Feeling the need to kickstart this spring diet with a couple weeks of near-fasting. How does this sound for a complete diet:

Sardines & Other Fish
Green Salads with No Dressing
Steamed Greens
Dry Ryvitas
Oranges & Other Fruit Excluding Bananas
Skim Milk
Water
Tea
Air

sounds like hell.

Dropbear said:

sounds like hell.

I’m going to pretend it’s delicious and great fun.

Dropbear said:

sounds like hell.

+1

Also, life’s too short for low fat cheese.

>Green Salads with No Dressing

Actually a few drops of vinegar would probably be OK.

>> How does this sound for a complete diet:

I think it’s a fridge too far.

>Also, life’s too short for low fat cheese.

No cheese is planned. Particularly not cottage cheese which is like eating nothing anyway.

I think you need to embrace spwing with some long fat burning bucolic bike trundles into the far countryside achieving both an inner peace being at one with nature and reducing your waiste line.
Also when you are really fit you become a cheap drunk, one glass of wine and you are well away, talking shorthand and diving on grenades after two and sound asleep on the couch after three.

I’m thinking: no oil or fat of any kind, except the good oils found in fish. And not too much of that either.

No bread, potatoes, rice, pasta.

Peak Warming Man said:

I think you need to embrace spwing with some long fat burning bucolic bike trundles into the far countryside achieving both an inner peace being at one with nature and reducing your waiste line.
Also when you are really fit you become a cheap drunk, one glass of wine and you are well away, talking shorthand and diving on grenades after two and sound asleep on the couch after three.

I’ll be doing some long walks as well as the bike rides. It was cutting out the walks and relying too much on the bike that helped push me into my current beachball configuration.

your beach ball configuration has a lot more to do with what goes into your mouth, than the calorific difference between bike riding and walking

Peak Warming Man said:

Also when you are really fit you become a cheap drunk, one glass of wine and you are well away, talking shorthand and diving on grenades after two and sound asleep on the couch after three.

This is true. I had a friend once who could drink like a fish. He never showed any signs of inebriation. Then he went on a big weight loss campaign that saw him thin down to a shadow of his former self. At a social gathering, he commented to me that he noticed that people avoided talking to him since he had lost the weight and he had deduced it was because they thought he had some serious illness and didn’t want to end up talking about it. The fact was that he had become a two pot screamer.

>The fact was that he had become a two pot screamer.

No two pot screaming is planned, but there’ll definitely be a huge reduction in booze intake.

Bubble Car said:

>Green Salads with No Dressing

Actually a few drops of vinegar would probably be OK.

…and lemon juice, of course.

Looks OK to me, Car.

I would suggest throwing in some grain, fibre, legumes and the occasional serving of red meat.

Also, it would be worth having a plan in place for when you feel hungry: High-satiety foods like Porridge, Oranges, Ling Fish, Baked Beans, boiled Potatoes (I’ll come back to them) and brown Pasta.

On the subject of Potatoes and other carbohydrate foods, I think it’s important to understand that the body uses different energy sources for different purposes and the only fuel the brain and nervous system can metabolise is carbohydrate (except alcohol, but that’s not a good thing).

It’s tempting to design a diet around minimum energy input, but there’s a vast amount of evidence that it doesn’t work. Indeed, it’s counter-productive and most of the people who go down that path come back fatter.

Some links for your perusal:

The Glycemic Index

The Satiety Index

Thermodynamics of Weight Loss Diets

There’s some stuff you might need to know about measuring and tracking and goals, too, but I’ll save that for when you’re ready.

If you’re too restrictive, you’ll go back to binging on all the good stuff anyway.

Divine Angel said:

If you’re too restrictive, you’ll go back to binging on all the good stuff anyway.

And it wont work. The body is extremely well adapted to dietary restriction so long periods of near-starvation make almost no difference in the long-term.

Ta Rule. I’ll be introducing more variety as spring unfolds, but wanting this more minimal approach to get it all moving.

DA, there’ll aslo be daily self-hypno sessions to get the willpower nicely focused :)

It sounds like it’s going to be really really spiffing when it all comes together Bubbles, in the fullness of time.

And time to be planting tomatos and virtuous things to eat.

Peak Warming Man said:

>> How does this sound for a complete diet:

I think it’s a fridge too far.

gold

Bubble Car said:

I’ll be doing some long walks as well as the bike rides. It was cutting out the walks and relying too much on the bike that helped push me into my current beachball configuration.

Both use roughly the same amount of energy (2,400 kJ/hr), which is about what you’d eat in a main meal. For a large car such as yourself, it’s probably not ridiculous to say you would want to aim for that level of energy deficit most days while the motivation is strong and the focus is good. As the psychological energy waxes and wains down the track, re-design the diet to something that’s easier to maintain.

Unless your needs are urgent, the best possible pattern of fat loss will produce as a very slight downward trend line on a graph.

Something a lot of people find helpful is to chart their daily activity levels (by time) and make a few educated guesses about their energy needs. From the way you have often described your eating, it seems to me that you intake most of your daily energy just before bedtime, when you body has no need for it, so it stores as fat. This factor, I think, could be vital to your diet.

i eat only raw brussel sprouts and cabbage to preserve my looks

Bubble Car said:

Oranges & Other Fruit Excluding Bananas

What’s wrong with bananas?

Rule 303 said:

From the way you have often described your eating, it seems to me that you intake most of your daily energy just before bedtime, when you body has no need for it, so it stores as fat. This factor, I think, could be vital to your diet.

There’s a maxim that suggests you should breakfast like a king, eat lunch like a prince, and have dinner like a pauper.

AussieDJ said:

Rule 303 said:

From the way you have often described your eating, it seems to me that you intake most of your daily energy just before bedtime, when you body has no need for it, so it stores as fat. This factor, I think, could be vital to your diet.

There’s a maxim that suggests you should breakfast like a king, eat lunch like a prince, and have dinner like a pauper.

Perhaps you could have breakfast at Maxim’s, lunch at Maharajah’s and dinner at Macca’s?

AussieDJ said:

Bubble Car said:

Oranges & Other Fruit Excluding Bananas

What’s wrong with bananas?

full of carbs… and do funky things with your bio-chemistry that hinder weight loss…

SqueezeBabe said:

AussieDJ said:

Bubble Car said:

Oranges & Other Fruit Excluding Bananas

What’s wrong with bananas?

full of carbs… and do funky things with your bio-chemistry that hinder weight loss…

My sister’s PT only eats raw food. Her brekky is a 30-banana smoothie.

SqueezeBabe said:

AussieDJ said:

Bubble Car said:

Oranges & Other Fruit Excluding Bananas

What’s wrong with bananas?

full of carbs… and do funky things with your bio-chemistry that hinder weight loss…

But Rule says carbs are good ..
Rule 303 said:

On the subject of Potatoes and other carbohydrate foods, I think it’s important to understand that the body uses different energy sources for different purposes and the only fuel the brain and nervous system can metabolise is carbohydrate (except alcohol, but that’s not a good thing).

Besides, bananananananananananas are chock full of potassium and B group vitamins.

Well for breakfast PWM has two weetbix with a chopped up banana on top and then covered in proper milk(not milk reduced milk) and sprinkled with a tablespoon of sugar washed down with a cup of black tea.

>My sister’s PT

What’s a PT?

I find that if i have porridge for breakfast, then i go on this huge eating binge for the rest of the day…

If i stick with my bacon, tomato and egg toastie, i’m generally not hungry again until the late afternoon…

but then again, i’ve never been “normal” when it comes to food…

Personal trainer.

For a single male living on his own you eat very well Bubblecar, when its just me I am extremely lazy

How does anyone eat 30 bananas in one sitting?

Bubble Car said:

Ah yes, the sphagnum core of feminine hygiene products :)

sibeen said:

How does anyone eat 30 bananas in one sitting?

lubrication?

“What’s for dinner Mum?”

Her frequent reply was:- “a glass of water and a worm”

Still miss my Mum, but not that particular dinner, all the rest of her meals were excellent.

sibeen said:

How does anyone eat 30 bananas in one sitting?

Like this:

Have you actually started this regime yet Bubblecar? (I’ve been away, missed a couple of days here). I have a suggestion for you, in case that proves a bit hard to get started on. Get yourself an entree size plate. You know dinner sets have dinner plates, entree plates and bread and butter plates? Use an entree plate for your dinner but eat the same good food you usually do. You can’t fit as much on it. So you think you are eating a whole plate of food, and you are, you are just eating about a third less. Many years ago a patient of mine had a strong medical reason to lose weight, and she used this method very successfully.

Of course, you do have to avoid second helpings and supper and stuff like that. And visitors who scoff slices of cheesecake in front of you…….

:)

What about second breakfasts and elevenses?

Dropbear said:

What about second breakfasts and elevenses?

Is that either? or?

Dropbear said:

What about second breakfasts and elevenses?

Dropbear asking the real questions about dieting!

seriously

bob(from black rock) said:

Dropbear said:

What about second breakfasts and elevenses?

Is that either? or?

definitely “and”….