Date: 27/12/2012 14:12:52
From: Dropbear
ID: 245153
Subject: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/dec/26/peter-higgs-richard-dawkins-fundamentalism

As public disagreements go, few can have boasted such heavy-hitting antagonists.

On one side is Richard Dawkins, the celebrated biologist who has made a second career demonstrating his epic disdain for religion. On the other is the theoretical physicist Peter Higgs, who this year became a shoo-in for a future Nobel prize after scientists at Cern in Geneva showed that his theory about how fundamental particles get their mass was correct.

Their argument is over nothing less than the coexistence of religion and science.

Higgs has chosen to cap his remarkable 2012 with another bang by criticising the “fundamentalist” approach taken by Dawkins in dealing with religious believers.

“What Dawkins does too often is to concentrate his attack on fundamentalists. But there are many believers who are just not fundamentalists,” Higgs said in an interview with the Spanish newspaper El Mundo. “Fundamentalism is another problem. I mean, Dawkins in a way is almost a fundamentalist himself, of another kind.”

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Date: 27/12/2012 14:14:56
From: Stealth
ID: 245155
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

Anyway, it is boarding time. See ya from the antipodean side of the world.

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Date: 27/12/2012 14:20:10
From: Bubblecar
ID: 245159
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

>But there are many believers who are just not fundamentalists

Yes, and they’re usually more intellectually lazy than the fundamentalists, but often just as dangerous.

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Date: 27/12/2012 14:25:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 245164
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

Bear in mind that the Guardian (likie the UK Telegraph) is a pro-religion publication these days. They’ve long been noticeably anti-Dawkins.

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Date: 27/12/2012 15:35:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 245191
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

>>They’ve long been noticeably anti-Dawkins.

And anti-Bubblecar I believe, they’ll have no truck with him.

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:05:34
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 245298
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

Smarmy Git

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:07:49
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 245299
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

Dropbear said:

But there are many believers who are just not fundamentalists

So they don’t believe in virgin births and resurrections?

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:16:01
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 245303
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

Skeptic Pete said:


Dropbear said:

But there are many believers who are just not fundamentalists

So they don’t believe in virgin births and resurrections?

Does believing in anything supernatural make one a fundamentalist?

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:20:18
From: Boris
ID: 245304
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

Does believing in anything supernatural make one a fundamentalist?

weeeeellllll…..

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:25:39
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 245307
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

Witty Rejoinder said:

Does believing in anything supernatural make one a fundamentalist?

Well I would have thought that those two particular beliefs were fundamental to being a Christian.

You know the Nicene Creed and all that

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:27:56
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 245310
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

Skeptic Pete said:

Well I would have thought that those two particular beliefs were fundamental to being a Christian.

You know the Nicene Creed and all that

I think we are using different definitions of fundamentalist.

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:28:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 245311
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

If you’re a modern, liberal, moderate Christian, you have no clear idea of what you believe.

It’s just the, you know, vibe.

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:31:35
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 245313
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

Witty Rejoinder said:

I think we are using different definitions of fundamentalist.

You think?

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:32:04
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 245314
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

Bubblecar said:


If you’re a modern, liberal, moderate Christian, you have no clear idea of what you believe.

It’s just the, you know, vibe.

Absolutely.

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:38:07
From: sibeen
ID: 245317
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

bump

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:38:14
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 245318
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

There is no grey area.
Jesus is the light the truth and the way, there is no way to heaven except through Him.
Ther are a lot of false prophets like Jimmy Swagart, Mohammad, Creflo A Dollar, Confucius and that fat prick who sat under the banyan tree.
Have no truck with them for verily they will lead you down the path of eternal hell fire.

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:40:25
From: sibeen
ID: 245319
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

>and that fat prick who sat under the banyan tree

Look, I’ve attempted to lose weight, and fully intend to do so after the festive season is over. I’ll be listening and dancing to Nirvana to help me along.

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:41:21
From: Dropbear
ID: 245320
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

sibeen said:


bump

Chuckle

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Date: 27/12/2012 20:41:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 245321
Subject: re: Higgs v Dawkins Death Match

>Jesus is the light the truth and the way, there is no way to heaven except through Him.

OTOH, heaven is full of sad superstitious sillybillies, so is probably best avoided.

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