I have some tour guides of Madrid Region in .pdf format to read in Ebook reader, Smart Phones, Computers…..
If someone wants: walkinspain@gmail.com

1. Routes for Historic Fountains. 183 pages (Spanish-English).
2. Goya in Madrid. 80 pages. (Spanish-English).
3. Contemporary Arts Route. 155 pages (Spanish-English).
4. Routes of Barroque in Madrid Region. 126 pages. (Spanish-English).
5. Routes for Singular Churches I. 107 pages (Spanish-English).
6. Routes for town with Castles in Madrid Region. 108 pages (Spanish-English).
7. Routes for Restaurants an something else. 163 pages (Spanish-English).
8. Museums and Collections Guide. Madrid Region. 96 pages. (Spanish-English)
9. Historic Bridges in Madrid Region. 142 pages. (Spanish-English)
10. Historic Parks and Gardens in Madrid Region. 108 pages. (Spanish-English).
11. Routes through the Main Squares in Madrid Region. 195 pages. (Spanish-English).
12. Routes for Palaces and Monasteries in Madrid Region. 125 pages (Spanish-English).
13. Architectural Madrid. 36 pages (English).
14. Museums en Madrid Region. 21 Pages (Spanish-English).
15. Museums in the City of Madrid. 39 pages. (Spanish-English).
16. The Walk of the Arts. 12 pages (English).
17. Royal sites. 24 pages. (English)
18. Promenade of Arts. 8 pages. (Spanish-English).
19. Reales sitios. 24 páginas. (Español)
20. Madrid Monumental. 36 páginas. (Español)
21. Ruta de los Jardines Reales. 14 páginas. (Español)
22. Ruta de los Museos y Madrid Noroeste. 8 páginas. (Español)
23. Ruta de Palacio. 5 páginas. (Español)
24. Ruta del Noroeste. 14 páginas. (Español.)
25. 52 Escapadas de Turismo Cultural en la Comunidad de Madrid (Español). 189 páginas. Español.
26. Guía de alojamientos rurales de la Comunidad de Madrid. 221 páginas. (Español)

Hiking trails

27. Ruta por las Cañadas de las Merinas y Prádena del Rincón. 43 páginas. (Español).
28. Rutas en torno al parquet de la Polvoranca. 76 páginas. (Español)
29. Rutas entre el Guadarrama y el Perales.67 páginas. (Español)
30. Rutas por el Valle del Alberche. 44 páginas. (Español)
31. Rutas por le Valle Medio del Lozoya. 79 páginas. (Español)
32. Rutas por le Valle Medio del Tajuña. 83 páginas. (Español)
33. Rutas por la Campiña del Henares. 86 páginas. (Español)
34. Rutas por la Cañada Real Leonesa a Través de sus Dehesas. 90 páginas. (Español)
35. Rutas por la Cañada Real Soriana Oriental. 74 páginas. (Español)
36. Rutas por la Sierra del Guadarrama. 75 páginas. (Español)
37. Rutas por la Sierra Sudoccidental del Guadarrama. 73 páginas. (Español)
38. Rutas por las Dehesas de Colmenar Viejo. 87 páginas. (Español)
39. Las Rutas del Agua: Patones, Torrelaguna y Torremocha del Jarama. 98 páginas.
40. Corredor Soto de Viñuelas – Montejo de la Sierra. 82 páginas. (Español)
41. Descubre tus cañadas. Rutas por las Vegas de Tajo, Jarama y Tajuña. 111 páginas.
42. Descubre tus Cañadas. Rutas por los Robledales del Lozoya. 84 páginas. (Español).
43. 43. Guía de la Sierra Oeste. Entorno, Rutas y Municipios. 157 páginas.(Español).

Dear walkinspain – this forum is not about holidays. No one here goes on holidays. Except for Spider Lily and DO who are always going on holidays. Oh, and Morrie is on one. I think some other people might have been near a travel agency once or twice. The rest of us are in witness protection.

I go on holidays… no. jaunts.. or is it a vacation? maybe I take trips, or breaks or days in lieu… but I never, never go on holidays.

Arts said:

I go on holidays… no. jaunts.. or is it a vacation? maybe I take trips, or breaks or days in lieu… but I never, never go on holidays.

I have been known to go off at a tangent.

morrie said:

Arts said:

I go on holidays… no. jaunts.. or is it a vacation? maybe I take trips, or breaks or days in lieu… but I never, never go on holidays.

I have been known to go off at a tangent.

me more of an obtuse angle

morrie said:

Arts said:

I go on holidays… no. jaunts.. or is it a vacation? maybe I take trips, or breaks or days in lieu… but I never, never go on holidays.

I have been known to go off at a tangent.

how obtuse.

dammit roughy :P

Arts said:

dammit roughy :P

That’s a little acute.

poikilotherm said:

Arts said:

dammit roughy :P

That’s a little acute.

f(x)

The rest of us are in witness protection.

i read that as witless protection and thought OI!

Waves from Sydney Airport Virgin Lounge :)

Catching up with SM and Mr G tonight :D

Are they in Spain?

Spider Lily said:

Waves from Sydney Airport Virgin Lounge :)

Catching up with SM and Mr G tonight :D

Spiderlily, youstill got thesame mobile number as last time?

stumpy_seahorse said:

Spider Lily said:

Waves from Sydney Airport Virgin Lounge :)

Catching up with SM and Mr G tonight :D

Spiderlily, youstill got thesame mobile number as last time?

I do :)

Spider Lily said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Spider Lily said:

Waves from Sydney Airport Virgin Lounge :)

Catching up with SM and Mr G tonight :D

Spiderlily, youstill got thesame mobile number as last time?

I do :)

beauty.
i’ll send you a message, when you get to launnie next weekend, let me know where you’re at

Spider Lily said:

Waves from Sydney Airport Virgin Lounge :)

They wouldn’t let me into that lounge.

roughbarked said:

Spider Lily said:

Waves from Sydney Airport Virgin Lounge :)

They wouldn’t let me into that lounge.

You need to have CS with you :)

Spider Lily said:

roughbarked said:

Spider Lily said:

Waves from Sydney Airport Virgin Lounge :)

They wouldn’t let me into that lounge.

You need to have CS with you :)

wot, is he on a suicide mission? ;)

No Roughy, none of the serving staff are in white diaphanous robes. Although some of the blokes may very well be in their off-time.

:) all good then. Enjoy Tassie.

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I’m surprised Victoria Beckham is still newsworthy but I don’t keep up much these days.

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I think I know where they buried Rodney, but Campbell Town is a funny place. Look, just make sure you don’t linger there long enough to draw suspicions upon one’s self that you are searching for that shallow grave under the Elm Tree. Just a cursory stop should do it, but don’t rouse the Angry Mob © with talk of one Taswegian town looks like another. Don’t make eye contact and back away slowly. Watch out for Launcestron teenagers who steal hankies and have STIs and make sure you sit next to the driver on the bus for safety. You’ve seen The Cars That Ate Paris, well, there’s the Dutch Commuter Bikes which Ate Campbell Town and they will steal your trinkets and you’ll go the way of Rodney. I’ve said too much.

neomyrtus_ said:

I’ve said too much.

we know no live witnesses.

hey neo, are you a member of the orange sci forum?

neomyrtus_ said:

I think I know where they buried Rodney, but Campbell Town is a funny place. Look, just make sure you don’t linger there long enough to draw suspicions upon one’s self that you are searching for that shallow grave under the Elm Tree. Just a cursory stop should do it, but don’t rouse the Angry Mob © with talk of one Taswegian town looks like another. Don’t make eye contact and back away slowly. Watch out for Launcestron teenagers who steal hankies and have STIs and make sure you sit next to the driver on the bus for safety. You’ve seen The Cars That Ate Paris, well, there’s the Dutch Commuter Bikes which Ate Campbell Town and they will steal your trinkets and you’ll go the way of Rodney. I’ve said too much.

Mrs SS lived in Campbell Town for a while, but can’t provide any leads on the mysterious disappearance of Rodney…

stumpy_seahorse said:

neomyrtus_ said:

I think I know where they buried Rodney, but Campbell Town is a funny place. Look, just make sure you don’t linger there long enough to draw suspicions upon one’s self that you are searching for that shallow grave under the Elm Tree. Just a cursory stop should do it, but don’t rouse the Angry Mob © with talk of one Taswegian town looks like another. Don’t make eye contact and back away slowly. Watch out for Launcestron teenagers who steal hankies and have STIs and make sure you sit next to the driver on the bus for safety. You’ve seen The Cars That Ate Paris, well, there’s the Dutch Commuter Bikes which Ate Campbell Town and they will steal your trinkets and you’ll go the way of Rodney. I’ve said too much.

Mrs SS lived in Campbell Town for a while, but can’t provide any leads on the mysterious disappearance of Rodney…

I’ll ask my Tasmanian mens health expert if he’s seen or heard of Rodney.

If I were to go to the Spanish mountains for a holiday, should I take an umbrella?

no need cos…..you know the rest.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

You’re right, bear goes everywhere with SL

He might want the umbrella to beat away mountain goats.

Watch The Way with Martin Sheen.

I think SL and DO need to do this trek one day: The Camino de Santiago

Divine Angel said:

He might want the umbrella to beat away mountain goats.

♫Love Cuts The Strings | The Mountain Goats | Protein Source Of The Future…Now!♪♩

kii said:

Watch The Way with Martin Sheen.

I think SL and DO need to do this trek one day: The Camino de Santiago

A friend has decided she will do the Kokoda Track, and we are trying to talk ourselves out of accompanying her…

Carmen_Sandiego said:

A friend has decided she will do the Kokoda Track, and we are trying to talk ourselves out of accompanying her…

Moresby.

party_pants said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

A friend has decided she will do the Kokoda Track, and we are trying to talk ourselves out of accompanying her…

Moresby.

Thanks, that did the trick. :)

Carmen_Sandiego said:

kii said:

Watch The Way with Martin Sheen.

I think SL and DO need to do this trek one day: The Camino de Santiago

A friend has decided she will do the Kokoda Track, and we are trying to talk ourselves out of accompanying her…

Yes, but have you seen this movie and can you see yourself walking long distances and eating nommy foods along the way?

kii said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

A friend has decided she will do the Kokoda Track, and we are trying to talk ourselves out of accompanying her…

Yes, but have you seen this movie and can you see yourself walking long distances and eating nommy foods along the way?

Seen the movie, read the book, got the T-shirt.

Seen the movie, read the book, got the T-shirt.
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Walked the walk?

Carmen_Sandiego said:

kii said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

A friend has decided she will do the Kokoda Track, and we are trying to talk ourselves out of accompanying her…

Yes, but have you seen this movie and can you see yourself walking long distances and eating nommy foods along the way?

Seen the movie, read the book, got the T-shirt.

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kii said:

Dear walkinspain – this forum is not about holidays. No one here goes on holidays. Except for Spider Lily and DO who are always going on holidays. Oh, and Morrie is on one. I think some other people might have been near a travel agency once or twice. The rest of us are in witness protection.

no no please don’t turn this person away we need new people

i go off track.sometimes i get side tracked. sometimes i am off with the fairies.

sarahs mum said:

i go off track.sometimes i get side tracked. sometimes i am off with the fairies.

that’s why I’m off to the bottom of the garden.

sarahs mum said:

sometimes i am off with the fairies.

Been eating morrie’s mushrooms again…:)

poikilotherm said:

sarahs mum said:

sometimes i am off with the fairies.

Been eating morrie’s mushrooms again…:)

morrie said:

poikilotherm said:

sarahs mum said:

sometimes i am off with the fairies.

Been eating morrie’s mushrooms again…:)

very nice.

Does that one make you bigger like Super Mario?

Arts said:

morrie said:

poikilotherm said:

Been eating morrie’s mushrooms again…:)

very nice.

New camera is overexposing everything. That was taken in a very dark spot. I need to read up on the settings.

poikilotherm said:

Does that one make you bigger like Super Mario?

Effects are variable as is the chemistry. Definitely capable of being psychotropic.

morrie said:

Arts said:

morrie said:

very nice.

New camera is overexposing everything. That was taken in a very dark spot. I need to read up on the settings.

it’s blown in the background, but made the mushroom light up nicely ..

morrie said:

Arts said:

morrie said:

very nice.

New camera is overexposing everything. That was taken in a very dark spot. I need to read up on the settings.

over compensating is probably the correct wording. Amanita muscaria?

i will not eat the agaric.
i might paint it.

Yes, Amanita muscaria. Irresistable photographic subject when you are into mushrooms.

morrie said:

Yes, Amanita muscaria. Irresistable photographic subject when you are into mushrooms.

True..

morrie said:

Yes, Amanita muscaria. Irresistable photographic subject when you are into mushrooms.

Um, isn’t that one lethal? Or is it one of the other Amanita ones? IIRC they use an enzyme or something from it to completely block ribosomes from DNA transcription or similar.

poikilotherm said:

morrie said:

Yes, Amanita muscaria. Irresistable photographic subject when you are into mushrooms.

Um, isn’t that one lethal? Or is it one of the other Amanita ones? IIRC they use an enzyme or something from it to completely block ribosomes from DNA transcription or similar.

Yes, can be very lethal.. depends a bit upon other factors such as bite size.

morrie said:

Arts said:

morrie said:

very nice.

New camera is overexposing everything. That was taken in a very dark spot. I need to read up on the settings.

cameras expose to 18% grey. decent cameras also have different metering modes, that help it decide what is a properly exposed shot. Some modes take a small circle around the centre, some modes divide the whole image up into zones, some modes take the whole image…

changing the metering mode can often help tricky situations.

the dynamic range (the difference between the dark shadows and the light highlights) that a camera can capture is relatively low, so it’s sometimes inevitable that if the subject is correctly exposed, the background is going to be out.

>Amanita muscaria

You sometimes see gnomes sitting on them, fishing.

Dropbear said:

morrie said:

Arts said:

very nice.

New camera is overexposing everything. That was taken in a very dark spot. I need to read up on the settings.

cameras expose to 18% grey. decent cameras also have different metering modes, that help it decide what is a properly exposed shot. Some modes take a small circle around the centre, some modes divide the whole image up into zones, some modes take the whole image…

changing the metering mode can often help tricky situations.

the dynamic range (the difference between the dark shadows and the light highlights) that a camera can capture is relatively low, so it’s sometimes inevitable that if the subject is correctly exposed, the background is going to be out.

or vice-versa

Bubble Car said:

>Amanita muscaria

You sometimes see gnomes sitting on them, fishing.

You’ve gotta stop having the red mushroom sauce on your morning snags.

indeed

I’m currently learning new graphic software.. and am having some difficulties matching manual metering guesswork and post processing.

roughbarked said:

I’m currently learning new graphic software.. and am having some difficulties matching manual metering guesswork and post processing.

eg:

poikilotherm said:

morrie said:

Yes, Amanita muscaria. Irresistable photographic subject when you are into mushrooms.

Um, isn’t that one lethal? Or is it one of the other Amanita ones? IIRC they use an enzyme or something from it to completely block ribosomes from DNA transcription or similar.

No. A common misconception. Rarely, if ever, lethal. These are in fact eaten by some animals such as squirrels and deer.

morrie said:

poikilotherm said:

morrie said:

Yes, Amanita muscaria. Irresistable photographic subject when you are into mushrooms.

Um, isn’t that one lethal? Or is it one of the other Amanita ones? IIRC they use an enzyme or something from it to completely block ribosomes

Amatoxins occur in other species of Amanita such as the death cap, Amanita phalloides.

OK. I was under the assumption that if you ate a little it was just all states of altered.. but that if you ate a lot.. it could kill you.?

morrie said:

morrie said:

poikilotherm said:

morrie said:

Yes, Amanita muscaria. Irresistable photographic subject when you are into mushrooms.

Um, isn’t that one lethal? Or is it one of the other Amanita ones? IIRC they use an enzyme or something from it to completely block ribosomes

Amatoxins occur in other species of Amanita such as the death cap, Amanita phalloides.

Yes. This was the one they ate recently.. in Canberra was it?

morrie said:

poikilotherm said:

morrie said:

Yes, Amanita muscaria. Irresistable photographic subject when you are into mushrooms.

Um, isn’t that one lethal? Or is it one of the other Amanita ones? IIRC they use an enzyme or something from it to completely block ribosomes from DNA transcription or similar.

No. A common misconception. Rarely, if ever, lethal. These are in fact eaten by some animals such as squirrels and deer.

Ah, A. bisporigera is the lethal one.

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

morrie said:

Um, isn’t that one lethal? Or is it one of the other Amanita ones? IIRC they use an enzyme or something from it to completely block ribosomes

Amatoxins occur in other species of Amanita such as the death cap, Amanita phalloides.

Yes. This was the one they ate recently.. in Canberra was it?

Yes, it happens regularly. The small ones like rather similar to straw mushrooms, favoured in tropical Asia. This causes some mis-judgements.

Death.

poikilotherm said:

Death.

Nope. As mentioned, Amanita muscaria is not lethal.
The problem in Australia is A. phalloides, not A.bisporigera

morrie said:

poikilotherm said:

Death.

Nope. As mentioned, Amanita muscaria is not lethal.
The problem in Australia is A. phalloides, not A.bisporigera

Those were all from a scientific journal article report of poisonings, including pictures of the mushrooms involved. Not aus specific.

back to the topic of holidays in spain…

Yes I quite agree I mean what’s the point of being treated like sheep. What’s the point of going abroad if you’re just another tourist carted around in buses surrounded by sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Coventry in their cloth caps and their cardigans and their transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about the tea – “Oh they don’t make it properly here, do they, not like at home” – and stopping at Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney’s Red Barrel and calamares and two veg and sitting in their cotton frocks squirting Timothy White’s suncream all over their puffy raw swollen purulent flesh ‘cos they “overdid it on the first day.” And being herded into endless Hotel Miramars and Bellvueses and Continentales with their modern international luxury roomettes and draught Red Barrel and swimming pools full of fat German businessmen pretending they’re acrobats forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into queues and if you’re not at your table spot on seven you miss the bowl of Campbell’s Cream of Mushroom soup, the first item on the menu of International Cuisine, and every Thursday night the hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated dago with nine-inch hips and some bloated fat tart with her hair brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting Flamenco for Foreigners. And then some adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhoea trying to pick up hairy bandy-legged wop waiters called Manuel and once a week there’s an excursion to the local Roman Remains to buy cherryade and melted ice cream and bleeding Watney’s Red Barrel and one evening you visit the so called typical restaurant with local colour and atmosphere and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing “Torremolinos, torremolinos” and complaining about the food – “It’s so greasy isn’t it?” – and you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and Dr. Scholl sandals and last Tuesday’s Daily Express and he drones on and on about how Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch Pow ell can speak and then he throws up over the Cuba Libres. And sending tinted postcards of places they don’t realise they haven’t even visited to “All at number 22, weather wonderful, our room is marked with an ‘X’. Food very greasy but we’ve found a charming little local place hidden away in the back streets where they serve Watney’s Red Barrel and cheese and onion…….crisps and the accordionist plays ‘Maybe it’s because I’m a Londoner’.” And spending four days on the tarmac at Luton airport on a five-day package tour with nothing to eat but dried BEA-type sandwiches and you can’t even get a drink of Watney’s Red Barrel because you’re still in England and the bloody bar closes every time you’re thirsty and there’s nowhere to sleep and the kids are crying and vomiting and breaking the plastic ash-trays and they keep telling you it’ll only be another hour although your plane is still in Iceland and has to take some Swedes to Yugoslavia before it can load you up at 3 a.m. in the bloody morning and you sit on the tarmac till six because of “unforeseen difficulties”, i.e. the permanent strike of Air Traffic Control in Paris – and nobody can go to the lavatory until you take off at 8, and when you get to Malaga airport everybody’s swallowing “enterovioform” and queuing for the toilets and queuing for the armed customs officers, and queuing for the bloody bus that isn’t there to take you to the hotel that hasn’t yet been finished. And when you finally get to the half-built Algerian ruin called the Hotel del Sol by paying half your holiday money to a licensed bandit in a taxi you find there’s no water in the pool, there’s no water in the taps, there’s no water in the bog and there’s only a bleeding lizard in the bidet. And half the rooms are double booked and you can’t sleep anyway because of the permanent twenty-four-hour drilling of the foundations of the hotel next door – and you’re plagues by appalling apprentice chemists from Ealing pretending to be hippies, and middle-class stockbrokers’ wives busily buying identical holiday villas in suburban development plots just like Esher, in case the Labour government gets in again, and fat American matrons with sloppy-buttocks and Hawaiian-patterned ski pants looking for any mulatto male who can keep it up long enough when they finally let it all flop out. And the Spanish Tourist Board promises you that the raging cholera epidemic is merely a case of mild Spanish tummy, like the previous outbreak of Spanish tummy in 1660 which killed half London and decimated Europe – and meanwhile the bloody Guardia are busy arresting sixteen-year-olds for kissing in the streets and shooting anyone under nineteen who doesn’t like Franco. And then on the last day in the airport lounge everyone’s comparing sunburns, drinking Nasty Spumante, buying cartons of duty free “cigarillos” and using up their last pesetas on horrid dolls in Spanish National costume and awful straw donkeys and bullfight posters with your name on “Ordoney, El Cordobes and Brian Pules of Norwich” and 3-D pictures of the Pope and Kennedy and Franco, and everybody’s talking about coming again next year and you swear you never will although there you are tumbling bleary-eyed out of a tourist-tight antique Iberian airplane…

That’s interesting Morrie.

When I was in my third year at uni, I came across a complete “fairy circle” of Amanita muscaria on a geology field trip . I included a photo in my report, along with the then-available, properly referenced scientific information about poisoning. Basically, it said one would die within 5 days without medical intervention and with quick medical intervention, longevity could be improved by a further 3 to 5 days. It read as nasty stuff, basically shutting down the kidneys and causing irreversible, life-ending damage.

@Boris – what?

Michael V said:

That’s interesting Morrie.

When I was in my third year at uni, I came across a complete “fairy circle” of Amanita muscaria on a geology field trip . I included a photo in my report, along with the then-available, properly referenced scientific information about poisoning. Basically, it said one would die within 5 days without medical intervention and with quick medical intervention, longevity could be improved by a further 3 to 5 days. It read as nasty stuff, basically shutting down the kidneys and causing irreversible, life-ending damage.

It is inadvisable to eat large quantities of them but at the same time I’d wonder that some of the past data may have been propaganda.

poikilotherm said:

morrie said:

poikilotherm said:

Death.

Nope. As mentioned, Amanita muscaria is not lethal.
The problem in Australia is A. phalloides, not A.bisporigera

Those were all from a scientific journal article report of poisonings, including pictures of the mushrooms involved. Not aus specific.

Poisoning does not mean death. If you read more widely, you will see that Amanita muscaria is not generally lethal. Only if consumed in large amounts etc. etc. The big issue with Amanita as a genus, as well as several others like Galerina, is the presence of amatoxins in some species. Unfortunately, A. muscaria is often used to illustrate the genus because it is so distinctive. I have seen this done in news articles published by the ABC. This does not help the cause.

Amanita phalloides has a greenish cap.

monty python kii.

http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/package.htm

yea, on closer inspection, ‘shrooms numbered 4 & 5 are edible, the others aren’t

“There are ≈900–1,000 species of Amanita, but most do not produce amatoxins or phallotoxins, and some are edible”

poikilotherm said:

yea, on closer inspection, ‘shrooms numbered 4 & 5 are edible, the others aren’t

“There are ≈900–1,000 species of Amanita, but most do not produce amatoxins or phallotoxins, and some are edible”

Amanita muscaria toxicity

morrie said:

poikilotherm said:

yea, on closer inspection, ‘shrooms numbered 4 & 5 are edible, the others aren’t

“There are ≈900–1,000 species of Amanita, but most do not produce amatoxins or phallotoxins, and some are edible”

Amanita muscaria toxicity

lol, nice use of erowid morrie ;). Purely educational.

Anyway, if you are going to Madrid, watch what you eat. :-)

It is inadvisable to eat large quantities of them
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Seems reasonable.

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but at the same time I’d wonder that some of the past data may have been propaganda.
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By whom, and for what reason?

poikilotherm said:

morrie said:

poikilotherm said:

yea, on closer inspection, ‘shrooms numbered 4 & 5 are edible, the others aren’t

“There are ≈900–1,000 species of Amanita, but most do not produce amatoxins or phallotoxins, and some are edible”

Amanita muscaria toxicity

lol, nice use of erowid morrie ;). Purely educational.

I am away from my library. :-)

Michael V said:

It is inadvisable to eat large quantities of them
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Seems reasonable.

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but at the same time I’d wonder that some of the past data may have been propaganda.
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By whom, and for what reason?

To avoid excessive consumption?

I’m off to water my mushrooms

Michael V said:

It is inadvisable to eat large quantities of them
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Seems reasonable.

……………………………………………………………………….
but at the same time I’d wonder that some of the past data may have been propaganda.
……………………………………………………………………….
By whom, and for what reason?

I think that the erowid article explains some of the confusion.

I have eaten other mushrooms that are described as poisonous by some people who should know better. For example, Armillaria luteobubalina is described as poisonous in one of my books written by an eminent author. However, I have been eating it for over 20 years, as have lots of people who I know.

There is always a tendency to err on the side of caution. Which is fair enough, but sometimes this can lead to the propagation of myths.

Here are some red capped Amanitas for sale at a market in Ventimiglia, in Italy, a couple of weeks ago. Note the ticket that accompanies them. This one is known as Caesar’s Amanita.