Date: 20/09/2012 22:05:37
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202062
Subject: sounds familiar?

The Mukden Incident,

also known as the Manchurian Incident, was a staged event engineered by Japanese military personnel as a pretext for invading the northern part of China, known as Manchuria, in 1931.

On September 18, 1931, a small quantity of dynamite was detonated by Lt. Kawamoto Suemori close to a railroad owned by Japan’s South Manchuria Railway near Mukden (now Shenyang). Although the explosion was so weak that it failed to destroy the lines and a train passed minutes later, the Imperial Japanese Army, accusing Chinese dissidents of the act, responded with a full invasion that led to the occupation of Manchuria, in which Japan established its puppet state of Manchukuo six months later. The ruse was soon exposed to the international community, leading Japan to diplomatic isolation and its March 1933 withdrawal from the League of Nations.

The actual event is known as the “Liutiaohu Incident” (simplified Chinese: 柳条湖事变; traditional Chinese: 柳條湖事變; pinyin: Liǔtiáohú Shìbiàn, Japanese: 柳条湖事件, Ryūjōko-jiken), and the event including its aftermath is known in Japan as the “Manchurian Incident” (Kyūjitai: 滿洲事變, Shinjitai: 満州事変, Manshū-jihen) and in China as the “September 18 Incident” (simplified Chinese: 九一八事变; traditional Chinese: 九一八事變; pinyin: Jiǔyībā Shìbiàn).

The Gleiwitz incident

was a part of a larger operation, carried out by Abwehr and SS forces. At the same time as the Gleiwitz attack, there were other incidents orchestrated by Germany along the Polish-German border, such as house torching in the Polish Corridor and spurious propaganda output. The entire project, dubbed Operation Himmler and comprising 21 incidents in all, was intended to give the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany.

For months before the 1939 invasion, German newspapers and politicians like Adolf Hitler accused Polish authorities of organizing or tolerating violent ethnic cleansing of ethnic Germans living in Poland.

On the day following the Gleiwitz attack, 1 September 1939, Germany launched the Fall Weiss operation — the invasion of Poland — initiating World War II in Europe. On the same day, in a speech in the Reichstag, Adolf Hitler cited the 21 border incidents, with three of them called very serious, as justification for Germany’s “defensive” action against Poland. Just a few days earlier, on 22 August, he had told his generals, “I will provide a propagandistic casus belli. Its credibility doesn’t matter. The victor will not be asked whether he told the truth.”

The September 11 incident

was a series of four coordinated suicide attacks upon the United States in New York City and the Washington, D.C. areas on September 11, 2001. On that Tuesday morning, 19 terrorists from the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda hijacked four passenger jets. The hijackers intentionally flew two of those planes, American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175, into the North and South towers of the World Trade Center complex in New York City; both towers collapsed within two hours.

the armed forces of the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, and the Afghan United Front (Northern Alliance) launched Operation Enduring Freedom. The primary driver of the invasion was the September 11 attacks on the United States, with the stated goal of dismantling the al-Qaeda terrorist organization and ending its use of Afghanistan as a base. The United States also said that it would remove the Taliban regime from power and create a viable democratic state. More than a decade into the war, NATO forces continue to battle a widespread Taliban insurgency, and the war has expanded into the tribal area of neighboring Pakistan. The War in Afghanistan is also the United States’ longest running war.

The 2003 Invasion of Iraq (19 March – 1 May 2003), was the start of the conflict known as the Iraq War, or Operation Iraqi Freedom, in which a combined force of troops from the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland invaded Iraq and toppled the regime of Saddam Hussein in 21 days of major combat operations. The invasion phase consisted of a conventionally fought war which concluded with the capture of the Iraq capital Baghdad by United States forces.

According to U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the coalition mission was “to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein’s support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people.” Former chief counter-terrorism adviser on the National Security Council Richard A. Clarke believes Mr. Bush came into office with a plan to invade Iraq. According to Blair, the trigger was Iraq’s failure to take a “final opportunity” to disarm itself of alleged nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons that U.S. and British officials called an immediate and intolerable threat to world peace. In 2005, the Central Intelligence Agency released a report saying that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq.

The Sarajevo Incident

On 28 June 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, heir presumptive to the Austro-Hungarian throne, and his wife, Sophie, Duchess of Hohenberg, were shot dead in Sarajevo, by Gavrilo Princip, one of a group of six Bosnian Serb assassins coordinated by Danilo Ilić. The political objective of the assassination was to break off Austria-Hungary’s south-Slav provinces so they could be combined into a Greater Serbia or a Yugoslavia. The assassins’ motives were consistent with the movement that later became known as Young Bosnia. Serbian military officers stood behind the attack. On the eve of his execution, Malobabić told a priest: “They ordered me to go to Sarajevo when that assassination was to take place, and when everything was over, they ordered me to come back and fulfill other missions, and then there was the outbreak of the war.” which were assembled in two opposing alliances: the Allies (based on the Triple Entente of the United Kingdom, France and Russia) and the Central Powers (originally centred around the Triple Alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy; but, as Austria–Hungary had taken the offensive against the agreement, Italy did not enter into the war). These alliances both reorganised (Italy fought for the Allies), and expanded as more nations entered the war. Ultimately more than 70 million military personnel, including 60 million Europeans, were mobilised in one of the largest wars in history. More than 9 million combatants were killed, largely because of enormous increases in lethality of weapons, thanks to new technology, without corresponding improvements in protection or mobility. It was the sixth-deadliest conflict in world history, subsequently paving the way for various political changes such as revolutions in many of the nations involved.

The Dealey Plaza Incident

John Fitzgerald Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States, was assassinated at 12:30 p.m. Central Standard Time (18:30 UTC) on Friday, November 22, 1963, in Dealey Plaza, Dallas, Texas. Kennedy was fatally shot while traveling with his wife Jacqueline, Texas Governor John Connally, and the latter’s wife Nellie, in a Presidential motorcade. The ten-month investigation by the Warren Commission concluded that Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone and that Jack Ruby acted alone when he killed Oswald before he could stand trial. The Commission’s conclusions were initially supported by a majority of the American public. However, polls conducted from 1966 to 2004 found that as many as 80 percent of Americans have suspected that there was a plot or cover-up.

On 24 November 1963, Johnson said, “the battle against communism… must be joined… with strength and determination.” The pledge came at a time when Vietnam was deteriorating, especially in places like the Mekong Delta, because of the recent coup against Diem. Johnson had reversed Kennedy’s disengagement policy from Vietnam in withdrawing 1,000 troops by the end of 1963 (NSAM 263 on 11 October), with his own NSAM 273 (26 November) to expand the war.

On 2 August 1964, the USS Maddox, on an intelligence mission along North Vietnam’s coast, allegedly fired upon and damaged several torpedo boats that had been stalking it in the Gulf of Tonkin. A second attack was reported two days later on the USS Turner Joy and Maddox in the same area. The circumstances of the attack were murky. Lyndon Johnson commented to Undersecretary of State George Ball that “those sailors out there may have been shooting at flying fish.”

The second attack led to retaliatory air strikes, prompted Congress to approve the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution on 7 August 1964, signed by Johnson, and gave the President power to conduct military operations in Southeast Asia without declaring war. Although Congressmen at the time denied that this was a full scale war declaration, the Tonkin Resolution allowed the President unilateral power to launch a full scale war if the President deemed necessary. In the same month, Johnson pledged that he was not “… committing American boys to fighting a war that I think ought to be fought by the boys of Asia to help protect their own land.”

An undated NSA publication declassified in 2005, however, revealed that there was no attack on 4 August.[

The Persian Gulf incident

On the 25th September 2012 during naval manoeuvres in the Persian Gulf Iranian surface batteries were claimed to have fired upon Allied naval vessels. After a meeting of Allied powers it was decided to attack iran in retaliation. Landforces quickly took ports to the south and nuclear facilities across iran were damaged. The Iranian response was limited but caused damage in the region and a UN security brokered peace resolution to end hostilities was signed.

an updated NSA publication declassified in 2035 found no such attack occured on Allied naval vessels on 25th September

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:20:03
From: Cymek
ID: 202063
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Personally I think WW 3 will start when terrorists from the Middle East explode a nuclear weapon or disperse a dirty bomb in a Western city. The response will most likely see most of the Middle East wiped off the map including the destruction of Israel which uses it nuclear weapons after being invaded by a semi-united Middle East.

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:23:51
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202064
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

i wouldn’t take me too seriously about the 25th september 2012

i’ve been eating mint slices and the spirit has moved me to write this stuff, i started thinking about various stuff and for some reason just decided that the attack on iran will be on the 25th september 2012

whats interesting is this

i’ve started googling attack on iran 25th september 2012 and theres someone out there that agrees with me (but i guess if i had done that any old date would have done)

http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2012/09/bombshell-wwiii-starts-sept-25th-says-former-state-dept-veteran-2443464.html

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:25:10
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202065
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

i could always ask a relative what she thinks if i were concerned (which i’m not)

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:25:42
From: Cymek
ID: 202066
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

i reckon you could start a serious shit fight by destroying the Temple Mount

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:29:18
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 202067
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Cymek said:


i reckon you could start a serious shit fight by destroying the Temple Mount

If both the wailing wall and the Dome of the Rock were destroyed the two sides could perhaps find themselves united in condemnation of the attack.

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:29:51
From: Rule 303
ID: 202068
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Here’s a thing you can say for sure – If these wars are mostly about the Oil, it’s not working!.

:-(

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:31:45
From: party_pants
ID: 202069
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Cymek said:


i reckon you could start a serious shit fight by destroying the Temple Mount

I’m sure there are shitloads of old Russian airliners with one last flight left in them..

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:33:46
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202070
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

a few years ago i woke and started mouthing the name of an israeli settlement in the west bank i had known the name of and it turned out that there had been an attack on it within hours.

the great thing about australia is that in a war like this no one gives a fig about this place.

the mint slices are wearing off now

the problem is that when society has no power or say over how things take place we left with the fanatics (of all persuasions) running the show

anyone paying a mortgage doesn’t want a war because it becomes a nuisance to pay the debt off.

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:40:24
From: 19 shillings
ID: 202071
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Nah, there will not be a WW3 anytime soon.

WW2 was started by a meglomaniac, that promoted psychopaths and then suicided.
Surely it would not happen again.

In our lifetime the only possibility could be from China, a very old culture who is accutely aware what Mao did.

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:42:51
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202072
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

if you wanted to start a shitfight you’d bomb the kaaba

word is that it was the building that houses mohammed’s extensive wardrobe

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:43:15
From: morrie
ID: 202073
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Some great leads off that last link you gave Wookie. I think I will join this mob.
http://lifechanyuan.org/2ndhome/2ndhome/Welcome.html

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:47:42
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202074
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

morrie said:


Some great leads off that last link you gave Wookie. I think I will join this mob.
http://lifechanyuan.org/2ndhome/2ndhome/Welcome.html

they are either selling something or have some voluminous conspiracy – which i’d be happy to entertain for the next few minutes

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:48:58
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202075
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

some sort of massive swingers community?

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:49:01
From: morrie
ID: 202076
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

wookiemeister said:


morrie said:

Some great leads off that last link you gave Wookie. I think I will join this mob.
http://lifechanyuan.org/2ndhome/2ndhome/Welcome.html

they are either selling something or have some voluminous conspiracy – which i’d be happy to entertain for the next few minutes


Seems like a weird Chinese hippy cult.

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:49:36
From: Cymek
ID: 202077
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

I was reading conspiracies on Wikipedia today, the believers give government and those the claim are involved to much credit and intelligence

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Date: 20/09/2012 22:52:00
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202079
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

i can totally dig this beforeitsnews site

i prefer hardcore conspiracy myself

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:08:12
From: Kingy
ID: 202083
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Cymek said:


Personally I think WW 3 will start when terrorists from the Middle East explode a nuclear weapon or disperse a dirty bomb in a Western city. The response will most likely see most of the Middle East wiped off the map including the destruction of Israel which uses it nuclear weapons after being invaded by a semi-united Middle East.

Yep, that’s just about my guess too, though I am thinking that it will be an Israeli city that gets it.
I think that Israel will not use nukes unless it finds out who dunnit.
Also Israels military is capable of fending off Arab nutters with armies.

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:11:20
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202085
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Kingy said:


Cymek said:

Personally I think WW 3 will start when terrorists from the Middle East explode a nuclear weapon or disperse a dirty bomb in a Western city. The response will most likely see most of the Middle East wiped off the map including the destruction of Israel which uses it nuclear weapons after being invaded by a semi-united Middle East.

Yep, that’s just about my guess too, though I am thinking that it will be an Israeli city that gets it.
I think that Israel will not use nukes unless it finds out who dunnit.
Also Israels military is capable of fending off Arab nutters with armies.


(IAP News) — An Israeli professor and military historian hinted that Israel could avenge the holocaust by annihilating millions of Germans and other Europeans.

Speaking during an interview which was published in Jerusalem Friday, Professor Martin Van Crevel said Israel had the capability of hitting most European capitals with nuclear weapons.

“We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force.”

Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, pointed out that “collective deportation” was Israel’s only meaningful strategy towards the Palestinian people.

“The Palestinians should all be deported. The people who strive for this (the Israeli government) are waiting only for the right man and the right time. Two years ago, only 7 or 8 per cent of Israelis were of the opinion that this would be the best solution, two months ago it was 33 per cent, and now, according to a Gallup poll, the figure is 44 percent.”

Creveld said he was sure that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon wanted to deport the Palestinians.

“I think it’s quite possible that he wants to do that. He wants to escalate the conflict. He knows that nothing else we do will succeed.”

Asked if he was worried about Israel becoming a rogue state if it carried out a genocidal deportation against Palestinians, Creveld quoted former Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan who said “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.”

Creveld argued that Israel wouldn’t care much about becoming a rogue state.

“Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that this will happen before Israel goes under.”

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:14:09
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202087
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

you have been brainwashed that the middle eats has good guys

they are all bad

read the fall of jerusalem – everyone in the middle east thought they were dogs bollocks – they all rose and fell on the back of time

josephus points out that jerusalem wasn’t even a jewish city – it was built by someone else.

he saw the madness that religious devotion led, he had to fake his own death to get out the city whilst under siege by the romans.

masada was the end game of the fall of jerusalem

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:15:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 202089
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

all I can say is that it must have been a good video game that somebody lost in the desert and they’ve been fighting about it ever since.

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:16:09
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202090
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

when i visited “the dead cities” in syria in 2007 the locals were busy tidying the place up and using historical artifacts to build boundary walls.

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:21:41
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202092
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

from the sounds of it an israeli strike on the world would be aimed at europe

australia will probably be ok as there are too many small cities

maintaining an nuclear arsenal is expensive

if as the learned professor suggests, israel will probably hit major european centres

the nuclear repsonse from british subs will be devastating as they will probably get word from where these missiles have come from one way or the other.

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:23:05
From: sibeen
ID: 202093
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Wookie, you are pure gold. I’d never hear of “before it’s news”. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, for pointing this out. It’ll keep me in giggles for many a long day.

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:25:14
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202095
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

sibeen said:


Wookie, you are pure gold. I’d never hear of “before it’s news”. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, for pointing this out. It’ll keep me in giggles for many a long day.

i’d never heard of it until i googled 25th sep attack on iran or something similar

i wouldn’t waste too much time on it though

its always the same with these sites , you get conspiracy overload and just don’t care anymore.

the survivalists seem to feature on it, three days food blah blah blah

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:31:01
From: sibeen
ID: 202096
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

>i wouldn’t waste too much time on it though

Are you mad? This is the motherlode. I’ve just found newly released David Icke videos.

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:34:06
From: Kingy
ID: 202097
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

No country will attack Iran unless Iran attacks first.
Winning a war against Iran will require an invasion, which will be a slaughterhouse.
That’s why the US just has it surrounded, in order to be able to have war by proxy in neighbouring countries where they have a good chance of winning.

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:36:38
From: Kingy
ID: 202099
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

sibeen said:


>i wouldn’t waste too much time on it though

Are you mad? This is the motherlode. I’ve just found newly released David Icke videos.

It also claims that Nibiru is a fraud.

That should tell you that it isn’t serious about loony theories.

A proper nutter site would be claiming that not only is Nibiru real, but it is the headquarters of the Illuminati, and that NASA have a moon base there.

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:37:49
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202101
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Kingy said:


No country will attack Iran unless Iran attacks first.
Winning a war against Iran will require an invasion, which will be a slaughterhouse.
That’s why the US just has it surrounded, in order to be able to have war by proxy in neighbouring countries where they have a good chance of winning.


unlikely

it will be a “false flag” attack

i wouldn’t worry about it , theres nothing you can do now even if you wanted to – exactly what say do you have anyway.

chances are nothing will happen, if it does so what?

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:38:29
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202102
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Kingy said:


sibeen said:

>i wouldn’t waste too much time on it though

Are you mad? This is the motherlode. I’ve just found newly released David Icke videos.

It also claims that Nibiru is a fraud.

That should tell you that it isn’t serious about loony theories.

A proper nutter site would be claiming that not only is Nibiru real, but it is the headquarters of the Illuminati, and that NASA have a moon base there.


whaa nabiru not real?

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:39:42
From: wookiemeister
ID: 202104
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

look

lets say they attack so what?

no bombs will fall here

the world demand for coal and steel will continue

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:42:32
From: Rule 303
ID: 202108
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Perhaps someone here could clear this up for me – When, where and by whom was war declared in the middle east?

I’ve seen a series of invasions and a lot of innocent people getting killed, much talk of ‘enemy combatants’, but nothing that looks like an organised state of conflict, subject to the reasonable expectation of humanitarian treatment of the victims of war.

Hmmmm….?

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:47:16
From: Kingy
ID: 202110
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Rule 303 said:


Perhaps someone here could clear this up for me – When, where and by whom was war declared in the middle east?

I’ve seen a series of invasions and a lot of innocent people getting killed, much talk of ‘enemy combatants’, but nothing that looks like an organised state of conflict, subject to the reasonable expectation of humanitarian treatment of the victims of war.

Hmmmm….?

They have official wars, interspersed with periods of general conflict, only interrupted by brief ceasefires in order to re-arm.

Not sure that they actually understand the term “humanitarian treatment”.

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:47:57
From: 19 shillings
ID: 202112
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:50:48
From: Kingy
ID: 202114
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

19 shillings said:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

I’ve been lurking here for years:

http://www.israelmilitary.net/index.php

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Date: 20/09/2012 23:53:57
From: 19 shillings
ID: 202116
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Kingy said:


19 shillings said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

I’ve been lurking here for years:

http://www.israelmilitary.net/index.php

Then why did you ask?

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Date: 21/09/2012 00:00:44
From: Kingy
ID: 202117
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

19 shillings said:


Kingy said:

19 shillings said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

I’ve been lurking here for years:

http://www.israelmilitary.net/index.php

Then why did you ask?

Huh?

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Date: 21/09/2012 00:09:13
From: Kingy
ID: 202118
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

Three strangers strike up a conversation in the passenger lounge in Bozeman , Montana , while waiting for their flights…

One is an American Indian passing through from Lame Deer, another is a Cowboy on his way to Billings for a livestock show and the third passenger is a fundamentalist Arab student, newly arrived at Montana StateUniversity from the Middle East .

Their discussion drifts to their diverse cultures. Soon, the two Westerners learn that the Arab is a devout, radical Muslim and the conversation falls into an uneasy lull.

The cowboy leans back in his chair, crosses his boots on a magazine table, tips his big sweat-stained hat forward over his face, and lights a cigarette. The wind outside is blowing tumbleweeds around, and the old windsock is flapping; but still no plane comes.

Finally, the American Indian clears his throat and softly he speaks, ‘At one time here… my people were many… but sadly, now we are few.’

The Muslim student raises an eyebrow and leans forward,
‘Once my people were few,’ he sneers, ‘and now we are many. Why do you suppose that is?’

The cowboy removes his cigarette from his mouth… and from the darkness beneath his Stetson says in a slow smooth drawl . . .

‘I reckon that’s ‘cause we ain’t played Cowboys and Muslims yet. But I do believe it’s a-comin’.’

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Date: 21/09/2012 00:25:31
From: Skunkworks
ID: 202123
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

19 shillings said:

WW2 was started by a meglomaniac, that promoted psychopaths and then suicided.
Surely it would not happen again.

It was but the seed was already there in the defeat of WW1 where many of the uniformed didnt believe they had lost (militarily) , but instead were betrayed by politicians and the subsequent excessive reparations. A lesson not lost on General Marshall of the Marshall plan.

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Date: 6/10/2012 13:27:42
From: wookiemeister
ID: 208451
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-06/turkey-27not-far27-from-war-with-syria/4298974

There has been another exchange of fire across the border between Turkey and Syria, with Turkey’s prime minister warning the two nations are “not far” from war.

In a belligerent speech to a crowd in Istanbul on Friday, Turkish prime minister Tayyip Erdogan warned the Syrian government it would be making a fatal mistake if it picked a fight with Turkey.

The heated rhetoric came as Turkey’s military again returned fire across the border after Syrian shells again landed on Turkish soil on Friday.

The cross-border shelling follows a Syrian mortar barrage on a town in south-east Turkey that killed five people on Tuesday.

Turkish artillery continued to bombard Syrian military targets on Wednesday and Thursday in response, killing several Syrian soldiers.

Audio: Listen to Matt Brown’s report (AM)
The Turkish parliament then authorised a one-year mandate for cross-border military action in the event of further aggression.

Mr Erdogan warned Syria that it would pay “a big price” for further attacks.

“We are not interested in war, but we’re not far from it either,” Mr Erdogan said in his speech.

“Those who attempt to test Turkey’s deterrence, its decisiveness, its capacity – I say here they are making a fatal mistake.

“When they say ‘if you want peace prepare for war’ it means that when the time comes, war becomes the key to peace”.

The head of Syria’s main opposition coalition, the Syrian National Council (SNC), says president Bashar al-Assad is trying to turn the civil war into a regional conflict.

“This incident was a Syrian regime plan,” SNC chief Abdel Basset Sayda told reporters at a press conference in Istanbul.

“The regime is trying to export the Syrian crisis. He (Syrian president Bashar al-Assad) thinks, that way, he can transform the conflict into a regional one.”

Turkey, once an Assad ally but now a leading voice in calls for him to quit, shelters more than 90,000 Syrian refugees in camps on its territory and has allowed rebel army leaders sanctuary.

Violence has also spilled over into Lebanon.

The UN Security Council condemned the original Syrian attack and demanded that such violations of international law stop immediately.

The United States has said it stands by its NATO ally’s right to defend itself against aggression spilling over from Syria’s war.

This exchange of fire is another serious incident. There have been no casualties on the Turkish side that we know about, but it’s serious for a number of reasons.
What’s happened is again, a Syrian shell has been fired across the border and landed in Turkey.
This time it landed in farmland, and as I say, there were no casualties that we’re aware of, but Turkey has fired back, and it’s unclear what the Turkish artillery hit on the Syrian side.
This came in a day where the Turkish prime minister told a large rally in Istanbul that Turkey is not interested in a war, but it’s not far from one either, and that no-one should try and test Turkish resolve or its capacity.
Middle East correspondent Matt Brown
Homs bombed
In the Syrian civil conflict, the military has launched an intense attack on the city of Homs.

The city has been an important centre of resistance and opposition activists say the government has launched its most intense attack there in five months.

Activist say rockets and bombs fell on the city killing eight civilians and a rebel fighter.

The London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says six civilians and eleven rebels were killed in Aleppo, taking Friday’s nationwide death toll to 95.

Meanwhile, Syrian rebel fighters are threatening to execute dozens of Iranians they kidnapped in August unless Syria’s army withdraws from the embattled eastern Ghuta area of Damascus province.

It is the second time the rebels have issued such a threat against the Iranian hostages.

On August 5, rebels posted a video of 48 Iranians kidnapped in Damascus, saying they were elite Revolutionary Guards.

“We gave the regime 48 hours starting yesterday to withdraw completely from the eastern Ghuta area,” said Abul Wafa, the commander of the rebels’ so-called Revolutionary Military Council.

“We also have other secret, military demands. If the regime does not fulfil them we will start finishing off the hostages.”

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Date: 6/10/2012 13:55:58
From: party_pants
ID: 208458
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

you seem to be eager for a war Wookie.

Are you planning on going over there yourself to watch it, or will you stay at home and view it on TV?

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Date: 6/10/2012 14:08:59
From: wookiemeister
ID: 208461
Subject: re: sounds familiar?

party_pants said:


you seem to be eager for a war Wookie.

Are you planning on going over there yourself to watch it, or will you stay at home and view it on TV?


no i’m saying that many wars start with false flag operations. the mortars are probably coming from turkish troops or free syria activists or perhaps other operatives from elesewhere to provoke a war.

it would be interetsing though to see how it plays out. the middle east has been at war for thousands of years, its just what they do.

anyone silly enough to take up middle eastern religions always starts religious wars, do you think those chinese who have taken up christianity in 1000 years are going to just sit there whilst the throne of god is dominated by the infidel? it took 1000 years for the europeans to get embroiled in the middle east, it will take the chinese a 1000 years too.

the best thing in a middle eastern conflict is to do nothing. the free syria mob are taking hostages and threatening to kill them, the syrian army is up to no good. in libya the same freedom fighters broke into the us embassy and killed the ambassador.

when in doubt do nowt

once they’ve taken a critical number of casulaties the whole thing dies away. when we get involved we tip the balance but it always bites us on the arse.

let them fight it out

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