HI GUYS Having trouble with a definition of full supervision :)

Looks like you’re having a bit of trouble spelling definition too Rob ;-)

Most models use a span of control of 5 people.

robadob, the email addy I have to contact you no longer works, can you please send me your new one, thanks.

Looks like you’re having a bit of trouble spelling definition too Rob ;-)

DAM YOU SPELL CHECK

:)

Most models use a span of control of 5 people.

COOL but can some one be under full supervision , if the person supervising in not there?

like, could some one be under full supervision if you cant see them?

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robadob said:

Looks like you’re having a bit of trouble spelling definition too Rob ;-)

DAM YOU SPELL CHECK

:)

DAMN

robadob said:

but can some one be under full supervision , if the person supervising in not there?

like, could some one be under full supervision if you cant see them?

No.

Rule 303 said:

robadob said:

but can some one be under full supervision , if the person supervising in not there?

like, could some one be under full supervision if you cant see them?

No.

What if you use one of those baby monitors?

Skeptic Pete said:

What if you use one of those baby monitors?

Yes!

(by yes, I mean no)

>DAMN

Ah, the hex of recursive pedantry strikes again :

Rule 303 said:

robadob said:

but can some one be under full supervision , if the person supervising in not there?

like, could some one be under full supervision if you cant see them?

No.

AS I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT BUT, CAN FIND NO DEFINITION TO SUPPORT THIS :(

I imagine there are various definitions of “full supervision” across different industry standards. The crux comes to a court of law when you need to demonstrate that the person was being supervised and the degree and the mechanisms. A search over ADli with those search terms might help. Or you might need to speak to legal if it is a critical inclusion which is what it sounds like it is.

I sometime think the forum is a source of written authority for various safety policys in remote mine sites and think Robadob should anchor his advice on some credible authority which he should now have the resources to access other than anonymous advice and consensus from a random web site.

robadob said:

AS I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT BUT, CAN FIND NO DEFINITION TO SUPPORT THIS :(

Have you hunter for the ‘Definitions’ or ‘Dictionary’ section in the Regs?

I sometime think the forum is a source of written authority for various safety policys in remote mine sites and think Robadob should anchor his advice on some credible authority which he should now have the resources to access other than anonymous advice and consensus from a random web site.

well said

as you should be aware i use all avenues that could give me an advantage.

Rob, if you can’t find anything specific, you can use something like this:

Span of Control:

The number of subordinates that a manager or supervisor can directly control. This number varies with the type of work: complex, variable work reduces it to six, whereas routine, fixed work increases it to twenty or more.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/span-of-control.html

And build you case (for the number of people) according to the complexity of the task and/or discussion of any unusual needs that increase supervision required.

Rule 303 said:

robadob said:

AS I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT BUT, CAN FIND NO DEFINITION TO SUPPORT THIS :(

Have you hunter for the ‘Definitions’ or ‘Dictionary’ section in the Regs?

its not in there :(

dictionary only states things like
“to direct – oversee operations”

Rule 303 said:

robadob said:

AS I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT BUT, CAN FIND NO DEFINITION TO SUPPORT THIS :(

Have you hunter for the ‘Definitions’ or ‘Dictionary’ section in the Regs?

Think of the responsibilities as per the Learner driver and their supervisor.

The L plate driver cannot be driving without a supervisor in the car. The supervisor takes the brunt of the responsibility in that the supervisor cannot be inattentive or drunk.

Skunkworks said:

think Robadob should anchor his advice on some credible authority which he should now have the resources to access other than anonymous advice and consensus from a random web site.

But heavy-handed, innit?

I have not seen any evidence that Rob does that.

ruffy :)

cool
examples help define defonition

:)

Rule 303 said:

Skunkworks said:

think Robadob should anchor his advice on some credible authority which he should now have the resources to access other than anonymous advice and consensus from a random web site.

But heavy-handed, innit?

I have not seen any evidence that Rob does that.

it’s cool
it’s skunk and we know how he works :)

Rule 303 said:

Skunkworks said:

think Robadob should anchor his advice on some credible authority which he should now have the resources to access other than anonymous advice and consensus from a random web site.

But heavy-handed, innit?

I have not seen any evidence that Rob does that.

Just saying, writing policy (especially safety where presumably life, limb or sanity is at risk. based on advice from anonymous people on the net is likely to lead to tears. Which is why my advice was to anchor policy on advise from a credible authority.

i wouldn’t worry too much about it

full supervision exists in the pages of books or pdf files

in reality it never happens

There’s a pretty good discussion of the complexities and some different approaches on the Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Span_of_control

Just saying, writing policy (especially safety where presumably life, limb or sanity is at risk. based on advice from anonymous people on the net is likely to lead to tears. Which is why my advice was to anchor policy on advise from a credible authority.

or you are just a pool of information that can be used as leads to find a more clear definition or examples to which one could use as a strong base to support an idea or argument

wookiemeister said:

i wouldn’t worry too much about it

full supervision exists in the pages of books or pdf files

in reality it never happens

Blokes who have to work on nuclear ICBMS use a buddy team where nothing happens without someone watching. I have heard the same thing about mechanics working on the Prez plane. Of course then there is human nature which is what tehy are trying to mitigate against, but still intrudes.

robadob said:

or you are just a pool of information that can be used as leads to find a more clear definition or examples to which one could use as a strong base to support an idea or argument

That would be good and hopefully happening. No good trusting the nutters and nobbers like curve around here.

Skunkworks said:

robadob said:

or you are just a pool of information that can be used as leads to find a more clear definition or examples to which one could use as a strong base to support an idea or argument

That would be good and hopefully happening. No good trusting the nutters and nobbers like curve around here.

Lolz, thanks.

Best laugh I’ve had all day :)

a driver that has held a license for 2 years can supervise ………..

:)