Campbell Newman needs one person he can pay to do 20,000 jobs.

:)

None of your business. Get lost.

None of your business. Get lost.
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Then how would I hear what wookie thinks of Campbell morrie.

Whats with your attitude? Did I run over your cat or something?

Riff-in-Thyme said:

None of your business. Get lost.
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Then how would I hear what wookie thinks of Campbell morrie.

Whats with your attitude? Did I run over your cat or something?

You would ask him a question in chat.

I came here for a Wookie fix. I would like a Wookie-Report covering his thoughts on CN’s actions re: Barrier Reef and QLD gov jobs submitted to this thread.

You can chat if you like Morrie, but I’m after a broader picture. :)

Riff-in-Thyme said:

I came here for a Wookie fix. I would like a Wookie-Report covering his thoughts on CN’s actions re: Barrier Reef and QLD gov jobs submitted to this thread.

You can chat if you like Morrie, but I’m after a broader picture. :)

I am sure Wookie will have some interesting views. Putting up an OP with a title like that appears to me to show little respect, coming from someone who is interested in those views.

morrie said:

I am sure Wookie will have some interesting views. Putting up an OP with a title like that appears to me to show little respect, coming from someone who is interested in those views.

I have no idea what Wookie is doing, I would assume he has something that pays the bills. The title was a parody of the Campbell Newman related content and only related to Wookie in that he is good at listing wasted expenditure. There was no disrespect intended to Wookie and I am genuinely interested to his hear his opinion re OP. Particularly things like on the one hand CN makes changes to the definition of front line worker so he can cut more jobs, but then wants to have an expensive statue of Joh BP put in SouthBank. There are some interesting examples of his other proposals around.

Riff-in-Thyme said:

morrie said:

I am sure Wookie will have some interesting views. Putting up an OP with a title like that appears to me to show little respect, coming from someone who is interested in those views.

I have no idea what Wookie is doing, I would assume he has something that pays the bills. The title was a parody of the Campbell Newman related content and only related to Wookie in that he is good at listing wasted expenditure. There was no disrespect intended to Wookie and I am genuinely interested to his hear his opinion re OP. Particularly things like on the one hand CN makes changes to the definition of front line worker so he can cut more jobs, but then wants to have an expensive statue of Joh BP put in SouthBank. There are some interesting examples of his other proposals around.

Seems like I misinterpreted your intent. My apologies.

morrie said:

Seems like I misinterpreted your intent. My apologies.

Water under the bridge bloke. :)

Wookie works. You think these all conspiracy theories write themselves?

Had an almost deep south spot then.

>Water under the bridge bloke. :)

I’d like to remind you two about some of the forum rules. Being nice and civil to each other appears to break the vast majority of them. Please desist.

campbell newman is making cuts but is planning to spend up big in brisbane

campbell newman is the mayor of brisbane not qld thus he looks after brisbane

its the same in every state, the larger city is the one that dominates, the city that takes the lions share of money, it was the same under labor it will be the same under newman. a vote for 2 big parties is a vote flushed down the toilet

at any rate our democratic system is broken, you can vote without showing ANY identification – yes really. this means that the elections that are not held in any manner that would be considered fair or with any eye to state security. it might surprise you but people really do vote multiple times in different election booths – i’ve witnessed it with my own eyes. its amusing, we are sending people to fight to be maimed and killed so that the afghans can decide their fiture yet we can’t even run any election we have fairly.

the outcome is that the state has power over me but no authority over me. no electoral outcome can be considered legal because the electoral system can’t deliver a just result. you’ll find that the result is totally legal as is the fact that fraudulent voting is totally legal and can’t be challenged.

once i realised that criminal gangs were gaining control over society i realised it would be better to just take the money and ultimately run. amanda vandstone rubber stamped a well known mafiosa into australia regardless of the warnings of the italian police. google it and you’ll find that 100,000 dollars was furnished to liberal party funds and hey presto the hand signed the paper.

but wookie this all sounds very far fetched, how would you get peoples details so you could vote illegally. well quite simply as it turns out – go your local library and ask for the electoral register they will hand it over to you. in some cases you can obvtain one on CD (i have one). you send 100 people around on election day and notch up 5000 illegal votes in 50 booths. now you see why the democratic system is broken and this society doomed.

in britain it is very much harder to vote – you have to show ID anmd are given a special card and can only vote in one place. postal votes here mean that the dying and the dead can vote in great numbers.

>i’ve witnessed it with my own eyes

I’d have to ask, why are you attending multiple electoral booths?

sibeen said:

>i’ve witnessed it with my own eyes

I’d have to ask, why are you attending multiple electoral booths?

for various reasons

wookiemeister said:

sibeen said:

>i’ve witnessed it with my own eyes

I’d have to ask, why are you attending multiple electoral booths?

for various reasons

next election i’m going to try and set up a surveillance system to watch peoples faces as they enter

when i see a multiple entry i’ll alert a helper at the elctoral booth who can then alert staff in the election booth

sibeen said:

>i’ve witnessed it with my own eyes

I’d have to ask, why are you attending multiple electoral booths?

Wookie would prefer instead of questioning his actions, you just live under the protection he provides.

Last election I voted in, our area was selected as a trial for live computerised registration. No chance of voting more than once with the same name under that system. Plus it was heaps faster to get to the head of the queue to collect the ballot papers.

Polling booths not guarded by men with machine pistols, where an ex govt will meekly hand over power is a rare and wonderful thing.

party_pants said:

Last election I voted in, our area was selected as a trial for live computerised registration. No chance of voting more than once with the same name under that system. Plus it was heaps faster to get to the head of the queue to collect the ballot papers.

i would tend to agree on two counts

1 believe it or not the sort and stack method has a 2/3 percent failure rate, this means that because of the numbskulls running the election, votes collected often get counted wrongly or just seem to fall off the table and don’t get counted. the bundles come in bundles of 50s these seem to get lost very easily. the votes seem to get stacked in the wrong pile very easily. recounts are practically unheard of and the states electoral commission are answerable to no-one bar a mysterious body that i have difficulty finding anything out about on the internet.

2 it would stop some fraudlent voting

the stronger line of defence against criminal activity in an election would be to demand presence and identification (no one should be using postal votes unless extreme circumstances and no one should be voting at home where people such as candidates can “help them vote”. you should only be allowed to vote in one place on election day – if you cannot vote there then yes the computer system at the electoral booth in another town can be used.

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

Last election I voted in, our area was selected as a trial for live computerised registration. No chance of voting more than once with the same name under that system. Plus it was heaps faster to get to the head of the queue to collect the ballot papers.

i would tend to agree on two counts

1 believe it or not the sort and stack method has a 2/3 percent failure rate, this means that because of the numbskulls running the election, votes collected often get counted wrongly or just seem to fall off the table and don’t get counted. the bundles come in bundles of 50s these seem to get lost very easily. the votes seem to get stacked in the wrong pile very easily. recounts are practically unheard of and the states electoral commission are answerable to no-one bar a mysterious body that i have difficulty finding anything out about on the internet.

2 it would stop some fraudlent voting

the stronger line of defence against criminal activity in an election would be to demand presence and identification (no one should be using postal votes unless extreme circumstances and no one should be voting at home where people such as candidates can “help them vote”. you should only be allowed to vote in one place on election day – if you cannot vote there then yes the computer system at the electoral booth in another town can be used.

i would get rid of the bodies that run the states elections and simply use the AEC to run elections directly

some form of accountability needs to be enforced – if you stuff on simple matters you get sacked from your gov post – it ensures that the election should be taken seriously, especially when your job depends on it.

Wookie – this is WA. We do shit our way.

party_pants said:

Wookie – this is WA. We do shit our way.

learn how thye run their elections i would be very, very surprised if they asked any form of identification when carrying out a transaction with a gov of this importance.

name one form of written transaction (apart from voting) with a gov agency that doesn’t involve you showing identification?

Before we go down the path of wookieworld and its iris printing and big brother is electoral fraud a problem?

Skunkworks said:

Before we go down the path of wookieworld and its iris printing and big brother is electoral fraud a problem?

my word yes

the fellah dressed up as the ultimate grey man would have managed at least 50 illegal votes , factor in his helpers and you could be looking at least 5000 votes as a rule of thumb (there were other people who i could have sworn i had seen already – this fellah had a distinctive dress that by the time i saw him for the third time i realised that something odd was happening – it was noted by other people that there was something amiss, they had seen more a than a few people coming for a return go at the election booths)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6qG4yn-Ps

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

Before we go down the path of wookieworld and its iris printing and big brother is electoral fraud a problem?

my word yes

I was after something a bit more substantial. I envisage your methods will in the best wooki world traditions be expensive, un-feasable, impracticable and probably illegal so I was wondering if there was a need in the first case.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

Before we go down the path of wookieworld and its iris printing and big brother is electoral fraud a problem?

my word yes

I was after something a bit more substantial. I envisage your methods will in the best wooki world traditions be expensive, un-feasable, impracticable and probably illegal so I was wondering if there was a need in the first case.

you ask to see identification such as a drivers license – you can obtain a non driving licence identification card if you can’t drive

you can’t just allow people to merrily toddle off to the election booth and smash society because it suits them and their fellow brigands hell bent on smashing society.

wookiemeister said:

you ask to see identification such as a drivers license – you can obtain a non driving licence identification card if you can’t drive

you can’t just allow people to merrily toddle off to the election booth and smash society because it suits them and their fellow brigands hell bent on smashing society.

I would prefer the gubmint not ask me to provide my bona fides, but I accept if they want to give me money its something I will have to cop.

Are these brigands a problem? Not noticed them too much, but I am of the sheeple and was occupied with a CFA snag sanga when society was being smashed.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

you ask to see identification such as a drivers license – you can obtain a non driving licence identification card if you can’t drive

you can’t just allow people to merrily toddle off to the election booth and smash society because it suits them and their fellow brigands hell bent on smashing society.

I would prefer the gubmint not ask me to provide my bona fides, but I accept if they want to give me money its something I will have to cop.

Are these brigands a problem? Not noticed them too much, but I am of the sheeple and was occupied with a CFA snag sanga when society was being smashed.

you have not noticed what they are doing because you have chosen not to

what i am asking won;t cost any money – just show your id or don’t vote pure and simple

the fact is that most people don’t care or don’t know

as was discovered by the ancient greeks – but what did they know right?

Etymology

Look up idiot in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

Idiot as a word derived from the Greek ἰδιώτης, idiōtēs (“person lacking professional skill”, “a private citizen”, “individual”), from ἴδιος, idios (“private”, “one’s own”). In Latin the word idiota (“ordinary person, layman”) preceded the Late Latin meaning “uneducated or ignorant person.” Its modern meaning and form dates back to Middle English around the year 1300, from the Old French idiote (“uneducated or ignorant person”). The related word idiocy dates to 1487 and may have been analogously modeled on the words prophet and prophecy. The word has cognates in many other languages.

An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private—as opposed to public—affairs. Idiocy was the natural state of ignorance into which all persons were born and its opposite, citizenship, was effected through formalized education. In Athenian democracy, idiots were born and citizens were made through education (although citizenship was also largely hereditary). “Idiot” originally referred to “layman, person lacking professional skill”, “person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning”. Declining to take part in public life, such as democratic government of the polis (city state), was considered dishonorable. “Idiots” were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters. Over time, the term “idiot” shifted away from its original connotation of selfishness and came to refer to individuals with overall bad judgment–individuals who are “stupid”. According to the Bauer-Danker Lexicon, the noun ίδιωτής in ancient Greek meant “civilian” (ref Josephus Bell 2 178), “private citizen” (ref sb 3924 9 25), “private soldier as opposed to officer,” (Polybius 1.69), “relatively unskilled, not clever,” (Herodotus 2,81 and 7 199). The military connotation in Bauer’s definition stems from the fact that ancient Greek armies in the time of total war mobilized all male citizens (to the age of 50) to fight, and many of these citizens tended to fight poorly and ignorantly.

In modern English usage, the terms “idiot” and “idiocy” describe an extreme folly or stupidity, and its symptoms (foolish or stupid utterance or deed). In psychology, it is a historical term for the state or condition now called profound mental retardation.

After his service in the war, Socrates devoted himself to his favorite pastime: the pursuit of truth.

His reputation as a philosopher, literally meaning ‘a lover of wisdom’, soon spread all over Athens and beyond. When told that the Oracle of Delphi had revealed to one of his friends that Socrates was the wisest man in Athens, he responded not by boasting or celebrating, but by trying to prove the Oracle wrong.

So Socrates decided he would try and find out if anyone knew what was truly worthwhile in life, because anyone who knew that would surely be wiser than him. He set about questioning everyone he could find, but no one could give him a satisfactory answer. Instead they all pretended to know something they clearly did not.

Finally he realized the Oracle might be right after all. He was the wisest man in Athens because he alone was prepared to admit his own ignorance rather than pretend to know something he did not.

>i would get rid of the bodies that run the states elections and simply use the AEC to run elections directly

I actually agree with Wookie on this point.

Shoot me now

sibeen said:

Shoot me now

We might need your skills as an engineer.

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

you ask to see identification such as a drivers license – you can obtain a non driving licence identification card if you can’t drive

you can’t just allow people to merrily toddle off to the election booth and smash society because it suits them and their fellow brigands hell bent on smashing society.

I would prefer the gubmint not ask me to provide my bona fides, but I accept if they want to give me money its something I will have to cop.

Are these brigands a problem? Not noticed them too much, but I am of the sheeple and was occupied with a CFA snag sanga when society was being smashed.

you have not noticed what they are doing because you have chosen not to

Well agreed, I have not noticed electoral fraud being a problem. I even admitted I am of the sheeple and so go about with a gormless expression on my face, dribbling saliva. I rely on people like you to alert me to this stuff, you a re the one saying it is an issue, I was just hoping it was based on more than your say so.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

I would prefer the gubmint not ask me to provide my bona fides, but I accept if they want to give me money its something I will have to cop.

Are these brigands a problem? Not noticed them too much, but I am of the sheeple and was occupied with a CFA snag sanga when society was being smashed.

you have not noticed what they are doing because you have chosen not to

Well agreed, I have not noticed electoral fraud being a problem. I even admitted I am of the sheeple and so go about with a gormless expression on my face, dribbling saliva. I rely on people like you to alert me to this stuff, you a re the one saying it is an issue, I was just hoping it was based on more than your say so.

the fact is that people don’t know about it because they have no firsthand experience of it

think of it this way, do you really understand the workings of the law and court proceedings unless you have been exposed to it, do many people have a working knowledge of the weather other than seeing whats shown on television. its not possible to be an expert on everything.

forget the term ‘sheeple” you are either concerned with what happens outside your door or not. people are continually surprised that when you take no notice of what is happening on a public level their door often gets kicked in.

the first step is thinking for yourself , a very dangerous thing

quiet here tonight

wookiemeister said:

the first step is thinking for yourself , a very dangerous thing

I think I am, which is why I have been waiting for some or any evidence that electoral fraud is a problem in Oz. Otherwise I might unthinkingly believe something someone else said. A very dangerous thing.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

the first step is thinking for yourself , a very dangerous thing

I think I am, which is why I have been waiting for some or any evidence that electoral fraud is a problem in Oz. Otherwise I might unthinkingly believe something someone else said. A very dangerous thing.

then believe whatever you need to believe

i’m not here to convince anyone here

if you want to convince yourself – ring an electroal office and ask them if anyone need show id when voting

when you voted did you show id?

i had a hard enough time to try and convince martin smith that 15vac could do damage to someone

i never got him to call electrical safety victoria over the brooke hanson incident

to my knowledge he still thinks he’s right

wookiemeister said:

i’m not here to convince anyone here

if you want to convince yourself – ring an electroal office and ask them if anyone need show id when voting

when you voted did you show id?

Soooooooo is this an issue? You seem to think so. Personaly if they dont ask for ID I count that as a good thing. I am over the gubmint demanding ID.

You need to figure out what you are arguing about. Is it not presenting IDs that you have an issue with? Or do you think there are problems with electoral fraud.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

i’m not here to convince anyone here

if you want to convince yourself – ring an electroal office and ask them if anyone need show id when voting

when you voted did you show id?

Soooooooo is this an issue? You seem to think so. Personaly if they dont ask for ID I count that as a good thing. I am over the gubmint demanding ID.

You need to figure out what you are arguing about. Is it not presenting IDs that you have an issue with? Or do you think there are problems with electoral fraud.

electoral fraud

elected government not legitimate

laws passed not legitimate

power over the individual but not authority

the individual isn’t obliged to act in accordance with the law other than being threatened with a gun

society collapses because it isn’t represented at election time

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

i’m not here to convince anyone here

if you want to convince yourself – ring an electroal office and ask them if anyone need show id when voting

when you voted did you show id?

Soooooooo is this an issue? You seem to think so. Personaly if they dont ask for ID I count that as a good thing. I am over the gubmint demanding ID.

You need to figure out what you are arguing about. Is it not presenting IDs that you have an issue with? Or do you think there are problems with electoral fraud.

electoral fraud

elected government not legitimate

laws passed not legitimate

power over the individual but not authority

the individual isn’t obliged to act in accordance with the law other than being threatened with a gun

society collapses because it isn’t represented at election time

To be fair that didnt really answer the question if there is a current or even impending problem with electoral fraud.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

Soooooooo is this an issue? You seem to think so. Personaly if they dont ask for ID I count that as a good thing. I am over the gubmint demanding ID.

You need to figure out what you are arguing about. Is it not presenting IDs that you have an issue with? Or do you think there are problems with electoral fraud.

electoral fraud

elected government not legitimate

laws passed not legitimate

power over the individual but not authority

the individual isn’t obliged to act in accordance with the law other than being threatened with a gun

society collapses because it isn’t represented at election time

To be fair that didnt really answer the question if there is a current or even impending problem with electoral fraud.

do you think there would be any real statistics?

they wouldn’t be able to collect any meaningful data because you can’t verify who is actually voting legally or otherwise. the best they can do is try to compare books from other voting stations.

wookiemeister said:

electoral fraud

elected government not legitimate

laws passed not legitimate

power over the individual but not authority

the individual isn’t obliged to act in accordance with the law other than being threatened with a gun

society collapses because it isn’t represented at election time

Society hasn’t collapsed here, in spite of having that prize dickhead DFR as our local member. I’m sure his election was corrupt because I didn’t vote for him but he stil got in.

wookiemeister said:

do you think there would be any real statistics?

they wouldn’t be able to collect any meaningful data because you can’t verify who is actually voting legally or otherwise. the best they can do is try to compare books from other voting stations.

I have no clue, it is you spinning yarns about electoral fraud. I just think it needs to be defined as a problem before we start applying wookie world solutions.

I get the feeling you might be a jack boots and IDs person with all signage strictly adhered too.

http://www.gizmag.com/reef-rebuilding-coralbots/23998/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=82c5b5f5f1-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email

Underwater robots being developed to save damaged coral reefs
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Little Kid: Please sir, can Queensland get one of these for looking after the Great Barrier Reef?

Campbell Newman: Err, you’d have to direct that request through the Environmental Appeals Board,,,, no you can’t do that. I don’t think the public needs a means of appealing Government decisions regarding so called ‘natural stuff’. Bad luck bobby, or whatever your name is,,, errm,, Piss Off???