Date: 1/08/2012 17:33:06
From: Skunkworks
ID: 181613
Subject: Silly car questions

If you drain the oil and replace it with petrol what is likely to happen when you restart the engine.

With a manual, especially on below zero mornings, does depressing the clutch with the car in neutral assist in starting by reducing strain on the slow chemical process of the cold battery and the viscosity of cold oil combined?

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Date: 1/08/2012 17:38:43
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 181619
Subject: re: Silly car questions

Skunkworks said:


If you drain the oil and replace it with petrol what is likely to happen when you restart the engine.

I think it would overheat.

And yes I think depressing the clutch would relieve some of the load on the starter motor and battery.

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Date: 1/08/2012 17:40:42
From: Boris
ID: 181620
Subject: re: Silly car questions

If you drain the oil and replace it with petrol what is likely to happen when you restart the engine.

there would be a fire risk i guess but once the engine started the petrol would lubricate the cylinder walls and you’d probably seize the motor.

pushing the clutch in will disengage one shaft with gears in the gear box. slight inertial reduction .

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Date: 1/08/2012 17:43:34
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 181623
Subject: re: Silly car questions

Boris said:

pushing the clutch in will disengage one shaft with gears in the gear box. slight inertial reduction .

Wot I sed ;-)

Slight inertial reduction…

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Date: 1/08/2012 17:43:59
From: Boris
ID: 181625
Subject: re: Silly car questions

would should be wouldn’t.

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Date: 1/08/2012 17:45:32
From: Boris
ID: 181627
Subject: re: Silly car questions

i was backing you up with techno sounding references.

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:29:54
From: Kingy
ID: 181707
Subject: re: Silly car questions

>>If you drain the oil and replace it with petrol what is likely to happen when you restart the engine.<<

A VERY BIG BANG!

When Holden were first developing fuel injection, they fitted a crude version to a 308 V8 in their dyno room. During the attempt to start it, they unknowingly flooded it, a lot. Petrol washed down around the rings and into the sump. When the engine finally fired up, it ignited the fuel in the sump, detonated the engine block and blew the shit out of the dyno room.

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:32:18
From: Kingy
ID: 181708
Subject: re: Silly car questions

>>With a manual, especially on below zero mornings, does depressing the clutch with the car in neutral assist in starting by reducing strain on the slow chemical process of the cold battery and the viscosity of cold oil combined?<<

Yes, but only a tiny amount.

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:37:33
From: morrie
ID: 181712
Subject: re: Silly car questions

Kingy said:


>>If you drain the oil and replace it with petrol what is likely to happen when you restart the engine.<<

A VERY BIG BANG!

When Holden were first developing fuel injection, they fitted a crude version to a 308 V8 in their dyno room. During the attempt to start it, they unknowingly flooded it, a lot. Petrol washed down around the rings and into the sump. When the engine finally fired up, it ignited the fuel in the sump, detonated the engine block and blew the shit out of the dyno room.


It is not so bad with diesel motors though. When I was a kid I had a job testing the oil from the bus fleet in Sydney. Some of those buses were running with oil that was mostly fuel. I don’t think any of them ever blew up, but the motors must have been in very bad shape.

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:41:08
From: wookiemeister
ID: 181713
Subject: re: Silly car questions

i wonder if you could throw a big space age blanket over the car to keep the warmth in over night?

imagine if you had an inflatable cover all silvery et and you drove in

you could have some plywood on the floor

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:43:45
From: party_pants
ID: 181714
Subject: re: Silly car questions

wookiemeister said:


i wonder if you could throw a big space age blanket over the car to keep the warmth in over night?

imagine if you had an inflatable cover all silvery et and you drove in

you could have some plywood on the floor


South Africans would just park it in a grudge. An insulated grudge.

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:44:30
From: brett
ID: 181715
Subject: re: Silly car questions

Who would replace engine oil with petrol?

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:44:32
From: wookiemeister
ID: 181717
Subject: re: Silly car questions

morrie said:


Kingy said:

>>If you drain the oil and replace it with petrol what is likely to happen when you restart the engine.<<

A VERY BIG BANG!

When Holden were first developing fuel injection, they fitted a crude version to a 308 V8 in their dyno room. During the attempt to start it, they unknowingly flooded it, a lot. Petrol washed down around the rings and into the sump. When the engine finally fired up, it ignited the fuel in the sump, detonated the engine block and blew the shit out of the dyno room.


It is not so bad with diesel motors though. When I was a kid I had a job testing the oil from the bus fleet in Sydney. Some of those buses were running with oil that was mostly fuel. I don’t think any of them ever blew up, but the motors must have been in very bad shape.


i had a beetle and had taken it to a vw place , i collected the keys and then saw one of the mechanics take a big handful of grease and push it into the tube where you pour the oil.

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:46:34
From: Stealth
ID: 181718
Subject: re: Silly car questions

wookiemeister said:


i wonder if you could throw a big space age blanket over the car to keep the warmth in over night?

imagine if you had an inflatable cover all silvery et and you drove in

you could have some plywood on the floor


Very cold areas have plug-in warmers for the cars.

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:49:05
From: party_pants
ID: 181720
Subject: re: Silly car questions

brett said:


Who would replace engine oil with petrol?

My mate’s mum managed to check the water in her car and fill the rocker cover to the brim with the garden hose. I can imagine her doing something like that.

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:50:23
From: morrie
ID: 181722
Subject: re: Silly car questions

wookiemeister said:


i wonder if you could throw a big space age blanket over the car to keep the warmth in over night?

imagine if you had an inflatable cover all silvery et and you drove in

you could have some plywood on the floor


In Canada and other cold places, people plug the car into the electrical power grid overnight to keep the block from freezing. Motels provide power leads for this purpose.

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:50:28
From: wookiemeister
ID: 181723
Subject: re: Silly car questions

Stealth said:


wookiemeister said:

i wonder if you could throw a big space age blanket over the car to keep the warmth in over night?

imagine if you had an inflatable cover all silvery et and you drove in

you could have some plywood on the floor


Very cold areas have plug-in warmers for the cars.


ok what about this

you build a big plywood box and then put a layer of cheap insulation on it then top it off with some space blanket (mylar)

the doors get closed and the heat of the engine keeps the car warm over night rather than relying on a powersource to do it

the floor is raised from the dirt/concrete by beams and a thick sheet of plywood.

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:52:42
From: morrie
ID: 181724
Subject: re: Silly car questions

wookiemeister said:


Stealth said:

wookiemeister said:

i wonder if you could throw a big space age blanket over the car to keep the warmth in over night?

imagine if you had an inflatable cover all silvery et and you drove in

you could have some plywood on the floor


Very cold areas have plug-in warmers for the cars.


ok what about this

you build a big plywood box and then put a layer of cheap insulation on it then top it off with some space blanket (mylar)

the doors get closed and the heat of the engine keeps the car warm over night rather than relying on a powersource to do it

the floor is raised from the dirt/concrete by beams and a thick sheet of plywood.


Lets pull into that motel.
Which one?
That one over there with the plywood boxes out the front.
Oh, cool, Um I mean warm.

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Date: 1/08/2012 22:54:14
From: wookiemeister
ID: 181725
Subject: re: Silly car questions

morrie said:


wookiemeister said:

Stealth said:

Very cold areas have plug-in warmers for the cars.


ok what about this

you build a big plywood box and then put a layer of cheap insulation on it then top it off with some space blanket (mylar)

the doors get closed and the heat of the engine keeps the car warm over night rather than relying on a powersource to do it

the floor is raised from the dirt/concrete by beams and a thick sheet of plywood.


Lets pull into that motel.
Which one?
That one over there with the plywood boxes out the front.
Oh, cool, Um I mean warm.


oh i’m just talking about fight club, sorry i mean about personal use of the box

you knock it up for your house

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Date: 2/08/2012 01:40:13
From: AussieDJ
ID: 181771
Subject: re: Silly car questions

morrie said:


In Canada and other cold places, people plug the car into the electrical power grid overnight to keep the block from freezing. Motels provide power leads for this purpose.

How does that work? Is there an electric (heating) element built into the engine block?

I recall a story I read some time ago, where pilots flying into remote Arctic airstrips had do work out some way of keeping the aircraft piston engine warm so the oil wouldn’t freeze overnight, etc.

Some poor blokes got a bit enthusiastic and tried lighting fires under the engines, only to see the aeroplane catch fire.

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Date: 2/08/2012 01:57:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 181772
Subject: re: Silly car questions

AussieDJ said:


morrie said:

In Canada and other cold places, people plug the car into the electrical power grid overnight to keep the block from freezing. Motels provide power leads for this purpose.

How does that work? Is there an electric (heating) element built into the engine block?

I recall a story I read some time ago, where pilots flying into remote Arctic airstrips had do work out some way of keeping the aircraft piston engine warm so the oil wouldn’t freeze overnight, etc.

Some poor blokes got a bit enthusiastic and tried lighting fires under the engines, only to see the aeroplane catch fire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_heater

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