Date: 4/05/2012 12:31:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 152443
Subject: Another Climate Beatup

The death threats supposidly made against Australian climate scientists have been found to be bullshit, it was a fake to garner support for the carbon tax and public sympathy for the scientists, a blind Croation called Fredrick could have seen through it, myself and a few other agnostics called it bullshit at the time.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/02/breaking-death-threats-against-australian-climate-scientists-turn-out-to-be-nothing-but-hype-and-hot-air/

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Date: 4/05/2012 12:35:45
From: wookiemeister
ID: 152444
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

when i get my death threats i tell people to form an orderly queue

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Date: 4/05/2012 12:37:49
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 152445
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

As a follow up to yesterday’s breaking news that there were never any death threats at all, as determined by a court adjudicate, Simon Turnill writes on Australian Climate Madness that it has been confirmed that there’s a new story in the Australian saying that the police were never contacted over the alleged “death threats”, indicating that the Australian National University didn’t even take the non-existent “death threats” seriously enough to even report it! Today, ANU has “no comment” as to why.

He writes:

Following the freedom of information request story which made page 1 of The Australian yesterday, Christian Kerr and Lanai Vasek write a further story today, confirming that the Australian National University made no complaint to the police, despite alleging a vicious campaign of hatred against climate scientists.

As I said in my original post on this back in June 2011:

Last time I checked, which was about thirty seconds ago, making threats to kill in the ACT was a criminal offence, thanks to section 30 of the Crimes Act (ACT) 1900, and punishable by a maximum of ten years imprisonment. A similar provision for threats to kill via a postal service or carriage service appears in the Schedule to the Commonwealth Criminal Code Act 1995, with a similar punishment.

So one has to ask why no action was taken by the university, given these were allegedly such serious crimes?
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Date: 4/05/2012 12:44:04
From: wookiemeister
ID: 152446
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

you can’t even make death threats via the postal service?!

this is exactly my whole complaint about the nanny state.

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Date: 4/05/2012 13:00:52
From: The_observer
ID: 152447
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

>>>> it was a fake to garner support for the carbon tax and public sympathy for the scientists<<<<

Yes, well put.

Gillard Labour will stop at nothing, & neither will those she’s paying.

Was this report on the ABC News ?

Ha Ha Ha

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Date: 4/05/2012 16:20:48
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 152497
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

Shouldn’t this have been posted in FF?

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Date: 5/05/2012 09:35:30
From: Ian
ID: 152809
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

Last year humorist Richard Glover had the temerity to publish this… has a bit of a dig at both sides or the debate..

THE DANGERS OF BONE-HEADED BELIEFS

Surely it’s time for climate-change deniers to have their opinions forcibly tattooed on their bodies.
Not necessarily on the forehead; I’m a reasonable man. Just something along their arm or across their chest so their grandchildren could say, ‘‘Really? You were one of the ones who tried to stop the world doing something? And why exactly was that, granddad?’‘

On second thoughts, maybe the tattooing along the arm is a bit Nazi-creepy. So how about they are forced to buy property on low-lying islands, the sort of property that will become worthless with a few more centimetres of ocean rise, so they are bankrupted by their own bloody-mindedness? Or what about their signed agreement to stand, in the year 2040, lashed to a pole at a certain point in the shallows off Manly? If they are right and the world is cooling – ‘‘climate change stopped in the year 1998’‘ is one of their more boneheaded beliefs – their mouths will be above water. If not …

OK, maybe the desire to see the painful, thrashing death of one’s opponents is not ideal. But, my God, these people are frustrating. You just know that in 20 years’ time, when the costs of our inaction are clear, the climate deniers will become climate-denial-deniers. ‘‘Who me? Oh, no, I always believed in it. Yes, it’s hard to understand why people back then were so daft. It’s so much more costly to stop it now.’‘

That’s why the tattoo has its appeal.
Not that the other side isn’t frustrating. There’s a type of green zealot who appears to relish climate change. Every rise in sea levels is noted excitedly. Every cyclone is applauded and claimed as a noisy, deadly witness for their side.

Suddenly, it’s as if they have the planet’s assistance in their lifelong campaign to bully everyone else into accepting their view of the perfect world. One without any human beings. Except for them. Living in a cave. Wearing an unwashed T-shirt that not only says ‘‘Support wildlife’‘ but actually does.
Is it possible to get the politics out of the climate-change debate? The first step might be to acknowledge the way ideology informs attitudes to climate change on both sides.

People on the left instinctively believe in communal action, the role of government and the efficacy of international agencies such as the UN. They were always going to believe in climate change; it’s the sort of problem that can best be solved using the tools they most enjoy using.
The right tended to be sceptical about climate change from the start and for exactly the same reasons. It’s the sort of problem that requires global, communal action, with governments setting rules. It is a problem that requires tools they instinctively dislike using.

These initial responses to global warming, on both sides, were understandable. But there’s a point in any debate where what you want to believe comes up against what you know to be true; where ideology yields to reality.

Facts that don’t fit one’s world view can be difficult to see. Consider the way the left spent decades ignoring the horrors of Soviet communism, horrors that were obvious to anyone who cared to look from at least the early 1930s. The facts didn’t fit in with the way they wanted to see the world, so they spent decades in denial, looking the other way.

For most of the left, that blindness ended, dramatically, with the invasion of Hungary in 1956: it became impossible not to acknowledge the brutal realities of the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Now it’s the right’s turn to face up to a similar uncomfortable, ideology-challenging moment. Hopefully, they’ll do it a bit quicker than was managed by the left.

Aside from the frothing fringe of the environmental movement, no one is secretly pleased about global warming. We’d all rather it just went away. Who needs to feel guilty about having a long shower, flying to Paris or eating T-bone steak?

Who needs to be worried about their children and grandchildren and the way we are pushing the burdens of our time on to them?

As Cate Blanchett put it this week: ‘‘I can’t look my children in the face if I’m not trying to do something in my small way and to urge other people.’‘

Each generation of people has a job to do; a burden that falls to their time. Sometimes, it’s a war or depression. Sometimes, it’s the work of building the first railways and roads. Sometimes, it’s a plague that wipes out half the population or a fire that destroys a whole city.

Looked at through this lens, our generation has it easy. Already wealthy and armed with new technology, we need to front up to the challenge of building a low-carbon economy.

The tool we’ll use is a carbon tax that seeks to subtly redirect some of our choices. Cut your power bill by more than the compensation offered and you get to keep the change.

Is that really so onerous compared with a depression or war?

Our grandparents didn’t fail us, even though the challenges they faced were so much greater. So why are we in the process of failing to live up to their example?

hhttp://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/the-dangers-of-boneheaded-beliefs-20110602-1fijg.html
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Date: 5/05/2012 09:37:03
From: Ian
ID: 152810
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

The next week this…

A CLIMATE CHANGE WAVE OF HATE

After 25 years writing this column, I’ve had my first experience of an internet hate campaign. So far, more than 2400 people, nearly all American, have emailed me. More emails come every time I hit the send/receive button. About 5 per cent contain threats of violence. Even stranger, quite a few threaten me with sexual violence. They say, in various forms, that they want to rape me.

The only good news: quite a few don’t seem to know the precise location of Sydney. Or Sidney, as some call it. ‘‘You are so out of touch with America, I cannot believe you are published by an American paper,’‘ writes one emailer, having read the story on The Sydney Morning Herald website. Quite a few tell me I should be nervous if I ever try to leave Britain.

Here’s how it started. Last week, in this spot, I wrote a piece about climate change. It was critical of both the left and the right and contained some comic hyperbole about both: that environmental zealots wanted us all to live in caves and that climate-change deniers should tattoo their beliefs on their bodies so they couldn’t later deny their role in preventing action on climate change.

So far, so hum-hum. On Saturday and Sunday, the piece never made it to the Herald’s list of ‘‘most read’‘ opinion pieces. I had nine emails – four of them saying they agreed, five against, but all expressed pleasantly. No one thought the piece was offensive or even that remarkable. The comic hyperbole was seen as, well, comic hyperbole.

Then – sometime Sunday night – a link to the piece was put on a right-wing website in the US, offering me up as another communist trying to ruin the world through the ‘‘hoax’‘ of climate change. The piece started multiplying in cyberspace, mainly on websites dedicated to exposing the leftist conspiracy about climate change.

Suddenly I was the toast of town: about 300,000 people read the piece on smh.com.au between Sunday night and Tuesday morning. I had more readers than anyone else in the Herald. Only problem was: many of them wanted to kill me.

I’m not going to argue that Americans don’t understand irony; American comic writing can be as sophisticated and sarcastic and subtle as that of any country…

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/a-climate-change-wave-of-hate-20110609-1ftix.html

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Date: 5/05/2012 09:55:36
From: Ian
ID: 152815
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

Last year humorist Richard Glover had the temerity to publish this… and has a bit of a dig at both sides or the debate..

THE DANGERS OF BONE-HEADED BELIEFS

Surely it’s time for climate-change deniers to have their opinions forcibly tattooed on their bodies.

Not necessarily on the forehead; I’m a reasonable man. Just something along their arm or across their chest so their grandchildren could say, ‘‘Really? You were one of the ones who tried to stop the world doing something? And why exactly was that, granddad?’‘

On second thoughts, maybe the tattooing along the arm is a bit Nazi-creepy. So how about they are forced to buy property on low-lying islands, the sort of property that will become worthless with a few more centimetres of ocean rise, so they are bankrupted by their own bloody-mindedness? Or what about their signed agreement to stand, in the year 2040, lashed to a pole at a certain point in the shallows off Manly? If they are right and the world is cooling – ‘‘climate change stopped in the year 1998’‘ is one of their more boneheaded beliefs – their mouths will be above water. If not …

OK, maybe the desire to see the painful, thrashing death of one’s opponents is not ideal. But, my God, these people are frustrating. You just know that in 20 years’ time, when the costs of our inaction are clear, the climate deniers will become climate-denial-deniers. ‘‘Who me? Oh, no, I always believed in it. Yes, it’s hard to understand why people back then were so daft. It’s so much more costly to stop it now.’‘

That’s why the tattoo has its appeal.

Not that the other side isn’t frustrating. There’s a type of green zealot who appears to relish climate change. Every rise in sea levels is noted excitedly. Every cyclone is applauded and claimed as a noisy, deadly witness for their side.

Suddenly, it’s as if they have the planet’s assistance in their lifelong campaign to bully everyone else into accepting their view of the perfect world. One without any human beings. Except for them. Living in a cave. Wearing an unwashed T-shirt that not only says ‘‘Support wildlife’‘ but actually does.

Is it possible to get the politics out of the climate-change debate? The first step might be to acknowledge the way ideology informs attitudes to climate change on both sides…

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Date: 5/05/2012 09:57:43
From: Ian
ID: 152816
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

(cont)

People on the left instinctively believe in communal action, the role of government and the efficacy of international agencies such as the UN. They were always going to believe in climate change; it’s the sort of problem that can best be solved using the tools they most enjoy using.

The right tended to be sceptical about climate change from the start and for exactly the same reasons. It’s the sort of problem that requires global, communal action, with governments setting rules. It is a problem that requires tools they instinctively dislike using.
These initial responses to global warming, on both sides, were understandable. But there’s a point in any debate where what you want to believe comes up against what you know to be true; where ideology yields to reality.

Facts that don’t fit one’s world view can be difficult to see. Consider the way the left spent decades ignoring the horrors of Soviet communism, horrors that were obvious to anyone who cared to look from at least the early 1930s. The facts didn’t fit in with the way they wanted to see the world, so they spent decades in denial, looking the other way.

For most of the left, that blindness ended, dramatically, with the invasion of Hungary in 1956: it became impossible not to acknowledge the brutal realities of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Now it’s the right’s turn to face up to a similar uncomfortable, ideology-challenging moment. Hopefully, they’ll do it a bit quicker than was managed by the left.

Aside from the frothing fringe of the environmental movement, no one is secretly pleased about global warming. We’d all rather it just went away. Who needs to feel guilty about having a long shower, flying to Paris or eating T-bone steak?

Who needs to be worried about their children and grandchildren and the way we are pushing the burdens of our time on to them?

As Cate Blanchett put it this week: ‘‘I can’t look my children in the face if I’m not trying to do something in my small way and to urge other people.’‘

Each generation of people has a job to do; a burden that falls to their time. Sometimes, it’s a war or depression. Sometimes, it’s the work of building the first railways and roads. Sometimes, it’s a plague that wipes out half the population or a fire that destroys a whole city.

Looked at through this lens, our generation has it easy. Already wealthy and armed with new technology, we need to front up to the challenge of building a low-carbon economy.

The tool we’ll use is a carbon tax that seeks to subtly redirect some of our choices. Cut your power bill by more than the compensation offered and you get to keep the change.

Is that really so onerous compared with a depression or war?

Our grandparents didn’t fail us, even though the challenges they faced were so much greater. So why are we in the process of failing to live up to their example?

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/the-dangers-of-boneheaded-beliefs-20110602-1fijg.html
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Date: 5/05/2012 09:59:53
From: Ian
ID: 152817
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup
[second post goes fourth.. forget the first..hmmm]
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Date: 5/05/2012 10:05:45
From: Ian
ID: 152818
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

second post goes first..forget the first and that last… mutter..

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Date: 5/05/2012 10:06:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 152819
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

>>Our grandparents didn’t fail us, even though the challenges they faced were so much greater. So why are we in the process of failing to live up to their example?

Well we’re not, there are a lot of good men and women and true who are fighting against tha alarmist obsessive–compulsive disorder that is the faith based belief in AGW.

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Date: 5/05/2012 10:09:35
From: Ian
ID: 152821
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

ha
good un

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Date: 5/05/2012 11:37:12
From: The_observer
ID: 152849
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

Ian;

yes, some environmentalists can rightly be called extremists.

But

Simply being sceptical on the hypothesis of dangerous future climate change does not put that person into the extremist camp.

Only an extremist would suggest otherwise.

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Date: 5/05/2012 11:47:51
From: Ian
ID: 152850
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

The_observer said:


Simply being sceptical on the hypothesis of dangerous future climate change does not put that person into the extremist camp.

I’m sceptical (about 3%) on the hypothesis of dangerous future climate change.

It’s just that my scepticism is in line with what mainstream climate scientists are saying – by about 97 out of 100.

Who’s extremist?

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Date: 5/05/2012 12:00:52
From: The_observer
ID: 152853
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

>>> Who’s extremist? <<

you seem angry

>>> I’m sceptical (about 3%) on the hypothesis of dangerous future climate change <<<

very interesting

>>> It’s just that my scepticism is in line with what mainstream climate scientists are saying – by about 97 out of 100 <<<

97% LOL

The direct effect of co2 is pretty well understood & accepted by most scientists including the sceptical ones.

Where the great uncertainty lies is climate sensitivity – the feedback hypothesis.

In IPCC models water vapour feedback is by far the strongest feedback, & feedback accounts for 2/3 of their best projection.

If water vapour feedback is not positive, or even negative, there is no climate calamity to look forward to.

As the data currently stands, this positive feedback hypothesis is being falsified.

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Date: 5/05/2012 12:29:59
From: morrie
ID: 152859
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

I just don’t know what is wrong with you people. Don’t you realise that the global average temperature for March 2012 is the sixteenth warmest on record!!

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Date: 5/05/2012 12:36:34
From: The_observer
ID: 152860
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

>>> I just don’t know what is wrong with you people. Don’t you realise that the global average temperature for March 2012 is the sixteenth warmest on record!!<<

OMG morrie, its far worse than we thought!

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Date: 5/05/2012 13:19:11
From: Ian
ID: 152872
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

The_observer said:

LOL

The direct effect of co2 is pretty well understood & accepted by most scientists including the sceptical ones.

Where the great uncertainty lies is climate sensitivity – the feedback hypothesis.

In IPCC models water vapour feedback is by far the strongest feedback, & feedback accounts for 2/3 of their best projection.

If water vapour feedback is not positive, or even negative, there is no climate calamity to look forward to.

As the data currently stands, this positive feedback hypothesis is being falsified.

PMSL

You forgot -

It’s the sun.

CO2 lags temperature.

Antarctica is gaining ice.

Glaciers are growing.

It’s cosmic rays.

The models are unreliable.

Anyway the planet’s cooling (or even if the temps are going up it’s because they stupidly stick the thermometers up the jet aeroplane’s tailpipes).

We’re heading into an ice age.

Mars is warming.

It’s a 1500 year cycle.

Polar bear numbers are increasing.

etc etc

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Date: 5/05/2012 14:28:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 152902
Subject: re: Another Climate Beatup

How come no comment about how the report of the beat-up is an even bigger beat-up than the beat-up?

But then what else would we expect from the unsceptical climate change doubter alarmists.

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