My poor old 180 B waggon has gone to God, but looks like it has done a “Lazurus”

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/world/15019020/nissan-wants-to-offer-datsun-at-3-000/

>>>TOKYO (AFP) – Nissan chief executive Carlos Ghosn wants to relaunch retro-brand Datsun with a price tag as low as $3,000 when it hits the road in 2014, a report said.

Bugger, can’t last that long myself.

I didn’t even know that Datsuns weren’t still being made.

Datsun 240Z, that was a nice looking car.

Bubble Car said:

I didn’t even know that Datsuns weren’t still being made.

I am talking the 180B, specifically the manual waggon and in white.

Bubble Car said:

Datsun 240Z, that was a nice looking car.

sure was, it was sort of the poor mans “E type”

it would never be like the original datsun.. I don’t think they even make cars out of that stuff anymore.

My first car was a datsun 120y coupe.. I had one of my friends weld the doors shut like the Dukes of hazard car…. jumping through the window on a wet rainy day… ah good times…

looked like this one… (but didn’t have the picture of whatever that is on the fuel tank cap..)

My dad had a 120Y when I was a kid. It was this awful baby poo colour…

lol yeah they made the baby shit brown, orange and a hideous yellow… someone took colour inspiration from a seventies wall paper..

The Nissan Cedrics were a bit of alright, nice legs.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Nissan Cedrics were a bit of alright, nice legs.

Got me stuffed why they called it “Cedric”, perhaps they were unaware of the Cyril / Cedric line of poof jokes.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Nissan Cedrics were a bit of alright, nice legs.

what colour were they?

According to philopedia “The Cedric name was inspired by the main character, Cedric, in Frances Hodgson Burnett’s novel Little Lord Fauntleroy by the Nissan CEO at the time Katsuji Kawamata.”

>>what colour were they?

They were both white girls, one looked like she had a bit of Italian in her though.

…one looked like she had a bit of Italian in her though.

what bit did she have in her?

Italian sausage.

sniggers

datsuns didn’t last long in britain. the salt on the roads made short work of them in a few years, i was surprised to even see one over here.

Sounds like a great idea to me. Sell cheap cars in developing countries with no safety or emissions standards, like we have painstakingly developed over the last 30 years in the first world.

… or not.

you’d probably have a fair amount of pollution , the exhaust wouldn’t have have catalytic converter

I read in a car mag that Nissan was doing a 240z rebirth program in Japan.

party_pants said:

Sounds like a great idea to me. Sell cheap cars in developing countries with no safety or emissions standards, like we have painstakingly developed over the last 30 years in the first world.

… or not.

My first thoughts as well. But if the govenment of that country is going to allow such cars on the roads, it is probably better that they are built by a company that has a wealth of knowledge in build cars to safety standards (and may include safety stuff by default) rather than a local company that has no experience at all in building safe cars.

At a guess not targeted at second world markets but first world collectors and with the usual car club provisions so that safety and pollution gear are not an issue.

Skunkworks said:

At a guess not targeted at second world markets but first world collectors and with the usual car club provisions so that safety and pollution gear are not an issue.

The news article in the OP said main target markets Russia, India and Indonesia.

party_pants said:

Skunkworks said:

At a guess not targeted at second world markets but first world collectors and with the usual car club provisions so that safety and pollution gear are not an issue.

The news article in the OP said main target markets Russia, India and Indonesia.

SW was refering to the “rebirthing 240z” the article was about new cheap datsuns.

Stealth said:

party_pants said:

Skunkworks said:

At a guess not targeted at second world markets but first world collectors and with the usual car club provisions so that safety and pollution gear are not an issue.

The news article in the OP said main target markets Russia, India and Indonesia.

SW was refering to the “rebirthing 240z” the article was about new cheap datsuns.

Ah ok.

Ignore what I said then..

party_pants said:

Skunkworks said:

At a guess not targeted at second world markets but first world collectors and with the usual car club provisions so that safety and pollution gear are not an issue.

The news article in the OP said main target markets Russia, India and Indonesia.

Fair enough, I was thinking about the reconditioned 240z and I thought, but probably misread Cedrics. That article is saying that Nissan is resurrecting a value brand as Datsun. I guess the target markets will decide what legislation the cars should comply with.

maybe you could stipulate that the passengers and driver wear helmets and it has a good seat belt system. the mini moke is still on the road over here.

maybe you could have an allround air bag system as well

the frame could be designed to be made from cheap metal but crumple right up and be a total write off but the occupants survive?

you don’t galvanise but use fish oil or something to stop the body rusting inside?

Looks like old news now.

In 1998 Nissan launched a program to bring back the Z car line. They began to purchase original 240Zs, restoring them to factory specifications and selling them to dealerships for $24,000. This was an effort to keep Z-car interest alive. Furthermore, in 1999 a concept car was shown to the public in a plan to return to the fundamentals that made the 240Z a market success.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/240Z

you could save money by just using people to build the car – not expensive robots

the car might use sections of sheet metal that is tacked together and then welded properly , the sheet metal could be laid onto a frame and then wleded together.

you’d need to use cheap labor – this would provide employment at least

maybe you’d need to design the engine so that it is a throwaway. it means that after so many kms it is simply swapped out – by doing this you don’t need to make as many access points for mechanics. the engine itself would be much cheaper as result, you don’t need to use expensive metals if the engine isn’t meant to last.

why not just make a revamped version of the VW beatle?

you could make a safari version where flat sheet metal was used instead

the flat sheet is stamped so that ridges in the panels give rigidity

something using flat sheet would be easier to make than curved surfaces, it might be aerodynamic but it would be easier to construct.

wookiemeister said:

why not just make a revamped version of the VW beatle?

you could make a safari version where flat sheet metal was used instead

the flat sheet is stamped so that ridges in the panels give rigidity

something using flat sheet would be easier to make than curved surfaces, it might be aerodynamic but it would be easier to construct.

They did, but it was twice the price of a cheap Korean car that would perform exactly the same.

why not just make a revamped version of the VW beatle?
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They have already done that, but it cost more and has more safety features than the original.

the person would just give the car a squirt with fish oil on a regular basis , you wouldn’t need to use paint at all – paint cost money and will chip. fish oil and the like forms a hard resilient surface. you might just hit the metal sheet with phosphoric acid to make the entire surface rust proof, the fish oil would just be sprayed on afterwards.

wookiemeister said:

the person would just give the car a squirt with fish oil on a regular basis , you wouldn’t need to use paint at all – paint cost money and will chip. fish oil and the like forms a hard resilient surface. you might just hit the metal sheet with phosphoric acid to make the entire surface rust proof, the fish oil would just be sprayed on afterwards.

Why am I thinking powerful as a gorilla yet soft and yielding like a nerf ball?

the germans made a military vw in ww2

it has a small drain hole in the floor to allow water out

it is made from flat sheet that has been stamped with ribs to give it extra rigidity

if you then don’t paint it but leave it to the owner to regularly spray it with fish oil and the like you’d save a fortune on paint

if the car was abandoned it would just rust like wild fire and return to the earth without leaving plastic that might last forever

you’d make the entire thing from metal where you could

a dedicated space for crumple zone could be made up front

wookiemeister said:

the germans made a military vw in ww2

it has a small drain hole in the floor to allow water out

it is made from flat sheet that has been stamped with ribs to give it extra rigidity

if you then don’t paint it but leave it to the owner to regularly spray it with fish oil and the like you’d save a fortune on paint

if the car was abandoned it would just rust like wild fire and return to the earth without leaving plastic that might last forever

you’d make the entire thing from metal where you could

a dedicated space for crumple zone could be made up front

the floor had a small section of wooden slats that kept your feet out of the water

it would be very easy to clean out – just hose it

the roof might just be a roll cage with canvas , the roof would be easy to repair

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

the germans made a military vw in ww2

it has a small drain hole in the floor to allow water out

it is made from flat sheet that has been stamped with ribs to give it extra rigidity

if you then don’t paint it but leave it to the owner to regularly spray it with fish oil and the like you’d save a fortune on paint

if the car was abandoned it would just rust like wild fire and return to the earth without leaving plastic that might last forever

you’d make the entire thing from metal where you could

a dedicated space for crumple zone could be made up front

the floor had a small section of wooden slats that kept your feet out of the water

it would be very easy to clean out – just hose it

the roof might just be a roll cage with canvas , the roof would be easy to repair

It is begining to sound like a mini-moke, which was a great car, especially for the beach.

Stealth said:

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

the germans made a military vw in ww2

it has a small drain hole in the floor to allow water out

it is made from flat sheet that has been stamped with ribs to give it extra rigidity

if you then don’t paint it but leave it to the owner to regularly spray it with fish oil and the like you’d save a fortune on paint

if the car was abandoned it would just rust like wild fire and return to the earth without leaving plastic that might last forever

you’d make the entire thing from metal where you could

a dedicated space for crumple zone could be made up front

the floor had a small section of wooden slats that kept your feet out of the water

it would be very easy to clean out – just hose it

the roof might just be a roll cage with canvas , the roof would be easy to repair

It is begining to sound like a mini-moke, which was a great car, especially for the beach.

the german car is uber cool and would take a crash – unlike a moke. the engine isn’t that great in a moke and is unreliable

ahh here it is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_K%C3%BCbelwagen

>>The Nissan Cedrics were a bit of alright, nice legs.<<

Oi, oi, oi! No bad comments about Nissan Cedrics will be tolerated. There were no people movers in the 1960s……we had a Cedric wagon with a third bench seat facing out the back. Great for us kids to wave to drivers behind. Darned scary with a father who got rid of tailgaiters by braking fast…….

:)

you’d model the car on this and add a roll cage

By the way, ours was a sort of dark red colour. It died when someone t-boned it at an intersection.

just seen this

seriously thinking about this

http://www.kooblekar.com/kooblekar

http://www.kooblekar.com/node/59
this one would meet my needs for suburban driving

In November 1943, the U.S. military conducted a series of tests as well on several Type 82s they had captured in North Africa; they concluded that the vehicle was simpler, easier to manufacture and maintain, faster, and more comfortable for four passengers than the U.S. Jeeps. This statement is at odds with U.S. War Department Technical Manual TM-E 30-451, Handbook on German Military Forces, dated 15 March 1945. In this manual (p. 416), it states “The Volkswagen, the German equivalent of the U.S. “Jeep”, is inferior in every way except in the comfort of its seating accommodations.”

wookiemeister said:

In November 1943, the U.S. military conducted a series of tests as well on several Type 82s they had captured in North Africa; they concluded that the vehicle was simpler, easier to manufacture and maintain, faster, and more comfortable for four passengers than the U.S. Jeeps. This statement is at odds with U.S. War Department Technical Manual TM-E 30-451, Handbook on German Military Forces, dated 15 March 1945. In this manual (p. 416), it states “The Volkswagen, the German equivalent of the U.S. “Jeep”, is inferior in every way except in the comfort of its seating accommodations.”

You are missing a reference for the first part of the statement where it was maintained the vehicle was simpler, easier to manufacture and maintain, faster, and more comfortable for four passengers than the U.S. Jeeps.

>>My first car was a datsun 120y coupe.<<

A friend of mine had an automatic one of those inflicted upon him by his parents.

We discovered that with 4 adults in it, when we were at the front at the traffic lights, and the lights went green… he floored it, and the lights changed back to yellow before we cleared the intersection.

>>My first car was a datsun 120y coupe.<<

The other thing that I remember about this car, was that one day I was working on my own car and the bloke next door called over the fence to ask me to borrow a spanner. He was removing the carby off his 120Y at the same time I was removing the carby off my car. I helped him take the carby off his car and discovered that I could block the hole under it in the intake manifold with my thumb. He then helped me take the carby off my car, and he discovered that he could not block the hole under it even using both fists.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

In November 1943, the U.S. military conducted a series of tests as well on several Type 82s they had captured in North Africa; they concluded that the vehicle was simpler, easier to manufacture and maintain, faster, and more comfortable for four passengers than the U.S. Jeeps. This statement is at odds with U.S. War Department Technical Manual TM-E 30-451, Handbook on German Military Forces, dated 15 March 1945. In this manual (p. 416), it states “The Volkswagen, the German equivalent of the U.S. “Jeep”, is inferior in every way except in the comfort of its seating accommodations.”

You are missing a reference for the first part of the statement where it was maintained the vehicle was simpler, easier to manufacture and maintain, faster, and more comfortable for four passengers than the U.S. Jeeps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_K%C3%BCbelwagen

I performed my first ever car respray as a ten year old on my fathers green 180B. It had a bit of rust below the fuel filler, about 5cm round, and I spent days rubbing it back and priming it and multicoating it. It turned out really, really well. About twelve months later the paint surface fell off that entire quater panel as a single shell and all the metal underneath was a nice rusty colour…

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

In November 1943, the U.S. military conducted a series of tests as well on several Type 82s they had captured in North Africa; they concluded that the vehicle was simpler, easier to manufacture and maintain, faster, and more comfortable for four passengers than the U.S. Jeeps. This statement is at odds with U.S. War Department Technical Manual TM-E 30-451, Handbook on German Military Forces, dated 15 March 1945. In this manual (p. 416), it states “The Volkswagen, the German equivalent of the U.S. “Jeep”, is inferior in every way except in the comfort of its seating accommodations.”

You are missing a reference for the first part of the statement where it was maintained the vehicle was simpler, easier to manufacture and maintain, faster, and more comfortable for four passengers than the U.S. Jeeps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_K%C3%BCbelwagen

No not that, the American document that contradicted the one referenced.

Stealth said:

I performed my first ever car respray as a ten year old on my fathers green 180B. It had a bit of rust below the fuel filler, about 5cm round, and I spent days rubbing it back and priming it and multicoating it. It turned out really, really well. About twelve months later the paint surface fell off that entire quater panel as a single shell and all the metal underneath was a nice rusty colour…

the principle component of the datsun is rust

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

You are missing a reference for the first part of the statement where it was maintained the vehicle was simpler, easier to manufacture and maintain, faster, and more comfortable for four passengers than the U.S. Jeeps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_K%C3%BCbelwagen

No not that, the American document that contradicted the one referenced.

no idea

i was scanning it and thought it poignant

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Skunkworks said:

You are missing a reference for the first part of the statement where it was maintained the vehicle was simpler, easier to manufacture and maintain, faster, and more comfortable for four passengers than the U.S. Jeeps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_K%C3%BCbelwagen

No not that, the American document that contradicted the one referenced.

no idea

i was scanning it and thought it poignant

wookiemeister said:

the principle component of the datsun is rust

That’s why the orange colour was so popular.

Alfas rusted because Russia supplied the socialist Italian with crappy (low, no carbon steel?) steel as part of intergovt payments and loans.

Skunkworks said:

Alfas rusted because Russia supplied the socialist Italian with crappy (low, no carbon steel?) steel as part of intergovt payments and loans.

Is that true? Did the Russians also supply the wiring for Italian bikes? Ducatis were renowned for terrible electrics.

pommiejohn said:

Skunkworks said:

Alfas rusted because Russia supplied the socialist Italian with crappy (low, no carbon steel?) steel as part of intergovt payments and loans.

Is that true? Did the Russians also supply the wiring for Italian bikes? Ducatis were renowned for terrible electrics.

Yes true, and the reason why Ducati invented demosdronic valve gear, they couldnt get steel good enough to reliably make spring valve gear. No clue about the electrics, maybe they purchased some Nortons to reverse engineer.

Skunkworks said:

pommiejohn said:

Skunkworks said:

Alfas rusted because Russia supplied the socialist Italian with crappy (low, no carbon steel?) steel as part of intergovt payments and loans.

Is that true? Did the Russians also supply the wiring for Italian bikes? Ducatis were renowned for terrible electrics.

Yes true, and the reason why Ducati invented demosdronic valve gear, they couldnt get steel good enough to reliably make spring valve gear. No clue about the electrics, maybe they purchased some Nortons to reverse engineer.

I’m reasonably sure Mercedes invented desmo valve gear. Ducati used it for reasons of power.

pommiejohn said:

I’m reasonably sure Mercedes invented desmo valve gear. Ducati used it for reasons of power.

Not going to argue about that, but I have read that they used the desmo gear due to the steel problems and breaking springs and valve float at high rpm.

Skunkworks said:

pommiejohn said:

I’m reasonably sure Mercedes invented desmo valve gear. Ducati used it for reasons of power.

Not going to argue about that, but I have read that they used the desmo gear due to the steel problems and breaking springs and valve float at high rpm.

I don’t know about steel quality but valve float ,, yes. That’s the purpose of desmo.

Night all

Skunkworks said:

pommiejohn said:

I’m reasonably sure Mercedes invented desmo valve gear. Ducati used it for reasons of power.

Not going to argue about that, but I have read that they used the desmo gear due to the steel problems and breaking springs and valve float at high rpm.

Getting tired, delete about, sounds combative, I meant with. Not going to argue with that, could very well be right.

Yeah, thanks.

bye