Date: 8/09/2012 23:13:26
From: brett
ID: 197506
Subject: The life of clouds

I wonder how much influence clouds have in our changing climate.

If the world heats up then we should have more clouds

If we have more clouds then we have more albedo and thus reflecting heat

Seems like a self regulating system.

I feel it is not that that simple..

Have I missed something?

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:16:48
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197507
Subject: re: The life of clouds

brett said:


I wonder how much influence clouds have in our changing climate.

If the world heats up then we should have more clouds

If we have more clouds then we have more albedo and thus reflecting heat

Seems like a self regulating system.

I feel it is not that that simple..

Have I missed something?


clouds trap heat in

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:17:03
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197508
Subject: re: The life of clouds

less sunlight to grow crops

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:20:38
From: brett
ID: 197510
Subject: re: The life of clouds

wookiemeister said:


brett said:

I wonder how much influence clouds have in our changing climate.

If the world heats up then we should have more clouds

If we have more clouds then we have more albedo and thus reflecting heat

Seems like a self regulating system.

I feel it is not that that simple..

Have I missed something?


clouds trap heat in

——

And also reflect heat

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:21:59
From: brett
ID: 197512
Subject: re: The life of clouds

wookiemeister said:


less sunlight to grow crops

And hotter more humid conditions

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:23:24
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197513
Subject: re: The life of clouds

the way it works is that the sunlight is the main growth factor

you could have all the water you needed but proper sunlight makes crops grow according to a schedule

if the soil is wet i’d bet that most crops apart from maybe sugar cane would rot in the ground

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:24:30
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197514
Subject: re: The life of clouds

when that volcano went off in java in 535 ad it created the dark ages literally, there was less sunlight

it makes me wonder if we might be making a nuclear winter

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:26:36
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197515
Subject: re: The life of clouds

i keep meaning to look into that interplay between carnon dioxide, carbon monoxide and soot (carbon) at high temps and pressure

it means that we could remove the carbon from the air quite simply by using sunlight

i found the reaction in an old marine technology boiler operation book ages ago but the book has been lost at someones house and can’t be found

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:31:23
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197516
Subject: re: The life of clouds

Boudouard reaction

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Boudouard reaction, named after Octave Leopold Boudouard, who discovered it in 1905, is the redox reaction of a chemical equilibrium mixture of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide at a given temperature. It is the disproportionation of carbon monoxide into carbon dioxide and graphite or its reverse: 2CO CO2 + C

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:40:25
From: brett
ID: 197517
Subject: re: The life of clouds

Oh, I realise that we are talking about now.

To invoke a past where the continents and ocean currents were different is not relevant

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:41:09
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197518
Subject: re: The life of clouds

been working on a few childrens books

“wookiemeister saves the world!” was my first

“wookiemeister gets high” was banned

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:43:10
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197519
Subject: re: The life of clouds

not sure what you are talking about

i’m just saying that if theres less light and the ground is wetter the crops would just rot before ever growing to maturity

it makes me wonder if more methane would be produced with all that stuff rotting

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:47:19
From: Stealth
ID: 197520
Subject: re: The life of clouds

wookiemeister said:


not sure what you are talking about

i’m just saying that if theres less light and the ground is wetter the crops would just rot before ever growing to maturity

it makes me wonder if more methane would be produced with all that stuff rotting


Methane is from anerobic decomp, which would not be the case so much here.

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:48:12
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197521
Subject: re: The life of clouds

Stealth said:


wookiemeister said:

not sure what you are talking about

i’m just saying that if theres less light and the ground is wetter the crops would just rot before ever growing to maturity

it makes me wonder if more methane would be produced with all that stuff rotting


Methane is from anerobic decomp, which would not be the case so much here.


unless the rotting stuff was submerged under water if there was ongoing rain for weeks on end

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:49:01
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197522
Subject: re: The life of clouds

i’m thinking that more rain means more methane

in the summer methane production would increase by my thinking

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:49:20
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197523
Subject: re: The life of clouds

summer wet
winter dry

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:51:18
From: brett
ID: 197524
Subject: re: The life of clouds

wookiemeister said:


not sure what you are talking about

i’m just saying that if theres less light and the ground is wetter the crops would just rot before ever growing to maturity

it makes me wonder if more methane would be produced with all that stuff rotting

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I wonder what influence clouds have as the world heats.

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:54:02
From: wookiemeister
ID: 197525
Subject: re: The life of clouds

you’ll have more clouds to negate the increased temperatures

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:55:14
From: Kingy
ID: 197526
Subject: re: The life of clouds

We need Zarkie to get this thread really rockin’

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Date: 8/09/2012 23:57:01
From: Stealth
ID: 197527
Subject: re: The life of clouds

The clouds will deposit a thin layer of oil across the surface of the oceans…

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Date: 9/09/2012 10:05:26
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 197582
Subject: re: The life of clouds

Brett the link below seems to cover what you want.
I havent read it but a cursory flick through it would indicate that it is kosher.
From what I did read there is some interesting stuff there and I’ll read it properly when I have more time.

http://www.climate4you.com/ClimateAndClouds.htm

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Date: 10/09/2012 21:35:25
From: brett
ID: 198168
Subject: re: The life of clouds

Thanks for the link PWM.

Prof Ole Humlum is making me squint.

He certainly knows his data sets and where the dots are.

Although all becomes a bit clearer with the long term
trend line

After much consideration

all I can say is

I have looked at graphs for some time now
from up and down and still somehow
It’s graphs illusions I recall
I really don’t know graphs, at all.

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