Date: 28/05/2012 02:30:41
From: brett
ID: 159125
Subject: How can humans safely get to mars?
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Date: 28/05/2012 02:35:22
From: brett
ID: 159128
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

How do we reduce radiation exposure for astronauts going to mars?

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Date: 28/05/2012 07:16:54
From: Boris
ID: 159136
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

How do we reduce radiation exposure for astronauts going to mars?

actually there will be very little radiation danger. the only danger would be if a solar flare or similar were to impact the spacecraft enroute.

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Date: 28/05/2012 07:52:15
From: Dropbear
ID: 159143
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

Once you’re out of the Van Allen belt it’s just normal cosmic rays until you get to Mars.. But yes, if a solar flare or CME happens, they’d need a safe room to wait it out

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Date: 28/05/2012 13:54:18
From: wookiemeister
ID: 159210
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

don’t go to mars

go to venus

reasoning

it takes less time to get to venus – less time for harmful effects to take their toll

venus has a gravity similar to earth meaning that low gravitational fields won’t take their toll on the body once they are at the next planet like mars

venus has a temp and pressure similar to earth at 50km in the atmosphere 25 deg 1 bar mars doesn’t and never will unless you want to build a large wheel to simulate earth gravity on the surface.

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Date: 28/05/2012 22:30:57
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 159315
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

Project Orion FTW.
A little over a month travel time each way, carry heaps of heavy gear, lots of crew, etc.

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Date: 29/05/2012 22:48:58
From: wookiemeister
ID: 159555
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

the americans had actually planned for a venus flyby using saturn V/ apollo technology but it was never put into operation

the idea was that the empty fuel tank of the rocket would serve as a living quarters for about 6 months, 3 months there , 3 months back.

the crew would presumably have a look at venus as they flew by (not going into orbit)

the idea was that they were trying to prove that longer missions would be possible.

it makes me wonder if you could have a large capsule that descnded to the 50km mark and then pop some parachutes and then some balloons

as for the moon it makes me also wonder if you could use a shuttle type vehicle to go into orbit , drop off a lunar lander, retrieve it with the arm and then fly back to earth and land on a runway rather than ditch into the ocean?? it would certainly be roomier than a tiny capsule for the journey there. you wouldn’t need a huge retrieval process as it would simply glide back to a runway.

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Date: 29/05/2012 22:49:50
From: brett
ID: 159556
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

The US does not have a launcher capable of sending humans to Mars, although the Orion spacecraft, currently under development by NASA, could ferry astronauts from the surface of Earth to join a Mars-bound expedition in Earth orbit and then back to Earth’s surface once the expedition has returned from Mars. NASA has used the Haughton impact crater on Devon Island as a proving ground due to the crater’s similarity with Martian geology. According to New Scientist, an argon plasma-based VASIMR rocket could reduce the transit time to less than 40 days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_mission_to_Mars

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Date: 29/05/2012 23:07:45
From: brett
ID: 159558
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

Last time humans set foot on another world was 40 years ago.

Shame.

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Date: 30/05/2012 11:59:17
From: wookiemeister
ID: 159590
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

brett said:


Last time humans set foot on another world was 40 years ago.

Shame.

on the upside we’ve got “angry birds”

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Date: 30/05/2012 12:17:24
From: Dropbear
ID: 159591
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

last time humans set foot on another world it cost the largest economy in the world 11% of their GDP to do it..

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Date: 30/05/2012 12:20:55
From: Boris
ID: 159593
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

>font color = orange>last time humans set foot on another world it cost the largest economy in the world 11% of their GDP to do it..

and most of their imagination and the reason they’ve backed a few duds.

;-)

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Date: 30/05/2012 12:28:23
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 159594
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

Dropbear said:


last time humans set foot on another world it cost the largest economy in the world 11% of their GDP to do it..

I assume you mean that over the life of the Apollo program, the cost was equivalent to 11% of any one year’s GDP.

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Date: 30/05/2012 13:09:18
From: Dropbear
ID: 159601
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

Witty Rejoinder said:


Dropbear said:

last time humans set foot on another world it cost the largest economy in the world 11% of their GDP to do it..

I assume you mean that over the life of the Apollo program, the cost was equivalent to 11% of any one year’s GDP.

yes

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Date: 30/05/2012 18:46:55
From: wookiemeister
ID: 159627
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

if they had some wits about them the yanks could have made some money out of the deal

they could have continued going to the moon by taking an extra passenger from various countries so that they could claima man on the moon too.

lets say you had somewhere like australia , they could have paid… lets say 100 million or more to get a fellah up there and strolling on the moon

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Date: 30/05/2012 18:54:29
From: wookiemeister
ID: 159630
Subject: re: How can humans safely get to mars?

the space elevator idea will probably be the cheapest way to get into orbit and build a spacraft for mars but the cost would be enormous

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