Date: 22/10/2012 16:21:17
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 216879
Subject: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/10/22/3615647.htm

Faith in schools: The dismantling of Australia’s secular public education system

The Separation of Church and State Schools was the theme of a conference hosted in Brisbane by the Humanist Society of Queensland on the weekend of 13-14 October 2012.

With conference speakers including academics and representatives of teacher and parent groups, the conference focused on four key areas of concern:

Religious instruction classes conducted during school hours Chaplains in state schools State funding for religious schools The teaching of creationism and/or intelligent design as “science” in the science classroom

As Hugh Wilson from the Australian Secular Lobby noted, “Queensland’s 1875 Education Act brought us “free, compulsory and secular” public education, of which only the compulsory element survives.” The dismantling of Australia’s secular public education system is a nationwide phenomenon. Although, as Catherine Byrne from Macquarie University said:

“Queensland has ended up with the least secular system in the country. It discriminates against those who do not want state schools to be centres of protestant conversion. It is undemocratic in that it supports particular denominations and blocks others; it is unsound in that it instils in children the idea of religious autocracy; and it is unwise because the division that it once aimed to alleviate it is now ensuring.”

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Faith in schools: The dismantling of Australia’s secular public education system
Chrys Stevenson ABC Religion and Ethics 22 Oct 2012
The separation of church and state schools is an issue which transcends religious beliefs and political allegiances. It should concern Christians, members of minority faiths and those of no faith.

The separation of church and state schools is an issue which transcends religious beliefs and political allegiances. It should concern Christians, members of minority faiths and those of no faith.
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The Separation of Church and State Schools was the theme of a conference hosted in Brisbane by the Humanist Society of Queensland on the weekend of 13-14 October 2012.

With conference speakers including academics and representatives of teacher and parent groups, the conference focused on four key areas of concern:

Religious instruction classes conducted during school hours Chaplains in state schools State funding for religious schools The teaching of creationism and/or intelligent design as “science” in the science classroom

As Hugh Wilson from the Australian Secular Lobby noted, “Queensland’s 1875 Education Act brought us “free, compulsory and secular” public education, of which only the compulsory element survives.” The dismantling of Australia’s secular public education system is a nationwide phenomenon. Although, as Catherine Byrne from Macquarie University said:

“Queensland has ended up with the least secular system in the country. It discriminates against those who do not want state schools to be centres of protestant conversion. It is undemocratic in that it supports particular denominations and blocks others; it is unsound in that it instils in children the idea of religious autocracy; and it is unwise because the division that it once aimed to alleviate it is now ensuring.”

Religious instruction

Religious instruction (RI) was a particular concern for both conference speakers and attendees. An important distinction was made between children being educated about religion by trained professionals, and indoctrinated into religious beliefs by evangelical volunteers.

Many parents feel pressured to give permission for their children to attend RI. Schools complain they have insufficient staff to provide adequate supervision and, despite Education Department policies, children who opt-out often find themselves in the “naughty seat” outside the principal’s office, put out into hallways or onto verandas, or else included in the RI class against their parents’ wishes.

“My daughter was made to sit out on the steps, in the sun,” said one indignant member of the Queensland Humanists. Adding insult to injury, the child was warned to stay away from other kids’ bags because, “things have been stolen lately” – the implication, drawn by the child, was that those who did not attend religious classes were particularly suspect.

“The schools will tell you RI is ‘opt in’,” said one parent, “but it’s a lie.” During a break he explained that his child was put into an RI class without his permission. In response to his frequent complaints, she was variously sat at the back of the class, then just outside the door, in the library and then ended up back in the class again. “And it’s not just us,” he said. “I’ve been told similar stories by parents from half a dozen schools!”

These parents’ concerns were all too familiar for Peter Harrison, a speaker representing the New Zealand Association of Rationalists and Humanists (NZARH). NZARH launched a Keep Religion Out Of School campaign after receiving several letters from angry and frustrated parents who felt their concerns were not being heard.

“Many of the stories,” said Harrison, “involved confused young children upset about why they were being excluded, bullied, given rubbish duty by teachers, or at best left alone in libraries. Many parents reported not being told about religious instruction, only to have children coming home asking questions about God and saying dinosaurs didn’t really exist.”

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Date: 22/10/2012 16:28:13
From: Bubble Car
ID: 216894
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

I’ll leave this one for Skeppo to sort out.

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Date: 22/10/2012 17:20:55
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 216951
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

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Date: 22/10/2012 17:27:27
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 216952
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Date: 22/10/2012 19:09:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 217003
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

That ABC site would seem to be named wrongly, a quick glance at the tenor of the topics there it seems religion, Christianity in particular, is the whipping boy.

I’d suggest the ABC rename it Atheism and Ethics to avoid confusion.

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Date: 22/10/2012 20:11:46
From: Aquila
ID: 217039
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

Two possibilities come to mind.

1) Someone in the gubbermint has hit on this idea to draw more students back to public schools
(for whatever reason – maybe to keep their jobs & funding) because the anecdotal evidence suggests more and more parents are choosing to send their kids to religious based schools, due to the perceived or apparent ‘superior academic’ education.
Just about all the parents I’ve spoken to, want to send their kids to religious schools when they have no interest in being active in the associated church groups and who are in fact, are non-religious but believe their children will receive a better academic education in a ‘safer’ environment.
Not only that, the parents seem prepared to pay a whole lot more for it.
Some parents even perceive that sending their kids to these schools elevates their own social status.
I have no idea what the actual statistics are for percentage of enrolments between state & private schools but I imagine the vast majority or kids in state schools come from poor family backgrounds or very low income families…probably?

2) Australia’s gubbermint is becoming more ‘Americanised’

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Date: 23/10/2012 17:31:58
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 217372
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

Peak Warming Man said:


That ABC site would seem to be named wrongly, a quick glance at the tenor of the topics there it seems religion, Christianity in particular, is the whipping boy.

I’d suggest the ABC rename it Atheism and Ethics to avoid confusion.

Maybe you need to have more than a quick glance because you couldn’t be further from the truth.

The religion and ethics site is heavily biased towards a theological view of life and almost all the articles are written by “theologians” or Rabbis or the Archbish of Canterbury or the editor of the site, Scott Stephens.

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Date: 23/10/2012 17:33:24
From: Bubble Car
ID: 217376
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

Skeptic Pete said:


Peak Warming Man said:

That ABC site would seem to be named wrongly, a quick glance at the tenor of the topics there it seems religion, Christianity in particular, is the whipping boy.

I’d suggest the ABC rename it Atheism and Ethics to avoid confusion.

Maybe you need to have more than a quick glance because you couldn’t be further from the truth.

The religion and ethics site is heavily biased towards a theological view of life and almost all the articles are written by “theologians” or Rabbis or the Archbish of Canterbury or the editor of the site, Scott Stephens.

I gave up looking at ABC religion long ago because of its very obvious and insulting pro-religion bias.

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:09:50
From: wookiemeister
ID: 217538
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

people turn to religion in crisis

their children become brainwashed

as long as volatility is about there will be queues of people waiting to be brainwashed into something, religion or otherwise

lets put it this way. i knew a fellah who used to eat in the hari krishnas in newtown. he had to spend all his money to live somewhere and eat at the hari krishnas and steal from the supermarket – he would have a system where he could secret food about his person to then walk out the shop. he was all for social justice at the time.

after a year or so i rang him up out of the blue to see what he was up to and was surprised to hear he was studying economics – now he didn’t give a fig about social justice. in a situation of crisis his brain had finally been turned (though he was somewhat eccentric to begin with) and now with the right instruction he had become the exact opposite of what he had been before.

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:15:13
From: Skunkworks
ID: 217540
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

wookiemeister said:

- he would have a system where he could secret food about his person to then walk out the shop. he was all for social justice at the time.

and theft.

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:18:02
From: 19 shillings
ID: 217543
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

wookiemeister said:


people turn to religion in crisis

their children become brainwashed

as long as volatility is about there will be queues of people waiting to be brainwashed into something, religion or otherwise

lets put it this way. i knew a fellah who used to eat in the hari krishnas in newtown. he had to spend all his money to live somewhere and eat at the hari krishnas and steal from the supermarket – he would have a system where he could secret food about his person to then walk out the shop. he was all for social justice at the time.

after a year or so i rang him up out of the blue to see what he was up to and was surprised to hear he was studying economics – now he didn’t give a fig about social justice. in a situation of crisis his brain had finally been turned (though he was somewhat eccentric to begin with) and now with the right instruction he had become the exact opposite of what he had been before.

——

Wel he is still religious, it is just about whether he has more faith in Friedman than Keynes.;)

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:19:04
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 217545
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

woot – he’s here.

Wookster Report.

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:20:12
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 217547
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

wookiemeister said:


he would have a system where he could secret food about his person to then walk out the shop.

did animals follow him home and try to eat his trousers?

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:20:56
From: wookiemeister
ID: 217549
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

Skunkworks said:


wookiemeister said:
- he would have a system where he could secret food about his person to then walk out the shop. he was all for social justice at the time.

and theft.


thankfully i never went down that path as a student

as a student its probably better off being a female – you can always get a job

i used to share a house with all female students most of them were chain smokers and had bad personal habits. when they were down to their last buck at least three of them started working in a massage parlour working their way up the chain from one type of service to another, mainly it was standing naked and massaging old fellahs/ sports personalities.

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:23:10
From: wookiemeister
ID: 217552
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

my significant other has just seen my doppelganger walking along in tel aviv

that was the scary thing when i was there, i could pass for any of them

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:24:39
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 217553
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

wookiemeister said:

as a student its probably better off being a female – you can always get a job

i used to share a house with all female students most of them were chain smokers and had bad personal habits. when they were down to their last buck at least three of them started working in a massage parlour working their way up the chain from one type of service to another, mainly it was standing naked and massaging old fellahs/ sports personalities.

An Incredible Voyage Into Wookie Consciousness and Reasoning..

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:33:56
From: wookiemeister
ID: 217560
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

neomyrtus_ said:


wookiemeister said:

as a student its probably better off being a female – you can always get a job

i used to share a house with all female students most of them were chain smokers and had bad personal habits. when they were down to their last buck at least three of them started working in a massage parlour working their way up the chain from one type of service to another, mainly it was standing naked and massaging old fellahs/ sports personalities.

An Incredible Voyage Into Wookie Consciousness and Reasoning..


as a female you get privilidged treatment

if you are amale you are fit for the garbage tip unless you’ve got parent s with money

i don’t take it personally i just understand that as a male i have the fewest rights than anyone

i’m more likely to be killed in an attack on my person

i’m more likely to be involved in a car crash

i’m less likely to not to have a tertiary qualification

i’m more likely not to get benefits and if anything happen to me less likely to get any help of any kind

i’m more likely to get taxed than anyone else

when you are down on your luck being a female is good because you’ll find that you have a whole host of options open to you.

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:41:59
From: 19 shillings
ID: 217565
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

You forgot that it is not who earns the money in a partnership, that has the power,
but the person that decides how it is spent.

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:42:35
From: wookiemeister
ID: 217567
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

19 shillings said:

You forgot that it is not who earns the money in a partnership, that has the power,
but the person that decides how it is spent.


i’m aware

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:43:10
From: wookiemeister
ID: 217568
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

there has been some resistance to me getting a stormtrooper costume

sure i can get it but it could cause problems

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Date: 23/10/2012 21:50:58
From: wookiemeister
ID: 217572
Subject: re: Kweensland leads in forced school relious instruction

http://www.buystarwarscostumes.com/authentic-stormtrooper-costume.html

this is the cheaper place to buy one

thinkgeek is over priced – they thow another 300- 400 on the price

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