Date: 24/12/2012 14:27:25
From: monkey skipper
ID: 244106
Subject: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Often we discuss health , behavior , mannerisms , diseases or even mental health being affected by nature and nurture. we even study twins to understand these things better.

How affected are people who are raised by atheist parents?

It seems likely that children of religious parents may well adopt or reject religion at some point in their life.

But what is statistically going to occur if children are parented by atheist or agnostic parents?

Is the obvious answer the children are in the majority going to be like minded as their parents?

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Date: 24/12/2012 14:32:13
From: wookiemeister
ID: 244110
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

monkey skipper said:

Often we discuss health , behavior , mannerisms , diseases or even mental health being affected by nature and nurture. we even study twins to understand these things better.

How affected are people who are raised by atheist parents?

It seems likely that children of religious parents may well adopt or reject religion at some point in their life.

But what is statistically going to occur if children are parented by atheist or agnostic parents?

Is the obvious answer the children are in the majority going to be like minded as their parents?


religious families have many children if they lose some to commonsense it doesn’t matter

young children believe in santa – when it turns out there’s no proof santa exists they are encouraged to believe in god a little more

commonsense tells you that the god we have created doesn’t exist, an all powerful god that is all knowing wouldn’t be getting humans to do his dirty work of killing humans he doesn’t like.

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Date: 24/12/2012 15:03:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 244124
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

monkey skipper said:

Often we discuss health , behavior , mannerisms , diseases or even mental health being affected by nature and nurture. we even study twins to understand these things better.

How affected are people who are raised by atheist parents?

It seems likely that children of religious parents may well adopt or reject religion at some point in their life.

But what is statistically going to occur if children are parented by atheist or agnostic parents?

Is the obvious answer the children are in the majority going to be like minded as their parents?

in my case or ours, as I should say.. is 100%

We gave them every opportunity to discuss and study all religions and offered them the choice choose or not They chose to keep the matter open, which basically means they cannot be denied from entering a mosque or a church, if that is what they wish.
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Date: 24/12/2012 15:11:21
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 244130
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

>>But what is statistically going to occur if children are parented by atheist or agnostic parents?

They’ll grow up with no moral compass, hopefully they will have friends or workmates that can teach them right from wrong.
Their best chance at leading a happy, fullfilling and God fearing life is to leave home early and get away from their batshit crazy parents.
That’s all I know.

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Date: 24/12/2012 15:17:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 244133
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Peak Warming Man said:


>>But what is statistically going to occur if children are parented by atheist or agnostic parents?

They’ll grow up with no moral compass, hopefully they will have friends or workmates that can teach them right from wrong.
Their best chance at leading a happy, fullfilling and God fearing life is to leave home early and get away from their batshit crazy parents.
That’s all I know.

speaking for yourself is fine.

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Date: 24/12/2012 15:19:40
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 244137
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Have you sent an electrician around to Lemon Tree Passage, PWM? They’ll be charging 2.5 plus holiday loading if they have to go tomorrow.

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Date: 24/12/2012 15:20:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 244140
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

neomyrtus_ said:


Have you sent an electrician around to Lemon Tree Passage, PWM? They’ll be charging 2.5 plus holiday loading if they have to go tomorrow.

fucking atheist profiteering.

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Date: 24/12/2012 15:56:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 244171
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

>>Have you sent an electrician around to Lemon Tree Passage, PWM?

You know I think the time is not far away when Skeptic Pete will be visited by the Holy Ghost and have an epiphany, give away his worldly goods to his friends, become a fisher of men and a letter writer for Jesus and spend the rest of his years in supplication as a Trappist monk.

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Date: 24/12/2012 16:02:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 244172
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Peak Warming Man said:


>>Have you sent an electrician around to Lemon Tree Passage, PWM?

You know I think the time is not far away when Skeptic Pete will be visited by the Holy Ghost and have an epiphany, give away his worldly goods to his friends, become a fisher of men and a letter writer for Jesus and spend the rest of his years in supplication as a Trappist monk.

I clearly recall a Shell Chemicals board director stating that enough is enough.. all above my comfort level goes back to those who made the money work.

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Date: 24/12/2012 16:42:50
From: Bubblecar
ID: 244184
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

>But what is statistically going to occur if children are parented by atheist or agnostic parents?

9 out of 10 will go on to become perfectly nice people.

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Date: 24/12/2012 17:09:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 244199
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Bubblecar said:


>But what is statistically going to occur if children are parented by atheist or agnostic parents?

9 out of 10 will go on to become perfectly nice people.

no doubt.

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Date: 24/12/2012 19:40:31
From: Jing Joh
ID: 244246
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

>>> an all powerful god that is all knowing wouldn’t be getting humans to do his dirty work of killing humans he doesn’t like.

Why not? It’s as good a way as any.

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Date: 24/12/2012 19:54:21
From: wookiemeister
ID: 244249
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Jing Joh said:


>>> an all powerful god that is all knowing wouldn’t be getting humans to do his dirty work of killing humans he doesn’t like.

Why not? It’s as good a way as any.


god used to do his own dirty work when religion wasn;t around, he had a go at killing all humans via the flood. whhy suddenly the change of heart and change to asking people to kill for him?

middle eastern religions are practically built on killing, sacrifice, revenge, god’s will, the infidel

middle eastern religions are essentially no more than a cancer of the mind

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Date: 24/12/2012 20:00:51
From: wookiemeister
ID: 244250
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

judaism, christianity and islam encourage killing in the name of their god in all practical terms

judaism in the old testament basically calls for humanity to be wiped out if it won’t yield to jehovah – if you are gay then that my friend is the death sentence – you don’t like that idea? prepare to be stoned and slewn. oh yes land rights are given to all adherents of judaism, abraham and moses were never from palestine yet claim sovereignty over it – amazing!!

islam is built on a a war to control the arabian peninsula. if you don’t like islam then prepare to die.

christianity is about peace yet tags on the insanity of the old testament – its not long before its adherents are murdering as many people as possible – killing and despoilment are the bedrock of christianity, its not surprising that priests are messing around with young boys.

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Date: 25/12/2012 00:24:16
From: Jing Joh
ID: 244294
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

wookiemeister said:

god used to do his own dirty work when religion wasn;t around, he had a go at killing all humans via the flood.

Well no, he specifically didn’t if you believe that story.

wookiemeister said:

whhy suddenly the change of heart and change to asking people to kill for him?

Why? because it’s a test of faith as you would realise if you’d done your research. You really need to have better arguments if you want to be able to maintain your position.

wookiemeister said:

middle eastern religions are practically built on killing, sacrifice, revenge, god’s will, the infidel

middle eastern religions are essentially no more than a cancer of the mind

This is exactly what they think of your culture and also why there can be no reconciliation in the near future. Think yourself lucky to be living in a country allied to the current world super power but don’t expect your descendants to be so fortunate.

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Date: 25/12/2012 00:40:31
From: wookiemeister
ID: 244295
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Jing Joh said:


wookiemeister said:
god used to do his own dirty work when religion wasn;t around, he had a go at killing all humans via the flood.

Well no, he specifically didn’t if you believe that story.

wookiemeister said:

whhy suddenly the change of heart and change to asking people to kill for him?

Why? because it’s a test of faith as you would realise if you’d done your research. You really need to have better arguments if you want to be able to maintain your position.

wookiemeister said:

middle eastern religions are practically built on killing, sacrifice, revenge, god’s will, the infidel

middle eastern religions are essentially no more than a cancer of the mind

This is exactly what they think of your culture and also why there can be no reconciliation in the near future. Think yourself lucky to be living in a country allied to the current world super power but don’t expect your descendants to be so fortunate.


its xmas

better to just keep people happy, theres no point talking religion here tonight

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Date: 25/12/2012 00:42:26
From: Boris
ID: 244296
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

the person assigned to keep me happy today didn’t turn up.

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Date: 25/12/2012 00:44:07
From: party_pants
ID: 244297
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Boris said:


the person assigned to keep me happy today didn’t turn up.

… and?

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Date: 25/12/2012 00:46:08
From: Boris
ID: 244298
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

i amused myself by reading from a joke book. i keep my thumb over the punchline.

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Date: 25/12/2012 00:47:44
From: party_pants
ID: 244299
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Boris said:


i amused myself by reading from a joke book. i keep my thumb over the punchline.


You’ve just given me an idea for a smartphone app.

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Date: 25/12/2012 00:52:28
From: Boris
ID: 244300
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

maaaaaaaate!

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Date: 25/12/2012 11:03:34
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 244382
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Peak Warming Man said:


>>Have you sent an electrician around to Lemon Tree Passage, PWM?

You know I think the time is not far away when Skeptic Pete will be visited by the Holy Ghost and have an epiphany, give away his worldly goods to his friends, become a fisher of men and a letter writer for Jesus and spend the rest of his years in supplication as a Trappist monk.

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!!

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Date: 25/12/2012 11:07:44
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 244389
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

monkey skipper said:

How affected are people who are raised by atheist parents?

I am currently reading a book by Phil Zuckerman called “Society without God”.

He spent a few years in Scandinavian countries interviewing people about their beliefs.

If that’s what society is like without a God belief then I may well emigrate.

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Date: 25/12/2012 11:09:10
From: sibeen
ID: 244390
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

>and spend the rest of his years in supplication as a Trappist monk.

Oooo, may be a person to get to know well.

They make the grousest beer.

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Date: 25/12/2012 11:10:08
From: monkey skipper
ID: 244391
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Skeptic Pete said:


monkey skipper said:

How affected are people who are raised by atheist parents?

I am currently reading a book by Phil Zuckerman called “Society without God”.

He spent a few years in Scandinavian countries interviewing people about their beliefs.

If that’s what society is like without a God belief then I may well emigrate.

My grandparents on that side had their own pagan religion for approximately the longest time in Northern Europe. The crusades and their conversion effort was late.

Under communism for example in certain parts of those parts, celebrating Christmas was illegal but then so was speaking your indigenous language during those times.

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Date: 25/12/2012 11:11:45
From: monkey skipper
ID: 244393
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

monkey skipper said:


Skeptic Pete said:

monkey skipper said:

How affected are people who are raised by atheist parents?

I am currently reading a book by Phil Zuckerman called “Society without God”.

He spent a few years in Scandinavian countries interviewing people about their beliefs.

If that’s what society is like without a God belief then I may well emigrate.

My grandparents on that side had their own pagan religion for approximately the longest time in Northern Europe. The crusades and their conversion effort was late.

Under communism for example in certain parts of those parts, celebrating Christmas was illegal but then so was speaking your indigenous language during those times.

I should revise that statement to my grandparents’ ancestors were late in being converted by the crusades or monks that followed along after those events.

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Date: 30/12/2012 21:08:38
From: purple
ID: 246635
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

All 5 of mine are atheist.
they all, at some stage attended scripture in primary school.
they all have religious friends, Christian, Muslim. no Jewish though. we don’t have Jewish folk around here.
when ever they’ve asked a question about god or religion I’ve tried my best to answer, usually starting “some people believe….”

I have an acquaintance who is staunch C of E. Her husband never attended church so I don’t know what he believes.
her 2 daughters are christian and her son converted to Islam.

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Date: 30/12/2012 21:13:22
From: purple
ID: 246640
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

ummm. we’re not batshit crazy and we do have a moral compass.

my belief is (I think) found in every religion.
do as you would be done by.
or an’ it harm none, do what ye will
etc

none of my kids has turned into a screaming serial killer.
I have one who has drug problems, and funnily enough, he’s the only one of them to attempt a go at god to help him through. that didn’t last long.

who is peak warming man and why is he being so rude about my choice to have no god?

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Date: 30/12/2012 21:15:50
From: morrie
ID: 246643
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

purple said:


ummm. we’re not batshit crazy and we do have a moral compass.

my belief is (I think) found in every religion.
do as you would be done by.
or an’ it harm none, do what ye will
etc

none of my kids has turned into a screaming serial killer.
I have one who has drug problems, and funnily enough, he’s the only one of them to attempt a go at god to help him through. that didn’t last long.

who is peak warming man and why is he being so rude about my choice to have no god?


peak warming man speaks with tongue in cheek, mostly.

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Date: 30/12/2012 21:16:22
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 246644
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

purple said:


who is peak warming man and why is he being so rude about my choice to have no god?

PWM used to be known as PeterT1 until the Lab got to him one day.

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Date: 30/12/2012 21:16:34
From: sibeen
ID: 246645
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

Purps, PWM is PeterT1.

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Date: 30/12/2012 21:19:22
From: purple
ID: 246646
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

ah jolly good. I fort it was fair dinkum

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Date: 30/12/2012 22:27:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 246668
Subject: re: Nature , nurture and religion or non-religion

purple said:


ah jolly good. I fort it was fair dinkum

we of faith read between the lines

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