http://www.pm.gov.au/contact-your-pm

or if you are on facebook sign the petition.

http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/live-export/ban-live-export?referring_service=facebook&sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4de39ce5c42d6f94,0

bubba louie said:

http://www.pm.gov.au/contact-your-pm

or if you are on facebook sign the petition.

http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/live-export/ban-live-export?referring_service=facebook&sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4de39ce5c42d6f94,0

The petition for non facebookers.

http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/live-export/ban-live-export

I signed it four decades ago.. it is your job now.

For a smart race… we’re pretty darn dumb at times.
Thanks for the heads up.

For a smart race… we’re pretty darn dumb at times.
Thanks for the heads up.

Sent off an email to Joolia and the Ludwig chap, thanks for the links, Bubba…

Signed, and re-signed everytime this has raised it’s ugly head. I doubt it will stop because there’s too much money in it.

Happy Potter said:

Signed, and re-signed everytime this has raised it’s ugly head. I doubt it will stop because there’s too much money in it.

…for the corrupt Indonesian officials/business people…

Dinetta said:

Happy Potter said:

Signed, and re-signed everytime this has raised it’s ugly head. I doubt it will stop because there’s too much money in it.

…for the corrupt Indonesian officials/business people…

No, for the Aussie ones and the ones that knew and didn’t do anything and still won’t. Not enough people who can stop it, care.
I asked joolia for the dough to get the right equipment for the instant kill, and I’d take it there myself.

Happy Potter said:

I asked joolia for the dough to get the right equipment for the instant kill, and I’d take it there myself.

:)

Need a thumbs-up here…
0oooo

Will that do?

I hope I’m helping to keep this on the front page of the ABC Online by clicking on the news item in case of an update…

Go here

Dinetta said:

Happy Potter said:

I asked joolia for the dough to get the right equipment for the instant kill, and I’d take it there myself.

:)

Need a thumbs-up here…
0oooo

Will that do?

So How would we Move stock from one end of the Country to another Export Invloves Moving Stock from around australia and Overseas.

How about how they treat the Stock over in china as well ( which has Just keeps being swepted under the door).

Cattle exports of 954,661 worth $698 million were achieved – a substantial increase on 2008-09. Sheep exports of 3.06 million worth $298 million and goat exports of 83,448 head worth $10.7 million were both less than the previous year. These livestock were exported through the 472 sea and 172 air freight consignments that departed Australia.
Quoted from Livecorp 2010 Report
I know that I wouldn’t Like to see the way my income comes in to feed my family got banned, I Reckon you wouldnt as well, its the same as Mining, Everyone gets up and complains about it, at the end of the day it’s what people do for a living.
It’s Not the LIVE EXPORT that needs to be Banned its the PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS TO THE ANIMALS.

Veg gardener said:

Dinetta said:

Happy Potter said:

I asked joolia for the dough to get the right equipment for the instant kill, and I’d take it there myself.

:)

Need a thumbs-up here…
0oooo

Will that do?

So How would we Move stock from one end of the Country to another Export Invloves Moving Stock from around australia and Overseas.

How about how they treat the Stock over in china as well ( which has Just keeps being swepted under the door).

Export only referrs to the overseas market veg.

Veg gardener said:

Cattle exports of 954,661 worth $698 million were achieved – a substantial increase on 2008-09. Sheep exports of 3.06 million worth $298 million and goat exports of 83,448 head worth $10.7 million were both less than the previous year. These livestock were exported through the 472 sea and 172 air freight consignments that departed Australia.
Quoted from Livecorp 2010 Report
I know that I wouldn’t Like to see the way my income comes in to feed my family got banned, I Reckon you wouldnt as well, its the same as Mining, Everyone gets up and complains about it, at the end of the day it’s what people do for a living.
It’s Not the LIVE EXPORT that needs to be Banned its the PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS TO THE ANIMALS.

Unfortunately we don’t have a lot of control over what happens in other countries but we can refuse to be a part of it. If i was a beef farmer there’s no way in the world I’d be selling for live export.
It’s time to take a stand.

44,239 SIGNED

Veg gardener said:

Cattle exports of 954,661 worth $698 million were achieved – a substantial increase on 2008-09. Sheep exports of 3.06 million worth $298 million and goat exports of 83,448 head worth $10.7 million were both less than the previous year. These livestock were exported through the 472 sea and 172 air freight consignments that departed Australia.
Quoted from Livecorp 2010 Report
I know that I wouldn’t Like to see the way my income comes in to feed my family got banned, I Reckon you wouldnt as well, its the same as Mining, Everyone gets up and complains about it, at the end of the day it’s what people do for a living.
It’s Not the LIVE EXPORT that needs to be Banned its the PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS TO THE ANIMALS.

If we can get enough abattoirs certified halal over here, then we could send the meat over chilled or frozen, couldn’t we? (I didn’t watch the show, too gory for me – is halal certification the only reason Indonesia wants live exports?). Maybe less jobs in handling but more jobs in abattoirs.

As far as I know most of the beef in my local supermarket is certified halal in any case (have to check when we bring food in to work for a potluck lunch).

Anyway, I refuse to agree with any argument that puts the economy first. If that was how we wanted the world to work, slavery wouldn’t have been banned. Some things are more important than money.

bon008 said:

Veg gardener said:

Cattle exports of 954,661 worth $698 million were achieved – a substantial increase on 2008-09. Sheep exports of 3.06 million worth $298 million and goat exports of 83,448 head worth $10.7 million were both less than the previous year. These livestock were exported through the 472 sea and 172 air freight consignments that departed Australia.
Quoted from Livecorp 2010 Report
I know that I wouldn’t Like to see the way my income comes in to feed my family got banned, I Reckon you wouldnt as well, its the same as Mining, Everyone gets up and complains about it, at the end of the day it’s what people do for a living.
It’s Not the LIVE EXPORT that needs to be Banned its the PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS TO THE ANIMALS.

If we can get enough abattoirs certified halal over here, then we could send the meat over chilled or frozen, couldn’t we? (I didn’t watch the show, too gory for me – is halal certification the only reason Indonesia wants live exports?). Maybe less jobs in handling but more jobs in abattoirs.

As far as I know most of the beef in my local supermarket is certified halal in any case (have to check when we bring food in to work for a potluck lunch).

Anyway, I refuse to agree with any argument that puts the economy first. If that was how we wanted the world to work, slavery wouldn’t have been banned. Some things are more important than money.

They don’t have the refrigeration to handle frozen meat Bon. They want it fresh from the butcher.

It’s a start but not enough.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/live-cattle-exports-to-some-abattoirs-suspended-20110531-1fdsn.html

bubba louie said:

bon008 said:

Veg gardener said:

Cattle exports of 954,661 worth $698 million were achieved – a substantial increase on 2008-09. Sheep exports of 3.06 million worth $298 million and goat exports of 83,448 head worth $10.7 million were both less than the previous year. These livestock were exported through the 472 sea and 172 air freight consignments that departed Australia.
Quoted from Livecorp 2010 Report
I know that I wouldn’t Like to see the way my income comes in to feed my family got banned, I Reckon you wouldnt as well, its the same as Mining, Everyone gets up and complains about it, at the end of the day it’s what people do for a living.
It’s Not the LIVE EXPORT that needs to be Banned its the PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS TO THE ANIMALS.

If we can get enough abattoirs certified halal over here, then we could send the meat over chilled or frozen, couldn’t we? (I didn’t watch the show, too gory for me – is halal certification the only reason Indonesia wants live exports?). Maybe less jobs in handling but more jobs in abattoirs.

As far as I know most of the beef in my local supermarket is certified halal in any case (have to check when we bring food in to work for a potluck lunch).

Anyway, I refuse to agree with any argument that puts the economy first. If that was how we wanted the world to work, slavery wouldn’t have been banned. Some things are more important than money.

They don’t have the refrigeration to handle frozen meat Bon. They want it fresh from the butcher.

Ahh, bugger.

Veg gardener said:

It’s Not the LIVE EXPORT that needs to be Banned its the PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS TO THE ANIMALS.

that’s right Veg. But one way to make sure they change their practices is to stop supplying them with the animals until they improve their conditions. But I agree, it makes it hard for the farmers who are just trying to make a living.

56,222 SIGNED

bon008 said:

Veg gardener said:

Cattle exports of 954,661 worth $698 million were achieved – a substantial increase on 2008-09. Sheep exports of 3.06 million worth $298 million and goat exports of 83,448 head worth $10.7 million were both less than the previous year. These livestock were exported through the 472 sea and 172 air freight consignments that departed Australia.
Quoted from Livecorp 2010 Report
I know that I wouldn’t Like to see the way my income comes in to feed my family got banned, I Reckon you wouldnt as well, its the same as Mining, Everyone gets up and complains about it, at the end of the day it’s what people do for a living.
It’s Not the LIVE EXPORT that needs to be Banned its the PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS TO THE ANIMALS.

If we can get enough abattoirs certified halal over here, then we could send the meat over chilled or frozen, couldn’t we? (I didn’t watch the show, too gory for me – is halal certification the only reason Indonesia wants live exports?). Maybe less jobs in handling but more jobs in abattoirs.

As far as I know most of the beef in my local supermarket is certified halal in any case (have to check when we bring food in to work for a potluck lunch).

Anyway, I refuse to agree with any argument that puts the economy first. If that was how we wanted the world to work, slavery wouldn’t have been banned. Some things are more important than money.

need Coolroom Contaier ships.

bluegreen said:

Veg gardener said:

It’s Not the LIVE EXPORT that needs to be Banned its the PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS TO THE ANIMALS.

that’s right Veg. But one way to make sure they change their practices is to stop supplying them with the animals until they improve their conditions. But I agree, it makes it hard for the farmers who are just trying to make a living.

I Just disagree with Baning Export. They will just send it to a different Port and transport it to there.

Whats going to Be next are we going to Ban Trucks on the Highways?

Veg gardener said:

Whats going to Be next are we going to Ban Trucks on the Highways?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

:)

Also if you Watched Landline say 5-6years Ago and earlier you would have seen it back then.
Already Watching the Dairy Industry slowly close down
They Tried doing it to the Mining Industy.

Time to start and Live in a Prefect World.
BL So what are all these Blokes going to do If theres no Livestock Export happening, Market in Australia Isn’t Big engouh to take it all. Half of them would already be Struggling to Keep the farmers going which has been passed down from Generation to generation. If it goes Its going to be a Bad Mistake and a Very sad one.

Here are a few Quotes:

The Indonesian people are going to buy cattle no matter what,” Normanton cattle producer Calvin Gallagher said.

He said Indonesian importers would instead buy South American beasts, all but eliminating the safe guards Australia has been working to implement.
He said a ban on live exports would result in a flooding of the domestic market which would drive down beef prices dramatically in the long term.

“If you put another 650,000 cattle into the domestic market it’s going to be devastating for producers,” he said.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/animals/graziers-dispute-call-for-live-export-ban-20110601-1ffad.html#ixzz1NzpwWlLM

I think there might be an argument for Australia continuing to do live exports to abattoirs which have been checked and found to be humane, while excluding those that have been found to be inhumane. Presumably that would provide incentive for improvements.

Veg gardener said:

Whats going to Be next are we going to Ban Trucks on the Highways?

They don’t have to torture the animals.

Happy Potter said:

Veg gardener said:

Whats going to Be next are we going to Ban Trucks on the Highways?

They don’t have to torture the animals.

While I think that the treatment of the animals can be done much more humanely, I wonder what world people live in that they are surprised by this. I find it horrific, but I am not surprised, given some of the atrocities done to fellow human beings still, that this sort of thing is done to animals. The thing is once the animals are sold and exported, then there is little we can do. Perhaps the solution would be for Australian owned and controlled abattoirs to be set up in Indonesia with local employees. Then there would be more control over the way the animals are treated.

Veg gardener said:

“If you put another 650,000 cattle into the domestic market it’s going to be devastating for producers,” he said.

That’s because they’ve been growing their stock numbers, and feedlotting like mad, to make these numbers for export…

Just saying…but I do read your input with interest, Veg … keep it up…

Dinetta said:

Veg gardener said:

“If you put another 650,000 cattle into the domestic market it’s going to be devastating for producers,” he said.

That’s because they’ve been growing their stock numbers, and feedlotting like mad, to make these numbers for export…

Just saying…but I do read your input with interest, Veg … keep it up…

export is a big thing for Australia and a lot of farmers would be out of a job if that market was lost. but pressure can be put on the buyers to lift their game.

Dinetta said:

Veg gardener said:

“If you put another 650,000 cattle into the domestic market it’s going to be devastating for producers,” he said.

That’s because they’ve been growing their stock numbers, and feedlotting like mad, to make these numbers for export…

Just saying…but I do read your input with interest, Veg … keep it up…

Dinetta If i was one of them Blokes, I’d be doing it as well, Money on the pay Cheque to Keep the farming Equipment going. Theres Agruments for Both Sides, I 100% dont agree with how they get treated and something should be done, But Making it all this Public has gone to far. I’d Like to See Half of these People who Complain About it out on a Farm trying to make a Living, and see How Much Trouble it is.
Give The Goverment a Couple more Years and Australia going to not be worth worrying about at all No Industries Left.
Time Australia wakes ups to it self and has a Look at the Future and Worry about what WE CAN CONTROL OURSELFS.

bluegreen said:

Happy Potter said:

Veg gardener said:

Whats going to Be next are we going to Ban Trucks on the Highways?

They don’t have to torture the animals.

While I think that the treatment of the animals can be done much more humanely, I wonder what world people live in that they are surprised by this. I find it horrific, but I am not surprised, given some of the atrocities done to fellow human beings still, that this sort of thing is done to animals. The thing is once the animals are sold and exported, then there is little we can do. Perhaps the solution would be for Australian owned and controlled abattoirs to be set up in Indonesia with local employees. Then there would be more control over the way the animals are treated.

I thought I read somewhere that a levy was collected (not sure from who – the people selling the cows maybe?) which was supposed to be going to training the Indonesians and providing equipment etc. I’d rather see Australia helping the Indonesians than taking over.

bon008 said:

I thought I read somewhere that a levy was collected (not sure from who – the people selling the cows maybe?) which was supposed to be going to training the Indonesians and providing equipment etc. I’d rather see Australia helping the Indonesians than taking over.

Yes, and they are upset about how the cattle are treated…it’s $5 per head levy, which adds up to about $3 million across the industry…

Might Just add Another Point here, So we should Also Ban Animals Sports which Harm the aniamals, horse dont always Like to be ridden as well.

I’m not sure if my point was picked up, that many of these graziers have deliberately set themselves up with feedlotting and other measures to pander to the export market demand…they have accordingly pushed up the prices of the properties that they are on and the circle of economics demands that they keep producing these cattle numbers/income in order to justify the capitalisation ratio on their investment in the real property.

It’s like we set ourselves up, in our business, to handle a huge volume of demand, and then when the GFC hit, we hit a wall…that’s business…farming and grazing is a business…you’re either in it for the lifestyle or to make money…nobody gave people in our line of business any handouts, we just toughed it out…

Veg gardener said:

Might Just add Another Point here, So we should Also Ban Animals Sports which Harm the aniamals, horse dont always Like to be ridden as well.

Those abbatoirs are extreme, I think that’s what is upsetting everybody…

Veg gardener said:

Might Just add Another Point here, So we should Also Ban Animals Sports which Harm the aniamals, horse dont always Like to be ridden as well.

Plenty have been, VG. Dog fighting, cock fighting.

This is NOT an all or nothing situation. Lines can be drawn anywhere. Society’s standards are allowed to change.

Dinetta said:

I’m not sure if my point was picked up, that many of these graziers have deliberately set themselves up with feedlotting and other measures to pander to the export market demand…they have accordingly pushed up the prices of the properties that they are on and the circle of economics demands that they keep producing these cattle numbers/income in order to justify the capitalisation ratio on their investment in the real property.

It’s like we set ourselves up, in our business, to handle a huge volume of demand, and then when the GFC hit, we hit a wall…that’s business…farming and grazing is a business…you’re either in it for the lifestyle or to make money…nobody gave people in our line of business any handouts, we just toughed it out…

Picked it up Dinetta. Also what I have been trying to state/say in some of my post as well that this is there Live and Income for the families, I know you wouldnt be happy if your Office got closed down after its been Passed down from generation to generation, and its what you have been doing since you where little.

bon008 said:

Veg gardener said:

Might Just add Another Point here, So we should Also Ban Animals Sports which Harm the aniamals, horse dont always Like to be ridden as well.

Plenty have been, VG. Dog fighting, cock fighting.

This is NOT an all or nothing situation. Lines can be drawn anywhere. Society’s standards are allowed to change.

Cock fighting Still Happens around, What happens when you Put two Cock birds in the same Pen? We still have PBR, Rodeo’s.

If animals are going to be treated, as these cattle are, to make a living then they can all go broke, IMO.

Veg gardener said:

Picked it up Dinetta. Also what I have been trying to state/say in some of my post as well that this is there Live and Income for the families, I know you wouldn’t be happy if your Office got closed down after its been Passed down from generation to generation, and it’s what you have been doing since you where little.

No, but it happens when circumstances intervene. Not a whole lot you can do about circumstances beyond your control. I remember the drought of ’69 drove a lot of people off their properties. They weren’t happy but there was nothing anybody could do about it.

I don’t have a problem with rodeos, some of those bulls enjoy them more than their riders LOL!

105,608 SIGNED!
we need 14,392 more

Have YOU signed yet????????????

Veg gardener said:

Whats going to Be next are we going to Ban Trucks on the Highways?

Vege you are being ridiculous. Did you even see the videos. Nobody is banning anything in Aus.

Veg gardener said:

Also if you Watched Landline say 5-6years Ago and earlier you would have seen it back then.
Already Watching the Dairy Industry slowly close down
They Tried doing it to the Mining Industy.

Time to start and Live in a Prefect World.
BL So what are all these Blokes going to do If theres no Livestock Export happening, Market in Australia Isn’t Big engouh to take it all. Half of them would already be Struggling to Keep the farmers going which has been passed down from Generation to generation. If it goes Its going to be a Bad Mistake and a Very sad one.

Here are a few Quotes:

The Indonesian people are going to buy cattle no matter what,” Normanton cattle producer Calvin Gallagher said.

He said Indonesian importers would instead buy South American beasts, all but eliminating the safe guards Australia has been working to implement.
He said a ban on live exports would result in a flooding of the domestic market which would drive down beef prices dramatically in the long term.

“If you put another 650,000 cattle into the domestic market it’s going to be devastating for producers,” he said.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/animals/graziers-dispute-call-for-live-export-ban-20110601-1ffad.html#ixzz1NzpwWlLM

That WAS Egypt veg and since then they have really improved their facilities. all it took was pressure from AUs. If Egypt and Saudi can clean up their act so can Indonesia.
The first step is to remove our animals from this hell and than work with them to improve. Nobody with an ounce of feeling could possibly want to keep sending animals to this fate.
There ARE answers.

bluegreen said:

Dinetta said:

Veg gardener said:

“If you put another 650,000 cattle into the domestic market it’s going to be devastating for producers,” he said.

That’s because they’ve been growing their stock numbers, and feedlotting like mad, to make these numbers for export…

Just saying…but I do read your input with interest, Veg … keep it up…

export is a big thing for Australia and a lot of farmers would be out of a job if that market was lost. but pressure can be put on the buyers to lift their game.

The RSPCA wants to work on the refrigeration problem and then set up more Halal facilities here, which would creat jobs here.

Veg gardener said:

Dinetta said:

Veg gardener said:

“If you put another 650,000 cattle into the domestic market it’s going to be devastating for producers,” he said.

That’s because they’ve been growing their stock numbers, and feedlotting like mad, to make these numbers for export…

Just saying…but I do read your input with interest, Veg … keep it up…

Dinetta If i was one of them Blokes, I’d be doing it as well, Money on the pay Cheque to Keep the farming Equipment going. Theres Agruments for Both Sides, I 100% dont agree with how they get treated and something should be done, But Making it all this Public has gone to far. I’d Like to See Half of these People who Complain About it out on a Farm trying to make a Living, and see How Much Trouble it is.
Give The Goverment a Couple more Years and Australia going to not be worth worrying about at all No Industries Left.
Time Australia wakes ups to it self and has a Look at the Future and Worry about what WE CAN CONTROL OURSELFS.

I come from a farming background and have lots of family in the beef industry.

Veg gardener said:

Might Just add Another Point here, So we should Also Ban Animals Sports which Harm the aniamals, horse dont always Like to be ridden as well.

It’s hardly torture Veg.

bubba louie said:

105,608 SIGNED!
we need 14,392 more

Have YOU signed yet????????????

I sure have and got the rest of the family as well. Plus any visitors.

Veg gardener said:

Dinetta said:

I’m not sure if my point was picked up, that many of these graziers have deliberately set themselves up with feedlotting and other measures to pander to the export market demand…they have accordingly pushed up the prices of the properties that they are on and the circle of economics demands that they keep producing these cattle numbers/income in order to justify the capitalisation ratio on their investment in the real property.

It’s like we set ourselves up, in our business, to handle a huge volume of demand, and then when the GFC hit, we hit a wall…that’s business…farming and grazing is a business…you’re either in it for the lifestyle or to make money…nobody gave people in our line of business any handouts, we just toughed it out…

Picked it up Dinetta. Also what I have been trying to state/say in some of my post as well that this is there Live and Income for the families, I know you wouldnt be happy if your Office got closed down after its been Passed down from generation to generation, and its what you have been doing since you where little.

What if that same farm was taken over for mining? You’re all for that.
times change people change with them. Maybe you’d like to go back to dog fights and bear baiting .

Dinetta said:

I don’t have a problem with rodeos, some of those bulls enjoy them more than their riders LOL!

And they live the life of riley between rodeos.

You’re flogging a dead horse Veg, there is NO excuse for whats happening and over 100,000 have signed the petition.

bubba louie said:

Veg gardener said:

Whats going to Be next are we going to Ban Trucks on the Highways?

Vege you are being ridiculous. Did you even see the videos. Nobody is banning anything in Aus.

Yes I have seen the videos I Have seen them before Monday night.

bubba louie said:

Veg gardener said:

Dinetta said:

I’m not sure if my point was picked up, that many of these graziers have deliberately set themselves up with feedlotting and other measures to pander to the export market demand…they have accordingly pushed up the prices of the properties that they are on and the circle of economics demands that they keep producing these cattle numbers/income in order to justify the capitalisation ratio on their investment in the real property.

It’s like we set ourselves up, in our business, to handle a huge volume of demand, and then when the GFC hit, we hit a wall…that’s business…farming and grazing is a business…you’re either in it for the lifestyle or to make money…nobody gave people in our line of business any handouts, we just toughed it out…

Picked it up Dinetta. Also what I have been trying to state/say in some of my post as well that this is there Live and Income for the families, I know you wouldnt be happy if your Office got closed down after its been Passed down from generation to generation, and its what you have been doing since you where little.

What if that same farm was taken over for mining? You’re all for that.
times change people change with them. Maybe you’d like to go back to dog fights and bear baiting .

Cant go Mining in flood Plains can we?

You do realise we sold them to them, So at the end of the day they are there Cattle, Just Bred and raised in australia.
Its just like buying a working dog and trying to tell the new owner how to Look after it.
How about we try and fix the way Poultry meat is Produce and rasied in our own country.

Veg gardener said:

You do realise we sold them to them, So at the end of the day they are there Cattle, Just Bred and raised in australia.
Its just like buying a working dog and trying to tell the new owner how to Look after it.
How about we try and fix the way Poultry meat is Produce and rasied in our own country.

Err. Good dog breeders do check to make sure the new owners will be responsible owners. Look at it this way – if you were adopting out your baby, would you want to know that someone had thoroughly checked into the adoptive parents? Or would you just think “well, it’s not my baby anymore, so I’m not fussed what happens to it.”

Not to equate cows to babies, but as an analogy.

And you’re right, we do need to improve conditions for our poultry, but that doesn’t mean we can’t do more than one thing at once.

But again, I do think your concerns about the economic affects are valid. That doesn’t make others’ concerns about the animal welfare issue invalid. They can both be valid.

Have you ever watched the documentary, Food Inc.? It’s available in DVD, rivetting viewing…it also says, at one point, that the mass produced chicken industry is as big as it is, to service the fast food chain stores, e.g. MacDonalds, KFC, Red Rooster…MrD says that fast food is OK every now and then and I agree, but there’s folk like one of our neighbours, they (as a family) have KFC for breakfast (on the way to work/school), Red Rooster for lunch and I’m not sure about dinner…the line outside the local KFC snakes back on to the highway, outside Red Rooster the car park is full, and outside MacDonalds the line goes back into the one waiting outside KFC…this is most nights, not just Fridays…

We know it’s far less expensive and more filling to make your own meals but clever marketing enables these outlets to fool a very large market segment into believing that it’s OK to eat most of your meals from here…and hence you have the mass produced chicken industry going hell for leather to keep up with this demand…

A lot of Australian farmers are cruel to their animals, we just don’t hear about it…

bon008 said:

But again, I do think your concerns about the economic effects are valid. That doesn’t make others’ concerns about the animal welfare issue invalid. They can both be valid.

Yeps…

Dinetta said:

Have you ever watched the documentary, Food Inc.?

it’s being shown here on Friday with a free sausage sizzle c/- Gecko CLaN

Dinetta said:

bon008 said:

But again, I do think your concerns about the economic effects are valid. That doesn’t make others’ concerns about the animal welfare issue invalid. They can both be valid.

Yeps…

We have Spent 4 mill Over there in the past 10 years, this is how Long it has Been going on for. Only 60% of our Export Cattle go over to them so what about the other 40% if we stop Live export in 3 years time.

Banning it will Hurt the Austrlalian Cattle Industry But it will AlSO HURT THE PEOPLE ARE WANT BETTER ANIMAL STANDARDS over there.

Bon and I wouldn’t be putting Children Up for Adpotion.

bluegreen said:

Dinetta said:

Have you ever watched the documentary, Food Inc.?

it’s being shown here on Friday with a free sausage sizzle c/- Gecko CLaN

I’ve got it on my shelf waiting to be watched. Must get around to it…

I gave it to my brother for Christmas – he loved it, but only wanted to see it once, so gave it back, & when I’ve seen it I will pass it on again to someone else.

Veg gardener said:

Bon and I wouldn’t be putting Children Up for Adpotion.

That’s really not the point, Veg. It’s an analogy. A way to see something from a slightly different point of view.

Veg gardener said:

You do realise we sold them to them, So at the end of the day they are there Cattle, Just Bred and raised in australia.
Its just like buying a working dog and trying to tell the new owner how to Look after it.
How about we try and fix the way Poultry meat is Produce and rasied in our own country.

Which is why we have to stop selling to them, and if you treated a working dog like that you’d be arrested in Aus.

Veg gardener said:

bubba louie said:

Veg gardener said:

Picked it up Dinetta. Also what I have been trying to state/say in some of my post as well that this is there Live and Income for the families, I know you wouldnt be happy if your Office got closed down after its been Passed down from generation to generation, and its what you have been doing since you where little.

What if that same farm was taken over for mining? You’re all for that.
times change people change with them. Maybe you’d like to go back to dog fights and bear baiting .

Cant go Mining in flood Plains can we?

Tell that to these farmers.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/qld-rally-targets-coal-seam-gas-industry-20110531-1fedq.html

bon008 said:

Veg gardener said:

You do realise we sold them to them, So at the end of the day they are there Cattle, Just Bred and raised in australia.
Its just like buying a working dog and trying to tell the new owner how to Look after it.
How about we try and fix the way Poultry meat is Produce and rasied in our own country.

Err. Good dog breeders do check to make sure the new owners will be responsible owners. Look at it this way – if you were adopting out your baby, would you want to know that someone had thoroughly checked into the adoptive parents? Or would you just think “well, it’s not my baby anymore, so I’m not fussed what happens to it.”

Not to equate cows to babies, but as an analogy.

And you’re right, we do need to improve conditions for our poultry, but that doesn’t mean we can’t do more than one thing at once.

But again, I do think your concerns about the economic affects are valid. That doesn’t make others’ concerns about the animal welfare issue invalid. They can both be valid.

We stopped live sheep exports and the world didn’t end, the countries just cleaned up their act once the pressure was on.

Dinetta said:

Have you ever watched the documentary, Food Inc.? It’s available in DVD, rivetting viewing…it also says, at one point, that the mass produced chicken industry is as big as it is, to service the fast food chain stores, e.g. MacDonalds, KFC, Red Rooster…MrD says that fast food is OK every now and then and I agree, but there’s folk like one of our neighbours, they (as a family) have KFC for breakfast (on the way to work/school), Red Rooster for lunch and I’m not sure about dinner…the line outside the local KFC snakes back on to the highway, outside Red Rooster the car park is full, and outside MacDonalds the line goes back into the one waiting outside KFC…this is most nights, not just Fridays…

We know it’s far less expensive and more filling to make your own meals but clever marketing enables these outlets to fool a very large market segment into believing that it’s OK to eat most of your meals from here…and hence you have the mass produced chicken industry going hell for leather to keep up with this demand…

A lot of Australian farmers are cruel to their animals, we just don’t hear about it…

And they need dealing with too.

bubba louie said:

Veg gardener said:

bubba louie said:

What if that same farm was taken over for mining? You’re all for that.
times change people change with them. Maybe you’d like to go back to dog fights and bear baiting .

Cant go Mining in flood Plains can we?

Tell that to these farmers.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/qld-rally-targets-coal-seam-gas-industry-20110531-1fedq.html

Damn that didn’t work.

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

Veg gardener said:

Cant go Mining in flood Plains can we?

Tell that to these farmers.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/qld-rally-targets-coal-seam-gas-industry-20110531-1fedq.html

Damn that didn’t work.

Here’s a few quotes.

Both Queensland and NSW have seen angry clashes recently between farmers and miners, largely brought about by the rapid expansion of the coal-seam gas industry

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/greens-and-farmers-fight-mining-land-grab/story-e6frg6z6-1226063994951

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/mining-deals-may-give-farmers-bum-steer-20110310-1bpsy.html

http://www.theherald.com.au/news/local/news/general/farmers-fight-mine-for-common/2127672.aspx

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8241464/kingaroy-farmers-face-new-mining-threat

I could keep going.

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

Veg gardener said:

Cant go Mining in flood Plains can we?

Tell that to these farmers.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/qld-rally-targets-coal-seam-gas-industry-20110531-1fedq.html

Damn that didn’t work.

Search in a search ‘Qld rally targets coal seam gas industry’ and it comes up.

Happy Potter said:

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

Tell that to these farmers.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/qld-rally-targets-coal-seam-gas-industry-20110531-1fedq.html

Damn that didn’t work.

Search in a search ‘Qld rally targets coal seam gas industry’ and it comes up.

Crikey..TYPE in a search engine…

bubba louie said:

Which is why we have to stop selling to them, and if you treated a working dog like that you’d be arrested in Aus.

Trouble is, Bubba, a lot of working dogs do get treated like that but nobody finds out…

Dinetta said:

bubba louie said:

Which is why we have to stop selling to them, and if you treated a working dog like that you’d be arrested in Aus.

Trouble is, Bubba, a lot of working dogs do get treated like that but nobody finds out…

Well if we did find out I’d hope something would be done. Same for these cattle. No more head in the sand for me.

http://sl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/cattle/processors-push-for-live-trade-ban/2183036.aspx

Rallies in every state city on the 18th.

bubba louie said:

Rallies in every state city on the 18th.

Where’s the info BL?

Happy Potter said:

bubba louie said:

Rallies in every state city on the 18th.

Where’s the info BL?

It was on the news on the bigpond home page but there weren’t any details as yet.

A big step forward.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/ban-on-live-cattle-trade-to-indonesia-20110607-1frdg.html

bubba louie said:

A big step forward.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/ban-on-live-cattle-trade-to-indonesia-20110607-1frdg.html

Nothing on live cattle export on that page Bubba.

pomolo said:

bubba louie said:

A big step forward.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/ban-on-live-cattle-trade-to-indonesia-20110607-1frdg.html

Nothing on live cattle export on that page Bubba.

OH poo. It does that to me all the time.

Joolia has suspened live exports to Indonesia.

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No red meat here since I saw the video. Before everyone jumps on me, I know things are different here or should be. It’s purely a gut reaction and may be short lived, although I did buy some TVP today and there’s veggie burgers and tofu in the fridge. Eeeeeeeek LOL

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No red meat here since I saw the video. Before everyone jumps on me, I know things are different here or should be. It’s purely a gut reaction and may be short lived, although I did buy some TVP today and there’s veggie burgers and tofu in the fridge. Eeeeeeeek LOL

:) I’m just interested in peoples reactions.

I can assert that going vego won’t kill you or starve your babies.

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No red meat here since I saw the video. Before everyone jumps on me, I know things are different here or should be. It’s purely a gut reaction and may be short lived, although I did buy some TVP today and there’s veggie burgers and tofu in the fridge. Eeeeeeeek LOL

:) I’m just interested in peoples reactions.

I can assert that going vego won’t kill you or starve your babies.

I have known a few relatively normal vegos in my time. :P

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

No red meat here since I saw the video. Before everyone jumps on me, I know things are different here or should be. It’s purely a gut reaction and may be short lived, although I did buy some TVP today and there’s veggie burgers and tofu in the fridge. Eeeeeeeek LOL

:) I’m just interested in peoples reactions.

I can assert that going vego won’t kill you or starve your babies.

I have known a few relatively normal vegos in my time. :P

:) Not all of us are crackpots. For example we made the conscious decision to not only become non meat eaers but to bring a couple of children into the world and raise them to adulthood without ever offering them meat, without any restraint upon others to do so. No weird religious sects or anything other than a very normal average life without the meat. Children topped the state in their finals and both have had successful careers. Perfectly normal, even above average people. I was accused of witholding my children from experiencing life to the fullest but they have never done that.

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No. I’m against animal cruelty not against eating meat, as long as it is humanely killed.

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No. I’m against animal cruelty not against eating meat, as long as it is humanely killed.

I didn’‘t expect people to do much about it at all actually. After all Australians don’t buy meat from Indonesian processor or do we?

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No. I’m against animal cruelty not against eating meat, as long as it is humanely killed.

I didn’‘t expect people to do much about it at all actually. After all Australians don’t buy meat from Indonesian processor or do we?

There are butchers outlets with cheap imports. But anyone who knows and /or loves their meat dishes wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole. I had a look once and the meat doesn’t look natural.. like it’s been pumped with something. Water I think..

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No red meat here since I saw the video. Before everyone jumps on me, I know things are different here or should be. It’s purely a gut reaction and may be short lived, although I did buy some TVP today and there’s veggie burgers and tofu in the fridge. Eeeeeeeek LOL

:) I’m just interested in peoples reactions.

I can assert that going vego won’t kill you or starve your babies.

Hmm, should have tricked Mr Bon into watching it.. :) I would like to try going vego but he’s not interested. And I’m not interested in taking over cooking duties. Ho hum. We meet in the middle – moderate consumption of only certain meats.

bon008 said:

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

No red meat here since I saw the video. Before everyone jumps on me, I know things are different here or should be. It’s purely a gut reaction and may be short lived, although I did buy some TVP today and there’s veggie burgers and tofu in the fridge. Eeeeeeeek LOL

:) I’m just interested in peoples reactions.

I can assert that going vego won’t kill you or starve your babies.

Hmm, should have tricked Mr Bon into watching it.. :) I would like to try going vego but he’s not interested. And I’m not interested in taking over cooking duties. Ho hum. We meet in the middle – moderate consumption of only certain meats.

I’m ‘practically’ a vegetaran and have been for some time. But it is only because of my gastric band and meat being harder to eat. I wont push the issue because I luv me band more than meat ;) I haven’t eaten chicken in ages, nor beef, but a bit of lamb is ok, as is pork and fish.

bon008 said:

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

No red meat here since I saw the video. Before everyone jumps on me, I know things are different here or should be. It’s purely a gut reaction and may be short lived, although I did buy some TVP today and there’s veggie burgers and tofu in the fridge. Eeeeeeeek LOL

:) I’m just interested in peoples reactions.

I can assert that going vego won’t kill you or starve your babies.

Hmm, should have tricked Mr Bon into watching it.. :) I would like to try going vego but he’s not interested. And I’m not interested in taking over cooking duties. Ho hum. We meet in the middle – moderate consumption of only certain meats.

I only get annoyed at those bleeding heart type vegos who try and make meat eaters feel morally flawed, but vegos cop the same sort of thing from some carnivors so I suppose it evens out.

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No. How is the meat from abattoirs in Indonesia, getting back to Australia?

I have reduced my consumption of pork because of farming practices in Australia, and we only buy bacon from the butcher (not the supermarket) as this is an Australian grown product.

I buy free-range chicken, well that’s what it says on the label, looking for 2kg sizes.

Free-range eggs (usually Eco Eggs or Springsure product)

roughbarked said:

:) Not all of us are crackpots. For example we made the conscious decision to not only become non meat eaers but to bring a couple of children into the world and raise them to adulthood without ever offering them meat, without any restraint upon others to do so. No weird religious sects or anything other than a very normal average life without the meat. Children topped the state in their finals and both have had successful careers. Perfectly normal, even above average people. I was accused of witholding my children from experiencing life to the fullest but they have never done that.

I think the excellent outcome may be due partly to genes and partly to nurture…

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No. I’m against animal cruelty not against eating meat, as long as it is humanely killed.

I have not bought beef since, I rarely eat lamb, and potk, my main meat is chicken and will buy free range from now on, already converted to free range eggs, thanks to Bev. So looks like I may need a dietary supplement soon :) NOt agans meat as Coralee says but no guarantee of how it ended up on my plate !

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No. I’m against animal cruelty not against eating meat, as long as it is humanely killed.

ditto

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

:) Not all of us are crackpots. For example we made the conscious decision to not only become non meat eaers but to bring a couple of children into the world and raise them to adulthood without ever offering them meat, without any restraint upon others to do so. No weird religious sects or anything other than a very normal average life without the meat. Children topped the state in their finals and both have had successful careers. Perfectly normal, even above average people. I was accused of witholding my children from experiencing life to the fullest but they have never done that.

I think the excellent outcome may be due partly to genes and partly to nurture…

I think the point is that being vegetarian did not retard them from excelling.

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No red meat here since I saw the video. Before everyone jumps on me, I know things are different here or should be. It’s purely a gut reaction and may be short lived, although I did buy some TVP today and there’s veggie burgers and tofu in the fridge. Eeeeeeeek LOL

gluten steak is ridiculously like meat if you want the ‘real’ recipe. don’t forget that beans have about the same protein as meat, so dishes like mexican burritos or tacos or the corn chip one (?) can be made using beans and chopped gluten – you need the flavour sachet tho’..

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No red meat here since I saw the video. Before everyone jumps on me, I know things are different here or should be. It’s purely a gut reaction and may be short lived, although I did buy some TVP today and there’s veggie burgers and tofu in the fridge. Eeeeeeeek LOL

:) I’m just interested in peoples reactions. I can assert that going vego won’t kill you or starve your babies.

the changeover leaves a lot of people wanting meat to fill their guts because meat takes much longer to digest than vegetable matter.
i never turned vego because i reckon veges are life as much as meat is life and you can’t avoid killing summin if you want to eat. too much meat is definitely poor for your bowels, so one meat per day is probably the max you should have.

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No red meat here since I saw the video. Before everyone jumps on me, I know things are different here or should be. It’s purely a gut reaction and may be short lived, although I did buy some TVP today and there’s veggie burgers and tofu in the fridge. Eeeeeeeek LOL

:) I’m just interested in peoples reactions.

I can assert that going vego won’t kill you or starve your babies.

Won’t stop the cruelty over there either.

Happy Potter said:

bon008 said:

roughbarked said:

:) I’m just interested in peoples reactions.

I can assert that going vego won’t kill you or starve your babies.

Hmm, should have tricked Mr Bon into watching it.. :) I would like to try going vego but he’s not interested. And I’m not interested in taking over cooking duties. Ho hum. We meet in the middle – moderate consumption of only certain meats.

I’m ‘practically’ a vegetaran and have been for some time. But it is only because of my gastric band and meat being harder to eat. I wont push the issue because I luv me band more than meat ;) I haven’t eaten chicken in ages, nor beef, but a bit of lamb is ok, as is pork and fish.

I don’t eat much meat either. If it wasn’t for D I wouldn’t bother with red meat at all.

By the way.. in terms of looking for more humane food generally, this RSPCA tool might be helpful:

http://rspca.org.au/shophumane/

You can search by product, or by location.

The videos on the site are well worth watching, too.

pomolo said:

Happy Potter said:

bon008 said:

Hmm, should have tricked Mr Bon into watching it.. :) I would like to try going vego but he’s not interested. And I’m not interested in taking over cooking duties. Ho hum. We meet in the middle – moderate consumption of only certain meats.

I’m ‘practically’ a vegetaran and have been for some time. But it is only because of my gastric band and meat being harder to eat. I wont push the issue because I luv me band more than meat ;) I haven’t eaten chicken in ages, nor beef, but a bit of lamb is ok, as is pork and fish.

I don’t eat much meat either. If it wasn’t for D I wouldn’t bother with red meat at all.

But you don’t eat chicken so would you go vego?

bon008 said:

By the way.. in terms of looking for more humane food generally, this RSPCA tool might be helpful:

http://rspca.org.au/shophumane/

You can search by product, or by location.

The videos on the site are well worth watching, too.

That only came up with eggs and pork in Brisbane.

bubba louie said:

bon008 said:

By the way.. in terms of looking for more humane food generally, this RSPCA tool might be helpful:

http://rspca.org.au/shophumane/

You can search by product, or by location.

The videos on the site are well worth watching, too.

That only came up with eggs and pork in Brisbane.

Really? Gosh. I searched for my suburb & got eggs, pork, chicken and turkey. I would have assumed you would find more on the east coast, not less =/

I’m hoping they will add more product types to it as they go, too…

bon008 said:

bubba louie said:

bon008 said:

By the way.. in terms of looking for more humane food generally, this RSPCA tool might be helpful:

http://rspca.org.au/shophumane/

You can search by product, or by location.

The videos on the site are well worth watching, too.

That only came up with eggs and pork in Brisbane.

Really? Gosh. I searched for my suburb & got eggs, pork, chicken and turkey. I would have assumed you would find more on the east coast, not less =/

I’m hoping they will add more product types to it as they go, too…

Oh wait, take that back.. no pork in my suburb :( So many egg/chicken/turkey results came back that it was hard to spot the absence of pork. Still, pork is one of those meats Mr Bon has agreed not to cook – he just has it when he’s eating out.

bon008 said:

bon008 said:

bubba louie said:

That only came up with eggs and pork in Brisbane.

Really? Gosh. I searched for my suburb & got eggs, pork, chicken and turkey. I would have assumed you would find more on the east coast, not less =/

I’m hoping they will add more product types to it as they go, too…

Oh wait, take that back.. no pork in my suburb :( So many egg/chicken/turkey results came back that it was hard to spot the absence of pork. Still, pork is one of those meats Mr Bon has agreed not to cook – he just has it when he’s eating out.

The only pork we eat is bacon, ham and the very occassional fillet in stir fries, so knowing where I can get it is a plus, but it’s a VERY upmarket shopping center so bound to be pricey.

bubba louie said:

bon008 said:

bon008 said:

Really? Gosh. I searched for my suburb & got eggs, pork, chicken and turkey. I would have assumed you would find more on the east coast, not less =/

I’m hoping they will add more product types to it as they go, too…

Oh wait, take that back.. no pork in my suburb :( So many egg/chicken/turkey results came back that it was hard to spot the absence of pork. Still, pork is one of those meats Mr Bon has agreed not to cook – he just has it when he’s eating out.

The only pork we eat is bacon, ham and the very occassional fillet in stir fries, so knowing where I can get it is a plus, but it’s a VERY upmarket shopping center so bound to be pricey.

I expected to find Lilydale chicken listed but it’s not. I wonder if they have to apply to be listed, like the heart foundation’s tick.

bluegreen said:

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Just as a matter of interest, did any of you reduce your meat consumption as a result of seeing this? I know I am not scared of cucumbers or bean sprouts..

No. I’m against animal cruelty not against eating meat, as long as it is humanely killed.

Does every cut of meat come with a video of its demise?

no So how do you know how it was killed unless you did it yourself or watched it done? ditto

pomolo said:

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

No red meat here since I saw the video. Before everyone jumps on me, I know things are different here or should be. It’s purely a gut reaction and may be short lived, although I did buy some TVP today and there’s veggie burgers and tofu in the fridge. Eeeeeeeek LOL

:) I’m just interested in peoples reactions.

I can assert that going vego won’t kill you or starve your babies.

Won’t stop the cruelty over there either.

True.

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

Happy Potter said:

No. I’m against animal cruelty not against eating meat, as long as it is humanely killed.

ditto

Does every cut of meat come with a video of its demise?

no So how do you know how it was killed unless you did it yourself or watched it done?

you can’t always know, but Australia does have regulations and there are specialty places. When I can I get organic meat and would choose grass fed over feed lots. How likely is it that fresh meat is imported? Frozen and processed stuff maybe, but fresh? Especially if you get it from a butcher that actually butchers it themselves. In the end an animal dies so we can eat meat. I recognise that.

bubba louie said:

pomolo said:

Happy Potter said:

I’m ‘practically’ a vegetaran and have been for some time. But it is only because of my gastric band and meat being harder to eat. I wont push the issue because I luv me band more than meat ;) I haven’t eaten chicken in ages, nor beef, but a bit of lamb is ok, as is pork and fish.

I don’t eat much meat either. If it wasn’t for D I wouldn’t bother with red meat at all.

But you don’t eat chicken so would you go vego?

Not fully vego. I eat sausages and franks, ham, bacon etc.

The only meat I have not and never will eat is veal. No matter what happens at the slaughter house these poor creatures suffer. They are taken from their mothers while they are still nursing and travel too far and go too long with no milk. The RSPCA is fighting for a shorter max time between leaving the farm and slaughter, with compulary feeding if it goes overtime while the dairy industry (where most of these unwanted bull calves come from) wants it lengthened.

Disgusting trade IMHO.

bubba louie said:

The only meat I have not and never will eat is veal. No matter what happens at the slaughter house these poor creatures suffer. They are taken from their mothers while they are still nursing and travel too far and go too long with no milk. The RSPCA is fighting for a shorter max time between leaving the farm and slaughter, with compulary feeding if it goes overtime while the dairy industry (where most of these unwanted bull calves come from) wants it lengthened.

Disgusting trade IMHO.

http://www.rspca.org.au/news/speak-up-for-bobby-calves-now.html

http://www.banliveexport.com/documents/FactSheet-Impact.pdf

Seems to be all I live off these days Simple to Cook.
Wonder who they are buying there Live Cattle off now.

http://sl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/cattle/ban-undermines-welfare/2193024.aspx
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/9602678/cattle-ban-jeopardises-was-250m-industry
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2010/s3241928.htm
Just some more news on the Ban.
Also had some figures of what it was costing us to keep the cattle in the docking yards per day.

Veg gardener said:

http://sl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/cattle/ban-undermines-welfare/2193024.aspx
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/9602678/cattle-ban-jeopardises-was-250m-industry
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2010/s3241928.htm
Just some more news on the Ban.
Also had some figures of what it was costing us to keep the cattle in the docking yards per day.

No one said it would be easy. Short term pain, long term gain.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/theres-no-excuse-for-inhumanity-to-animals-20110613-1fzou.html

bubba louie said:

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/theres-no-excuse-for-inhumanity-to-animals-20110613-1fzou.html

Bugga it’s done it to me again.

bubba louie said:

Veg gardener said:

http://sl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/cattle/ban-undermines-welfare/2193024.aspx
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/9602678/cattle-ban-jeopardises-was-250m-industry
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2010/s3241928.htm
Just some more news on the Ban.
Also had some figures of what it was costing us to keep the cattle in the docking yards per day.

No one said it would be easy. Short term pain, long term gain.

Its in the $100,000+ a day figures, how about the Cattle already on ships, being turned back around.

Veg gardener said:

bubba louie said:

Veg gardener said:

http://sl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/cattle/ban-undermines-welfare/2193024.aspx
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/9602678/cattle-ban-jeopardises-was-250m-industry
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2010/s3241928.htm
Just some more news on the Ban.
Also had some figures of what it was costing us to keep the cattle in the docking yards per day.

No one said it would be easy. Short term pain, long term gain.

Its in the $100,000+ a day figures, how about the Cattle already on ships, being turned back around.

Veg you will just have to agree to disagree with me because nothing you say will change how I feel about this.

Try again.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/theres-no-excuse-for-inhumanity-to-animals-20110613-1fzou.html

bubba louie said:

Try again.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/theres-no-excuse-for-inhumanity-to-animals-20110613-1fzou.html

I give up.

bubba louie said:

Veg gardener said:

bubba louie said:

No one said it would be easy. Short term pain, long term gain.

Its in the $100,000+ a day figures, how about the Cattle already on ships, being turned back around.

Veg you will just have to agree to disagree with me because nothing you say will change how I feel about this.

Might have to Mate, But its something that needs to be Looked at more, so your happy to ban it and let them transport cattle in trucks for 8 days straight from another country, which is what they are currently doing.
So why Didn’t the the film crew stop the people while they where filming if they Knew it was WRONG?

Veg gardener said:

bubba louie said:

Veg gardener said:

Its in the $100,000+ a day figures, how about the Cattle already on ships, being turned back around.

Veg you will just have to agree to disagree with me because nothing you say will change how I feel about this.

Might have to Mate, But its something that needs to be Looked at more, so your happy to ban it and let them transport cattle in trucks for 8 days straight from another country, which is what they are currently doing.
So why Didn’t the the film crew stop the people while they where filming if they Knew it was WRONG?

They had no legal power to do anything. All they could do was document it to stop anymore being sent.
We can only control our end. That’s like saying I’ll sell someone drugs because if we don’t someone else will.

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

Try again.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/theres-no-excuse-for-inhumanity-to-animals-20110613-1fzou.html

I give up.

Yeah it won’t paste properly. Go to sydney morning herald and click on the green menu ‘animals’ and the story is in the top left menu

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

Dairy industry is Stuffed up as well, thanks to woolies and coles doing cheap Milk. Oak at Hexam closed down a few weeks ago Cause of woolworths and coles.

Veg gardener said:

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

Dairy industry is Stuffed up as well, thanks to woolies and coles doing cheap Milk. Oak at Hexam closed down a few weeks ago Cause of woolworths and coles.

Peoples own fault. Buy at the smaller shops like iga and support them.

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

I don’t know how accurate it was, but I read a blog a while back by a guy you lives in Indonesia.

One of the arguments being sprouted by some people was about poor villagers not having enough to eat if we stop exports. This guy said that beef was too expensive for the lower classes in the villages anyway and only went to those with money.

It’d be interesting to know if it was true.

bubba louie said:

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

I don’t know how accurate it was, but I read a blog a while back by a guy you lives in Indonesia.

One of the arguments being sprouted by some people was about poor villagers not having enough to eat if we stop exports. This guy said that beef was too expensive for the lower classes in the villages anyway and only went to those with money.

It’d be interesting to know if it was true.

I remember reading something similar a few days ago. Our meat is exported as it is better quality than the local stock

bubba louie said:

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

I don’t know how accurate it was, but I read a blog a while back by a guy you lives in Indonesia.

One of the arguments being sprouted by some people was about poor villagers not having enough to eat if we stop exports. This guy said that beef was too expensive for the lower classes in the villages anyway and only went to those with money.

It’d be interesting to know if it was true.

in PNG, we ate frozen Lamb from NZ, it was muttonesque and rubbish. The locals could only afford the lamb flaps. The locals never bought Beef, and that was PNG Beef which was far superior to Australian Imported Beef. Chicken and Pork was all PNG produced and plentiful and was the main meat for the lcoal. Except Bully Beef.

Happy Potter said:

bubba louie said:

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

I don’t know how accurate it was, but I read a blog a while back by a guy you lives in Indonesia.

One of the arguments being sprouted by some people was about poor villagers not having enough to eat if we stop exports. This guy said that beef was too expensive for the lower classes in the villages anyway and only went to those with money.

It’d be interesting to know if it was true.

I remember reading something similar a few days ago. Our meat is exported as it is better quality than the local stock

Anyway, the industry created the problem, it took the station owners $5 a head levy and didn’t do the right thing with it. Let them sort their mess out. They are the ones who are really to blame here.

bubba louie said:

Happy Potter said:

bubba louie said:

I don’t know how accurate it was, but I read a blog a while back by a guy you lives in Indonesia.

One of the arguments being sprouted by some people was about poor villagers not having enough to eat if we stop exports. This guy said that beef was too expensive for the lower classes in the villages anyway and only went to those with money.

It’d be interesting to know if it was true.

I remember reading something similar a few days ago. Our meat is exported as it is better quality than the local stock

Anyway, the industry created the problem, it took the station owners $5 a head levy and didn’t do the right thing with it. Let them sort their mess out. They are the ones who are really to blame here.

I was watching Bob Katter on the teev the other night. I don’t agree with most of what be says, and he’s mad as a hatter, but I’ve developed a sneaking admiration for his enthusiasum and commitment. It’s easy to see why his electorate love him. I think he’d be hard to dislike as a person.

MrBL’s mother’s family were friends with Mr Katter senior. I don’t remember the details but I think he was considered a bit “mad” as well. LOL

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

Try again.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/theres-no-excuse-for-inhumanity-to-animals-20110613-1fzou.html

I give up.

it’s not your fault, it’s the way the newspapers set up the links. I don’t think they want people copying them.

bubba louie said:

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

I don’t know how accurate it was, but I read a blog a while back by a guy you lives in Indonesia.

One of the arguments being sprouted by some people was about poor villagers not having enough to eat if we stop exports. This guy said that beef was too expensive for the lower classes in the villages anyway and only went to those with money.

It’d be interesting to know if it was true.

That’s pretty true of our own country too, I bet. When I was a kid we ate meat (beef, lamb, pork) for 3 meals a day. It may not have been so good for us, as we now know, but it was affordable. I wish I knew what changed, that now it’s so frightfully expensive. Could it be something to do with the fact that we export so much of our meat now? Just a thought.

Happy Potter said:

Veg gardener said:

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

Dairy industry is Stuffed up as well, thanks to woolies and coles doing cheap Milk. Oak at Hexam closed down a few weeks ago Cause of woolworths and coles.

Peoples own fault. Buy at the smaller shops like iga and support them.

I don’t agree. It’s time someone clamped down on the big supermarkets. People will always buy a bargain, me included. Living on a pension isn’t funny and so much on the shelves is just out of our reach.

pomolo said:

That’s pretty true of our own country too, I bet. When I was a kid we ate meat (beef, lamb, pork) for 3 meals a day. It may not have been so good for us, as we now know, but it was affordable. I wish I knew what changed, that now it’s so frightfully expensive. Could it be something to do with the fact that we export so much of our meat now? Just a thought.

I find that the budget cuts do not seem to be available in the supermarkets. Only the more premium cuts which they can charge more.

pomolo said:

bubba louie said:

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

I don’t know how accurate it was, but I read a blog a while back by a guy you lives in Indonesia.

One of the arguments being sprouted by some people was about poor villagers not having enough to eat if we stop exports. This guy said that beef was too expensive for the lower classes in the villages anyway and only went to those with money.

It’d be interesting to know if it was true.

That’s pretty true of our own country too, I bet. When I was a kid we ate meat (beef, lamb, pork) for 3 meals a day. It may not have been so good for us, as we now know, but it was affordable. I wish I knew what changed, that now it’s so frightfully expensive. Could it be something to do with the fact that we export so much of our meat now? Just a thought.

I wonder if it really is so expensive compared to incomes then and now?

I can’t imagine going back to the cooked lunches we had as a kid. Lunches here are very much a catch and kill affair.

bluegreen said:

pomolo said:

That’s pretty true of our own country too, I bet. When I was a kid we ate meat (beef, lamb, pork) for 3 meals a day. It may not have been so good for us, as we now know, but it was affordable. I wish I knew what changed, that now it’s so frightfully expensive. Could it be something to do with the fact that we export so much of our meat now? Just a thought.

I find that the budget cuts do not seem to be available in the supermarkets. Only the more premium cuts which they can charge more.

What’s missing at you’re shops?

bubba louie said:

bluegreen said:

pomolo said:

That’s pretty true of our own country too, I bet. When I was a kid we ate meat (beef, lamb, pork) for 3 meals a day. It may not have been so good for us, as we now know, but it was affordable. I wish I knew what changed, that now it’s so frightfully expensive. Could it be something to do with the fact that we export so much of our meat now? Just a thought.

I find that the budget cuts do not seem to be available in the supermarkets. Only the more premium cuts which they can charge more.

What’s missing at you’re shops?

The budget cuts have become the prime cuts! I remember feeding lamb shanks to my dog, we never ate them.

bubba louie said:

bluegreen said:

pomolo said:

That’s pretty true of our own country too, I bet. When I was a kid we ate meat (beef, lamb, pork) for 3 meals a day. It may not have been so good for us, as we now know, but it was affordable. I wish I knew what changed, that now it’s so frightfully expensive. Could it be something to do with the fact that we export so much of our meat now? Just a thought.

I find that the budget cuts do not seem to be available in the supermarkets. Only the more premium cuts which they can charge more.

What’s missing at you’re shops?

oh, I don’t know, they aren’t there! well you used to be able to buy a lamb quarter or half, but now it is all chops and leg steaks and even the shanks are pricey. I am sure there is a lot of cuts that just aren’t there, or maybe they all in the mince? And they have the pre-marinated packs that I don’t buy.

bubba louie said:

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

I don’t know how accurate it was, but I read a blog a while back by a guy you lives in Indonesia.

One of the arguments being sprouted by some people was about poor villagers not having enough to eat if we stop exports. This guy said that beef was too expensive for the lower classes in the villages anyway and only went to those with money.

It’d be interesting to know if it was true.

From my experience, it sounds true. Not that that’s a lot of experience, but more than none.

bluegreen said:

bubba louie said:

bluegreen said:

I find that the budget cuts do not seem to be available in the supermarkets. Only the more premium cuts which they can charge more.

What’s missing at you’re shops?

oh, I don’t know, they aren’t there! well you used to be able to buy a lamb quarter or half, but now it is all chops and leg steaks and even the shanks are pricey. I am sure there is a lot of cuts that just aren’t there, or maybe they all in the mince? And they have the pre-marinated packs that I don’t buy.

You need one of the privately run butchers to get quarters or halves. I never used to buy the marinated things eithyer but there’s a new one at Coles, in the BBQ range, that’s yummy. Chilli beef somethingorother. It’s just a big slab of beef in a cryovac bag.

bubba louie said:

bluegreen said:

pomolo said:

That’s pretty true of our own country too, I bet. When I was a kid we ate meat (beef, lamb, pork) for 3 meals a day. It may not have been so good for us, as we now know, but it was affordable. I wish I knew what changed, that now it’s so frightfully expensive. Could it be something to do with the fact that we export so much of our meat now? Just a thought.

I find that the budget cuts do not seem to be available in the supermarkets. Only the more premium cuts which they can charge more.

What’s missing at you’re shops?

Tripe/tongue/brains. To name a few. I didn’t say I eat them.

Happy Potter said:

bubba louie said:

bluegreen said:

I find that the budget cuts do not seem to be available in the supermarkets. Only the more premium cuts which they can charge more.

What’s missing at you’re shops?

The budget cuts have become the prime cuts! I remember feeding lamb shanks to my dog, we never ate them.

And what a price they are now. We used to buy them for 50c each They were also for the dog as well. It didn’t matter because we had our own roast lamb legs regularly anyway.

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

Happy Potter said:

I remember reading something similar a few days ago. Our meat is exported as it is better quality than the local stock

Anyway, the industry created the problem, it took the station owners $5 a head levy and didn’t do the right thing with it. Let them sort their mess out. They are the ones who are really to blame here.

I was watching Bob Katter on the teev the other night. I don’t agree with most of what be says, and he’s mad as a hatter, but I’ve developed a sneaking admiration for his enthusiasum and commitment. It’s easy to see why his electorate love him. I think he’d be hard to dislike as a person.

MrBL’s mother’s family were friends with Mr Katter senior. I don’t remember the details but I think he was considered a bit “mad” as well. LOL

MrBL’s Mum went to school with Katter senior.

http://www.banliveexport.com/documents/FactSheet-Impact.pdf

http://www.nationaldayofactiontoendliveexport.com.au/

http://jakartaanimalaid.com/blog/2011/06/13/animal-activists-welcome-live-cattle-ban/

This is one everyone needs to read.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/06/13/slashing-legs-and-throats-all-a-day’s-work.html

bubba louie said:

This is one everyone needs to read.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/06/13/slashing-legs-and-throats-all-a-day’s-work.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/06/13/slashing-legs-and-throats-all-a-day’s-work.html

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

This is one everyone needs to read.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/06/13/slashing-legs-and-throats-all-a-day’s-work.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/06/13/slashing-legs-and-throats-all-a-day’s-work.html

I’m working on it.

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

This is one everyone needs to read.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/06/13/slashing-legs-and-throats-all-a-day’s-work.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/06/13/slashing-legs-and-throats-all-a-day’s-work.html

I’m working on it.

Slashing legs and throats: All in a day’s work
The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Mon, 06/13/2011 9:43 PM
A | A | A | Workers in Jakarta’s slaughterhouses say the way they kill cattle is not inhumane and uses only conventional “manual” measures.

Muhammad Mudhofir, who previously worked at the Pulogadung slaughterhouse in East Jakarta, told The Jakarta Post recently that he and his co-workers typically crippled animals before they were killed.
“When we killed an animal manually, first we’d incapacitate it and tie it down by its head and legs,” he said. “We could also do it with the help of restraining boxes and stun guns but, in practice, we found it was easier to do it manually.”

Mudhofir, a slaughterhouse worker from 1997 to 2002, said some people might fight the process of incapacitating cattle disturbing or abusive.

To cripple cattle, he said, workers had to slash an animal’s legs to make it drop to the ground and then slash its neck to render it unconscious.
“The slaughterhouse workers are accustomed to the traditional methods. We were never trained in modern tools such as restraining boxes or stun guns, he said, adding that such training was non-existent at his slaughterhouse.

“It is true that workers might kick, punch or do anything that necessary to make the animal fall down.”

Cattle were typically killed between 1 a.m. and 2 a.m. so the carcasses could be readied for sale
by 4 a.m.

Mudhofir no longer works at a slaughterhouse. He owns a butcher shop in Mampang, South Jakarta, and only slaughters cattle occasionally upon customer request.

Another slaughterhouse worker, Agus, told the Post that the Australian cattle were more aggressive than local ones. According to him, local cattle were tamer because they were raised in cages while Australian cattle matured in open fields.

In local slaughterhouses, cattle are dragged to the top of concrete mounds and then toppled over, falling to their deaths.

“As far as I know there is no rule or regulation governing slaughtering methods except from religious regulations as in Islamic teachings,” Agus, a worker at a Mampang slaughterhouse, said.

All the government provided was infrastructure and all it checked was health-related paperwork, Agus said.

The Australian government halted the export of its cattle to Indonesia earlier in June after the broadcast of a television documentary that portrayed the slaughter of Australian cattle in Indonesia in a poor light.

In the documentary, steers were shown in footages as suffering from being whipped and taking minutes to bleed to death after their throats were cut. Animal Australia and the Australian Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, better known as the RSPCA, want the live cattle trade banned on cruelty grounds. Both cooperated with Australian Broadcasting Corp. to produce the gruesome television program screened nationally late last month.

RSPCA chief scientist Bidda Jones, who analyzed the video slaughter of 50 cattle, said the slaughter men used on average 11 cuts to the throat to kill each animal, and as many as 33. The Australian standard was death within 30 seconds. (rpt)

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

Anyway, the industry created the problem, it took the station owners $5 a head levy and didn’t do the right thing with it. Let them sort their mess out. They are the ones who are really to blame here.

I was watching Bob Katter on the teev the other night. I don’t agree with most of what be says, and he’s mad as a hatter, but I’ve developed a sneaking admiration for his enthusiasum and commitment. It’s easy to see why his electorate love him. I think he’d be hard to dislike as a person.

MrBL’s mother’s family were friends with Mr Katter senior. I don’t remember the details but I think he was considered a bit “mad” as well. LOL

MrBL’s Mum went to school with Katter senior.

Keep up the good work Bubba !!!

bon008 said:

bubba louie said:

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

I don’t know how accurate it was, but I read a blog a while back by a guy you lives in Indonesia.

One of the arguments being sprouted by some people was about poor villagers not having enough to eat if we stop exports. This guy said that beef was too expensive for the lower classes in the villages anyway and only went to those with money.

It’d be interesting to know if it was true.

From my experience, it sounds true. Not that that’s a lot of experience, but more than none.

I hear on the grape vime that Aussies are just as cruel in some abbs. ?

bluegreen said:

pomolo said:

That’s pretty true of our own country too, I bet. When I was a kid we ate meat (beef, lamb, pork) for 3 meals a day. It may not have been so good for us, as we now know, but it was affordable. I wish I knew what changed, that now it’s so frightfully expensive. Could it be something to do with the fact that we export so much of our meat now? Just a thought.

I find that the budget cuts do not seem to be available in the supermarkets. Only the more premium cuts which they can charge more.

Because ferals dont care what they eat as long as it is cheap and they get red meat( talking of o/s ppls here) I AM STILL IS DISGUST I AM SORRY

pomolo said:

bubba louie said:

Happy Potter said:

I’ll be more blunt. I don’t give a rats arse who goes broke. There really is NO excuse for torturing animals.
I don’t care if cattle are stopped being slaughtered permanantly and only used for say, milk, if thats what it takes. Same for other farmed animals as well.

I don’t know how accurate it was, but I read a blog a while back by a guy you lives in Indonesia.

One of the arguments being sprouted by some people was about poor villagers not having enough to eat if we stop exports. This guy said that beef was too expensive for the lower classes in the villages anyway and only went to those with money.

It’d be interesting to know if it was true.

That’s pretty true of our own country too, I bet. When I was a kid we ate meat (beef, lamb, pork) for 3 meals a day. It may not have been so good for us, as we now know, but it was affordable. I wish I knew what changed, that now it’s so frightfully expensive. Could it be something to do with the fact that we export so much of our meat now? Just a thought.

eat other food does not have to be meat !!! if meat is that cheap it is their staple what the F is going on !

pomolo said:

Happy Potter said:

Veg gardener said:

Dairy industry is Stuffed up as well, thanks to woolies and coles doing cheap Milk. Oak at Hexam closed down a few weeks ago Cause of woolworths and coles.

Peoples own fault. Buy at the smaller shops like iga and support them.

I don’t agree. It’s time someone clamped down on the big supermarkets. People will always buy a bargain, me included. Living on a pension isn’t funny and so much on the shelves is just out of our reach.

I have never paid full prive for any red or white meat at the stoopidmarkets for years I refuse to pay it, go without an went to the local market, now I wont even go there !!

Veg gardener said:

bubba louie said:

Veg gardener said:

Its in the $100,000+ a day figures, how about the Cattle already on ships, being turned back around.

Veg you will just have to agree to disagree with me because nothing you say will change how I feel about this.

Might have to Mate, But its something that needs to be Looked at more, so your happy to ban it and let them transport cattle in trucks for 8 days straight from another country, which is what they are currently doing.
So why Didn’t the the film crew stop the people while they where filming if they Knew it was WRONG?

I even think they way they are transpported at times is cruel even before they get to the ports to be shipped off, kinda like a lot of the forgotten australians where , once left the harbour who gives a shit, becomes someone else’s problem !

Best I drop it , getting to upset :(

Maybe a few graphic pics here might help , unfortunately I cant do it as I’ll be so sick !