http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-13/qantas-says-plane-lost-power-to-engine/4195104

in recent times there have been unexplained events involving airliners in WA involving loss of control

lets say you were a government and wanted to take down an airliner 911 and lonegun man style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3WW6eoLcLI to justify a war.

for one reason or the other you couldn’t simply take over the aircraft by means of electronic sabotage but had to strike at a commercial airliner flying in another countries airspace.

since 911 its been harder for the gov to strike at its own aircraft given that people are ready and someone might always stumble across your plan to take part in a terrorist plot.

it seems to me that in WA what we might have going on is tests to take down commerical airliners via scrambling the brains of the thing. they switch the device on for a few seconds, the aircraft reacts and then they switch it off.

it looks as if the australian gov is unwittingly playing host to someone trying to down commerical airliners – notice none of the intelligence agencies seem to have shown any curiousity in asking themsleves why this seems to keep happening.

they might well keep passing these events of as coincidences but it seems that whatever it is thats causing these problems resides in WA (like a few other agencies that can cause problems)

it might be that they are trying to take someone down when they fly. you might have a leader of a foreign power who decides to take a ride then mysteriously the aircraft loses power or control and crashes killign everyone onboard. the trials are happening in WA until they perfect it.

wookiemeister said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-13/qantas-says-plane-lost-power-to-engine/4195104

in recent times there have been unexplained events involving airliners in WA involving loss of control

lets say you were a government and wanted to take down an airliner 911 and lonegun man style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3WW6eoLcLI to justify a war.

for one reason or the other you couldn’t simply take over the aircraft by means of electronic sabotage but had to strike at a commercial airliner flying in another countries airspace.

since 911 its been harder for the gov to strike at its own aircraft given that people are ready and someone might always stumble across your plan to take part in a terrorist plot.

it seems to me that in WA what we might have going on is tests to take down commerical airliners via scrambling the brains of the thing. they switch the device on for a few seconds, the aircraft reacts and then they switch it off.

it looks as if the australian gov is unwittingly playing host to someone trying to down commerical airliners – notice none of the intelligence agencies seem to have shown any curiousity in asking themsleves why this seems to keep happening.

they might well keep passing these events of as coincidences but it seems that whatever it is thats causing these problems resides in WA (like a few other agencies that can cause problems)

it might be that they are trying to take someone down when they fly. you might have a leader of a foreign power who decides to take a ride then mysteriously the aircraft loses power or control and crashes killign everyone onboard. the trials are happening in WA until they perfect it.

We have indeed experienced laser attempts.. terrorist guided or inspired.. no proof.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-13/qantas-says-plane-lost-power-to-engine/4195104

in recent times there have been unexplained events involving airliners in WA involving loss of control

lets say you were a government and wanted to take down an airliner 911 and lonegun man style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3WW6eoLcLI to justify a war.

for one reason or the other you couldn’t simply take over the aircraft by means of electronic sabotage but had to strike at a commercial airliner flying in another countries airspace.

since 911 its been harder for the gov to strike at its own aircraft given that people are ready and someone might always stumble across your plan to take part in a terrorist plot.

it seems to me that in WA what we might have going on is tests to take down commerical airliners via scrambling the brains of the thing. they switch the device on for a few seconds, the aircraft reacts and then they switch it off.

it looks as if the australian gov is unwittingly playing host to someone trying to down commerical airliners – notice none of the intelligence agencies seem to have shown any curiousity in asking themsleves why this seems to keep happening.

they might well keep passing these events of as coincidences but it seems that whatever it is thats causing these problems resides in WA (like a few other agencies that can cause problems)

it might be that they are trying to take someone down when they fly. you might have a leader of a foreign power who decides to take a ride then mysteriously the aircraft loses power or control and crashes killign everyone onboard. the trials are happening in WA until they perfect it.

We have indeed experienced laser attempts.. terrorist guided or inspired.. no proof.

there was someone with a powerful laser trying to blind pilots a while ago. they haven’t mentioned this kind iof thing in the press for a while so they are either trying to keep a lid on it and not provoke copycat attacks or the number of attacks has dropped

the problem with reporting it is that it can provoke copycat attacks – as in the case of arson where its reported that its the work of an arson then every man and his lighter gets to work in any area dry as tinder.

the first thing i’d do in the case of these strange events is get passenger lists to see if theres a pattern or connection between passengers in the flights that have been affected in the past.

if you were a terrorist that could carry something on board that could disturb the controls of the aircraft?? no one would be looking for it or would be able to detect its signals until it switches on.

>>in recent times there have been unexplained events involving airliners in WA involving loss of control<<

How many events? I haven’t heard of any.

It might be wookie world but there is an element of truth in the software terrorism. The computers on the Iranian computer system were blasting out AC/DC music whilst the zeros and ones were all manipulated. Some oil well control systems fell victim to an easter egg as well.

Tis a big thing state sponsored software warfare and we have no clue what is going on. .

gov created terrorist software to be sure

they are playing with fire on this one

if an airliner is taken down in australia because the gov has been involved in this you can forget the stars and stripes reaction that happened in america

most likely they are trying to take down the iranian president or similar as he flies from one coutry to another

as i said, perfect it here in friendly territory then ship the device to the middle east and wait under an air corridor until he flies – it might be some UN meeting or arab league meeting. my guesses is that someone important is being lined up to be whacked and they are developing the technology to throw an airliner into a spin where its not recoverable.

they’ll knock out the airliner to get that one person

I agree with the state software gear but you are connecting dots all over the place and reaching some fantastic conclusions without any basis.

what you might do is build a few of these devices then ship then around the world

you’d get some approval from a gov to allow you to install supposed communication equipment in their country

you’d have some buildings where this could happen and some instructions to the keepers there to destroy everything if the gov of that country tries to storm the building after the event to find out if your equipment was responsible

i think that what they are doing is to find the range of this device. they are aware of where the aircraft is because of the transponder the device locks in on the transponder and then works its magic. for whatever reason they have decided to concentrate their efforst on the air corridors off WA and WA proper. if the aircraft had gone down the black box might be lost. this is why they decided to save the most hair raising attack on the commercial aircraft over the ocean – if the aircraft had gone down they might never recovered it or it could be seen as data corruption.

the engine powerdown over a city is unusual – maybe this is how they intend to bring the aircraft down in a city – just switch the engines off, wherever the thing land sit will do damage.

oops change connecting dots to drawing your own dots.

Skunkworks said:

I agree with the state software gear but you are connecting dots all over the place and reaching some fantastic conclusions without any basis.

first you have to recognise the problem

then you have to climb into the mid of someone in gov or a foreign gov working here in australia then work from there.

1st time happenchance
2nd time coincidence
3rd time confirmed enemy action

someone is trying to take down commercial airliners here or elsewhere

Skunkworks said:

oops change connecting dots to drawing your own dots.

the yanks were injecting pregnant women with radioactive isotopes – clinton apologised for this

they also allowed black fellahs to get sick and die with syphillis because they wanted to see what exactly happens

the dots are out there if you want to see them.

in other news it makes me wonder if they arranging a hit on assange. think of it this way – if assange gets whacked it won’t look good – britain traditionally doesn’t like this thing going on on their terrritory – it looks bad

so they tell assange via a second person to seek asylum and then travel to another country – then you whack him there or feed him something so he winds up dead.

maybe assange will be invited to tea where something will be slipped into his tea – my guesses it will be a fellow “journalist” who does the hit.

Did three airliners have a problem last night, I heard it was only one?

come one people – work with me here

its monday night conspiracy

party_pants said:

Did three airliners have a problem last night, I heard it was only one?

Probably someone blasting Ethel Merman at them/it

party_pants said:

Did three airliners have a problem last night, I heard it was only one?

theres bene at least two off the coast that have suffered problems with loss of control, people were injured because the aircraft dropped suddenly because the control system told it to

they are trying to work out how much they need to do to bring an aircraft down

first you drop the thing, twist the thing then cut power to the engines. the pilots won’t be able to recover the aircraft and it will plummet to the ground

wookiemeister said:

theres bene at least two off the coast that have suffered problems with loss of control, people were injured because the aircraft dropped suddenly because the control system told it to

they are trying to work out how much they need to do to bring an aircraft down

first you drop the thing, twist the thing then cut power to the engines. the pilots won’t be able to recover the aircraft and it will plummet to the ground

but that was at least 750 years ago. I was still working at the bank at that time, I know, because the guy I used to sit next to was flying out the week after, We joked about it happening on his flight. That was a long time ago. Once every 5 years just isn’t trying hard enough.

i think what they will most likely do is try to crash the aircraft within a few seconds before take off with thousands of kerosene going up or as it is about to land

even dropping the aircraft suddenly as it is about to land could kill everyone on board

you might have to wait for fog or rain to give some kind of cover for why the accident happened

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

theres bene at least two off the coast that have suffered problems with loss of control, people were injured because the aircraft dropped suddenly because the control system told it to

they are trying to work out how much they need to do to bring an aircraft down

first you drop the thing, twist the thing then cut power to the engines. the pilots won’t be able to recover the aircraft and it will plummet to the ground

but that was at least 750 years ago. I was still working at the bank at that time, I know, because the guy I used to sit next to was flying out the week after, We joked about it happening on his flight. That was a long time ago. Once every 5 years just isn’t trying hard enough.

no this has happened within at least two years

With the number of planes in the air its probably statistically insignificant

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

Did three airliners have a problem last night, I heard it was only one?

theres bene at least two off the coast that have suffered problems with loss of control, people were injured because the aircraft dropped suddenly because the control system told it to

they are trying to work out how much they need to do to bring an aircraft down

first you drop the thing, twist the thing then cut power to the engines. the pilots won’t be able to recover the aircraft and it will plummet to the ground

I don’t think that flights to Melbourne usually take off to the West, but I might be wrong.

hang on

i know exactly how you would do it

you make the aircraft STALL and cut power to the engines as well

the aircraft would need to be high enough to make sure everyone is killed on impact but not so high as to allow the pilots to regain control. if you cut the engines you wouldn’t have a prayer

The life and death of American publisher John F. Kennedy, Jr. (1960 – 1999) mirrored that of his presidential father and others in the influential but tragedy – stricken Kennedy family. The first flickering images involved White House play and the funeral following his father’s 1963 assassination. JFK Jr. died in 1999 at age 38 when he lost control of his plane off the coast of Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts. “Kennedy,” Larry McShane wrote in the “Boston Globe”, “grew to manhood in the shadow of a president’s legend and the glare of the public eye, remembered always as the young boy who raised his hand in a brave salute to his father’s coffin. By all accounts, Camelot’s heir bore the burden, and the blessing, with grace.”

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/john-f-kennedy-jr#ixzz23QH3bfeb

I think you’re full of a certain brown substance, Wookie.

Qantas Flight 72 (QF72) was a scheduled flight from Singapore Changi Airport to Perth Airport on 7 October 2008 that made an emergency landing at Learmonth airport near the town of Exmouth, Western Australia following an inflight accident featuring a pair of sudden uncommanded pitch-down manoeuvres that resulted in serious injuries to many of the occupants. The injuries included fractures, lacerations and spinal injuries. At Learmonth, the plane was met by the Royal Flying Doctor Service and CareFlight, where 14 people were airlifted to Perth for hospitalisation, with 39 others also attending hospital. Two planes were sent by Qantas to Learmonth to collect the remaining passengers and crew. In all, 1 crew member and 11 passengers suffered serious injuries, while 8 crew and 95 passengers suffered minor injuries. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau investigation found fault with one of the aircraft’s three Air Data Inertial Reference Units and a previously unknown software design limitation of the Airbus A330’s fly by wire flight control primary computer (FCPC).

party_pants said:

I think you’re full of a certain brown substance, Wookie.

say what you will

if i suggested that a commercial airliner could be used to take down a big building you’d say the same thing (pre 911)

party_pants said:

I think you’re full of a certain brown substance, Wookie.

say what you will

if i suggested that a commercial airliner could be used to take down a big building you’d say the same thing (pre 911)

wookiemeister said:

Qantas Flight 72 (QF72) was a scheduled flight from Singapore Changi Airport to Perth Airport on 7 October 2008 that made an emergency landing at Learmonth airport near the town of Exmouth, Western Australia following an inflight accident featuring a pair of sudden uncommanded pitch-down manoeuvres that resulted in serious injuries to many of the occupants. The injuries included fractures, lacerations and spinal injuries. At Learmonth, the plane was met by the Royal Flying Doctor Service and CareFlight, where 14 people were airlifted to Perth for hospitalisation, with 39 others also attending hospital. Two planes were sent by Qantas to Learmonth to collect the remaining passengers and crew. In all, 1 crew member and 11 passengers suffered serious injuries, while 8 crew and 95 passengers suffered minor injuries. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau investigation found fault with one of the aircraft’s three Air Data Inertial Reference Units and a previously unknown software design limitation of the Airbus A330’s fly by wire flight control primary computer (FCPC).

The initial effects of the fault were:
false stall and overspeed warnings

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

I think you’re full of a certain brown substance, Wookie.

say what you will

if i suggested that a commercial airliner could be used to take down a big building you’d say the same thing (pre 911)

In wookie world was 9/11 terrorists in planes with box cutters or something else?

wookiemeister said:

Qantas Flight 72 (QF72) was a scheduled flight from Singapore Changi Airport to Perth Airport on 7 October 2008 that made an emergency landing at Learmonth airport near the town of Exmouth, Western Australia following an inflight accident featuring a pair of sudden uncommanded pitch-down manoeuvres that resulted in serious injuries to many of the occupants. The injuries included fractures, lacerations and spinal injuries. At Learmonth, the plane was met by the Royal Flying Doctor Service and CareFlight, where 14 people were airlifted to Perth for hospitalisation, with 39 others also attending hospital. Two planes were sent by Qantas to Learmonth to collect the remaining passengers and crew. In all, 1 crew member and 11 passengers suffered serious injuries, while 8 crew and 95 passengers suffered minor injuries. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau investigation found fault with one of the aircraft’s three Air Data Inertial Reference Units and a previously unknown software design limitation of the Airbus A330’s fly by wire flight control primary computer (FCPC).

Subsequent Qantas Flight 71 incident

Main article: Air Data Inertial Reference Unit#Failures and directives

On 27 December 2008, a Qantas A330-300 aircraft operating from Perth to Singapore was involved in an occurrence approximately 260 nautical miles (480 km) north-west of Perth and 350 nautical miles (650 km) south of Learmonth Airport at 1729 WST while flying at 36,000 feet. At this time, the autopilot disconnected and the crew received an alert indicating a problem with ADIRU Number 1. The crew actioned the revised procedure released by Airbus after the earlier accident and returned to Perth uneventfully. The ATSB will include the incident in their existing accident investigation. The incident again fuelled media speculation regarding the significance of the Harold E. Holt facility, with the Australian and International Pilots Association calling for commercial aircraft to be barred from the area as a precaution until the events are better understood, while the manager of the facility has claimed that it is “highly, highly unlikely” that any interference has been caused.

>> Qantas Flight 72 (QF72) was a scheduled flight from Singapore Changi Airport to Perth Airport on 7 October 2008 <<

Yeap – about 2 months before I left the bank. Too long ago Johnny.

wookiemeister said:

if i suggested that a commercial airliner could be used to take down a big building you’d say the same thing (pre 911)

Bulshit, I was already planning an attack on Northern Ireland using that very method. The idea was based on a 747 freighter that crashed (accidentally) into an apartment building in The Netherlands.

party_pants said:

>> Qantas Flight 72 (QF72) was a scheduled flight from Singapore Changi Airport to Perth Airport on 7 October 2008 <<

Yeap – about 2 months before I left the bank. Too long ago Johnny.

there was another one involving a foreign airliner – malysian, singaporean can’t remember

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

>> Qantas Flight 72 (QF72) was a scheduled flight from Singapore Changi Airport to Perth Airport on 7 October 2008 <<

Yeap – about 2 months before I left the bank. Too long ago Johnny.

there was another one involving a foreign airliner – malysian, singaporean can’t remember

I think that there are probably more foreign aircraft flying that route than there are Qantas, judging from looking at the arrivals board in the airport.

Ben Sandilands quotes from the ATSB in his blog that in-flight control excursion of QF72 was “a unique incident”. The ATSB is wrong, this is not unique  — it has happened before.

On the 1 August, 2005 Malaysian Airlines flight MH124 was flying from Perth to Kuala Lumpur. It left Perth at 4:30pm as scheduled. The early part of the flight went smoothly, but about 30 minutes after take off, the plane suddenly pitched up steeply, climbed 3000ft and started to stall (the stick shaker activated).

The pilots took manual flight control and recovered the aircraft to normal flight. They re-engaged the auto-pilot and the aircraft immediately performed an uncommanded 2000ft climb. Subsequent tests showed that the fault occurred with both auto-pilot systems. The captain contacted air traffic control and reported that he could not maintain altitude and requested an immediate return to Perth.

Subsequently, during landing, the wind shear system falsely activated and attempted to increase thrust. The aircraft landed successfully without further incident.

The investigation traced the failure to a faulty Air Data Inertial Reference Unit (ADIRU), exactly the same failure as is suspected with QF72. What had happened was the result of a series of failures.

The ADIRU contains six accelerometers  — a primary and a backup for each of the three dimensions (pitch, roll and yaw) it is measuring. One of the accelerometers failed, however due to a software bug, the failure was detected but it was not reported. The unit continued to operate, apparently normally, for over a year using the backup accelerometer.

Murphy’s Law ensured that the next accelerometer to fail (accelerometers are mechanical devices which can be expected to fail every few thousand hours of operation) was the backup. The ADIRU then started to generate anomalous data for the motion of the aircraft pitching and the auto-pilot attempted to respond and  — due to the garbage data from the ADIRU — got it terribly wrong.

Although MH124 originated from Perth, the incident occurred in international airspace. The investigation was performed by a team made up of Malaysian (the aircraft registrar) and American (the aircraft manufacturer) authorities. The Australian ATSB was not involved, and so they would have no special knowledge of this particular occurrence.

The significance of this failure is difficult to understate. The ADIRU is one of the critical flight sensors. The FAA in its report stated “could result in anomalies of the fly-by-wire primary flight control, autopilot, auto-throttle, pilot display, and auto-brake systems, which could result in high pilot workload, deviation from the intended flight path, and possible loss of control of the airplane.” That’s engineer-speak for an aircraft which is flying normally one second then wildly gyrating and breaking up the next.

The problem here is not just a few faulty parts and buggy software. It’s far, far deeper than that. Modern passenger aircraft are all fly-by-wire (FBW). There are many reasons for this including cost (we all want cheap flights) and safety — FBW-controlled aircraft are significantly, measurably safer than aircraft with mechanical controls. However, FBW is complex  — it made up of many sub-components, with the failure of any being potentially catastrophic.

This is a deep problem. Mathematicians have had a look at this problem  — how do you make a critical decision if it may be based on lies, because that is the problem for the flight control system and ADIRU. Mathematicians call the sort of problem faced by QF72 and MH172 a Byzantine fault. The name comes from the idea of a group of Byzantine generals who have to reach an agreement when some of them may not be telling the truth. The mathematics indicates only partial solutions, and those solutions are resource intensive. Byzantine faults are rare (more frequent than one per billion flight hours), but they tend to bypass all the checks and balances within the systems which are meant to detect faults.

The ATSB may have been wrong about the QF72 incident being unique, but Sandilands is dead right when he says it “has all the hallmarks of becoming a landmark investigation, possibly the most important for airlines world wide of any ever undertaken by the ATSB.”
http://www.crikey.com.au/2008/10/15/qf72s-computer-glitch-has-happened-before/

well, that disproves your theory completely, wonder why you posted it.

I have my own theory about it, but you’re not important enough to share it with.

wookiemeister said:

The life and death of American publisher John F. Kennedy, Jr. (1960 – 1999) mirrored that of his presidential father and others in the influential but tragedy – stricken Kennedy family. The first flickering images involved White House play and the funeral following his father’s 1963 assassination. JFK Jr. died in 1999 at age 38 when he lost control of his plane off the coast of Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts. “Kennedy,” Larry McShane wrote in the “Boston Globe”, “grew to manhood in the shadow of a president’s legend and the glare of the public eye, remembered always as the young boy who raised his hand in a brave salute to his father’s coffin. By all accounts, Camelot’s heir bore the burden, and the blessing, with grace.”

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/john-f-kennedy-jr#ixzz23QH3bfeb

JFK jnr was unqualified to be flying by instruments only. He crashed because he didn’t know what he was doing.

I don’t think that flights to Melbourne usually take off to the West, but I might be wrong.
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Not due west no. But the crossrunway (06/24) is near enough a westerly take off on hot summer afternoons.

Stealth said:

I don’t think that flights to Melbourne usually take off to the West, but I might be wrong.
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Not due west no. But the crossrunway (06/24) is near enough a westerly take off on hot summer afternoons.

Do A330 use the cross runway? I thought all larger types used the main north-south one.

Do A330 use the cross runway? I thought all larger types used the main north-south one.
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The windspeed limits for the change over to the cross runway may be different for different aircraft types, but I have landed in a 747 on the cross runway

Stand down, wookie.

It was just me trying to enlist a fleet of aerial water bombers.

Each time I point my sonic firehose at a plane, I can get it to deviate into my intended flight path, but then the two backup navigation systems take over and return it back. I just need to do some more software tweaks and then ALL the planes will be MINE!

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

For PP

>>>7.How many runways exist at Perth Airport?
Perth Airport has two runways:

(1) The main runway 03/21 – 3,444 metres in length and 45 metres wide
(2) The cross-runway 06/24 – 2,163 metres in length and 45 metres wide.

Both runways can accommodate regular operations by wide-bodied aircraft, including the new Airbus A380.
<<<

Stealth said:

For PP

>>>7.How many runways exist at Perth Airport?
Perth Airport has two runways:

(1) The main runway 03/21 – 3,444 metres in length and 45 metres wide
(2) The cross-runway 06/24 – 2,163 metres in length and 45 metres wide.

Both runways can accommodate regular operations by wide-bodied aircraft, including the new Airbus A380.
<<<

I understand that an upgrade is underway to accomodate regular operations by the 380.

The main problem , I believe is the taxiways.

The 06/24 is way too short for 380 take off, the main runway is only just adequate (take off run at maximum weight some 2700 meters.

I know one has landed there but that was under a medical energency.

Mate of mine just got a 911, it’s damn good looking.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/Martin_U/51433f01.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/Martin_U/bce8eed1.jpg

jjjust moi said:

Stealth said:

For PP

>>>7.How many runways exist at Perth Airport?
Perth Airport has two runways:

(1) The main runway 03/21 – 3,444 metres in length and 45 metres wide
(2) The cross-runway 06/24 – 2,163 metres in length and 45 metres wide.

Both runways can accommodate regular operations by wide-bodied aircraft, including the new Airbus A380.
<<<

I understand that an upgrade is underway to accomodate regular operations by the 380.

The main problem , I believe is the taxiways.

The 06/24 is way too short for 380 take off, the main runway is only just adequate (take off run at maximum weight some 2700 meters.

I know one has landed there but that was under a medical energency.

Could they be serious about regular A380s if only one runway is usable by it. In summer the crosswinds on 03/21 are huge.

pommiejohn said:

wookiemeister said:

The life and death of American publisher John F. Kennedy, Jr. (1960 – 1999) mirrored that of his presidential father and others in the influential but tragedy – stricken Kennedy family. The first flickering images involved White House play and the funeral following his father’s 1963 assassination. JFK Jr. died in 1999 at age 38 when he lost control of his plane off the coast of Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts. “Kennedy,” Larry McShane wrote in the “Boston Globe”, “grew to manhood in the shadow of a president’s legend and the glare of the public eye, remembered always as the young boy who raised his hand in a brave salute to his father’s coffin. By all accounts, Camelot’s heir bore the burden, and the blessing, with grace.”

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/john-f-kennedy-jr#ixzz23QH3bfeb

JFK jnr was unqualified to be flying by instruments only. He crashed because he didn’t know what he was doing.

please don’t try to shoot down my evidence with comments that have some grain of likely truth in them

party_pants said:

I think you’re full of a certain brown substance, Wookie.

is 18 minutes ago too long ago??????????????????

Jet shakes violently after losing power in engine
Updated 18 minutes ago

A passenger jet was forced to make an emergency landing at Albany Airport on Western Australia’s south coast after losing power in one of its engines.

The Skywest flight was bound for Perth with about 40 passengers when it experienced engine problems about 11:30am (AWST).

Passengers say the plane began to shake violently about 20 minutes into the flight and a short time later the crew turned the aircraft back to Albany.

Police and the Fire and Emergency Services Authority sent several crews to the scene but the aircraft landed safely and no passengers were injured.

One passenger, who wanted only to be known as Brian, says the incident was handled very professionally.

“The pilot handled it really well, brought the plane in really smooth, we stopped really well and I can’t find a fault in any of it,” he said.

Another passenger, Daniel Collins, says he cannot fault the way the crew handled the emergency.

“We got to Kojonup and the engine shut down so they turned us around and landed here back in Albany,” he said.

“Fairly severe shaking, I suppose, and just turned around.

“It was pretty calm, they had it all under control.”

Authorities are investigating what caused the incident.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-15/passenger-jet-forced-to-return-to-albany-airport/4200926

Skywest don’t fly A330s. If they did try to fly them into Albany regional airport they would run out of runway and crash and burn in the field beyond. Not really a good piece of evidence for your theory.

party_pants said:

Skywest don’t fly A330s. If they did try to fly them into Albany regional airport they would run out of runway and crash and burn in the field beyond. Not really a good piece of evidence for your theory.

i never said A330s – that is your invention.

goodness, you are getting as bad as martin smith when it comes to inventing evidence to deconstruct a conspiracy theory.

my original conclusion stands

commercial aircraft are being attacked

wookiemeister said:

goodness, you are getting as bad as martin smith when it comes to inventing evidence to deconstruct a conspiracy theory.

Is it the same mechanism that causes problems for all types of planes in your theory?

wookiemeister said:

my original conclusion stands

commercial aircraft are being attacked

Your theory has been noted. Not yet proven though.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

goodness, you are getting as bad as martin smith when it comes to inventing evidence to deconstruct a conspiracy theory.

Is it the same mechanism that causes problems for all types of planes in your theory?

i don’t know for sure

all i know is the outcome

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

Skywest don’t fly A330s. If they did try to fly them into Albany regional airport they would run out of runway and crash and burn in the field beyond. Not really a good piece of evidence for your theory.

i never said A330s – that is your invention.

goodness, you are getting as bad as martin smith when it comes to inventing evidence to deconstruct a conspiracy theory.

Yes you did, so shut up.

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

Skywest don’t fly A330s. If they did try to fly them into Albany regional airport they would run out of runway and crash and burn in the field beyond. Not really a good piece of evidence for your theory.

i never said A330s – that is your invention.

goodness, you are getting as bad as martin smith when it comes to inventing evidence to deconstruct a conspiracy theory.

Yes you did, so shut up.

you are too angry

stop drinking those “energy drinks”

Problems with ADIRUs have happened all over the world. Air France, Alitalia, Northwest Airlines…..

Two state ministers were among 31 government officials killed in a plane crash in Sudan, according to state television.

The group was an official delegation to Southern Kordofan, a war-torn state that has seen ongoing fighting between the Sudanese army and rebel groups. They were traveling to attend a function marking the Muslim Eid holiday.

“All people on board were killed,” said Abdelhafiz Abdelrahim, the spokesman for the Sudan Aviation Authority, according to the AFP news agency.

He said the plane was landing in Talodi, a small town about 600km southwest of Khartoum, when “an explosion was heard and the plane was destroyed.”

The victims included Ghazi al-Sadiq, the head of the ministry of guidance and endowments, and Issa Deif Allah, the state minister for the environment.

It is unclear whether the plane belonged to the state-owned Sudan Airways or another carrier.

There have been several crashes in recent years involving Sudan Airways, which has been worn down by years of US sanctions and other problems. A Sudan Airways cargo plane crashed when it was taking off in the United Arab Emirates in 2009, and another cargo plane crashed shortly after takeoff from Khartoum in 2008.

Oil-producing Southern Kordofan borders South Sudan, which seceded over a year ago. The border state has been the site of an insurgency since shortly before South Sudan’s independence.

Khartoum accused rebels of killing a state official and seven other people there in July. A spokesman for the man rebel group in the army, the Sudan People’s Liberation Movement North, said the insurgents had nothing to do with Sunday’s plane crash.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/08/201281975853839515.html