Holidayers, let us support or brothers and sisters across the sea.
Let us declare as one that we will never assist any aspect of the Olympic games until we have all our personal needs met and grievances settled!

morrie said:

Holidayers, let us support or brothers and sisters across the sea.
Let us declare as one that we will never assist any aspect of the Olympic games until we have all our personal needs met and grievances settled!

in the olympics

wars were meant to stop

in ancient times that is

morrie said:

Holidayers, let us support or brothers and sisters across the sea.
Let us declare as one that we will never assist any aspect of the Olympic games until we have all our personal needs met and grievances settled!

in the olympics

wars were meant to stop

in ancient times that is

Tell us more, Comrade.

Rule 303 said:

Tell us more, Comrade.

I like your spirit!

We need a manifesto. Who can we call on?

anyone ever read the communist manifesto?

i have a copy of and read it but never really saw what the fuss was about

considering that he was some great mind it was an abysmal job of persuading the masses of communism

i wonder if marx could have foretold of the misery he was going to unleash on the world? its like most things of that ilk, the author’s words get twisted and people start being killed.

anyone ever read the communist manifesto?

i have a copy of and read it but never really saw what the fuss was about

considering that he was some great mind it was an abysmal job of persuading the masses of communism

i wonder if marx could have foretold of the misery he was going to unleash on the world? its like most things of that ilk, the author’s words get twisted and people start being killed.

morrie said:

Rule 303 said:

Tell us more, Comrade.

I like your spirit!

We need a manifesto. Who can we call on?

i wonder

would it matter if this manifesto was cobbled together from stuff from the newspaper and television?

morrie said:

We need a manifesto. Who can we call on?

Pretty much anyone named Karl, Kieren or Dylan.

The CIA are reposting them as they read them, Wookie.

wookiemeister said:

morrie said:

Rule 303 said:

Tell us more, Comrade.

I like your spirit!

We need a manifesto. Who can we call on?

i wonder

he said MANifesto.. not wookiefesto

wookiemeister said:

would it matter if this manifesto was cobbled together from stuff from the newspaper and television?

Yep we want all our grievances repaired.. we don’t want to know about other peoples.

wookiemeister said:

anyone ever read the communist manifesto?

:Raises hand:

Have you read any of Marx’s or Engels’ other stuff?

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

morrie said:

I like your spirit!

We need a manifesto. Who can we call on?

i wonder

he said MANifesto.. not wookiefesto

A wookiefesto would be fine, I think.

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

i wonder

he said MANifesto.. not wookiefesto

A wookiefesto would be fine, I think.

Probably.

Rule 303 said:

wookiemeister said:

anyone ever read the communist manifesto?

:Raises hand:

Have you read any of Marx’s or Engels’ other stuff?

i didn’t know there was earlier stuff

the manifesto was a dry read

i should have a look at mein kampf/ das capital but will it tell me anymore than what i know already

i already know how the economic and social system works i’m not sure if marx could tell me more

chomsky is alright but he meanders a little and waffles on without getting to the point quickly

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

i wonder

he said MANifesto.. not wookiefesto

A wookiefesto would be fine, I think.

right then

now i’ve been proclaimed “dear leader” who do we shoot first?

wookiemeister said:

i already know how the economic and social system works i’m not sure if marx could tell me more

*giggles *

wookiemeister said:

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

he said MANifesto.. not wookiefesto

A wookiefesto would be fine, I think.

right then

now i’ve been proclaimed “dear leader” who do we shoot first?

Someone of the South Korean persuasion would seem to be indicated.

morrie said:

Let us declare as one that we will never assist any aspect of the Olympic games until we have all our personal needs met and grievances settled!

Hey? Can’t I still have a perve at the beach volleyballers?

anyone ever read the communist manifesto?

—-

Not me.

Had enough trouble dealing with Friedman and Keynes.

How about the Red Book, what is that like? I hada read of Gaddafis green way or whatever it was credo.

Wookie, I would begin with The Condition of the Working Class in England 1844 as a better point of entry because it gives the reader the context and establishes the need and, although it’s obviously looking at the events it describes through the same ‘lens’, it’s not ramming a political theory down your neck.

Engels does good documentary and the conditions he describes are no less relevant today.

>Holidayers, let us support or brothers and sisters across the sea.

Fuck the Kiwis, I’m having nothing to do with this!

wookiemeister said:

now i’ve been proclaimed “dear leader” who do we shoot first?

Tory Rabbit, obviously.

Probably the best economics book is still Wealth of Nations. I have not read it but I have read PJ O’Rourkes book report about it.

party_pants said:

morrie said:

Let us declare as one that we will never assist any aspect of the Olympic games until we have all our personal needs met and grievances settled!

Hey? Can’t I still have a perve at the beach volleyballers?

wrings hands in despair

sibeen said:

Holidayers, let us support or brothers and sisters across the sea.

Fuck the Kiwis, I’m having nothing to do with this!

Damn, I thought he meant me (reading ‘sea’ as ‘bay’ there).

>anyone ever read the communist manifesto?

Not here, but I listen to quite a bit of Billy Bragg and have his version of The Internationale.

sibeen said:

>Holidayers, let us support or brothers and sisters across the sea.

Fuck the Kiwis, I’m having nothing to do with this!

pfft. You’ve got so many brothers and sisters you wouldn’t know where they were!

>Probably the best economics book is still Wealth of Nations.

grabs for popcorn

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

i already know how the economic and social system works i’m not sure if marx could tell me more

*giggles *

marx DIED IN POVERTY

how did his intelligence work out for him?

>
pfft. You’ve got so many brothers and sisters you wouldn’t know where they were!

Actually, true dinks, my youngest sister just moved back a few months ago, with her Irish husband, after about 15 years in Dublin. An economic refugee if I’ve ever seen one.

First time in about 20 years that all my brothers ans sisters have been in the one country.

brett said:

anyone ever read the communist manifesto?

—-

Not me.

Had enough trouble dealing with Friedman and Keynes.

afaik

friedman – right wing nut job into privatisation and breaking down the state by hollowing it out – disciple thatcher who went on to do more damage than any british leader in its history

keynes – liked massive handouts to “kickstart” the economy without understanding how society worked at the practical level. kickstarts have never worked. just ask the americans.

Rule 303 said:

Wookie, I would begin with The Condition of the Working Class in England 1844 as a better point of entry because it gives the reader the context and establishes the need and, although it’s obviously looking at the events it describes through the same ‘lens’, it’s not ramming a political theory down your neck.

Engels does good documentary and the conditions he describes are no less relevant today.

i’ll have a look

perosnally i prefer orwell because he gets down and dirty with the plebs to tell it like it is

sibeen said:

>
Actually, true dinks, my youngest sister just moved back a few months ago, with her Irish husband, after about 15 years in Dublin. An economic refugee if I’ve ever seen one.

Yeah, ny dads brother has gone from holidays in Spain to wondering where all his money went. He was involved in kitchen building and renovations and was doing better than ok.

Skunkworks said:

Probably the best economics book is still Wealth of Nations. I have not read it but I have read PJ O’Rourkes book report about it.

I have read it. But a long time ago.

Skunkworks said:

Probably the best economics book is still Wealth of Nations. I have not read it but I have read PJ O’Rourkes book report about it.

adam smith

the hidden hand?

Skunkworks said:

Probably the best economics book is still Wealth of Nations. I have not read it but I have read PJ O’Rourkes book report about it.

Are you talking about the far right-wing economist and author of ‘All the Trouble in the World’ O’Rourke?

Hmmm…

sibeen said:

>anyone ever read the communist manifesto?

Not here, but I listen to quite a bit of Billy Bragg and have his version of The Internationale.

that silly old hypocritical twat?

my other half has his stuff

i refuse to listen to it – its garbage

sibeen said:

>
pfft. You’ve got so many brothers and sisters you wouldn’t know where they were!

Actually, true dinks, my youngest sister just moved back a few months ago, with her Irish husband, after about 15 years in Dublin. An economic refugee if I’ve ever seen one.

First time in about 20 years that all my brothers ans sisters have been in the one country.

We could use someone with a strong accent for this campaign.

sibeen said:

>
pfft. You’ve got so many brothers and sisters you wouldn’t know where they were!

Actually, true dinks, my youngest sister just moved back a few months ago, with her Irish husband, after about 15 years in Dublin. An economic refugee if I’ve ever seen one.

First time in about 20 years that all my brothers ans sisters have been in the one country.

looks as if you’ll be sharing the bathwater from now on

>We could use someone with a strong accent for this campaign.

Ooo, my old mans from Northern Ireland. He’s been here since ’58 and is still barely comprehensible. Will he do?

orwell describes how a family has to share bathwater

wookiemeister said:

i prefer orwell because he gets down and dirty with the plebs to tell it like it is

No-one does that like Engels. He gives us an authentic and very well supported view into the slums of London right at the peak of the Industrial Revolution. It’ll change your life.

we could hire ian paisley to read the holiday manifesto

sibeen said:

>We could use someone with a strong accent for this campaign.

Ooo, my old mans from Northern Ireland. He’s been here since ’58 and is still barely comprehensible. Will he do?

Sounds perfect. I’ll see if I can organise some radio spots for him.
Can he read?

>orwell describes how a family has to share bathwater

Jaysus, all those books of his and he only gets around to one salient point.

wookiemeister said:

we could hire ian paisley to read the holiday manifesto

I thought he was dead?
Appearances can be deceiving though.

i would decree that all all dogs be given amusing names

eg

angus mcsparkles alot

lady flappington

professor shakeybrain

anyone going against this decree would be severerly punished

wookiemeister said:

i refuse to listen to it – its garbage

As I’m sure Michael Moore would tell you – There’s no acclaim to be had in giving the left what they really need.

;-)

Rule 303 said:

Skunkworks said:

Probably the best economics book is still Wealth of Nations. I have not read it but I have read PJ O’Rourkes book report about it.

Are you talking about the far right-wing economist and author of ‘All the Trouble in the World’ O’Rourke?

Hmmm…

Thats him.

I’m too scared to read much more of this thread. I declare that you are all bonkers to the nth degree!

i was thinking about communism today

it never worked because human nature doesn’t allow it

nowadays communism is taken up by various jerkoffs of the middle class trying to bignote themselves and talk about the vanguard and lenin etc. i’ve listened to the communists in sydney its all a load of crap

i was effectively kicked out of the communists meetings at UTS at lunchtime because i dared to eat my meat pies there and pass the very occassional comment on what the leader was talkign about. i couldn’t bear to sit playing cards at the tafe so i looked for something more interesting – they might have the food coop there if anyones interested.

the closest to communism you’ll find is the kibbutz

Skunkworks said:

Thats him.

Heh…. And they try’n tell ya d’adversity don’t make fer strange bedfellers.

;-)

sibeen said:

>orwell describes how a family has to share bathwater

Jaysus, all those books of his and he only gets around to one salient point.

When my Mum went back to N. Ireland about a decade or so ago to visit her old school friend, they installed a shower in the house especially for her. Her friend had a bath once a week if she needed it.

The were all teetotal too. Poor Mum was at her wits end when she discovered a bottle of whisky in a cardboard box under the sink; an ancient present, unused. So she consumed it a dram at a time over a couple of weeks, leaving the empty bottle in the box for someone to discover in the course of time to wonder about.

wookiemeister said:

i was thinking about communism today

it never worked because human nature doesn’t allow it

nowadays communism is taken up by various jerkoffs of the middle class trying to bignote themselves and talk about the vanguard and lenin etc. i’ve listened to the communists in sydney its all a load of crap

i was effectively kicked out of the communists meetings at UTS at lunchtime because i dared to eat my meat pies there and pass the very occassional comment on what the leader was talkign about. i couldn’t bear to sit playing cards at the tafe so i looked for something more interesting – they might have the food coop there if anyones interested.

the closest to communism you’ll find is the kibbutz

or the armed forces

think about it

free dental

free medical

subsidies, handouts, they even pay for your accommodation and are still handing out money to relatives long after you are dead

its a sweet deal as long you aren’t fighting a real war

>Can he read?

Is that a slur?

Beggorah, this man had the finest education that could be provided to a young man whose father cut peat for a living, was the youngest child in a family of 12 sprogs, and was of course of the landholding katolics…it’s a shame he never ended up up fucking Oxford…reading latin and greek.

The above is all true, and it wasn’t until I traveled through Northern Ireland and saw what a shithole it is, and what a crap upbringing he had, that I realised that he may have been a hard bastard when I was growing up but by hell I had it swimming in clover and honey compared to him.

I have an Irish mate here. I called him today to organise one of his machines to do some stuff for me. What does he do? He has a peat business!

wookiemeister said:

the closest to communism you’ll find is the kibbutz

Why do you think that is?

By coincidence, I found myself pondering today that the organisation of provisions is something men (and yes, I mean men) seem to do very very well up until the whole operation becomes too big for one person to hold in their head, beyond which it bogs down in bureaucracy very quickly and never achieves the same economy of scale again.

I find myself wondering now whether we might be talking about problems of scale.

was thinking about communism today

——

They never allowed COMPETITION.

Morrie, there is something quite comforting sitting in front of a peat fire and sipping on a pint of guinness. Just don’t ask me to cut and dry the bloody peat :)

wookiemeister said:

its a sweet deal as long you aren’t fighting a real war

See, this is exactly what I was thinking. The army, as an example of a mob of blokes getting together and provisioning themselves, would never enter into the kind of lunacy that could result in a small family owning 176 pairs of socks. But then, they develop a bureaucracy…

sibeen said:

>Can he read?

Is that a slur?

Not by intention.

>Not by intention.

Morrie, I would have thought that the second word used in that post would have given away my intent :)

sibeen said:

Morrie, there is something quite comforting sitting in front of a peat fire and sipping on a pint of guinness. Just don’t ask me to cut and dry the bloody peat :)

Sounds lovely. I would like to visit Ireland one day.

wookiemeister said:

subsidies, handouts, they even pay for your accommodation and are still handing out money to relatives long after you are dead

its a sweet deal as long you aren’t fighting a real war

Thats outrageous. You have to pay for your own accommodation. Though fair to say in some postings it is subsidized, but then again, if it wasnt the blokes you want working for you on junior wages cannot live there. True story, an American airmen in Lubyanka after his release tried to claim a Moscow allowance as defacto compensation. It was disallowed because whilst staying in the Soviet Union, rations and quarters were supplied.

sibeen said:

>Can he read?

Is that a slur?

Dad was born in a family that was so poor even know he suffers some food anxiety, for example, he will want to know in the morning what is for dinner. Small sign.

But even with a family so poor he had a great education provided by nuns free of charge. Knows formulas and conversions, tables etc out the ying yang.

sibeen said:

>Holidayers, let us support or brothers and sisters across the sea.

Fuck the Kiwis, I’m having nothing to do with this!

me no sheep.

now not know.

Curve, true story. In ’79 I was a young first year apprentice at Balcombe.

The army got a pay rise and we were cock-a-hoop over the extra money. From memory we were getting about $93 in hand a fortnight.

Turned up to the next pay parade and they gave us $91. WTF? Rations and quarters had been put up at the same time, and that wasn’t by a percentage.

Not happy Jan, was the typical response :)

sibeen said:

Not happy Jan, was the typical response :)

Remember those pay shenanigans. I remember some of the trades, especially plant used to get hit with that. One of the benefits of bush, not paying R&Q. Wookie should also know they pay tax which is another myth.

My mother grew up in N. Ireland without a father. He died in 1918, from the Spanish flu as far as I can work out. I think it was a tough life and explains some of her outlook in later life.

The Australian Olympic team says it is not concerned that Prime Minister Julia Gillard will not attend the London 2012 Games.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/aussie-team-unfazed-by-pm27s-no-show/4157878

Yeah, I’m sure that was what most of them were thinking before they left for London.

“Ooo, will Julia get to see me”?

sibeen said:

Turned up to the next pay parade and they gave us $91. WTF? Rations and quarters had been put up at the same time, and that wasn’t by a percentage.

I was early enough in to remember the pay parades getting our money then running the gauntlet of donations to various organisations with the Sally man first.

meh, I think I’ll watch the Olympics.

Rule 303 said:

wookiemeister said:

its a sweet deal as long you aren’t fighting a real war

See, this is exactly what I was thinking. The army, as an example of a mob of blokes getting together and provisioning themselves, would never enter into the kind of lunacy that could result in a small family owning 176 pairs of socks. But then, they develop a bureaucracy…

well in the end they aren’t buying photocopiers and computers to “organise” things

the last things they need now are self propelled guns and modern weaponary

from what i’ve seen it seems to be comprised of fellahs behind desks , people who sit around complaining about their wages and getting all shitty about it and well meaning fools (who are obviously new to the whole thing)

Do we have grievances?

dv said:

Do we have grievances?

forget the lympix.. forhget the grievance.. why for you wurry brutha?

surely you don’t fear my “know no live witnesses policy” ?

dv said:

Do we have grievances?

Yes, No bloody locked threads, for a start.