Date: 9/01/2013 16:49:49
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 250170
Subject: Aircraft fuel dumping

Just saw a doco about a Boeing aircraft 737? a 2 engined job, and the sound track stated that this A/C couldn’t dump fuel inflight, I would have thought that all A/C would have to be able to dump fuel inflight, does Bill still visit here?

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Date: 9/01/2013 17:18:58
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 250181
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

737s are not equipped with fuel dump systems. The original aircraft were too small to require them, and adding a fuel dump system to the later, larger variants would have incurred a large weight penalty. Boeing instead demonstrated an “equivalent level of safety”. Depending upon the nature of the emergency, 737s either circle to burn off fuel or land overweight. If the latter is the case, the aircraft is inspected by maintenance personnel for damage and then returned to service if none is found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737

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Date: 9/01/2013 17:25:25
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 250182
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

Ta Skeptic Pete, most if not all light A/C don’t have fuel dump, would this be correct too?

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Date: 9/01/2013 17:27:18
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 250183
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

bob(from black rock) said:


Ta Skeptic Pete, most if not all light A/C don’t have fuel dump, would this be correct too?

Yes that’s right.

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Date: 9/01/2013 17:27:39
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 250184
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

bob(from black rock) said:


Ta Skeptic Pete, most if not all light A/C don’t have fuel dump, would this be correct too?

And gliders? they don’t have fuel dump do they? (giggles to self)

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Date: 9/01/2013 17:28:55
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 250185
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

:-)

Hey did you see this quadrotor copter thing I posted last night Bob?

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Date: 9/01/2013 17:31:10
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 250186
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

Skeptic Pete said:

:-)

Hey did you see this quadrotor copter thing I posted last night Bob?

No, was it a small flying model? or a 1:1?

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Date: 9/01/2013 17:33:44
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 250187
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

Just a model….

http://ardrone2.parrot.com/

controlled from an iphone or ipad.

What amazed me was the automatic stability control.

It hovers on the spot, at a fixed altitude, regardless of whether you bump it or push it or even put a fan next to it.

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Date: 9/01/2013 17:40:23
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 250189
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

Skeptic Pete said:


Just a model….

http://ardrone2.parrot.com/

controlled from an iphone or ipad.

What amazed me was the automatic stability control.

It hovers on the spot, at a fixed altitude, regardless of whether you bump it or push it or even put a fan next to it.

Good Jigger, ta.

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Date: 9/01/2013 17:42:43
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 250190
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

Check this out Bob

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W18Z3UnnS_0

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Date: 9/01/2013 17:47:45
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 250191
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

Skeptic Pete said:


Check this out Bob

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W18Z3UnnS_0

Farq! and back in the 50s when I was a kid, I thought a Meccano set was “the bees knees”

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Date: 10/01/2013 09:49:53
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 250278
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

Pedro beat me to it.
The smaller airliners usually can’t dump fuel.

I’ve done it once in the 747, we dumped 80 tonnes over the ocean off Los Angeles. Had a hydraulic problem that required us to return to LA to get it fixed.

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Date: 10/01/2013 10:20:24
From: pommiejohn
ID: 250281
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

Spiny Norman said:


Pedro beat me to it.
The smaller airliners usually can’t dump fuel.

I’ve done it once in the 747, we dumped 80 tonnes over the ocean off Los Angeles. Had a hydraulic problem that required us to return to LA to get it fixed.

How volatile is aircraft fuel? Does it evaporate or leave an oil slick on the ocean?

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Date: 10/01/2013 15:48:53
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 250351
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

pommiejohn said:


Spiny Norman said:

Pedro beat me to it.
The smaller airliners usually can’t dump fuel.

I’ve done it once in the 747, we dumped 80 tonnes over the ocean off Los Angeles. Had a hydraulic problem that required us to return to LA to get it fixed.

How volatile is aircraft fuel? Does it evaporate or leave an oil slick on the ocean?

If you dump above about 1,000’ agl, there’s no detectable smell or anything else from the dumped fuel.
The minimum allowed level, however, is 6,000’ agl so plenty safe.

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Date: 10/01/2013 15:52:46
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 250353
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

Spiny Norman said:


pommiejohn said:

Spiny Norman said:

Pedro beat me to it.
The smaller airliners usually can’t dump fuel.

I’ve done it once in the 747, we dumped 80 tonnes over the ocean off Los Angeles. Had a hydraulic problem that required us to return to LA to get it fixed.

How volatile is aircraft fuel? Does it evaporate or leave an oil slick on the ocean?

If you dump above about 1,000’ agl, there’s no detectable smell or anything else from the dumped fuel.
The minimum allowed level, however, is 6,000’ agl so plenty safe.

Hi Spiny Norman, haven’t seen you around much lately, not that I have been here much myself, how the f#ck are you?

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Date: 10/01/2013 20:28:49
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 250543
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

bob(from black rock) said:

Hi Spiny Norman, haven’t seen you around much lately, not that I have been here much myself, how the f#ck are you?

As always, I be awesomesauce. :D

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Date: 11/01/2013 10:04:32
From: AussieDJ
ID: 250702
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

Skeptic Pete said:


bob(from black rock) said:

Ta Skeptic Pete, most if not all light A/C don’t have fuel dump, would this be correct too?

Yes that’s right.


There was a story earlier this week about a student pilot who had to circle for about five hours to burn off fuel before he could land after his aircraft lost a wheel on take-off.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-07/student-pilot-lands-safely-after-losing-wheel/4455076?section=vic

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Date: 11/01/2013 10:06:03
From: AussieDJ
ID: 250703
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

bob(from black rock) said:


bob(from black rock) said:

Ta Skeptic Pete, most if not all light A/C don’t have fuel dump, would this be correct too?

And gliders? they don’t have fuel dump do they? (giggles to self)


I think some of them carry water as ballast – they can dump that if need be.

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Date: 11/01/2013 15:08:18
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 250731
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

AussieDJ said:


bob(from black rock) said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Ta Skeptic Pete, most if not all light A/C don’t have fuel dump, would this be correct too?

And gliders? they don’t have fuel dump do they? (giggles to self)


I think some of them carry water as ballast – they can dump that if need be.

Water ballast is usually used for raceing to give higher airspeed at a slight trade off to lift drag ratio, the water ballast is usually dumped prior to landing, and frequently over any spectators at the finish line.

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Date: 29/11/2023 17:02:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2098507
Subject: re: Aircraft fuel dumping

Speaking of An insanely big bob and pulling things out in parliament here’s a separate matter.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-29/high-fat-flight-is-first-jetliner-to-make-fossil-fuel-free-trip/103166958

Sustainable Aviation Fuel made up largely of tallow and other waste fats. SAF accounts for less than 0.1 per cent of total global jet fuel in use today and costs three to five times as much as regular jet fuel. SAF reduces greenhouse gas emissions by about 70 per cent and is the best near-term way for the international aviation industry to achieve its net zero target by 2050, the US Energy Department said, though it called the goal aspirational. There is a goal of producing 1 billion gallons (approximately 3 billion litres) a year set in 2018 by the Federal Aviation Administration. The White House, meanwhile, set a goal two years ago to produce 3 billion gallons (approximately 6 billion litres) of sustainable aviation fuel per year by 2030. The UK has set a goal that 10 per cent of jet fuel will come from sustainable sources by 2030.

Oh all right not parliament but we dare the Qantas CEO to do it next time they’re in.

⚠ we specifically do not intend to imply that hydrocarbon chain fuels make An insanely big bob and assert this was plain free association

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