Case 1, humans never evolved, would there be another top predator? or a series of predators?
Case 2 humans wiped out by a virulent disease or several diseases?

bob(from black rock) said:

Case 1, humans never evolved, would there be another top predator? or a series of predators?
Case 2 humans wiped out by a virulent disease or several diseases?

case 1: There was a very long period of time with no humans, so just look at what was happening then. Each little local environment would have its own top predator, or a couple of equal-top predators in competition. Probably more large animals (megafauna).

case 2: everything man made slowly gets overgrown, wildlife moves in. Example, the wildlife park that’s sprung up around Chernobyl.

Angus Prune said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Case 1, humans never evolved, would there be another top predator? or a series of predators?
Case 2 humans wiped out by a virulent disease or several diseases?

case 1: There was a very long period of time with no humans, so just look at what was happening then. Each little local environment would have its own top predator, or a couple of equal-top predators in competition. Probably more large animals (megafauna).

case 2: everything man made slowly gets overgrown, wildlife moves in. Example, the wildlife park that’s sprung up around Chernobyl.

I wonder which items constructed by humans will cause the most problems when they fail through lack of maintenance?

Nothing that a kangaroo does is un-natural, nothing.
Nothing that a newt does is un-natural, nothing.
Nothing that man does is un-natural, nothing.
Nothing that a blue fin tuna does is un-natural, nothing.
Nothing that a white bellied sea eagle does is un-natural, nothing.

When any species of animal becomes extinct there is a period where nature adjusts but in the billion year scheme of things it’s no big deal.

If man turns the Amazon into a desert wasteland by spraying chemicals it’s just nature at work the same was as if elephants denuded a forest by knocking over all the trees and eating them.

Of course what I’ve just said does not apply if we believe in the Bible where man was made special, given a conscious and made a caretaker of the earth with dominion over the other animals and their habitat.

Peak Warming Man said:

Of course what I’ve just said does not apply if we believe in the Bible where man was made special, given a conscious and made a caretaker of the earth with dominion over the other animals and their habitat.

What sort of moran would believe that?

In the big scheme of things earth is not going to be here much longer anyway so there’s no point in getting all sentimental about it, a bit like feeding, grooming and looking after a pet mosquito.

Peak Warming Man said:

If man turns the Amazon into a desert wasteland by spraying chemicals it’s just nature at work the same was as if elephants denuded a forest by knocking over all the trees and eating them.

You’re off your rocker, old man

These two scenarios are not the same thing.
You are being disingenuous.

Aquila said:

You are being disingenuous.

Ah, I thought he was just being Peak Warming Man