Date: 3/08/2012 09:47:20
From: The_observer
ID: 182295
Subject: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

Sydney Morning Herald (Fairfax Press)

Climate change science is a load of hot air and warmists are wrong
August 2, 2012
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Dr David M. W. Evans is a mathematician and engineer who consulted full-time for the Australian Greenhouse Office (now the Department of Climate Change) from 1999 to 2005. He says he changed from being a warmist to a sceptic after ‘‘evidence supporting the idea that CO2 emissions were the main cause of global warming reversed itself from 1998 to 2006’‘.
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IN THE theory of man-made climate change, two-thirds of the predicted warming comes from changes in humidity and clouds, and only one-third comes directly from the extra carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases.

The theory assumes humidity and clouds amplify the warming directly due to CO2 by a factor of three: extra CO2 warms the ocean surface, causing more evaporation and extra humidity. Water vapour, or humidity, is the main greenhouse gas, so this causes even more surface warming.
Not many people know that. It is the most important feature of the debate, and goes a long way to explaining why warmists and sceptics both insist they are right.

The warmists are correct that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and it causes warming, that CO2 levels have been rising, and that it has been warming.
Serious sceptics agree with all that, but point out that it does not prove that something else isn’t causing most of the warming. By way of illustration, if the main cause of warming was actually Venusians with ray guns, then all those things would still be true.

There is no observational evidence for this amplification, but it is nonetheless built into all the models. Sceptics point out that if the extra humidity simply forms extra clouds, then there would be no amplification.
If the CO2 theory of global warming is right, the climate models should predict the climate fairly well. If the CO2 theory is wrong, because there is another, larger driver of the temperature, then the climate models will perform indifferently.
According to the latest data from mankind’s best and latest instruments, from impeccable sources, the climate models are doing poorly.

The first Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report in 1990 predicted air temperatures would increase by 0.30 degrees per decade, and by 0.20 degrees to 0.50 degrees per decade at the outside. But according to NASA satellites that measure almost the entire planet constantly, the trend since then has been 0.17 degrees per decade at most. The climate scientists ignore these awkward results and instead only quote temperatures from land thermometers, half of which are at airports where they are artificially warmed by jet engines and hot tarmac, while most of the rest are in warming micro-climates such as near air conditioner outlets, at sewage plants or in car parks. Obviously the data from these corrupted thermometers should not be used.

Ocean temperatures have only been measured properly since 2003 when the Argo program became operational. Some 3000 Argo buoys roam the oceans, measuring temperatures on each 10-day dive into the depths. Before Argo, we used sporadic sampling with buckets and diving darts along a few commercial shipping lanes. But these measurements have such massively high uncertainties as to be useless. Since Argo started, the ocean temperatures have been flat, no warming at all.

The assumed temperature amplification due to changes in humidity and clouds exhibits itself in all the models as prominent warming about 10 kilometres up over the tropics. We have been measuring the atmospheric warming pattern since the 1960s using weather balloons, released twice a day from 900 locations around the planet, many millions of them in total, and no such ‘‘hot spot’‘ has been detected. This is direct observational proof that the amplification is missing.

The climate models predict that the outgoing radiation from the earth decreases in the weeks following a rise in the surface temperature, due to aggressive heat-trapping by extra humidity. But analysis of the outgoing radiation measured by NASA satellites for the last two decades shows the opposite occurs: the earth gives off more heat after the surface temperature rises. Again, this suggests that the amplification assumed in the models simply does not occur in reality.

Government climate scientists tend to excuse away these failings, often blaming unmeasured aerosols whose effects are only dimly understood. These excuses wear ever thinner as the CO2 level continues to rise but the temperature plateau of the last 12 years persists.

There are huge vested interests in the theory of man-made climate change. They will soon have to face up to the fact that they have been unwittingly relying on assumed amplification by humidity for most of the predicted temperature increases, and that the amplification is not there in reality.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/climate-change-science-is-a-load-of-hot-air-and-warmists-are-wrong-20120801-23fdv.html#ixzz22R3AgVRn

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Date: 3/08/2012 09:50:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 182298
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

The_observer said:

Sydney Morning Herald (Fairfax Press)

Climate change science is a load of hot air and warmists are wrong
August 2, 2012
- – - – - – - – - – - – -
Dr David M. W. Evans is a mathematician and engineer who consulted full-time for the Australian Greenhouse Office (now the Department of Climate Change) from 1999 to 2005. He says he changed from being a warmist to a sceptic after ‘‘evidence supporting the idea that CO2 emissions were the main cause of global warming reversed itself from 1998 to 2006’‘.
- – - – - – - – - – - – -

IN THE theory of man-made climate change, two-thirds of the predicted warming comes from changes in humidity and clouds, and only one-third comes directly from the extra carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases.

The theory assumes humidity and clouds amplify the warming directly due to CO2 by a factor of three: extra CO2 warms the ocean surface, causing more evaporation and extra humidity. Water vapour, or humidity, is the main greenhouse gas, so this causes even more surface warming.
Not many people know that. It is the most important feature of the debate, and goes a long way to explaining why warmists and sceptics both insist they are right.

The warmists are correct that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and it causes warming, that CO2 levels have been rising, and that it has been warming.
Serious sceptics agree with all that, but point out that it does not prove that something else isn’t causing most of the warming. By way of illustration, if the main cause of warming was actually Venusians with ray guns, then all those things would still be true.

There is no observational evidence for this amplification, but it is nonetheless built into all the models. Sceptics point out that if the extra humidity simply forms extra clouds, then there would be no amplification.
If the CO2 theory of global warming is right, the climate models should predict the climate fairly well. If the CO2 theory is wrong, because there is another, larger driver of the temperature, then the climate models will perform indifferently.
According to the latest data from mankind’s best and latest instruments, from impeccable sources, the climate models are doing poorly.

The first Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report in 1990 predicted air temperatures would increase by 0.30 degrees per decade, and by 0.20 degrees to 0.50 degrees per decade at the outside. But according to NASA satellites that measure almost the entire planet constantly, the trend since then has been 0.17 degrees per decade at most. The climate scientists ignore these awkward results and instead only quote temperatures from land thermometers, half of which are at airports where they are artificially warmed by jet engines and hot tarmac, while most of the rest are in warming micro-climates such as near air conditioner outlets, at sewage plants or in car parks. Obviously the data from these corrupted thermometers should not be used.

Ocean temperatures have only been measured properly since 2003 when the Argo program became operational. Some 3000 Argo buoys roam the oceans, measuring temperatures on each 10-day dive into the depths. Before Argo, we used sporadic sampling with buckets and diving darts along a few commercial shipping lanes. But these measurements have such massively high uncertainties as to be useless. Since Argo started, the ocean temperatures have been flat, no warming at all.

The assumed temperature amplification due to changes in humidity and clouds exhibits itself in all the models as prominent warming about 10 kilometres up over the tropics. We have been measuring the atmospheric warming pattern since the 1960s using weather balloons, released twice a day from 900 locations around the planet, many millions of them in total, and no such ‘‘hot spot’‘ has been detected. This is direct observational proof that the amplification is missing.

The climate models predict that the outgoing radiation from the earth decreases in the weeks following a rise in the surface temperature, due to aggressive heat-trapping by extra humidity. But analysis of the outgoing radiation measured by NASA satellites for the last two decades shows the opposite occurs: the earth gives off more heat after the surface temperature rises. Again, this suggests that the amplification assumed in the models simply does not occur in reality.

Government climate scientists tend to excuse away these failings, often blaming unmeasured aerosols whose effects are only dimly understood. These excuses wear ever thinner as the CO2 level continues to rise but the temperature plateau of the last 12 years persists.

There are huge vested interests in the theory of man-made climate change. They will soon have to face up to the fact that they have been unwittingly relying on assumed amplification by humidity for most of the predicted temperature increases, and that the amplification is not there in reality.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/climate-change-science-is-a-load-of-hot-air-and-warmists-are-wrong-20120801-23fdv.html#ixzz22R3AgVRn

We have been over and over this until we have worn tracks in it. Give it a rest will ya and do something about your own backyard.

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Date: 3/08/2012 09:57:17
From: The_observer
ID: 182309
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

>>>> * We have been over and over this until we have worn tracks in it. Give it a rest will ya and do something about your own backyard * <<<

>>> Prominent Denier No Longer Denies <<<

I wonder why you did not post you dismay when Bubble Car Instigated the above thread just the other day ?

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:11:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 182320
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

The_observer said:

>>>> * We have been over and over this until we have worn tracks in it. Give it a rest will ya and do something about your own backyard * <<<

>>> Prominent Denier No Longer Denies <<<

I wonder why you did not post you dismay when Bubble Car Instigated the above thread just the other day ?

I’m just sick of you all preening and promenading when the real issue is.. what do you care about what sort of a life your childrens children are going to have.

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:17:53
From: The_observer
ID: 182327
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

>>>I’m just sick of you all preening and promenading when the real issue is.. what do you care about what sort of a life your childrens children are going to have.<<<

Honestly,that’s pathetic

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:21:28
From: Dropbear
ID: 182328
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

im sure you’d get a better hearing at the PSF..

we just don’t generally give a fuck here… go argue about it somewhere else.

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:21:29
From: roughbarked
ID: 182329
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

The_observer said:

>>>I’m just sick of you all preening and promenading when the real issue is.. what do you care about what sort of a life your childrens children are going to have.<<<

Honestly,that’s pathetic

Thank you. How many millions of trees have you planted?

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:23:18
From: Divine Angel
ID: 182331
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

roughbarked said:

Thank you. How many millions of trees have you planted?

I have indoor plants. Environment- FUCK YEAH!

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:24:10
From: The_observer
ID: 182334
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

>>>im sure you’d get a better hearing at the PSF..<<<

?

>>>we just don’t generally give a fuck here <<<

Liar

>>>… go argue about it somewhere else. <<<

who’s arguing ?

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:25:06
From: The_observer
ID: 182335
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

>>>Thank you. How many millions of trees have you planted?<<<

quite a few.

But what’s that to do with anything?

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:26:26
From: The_observer
ID: 182337
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

>>> I have indoor plants. Environment- FUCK YEAH! <<

that would be like the opposite of burning candles

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:28:12
From: Dropbear
ID: 182338
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

>>>we just don’t generally give a fuck here <<<

Liar<<

not at all, i really don’t.. if I cared to argue the case I’d go to the PSF

here’s a link for you

http://abcforums.com

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:38:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 182344
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

It is easy to whip up hysteria.

Good work. Whats next?

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:40:29
From: The_observer
ID: 182346
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

>>>not at all, i really don’t.. if I cared to argue the case I’d go to the PSF…<<<

you either care, & thats why you have responded, or,

you think you own this site & are a moderator telling me you don’t want me here.

Both of the above I reckon

You & others here should realise the difference between the natural instinct of humans to care about the environment, & manufactured religious like environmentalism where doom & castastrophy are imminent & humans are the cause. Irrationalism to the point of ignoring facts & aggressively attacking the messangers

>>>here’s a link for you

http://abcforums.com<<<<

oh, the SSSF. Yes, I hang out there

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:41:41
From: Dropbear
ID: 182349
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

MUMMY AND DADDY STOP FIGHTING

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Date: 3/08/2012 10:42:03
From: The_observer
ID: 182350
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

http://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/uploads/profile/photo-532.gif

Its a sad day when cats start committing suicide , consumed by the terror of future dangerous global warming

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Date: 3/08/2012 11:16:10
From: poikilotherm
ID: 182376
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

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Date: 3/08/2012 11:20:25
From: The_observer
ID: 182390
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

poikilotherm;

let me know how you came to that ill considered conclusion, if your able too.

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Date: 3/08/2012 11:27:36
From: poikilotherm
ID: 182408
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

The_observer said:

poikilotherm;

let me know how you came to that ill considered conclusion, if your able too.

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Date: 3/08/2012 11:29:50
From: The_observer
ID: 182415
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

that means crappp

why have you ignorantly labelled me a troll?

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Date: 3/08/2012 11:30:53
From: poikilotherm
ID: 182417
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

The_observer said:

that means crappp

why have you ignorantly labelled me a troll?

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Date: 3/08/2012 11:33:19
From: The_observer
ID: 182423
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

poikilotherm;

I apologise. I thought you were referring to me with the ‘troll’ remark.

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Date: 3/08/2012 11:54:20
From: The_observer
ID: 182440
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

Here, we capture the species poikilotherm, deeply
contemplating the universe as it sees it

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Date: 3/08/2012 11:55:44
From: The_observer
ID: 182441
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

sorry, I apologise

I know.

I should have posted that in Friday Funnies

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Date: 3/08/2012 11:58:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 182442
Subject: re: Prominent Alarmist No Longer Alarmed

The_observer said:

sorry, I apologise

I know.

I should have posted that in Friday Funnies

http://www.flickr.com/photos/justjjoke/7059672403/

I apologise for sharing this wonderful photo without express permission.

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