There was another thread about my backyard somewhere.. or about roughbarked.. but it is a long way back down the LHC.
It was suggested I should talk about my backyard, though in reality it is not the lush garden many of you have. I’m not the type that prunes and neatens gardens into formal shapes nor do I grow most of the plants used in formal gardens. Mine is far more informal, a place to ramble rather than stroll in.
I particular it was mentioned that I should discuss what it is I am doing and why. We could start with what it did look like.

and move to how that looks now.

comments of course, are welcome. ;)

roughbarked said:

There was another thread about my backyard somewhere.. or about roughbarked.. but it is a long way back down the LHC.
It was suggested I should talk about my backyard, though in reality it is not the lush garden many of you have. I’m not the type that prunes and neatens gardens into formal shapes nor do I grow most of the plants used in formal gardens. Mine is far more informal, a place to ramble rather than stroll in.
I particular it was mentioned that I should discuss what it is I am doing and why. We could start with what it did look like.

and move to how that looks now.

comments of course, are welcome. ;)

So how big is your place for a start RB?

roughbarked said:

There was another thread about my backyard somewhere.. or about roughbarked.. but it is a long way back down the LHC.
It was suggested I should talk about my backyard, though in reality it is not the lush garden many of you have. I’m not the type that prunes and neatens gardens into formal shapes nor do I grow most of the plants used in formal gardens. Mine is far more informal, a place to ramble rather than stroll in.
I particular it was mentioned that I should discuss what it is I am doing and why. We could start with what it did look like.

and move to how that looks now.

comments of course, are welcome. ;)

Nice neat cuts.

How big?
Well the shot down the path would be about 40 metres deep?
The yard inside the boundary is 1661 sq m or near enough to 7/16ths of an acre. I also manage a couple of hectares of self planted bushland outside my fence.

Neat cuts? well the only machinery I use is a chain-saw.

The actual area where I’m changing my fruit trees is much smaller. It would comprise less than 10% of the actual yard space. I will be hacking other trees too but not totally replacing them all.

roughbarked said:

How big?
Well the shot down the path would be about 40 metres deep?
The yard inside the boundary is 1661 sq m or near enough to 7/16ths of an acre. I also manage a couple of hectares of self planted bushland outside my fence.

Neat cuts? well the only machinery I use is a chain-saw.

you wield one well.

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

How big?
Well the shot down the path would be about 40 metres deep?
The yard inside the boundary is 1661 sq m or near enough to 7/16ths of an acre. I also manage a couple of hectares of self planted bushland outside my fence.

Neat cuts? well the only machinery I use is a chain-saw.

you wield one well.

Thanks, haven’t cut myself yet anyway.

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

How big?
Well the shot down the path would be about 40 metres deep?
The yard inside the boundary is 1661 sq m or near enough to 7/16ths of an acre. I also manage a couple of hectares of self planted bushland outside my fence.

Neat cuts? well the only machinery I use is a chain-saw.

you wield one well.

Thanks, haven’t cut myself yet anyway.

touch wood.

blood loss is great when chainsaws bite.

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

you wield one well.

Thanks, haven’t cut myself yet anyway.

touch wood.

blood loss is great when chainsaws bite.

I’ve seen the evidence. In some ways I was lucky to have a father-in-law who was once a sleeper cutter and in later life a forester, he instructed me in safe chainsaw use and tree felling when he helped me cut all the posts and build the fence.

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

Thanks, haven’t cut myself yet anyway.

touch wood.

blood loss is great when chainsaws bite.

I’ve seen the evidence. In some ways I was lucky to have a father-in-law who was once a sleeper cutter and in later life a forester, he instructed me in safe chainsaw use and tree felling when he helped me cut all the posts and build the fence.

At Kokoda, some large trees were felled and chopped up and used as stumps to build a hut. Big stumps, 4ft long and 60cm across. Years later, I looked under the hut, at the stumps and half of them had shoots growing from them. They were still alive, or at least surviving in the stored energy within the cambian layer that was left behind.

neatness does not win me, but purpose does :)

roughbarked said:

How big?
Well the shot down the path would be about 40 metres deep?
The yard inside the boundary is 1661 sq m or near enough to 7/16ths of an acre. I also manage a couple of hectares of self planted bushland outside my fence.

Neat cuts? well the only machinery I use is a chain-saw.

I had a feeling your place was bigger than that. Now I’m getting a truer picture.

pomolo said:

roughbarked said:

How big?
Well the shot down the path would be about 40 metres deep?
The yard inside the boundary is 1661 sq m or near enough to 7/16ths of an acre. I also manage a couple of hectares of self planted bushland outside my fence.

Neat cuts? well the only machinery I use is a chain-saw.

I had a feeling your place was bigger than that. Now I’m getting a truer picture.

Oh, I’m spread all over the place but the only bit I have legal rights to is that inside my fence.
Though if the crown wants to argue, I have plenty receipts for money I’ve spent looking after their land.

roughbarked said:

There was another thread about my backyard somewhere.. or about roughbarked.. but it is a long way back down the LHC.
It was suggested I should talk about my backyard, though in reality it is not the lush garden many of you have. I’m not the type that prunes and neatens gardens into formal shapes nor do I grow most of the plants used in formal gardens. Mine is far more informal, a place to ramble rather than stroll in.
I particular it was mentioned that I should discuss what it is I am doing and why. We could start with what it did look like.

and move to how that looks now.

comments of course, are welcome. ;)

Looks good to me. Lush + my garden, makes me laugh. I’m a very messy gardener.

That’s NOT lush and green? Oh, I weep for my garden some days. Your garden looks GORGEOUS to me, RB.

bon008 said:

That’s NOT lush and green? Oh, I weep for my garden some days. Your garden looks GORGEOUS to me, RB.

I’ve got plenty and lush and green weeds.

bubba louie said:

bon008 said:

That’s NOT lush and green? Oh, I weep for my garden some days. Your garden looks GORGEOUS to me, RB.

I’ve got plenty and lush and green weeds.

That’s he job of weeds to grow lush and cover everything

beauty – love garden pictures.

bluegreen said:

neatness does not win me, but purpose does :)

quote for the day LOL.

pepe said:

bluegreen said:

neatness does not win me, but purpose does :)

quote for the day LOL.

Yep that does it for me too……great lookin garden RB…purpose wins hands down at my place

Muschee said:

pepe said:

bluegreen said:

neatness does not win me, but purpose does :)

quote for the day LOL.

Yep that does it for me too……great lookin garden RB…purpose wins hands down at my place

OK .. well i’ve put in the replacement trees and by doing so if all my grafting and pruning techniques work, I’ll have reduced my stone fruiting area by a massive amount and concentrated the amount of fruit I get.. finished too late for photos tolday.. sowed broad beans to shade the bases of the new trees.. There is more reorganisation yet.. I’ll hack my granny smith soon and do some grafts too. The Persimmon is hacked.. I’ll graft a couple of different varieties on that too this season. I’ve still got figs and citrus to sort but I’ll just take fig cuttings and start them again.. clear them away from the citrus

Mind, my granny smith is bigger than a lot of people’s back yards

roughbarked said:

Muschee said:

pepe said:

quote for the day LOL.

Yep that does it for me too……great lookin garden RB…purpose wins hands down at my place

OK .. well i’ve put in the replacement trees and by doing so if all my grafting and pruning techniques work, I’ll have reduced my stone fruiting area by a massive amount and concentrated the amount of fruit I get.. finished too late for photos tolday.. sowed broad beans to shade the bases of the new trees.. There is more reorganisation yet.. I’ll hack my granny smith soon and do some grafts too. The Persimmon is hacked.. I’ll graft a couple of different varieties on that too this season. I’ve still got figs and citrus to sort but I’ll just take fig cuttings and start them again.. clear them away from the citrus

What time of year will you do the fig cuttings, RB?

Why do you have to shade the bases of the new trees? First time I ever heard of that.

bon008 said:

roughbarked said:

Muschee said:

Yep that does it for me too……great lookin garden RB…purpose wins hands down at my place

OK .. well i’ve put in the replacement trees and by doing so if all my grafting and pruning techniques work, I’ll have reduced my stone fruiting area by a massive amount and concentrated the amount of fruit I get.. finished too late for photos tolday.. sowed broad beans to shade the bases of the new trees.. There is more reorganisation yet.. I’ll hack my granny smith soon and do some grafts too. The Persimmon is hacked.. I’ll graft a couple of different varieties on that too this season. I’ve still got figs and citrus to sort but I’ll just take fig cuttings and start them again.. clear them away from the citrus

What time of year will you do the fig cuttings, RB?

Now

in general

but you can take them any time of year if you want to play.

Happy Potter said:

Why do you have to shade the bases of the new trees? First time I ever heard of that.

are you sure you live in Australia?

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

Why do you have to shade the bases of the new trees? First time I ever heard of that.

are you sure you live in Australia?

Yeah I know, but ..I was always told to mulch the base well and water in, of course, but never heard anyone say to grow something like broad beans under it to shade the base..

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

Why do you have to shade the bases of the new trees? First time I ever heard of that.

are you sure you live in Australia?

Yeah I know, but ..I was always told to mulch the base well and water in, of course, but never heard anyone say to grow something like broad beans under it to shade the base..

Do you mean.. very small trees that need a shade cloth or hessian wrapped around stakes to protect them? I got it in my mind somehow that the trees you planted are bigger, so thought, why do that.
Maybe I’m tired too, lol.

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

Why do you have to shade the bases of the new trees? First time I ever heard of that.

are you sure you live in Australia?

Yeah I know, but ..I was always told to mulch the base well and water in, of course, but never heard anyone say to grow something like broad beans under it to shade the base..

If only

yeah I know we all have such tales.. but it is true If only I’d thought that people would really want to see my photographs and if only I’d bothered to keep up doing it all the way through my life on this planet.

I’ll have a dig but with millions of photos that could take a while.

I’ve probably talked here before about knowing which way the tree was growing before you bought it?

ie; orientation to the sun?

roughbarked said:

ie; orientation to the sun?

well occident is actually what I refer to

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

are you sure you live in Australia?

Yeah I know, but ..I was always told to mulch the base well and water in, of course, but never heard anyone say to grow something like broad beans under it to shade the base..

If only

yeah I know we all have such tales.. but it is true If only I’d thought that people would really want to see my photographs and if only I’d bothered to keep up doing it all the way through my life on this planet.

I’ll have a dig but with millions of photos that could take a while.

I’ve probably talked here before about knowing which way the tree was growing before you bought it?

ie; orientation to the sun?

Ok. Obviously that is important, but you’re the only person I’ve heard that from.

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

Yeah I know, but ..I was always told to mulch the base well and water in, of course, but never heard anyone say to grow something like broad beans under it to shade the base..

If only

yeah I know we all have such tales.. but it is true If only I’d thought that people would really want to see my photographs and if only I’d bothered to keep up doing it all the way through my life on this planet.

I’ll have a dig but with millions of photos that could take a while.

I’ve probably talked here before about knowing which way the tree was growing before you bought it?

ie; orientation to the sun?

Ok. Obviously that is important, but you’re the only person I’ve heard that from.

and you may only ever hear it from me.. but note it down because our granchidren will want to know.

Of course people want to see your photographs, and you don’t have to categorise them all neatly, just put ones you love in now and then, that you think is helpful. You have taught me heaps about trees and plants, probably without even knowing it.
I was one of those annoying kids that asked why a hundred times, until it made sense to me. And I’m still like that so beware ;)

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

If only

yeah I know we all have such tales.. but it is true If only I’d thought that people would really want to see my photographs and if only I’d bothered to keep up doing it all the way through my life on this planet.

I’ll have a dig but with millions of photos that could take a while.

I’ve probably talked here before about knowing which way the tree was growing before you bought it?

ie; orientation to the sun?

Ok. Obviously that is important, but you’re the only person I’ve heard that from.

and you may only ever hear it from me.. but note it down because our granchidren will want to know.

Done, and noted.
But I still want to know why.. is it to shade the trees, well their bases, from frost? or sun, or both?

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

Ok. Obviously that is important, but you’re the only person I’ve heard that from.

and you may only ever hear it from me.. but note it down because our granchidren will want to know.

Done, and noted.
But I still want to know why.. is it to shade the trees, well their bases, from frost? or sun, or both?

shade=from sun protection from frost hardly needs to contemplate shade from frost

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

and you may only ever hear it from me.. but note it down because our granchidren will want to know.

Done, and noted.
But I still want to know why.. is it to shade the trees, well their bases, from frost? or sun, or both?

shade=from sun protection from frost hardly needs to contemplate shade from frost

Ok, thanks. Shade and shelter mean different things. Got it.

roughbarked said:

bon008 said:

roughbarked said:

OK .. well i’ve put in the replacement trees and by doing so if all my grafting and pruning techniques work, I’ll have reduced my stone fruiting area by a massive amount and concentrated the amount of fruit I get.. finished too late for photos tolday.. sowed broad beans to shade the bases of the new trees.. There is more reorganisation yet.. I’ll hack my granny smith soon and do some grafts too. The Persimmon is hacked.. I’ll graft a couple of different varieties on that too this season. I’ve still got figs and citrus to sort but I’ll just take fig cuttings and start them again.. clear them away from the citrus

What time of year will you do the fig cuttings, RB?

Now

in general

but you can take them any time of year if you want to play.

Thanks :) “Now” is my plan – I’m just waiting for my tree to finish dropping leaves. It’s about 2/3rds done.

Thanks for putting the photos up, RoughBarked…I still think your own thread re your gardening / orcharding efforts was a good idea…

The first photo is pretty as a picture, but I can see you would be doing heaps of maintenance just for a “show”, and appreciate that you’d rather be doing work for edible productivity…

I think I can see flat leaf parsley in the second photo, peas(?) in the background with a line of lettuce in front of the “peas”? What would be the plants needing the stakes?

Dinetta said:

Thanks for putting the photos up, RoughBarked…I still think your own thread re your gardening / orcharding efforts was a good idea…

The first photo is pretty as a picture, but I can see you would be doing heaps of maintenance just for a “show”, and appreciate that you’d rather be doing work for edible productivity…

I think I can see flat leaf parsley in the second photo, peas(?) in the background with a line of lettuce in front of the “peas”? What would be the plants needing the stakes?

the staked plants were a mixture of beans which have now been killed by frost

roughbarked said:

the staked plants were a mixture of beans which have now been killed by frost

:(

Oh well, at least you can recycle them…it looks shady in the photo or is that just the soft winter sun?

roughbarked said:

Muschee said:

pepe said:

quote for the day LOL.

Yep that does it for me too……great lookin garden RB…purpose wins hands down at my place

OK .. well i’ve put in the replacement trees and by doing so if all my grafting and pruning techniques work, I’ll have reduced my stone fruiting area by a massive amount and concentrated the amount of fruit I get.. finished too late for photos tolday.. sowed broad beans to shade the bases of the new trees.. There is more reorganisation yet.. I’ll hack my granny smith soon and do some grafts too. The Persimmon is hacked.. I’ll graft a couple of different varieties on that too this season. I’ve still got figs and citrus to sort but I’ll just take fig cuttings and start them again.. clear them away from the citrus

I’m listening.

the soft winter light. The only shade that would be there would be from citrus just outside picture.
The beans will still give me seed to plant in spring and trash to dig in or compost.
All the other tees nearby have lost their leaves

Happy Potter said:

Of course people want to see your photographs, and you don’t have to categorise them all neatly, just put ones you love in now and then, that you think is helpful. You have taught me heaps about trees and plants, probably without even knowing it.
I was one of those annoying kids that asked why a hundred times, until it made sense to me. And I’m still like that so beware ;)

OK. You be the annoying kid HP and I’ll just sit back and absorb all that is said in this thread.

roughbarked said:

the soft winter light. The only shade that would be there would be from citrus just outside picture.
The beans will still give me seed to plant in spring and trash to dig in or compost.
All the other tees nearby have lost their leaves

v-e-r-y soft, by the looks of it…like heavy shade…glad you got a sort of harvest from your beans before they carked it…

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

the soft winter light. The only shade that would be there would be from citrus just outside picture.
The beans will still give me seed to plant in spring and trash to dig in or compost.
All the other tees nearby have lost their leaves

v-e-r-y soft, by the looks of it…like heavy shade…glad you got a sort of harvest from your beans before they carked it…

buckets and buckets full of beans were harvested.

May also be a shady day. Had you thought of that?

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

the soft winter light. The only shade that would be there would be from citrus just outside picture.
The beans will still give me seed to plant in spring and trash to dig in or compost.
All the other tees nearby have lost their leaves

v-e-r-y soft, by the looks of it…like heavy shade…glad you got a sort of harvest from your beans before they carked it…

buckets and buckets full of beans were harvested.

May also be a shady day. Had you thought of that?

Well yes and no, was trying to get a “feel” for the light in your photo as we don’t have that kind of light up here except for very, very heavy cloud or equally heavy vegetation shade.

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

v-e-r-y soft, by the looks of it…like heavy shade…glad you got a sort of harvest from your beans before they carked it…

buckets and buckets full of beans were harvested.

May also be a shady day. Had you thought of that?

Well yes and no, was trying to get a “feel” for the light in your photo as we don’t have that kind of light up here except for very, very heavy cloud or equally heavy vegetation shade.

“up here”

you must be closer to the sun?

Winter sun here is quite low on the horizon. So low in fact that trees in my front yard, shade my backyard morning and afternoon but if they weren’t there my house would be a hotbox in summer.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

buckets and buckets full of beans were harvested.

May also be a shady day. Had you thought of that?

Well yes and no, was trying to get a “feel” for the light in your photo as we don’t have that kind of light up here except for very, very heavy cloud or equally heavy vegetation shade.

“up here”

you must be closer to the sun?

Winter sun here is quite low on the horizon. So low in fact that trees in my front yard, shade my backyard morning and afternoon but if they weren’t there my house would be a hotbox in summer.

Actually, thinking about it..^^ We have both neglected the fact of volcanic ash clouds.. a recent occurrence.

Anyway it was said I may know where to get cheap trees.. anyone want to buy some trees?

Far out, that’s a lot of trees. Are they all fruit trees?

Happy Potter said:

Far out, that’s a lot of trees. Are they all fruit trees?

that’s the only sort he grows I would say :)

Happy Potter said:

Far out, that’s a lot of trees. Are they all fruit trees?

well, that’s debatable for some as all trees create fruit.

Weeping mulberries for example (most of which are still out in the paddock) and mop tops are considered ornamental but they both can be weeds due to seed dispersal. In the case of mop tops, they are budded onto Robinia which is a horror at suckering up into the carport.

rant over.. Yes a large percentage are dedicated fruit trees. A large percentage is also what I call crap environmental weeds known to many as flowering peach, prunus, pear..and etc.

bluegreen said:

Happy Potter said:

Far out, that’s a lot of trees. Are they all fruit trees?

that’s the only sort he grows I would say :)

On the contrary actually.. I only work for these people because native plants are considered weeds by the majority of the population who want to buy a plant. I’m expected to sell a reare and endangered species for 50 cents or less when I can get 100 bucks for a mop top.

in my time (and the bods at SSSF have done their damnest to try and prove me wrong without first checking the evidence.. ) I have grown more than six million trees which requires planting all of them. The saddest part of all this is that many of that number are trees which need a couple of hundred native plants destroyed so that it can have a place to be planted.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

Well yes and no, was trying to get a “feel” for the light in your photo as we don’t have that kind of light up here except for very, very heavy cloud or equally heavy vegetation shade.

“up here”

you must be closer to the sun?

Winter sun here is quite low on the horizon. So low in fact that trees in my front yard, shade my backyard morning and afternoon but if they weren’t there my house would be a hotbox in summer.

Actually, thinking about it..^^ We have both neglected the fact of volcanic ash clouds.. a recent occurrence.

Anyway it was said I may know where to get cheap trees.. anyone want to buy some trees?

Now I see what you do in your spare time.

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

Happy Potter said:

Far out, that’s a lot of trees. Are they all fruit trees?

that’s the only sort he grows I would say :)

On the contrary actually.. I only work for these people because native plants are considered weeds by the majority of the population who want to buy a plant. I’m expected to sell a reare and endangered species for 50 cents or less when I can get 100 bucks for a mop top.

in my time (and the bods at SSSF have done their damnest to try and prove me wrong without first checking the evidence.. ) I have grown more than six million trees which requires planting all of them. The saddest part of all this is that many of that number are trees which need a couple of hundred native plants destroyed so that it can have a place to be planted.

I get how you must feel. The average Joe Blo wouldn’t even consider it from that angle. I probably belong to the JB crowd.

The full list is exhaustive to type out but most of the trees generally sold in nurseries are represented.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

buckets and buckets full of beans were harvested.

May also be a shady day. Had you thought of that?

Well yes and no, was trying to get a “feel” for the light in your photo as we don’t have that kind of light up here except for very, very heavy cloud or equally heavy vegetation shade.

“up here”

you must be closer to the sun?

Winter sun here is quite low on the horizon. So low in fact that trees in my front yard, shade my backyard morning and afternoon but if they weren’t there my house would be a hotbox in summer.

Closer to the equator? like right on the tropic of capricorn?

roughbarked said:

Anyway it was said I may know where to get cheap trees.. anyone want to buy some trees?

When I think citrus trees are about $70 each up here, my eyes misted over at the sight of that photo..

roughbarked said:

rant over.. Yes a large percentage are dedicated fruit trees. A large percentage is also what I call crap environmental weeds known to many as flowering peach, prunus, pear..and etc.

We can grow peaches up here but generally they need to be picked green ( difficult to ripen) so my Mother used to preserve them and they made wonderful tart-y desserts…

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

rant over.. Yes a large percentage are dedicated fruit trees. A large percentage is also what I call crap environmental weeds known to many as flowering peach, prunus, pear..and etc.

We can grow peaches up here but generally they need to be picked green ( difficult to ripen) so my Mother used to preserve them and they made wonderful tart-y desserts…

They ripened OK here when I was a kid, if the fruit fly didn’t get them first. I remember marathon bottling sessions at my aunties place. There’s something very special about the taste of home bottled peaches.

bubba louie said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

rant over.. Yes a large percentage are dedicated fruit trees. A large percentage is also what I call crap environmental weeds known to many as flowering peach, prunus, pear..and etc.

We can grow peaches up here but generally they need to be picked green ( difficult to ripen) so my Mother used to preserve them and they made wonderful tart-y desserts…

They ripened OK here when I was a kid, if the fruit fly didn’t get them first. I remember marathon bottling sessions at my aunties place. There’s something very special about the taste of home bottled peaches.

I’d say bubba is on the money as to why they were hard to ripen and had to be picked green and preserved .. the dreaded Fruit Fly maggot. If you catch them early and cook them, you don’t notice the maggots.

OK .. well i’ve put in the replacement trees and by doing so if all my grafting and pruning techniques work, I’ll have reduced my stone fruiting area by a massive amount and concentrated the amount of fruit I get.. finished too late for photos tolday.. sowed broad beans to shade the bases of the new trees.. There is more reorganisation yet.. I’ll hack my granny smith soon and do some grafts too. The Persimmon is hacked.. I’ll graft a couple of different varieties on that too this season. I’ve still got figs and citrus to sort but I’ll just take fig cuttings and start them again.. clear them away from the citrus

———————————
good – i’m enjoying this already

- my fig is about to be pruned to a leader and a diagonal

what about mulberry cuttings are they viable?

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

ie; orientation to the sun?

well occident is actually what I refer to

did you have an occident with the tree? – sorry couldn’t resist.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

Well yes and no, was trying to get a “feel” for the light in your photo as we don’t have that kind of light up here except for very, very heavy cloud or equally heavy vegetation shade.

“up here”

you must be closer to the sun?

Winter sun here is quite low on the horizon. So low in fact that trees in my front yard, shade my backyard morning and afternoon but if they weren’t there my house would be a hotbox in summer.

Actually, thinking about it..^^ We have both neglected the fact of volcanic ash clouds.. a recent occurrence.

Anyway it was said I may know where to get cheap trees.. anyone want to buy some trees?

actually they look very australian in colour at least.

which is the best mulberry tree?

pepe said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

ie; orientation to the sun?

well occident is actually what I refer to

did you have an occident with the tree? – sorry couldn’t resist.

LOL! And I thought I was annoying

Mulberry cuttings are viable yes. more on them shortly.
The best mulberry is one that grows in your local climate or fits your yard then if you have enough varieties left to choose from, one that you like the taste of. Preferably all of them. A few simple varieties:
The American Hicks Red mulberry is an outsanding fancy variety producing large fruit clusters of dark bittersweet mulberries. They are sweet but also tangy by comparison to others.
The Chinese white Mulberry Morus alba is by far the sweetest. with fruits as long as your fingers and wuite thick. Fruits are completely white.
Morus alba “pendula” is a sport discovered in a Washington state nursery. It is grafted onto hicks or white mulberries grown as weeping standards and sold at 1m, 1.6 m and 2.4 m heights. a few photos of mine in my flickr.
The Black English mulberry is a true black mulberry with quite tart fruit.. A more handsome and stately tree than the Hicks.

All the trees in the above image are going to have occidents.. ;) as unless the purchaser knows which way the tree was oriented in the nursery, then it will most likely be planted the wrong orientation which will cause the sun from the occident to sear the bark during summer.

A tip from me, the buds are usually rafted onto the west side of the tree.

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

Dinetta said:

We can grow peaches up here but generally they need to be picked green ( difficult to ripen) so my Mother used to preserve them and they made wonderful tart-y desserts…

They ripened OK here when I was a kid, if the fruit fly didn’t get them first. I remember marathon bottling sessions at my aunties place. There’s something very special about the taste of home bottled peaches.

I’d say bubba is on the money as to why they were hard to ripen and had to be picked green and preserved .. the dreaded Fruit Fly maggot. If you catch them early and cook them, you don’t notice the maggots.

My uncle was keen on sprays. :(

That’s why they didn’t have ff and got nice ripe peaches.

roughbarked said:

Mulberry cuttings are viable yes. more on them shortly.
The best mulberry is one that grows in your local climate or fits your yard then if you have enough varieties left to choose from, one that you like the taste of. Preferably all of them. A few simple varieties:
The American Hicks Red mulberry is an outsanding fancy variety producing large fruit clusters of dark bittersweet mulberries. They are sweet but also tangy by comparison to others.
The Chinese white Mulberry Morus alba is by far the sweetest. with fruits as long as your fingers and wuite thick. Fruits are completely white.
Morus alba “pendula” is a sport discovered in a Washington state nursery. It is grafted onto hicks or white mulberries grown as weeping standards and sold at 1m, 1.6 m and 2.4 m heights. a few photos of mine in my flickr.
The Black English mulberry is a true black mulberry with quite tart fruit.. A more handsome and stately tree than the Hicks.

All the trees in the above image are going to have occidents.. ;) as unless the purchaser knows which way the tree was oriented in the nursery, then it will most likely be planted the wrong orientation which will cause the sun from the occident to sear the bark during summer.

A tip from me, the buds are usually rafted onto the west side of the tree.

a thorough answer thanks.
i look forward to tips on cuttings.

should have put occident in the word thread ;)

does this search work for you? http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=99559986@N00&q=Morus%20alba

roughbarked said:

should have put occident in the word thread ;)

does this search work for you? http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=99559986@N00&q=Morus%20alba

it does if the morus alba is incredibly gnarled – beaut looking tree

pepe said:

roughbarked said:

should have put occident in the word thread ;)

does this search work for you? http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=99559986@N00&q=Morus%20alba

it does if the morus alba is incredibly gnarled – beaut looking tree

A mate of mine lives in Old Byron Bay Road. He originates from here and was here for a trip back wards in time once.. I put a weeping mu;lberry in his trailer and told him to see how it grew up there.. When he planted it, all his neighbouurs dropped in to ask why he planted the tre upside down.

pepe said:

roughbarked said:

should have put occident in the word thread ;)

does this search work for you? http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=99559986@N00&q=Morus%20alba

it does if the morus alba is incredibly gnarled – beaut looking tree

my guess of occident meaning.

abnormal growth due to exposure (or not) to the sun. an example would be concentration of leaves to the north side of the tree in the southern hemisphere.

why would you graft on the west side though? normally the west gets the worst battering from wind and sun.

roughbarked said:

pepe said:

roughbarked said:

should have put occident in the word thread ;)

does this search work for you? http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=99559986@N00&q=Morus%20alba

it does if the morus alba is incredibly gnarled – beaut looking tree

A mate of mine lives in Old Byron Bay Road. He originates from here and was here for a trip back wards in time once.. I put a weeping mu;lberry in his trailer and told him to see how it grew up there.. When he planted it, all his neighbouurs dropped in to ask why he planted the tre upside down.

chuckle – it looks like roots sure enuff.

pepe said:

pepe said:

roughbarked said:

should have put occident in the word thread ;)

does this search work for you? http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=99559986@N00&q=Morus%20alba

it does if the morus alba is incredibly gnarled – beaut looking tree

my guess of occident meaning.

abnormal growth due to exposure (or not) to the sun. an example would be concentration of leaves to the north side of the tree in the southern hemisphere.

why would you graft on the west side though? normally the west gets the worst battering from wind and sun.

• orient = East
• occident = West
• to orient properly is no occident.. er accident.. ;)
• to orient poorly will result in scorched bark which will severely restrict the development of the tree and in most instances will cause the eventual death of the tree. Care should also be taken when pruning trees to avoid this occurring.

grafting is usually carried out on the west side if rows are north south in the nursery, which is normally the case. Buds placed on the east side are prone to:
• leaning away from the rootstock
• being weaker and may fall off
• just don’t develop as well

Buds placed on the west are:
• strengthened by the wind
• stand up straight
• develop strongly.

North side is fine but the nursery rows would be east west which tends to shade the row behind it.

my guess of occident meaning.
abnormal growth due to exposure (or not) to the sun. an example would be concentration of leaves to the north side of the tree in the southern hemisphere.
why would you graft on the west side though? normally the west gets the worst battering from wind and sun.

—————
you were only using it as the counter to orientation weren’t you?

orientation does mean ‘alignment’ i think.

The yard might be green but I live in a dust bowl.
Some call it the food bowl but they get their water for a fraction of the price I pay and they still turn the place to dust..

pepe said:

my guess of occident meaning.
abnormal growth due to exposure (or not) to the sun. an example would be concentration of leaves to the north side of the tree in the southern hemisphere.
why would you graft on the west side though? normally the west gets the worst battering from wind and sun.

—————
you were only using it as the counter to orientation weren’t you?

orientation does mean ‘alignment’ i think.

Yes, I started the joke and you turened it into an accident. ;) To orient is to place in alignment yes.. orientation refers to several forms of alignment all of which would most likely be that you knew where East actually was, from where you were standing.

roughbarked said:

All the trees in the above image are going to have occidents.. ;) as unless the purchaser knows which way the tree was oriented in the nursery, then it will most likely be planted the wrong orientation which will cause the sun from the occident to sear the bark during summer.

if you don’t know its occident, could you limewash the tree for its first summer to protect it from sunburn?

learning heaps in this thread :D :D

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

Well yes and no, was trying to get a “feel” for the light in your photo as we don’t have that kind of light up here except for very, very heavy cloud or equally heavy vegetation shade.

“up here”

you must be closer to the sun?

Winter sun here is quite low on the horizon. So low in fact that trees in my front yard, shade my backyard morning and afternoon but if they weren’t there my house would be a hotbox in summer.

Actually, thinking about it..^^ We have both neglected the fact of volcanic ash clouds.. a recent occurrence.

Anyway it was said I may know where to get cheap trees.. anyone want to buy some trees?

shadow arm in shot

the rough place on the bark

………..

is that the same as the rough end of a stick lol

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

All the trees in the above image are going to have occidents.. ;) as unless the purchaser knows which way the tree was oriented in the nursery, then it will most likely be planted the wrong orientation which will cause the sun from the occident to sear the bark during summer.

if you don’t know its occident, could you limewash the tree for its first summer to protect it from sunburn?

Yes, a lot of people do that, many use foil tree guards which is also useful to prevent hares from chewing the bark. I prefer milk cartons because they are free when the milk is used, they biodegrade without any help..

Any person with an eye for it can see which side of the tree has been facing the sun. The bark is thicker and more colourful.

pepe said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

“up here”

you must be closer to the sun?

Winter sun here is quite low on the horizon. So low in fact that trees in my front yard, shade my backyard morning and afternoon but if they weren’t there my house would be a hotbox in summer.

Actually, thinking about it..^^ We have both neglected the fact of volcanic ash clouds.. a recent occurrence.

Anyway it was said I may know where to get cheap trees.. anyone want to buy some trees?

actually they look very australian in colour at least.

which is the best mulberry tree?

2nd on the left and the 33rd one in…

pain master said:

shadow arm in shot

Couldn’t really avoid it. Tried to hide behind the shed but I’d have missed much of the shot. As it was, it was a hurried shot. Only took the one as there was no point me wasting time staying there.

roughbarked said:

Mulberry cuttings are viable yes. more on them shortly.
The best mulberry is one that grows in your local climate or fits your yard then if you have enough varieties left to choose from, one that you like the taste of. Preferably all of them. A few simple varieties:
The American Hicks Red mulberry is an outsanding fancy variety producing large fruit clusters of dark bittersweet mulberries. They are sweet but also tangy by comparison to others.
The Chinese white Mulberry Morus alba is by far the sweetest. with fruits as long as your fingers and wuite thick. Fruits are completely white.
Morus alba “pendula” is a sport discovered in a Washington state nursery. It is grafted onto hicks or white mulberries grown as weeping standards and sold at 1m, 1.6 m and 2.4 m heights. a few photos of mine in my flickr.
The Black English mulberry is a true black mulberry with quite tart fruit.. A more handsome and stately tree than the Hicks.

All the trees in the above image are going to have occidents.. ;) as unless the purchaser knows which way the tree was oriented in the nursery, then it will most likely be planted the wrong orientation which will cause the sun from the occident to sear the bark during summer.

A tip from me, the buds are usually rafted onto the west side of the tree.

good tip

pain master said:

pepe said:

roughbarked said:

Actually, thinking about it..^^ We have both neglected the fact of volcanic ash clouds.. a recent occurrence.

Anyway it was said I may know where to get cheap trees.. anyone want to buy some trees?

actually they look very australian in colour at least.

which is the best mulberry tree?

2nd on the left and the 33rd one in…

Actually.. right at the front on the right are Hicks mulberry.

roughbarked said:

The yard might be green but I live in a dust bowl.
Some call it the food bowl but they get their water for a fraction of the price I pay and they still turn the place to dust..

rain gauge could be raised a tad.

Thee’s Estate said:

the rough place on the bark

………..

is that the same as the rough end of a stick lol

It is the blunt end of the stick, which makes me a bit of a blunt tool.

pain master said:

roughbarked said:

The yard might be green but I live in a dust bowl.
Some call it the food bowl but they get their water for a fraction of the price I pay and they still turn the place to dust..

rain gauge could be raised a tad.

I’ve got two. One on the clothesline @ 2.4 m high and the one you see there. They consistently measure 1 mm difference.

roughbarked said:

Thee’s Estate said:

the rough place on the bark

………..

is that the same as the rough end of a stick lol

It is the blunt end of the stick, which makes me a bit of a blunt tool.

it’d be the rough end of a pineapple.

roughbarked said:

pain master said:

roughbarked said:

The yard might be green but I live in a dust bowl.
Some call it the food bowl but they get their water for a fraction of the price I pay and they still turn the place to dust..

rain gauge could be raised a tad.

I’ve got two. One on the clothesline @ 2.4 m high and the one you see there. They consistently measure 1 mm difference.

the one on the clothesline is consistently less?

roughbarked said:

pain master said:

roughbarked said:

The yard might be green but I live in a dust bowl.
Some call it the food bowl but they get their water for a fraction of the price I pay and they still turn the place to dust..

rain gauge could be raised a tad.

I’ve got two. One on the clothesline @ 2.4 m high and the one you see there. They consistently measure 1 mm difference.

and how do you read it 2.4m up?

Well, not sure if I told you but the other day the ANBG asked me if I knew anyone growing quandongs.. I said, “yes, me”.
I found six still in the germinating bags transplanted them into milk cartons with small monkey flower as host. Put another 35 seeds in the bags.

pain master said:

roughbarked said:

pain master said:

rain gauge could be raised a tad.

I’ve got two. One on the clothesline @ 2.4 m high and the one you see there. They consistently measure 1 mm difference.

the one on the clothesline is consistently less?

Strangely enough yes. Presumably dew has somewhat to do with it.

pain master said:

roughbarked said:

pain master said:

rain gauge could be raised a tad.

I’ve got two. One on the clothesline @ 2.4 m high and the one you see there. They consistently measure 1 mm difference.

and how do you read it 2.4m up?

I reach up, take it out of the slot and bring it to eye level. Read, empty, reach up, put back. Good enough? ;)

roughbarked said:

pain master said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve got two. One on the clothesline @ 2.4 m high and the one you see there. They consistently measure 1 mm difference.

the one on the clothesline is consistently less?

Strangely enough yes. Presumably dew has somewhat to do with it.

the one close to the ground will also get a bit of splash from heavy downpours.

roughbarked said:

pain master said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve got two. One on the clothesline @ 2.4 m high and the one you see there. They consistently measure 1 mm difference.

and how do you read it 2.4m up?

I reach up, take it out of the slot and bring it to eye level. Read, empty, reach up, put back. Good enough? ;)

fair enough.

In 30 years monitoring this site I’ve never seen splash big enough to jump into the rain guage other than the once when we had 7.5 inches in 20 minutes.
In most years we are flat out getting that all year.

roughbarked said:

Thee’s Estate said:

the rough place on the bark

………..

is that the same as the rough end of a stick lol

It is the blunt end of the stick, which makes me a bit of a blunt tool.

loolol, as long as your not a called a ‘tool’ lol

roughbarked said:

should have put occident in the word thread ;)

does this search work for you? http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=99559986@N00&q=Morus%20alba

Yeps, works for me…haven’t a clue what I’m looking at, are the flowers hollyhocks?

pepe said:

pepe said:

roughbarked said:

should have put occident in the word thread ;)

does this search work for you? http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=99559986@N00&q=Morus%20alba

it does if the morus alba is incredibly gnarled – beaut looking tree

my guess of occident meaning.

abnormal growth due to exposure (or not) to the sun. an example would be concentration of leaves to the north side of the tree in the southern hemisphere.

why would you graft on the west side though? normally the west gets the worst battering from wind and sun.

I thought occident was the opposite of orient…

Well I suppose, thingking about it just now, the orient = the east, so yep, occident would = west…

roughbarked said:

The yard might be green but I live in a dust bowl.
Some call it the food bowl but they get their water for a fraction of the price I pay and they still turn the place to dust..

That looks beaut…what is the grey vegetation to the left of the photo a bit, somewhat in the foreground…

roughbarked said:

In 30 years monitoring this site I’ve never seen splash big enough to jump into the rain guage other than the once when we had 7.5 inches in 20 minutes.
In most years we are flat out getting that all year.

we often get splash, and it is recommended not to have gauges at ground level for this reason. One metre above ground level is preferred.

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

should have put occident in the word thread ;)

does this search work for you? http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=99559986@N00&q=Morus%20alba

Yeps, works for me…haven’t a clue what I’m looking at, are the flowers hollyhocks?

OK I’ll try and explain. the big weeper is the mulberry. The tree next to it is a persimmon. The flowers are larkspur which grow gratis on the site if I am fallowing it. I usually weed most of them if something is growing there. As the notes on the image say if you read the actual Flickr page by clicking on the image, the dead patch is where the garlic has fallen over.. The bucket and the Coopers box are probably something to do with the time I was weeding and found several quandongs growing.. by accident.. er; yes I weeded them out before I saw them and attempted to replant them unsuccessfully. More came up there the next year but the slaters ringbarked them at the base.

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

The yard might be green but I live in a dust bowl.
Some call it the food bowl but they get their water for a fraction of the price I pay and they still turn the place to dust..

That looks beaut…what is the grey vegetation to the left of the photo a bit, somewhat in the foreground…

left foreground would be capsicum middle left is perennial broccoli before it got a prune(probably after setting seed)

roughbarked said:

left foreground would be capsicum middle left is perennial broccoli before it got a prune(probably after setting seed)

Never heard of perennial broccoli…the main garden is behind the trees?

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

does this search work for you? http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=99559986@N00&q=Morus%20alba

Yeps, works for me…haven’t a clue what I’m looking at, are the flowers hollyhocks?

It looks a veritable haven for bugs and birds and “things”…

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

left foreground would be capsicum middle left is perennial broccoli before it got a prune(probably after setting seed)

Never heard of perennial broccoli…the main garden is behind the trees?

It is easy, you just leave the plant in the ground. If you haven’t got the club root problem in your soil then they will continue to grow. I also snap cuttings off and just poke them in. They keep on growing too.

Dinetta said:

the main garden is behind the trees?

The main garden stretches from my front nature strip(my nature strip is a nature strip) to way down along the backs of the rest of my street.

I was asked about what was growing on the stakes in the photo..

roughbarked said:

I was asked about what was growing on the stakes in the photo..

As beans go, they look high protein and very storable…

…and the wood that the bean is on?

Dinetta said:

As beans go, they look high protein and very storable…

…and the wood that the bean is on?

ah, you haven’t been in my stumpy stuff set. The wood is plumcot. I’ll slice it up for wall clocks, the thicker stuff.

The borlotti bean probably needs no introuction but the soldier bean is little known outside the kitchens of Immigrants from the Mediterranean region.
These beans can be eaten as green beans but they are a bit tough unless picked very small. However as matured seeds they make the most wonderful pasta and beans combo of all. They are a rich creamy tasting bean.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

As beans go, they look high protein and very storable…

…and the wood that the bean is on?

ah, you haven’t been in my stumpy stuff set. The wood is plumcot. I’ll slice it up for wall clocks, the thicker stuff.

The borlotti bean probably needs no introuction but the soldier bean is little known outside the kitchens of Immigrants from the Mediterranean region.
These beans can be eaten as green beans but they are a bit tough unless picked very small. However as matured seeds they make the most wonderful pasta and beans combo of all. They are a rich creamy tasting bean.

Gee whiz, that’s quite the sales pitch lol!

Dinetta said:

Gee whiz, that’s quite the sales pitch lol!

Ca’t help myself. If you get this pasta fasoulu with the soldier beans, done by a good Calabrese mama, then you are in for a tatse treat that you’ll never forget.

gotta proof read my typos ..

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

Gee whiz, that’s quite the sales pitch lol!

Ca’t help myself. If you get this pasta fasoulu with the soldier beans, done by a good Calabrese mama, then you are in for a tatse treat that you’ll never forget.

So now I have to track me down a good Calabrese mama, and I’m set…thanks for the heads-up RoughBarked!! :P

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

Gee whiz, that’s quite the sales pitch lol!

Ca’t help myself. If you get this pasta fasoulu with the soldier beans, done by a good Calabrese mama, then you are in for a tatse treat that you’ll never forget.

So now I have to track me down a good Calabrese mama, and I’m set…thanks for the heads-up RoughBarked!! :P

Oh yes, and grow me some soldier beans first…

Dinetta said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Ca’t help myself. If you get this pasta fasoulu with the soldier beans, done by a good Calabrese mama, then you are in for a tatse treat that you’ll never forget.

So now I have to track me down a good Calabrese mama, and I’m set…thanks for the heads-up RoughBarked!! :P

Oh yes, and grow me some soldier beans first…

My Dutch neighbour has been looking for a bean they eat in Holland. It’s a wide flat green bean that they cook until it’s very soft and she assures me it’s delicious. She showed be a picture and it looks, to me, to be what they sell here as an Italian Flat Bean. I’ve meant to try some for a while now and this just reminded me.

bubba louie said:

Dinetta said:

Dinetta said:

So now I have to track me down a good Calabrese mama, and I’m set…thanks for the heads-up RoughBarked!! :P

Oh yes, and grow me some soldier beans first…

My Dutch neighbour has been looking for a bean they eat in Holland. It’s a wide flat green bean that they cook until it’s very soft and she assures me it’s delicious. She showed be a picture and it looks, to me, to be what they sell here as an Italian Flat Bean. I’ve meant to try some for a while now and this just reminded me.

You can get them in most delicatessans or look around a few.

I’ve got me this long ball of green string see? knit one purl two. ;)

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

Dinetta said:

Oh yes, and grow me some soldier beans first…

My Dutch neighbour has been looking for a bean they eat in Holland. It’s a wide flat green bean that they cook until it’s very soft and she assures me it’s delicious. She showed be a picture and it looks, to me, to be what they sell here as an Italian Flat Bean. I’ve meant to try some for a while now and this just reminded me.

You can get them in most delicatessans or look around a few.

They aren’t a dried bean they’re just like a wide flat fresh green bean. One of the upmarket green grocers here does sometimes get the ones I think they are but they’re expensive.

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

My Dutch neighbour has been looking for a bean they eat in Holland. It’s a wide flat green bean that they cook until it’s very soft and she assures me it’s delicious. She showed be a picture and it looks, to me, to be what they sell here as an Italian Flat Bean. I’ve meant to try some for a while now and this just reminded me.

You can get them in most delicatessans or look around a few.

They aren’t a dried bean they’re just like a wide flat fresh green bean. One of the upmarket green grocers here does sometimes get the ones I think they are but they’re expensive.

Fagalinni

roughbarked said:

Fagalinni

faj-a-lin-ni flat green beans, containing usually the ones I mentioned above.. when they mature.

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

You can get them in most delicatessans or look around a few.

They aren’t a dried bean they’re just like a wide flat fresh green bean. One of the upmarket green grocers here does sometimes get the ones I think they are but they’re expensive.

Fagalinni

Doesn’t look like it.

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

bubba louie said:

They aren’t a dried bean they’re just like a wide flat fresh green bean. One of the upmarket green grocers here does sometimes get the ones I think they are but they’re expensive.

Fagalinni

Doesn’t look like it.

Plus that name doesn’t show up at all.

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

Fagalinni

Doesn’t look like it.

Plus that name doesn’t show up at all.

hmm. my spelling may be out of whack, I pick these things up from people I work with by ear .. the name is the same in several languages, it means green beans.

This was the day before I did the knit one purl two.. had to wait because a frost intervened. Pea plants cannot be worked with when it is too cold.

These are the replacement trees:

You will note that I oriented the trees occidentally ;)

To get some scale, the sawn off apricot and plumcot are greater than two feet (60cm) in diameter. They are also approx 4 m apart as the crow flies.
The new trees are slightly closer together and I hope to train them into submission in staying smaller in stature. The bloke from across the road who regularly visits said, “you know that though I’ve stood here before, I have never seen this corner of your yard before”

to which I replied, reminds me of the time my mother when she was alive said, “oh good, you’ve cleaned up, I can see all the way to your back fence”.

roughbarked said:

This was the day before I did the knit one purl two.. had to wait because a frost intervened. Pea plants cannot be worked with when it is too cold.

These are the replacement trees:

Beaut looking soil there, RoughBarked…

roughbarked said:

You will note that I oriented the trees occidentally ;)

Yeh, kind of hit me in the eye…(you did?)

I did? ;)

um If you right click on the first of those two photos you’ll be able to click on another link which willl tell the story aboout how my white calcerous clay containing nothing but calcrete once you dig a hole, got to be the colour and texture it is now.

roughbarked said:

You will note that I oriented the trees occidentally ;)

ha ha!

bit of a oxymoron there surely?

bubba louie said:

bubba louie said:

roughbarked said:

Fagalinni

Doesn’t look like it.

Plus that name doesn’t show up at all.

I found a bean today. Giant Marrowfat Pea… Ooops, itsa pea, sorry ‘bout that.

I’ve been multi-grafting the new trees.

by right clicking the link you should be able to see other shots

roughbarked said:

I’ve been multi-grafting the new trees.

by right clicking the link you should be able to see other shots

I had a look at them. Maybe one day I’ll have a go at some of this.

roughbarked said:

I’ve been multi-grafting the new trees.

by right clicking the link you should be able to see other shots

Nice!!

This shot is of an old variety of plum which appears to me to be one of the Damson hybrids. Grafted onto the Fantasia nectarine along with Elberta peach, Pullar peach, Peacherine, Mariposa plum, Goldmine nectarine, Red Haven peach, Coronet peach. So that is a multigrafted tree.

roughbarked said:

I’ve been multi-grafting the new trees.

by right clicking the link you should be able to see other shots

Fantastic photo, thanks RB.

I don’t have FaceBook but I do have Flickr ;)

love the parsley shot!

bluegreen said:

love the parsley shot!

bbut, ii wwas sshivvering .. at the time. ;)

it wa -2 on the thermometer..

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

love the parsley shot!

bbut, ii wwas sshivvering .. at the time. ;)

bet you were! lol!

roughbarked said:

I don’t have FaceBook but I do have Flickr ;)

That frost is stunning.

roughbarked said:

I don’t have FaceBook but I do have Flickr ;)

Beautiful frosting on the strawb leaf.

bluegreen said:

love the parsley shot!

Oops. The power of suggestion at work again. I can see it’s not a strawb leaf now.

pomolo said:

bluegreen said:

love the parsley shot!

Oops. The power of suggestion at work again. I can see it’s not a strawb leaf now.

Yes, I thought it was a strawb leaf for the same reason…

Here ‘tis RB.
I was bored waiting for the last of my cooking to cool so I could fridge it, so found it.

Happy Potter said:

Here ‘tis RB.
I was bored waiting for the last of my cooking to cool so I could fridge it, so found it.

Yay!

gawd I can waffle.. ;)

Yesterday evening I noticed that faher sparrowhawk brought her a feed and she came out onto the dead tree they use for this purpose. He immediately tried to jump her but she shrugged him off and headed back to the nest without the food. I could almost hear her saying, “no you get nothing at all until you bring me something decent to eat”

Yes I am loath to cut down this dead tree because it is the dining and sleeping area, not to mention the place for sex romps..

roughbarked said:

gawd I can waffle.. ;)

Yeah. giggles

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

gawd I can waffle.. ;)

Yeah. giggles

the good part is that you admit giggling ;)

♫Duquesne Whistle | Bob Dylan | Tempest♪♩

roughbarked said:

Yes I am loath to cut down this dead tree because it is the dining and sleeping area, not to mention the place for sex romps..

dead trees are a very important part of infrastructure for Australia’s wildlife so, unless it is a hazard to yourself or your house, I would leave it.

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

Yes I am loath to cut down this dead tree because it is the dining and sleeping area, not to mention the place for sex romps..

dead trees are a very important part of infrastructure for Australia’s wildlife so, unless it is a hazard to yourself or your house, I would leave it.

It is my tree, they all are. I can do with it what I want.
I’ll cut them or leave them be
I planted them there and the crown will tell me that unless I manage the site.. They will, with bulldozers.

In the case of this tree. The excuse is bigger than a couple of lizards.

roughbarked said:

Yes I am loath to cut down this dead tree because it is the dining and sleeping area, not to mention the place for sex romps..

they’ve been attacking my chook. :(

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

Yes I am loath to cut down this dead tree because it is the dining and sleeping area, not to mention the place for sex romps..

they’ve been attacking my chook. :(

You sure?.. Not sparrowhawks surely..

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

Yes I am loath to cut down this dead tree because it is the dining and sleeping area, not to mention the place for sex romps..

they’ve been attacking my chook. :(

You sure?.. Not sparrowhawks surely..

It might be a swamp harrier…

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

they’ve been attacking my chook. :(

You sure?.. Not sparrowhawks surely..

It might be a swamp harrier…

Yes I’d believe it of swamp harrier but they look different and are larger birds.

Bump, for RB and significant others. Right click anywhere on this main page and save to favourites or bookmark it, whatever you browser does.

Happy Potter said:

Bump, for RB and significant others. Right click anywhere on this main page and save to favourites or bookmark it, whatever you browser does.

Ah. ta. ;)

Oh goody!

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

Bump, for RB and significant others. Right click anywhere on this main page and save to favourites or bookmark it, whatever you browser does.

Ah. ta. ;)

You’re welcome! to scroll back by time is sheer murder, but easy to scroll back by topic.

I’m whiling away time watching silkie eggs hatch crack by crack and listening to the cheeping chicks.

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

Bump, for RB and significant others. Right click anywhere on this main page and save to favourites or bookmark it, whatever you browser does.

Ah. ta. ;)

You’re welcome! to scroll back by time is sheer murder, but easy to scroll back by topic.

I’m whiling away time watching silkie eggs hatch crack by crack and listening to the cheeping chicks.

speaking of cracking eggs, I think by the looks of it that she’s tearing up the meals he’s bringing and feeding them to chicks.

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Ah. ta. ;)

You’re welcome! to scroll back by time is sheer murder, but easy to scroll back by topic.

I’m whiling away time watching silkie eggs hatch crack by crack and listening to the cheeping chicks.

speaking of cracking eggs, I think by the looks of it that she’s tearing up the meals he’s bringing and feeding them to chicks.

Oh, gorgeous photo! all those beautiful colours of nature

Yes when I planted that tree it was only 20 mm tall. Now it is 20 odd metres. I’d love to be able to set up a sparrowhawk cam above it.

roughbarked said:

Yes when I planted that tree it was only 20 mm tall. Now it is 20 odd metres. I’d love to be able to set up a sparrowhawk cam above it.

I find it really special being able to live in harmony with the local wildlife.

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

Yes when I planted that tree it was only 20 mm tall. Now it is 20 odd metres. I’d love to be able to set up a sparrowhawk cam above it.

I find it really special being able to live in harmony with the local wildlife.

I can’t afford a litre of milk but my lifestyle is worth millions.

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

Yes when I planted that tree it was only 20 mm tall. Now it is 20 odd metres. I’d love to be able to set up a sparrowhawk cam above it.

I find it really special being able to live in harmony with the local wildlife.

I can’t afford a litre of milk but my lifestyle is worth millions.

hold onto that. I feel the same here. I am probably a bit better off than you but am still penniless, but thank God daily for what I have here.

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

Ah. ta. ;)

You’re welcome! to scroll back by time is sheer murder, but easy to scroll back by topic.

I’m whiling away time watching silkie eggs hatch crack by crack and listening to the cheeping chicks.

speaking of cracking eggs, I think by the looks of it that she’s tearing up the meals he’s bringing and feeding them to chicks.

Gorgeous Silky Oak.

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

Happy Potter said:

You’re welcome! to scroll back by time is sheer murder, but easy to scroll back by topic.

I’m whiling away time watching silkie eggs hatch crack by crack and listening to the cheeping chicks.

speaking of cracking eggs, I think by the looks of it that she’s tearing up the meals he’s bringing and feeding them to chicks.

Gorgeous Silky Oak.

are there purple flowers in that photo?

justin said:

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

speaking of cracking eggs, I think by the looks of it that she’s tearing up the meals he’s bringing and feeding them to chicks.

Gorgeous Silky Oak.

are there purple flowers in that photo?

not that I can see… you can see bokeh in this shot which has blended the blue sky with the orange flowers which funnily enough will produce some purple ‘blur’

painmaster said:

justin said:

painmaster said:

Gorgeous Silky Oak.

are there purple flowers in that photo?

not that I can see… you can see bokeh in this shot which has blended the blue sky with the orange flowers which funnily enough will produce some purple ‘blur’

OK – for a minute there i was seeing purple….

justin said:

painmaster said:

justin said:

are there purple flowers in that photo?

not that I can see… you can see bokeh in this shot which has blended the blue sky with the orange flowers which funnily enough will produce some purple ‘blur’

OK – for a minute there i was seeing purple….

you were.

justin said:

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

speaking of cracking eggs, I think by the looks of it that she’s tearing up the meals he’s bringing and feeding them to chicks.

Gorgeous Silky Oak.

are there purple flowers in that photo?

No it is perhaps low light areas and lossy jpg. The colours should be orange flowers green leaves and blue sky with the addition of dark wood and yes a sparrowhawk under tail.

Some of you have expressed an interest in learning how to bud .. Now I don’t do it this way at all. I’ve tried to figure out why Americans do it upside down but the best answer I can give is that they are doing their grafts on potted rootstocks. http://scvrs.homestead.com/BuddingUltimate.html

painmaster said:

justin said:

painmaster said:

Gorgeous Silky Oak.

are there purple flowers in that photo?

not that I can see… you can see bokeh in this shot which has blended the blue sky with the orange flowers which funnily enough will produce some purple ‘blur’

yellow and purple are complimentary colours – i don’t remember any previous bokeh (background noise/fuzz?) examples changing colours
- i had better revise my bokeh knowledge. bbs.

justin said:

painmaster said:

justin said:

are there purple flowers in that photo?

not that I can see… you can see bokeh in this shot which has blended the blue sky with the orange flowers which funnily enough will produce some purple ‘blur’

yellow and purple are complimentary colours – i don’t remember any previous bokeh (background noise/fuzz?) examples changing colours
- i had better revise my bokeh knowledge. bbs.

purple fringing? I didn’t look closely to see.

So – in praise of RB continues here.
I have just finished pruning the imperial mandarin and a classic RB cryptic comment went thru’ my head.
- one that i’ve since used a couple times myself.

Question : – if citrus trees have got flowers, small fruit, medium fruit and ripe fruit on them, all at the same time, then how can you prune without removing next year’s fruit ?

RB’s answer : – do you want a hundred good fruit or three hundred ordinary fruit?

justin said:

So – in praise of RB continues here.
I have just finished pruning the imperial mandarin and a classic RB cryptic comment went thru’ my head.
- one that i’ve since used a couple times myself.

Question : – if citrus trees have got flowers, small fruit, medium fruit and ripe fruit on them, all at the same time, then how can you prune without removing next year’s fruit ?

RB’s answer : – do you want a hundred good fruit or three hundred ordinary fruit?

It is common sense, really. ;)

roughbarked said:

justin said:

So – in praise of RB continues here.
I have just finished pruning the imperial mandarin and a classic RB cryptic comment went thru’ my head.
- one that i’ve since used a couple times myself.

Question : – if citrus trees have got flowers, small fruit, medium fruit and ripe fruit on them, all at the same time, then how can you prune without removing next year’s fruit ?

RB’s answer : – do you want a hundred good fruit or three hundred ordinary fruit?

It is common sense, really. ;)

many people give up pruning because they can’t work out the answer for themselves.
it’s a very liberating piece of knowledge really.

justin said:

roughbarked said:

justin said:

So – in praise of RB continues here.
I have just finished pruning the imperial mandarin and a classic RB cryptic comment went thru’ my head.
- one that i’ve since used a couple times myself.

Question : – if citrus trees have got flowers, small fruit, medium fruit and ripe fruit on them, all at the same time, then how can you prune without removing next year’s fruit ?

RB’s answer : – do you want a hundred good fruit or three hundred ordinary fruit?

It is common sense, really. ;)

many people give up pruning because they can’t work out the answer for themselves.
it’s a very liberating piece of knowledge really.

I had to re-read my own comment to seek what you found but on reflection, I believe you hit the nail on the head. ;)

roughbarked said:

justin said:

roughbarked said:

It is common sense, really. ;)

many people give up pruning because they can’t work out the answer for themselves.
it’s a very liberating piece of knowledge really.

I had to re-read my own comment to seek what you found but on reflection, I believe you hit the nail on the head. ;)

i’m half way thru’ pruning my lisbon lemon now and i keep telling myself that’s it’s alright to remove much of the fruit.
common sense tells me it is good to leave it all on – but in this case common sense is nonsense and knowledge is very empowering.

it wasn’t you but another forumite said – “hygiene is very important – clean up all fallen fruit immediately” very true – and not obviously to me who often leaves the waste on the ground to rot.

justin said:

roughbarked said:

justin said:

many people give up pruning because they can’t work out the answer for themselves.
it’s a very liberating piece of knowledge really.

I had to re-read my own comment to seek what you found but on reflection, I believe you hit the nail on the head. ;)

i’m half way thru’ pruning my lisbon lemon now and i keep telling myself that’s it’s alright to remove much of the fruit.
common sense tells me it is good to leave it all on – but in this case common sense is nonsense and knowledge is very empowering.

it wasn’t you but another forumite said – “hygiene is very important – clean up all fallen fruit immediately” very true – and not obviously to me who often leaves the waste on the ground to rot.

fruit fly infestations remove all shadow of doubt

roughbarked said:

justin said:

roughbarked said:

I had to re-read my own comment to seek what you found but on reflection, I believe you hit the nail on the head. ;)

i’m half way thru’ pruning my lisbon lemon now and i keep telling myself that’s it’s alright to remove much of the fruit.
common sense tells me it is good to leave it all on – but in this case common sense is nonsense and knowledge is very empowering.

it wasn’t you but another forumite said – “hygiene is very important – clean up all fallen fruit immediately” very true – and not obviously to me who often leaves the waste on the ground to rot.

fruit fly infestations remove all shadow of doubt

we don’t have f’fly yet – but i don’t doubt they would demand thorough hygiene.

grass blue caught on take-off.

roughbarked said:

grass blue caught on take-off.

mmmm..noice!! (very, very…)

roughbarked said:

grass blue caught on take-off.

removing my tongue from my cheek I would be inclined to say “wish my camera worked this well” but it is 3am and not the best time for cheekiness, so i will refrain. ;)

Great shot Mr Roughy Sir.

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

grass blue caught on take-off.

removing my tongue from my cheek I would be inclined to say “wish my camera worked this well” but it is 3am and not the best time for cheekiness, so i will refrain. ;)

Great shot Mr Roughy Sir.

Sometimes I get lucky ;)

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

grass blue caught on take-off.

removing my tongue from my cheek I would be inclined to say “wish my camera worked this well” but it is 3am and not the best time for cheekiness, so i will refrain. ;)

Great shot Mr Roughy Sir.

Sometimes I get lucky ;)

Of course, we must remember that I am physically limited from using any of the smart tecnology modern digital lenses provide. Which means it is all guesswork from a batch of grey matter that has been involved in taking a lot of photos. There is no flash used in any of my digital photos and few of my film photos. The choice of shutter speed and aperture is done mentally as the light changes.. I rarely perfect it with the one shot.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

removing my tongue from my cheek I would be inclined to say “wish my camera worked this well” but it is 3am and not the best time for cheekiness, so i will refrain. ;)

Great shot Mr Roughy Sir.

Sometimes I get lucky ;)

Of course, we must remember that I am physically limited from using any of the smart tecnology modern digital lenses provide. Which means it is all guesswork from a batch of grey matter that has been involved in taking a lot of photos. There is no flash used in any of my digital photos and few of my film photos. The choice of shutter speed and aperture is done mentally as the light changes.. I rarely perfect it with the one shot.

you trying to tell me that you had multiple opportunities here?

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Sometimes I get lucky ;)

Of course, we must remember that I am physically limited from using any of the smart tecnology modern digital lenses provide. Which means it is all guesswork from a batch of grey matter that has been involved in taking a lot of photos. There is no flash used in any of my digital photos and few of my film photos. The choice of shutter speed and aperture is done mentally as the light changes.. I rarely perfect it with the one shot.

you trying to tell me that you had multiple opportunities here?

;) no

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

removing my tongue from my cheek I would be inclined to say “wish my camera worked this well” but it is 3am and not the best time for cheekiness, so i will refrain. ;)

Great shot Mr Roughy Sir.

Sometimes I get lucky ;)

Of course, we must remember that I am physically limited from using any of the smart tecnology modern digital lenses provide. Which means it is all guesswork from a batch of grey matter that has been involved in taking a lot of photos. There is no flash used in any of my digital photos and few of my film photos. The choice of shutter speed and aperture is done mentally as the light changes.. I rarely perfect it with the one shot.

a moth? took me a while to appreciate the colour scheme but i like it now

justin said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Sometimes I get lucky ;)

Of course, we must remember that I am physically limited from using any of the smart tecnology modern digital lenses provide. Which means it is all guesswork from a batch of grey matter that has been involved in taking a lot of photos. There is no flash used in any of my digital photos and few of my film photos. The choice of shutter speed and aperture is done mentally as the light changes.. I rarely perfect it with the one shot.

a moth? took me a while to appreciate the colour scheme but i like it now

Butterflies have clubbed antennae. Moths have feathery ones.

same butterfly, different settings. In this the antennae can be seen.

same butterfly, different settings. In this the antennae can be seen.

—————————-

butterflies then – clubbed antennae
confusing because they are wooly like moths and subdued hues like moths.
nice shots.

justin said:

same butterfly, different settings. In this the antennae can be seen.

—————————-

nice shots.

They are, aren’t they…

roughbarked said:

same butterfly, different settings. In this the antennae can be seen.

Into porn now eh? lol

pomolo said:

Into porn now eh? lol

Well that’s sometimes the longest they sit still. ;)

roughbarked said:

pomolo said:

Into porn now eh? lol

Well that’s sometimes the longest they sit still. ;)

LOLOLOL! Good one! … chuckles some more…

Maybe these should all be here?

lovely :)

bluegreen said:

lovely :)

:) thanks. I’m not out to win photography contests. My aim is to try and show people what they would otherwise perhaps not notice.

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

lovely :)

:) thanks. I’m not out to win photography contests. My aim is to try and show people what they would otherwise perhaps not notice.

I think you do that :)

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

lovely :)

:) thanks. I’m not out to win photography contests. My aim is to try and show people what they would otherwise perhaps not notice.

I think you do that :)

:) thanks
Can you see what is hiding where, in this shot?

Hint.. it was also in one of the other shots just posted.

roughbarked said:

Can you see what is hiding where, in this shot?

I can see some spider legs wrapped around a Dianella berry :)

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

Can you see what is hiding where, in this shot?

I can see some spider legs wrapped around a Dianella berry :)

top marks. :)

I went back a bit later in the day when the sun was stronger and found more than 120 flower spikes open.

Best year I’ve ever seen for them

I tried to grow some once. Didn’t happen for me. Are these ones you planted, or are they wild at your place?

bluegreen said:

I tried to grow some once. Didn’t happen for me. Are these ones you planted, or are they wild at your place?

These are remnant native vegetation. It is just a small strip that was never cleared but always rubbished and burned. So It hasn’t been burned since 1981.. because I have managed the fire risk myself.

Yes I have some planted in the garden but I doubt I’ll get flowers until next year or whenever they feel like it.

They are not easy to grow.

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

I tried to grow some once. Didn’t happen for me. Are these ones you planted, or are they wild at your place?

These are remnant native vegetation. It is just a small strip that was never cleared but always rubbished and burned. So It hasn’t been burned since 1981.. because I have managed the fire risk myself.

Yes I have some planted in the garden but I doubt I’ll get flowers until next year or whenever they feel like it.

They are not easy to grow.

cool :)

roughbarked said:

I went back a bit later in the day when the sun was stronger and found more than 120 flower spikes open.

Best year I’ve ever seen for them

Your pics are looking really good RB.

pomolo said:

roughbarked said:

I went back a bit later in the day when the sun was stronger and found more than 120 flower spikes open.

Best year I’ve ever seen for them

Your pics are looking really good RB.

Thanks :) They’d be even better if I had a lens that wasn’t worm out and could do fancy digital stuff.

Yes there are three baby sparrowhawks this year. This is the second day out of the nest. Soon they’ll fly to other trees.

roughbarked said:

Yes there are three baby sparrowhawks this year. This is the second day out of the nest. Soon they’ll fly to other trees.

how cool to capture all three (even if only the tail of one!)

They look a bit hot, like my chooks and galah.

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

Yes there are three baby sparrowhawks this year. This is the second day out of the nest. Soon they’ll fly to other trees.

how cool to capture all three (even if only the tail of one!)

They look a bit hot, like my chooks and galah.

Yes it is quite warm today. I was out bent over Poncirus trifoliata and got a sunburned face from reflection of the soil.

roughbarked said:

Yes there are three baby sparrowhawks this year. This is the second day out of the nest. Soon they’ll fly to other trees.

A successful nesting, wouldn’t you say?

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Yes there are three baby sparrowhawks this year. This is the second day out of the nest. Soon they’ll fly to other trees.

A successful nesting, wouldn’t you say?

Yes. Four is the maximum but often only one. It is apparently rare for more than one to survive a full year.

roughbarked said:

Yes there are three baby sparrowhawks this year. This is the second day out of the nest. Soon they’ll fly to other trees.

super jelly.

roughbarked said:

Yes there are three baby sparrowhawks this year. This is the second day out of the nest. Soon they’ll fly to other trees.

Wish I’d seen that/them.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Yes there are three baby sparrowhawks this year. This is the second day out of the nest. Soon they’ll fly to other trees.

A successful nesting, wouldn’t you say?

Yes. Four is the maximum but often only one. It is apparently rare for more than one to survive a full year.

I’d trade some of them for our channel billed cuckoos. Cripes they are noisy.

pomolo said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

A successful nesting, wouldn’t you say?

Yes. Four is the maximum but often only one. It is apparently rare for more than one to survive a full year.

I’d trade some of them for our channel billed cuckoos. Cripes they are noisy.

Oh I like my Channel Bills, and the noise they make.

painmaster said:

pomolo said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. Four is the maximum but often only one. It is apparently rare for more than one to survive a full year.

I’d trade some of them for our channel billed cuckoos. Cripes they are noisy.

Oh I like my Channel Bills, and the noise they make.

Sparrowhawk babes drive my wife nuts with their constant noise. But hey, Galah babes at wheat harvest.. 500 odd of them in the yellow box outside the door.

painmaster said:

pomolo said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. Four is the maximum but often only one. It is apparently rare for more than one to survive a full year.

I’d trade some of them for our channel billed cuckoos. Cripes they are noisy.

Oh I like my Channel Bills, and the noise they make.

They don’t upset me too much either but outside my bedroom at 5am can be a bit over the top. They are the most raucous we have atm. The whip bird, the pale headed rosella and the king parrots are quiet in comparison.

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

pomolo said:

I’d trade some of them for our channel billed cuckoos. Cripes they are noisy.

Oh I like my Channel Bills, and the noise they make.

Sparrowhawk babes drive my wife nuts with their constant noise. But hey, Galah babes at wheat harvest.. 500 odd of them in the yellow box outside the door.

I kinda like the galahas. They sure are fun to watch

pomolo said:

painmaster said:

pomolo said:

I’d trade some of them for our channel billed cuckoos. Cripes they are noisy.

Oh I like my Channel Bills, and the noise they make.

They don’t upset me too much either but outside my bedroom at 5am can be a bit over the top. They are the most raucous we have atm. The whip bird, the pale headed rosella and the king parrots are quiet in comparison.

imagine if you had daylight savings… you wouldn’t hear that noise until a more civilised 6am. Spent a day or two in Brisneyland last week and certainly realised how moronic the SE is by not adopting daylight savings at least in the city.

painmaster said:

pomolo said:

painmaster said:

Oh I like my Channel Bills, and the noise they make.

They don’t upset me too much either but outside my bedroom at 5am can be a bit over the top. They are the most raucous we have atm. The whip bird, the pale headed rosella and the king parrots are quiet in comparison.

imagine if you had daylight savings… you wouldn’t hear that noise until a more civilised 6am. Spent a day or two in Brisneyland last week and certainly realised how moronic the SE is by not adopting daylight savings at least in the city.

I don’t agree. But I don’t agree with a lot of people.

pomolo said:

painmaster said:

pomolo said:

They don’t upset me too much either but outside my bedroom at 5am can be a bit over the top. They are the most raucous we have atm. The whip bird, the pale headed rosella and the king parrots are quiet in comparison.

imagine if you had daylight savings… you wouldn’t hear that noise until a more civilised 6am. Spent a day or two in Brisneyland last week and certainly realised how moronic the SE is by not adopting daylight savings at least in the city.

I don’t agree. But I don’t agree with a lot of people.

the sun was up at 04:30! What a stupid time to wake up?

painmaster said:

pomolo said:

painmaster said:

imagine if you had daylight savings… you wouldn’t hear that noise until a more civilised 6am. Spent a day or two in Brisneyland last week and certainly realised how moronic the SE is by not adopting daylight savings at least in the city.

I don’t agree. But I don’t agree with a lot of people.

the sun was up at 04:30! What a stupid time to wake up?

…but…you can get so much done in the garden if you get up at 4:30! before the heat hits…

Juvenile

Mother

nice shots. has mum got dinner in her claws there?

bluegreen said:

nice shots. has mum got dinner in her claws there?

Yep.. Kids must have been fed and dad had just dropped by with lunch for mum.

Dinetta said:

painmaster said:

pomolo said:

I don’t agree. But I don’t agree with a lot of people.

the sun was up at 04:30! What a stupid time to wake up?

…but…you can get so much done in the garden if you get up at 4:30! before the heat hits…

ummm but the sun is the same temp at 04:30 as it would be at 05:30, and its progression of heat would be the same all the way until if the sun sinks at 7pm compared to 8pm. You still get the same amount of sunshine and the same temps. It doesn’t fade your curtains!

painmaster said:

ummm but the sun is the same temp at 04:30 as it would be at 05:30, and its progression of heat would be the same all the way until if the sun sinks at 7pm compared to 8pm. You still get the same amount of sunshine and the same temps. It doesn’t fade your curtains!

The sun rots your curtains…daylight saving or not…

However for the keen gardener, the hours between 4:30 and 7:30 are nice and cool. YOu can get much physical work done in that time, before the heat kicks in…because at the end of the day, the heat is such that you are limited in your enthusiasm for any gardening work…

I agree with you about BrisVegas and the coast, south east corner, having DLS tho’…the majority of the mothers there would not agree, I believe…

DLS is a life-style thing, it always was…it was born in the cold dark north European countries as a way of saving electricity…the warm southern parts of Europe, they have afternoon siestas which is a lifestyle more suited to us up here…

Dinetta said:

painmaster said:

ummm but the sun is the same temp at 04:30 as it would be at 05:30, and its progression of heat would be the same all the way until if the sun sinks at 7pm compared to 8pm. You still get the same amount of sunshine and the same temps. It doesn’t fade your curtains!

The sun rots your curtains…daylight saving or not…

However for the keen gardener, the hours between 4:30 and 7:30 are nice and cool. YOu can get much physical work done in that time, before the heat kicks in…because at the end of the day, the heat is such that you are limited in your enthusiasm for any gardening work…

I agree with you about BrisVegas and the coast, south east corner, having DLS tho’…the majority of the mothers there would not agree, I believe…

DLS is a life-style thing, it always was…it was born in the cold dark north European countries as a way of saving electricity…the warm southern parts of Europe, they have afternoon siestas which is a lifestyle more suited to us up here…

during DLS, the hours between 05:30 and 08:30 are identical to the hours you talk of… and you get to wake up at a reasonable hour. The sun doesn’t “start” cooler just because the clock says it is 04:30.

roughbarked said:

Juvenile

Mother

Good shots.

painmaster said:

during DLS, the hours between 05:30 and 08:30 are identical to the hours you talk of… and you get to wake up at a reasonable hour. The sun doesn’t “start” cooler just because the clock says it is 04:30.

Our respective minds are made up, I refuse to argue…and we have hijacked Rough’s thread…

Dinetta said:

…and we have hijacked Rough’s thread…

fair call.

Dinetta said:

painmaster said:

during DLS, the hours between 05:30 and 08:30 are identical to the hours you talk of… and you get to wake up at a reasonable hour. The sun doesn’t “start” cooler just because the clock says it is 04:30.

Our respective minds are made up, I refuse to argue…and we have hijacked Rough’s thread…

Thread highjacks are the norm since there are no moderators.

To tell the truth I have mixed feelings about DLS. Since I rarely have worked in paid work indoors since about 1988. Prior to that I did enjoy the extra hour after work to have in the garden or for going bush. My work in those days was mostly sitting at a watchmakers or jewellers bench. I’ve hardly worn a watch since then and have started at first light which always requires getting up in the dark anyway. I remember hating coming out of the shop and it was dark in winter, thinking wish they could shift the hours in winter…

As to working outdoors I always found that daylight savings went on too long and that that last few weeks was really wearing.

painmaster said:

Dinetta said:

…and we have hijacked Rough’s thread…

fair call.

…I was just saying! :P

Dinetta said:

painmaster said:

Dinetta said:

…and we have hijacked Rough’s thread…

fair call.

…I was just saying! :P

I was in agreeance with you, and just trying to get the last word in…. :P

painmaster said:

Dinetta said:

painmaster said:

fair call.

…I was just saying! :P

I was in agreeance with you, and just trying to get the last word in…. :P

agreement. ;)

In order to return to normal programming..

How jewel-like!

Dinetta said:

How jewel-like!

dew and moss sporophytes.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

How jewel-like!

dew and moss sporophytes.

Geez, off to google…

Right, all informed now! so that is an amazing photograph!

Dinetta said:

Right, all informed now! so that is an amazing photograph!

:) Sometimes I get one that stands out. There are quite a few attempts shown here http://www.flickr.com/photos/99559986@N00/sets/72157630721372544/

and here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/99559986@N00/sets/72157625583933934/

ebony pearls

Unusual…and beautiful…love the lacework effect…

Love this one

What is it?

roughbarked said:

In order to return to normal programming..

WOW! Are they are type of sundew? or is that actual dew/raindrops on the plant?

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

How jewel-like!

dew and moss sporophytes.

that answers my question :)

roughbarked said:

ebony pearls

is it just a trick of the light that makes the dew look black? if it is dew.

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

ebony pearls

is it just a trick of the light that makes the dew look black? if it is dew.

It is dew on spiderwebs in a depression on the surface of the soil. Most of these shots are of approx >1 square inch

The trick is not of the light but of the lack of it.
The black pearls are reflecting the darkness.

Dinetta said:

Love this one:

What is it?

Presumably Gametophyte \Ga*me“to*phyte\, n. (Bot.) In the alternation of generations in plants, that generation or phase which bears sex organs and produces gametes. In the lower plants, as the alg, the gametophyte is the conspicuous part of the plant body; in mosses it is the so-called moss plant; in ferns it is reduced to a small, early perishing body; and in seed plants it is usually microscopic or rudimentary.

roughbarked said:

The trick is not of the light but of the lack of it.
The black pearls are reflecting the darkness.

cool :)

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

Dinetta said:

…I was just saying! :P

I was in agreeance with you, and just trying to get the last word in…. :P

agreement. ;)

thought you’d be old enough to remember when agreeance was a proper word.

roughbarked said:

ebony pearls

very nice.

roughbarked said:

ebony pearls

remarkable – and so was the previous closeup.

roughbarked said:

In order to return to normal programming..

That looks all Christmasy. Sparkles and all.

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

I was in agreeance with you, and just trying to get the last word in…. :P

agreement. ;)

thought you’d be old enough to remember when agreeance was a proper word.

…and here’s me thinking RoughBarked was trying to get the last word…I didn’t even notice agreeance as I often use it myself…

Dinetta said:

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

agreement. ;)

thought you’d be old enough to remember when agreeance was a proper word.

…and here’s me thinking RoughBarked was trying to get the last word…I didn’t even notice agreeance as I often use it myself…

its a legit word, just one the kids have stopped using….

painmaster said:

Dinetta said:

painmaster said:

thought you’d be old enough to remember when agreeance was a proper word.

…and here’s me thinking RoughBarked was trying to get the last word…I didn’t even notice agreeance as I often use it myself…

its a legit word, just one the kids have stopped using….

I’ve oft used it too but my pedantic father in law pulled me up a few times on it and RIP he was 89 when he died. An ex-navigator on Sunderlands during the war and having started working life as a sleeper cutter, spent his time after the war as a state forester. He was particularly pedantic about Speaking English well.

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

Dinetta said:

…and here’s me thinking RoughBarked was trying to get the last word…I didn’t even notice agreeance as I often use it myself…

its a legit word, just one the kids have stopped using….

I’ve oft used it too but my pedantic father in law pulled me up a few times on it and RIP he was 89 when he died. An ex-navigator on Sunderlands during the war and having started working life as a sleeper cutter, spent his time after the war as a state forester. He was particularly pedantic about Speaking English well.

It has been sneaking back into language in Australia though it has been obsolete since circa 1700 in England.

Noun. agreeance (uncountable). (obsolete) A state whereby two parties share a view or opinion; agreement. I am in agreeance with you …

http://www.abc.net.au/wordmap/rel_stories/slippage.htm

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

Dinetta said:

…and here’s me thinking RoughBarked was trying to get the last word…I didn’t even notice agreeance as I often use it myself…

its a legit word, just one the kids have stopped using….

I’ve oft used it too but my pedantic father in law pulled me up a few times on it and RIP he was 89 when he died. An ex-navigator on Sunderlands during the war and having started working life as a sleeper cutter, spent his time after the war as a state forester. He was particularly pedantic about Speaking English well.

It has been sneaking back into language in Australia though it has been obsolete since circa 1700 in England.

Noun. agreeance (uncountable). (obsolete) A state whereby two parties share a view or opinion; agreement. I am in agreeance with you …

http://www.abc.net.au/wordmap/rel_stories/slippage.htm

roughbarked said:

He was particularly pedantic about Speaking English well.

I’m all for Speaking English Well, but I do love idiom as well…

roughbarked said:

It has been sneaking back into language in Australia though it has been obsolete since circa 1700 in England.

Noun. agreeance (uncountable). (obsolete) A state whereby two parties share a view or opinion; agreement. I am in agreeance with you …

http://www.abc.net.au/wordmap/rel_stories/slippage.htm

Obsolete since 1700! Maybe I’ve picked it up from reading historical novels…

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

He was particularly pedantic about Speaking English well.

I’m all for Speaking English Well, but I do love idiom as well…

That’s all good for the English, but I do love our Aussie English

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

Dinetta said:

…and here’s me thinking RoughBarked was trying to get the last word…I didn’t even notice agreeance as I often use it myself…

its a legit word, just one the kids have stopped using….

I’ve oft used it too but my pedantic father in law pulled me up a few times on it and RIP he was 89 when he died. An ex-navigator on Sunderlands during the war and having started working life as a sleeper cutter, spent his time after the war as a state forester. He was particularly pedantic about Speaking English well.

Then perhaps it was your father in law’s father that stopped using ‘agreeance”???

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

painmaster said:

its a legit word, just one the kids have stopped using….

I’ve oft used it too but my pedantic father in law pulled me up a few times on it and RIP he was 89 when he died. An ex-navigator on Sunderlands during the war and having started working life as a sleeper cutter, spent his time after the war as a state forester. He was particularly pedantic about Speaking English well.

It has been sneaking back into language in Australia though it has been obsolete since circa 1700 in England.

Noun. agreeance (uncountable). (obsolete) A state whereby two parties share a view or opinion; agreement. I am in agreeance with you …

http://www.abc.net.au/wordmap/rel_stories/slippage.htm

I feel old now…

painmaster said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve oft used it too but my pedantic father in law pulled me up a few times on it and RIP he was 89 when he died. An ex-navigator on Sunderlands during the war and having started working life as a sleeper cutter, spent his time after the war as a state forester. He was particularly pedantic about Speaking English well.

It has been sneaking back into language in Australia though it has been obsolete since circa 1700 in England.

Noun. agreeance (uncountable). (obsolete) A state whereby two parties share a view or opinion; agreement. I am in agreeance with you …

http://www.abc.net.au/wordmap/rel_stories/slippage.htm

I feel old now…

Now now.. It can’t be that bad.. we all die to get there.

Recently Buffy said she’d prefer her CSIRO slaters.. to mine. For the simplistic reasoning that the CSIRO know everything and that I don’t.

proof will be more forthcoming as I document the evidence.

first installment.. Slaters clearly preferring to eat radish leaves to the copious supplies of dead matter.

roughbarked said:

Recently Buffy said she’d prefer her CSIRO slaters.. to mine. For the simplistic reasoning that the CSIRO know everything and that I don’t.

proof will be more forthcoming as I document the evidence.

first installment.. Slaters clearly preferring to eat radish leaves to the copious supplies of dead matter.

Could they just be cleaning up the detritus left behind by the slugs / snails? Or the radish might be crook anyway?

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Recently Buffy said she’d prefer her CSIRO slaters.. to mine. For the simplistic reasoning that the CSIRO know everything and that I don’t.

proof will be more forthcoming as I document the evidence.

first installment.. Slaters clearly preferring to eat radish leaves to the copious supplies of dead matter.

Could they just be cleaning up the detritus left behind by the slugs / snails? Or the radish might be crook anyway?

Nah.. They are seriously stripping the radish the way silk worms eat mulberries… They chew off new bean seedlings and ringbark stronger plants such as Quandong.. skin the bark off tomates etc. This is a serious pest in large numbers.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Recently Buffy said she’d prefer her CSIRO slaters.. to mine. For the simplistic reasoning that the CSIRO know everything and that I don’t.

proof will be more forthcoming as I document the evidence.

first installment.. Slaters clearly preferring to eat radish leaves to the copious supplies of dead matter.

Could they just be cleaning up the detritus left behind by the slugs / snails? Or the radish might be crook anyway?

Nah.. They are seriously stripping the radish the way silk worms eat mulberries… They chew off new bean seedlings and ringbark stronger plants such as Quandong.. skin the bark off tomates etc. This is a serious pest in large numbers.

agreed – and they seem to cohabit with earwigs and millipedes around here.
..but go on – this sounds interesting and i reckon you could teach csiro a ting or two.

justin said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

Could they just be cleaning up the detritus left behind by the slugs / snails? Or the radish might be crook anyway?

Nah.. They are seriously stripping the radish the way silk worms eat mulberries… They chew off new bean seedlings and ringbark stronger plants such as Quandong.. skin the bark off tomates etc. This is a serious pest in large numbers.

agreed – and they seem to cohabit with earwigs and millipedes around here.
..but go on – this sounds interesting and i reckon you could teach csiro a ting or two.

If I had a billionth of a % of their budget to spend.. Easily. The problem is that I have to work 7 days a week just to keep the car that takes me to the work, running.

However to cut some expenditure of time and money short, I can start with one I prepared earlier. This image is one taken in 2009 of a quandong seedling. Ringbarked and cut right through by organised slater munching. Could write a thesis on how slaters can ruin the best laid plans overnight, any night of their choosing. In fact it doesn’t need to be overnight as will be evident over time as my photos cannot be taken in the dark unless I spend money on or borrow a camera that will work with a flash. The photo above of the slaters eating the radish leaves was taken in daylight. In the case of the quandongs These take a year and more to germinate and would have only survived to the point where the damage occurred due to the fact that I hadn’t cleared the plants around it which were otherwise providing food for slaters.

I will not accept that slaters eat only dead things.. ever. Over time I will put together a series of untouched photos that do describe how many headaches and heartache that healthy populations of slaters can cause to gardeners who don’t wish to fill their yards with green painted concrete.

I’m no expert, but the slaters you show on the radish leaf are a lot darker than any I have seen before. Are these a different slater specie? You know like the evil 28 spotter ladybird is a different specie to the regular happy-go-lucky ladybird.

painmaster said:

I’m no expert, but the slaters you show on the radish leaf are a lot darker than any I have seen before. Are these a different slater specie? You know like the evil 28 spotter ladybird is a different specie to the regular happy-go-lucky ladybird.

:) yes I do. There are more than one species of slater. However the photo was taken in very low light illuminated by one LED in a cigarette lighter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodlouse#Woodlice_as_pests

roughbarked said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodlouse#Woodlice_as_pests

http://museumvictoria.com.au/discoverycentre/infosheets/-crustaceans-at-the-bottom-of-the-garden/

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodlouse#Woodlice_as_pests

http://museumvictoria.com.au/discoverycentre/infosheets/-crustaceans-at-the-bottom-of-the-garden/

Thank you, that was interesting learning and getting to know the good and bad.

Thought I may show this. I know its a bit dark but they are difficult to pin down in bright sunlight. This is 2.2 metres up a beanstalk. Definitely climbed all the way up there to eat the newer greener fresher bits.

Sometimes you can see why I publish a photo that is in no way perfect.. My photos can never be as good as those who have good digital lenses and other equipment and I don’t really have the money and hence the time to improve on that. However I can try to make my photos be arty, in the least.

roughbarked said:

Sometimes you can see why I publish a photo that is in no way perfect.. My photos can never be as good as those who have good digital lenses and other equipment and I don’t really have the money and hence the time to improve on that. However I can try to make my photos be arty, in the least.

I like it.

roughbarked said:

Sometimes you can see why I publish a photo that is in no way perfect.. My photos can never be as good as those who have good digital lenses and other equipment and I don’t really have the money and hence the time to improve on that. However I can try to make my photos be arty, in the least.

Good photos are art…

Very jewel-like, RoughBarked…lovely

Hugging Basil, puts hairs on my chest.

Strange stuff. Grows like grass in many ways resembles a grass but at the same time not.
I’ll try for a better photo when the next flower occurs.
Anyone recognise it?

roughbarked said:

Strange stuff. Grows like grass in many ways resembles a grass but at the same time not.
I’ll try for a better photo when the next flower occurs.
Anyone recognise it?

no I don’t, but I have a feeling I should…

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

Strange stuff. Grows like grass in many ways resembles a grass but at the same time not.
I’ll try for a better photo when the next flower occurs.
Anyone recognise it?

no I don’t, but I have a feeling I should…

probably some sort of millet.. maybe panorama millet sounds exotic enough.. (one of the millets listed on the back of the bag of Trill).

scratch that. I doubt It is millet.. unless it is really exotic.

roughbarked said:

Strange stuff. Grows like grass in many ways resembles a grass but at the same time not.
I’ll try for a better photo when the next flower occurs.
Anyone recognise it?

Not yet, the flower looks kind of pea-like tho’…

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Strange stuff. Grows like grass in many ways resembles a grass but at the same time not.
I’ll try for a better photo when the next flower occurs.
Anyone recognise it?

Not yet, the flower looks kind of pea-like tho’…

Helix;@scribbly said:

Something along the lines of Commelina benghalensis maybe? http://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/03030800-0b07-490a-8d04-0605030c0f01/media/Html/Commelina_benghalensis.htm

big picture:http://bie.ala.org.au/repo/1036/160/1609895/raw.jpg

roughbarked said:

big picture:http://bie.ala.org.au/repo/1036/160/1609895/raw.jpg

O that thing, it’s a bleeding weed. Nix it!

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

big picture:http://bie.ala.org.au/repo/1036/160/1609895/raw.jpg

O that thing, it’s a bleeding weed. Nix it!

I think it’s a hymen-something…

I only left one plant, to see how it flowered.

The Japanese (panorama)millet, I will feed to the birds. The asparagus, zucchini(ronde), rocket and tomatoes and etc.(this garden does different magic at different times of year), all end up on my plate.

I hate wandering jew, almost as much as wireweed and couch grass……

buffy said:

I hate wandering jew, almost as much as wireweed and couch grass……

Wireweed is easy, just the one taproot. Couch is a right bastard.. Despite all my efforts(and I’m good at weeds) couch keeps coming back..

if Benghal dayflower, commelina, day flower, dayflower, dew flower, hairy commelina, hairy wandering Jew, Indian dayflower, jio, tropical spiderwort, wandering Jew

whatever, is a weed.. I just stopped a major incursion.
First time I’ve seen it.

but then, I do pour the water on, at times.

and I do allow some birdseed overflow to grow for green stuff.

Bloody budgies.. I told the kids.. NO PETS! unless it is birds or fish.

I’m left with the legacy.. Every now and then I leave the door open to give the sparrowhawks a go.

Not pattersons curse is it?

Or, patersonia ?

Happy Potter said:

Not pattersons curse is it?

Nothing like it.. but if I was lazy and let it go it could have been roughbarked’s curse.. I like to allow things to reach flowering to try and determine WTF I’m dealing with. I pulled all the other plants and left one to make it’s first flower.. the plant is gone after the photos.

Happy Potter said:

Or, patersonia ?

Benghal dayflower, commelina, day flower, dayflower, dew flower, hairy commelina, hairy wandering Jew, Indian dayflower, jio, tropical spiderwort, wandering Jew

Happy Potter said:

Not pattersons curse is it?

Nope.

I think it’s that hymen…something, it’s a noxious weed up here, clogs the creeks and what not…

I think this is it? Well it’s the one I’m thinking of anyway…

http://www.daff.qld.gov.au/4790_7303.htm

roughbarked said:

Strange stuff. Grows like grass in many ways resembles a grass but at the same time not.
I’ll try for a better photo when the next flower occurs.
Anyone recognise it?

Sorry. Not me.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Strange stuff. Grows like grass in many ways resembles a grass but at the same time not.
I’ll try for a better photo when the next flower occurs.
Anyone recognise it?

Not yet, the flower looks kind of pea-like tho’…

Helix;@scribbly said:

Something along the lines of Commelina benghalensis maybe? http://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/03030800-0b07-490a-8d04-0605030c0f01/media/Html/Commelina_benghalensis.htm

big picture:http://bie.ala.org.au/repo/1036/160/1609895/raw.jpg

http://bie.ala.org.au/repo/1036/160/1609895/raw.jpg Dainty flower

roughbarked said:

That stuff even grows in the total dark. Terrible thing to get rid of. Up here anyway. Bugger, the name escapes me atm.

buffy said:

I hate wandering jew, almost as much as wireweed and couch grass……

That’s it. Wandering jew.

What’s going on here, you may well ask.

Something starts the skin breaking. I know it can be slaters but it would seem that something like a mouse or a lizard starts the hole. Slaters and ants take it further. The same sized particles all over it could be something the ants put there as it is too well placed to be slater droppings.. or is it?

roughbarked said:

What’s going on here, you may well ask.

Something starts the skin breaking. I know it can be slaters but it would seem that something like a mouse or a lizard starts the hole. Slaters and ants take it further. The same sized particles all over it could be something the ants put there as it is too well placed to be slater droppings.. or is it?

they are interesting looking particles, sort of squarish. My first impression is that it had been dropped in some dirt/mulch, or blown in by wind, but they are sort of too consistent and angular. I don’t know why ants would leave stuff behind though and I have never seen square droppings so it is a mystery to me. Looks like chocolate sprinkles actually!

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

What’s going on here, you may well ask.

Something starts the skin breaking. I know it can be slaters but it would seem that something like a mouse or a lizard starts the hole. Slaters and ants take it further. The same sized particles all over it could be something the ants put there as it is too well placed to be slater droppings.. or is it?

they are interesting looking particles, sort of squarish. My first impression is that it had been dropped in some dirt/mulch, or blown in by wind, but they are sort of too consistent and angular. I don’t know why ants would leave stuff behind though and I have never seen square droppings so it is a mystery to me. Looks like chocolate sprinkles actually!

Yes. chocolate sprinklies.. :)

Actually many insect defecations are squared off. Silk work doings for example, look like miniature mulberry fruit clusters.

roughbarked said:

What’s going on here, you may well ask.

Something starts the skin breaking. I know it can be slaters but it would seem that something like a mouse or a lizard starts the hole. Slaters and ants take it further. The same sized particles all over it could be something the ants put there as it is too well placed to be slater droppings.. or is it?

Yep slater droppings.
Hows that, I actually know something LOL

Happy Potter said:

roughbarked said:

What’s going on here, you may well ask.

Something starts the skin breaking. I know it can be slaters but it would seem that something like a mouse or a lizard starts the hole. Slaters and ants take it further. The same sized particles all over it could be something the ants put there as it is too well placed to be slater droppings.. or is it?

Yep slater droppings.
Hows that, I actually know something LOL

Yep. You do. :)

I’d hazard an educated guess. That what is depicted is slater damage to living fruit still attached to the vine.. Eat that CSIRO slaters.

Doesn’t mean the fruit wasn’t damaged – bird pecks – before the slaters decided to move in on the damaged goods. It’s what slaters do….clean up the damaged and dead stuff.

buffy said:

Doesn’t mean the fruit wasn’t damaged – bird pecks – before the slaters decided to move in on the damaged goods. It’s what slaters do….clean up the damaged and dead stuff.

I’m with Buffy…

buffy said:

Doesn’t mean the fruit wasn’t damaged – bird pecks – before the slaters decided to move in on the damaged goods. It’s what slaters do….clean up the damaged and dead stuff.

Bird damage impossible, the damage is under fruit, on the ground. Perhaps a mouse but no mice activity.

Dinetta said:

buffy said:

Doesn’t mean the fruit wasn’t damaged – bird pecks – before the slaters decided to move in on the damaged goods. It’s what slaters do….clean up the damaged and dead stuff.

I’m with Buffy…

Sigh.. If only I had a camera that can make movies in the dark.

Disbelieving infidel.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

buffy said:

Doesn’t mean the fruit wasn’t damaged – bird pecks – before the slaters decided to move in on the damaged goods. It’s what slaters do….clean up the damaged and dead stuff.

I’m with Buffy…

Sigh.. If only I had a camera that can make movies in the dark.

Disbelieving infidel.

Well I’m only quoting from my observations as well…

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

I’m with Buffy…

Sigh.. If only I had a camera that can make movies in the dark.

Disbelieving infidel.

Well I’m only quoting from my observations as well…

and ignoring mine; that though there is heaps of dead and decaying organic matter, they have climbed onto watermelon and radish plants and chosen to eat the living plants. The same for any fruit such as tomatoes that lay on the mulch.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Sigh.. If only I had a camera that can make movies in the dark.

Disbelieving infidel.

Well I’m only quoting from my observations as well…

and ignoring mine; that though there is heaps of dead and decaying organic matter, they have climbed onto watermelon and radish plants and chosen to eat the living plants. The same for any fruit such as tomatoes that lay on the mulch.

Oh well, maybe there is another bug…although I know you know your bugs better than I do…

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

Well I’m only quoting from my observations as well…

and ignoring mine; that though there is heaps of dead and decaying organic matter, they have climbed onto watermelon and radish plants and chosen to eat the living plants. The same for any fruit such as tomatoes that lay on the mulch.

Oh well, maybe there is another bug…although I know you know your bugs better than I do…

Yes, I do call them slaters but others would call them pillbugs Armadillidium vulgare