what’s doubly criminal about this is that our government wants this to happen. is promoting this kind of extraction. I don’t know about you, but when I look around here, I I see life. I see hope. I see this incredibly interconnected planet that we have. How is any government, how is any corporation coming here and extracting it for ways to kill? We need to end this project and we need to separate ourselves from the US military. I can’t imagine what is wrong with people who come to a beautiful place like this and want to rip it apart to feed these merchants of death and to feed the weapons that are going to tear apart life .

YT

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Date: 7/11/2026 17:35:27
From: Ian
ID: 2446465
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Ben Roberts-Smith Does Not Specifically Endorse War Crimes

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Date: 7/11/2026 20:44:50
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2446503
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Developer hands LNP $100k donation two months after prime land deal.

A family trust linked to developer Lancini Property Group has handed the LNP a six-figure donation, just two months after being awarded rights to prime state-owned waterfront land in Brisbane.

Electoral Commission of Queensland disclosure logs reveal the Lancini Family Discretionary Trust’s $100,000 donation, declared on Thursday, was the single biggest contribution to the party since the Crisafulli government scrapped the state’s developer donation ban.

In September, Deputy Premier Jarrod Bleijie announced 13 luxury towers, housing up to 5000 people, would be built on the site as part of a residential mixed-use precinct.

Economic Development Queensland selected five separate developers, including Lancini Property Group, to develop the six-hectare site, expected to include 2200 units, a shopping centre, hotel, childcare facility and medical services.

Under the previous Labor government, the Hamilton precinct was earmarked to be the Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games athletes’ village.

That vision was scrapped when the new LNP government accepted the Games Independent Infrastructure and Co-ordination Authority recommendation that “alternative site assessments” be explored.

Lancini Property Group chairman Laurence Lancini sits on the GIICA board and has previously told The Australian his Hamilton interests were on the authority’s conflict of interest register.

Link

Nothing suspicious there at all!!

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Date: 8/11/2026 12:27:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2446658
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

we love it when news media encourage politicians to prioritise politics over integrity

Victoria’s election will take an unprecedented turn when the royal commission into the state’s Big Build begins public hearings. Called by Premier Ben Carroll, the inquiry is likely to be very uncomfortable for the Labor government. Establishing the royal commission was Carroll’s first act as premier — a point he has proudly, and frequently, made in campaign material. It may be the noble thing to do, especially for a man who says “integrity is not negotiable”, but the political risk is sky high. The premier knows Labor is behind in the polls and kicking into the wind. So handing political opponents the ball for two whole weeks of a four-week campaign has been labelled madness by some Labor insiders.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/labor-royal-commission-ben-carroll-vic-election-campaign/107351126

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Date: 8/11/2026 17:02:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2446735
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

will the measures include cutting the rhetoric about immigrants

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/delivery-driver-death-jianming-feng/107360706

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Date: 8/11/2026 17:09:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2446739
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

will the measures include cutting the rhetoric about immigrants

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/delivery-driver-death-jianming-feng/107360706

“I feel so unsafe in this city and I am paying a very high rate of tax but I don’t get anything back from this city. I want to go back home.”

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Date: 8/11/2026 17:11:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2446741
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

will the measures include cutting the rhetoric about immigrants

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/delivery-driver-death-jianming-feng/107360706

“I feel so unsafe in this city and I am paying a very high rate of tax but I don’t get anything back from this city. I want to go back home.”

so we should stab more immigrants and the rental plus costofliving crisis will be solved

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Date: 8/11/2026 17:15:17
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2446743
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

will the measures include cutting the rhetoric about immigrants

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/delivery-driver-death-jianming-feng/107360706

“I feel so unsafe in this city and I am paying a very high rate of tax but I don’t get anything back from this city. I want to go back home.”

so we should stab more immigrants and the rental plus costofliving crisis will be solved

It’s the time-honoured solution.

Jews, immigrants, ‘unbelievers’ of a variety of kinds, people with different coloured skins, whatever scapegoat is handy.

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Date: 8/11/2026 17:28:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 2446747
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

will the measures include cutting the rhetoric about immigrants

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/delivery-driver-death-jianming-feng/107360706

“I feel so unsafe in this city and I am paying a very high rate of tax but I don’t get anything back from this city. I want to go back home.”

so we should stab more immigrants and the rental plus costofliving crisis will be solved

I didn’t say anything of the sort.

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Date: 8/11/2026 17:37:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2446751
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

But evidence obtained by 7.30 suggests the black market is flourishing in one state: Queensland.

of course, the police state of law and order, where else

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/inside-thriving-black-market-trading-demerit-points-for-cash/107320430

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Date: 8/11/2026 17:37:45
From: Michael V
ID: 2446752
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

will the measures include cutting the rhetoric about immigrants

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/delivery-driver-death-jianming-feng/107360706

Ask Pauline H.

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Date: 8/11/2026 19:46:22
From: ms spock
ID: 2446796
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Antisemitism envoy Jillian Segal has released a new report which received uniform, uncritical coverage from some of Australia’s biggest news outlets — despite some of its shocking statements.

Link

12 minutes

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Date: 9/11/2026 08:00:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2446861
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

LOL

what a nice lot of words to say that central planned economic communism is just better

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/are-there-alternatives-to-interest-rate-rises/107360716

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Date: 9/11/2026 08:37:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2446869
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/iran-conflict-strengthens-case-or-electrification/107351224

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/snow-falls-parts-of-nsw-after-strong-cold-front/107361014

fk, it’s beautiful and hilarious

though maybe not this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/global-emissions-footprint-overshadows-australias-image/107329288

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Date: 9/11/2026 10:50:14
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2446890
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/iran-conflict-strengthens-case-or-electrification/107351224

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/snow-falls-parts-of-nsw-after-strong-cold-front/107361014

fk, it’s beautiful and hilarious

though maybe not this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/global-emissions-footprint-overshadows-australias-image/107329288

A lot of the surge in EV sales in the recent months here is also driven by the impending changes to FBT rules around novated leases

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Date: 9/11/2026 10:56:06
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2446891
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

diddly-squat said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/iran-conflict-strengthens-case-or-electrification/107351224

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/snow-falls-parts-of-nsw-after-strong-cold-front/107361014

fk, it’s beautiful and hilarious

though maybe not this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/global-emissions-footprint-overshadows-australias-image/107329288

A lot of the surge in EV sales in the recent months here is also driven by the impending changes to FBT rules around novated leases

up until the end of March 27, all payments on novated leases for EVs under the luxury vehicle threshold of ~$92k are FBT exempt are are able to be made pre-tax, as of April 1 the threshold drops to $75k.

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Date: 9/11/2026 11:02:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2446892
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

diddly-squat said:

diddly-squat said:

SCIENCE said:

fk, it’s beautiful and hilarious

though maybe not this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/global-emissions-footprint-overshadows-australias-image/107329288

A lot of the surge in EV sales in the recent months here is also driven by the impending changes to FBT rules around novated leases

up until the end of March 27, all payments on novated leases for EVs under the luxury vehicle threshold of ~$92k are FBT exempt are are able to be made pre-tax, as of April 1 the threshold drops to $75k.

fair, we’re happy to also say that whoever thought up these tax changes are world saving geniuses too

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Date: 9/11/2026 11:24:57
From: Kingy
ID: 2446898
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

diddly-squat said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/iran-conflict-strengthens-case-or-electrification/107351224

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-08/snow-falls-parts-of-nsw-after-strong-cold-front/107361014

fk, it’s beautiful and hilarious

though maybe not this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/global-emissions-footprint-overshadows-australias-image/107329288

A lot of the surge in EV sales in the recent months here is also driven by the impending changes to FBT rules around novated leases

There’s also the fact that BYD are shipping a lot of cars now, and prices are falling.

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Date: 9/11/2026 11:51:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2446907
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Kingy said:

diddly-squat said:

SCIENCE said:

fk, it’s beautiful and hilarious

though maybe not this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/global-emissions-footprint-overshadows-australias-image/107329288

A lot of the surge in EV sales in the recent months here is also driven by the impending changes to FBT rules around novated leases

There’s also the fact that BYD are shipping a lot of cars now, and prices are falling.

so all this talk about inflation and costofliving is just lies

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Date: 10/11/2026 11:55:07
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2447097
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Like the prodigal son Victoria is coming home.
We’ll kill the fatted calf.

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Date: 10/11/2026 12:01:17
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2447102
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Peak Warming Man said:


Like the prodigal son Victoria is coming home.
We’ll kill the fatted calf.

But a female Premier? It won’t do.

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Date: 10/11/2026 12:02:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2447103
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Like the prodigal son Victoria is coming home.
We’ll kill the fatted calf.

But a female Premier? It won’t do.

Well you can’t have everything.

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Date: 10/11/2026 12:10:12
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2447109
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Like the prodigal son Victoria is coming home.
We’ll kill the fatted calf.

But a female Premier? It won’t do.

what about Joan (Jet) Kirner?

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Date: 10/11/2026 12:13:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2447110
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

ChrispenEvan said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Like the prodigal son Victoria is coming home.
We’ll kill the fatted calf.

But a female Premier? It won’t do.

what about Joan (Jet) Kirner?

Closet communist.

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Date: 10/11/2026 12:15:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2447111
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

how good are nsw police hey

Two police officers have been charged over an alleged hit and run of an e-bike rider in Sydney’s inner west. A 25-year-old woman was struck by a fully marked police vehicle while riding an e-bike near Glebe Point Road, about 5am on Tuesday, May 12. According to a statement from NSW Police, the officers who were on duty allegedly failed to stop to render assistance and drove from the scene.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-09/cross-examination-of-beau-lamarre-condon-continues/107362762

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-29/kristian-white-sentencing-clare-nowland-legal-experts-surprised/105104826

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Date: 10/11/2026 12:16:19
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2447112
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

But a female Premier? It won’t do.

what about Joan (Jet) Kirner?

Closet communist.

After dark she’s commute all over the place, that’s why they are so fond of public transport.

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Date: 10/11/2026 12:18:02
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2447113
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

ChrispenEvan said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Like the prodigal son Victoria is coming home.
We’ll kill the fatted calf.

But a female Premier? It won’t do.

what about Joan (Jet) Kirner?

Victoria has never elected a female Premier from opposition.

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Date: 10/11/2026 12:18:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2447114
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

But a female Premier? It won’t do.

what about Joan (Jet) Kirner?

Closet communist.

Maintained that the workers should control the means of keeping the clothes off the floor.

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Date: 10/11/2026 13:00:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2447161
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

this is good news

all those resources they promised to pour into preventing these tragedies

we would love to see them keep their promise and pour resources into preventing these tragedies

we love it when politicians set their hearts on doing the right things for their communities

Well…my sister was failed by a lack of resources in the Northern Rivers area in 2006. She had schizophrenia and was paranoid etc. So much of that assessment echoes what she went through. That’s what is heartbreaking, nothing changes.

fair, and hence we agree this is a great opportunity for those in power to make some changes

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-05/brendan-nugent-linked-dog-incident-victoria-police-helen-haines/107349240

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-06/nurse-allegedly-sexually-assaulted-thomas-embling-staff-concerns/107351782

let’s prevent more of these tragedies

well

¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-10/sydney-westmead-hospital-mental-health-emergency-wait-times/107365646

anything

¿

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Date: 10/11/2026 14:54:53
From: Ian
ID: 2447223
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/nov/10/one-nation-dumps-franco-guardiani-praised-hitler-victoria-elections-ntwnfb

One Nation Victoria has disendorsed a candidate whose private social media account described Adolf Hitler as the “GOAT” and claimed that “importing Islam is making pedophilia legal”.

In a now deleted social media post, the party’s candidate for Preston, Franco Guardiani, commented on a social media post on X asking people to: “Describe Hitler in one word? Be brutally honest”.

—

Gonna need more brutal dishonest nazis.

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Date: 10/11/2026 15:04:39
From: Woodie
ID: 2447229
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Ian said:


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/nov/10/one-nation-dumps-franco-guardiani-praised-hitler-victoria-elections-ntwnfb

One Nation Victoria has disendorsed a candidate whose private social media account described Adolf Hitler as the “GOAT” and claimed that “importing Islam is making pedophilia legal”.

In a now deleted social media post, the party’s candidate for Preston, Franco Guardiani, commented on a social media post on X asking people to: “Describe Hitler in one word? Be brutally honest”.

Gonna need more brutal dishonest nazis.

This is the second One Nation candidate to be dis endorsed for the Victorian election.

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Date: 11/11/2026 08:33:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2447487
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

anyway

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-11/afp-warns-of-sharp-spike-in-minor-counter-terrorism-case/107369962

clearly banning social media is useless just like banning guns

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Date: 13/11/2026 17:26:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2448265
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

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Date: 13/11/2026 17:30:47
From: Cymek
ID: 2448266
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

roughbarked said:



One can imagine the terror these “men” would have going to prison
They’d be totally fucked and going from someone powerful to absolutely helpless

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Date: 13/11/2026 17:32:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 2448267
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:


One can imagine the terror these “men” would have going to prison
They’d be totally fucked and going from someone powerful to absolutely helpless

They will find it hard to make friends.

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Date: 13/11/2026 19:28:22
From: ms spock
ID: 2448291
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:


One can imagine the terror these “men” would have going to prison
They’d be totally fucked and going from someone powerful to absolutely helpless

They all lie and say that they did another crime.

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Date: 13/11/2026 21:06:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2448319
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

are we ready …

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-13/un-special-rapporteur-on-indigenous-rights-report-findings/107372310

… GO¡ …

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-13/arrernte-elder-asks-wheres-respect-anzac-hill-bulldozers/107379928

… fk

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Date: 14/11/2026 18:04:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2448563
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

totally not intentional to make them look like average australian blokes yous should vote for

Cameras were rolling ahead of the event during which time Mr Albanese and Mr Bowen were privately chatting to each other.

Mr Albanese put his phone in his jacket pocket and — as he did so — told Mr Bowen he had heard it was better to store the device away from the heart because “it can interfere with your rhythm”.

Mr Bowen responded in a joking tone if it was because the phone was “a little bit radioactive”.

The prime minister laughed, saying the idea “makes absolute sense”.

Mr Bowen then responded he was more conscious about putting his phone in his pants pocket.

Mr Albanese asked, “Because of your dick?”

The pair laughed and Mr Bowen agreed, adding it was “arguably more important than the heart”.

oh all right this is misogynistic faux passing and they should be keelhauled for it

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-14/anthony-albanese-chris-bowen-hot-mic-gaffe-cop-31-climate-summit/107385964

we mean if this is the big national news of the day then we guess we’re doing all right

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Date: 14/11/2026 18:10:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 2448566
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

SCIENCE said:

totally not intentional to make them look like average australian blokes yous should vote for

Cameras were rolling ahead of the event during which time Mr Albanese and Mr Bowen were privately chatting to each other.

Mr Albanese put his phone in his jacket pocket and — as he did so — told Mr Bowen he had heard it was better to store the device away from the heart because “it can interfere with your rhythm”.

Mr Bowen responded in a joking tone if it was because the phone was “a little bit radioactive”.

The prime minister laughed, saying the idea “makes absolute sense”.

Mr Bowen then responded he was more conscious about putting his phone in his pants pocket.

Mr Albanese asked, “Because of your dick?”

The pair laughed and Mr Bowen agreed, adding it was “arguably more important than the heart”.

oh all right this is misogynistic faux passing and they should be keelhauled for it

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-14/anthony-albanese-chris-bowen-hot-mic-gaffe-cop-31-climate-summit/107385964

we mean if this is the big national news of the day then we guess we’re doing all right

Nods.

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Date: 14/11/2026 18:28:42
From: Ian
ID: 2448574
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2026/nov/04/what-are-the-aukus-submarines-actually-for-public-inquiry

In 1998 I was appointed chief of the Australian defence force. I spent much of my career handling classified information and I understand why some things must stay secret: operational plans, intelligence sources, the capabilities on which lives depend.

But there is a difference between protecting secrets and withholding reasons. On Aukus, Australians have been denied the reasons.

That is the significant lesson I take from serving as a commissioner on the Aukus public inquiry. The government and the opposition declined written invitations to give evidence. No one serving in the Australian Defence Organisation appeared. This means the case for the most expensive defence project in our history – likely to be more than $368bn by the mid-2050s – was never put to us.

Instead, we heard from other Australians – young people, their mums and dads, and First Nations Australians – who cannot get straight answers about Aukus and its implications for them. They want to know about the nuclear issues – the waste from the submarine program and the rotation of American and British nuclear-powered submarines through Western Australia, and they want to know about the costs and why Australia is actively supporting submarine building in the US and UK through unconditional financial support.

The government may say it has not been silent. The Australian Submarine Agency has produced fact sheets, a public report and corporate plans. They assert that “only nuclear-powered submarines, acquired through the Aukus partnership, will meet Australia’s defence requirements in the decades ahead”, and that conventional submarines will be “increasingly less able to meet Australia’s needs”. They promise a “strategy of denial” and “impactful projection”. But they do not show the working: which missions, compared with what alternatives, at what cost and with what risk. An assertion is not an explanation.

Let’s start with the simplest question: what are these submarines for?

Nuclear-powered submarines are formidable machines. Their distinctive advantage is speed and endurance underwater, sustainable over long distances, but they are not much good in shallow water. Their characteristics matter most for two missions: hunting other nuclear-powered submarines, including those capable of launching nuclear weapons, and keeping pace underwater with American aircraft carrier battle groups. Conventional submarines can perform most of the other tasks Australia needs.

Impactful projection where, and against whom? If the real purpose is to hunt Chinese submarines near China’s home ports, or to escort American carriers, the government should say so – and explain why these missions serve Australia.

Alone it would be madness for us to take on China. The only plausible way we would be fighting near China’s coast is in a war begun by the United States. Building our future defence force around that possibility is a profound choice, and Australians deserve to have it put to them honestly.

Instead, it looks like this acquisition has become the strategy. We have a recent national defence strategy but there is no national security strategy to show what we are protecting, from what, and how diplomacy, the economy, climate resilience and defence fit together. The United States and the United Kingdom, our partners in Aukus, have published theirs. We should publish ours.

Meanwhile, commitments are being locked in.

From 2027, HMAS Stirling, the navy base near Perth, will host a rotating force of up to four American nuclear-powered submarines and one British. These will not be occasional visits as has been the practice till now. The government has committed up to $8bn to expand the base. Housing is being arranged for American personnel and their families – in a region where people told our inquiry about homelessness on their own doorstep.

Australia has agreed by treaty to take responsibility for disposing of the spent fuel – highly enriched uranium – from its own submarines. The submarine agency’s own corporate plan names its failure to build disposal capability as a key risk, yet it sets no target, timeline or measure for dealing with the waste. Nuclear waste disposal will not be a new conversation for our community but it will be weapons-grade waste – and that is new!

The government says the foreign submarines will be conventionally armed for now – but what about into the future? The US is developing a nuclear-armed cruise missile for its Virginia-class boats. In supporting the Treaty of Rarotonga what conditions will Australia set, and how will they be verified? Could Stirling support nuclear strike operations even if no weapon is stored ashore? Will Stirling become a target for nuclear strike? If so, how will it be protected?

Money already committed is not a reason to commit more. Nor is urgency an excuse to skip strategy.

We have been here before. As a young naval officer, I worked with my bosses on the program to replace the aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne. The program had been keenly debated for years under the Fraser governments before the Hawke government was elected in 1983. Within two weeks of taking office, it scrapped the carrier program. It then reviewed Australia’s strategic position through a new lens and built a new defence force around contemporary and prospective strategic needs. The Dibb review of 1986 and the 1987 defence white paper are examples of the kind of work we need to do now. It is urgent.

Our report recommends ending the Aukus submarine plan. That is not an argument against submarines. Australia needs a credible submarine capability under full Australian command and control, and a properly tested plan to replace the Collins class – a submarine chosen to suit our missions, not missions chosen to suit the submarine.

Above all, we must safeguard our capacity to decide for ourselves. Sovereignty is not ownership of a submarine or flying a flag over a base. It is the ability of an Australian government to decide what to do in Australia’s interests, including when our allies would prefer otherwise. The test is not whether we can say yes – that may look easy, but it will be hard. It is whether we can say no – and that is likely to be the toughest decision an Australia government has to make.

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Date: 14/11/2026 18:39:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2448576
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Haven’t read it in detail yet, but one thing caught my eye:

Adm. Barrie blames the Hawke govt for scrapping the idea of replacing HMAS Melbourne.

Long before the 1983 election, the deal to buy HMS Invincible from the UK had been done, signed, sealed, by the Fraser govt.

When the Falklands war popped up, the Fraser govt, clearly having second thoughts (partly due to white-anting by the RAAF), almost tripped over their own dicks in their haste to offer to the UK a chance to rescind the deal, Of course, the UK needed the ship, so they said ‘thanks, yes’.

The Hawke govt may not have pursued the replacement of HMAS Melbourne, but it was the Fraser govt which actually terminated the best option at the time.

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Date: 14/11/2026 18:58:03
From: Ian
ID: 2448578
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

We haven’t seen any sort of rationale for the subs from the government or opposition… or the Morrison govt for that matter.

I got the impression that Aukus was virtually forced on the incoming Albanese government as a stinking time bomb of a policy… a stunt by a retreating Morrison.

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Date: 14/11/2026 19:04:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2448580
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Ian said:


We haven’t seen any sort of rationale for the subs from the government or opposition… or the Morrison govt for that matter.

I got the impression that Aukus was virtually forced on the incoming Albanese government as a stinking time bomb of a policy… a stunt by a retreating Morrison.

You could be on the money.

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Date: 14/11/2026 19:09:33
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2448583
Subject: re: Australian politics - November 2026

Ian said:


We haven’t seen any sort of rationale for the subs from the government or opposition… or the Morrison govt for that matter.

I got the impression that Aukus was virtually forced on the incoming Albanese government as a stinking time bomb of a policy… a stunt by a retreating Morrison.

It was Biden’s fault.

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