Governments, business organisations, and individuals use “spin”, or lies, to achieve their ends, so did this start with the statement, “The war to end wars”?
bob(from black rock) said:
Governments, business organisations, and individuals use “spin”, or lies, to achieve their ends, so did this start with the statement, “The war to end wars”?
or
“no more taxes”?
“there will be no carbon tax under the government i lead”
“the recession we had to have”
wookie, yep,all good examples, and I’m sure there will be no end to it, but did “Spin” start with “The War to end Wars”, makes as much sense as “F*cking for virginity”
bob(from black rock) said:
Governments, business organisations, and individuals use “spin”, or lies, to achieve their ends, so did this start with the statement, “The war to end wars”?
No, the opposite.
Governments and armies at the time were unaware and unprepared just for how terrible the first world war was going to be. I don’t think any of them would have planned for it to happen the way it did. They had also unwittingly set up the situation where they were all inexorably drawn into the conflict, once the trigger was pulled there was no way for them to back out.
The war to end all wars phrase was a reaction to the horrors of the war from the soldiers who fought there, the press and the general public. Quite the opposite of being a carefully planned and constructed piece of spin.
the only way to end wars is to make sure that politicians are sent to the front line
no army should be put into the field without the boss fighting on the front line
howard is still powerwalking around sydney when he should be in the hills of afghanistan
how long would that war last if they knew they would be sent there once there time in office is over and they are expendable
>>>Quite the opposite of being a carefully planned and constructed piece of spin.
Reply Quote View party_pants thanks, didn’t realise that
From a spin point of view, at the start of the war it was optimistically expected that the troops would be home for Christmas. They were expecting a short, sharp and relatively civilised war.
wookiemeister said:
the only way to end wars is to make sure that politicians are sent to the front lineno army should be put into the field without the boss fighting on the front line
howard is still powerwalking around sydney when he should be in the hills of afghanistan
how long would that war last if they knew they would be sent there once there time in office is over and they are expendable
wookie, they should be first to be deployed, not after they are tipped out of office.
No, it started much earlier than that.
I don’t know the first example, but possibly the first documented example is some bloke coming down a mountain with some graven tablets containing rules on how to live, and saying that they came from God.
bob(from black rock) said:
wookiemeister said:
the only way to end wars is to make sure that politicians are sent to the front lineno army should be put into the field without the boss fighting on the front line
howard is still powerwalking around sydney when he should be in the hills of afghanistan
how long would that war last if they knew they would be sent there once there time in office is over and they are expendable
wookie, they should be first to be deployed, not after they are tipped out of office.
baby steps
The Rev Dodgson said:
No, it started much earlier than that.I don’t know the first example, but possibly the first documented example is some bloke coming down a mountain with some graven tablets containing rules on how to live, and saying that they came from God.
some guy from amway wasn’t it?
Graven Tablets?
<quote>Upon landing the container was almost immediately examined by customs officers who were confronted by a wall of cans of 3kg tinned tomatoes – 15 rows high and 14 cans across, he said.“The tomatoes were the camouflage,” Mr Young said.
X-ray scanning revealed some of the cans contained rocks and gravel, while others contained small tablets with logos stamped on them including kangaroos, the court heard.
The rocks were to provide a counter weight for the tablets which weighed only 0.3 of a gram. The tablets were packed in the cans beneath a layer of foam rubber, Mr Young said.
Analysis confirmed the presence of MDMA, also known as ecstasy, he said.
The court heard the net weight of the tablets was 4.4 tonnes and testing of the tablets removed from the cans revealed that the pure MDMA component of those tablets was more than 1.4 tonnes.
“It confirmed that there was more than 15 million tablets that had been imported,” Mr Young said.</quote>
What about the delusions of the wackiest of Roman emperors Caligula or those of the Egyptian Pharaohs?
‘Caligula’s so-called military campaign moved to Britain. Camping outside the port of Boulogne, Caligula ordered his men to line up along the beaches in preparation for battle. Without warning, he rode into the water waving his sword and declared revenge on Neptune. Slashing at the water with his sword he ordered his men to follow him and attack the water. The reward, as he was recorded as saying, was “for the plunder.” Instead of returning to Rome with actual riches to put to good use for the glory of the empire the soldiers brought only seashells as evidence of the emperor’s military “victory.”
The story carved on Trajan’s column springs to mind – the scenes depicted somewhat inflated the reality of the campaign.
Ian said:
What about the delusions of the wackiest of Roman emperors Caligula or those of the Egyptian Pharaohs?‘Caligula’s so-called military campaign moved to Britain. Camping outside the port of Boulogne, Caligula ordered his men to line up along the beaches in preparation for battle. Without warning, he rode into the water waving his sword and declared revenge on Neptune. Slashing at the water with his sword he ordered his men to follow him and attack the water. The reward, as he was recorded as saying, was “for the plunder.” Instead of returning to Rome with actual riches to put to good use for the glory of the empire the soldiers brought only seashells as evidence of the emperor’s military “victory.”
there will be no seashell tax under the empire that i lead
julius gillard
…3kg tinned tomatoes – 15 rows high and 14 cans across….
= 630kg
The court heard the net weight of the tablets was 4.4 tonnes and testing of the tablets removed from the cans revealed that the pure MDMA component of those tablets was more than 1.4 tonnes.
surely the big difference in weight would have been a giveaway. and why did the need The rocks were to provide a counter weight for the tablets…??
Boris said:
…3kg tinned tomatoes – 15 rows high and 14 cans across….= 630kg
The court heard the net weight of the tablets was 4.4 tonnes and testing of the tablets removed from the cans revealed that the pure MDMA component of those tablets was more than 1.4 tonnes.
surely the big difference in weight would have been a giveaway. and why did the need The rocks were to provide a counter weight for the tablets…??
The tablets were light and yes, rocks were added to bring the weight up to the expected weight. Not sure that they did their maths correctly but it was an elaborate attempt to.
Boris, the rocks were to make up the weight in the can so that it would weigh the same as a normal can of tomatoes.
i realise that but the total weight, written on the cans is 3kg times that by the number of cans 14×15 and that comes to 630kg. even if that was nett not gross i can’t imagine the cans weighing that much extra to get a total of 4.4 tonnes.
Boris said:
i realise that but the total weight, written on the cans is 3kg times that by the number of cans 14×15 and that comes to 630kg. even if that was nett not gross i can’t imagine the cans weighing that much extra to get a total of 4.4 tonnes.
15,000,000 × 0.3 gm = 4,500,000 gm
The 14×15 wall of cans = were confronted by a wall of cans of 3kg tinned tomatoes – 15 rows high and 14 cans across, he said.
“The tomatoes were the camouflage,” Mr Young said.
Obviously there were more than 630 kg in the whole load. ie: the ship – the Monica – arrived on the Melbourne docks from Naples and on board was a 6.1 metre container with what appeared to be a load of canned tomatoes.
now, 6.1 cubic metres is approx., 6.1 tonnes capacity.
roughbarked said:
now, 6.1 cubic metres is approx., 6.1 tonnes capacity.
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That is all.
sibeen said:
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