I have a citrus tree but can’t work out what it is. I’m thinking it is probably root stock or seed grown hybrid. Sort of mild lemony taste/smell but only mild and without the tang, and the shape and colour is wrong.

Pictures of the fruit.

P1 – The one on the left is this season’s fruit and the one on the right is old fruit that is blown out and dry. Some old fruit when opened seem to have big air pockets between fruit and skin and are even larger than this one.

P2 – This season’s fruit cut. Note lots of seeds.

P3 – The tree. It has big thorns.

bluegreen said:

I have a citrus tree but can’t work out what it is. I’m thinking it is probably root stock or seed grown hybrid. Sort of mild lemony taste/smell but only mild and without the tang, and the shape and colour is wrong.

Pictures of the fruit.

P1 – The one on the left is this season’s fruit and the one on the right is old fruit that is blown out and dry. Some old fruit when opened seem to have big air pockets between fruit and skin and are even larger than this one.

P2 – This season’s fruit cut. Note lots of seeds.

P3 – The tree. It has big thorns.

It is most likely Citrange, an old rootstock wich isn’t used much these days. It is edible but you could also cut it back and graft new varieties onto it. or you could wait till I’m driving past ;)

roughbarked said:

It is most likely Citrange, an old rootstock wich isn’t used much these days. It is edible but you could also cut it back and graft new varieties onto it. or you could wait till I’m driving past ;)

I thought you might know :)

I was thinking that I could use it for grafting, but would need some hints. hint, hint ;)

So, when do you expect to be driving past Benalla way next? I remember you did a trip to Shepparton not long ago.

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

It is most likely Citrange, an old rootstock wich isn’t used much these days. It is edible but you could also cut it back and graft new varieties onto it. or you could wait till I’m driving past ;)

I thought you might know :)

I was thinking that I could use it for grafting, but would need some hints. hint, hint ;)

So, when do you expect to be driving past Benalla way next? I remember you did a trip to Shepparton not long ago.

Benalla.. is that just south of where Old Byron Bay Road turns off?

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

It is most likely Citrange, an old rootstock wich isn’t used much these days. It is edible but you could also cut it back and graft new varieties onto it. or you could wait till I’m driving past ;)

I thought you might know :)

I was thinking that I could use it for grafting, but would need some hints. hint, hint ;)

So, when do you expect to be driving past Benalla way next? I remember you did a trip to Shepparton not long ago.

Benalla.. is that just south of where Old Byron Bay Road turns off?

lol! just a tad :D

bluegreen said:

I have a citrus tree but can’t work out what it is. I’m thinking it is probably root stock or seed grown hybrid. Sort of mild lemony taste/smell but only mild and without the tang, and the shape and colour is wrong.

Pictures of the fruit.

P1 – The one on the left is this season’s fruit and the one on the right is old fruit that is blown out and dry. Some old fruit when opened seem to have big air pockets between fruit and skin and are even larger than this one.

P2 – This season’s fruit cut. Note lots of seeds.

P3 – The tree. It has big thorns.

Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but it sounds like a bush lemon…

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

I thought you might know :)

I was thinking that I could use it for grafting, but would need some hints. hint, hint ;)

So, when do you expect to be driving past Benalla way next? I remember you did a trip to Shepparton not long ago.

Benalla.. is that just south of where Old Byron Bay Road turns off?

lol! just a tad :D

It is a good 20 years since I’ve thought about or visited eastern parts.

Dinetta said:

Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but it sounds like a bush lemon…

http://tokyo3.org/forums/gardening/topics/854/

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

Benalla.. is that just south of where Old Byron Bay Road turns off?

lol! just a tad :D

It is a good 20 years since I’ve thought about or visited eastern parts.

you sure you are not thinking about Ballina? Benalla is in Victoria.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but it sounds like a bush lemon…

http://tokyo3.org/forums/gardening/topics/854/

anything come of that proto-grapefruit seed I sent you from that thread?

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

lol! just a tad :D

It is a good 20 years since I’ve thought about or visited eastern parts.

you sure you are not thinking about Ballina? Benalla is in Victoria.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=benalla&hl=en&sll=-28.725518,153.546295&sspn=0.621408,1.234589&z=11

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but it sounds like a bush lemon…

http://tokyo3.org/forums/gardening/topics/854/

Thanks RoughBarked, I may have missed that topic somehow…but it’s good…

So, if I was to graft on some other citrus using this tree as rootstock, what do I need to know?

What should I be looking for in a scion, and when is the best time of year to take them?
Do I cut the parent tree right back to a “stump” and graft the scions around under the bark?
I am aware that the cambium layers need to be in contact with each other, and that shoots from the rootstock should be removed. Should I expect suckering?

It could be fun trying to graft multiple varieties.

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but it sounds like a bush lemon…

http://tokyo3.org/forums/gardening/topics/854/

Thanks RoughBarked, I may have missed that topic somehow…but it’s good…

it’s an old thread. I’m impressed he found it!

Dinetta said:

bluegreen said:

I have a citrus tree but can’t work out what it is. I’m thinking it is probably root stock or seed grown hybrid. Sort of mild lemony taste/smell but only mild and without the tang, and the shape and colour is wrong.

Pictures of the fruit.

P1 – The one on the left is this season’s fruit and the one on the right is old fruit that is blown out and dry. Some old fruit when opened seem to have big air pockets between fruit and skin and are even larger than this one.

P2 – This season’s fruit cut. Note lots of seeds.

P3 – The tree. It has big thorns.

Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but it sounds like a bush lemon…

Aren’t they really sour?

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

lol! just a tad :D

It is a good 20 years since I’ve thought about or visited eastern parts.

you sure you are not thinking about Ballina? Benalla is in Victoria.

yep, you picked me up.

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but it sounds like a bush lemon…

http://tokyo3.org/forums/gardening/topics/854/

anything come of that proto-grapefruit seed I sent you from that thread?

seed grew. Waiting to see what happens next

bluegreen said:

So, if I was to graft on some other citrus using this tree as rootstock, what do I need to know?

What should I be looking for in a scion, and when is the best time of year to take them?
Do I cut the parent tree right back to a “stump” and graft the scions around under the bark?
I am aware that the cambium layers need to be in contact with each other, and that shoots from the rootstock should be removed. Should I expect suckering?

It could be fun trying to graft multiple varieties.

OK, there are several ways to do it.
They all require cutting the tree back to manageable size.
Manageable size means less rootstock below the bud the better. Taller rootstocks/standards, require more de-shooting to control the rootstock while the scion/s are growing.

So cut it back as hard as you reasonably dare.. but wait until the frosts are over.
Water the tree well before and after cutting.
Rip up more of that kike and widen the diameter of the root zone free of competition.
- put in a root barrier to stop the kike from coming back and regularly kick the life out of any that comes near.
give the tree some citrus food and some epsom salts.
Allow it to grow new shoots. Select a good shape, say three or four shoots, remove all other shoots.
by the method of T budding, bud these new shoots to your selected scions ..say, a Eureka lemon, a blood orange and a Tahitian lime. Perhaps add a wheeny grapefruit or a Ounci mandarin.
but then you may prefer to just have a navel or a valencia

bubba louie said:

Dinetta said:

bluegreen said:

I have a citrus tree but can’t work out what it is. I’m thinking it is probably root stock or seed grown hybrid. Sort of mild lemony taste/smell but only mild and without the tang, and the shape and colour is wrong.

Pictures of the fruit.

P1 – The one on the left is this season’s fruit and the one on the right is old fruit that is blown out and dry. Some old fruit when opened seem to have big air pockets between fruit and skin and are even larger than this one.

P2 – This season’s fruit cut. Note lots of seeds.

P3 – The tree. It has big thorns.

Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but it sounds like a bush lemon…

Aren’t they really sour?

No, not that I recall…

bluegreen said:

So, if I was to graft on some other citrus using this tree as rootstock, what do I need to know?

What should I be looking for in a scion, and when is the best time of year to take them?
Do I cut the parent tree right back to a “stump” and graft the scions around under the bark?
I am aware that the cambium layers need to be in contact with each other, and that shoots from the rootstock should be removed. Should I expect suckering?

It could be fun trying to graft multiple varieties.

OK, there are several ways to do it.
They all require cutting the tree back to manageable size.
Manageable size means less rootstock below the bud the better. Taller rootstocks/standards, require more de-shooting to control the rootstock while the scion/s are growing.

OR

So cut it back as hard as you reasonably dare.. YOU CAN DO THIS BEFORE the frosts are over.
Water the tree well before cutting.
Rip up more of that kike and widen the diameter of the root zone free of competition.
- put in a root barrier to stop the kike from coming back and regularly kick the life out of any that comes near.
give the tree some citrus food and some epsom salts.

Use the whip method to cut a scion(which is slice the bottom end of the scion woodon an angle like you are slicing beans), then push the knife striaght down(horizontal blade), under the bark directly where you cut the branch back.
Slide the scion taper down into the slot you have created until the base of the cut on the scion is matched with the stock. tie it up with anything frm tappe to string and paint the grafted pats including all of the scion wood(leaving the buds free) with grafting mastick and and paint it all, the stock included with white water based paint .

bluegreen said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

http://tokyo3.org/forums/gardening/topics/854/

Thanks RoughBarked, I may have missed that topic somehow…but it’s good…

it’s an old thread. I’m impressed he found it!

It’s the only one I ever bokmarked ;) wish I’d bookmarked my introductory roughbarked thread but I think you are all getting to know me anyway. ;)

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

http://tokyo3.org/forums/gardening/topics/854/

anything come of that proto-grapefruit seed I sent you from that thread?

seed grew. Waiting to see what happens next

:D :D

I guess it may be a few years or so before you get any fruit.

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

So, if I was to graft on some other citrus using this tree as rootstock, what do I need to know?

What should I be looking for in a scion, and when is the best time of year to take them?
Do I cut the parent tree right back to a “stump” and graft the scions around under the bark?
I am aware that the cambium layers need to be in contact with each other, and that shoots from the rootstock should be removed. Should I expect suckering?

It could be fun trying to graft multiple varieties.

OK, there are several ways to do it.
They all require cutting the tree back to manageable size.
Manageable size means less rootstock below the bud the better. Taller rootstocks/standards, require more de-shooting to control the rootstock while the scion/s are growing.

So cut it back as hard as you reasonably dare.. but wait until the frosts are over.
Water the tree well before and after cutting.
Rip up more of that kike and widen the diameter of the root zone free of competition.
- put in a root barrier to stop the kike from coming back and regularly kick the life out of any that comes near.
give the tree some citrus food and some epsom salts.
Allow it to grow new shoots. Select a good shape, say three or four shoots, remove all other shoots.
by the method of T budding, bud these new shoots to your selected scions ..say, a Eureka lemon, a blood orange and a Tahitian lime. Perhaps add a wheeny grapefruit or a Ounci mandarin.
but then you may prefer to just have a navel or a valencia

thanks. grafting onto shoots rather than the trunk itself makes more sense.

Buds I will probably scrounge off my friends here, definitely a lemon and orange, maybe a mandarin. I have a bit of time to plan. Will need to get my chipper/shredder going again so I can make mulch of the old tree.

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

Dinetta said:

Thanks RoughBarked, I may have missed that topic somehow…but it’s good…

it’s an old thread. I’m impressed he found it!

It’s the only one I ever bokmarked ;) wish I’d bookmarked my introductory roughbarked thread but I think you are all getting to know me anyway. ;)

I remember parts of it, and we were wondering if you were IronBarkBob by another name, and you said no you were rough barked by name and by nature, we could take it or leave it (but not those words)

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

it’s an old thread. I’m impressed he found it!

It’s the only one I ever bokmarked ;) wish I’d bookmarked my introductory roughbarked thread but I think you are all getting to know me anyway. ;)

I remember parts of it, and we were wondering if you were IronBarkBob by another name, and you said no you were rough barked by name and by nature, we could take it or leave it (but not those words)

Probably was in words similar, knowing me.
I had registered as ironbarked previously but when the split-off happened.. though my name was still registered the password no longer worked.. so I tried roughbarked with the same password.. that worked and here I am. ;)

like it or lump it. ;)

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

It’s the only one I ever bokmarked ;) wish I’d bookmarked my introductory roughbarked thread but I think you are all getting to know me anyway. ;)

I remember parts of it, and we were wondering if you were IronBarkBob by another name, and you said no you were rough barked by name and by nature, we could take it or leave it (but not those words)

Probably was in words similar, knowing me.
I had registered as ironbarked previously but when the split-off happened.. though my name was still registered the password no longer worked.. so I tried roughbarked with the same password.. that worked and here I am. ;)

like it or lump it. ;)

Like it :)

bluegreen said:

I have a citrus tree but can’t work out what it is. I’m thinking it is probably root stock or seed grown hybrid. Sort of mild lemony taste/smell but only mild and without the tang, and the shape and colour is wrong.

Pictures of the fruit.

P1 – The one on the left is this season’s fruit and the one on the right is old fruit that is blown out and dry. Some old fruit when opened seem to have big air pockets between fruit and skin and are even larger than this one.

P2 – This season’s fruit cut. Note lots of seeds.

P3 – The tree. It has big thorns.

Tangelo?

bon008 said:

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

I remember parts of it, and we were wondering if you were IronBarkBob by another name, and you said no you were rough barked by name and by nature, we could take it or leave it (but not those words)

Probably was in words similar, knowing me.
I had registered as ironbarked previously but when the split-off happened.. though my name was still registered the password no longer worked.. so I tried roughbarked with the same password.. that worked and here I am. ;)

like it or lump it. ;)

Like it :)

Ironbarkbob was a tomato aficionado.

it is like half lemon / orange, I have one here when I first moved in, only lasted a few years and the thorns where up to 2 inches long and dangerous !!!

roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

Dinetta said:

Thanks RoughBarked, I may have missed that topic somehow…but it’s good…

it’s an old thread. I’m impressed he found it!

It’s the only one I ever bokmarked ;) wish I’d bookmarked my introductory roughbarked thread but I think you are all getting to know me anyway. ;)

Yeah. We’ve got you summed up now.

bluegreen said:

bon008 said:

roughbarked said:

Probably was in words similar, knowing me.
I had registered as ironbarked previously but when the split-off happened.. though my name was still registered the password no longer worked.. so I tried roughbarked with the same password.. that worked and here I am. ;)

like it or lump it. ;)

Like it :)

Ironbarkbob was a tomato aficionado.

He still is but he does chillies as well now. He lives down the Highway from me.

bluegreen said:

bon008 said:

roughbarked said:

Probably was in words similar, knowing me.
I had registered as ironbarked previously but when the split-off happened.. though my name was still registered the password no longer worked.. so I tried roughbarked with the same password.. that worked and here I am. ;)

like it or lump it. ;)

Like it :)

Ironbarkbob was a tomato aficionado.

I’m good with tomatoes but I’m no master of any trade.

pomolo said:

bluegreen said:

bon008 said:

Like it :)

Ironbarkbob was a tomato aficionado.

He still is but he does chillies as well now. He lives down the Highway from me.

we bought some seed from him recently

the larger one on the right looks like the good old bush lemon to me, if so, they are a really nice lemon :)

bit of info:
http://websites.lib.ucr.edu/agnic/webber/Vol1/Chapter4.html

Bush Lemon Marmalade

The first fruit in the first photo looks very much like a tangelo (as someone has mentioned). My tangelo doesn’t have huge thorns on it though. But it is a bit behind its years, as I planted it in drought and it has struggled with me not living where I planted it. I just made a tangelo and orange cake, half an hour ago, with the second fruit from the tree. But the very significant thing about tangelos is that you need to eat them over the sink, or in the bath. They are very, very, very juicy. And quite sweet.