Date: 9/11/2012 12:49:02
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 226204
Subject: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/08/29/th-insinuation-of-naturopathic-quackery-into-law/

The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

If there’s one thing that practitioners of pseudoscientific medicine crave more than anything else, it’s respectability. Believing that science-based medicine is corrupt and that their woo is as good or better, they delude themselves into thinking that they can function as well or better than primary care doctors practice and therefore should be given the same privileges that physicians are granted. To them, it makes sense. On any objective basis, however, it does not. The reason is simple. The two most common “disciplines” that seek the same scope of practice as primary care doctors are chiropractors and naturopaths. By any objective or reasonable criteria, it’s utterly ridiculous to imagine that chiropractors, whose specialty is realigning nonexistent subluxations, would have the slightest clue how to take comprehensive care of patients—or even how to do anything other than infuse their variety of physical therapy with delusions of grandeur in which they imagine themselves capable of treating asthma, heart disease, and other serious conditions. Naturopaths, on the other hand, although just as quacky as chiropractors (perhaps even more so) tend to be able to make a case that sounds more convincing, not because their case actually is more convincing but rather because they can sound more convincing. After all, they have a wider cornucopia of quackery that, when combined with the mundane modalities of diet and exercise magically rebranded as being somehow unique to naturopathy and “alternative,” makes them seem like more comprehensive practitioners compared to the popular picture of chiropractors in the public mind of back crackers.

Unfortunately, naturopaths have been making inroads as well. They’ve actually been persuading some state legislatures that they know enough to prescribe medications and/or that their services are sufficiently valuable that it should be mandated by law that health insurance companies pay for them. Frequently, the argument is that they are cheaper than conventional medicine. Of this, there is little doubt. However, cheaper is not necessarily better. If the goal is to reduce costs by having more people die because they don’t receive appropriate science-based care, I suppose that empowering naturopaths to be roughly on par with primary care doctors makes a sort of perverse sense. That is not the sort of sense we should be invoking, though.

A recent development that’s been resonating through the naturopath community is New Hampshire House Bill 351. This is a bill that was recently passed that requires all private health insurance companies to reimburse naturopaths for their services.

Unfortunately, contrary to what Conte claims, naturopathy is nothing more than a hodge-podge of mostly unscientific treatment modalities based on vitalism and other prescientific notions of disease. It’s a hodge-podge, a grab bag of all sorts of unscientific and pseudoscientific medical treatments, most of which fall squarely into the “alternative” camp in every definition, particularly the part of the definition of “alternative” about either not working or not having been demonstrated to work. Naturopathy includes modalities that range from the relatively mundane appropriated from science-based medicine and magically rebranded as “alternative,” such as diet and exercise, to pure quackery, such as homeopathy, to downright dangerous pseudoscience, such as germ theory denialism and antivaccinationism.

As a result, typical naturopaths are more than happy in essence to “pick one from column A and one from column B” when it comes to quackery, mixing and matching treatments including traditional Chinese medicine, homeopathy, herbalism, Ayurvedic medicine, applied kinesiology, anthroposophical medicine, reflexology, craniosacral therapy, Bowen Technique, and pretty much any other form of unscientific or prescientific medicine that you can imagine. Despite their affinity for non-science-based medical systems, naturopaths crave the imprimatur of science. As a result, they desperately try to represent what they do as being science-based, and they’ve even set up research institutes, much like the departments, divisions, and institutes devoted to “complementary and alternative medicine” (CAM) that have cropped up on the campuses of legitimate medical schools and academic medical centers like so many weeds poking through the cracks in the edifice of science-based medicine.

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Date: 9/11/2012 13:16:19
From: poikilotherm
ID: 226222
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

Some of them have changed names, it’s now ‘Integrative Medicine’ instead of CAM etc.

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Date: 9/11/2012 13:52:16
From: Bubble Car
ID: 226239
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

Time to put the proverbial foot down, methinks. But it may be that rational-thinking people just don’t have sufficient numbers in the corridors of power.

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Date: 9/11/2012 14:11:53
From: Bubble Car
ID: 226244
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

Hmm, Google Advanced Image Search has had a makeover that basically fucks it up. You can’t search by image size any more (size has been stupidly replaced by “aspect ratio”), and all controls have now disappeared from the results page :/

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Date: 9/11/2012 14:12:09
From: Bubble Car
ID: 226245
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

…and that was for Chat

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Date: 9/11/2012 18:16:53
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 226349
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

http://safe-medicine.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/ash-tree-die-back-can-homeopathy-help.html

botanical homeopathy – a modest proposal

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Date: 9/11/2012 18:18:05
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 226350
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

General
……. A large proportion of the Earth’s crust is composed of Silica…… Silica is taken up by plants and is deposited on the interior of the stems as well as forming the sheath or bark that holds the plant upright …….Silicic acid is a constituent of the cells of the connective tissue. The epidermis forms the protective sheath around the cambium where silica gives strength to the long molecules of the bibre. Silica will cripple bark in health trees causing death (remember, Homeopathy = ‘Curing Like with Like’)……….. Its indication in dieback has been confirmed in practice with remarkable results. A sapling with dieback, which had only one quarter of the bark left, which was loose asnd drying out, was given one dose of Silica 6x and ther next day the bark was reattached to the cambium, and after one week, the top branches were growing new shoots and leaves.

I have absolutely no experience of using Silicea for Ash Die-Back but it seems, from what Kav, is saying here, is something the Government, the Forestry Commission, and the various Environmental Charities who manage woodland, and tree nurseries, should be examining seriously. It is certainly a much less destructive treatment. And if we can prove its value, perhaps initially in small pockets, it is something well worth considering.

I have asked Kav for guidance in this matter, especially as it relates to the 70 plus acres of Ancient Woodland close to where I live. He has recommended that Silicea, in aqueous form, is applied to the ground around each tree – about 1 litre of liquid for each tree. I am currently in the process of seeing whether we can get together sufficient people together to treat the Ash trees in this wood.

But more focused, and comprehensive trials need to be undertaken as a matter of urgency to see if Chalara Die Back can be successfully treated with Homeopathy, and I would certainly urge the Government, DEFRA, the Forestry Commission, and other Environmental Agencies to get involved in this process.

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Date: 9/11/2012 18:21:40
From: Bubble Car
ID: 226352
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

Sorry Steve, I don’t think trees do the placebo effect.

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Date: 9/11/2012 18:23:22
From: Michael V
ID: 226355
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

On that basis, we could use naturopathic healing for rehabilitation of coal mines. Water and a little carbon dioxide and it’s all done. Win-win.

Oh – silly me – it rains.

That’s water with a little carbon dioxide dissolved. Perfect!

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Date: 9/11/2012 18:54:51
From: Angus Prune
ID: 226382
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

neomyrtus_ said:


Unfortunately, naturopaths have been making inroads as well. They’ve actually been persuading some state legislatures that they know enough to prescribe medications

Ummm…I thought the point of naturopathy was that they didn’t use prescription meds.

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Date: 10/11/2012 08:03:07
From: morrie
ID: 226635
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

>>I have asked Kav for guidance in this matter, especially as it relates to the 70 plus acres of Ancient Woodland close to where I live. He has recommended that Silicea, in aqueous form, is applied to the ground around each tree – about 1 litre of liquid for each tree. I am currently in the process of seeing whether we can get together sufficient people together to treat the Ash trees in this wood.

This is a great idea. I think we should be applying it to dieback in WA too.

I happen to have a stock of 6 x Siliceous water here that would be ideal for the purpose. I would be prepared to foot half the cost and provide it for 50 cents/ litre. Do you think we could gather enough people together to help save our precious jarrah forests?

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Date: 10/11/2012 08:31:21
From: poikilotherm
ID: 226638
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

http://www.seek.com.au/Job/pharmacist-naturopath/in/melbourne-melbourne/23448702

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Date: 10/11/2012 08:40:02
From: morrie
ID: 226639
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

poikilotherm said:


http://www.seek.com.au/Job/pharmacist-naturopath/in/melbourne-melbourne/23448702

Sounds perfect for you. Do you think that you could liaise the stakeholders?

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Date: 10/11/2012 08:48:08
From: poikilotherm
ID: 226641
Subject: re: The insinuation of naturopathic quackery into law

morrie said:


poikilotherm said:

http://www.seek.com.au/Job/pharmacist-naturopath/in/melbourne-melbourne/23448702

Sounds perfect for you. Do you think that you could liaise the stakeholders?

They usually want you to touch their base then move forward…

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