Date: 30/07/2012 09:48:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 180878
Subject: Curious Leap of Faith

How they ever sold this to the bean counters is beyond me.
As the dude in the video says they take a great leap of faith and cut loose the parachute and pray to some great Mufti that the rockets will work, all of them.
Anyway the countdown is reaching a climax, only six days more of foreplay.

I think they are dreaming but I wish them good luck, they are going to need it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18933037

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Date: 30/07/2012 09:53:45
From: Boris
ID: 180880
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

they’ve done rocket descents before on mars. the trick is to get the chute to jettison as well. and also for the winch thingo to work. should all go smoothly.

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Date: 30/07/2012 09:56:32
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 180883
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

>>should all go smoothly.

Smoothly my arse.

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Date: 30/07/2012 10:39:53
From: Dropbear
ID: 180889
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

Boris said:


they’ve done rocket descents before on mars. the trick is to get the chute to jettison as well. and also for the winch thingo to work. should all go smoothly.

beachballs for the win

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Date: 30/07/2012 11:48:30
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 180895
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

Sounds like they gave the design spec to pre-school children after spikeing their milk with LSD, good luck with that.

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Date: 30/07/2012 11:52:02
From: Boris
ID: 180896
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

well i, and no doubt that i speak for everyone here, hope they do well. anyway as long as they beat those pesky chinese that is all that matters.

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Date: 30/07/2012 14:24:30
From: Bubble Car
ID: 180921
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

So how many “single point failures” are built into this mission, and what odds are they giving themselves? A detailed post-mortem analysis of the Beagle mission gave it only a 50-50 chance of safely landing, so it’s not surprising it didn’t.

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Date: 31/07/2012 18:53:27
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 181333
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

So who thinks this batshit crazy landing system is going to work, time to get off the fence and commit your prediction to print.

Will it succeed? Yes or No.

I am entering No.

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Date: 31/07/2012 18:55:07
From: Boris
ID: 181334
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

yes, a resounding success.

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Date: 31/07/2012 18:55:50
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 181335
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

I think it will work. It’s no more complex than the rockets used to gently land the Apollo missions on the Moon’s surface.

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Date: 31/07/2012 18:57:09
From: poikilotherm
ID: 181336
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

+1 yes.




What we talking about?

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Date: 31/07/2012 19:02:07
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 181337
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

poikilotherm said:


What we talking about?

PWM has got himself into a tis again. This time it’s the Mars Curiosity Lander.

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Date: 31/07/2012 19:11:17
From: poikilotherm
ID: 181338
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

Ah, thought Pete must be trying to moor his boat …

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Date: 31/07/2012 19:13:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 181339
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

I’d like to see which way the elusive DV is going to vote.

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Date: 31/07/2012 19:16:30
From: Neophyte
ID: 181340
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

>>PWM has got himself into a tis again. This time it’s the Mars Curiosity Lander.

They should have had Deane and Rob on board to explain the complex bits.

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Date: 31/07/2012 19:17:21
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 181341
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

By the time they get the signal at the central missionary position that Curiosity is starting it’s landing sequence it will be on the surface, in pieces with just a little whisp of smoke and dust coming up like Wylie Coyote.

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Date: 31/07/2012 19:27:23
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 181342
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

It’s got as much chance of landing intact as Björn Sven Magnuson has of winning gold.

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Date: 2/08/2012 09:20:02
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 181814
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

Three days to crash down.

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Date: 3/08/2012 12:25:31
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 182455
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

dust storm on Mars and a minor wobble in the spacecraft’s trajectory have given scientists something to think about, but leaders of NASA’s Curiosity mission said Thursday that they are on track for a Sunday landing — the delivery of the largest and most ambitious machine ever sent to another planet.

“Things are almost too quiet,” Pete Theisinger, the mission’s project manager, said Thursday at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in La Cañada Flintridge as Curiosity barreled toward Mars at 7,987 mph. “I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop.”

Curiosity, a roving lab that will scour Mars for the ingredients of life, is scheduled to land at 10:31 PDT Sunday in an ancient geological feature known as the Gale Crater. It is a complex operation. At 1,982 pounds, Curiosity is five times heavier than previous Mars rovers. Its landing requires a dizzying sequence of pyrotechnics and on-the-fly adjustment, all done automatically because Mars is 154 million miles distant, too far for the swift communication needed to guide the landing from Earth.

At a briefing Thursday, scientists said satellites had discovered a dust storm swirling south of Gale Crater. Earlier this week, the storm was more than 600 miles from Curiosity’s landing site but large enough that it could kick up a pesky cloud of dust.

In theory, that could affect the accuracy of Curiosity’s landing mechanism, but scientists said the craft had been engineered to guard against nasty weather and that storms like this are common and typically dissipate in a day or two. To pose a real threat, Theisinger said, “it would have to be the great-grandmother of all dust storms.”

Scientists also determined in recent weeks that Curiosity was on course to hit the Martian atmosphere about 13 miles east of the optimal “entry point.” Last weekend, they conducted a routine trajectory correction — a “burn,” in pop-science parlance. The operation was a success, but imperfect. The spacecraft’s new trajectory will send it into the Martian atmosphere at a point roughly 3,000 feet from where scientists had planned after the correction.

However, Curiosity’s landing target is an ellipse of land 12 miles wide, allowing for considerable wiggle room. What’s more, the craft has been equipped with a self-correcting navigation system called “guided entry” — thrusters that can correct miles’ worth of error in trajectory.

Adam Steltzner, a leader of the JPL team overseeing the spacecraft’s landing, said an error of just 3,000 feet could easily be “flown out” — absorbed by the sophisticated navigation system. Scientists have two other opportunities for corrective “burns,” but said it was unlikely they would use them.
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So Sunday 10.31 PDT, I’ll have to use an online converter to work out Australian time so we can follow the sequence of the crash live.

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Date: 3/08/2012 12:30:38
From: Boris
ID: 182456
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

I’ll have to use an online converter to work out Australian time so we can follow the sequence of the crash live.

do landers going through the mars atmosphere suffer the same radio blackout, due to the plasma produced by reentry, as do earth bound craft?

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Date: 3/08/2012 12:57:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 182459
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

>>do landers going through the mars atmosphere suffer the same radio blackout, due to the plasma produced by reentry, as do earth bound craft?

Yep.

10.31 AM PDT works out to be 5.30 PM GMT which is 3.30 AM Australian Eastern Time, I’ll have to set the alarm if I want to listen to the crash.

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Date: 3/08/2012 13:02:18
From: Boris
ID: 182460
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

will it be an ares shattering KABOOM?

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Date: 3/08/2012 13:06:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 182461
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

>>will it be an ares shattering KABOOM?

You know how when Wylie Coyote falls off a mountain and he hits the barren desert floor hundreds of metres below and you just hear a slight distant plop followed by a small cloud of dust well that’s how it’ll probably be but we’ll never know for sure.

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Date: 4/08/2012 21:40:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 183309
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

Not long now.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/index.html

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Date: 4/08/2012 21:42:08
From: Dropbear
ID: 183312
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

Is it Monday morning our time?

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Date: 4/08/2012 21:43:21
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 183313
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

Looks like monday arvo our time from that NASA countdown, just using adding that raw time to our current time.

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Date: 5/08/2012 15:09:28
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 183430
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

With a tick over 24 hours to entry they are starting to make some preperation.

“With Mars looming ever larger in front of it, NASA’s Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft and its Curiosity rover are in the final stages of preparing for entry, descent and landing on the Red Planet at 10:31 p.m. PDT Aug. 5 (1:31 a.m. EDT Aug. 6). Curiosity remains in good health with all systems operating as expected. Today, the flight team uplinked and confirmed commands to make minor corrections to the spacecraft’s navigation reference point parameters. This afternoon, as part of the onboard sequence of autonomous activities leading to the landing, catalyst bed heaters are being turned on to prepare the eight Mars Lander Engines that are part of MSL’s descent propulsion system. As of 2:25 p.m. PDT (5:25 p.m. EDT), MSL was approximately 261,000 miles (420,039 kilometers) from Mars, closing in at a little more than 8,000 mph (about 3,600 meters per second).”

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Date: 5/08/2012 16:16:47
From: sibeen
ID: 183472
Subject: re: Curious Leap of Faith

I’m nor sure why PWM is so pessimistic about this mission.

It’s no rocket science, FFS!

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