Under the Carbon Pricing scheme ‘we’ are currently paying $23 per tonne of carbon. This price increases to $25.40 in a few years time, and then after that it is set by the market and will be linked with the EU ETS from 2015.

The Kiwis have a similar scheme, and started out at NZ$20 (about 15 cents Australian) and then went the open market route. The current rate, on the open market, is about NZ$2.5.

The EU started out with a price of about 30 Euro per tonne and now, on the open market, is sitting at out 3.50 Euro (A$4.60).

I’m just wondering, is there any way I can possibly short the market?

How much carbon do you have to sell?

Well, I’d want to sell an absolute shedload at today’s current rate, and I will promise to deliver in 2016.

Personally, I think we should be taxing methane. The more you fart, the more you owe.

sibeen said:

Well, I’d want to sell an absolute shedload at today’s current rate, and I will promise to deliver in 2016.

No. I had a read up on it a while back (before the European link was announced so it might have changed since), but carbon permits were specifically not transferable from one year to the next.

Windies in a spot of bother.

jjjust moi said:

Windies in a spot of bother.

They will be when I start taxing methane!

Divine Angel said:

Personally, I think we should be taxing methane. The more you fart, the more you owe.

So how much do you pay if you light your farts?

Divine Angel said:

jjjust moi said:

Windies in a spot of bother.

They will be when I start taxing methane!

Someone better warn Buffy.

jjjust moi said:

Windies in a spot of bother.

I blame it on the carbon tax.

bob(from black rock) said:

Divine Angel said:

Personally, I think we should be taxing methane. The more you fart, the more you owe.

So how much do you pay if you light your farts?

Post the video on YouTube and it’s free.

I just took a load of storm debris to the dump and it’s free.
However when I got home I read a Council letter saying to just put it on the footpath and they’ll collect it next week.

I suppose I’ll have to go back and get it.

And what if someone trips over it in the meantime? Huh? Huh? Whose fault is it then??

Divine Angel said:

And what if someone trips over it in the meantime? Huh? Huh? Whose fault is it then??

Tony Abbott’s.

Divine Angel said:

And what if someone trips over it in the meantime? Huh? Huh? Whose fault is it then??

Well definitely not the Council! I mean you put it there!

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

And what if someone trips over it in the meantime? Huh? Huh? Whose fault is it then??

Tony Abbott’s.

Everything is Mr Rabbit’s fault. That’s because he is an utter bastard.

Don’t make me start an election thread 8 months out!

kii said:

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

And what if someone trips over it in the meantime? Huh? Huh? Whose fault is it then??

Tony Abbott’s.

Everything is Mr Rabbit’s fault. That’s because he is an utter bastard.

He aint that good, he is a farquit!

if you could remove carbon from the atmosphere, would they pay you for it?

eg X dollars per tonne

wookiemeister said:

if you could remove carbon from the atmosphere, would they pay you for it?

eg X dollars per tonne

It depends on the form of it. As pure graphite, it would be worth a lot more than the low end price which would probably be around the coal price.

morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

if you could remove carbon from the atmosphere, would they pay you for it?

eg X dollars per tonne

It depends on the form of it. As pure graphite, it would be worth a lot more than the low end price which would probably be around the coal price.

it comes from earlier ideas i might have mentioned here to remove carbon from the atmosphere.

eg

carbon dioxide in air

carbonic acid in water

calcium carbonate precipitated out

to calcium oxide and CO2 (now only CO2 remains)

heat the carbon dioxide and cool it in a chimney to make soot

soot is then sold?

morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

if you could remove carbon from the atmosphere, would they pay you for it?

eg X dollars per tonne

It depends on the form of it. As pure graphite, it would be worth a lot more than the low end price which would probably be around the coal price.

I’d prefer my tonnage in diamond

wookiemeister said:

if you could remove carbon from the atmosphere, would they pay you for it?

eg X dollars per tonne

Yes.

wookiemeister said:

morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

if you could remove carbon from the atmosphere, would they pay you for it?

eg X dollars per tonne

It depends on the form of it. As pure graphite, it would be worth a lot more than the low end price which would probably be around the coal price.

it comes from earlier ideas i might have mentioned here to remove carbon from the atmosphere.

eg

carbon dioxide in air

carbonic acid in water

calcium carbonate precipitated out

to calcium oxide and CO2 (now only CO2 remains)

heat the carbon dioxide and cool it in a chimney to make soot

soot is then sold?

Very inefficient process.
However, such soot is manufactured from acetylene and sold for specialised purposes. Carbon black. Used in tyre manufacture for one thing. IIRC.

morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

morrie said:

It depends on the form of it. As pure graphite, it would be worth a lot more than the low end price which would probably be around the coal price.

it comes from earlier ideas i might have mentioned here to remove carbon from the atmosphere.

eg

carbon dioxide in air

carbonic acid in water

calcium carbonate precipitated out

to calcium oxide and CO2 (now only CO2 remains)

heat the carbon dioxide and cool it in a chimney to make soot

soot is then sold?

Very inefficient process.
However, such soot is manufactured from acetylene and sold for specialised purposes. Carbon black. Used in tyre manufacture for one thing. IIRC.

Can make heaps of it every time I light the oxy-acetylene torch

morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

morrie said:

It depends on the form of it. As pure graphite, it would be worth a lot more than the low end price which would probably be around the coal price.

it comes from earlier ideas i might have mentioned here to remove carbon from the atmosphere.

eg

carbon dioxide in air

carbonic acid in water

calcium carbonate precipitated out

to calcium oxide and CO2 (now only CO2 remains)

heat the carbon dioxide and cool it in a chimney to make soot

soot is then sold?

Very inefficient process.
However, such soot is manufactured from acetylene and sold for specialised purposes. Carbon black. Used in tyre manufacture for one thing. IIRC.

i’m just use the sun to dry the process

thats free energy

do you remember that reversible reaction where carbon dioxide forms soot in chimneys that we discussed a while ago?

Carbon black. Used in tyre manufacture for one thing. IIRC.

and 23:59 black ink.

wookiemeister said:

morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

it comes from earlier ideas i might have mentioned here to remove carbon from the atmosphere.

eg

carbon dioxide in air

carbonic acid in water

calcium carbonate precipitated out

to calcium oxide and CO2 (now only CO2 remains)

heat the carbon dioxide and cool it in a chimney to make soot

soot is then sold?

Very inefficient process.
However, such soot is manufactured from acetylene and sold for specialised purposes. Carbon black. Used in tyre manufacture for one thing. IIRC.

i’m just use the sun to dry the process

thats free energy

do you remember that reversible reaction where carbon dioxide forms soot in chimneys that we discussed a while ago?

edit

to drive the process

wookiemeister said:

morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

it comes from earlier ideas i might have mentioned here to remove carbon from the atmosphere.

eg

carbon dioxide in air

carbonic acid in water

calcium carbonate precipitated out

to calcium oxide and CO2 (now only CO2 remains)

heat the carbon dioxide and cool it in a chimney to make soot

soot is then sold?

Very inefficient process.
However, such soot is manufactured from acetylene and sold for specialised purposes. Carbon black. Used in tyre manufacture for one thing. IIRC.

i’m just use the sun to dry the process

thats free energy

do you remember that reversible reaction where carbon dioxide forms soot in chimneys that we discussed a while ago?

Yes, but your carbon dioxide concentration process sucks.

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morrie said:

wookiemeister said:

morrie said:

Very inefficient process.
However, such soot is manufactured from acetylene and sold for specialised purposes. Carbon black. Used in tyre manufacture for one thing. IIRC.

i’m just use the sun to dry the process

thats free energy

do you remember that reversible reaction where carbon dioxide forms soot in chimneys that we discussed a while ago?

Yes, but your carbon dioxide concentration process sucks.

KISS

Here’s my proposal…

Instead of “taxing” carbon emmissions
IE: Increasing the cost of everything (forced inflation)

Why not provide a tax incentive, a tax cut to lower your emmissions, reduce overall costs?

Fark me, if that’s a bit wacky…..‘eh….un heard of….cost have to go up…..governments have to suck more out of the private system…that’s how it works.

My idea just won’t gain any ground….no-one will like it, everyone will think it’s stupid…hair brained and rediculous!
Lowering costs…taxes…we just can’t have it….crazy dumb idea….what was I thinking!

Why not provide a tax incentive, a tax cut to lower your emmissions, reduce overall costs?

that’s what the carbon tax does.

Aquila said:

Here’s my proposal…

Instead of “taxing” carbon emmissions
IE: Increasing the cost of everything (forced inflation)

Why not provide a tax incentive, a tax cut to lower your emmissions, reduce overall costs?

Fark me, if that’s a bit wacky…..‘eh….un heard of….cost have to go up…..governments have to suck more out of the private system…that’s how it works.

My idea just won’t gain any ground….no-one will like it, everyone will think it’s stupid…hair brained and rediculous!
Lowering costs…taxes…we just can’t have it….crazy dumb idea….what was I thinking!

taxing are about raising money to spend on stupid things

Boris said:

Why not provide a tax incentive, a tax cut to lower your emmissions, reduce overall costs?

that’s what the carbon tax does.

bullshit

Aquila said:

Here’s my proposal…

Instead of “taxing” carbon emmissions
IE: Increasing the cost of everything (forced inflation)

Why not provide a tax incentive, a tax cut to lower your emmissions, reduce overall costs?

Fark me, if that’s a bit wacky…..‘eh….un heard of….cost have to go up…..governments have to suck more out of the private system…that’s how it works.

My idea just won’t gain any ground….no-one will like it, everyone will think it’s stupid…hair brained and rediculous!
Lowering costs…taxes…we just can’t have it….crazy dumb idea….what was I thinking!

Must be the heat.

wookiemeister said:

Boris said:

Why not provide a tax incentive, a tax cut to lower your emmissions, reduce overall costs?

that’s what the carbon tax does.

bullshit

I stand with my pyramidal mate in this matter.

Boris said:

Why not provide a tax incentive, a tax cut to lower your emmissions, reduce overall costs?

Yes. It is a tax incentive. You cut your emissions and you don’t pay the tax. What more of an incentive do you want? Do something and you don’t pay tax.

Boris said:

Why not provide a tax incentive, a tax cut to lower your emmissions, reduce overall costs?

that’s what the carbon tax does.

Putting a price on carbon, increases costs, ….adds cost to doing business.
It’s forcing reduction by attrition.

Like belting your kid into submission to do the right thing, instead of talking to the kid and looking at a different process to address a situation for a better outcome.
Through reducing stress, not adding stress.

Aquila said:

Boris said:

Why not provide a tax incentive, a tax cut to lower your emmissions, reduce overall costs?

that’s what the carbon tax does.

Putting a price on carbon, increases costs, ….adds cost to doing business.
It’s forcing reduction by attrition.

Like belting your kid into submission to do the right thing, instead of talking to the kid and looking at a different process to address a situation for a better outcome.
Through reducing stress, not adding stress.

(edit)
…because, the change or reduction won’t happen instantly it will happen over years…therefore the tax is collected in the meantime…..increasing costs and causing inflation….
This is the norm….I’m suggesting a new approach…no EXTRA stress up front…
It’s difficult to grasp, because we aren’t used to thinking this way….

*shrug

with any luck julia and the gang will be out on their ear this year and we can all go back to normal

They just need to stop gold plating everything in the power distribution industry. I mean, this power pole replacement program in WA is totally unnecessary and a clear case of gold plating. Bushfire risk indeed! Pfft.

morrie said:

They just need to stop gold plating everything in the power distribution industry. I mean, this power pole replacement program in WA is totally unnecessary and a clear case of gold plating. Bushfire risk indeed! Pfft.

It’s not a lot of gold required, very thin sheets of foil will do. It’s only for visual effect.

therefore the tax is collected in the meantime…..increasing costs and causing inflation….

will it? i guess you must have done some costing….

and seeing as every country is doing it this way they must be wrong too. anyway as sibeen says reduce your emissions and don’t pay the tax.

morrie said:

They just need to stop gold plating everything in the power distribution industry. I mean, this power pole replacement program in WA is totally unnecessary and a clear case of gold plating. Bushfire risk indeed! Pfft.

all power should be run underground

all this poles bullshit is just making things difficult to maintain

you need dedicated crews that are trained for elevated workplaces

just bury the cables and if you do it right they won’t blow

its easy to know where the break is anyway

> I mean, this power pole replacement program in WA is totally unnecessary and a clear case of gold plating. Bushfire risk indeed! Pfft.

Err, perhaps that it being forced upon them by insurance companies. Morrie.

There is still shedloads of crap to be sorted out after the Black Saturday bushfires in Victoria. Some of the power providers may be up for quite a shedload of money.

you use a heater to warm the mirrors or lenses. but not too much otherwise you’ll get a heat haze effect.

Boris said:

therefore the tax is collected in the meantime…..increasing costs and causing inflation….

will it? i guess you must have done some costing….

and seeing as every country is doing it this way they must be wrong too. anyway as sibeen says reduce your emissions and don’t pay the tax.

if they were so keen to stop global warming why not stop coal leaving the country?

sibeen said:

> I mean, this power pole replacement program in WA is totally unnecessary and a clear case of gold plating. Bushfire risk indeed! Pfft.

Err, perhaps that it being forced upon them by insurance companies. Morrie.

There is still shedloads of crap to be sorted out after the Black Saturday bushfires in Victoria. Some of the power providers may be up for quite a shedload of money.

I shoulda put in the /tic.

Boris said:

you use a heater to warm the mirrors or lenses. but not too much otherwise you’ll get a heat haze effect.

i’m lazy

they lent me a scope but i never got around to using it

its just easier to let someone else get a good scope and let them set it up

most of the coal is for metal smelting not power. you want to go without steel?

Boris said:

most of the coal is for metal smelting not power. you want to go without steel?

We could use aluminium or titanium instead

:)

party_pants said:

Boris said:

most of the coal is for metal smelting not power. you want to go without steel?

We could use aluminium or titanium instead

:)

Aluminium costs more to make, does it not?

what are you going to power the aluminium smelter with? they take a shitload of energy. solar? wind? doubt it.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Boris said:

most of the coal is for metal smelting not power. you want to go without steel?

We could use aluminium or titanium instead

:)

Aluminium costs more to make, does it not?

Hence the cheeky grin

Boris said:

most of the coal is for metal smelting not power. you want to go without steel?

Not for long, even if perhaps just true at present.

“In 2011, Australia’s thermal coal exports grew by four , relative to 2010, to total 148 million tonnes. Projections for 2012 see an increase of 10 in 2012 to 162 million tonnes, then growing at an average annual rate of 11 % between 2013 and 2017, to total 271 million tonnes by the end of the period.

Australia’s exports of metallurgical coal are forecast to increase at an average annual rate of eight %, reaching 218 million tonnes in 2017, with total earnings forecast at $40 billion in current Australian dollars. “

Anyway, carbon dioxide is carbon dioxide. What’s the difference?

What’s the difference?

ones natural, man….

morrie said:

Anyway, carbon dioxide is carbon dioxide. What’s the difference?

How much of it is put into the air rather than elsewhere.

party_pants said:

Boris said:

most of the coal is for metal smelting not power. you want to go without steel?

We could use aluminium or titanium instead

:)

this is true

build cars out of aluminium not steel

Boris said:

what are you going to power the aluminium smelter with? they take a shitload of energy. solar? wind? doubt it.

renewable energy

we are brainwashed to believe that the sun can’t provide all of our energy needs

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

Anyway, carbon dioxide is carbon dioxide. What’s the difference?

How much of it is put into the air rather than elsewhere.

Burn coal for electricity or use it to make steel. There is no difference. It all ends up as carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, man.

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

Boris said:

most of the coal is for metal smelting not power. you want to go without steel?

We could use aluminium or titanium instead

:)

this is true

build cars out of aluminium not steel

pop rivet all your coke cans together and add wheels.. so light the wind you make will blow it along.

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

Anyway, carbon dioxide is carbon dioxide. What’s the difference?

How much of it is put into the air rather than elsewhere.

Burn coal for electricity or use it to make steel. There is no difference. It all ends up as carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, man.

It doesn’t have to all end up there.

build cars out of aluminium not steel

too brittle, panelbeaters would have a hell of a job straightening a chassis.

roughbarked said:

morrie said:

roughbarked said:

Burn coal for electricity or use it to make steel. There is no difference. It all ends up as carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, man.

It doesn’t have to all end up there.

Yeah, we could bury it. I forgot.

we need some scrubbers at these coal burning places.

Boris said:

build cars out of aluminium not steel

too brittle, panelbeaters would have a hell of a job straightening a chassis.

The beauty of recycling just melt it down and press out a new one.

Boris said:

we need some scrubbers at these coal burning places.

Bugger the coal burning places….

Boris said:

we need some scrubbers at these coal burning places.

Where’s Dropbear when you need him. He knows a few doesn’t he? :)

Boris said:

we need some scrubbers at these coal burning places.

Chim chimeny chim chimeny chim chim cheroo

The beauty of recycling just melt it down and press out a new one.

all that energy wasted….

Woodie1 said:

Boris said:

we need some scrubbers at these coal burning places.

Where’s Dropbear when you need him. He knows a few doesn’t he? :)

Brooke_ doesn’t come here anymore.

Boris said:

The beauty of recycling just melt it down and press out a new one.

all that energy wasted….

The initial energy cost to make aluminium is far greater than that of recycling it.

roughbarked said:

Boris said:

The beauty of recycling just melt it down and press out a new one.

all that energy wasted….

The initial energy cost to make aluminium is far greater than that of recycling it.

The old Landies had aluminium bodywork didn’t they? The ones that ran on water?

The initial energy cost to make aluminium is far greater than that of recycling it.

but not a little as pulling a bit of steel straight?

landys had duralumin

Boris said:

The initial energy cost to make aluminium is far greater than that of recycling it.

but not a little as pulling a bit of steel straight?

true in the case of the chassis.

Boris said:

landys had duralumin

Whats that, an alloy?

morrie said:

Boris said:

landys had duralumin

Whats that, an alloy?

aluminum-based alloy

yep,

Duralumin (also called duraluminum, duraluminium or dural) is the trade name of one of the earliest types of age-hardenable aluminium alloys. The main alloying constituents are copper, manganese, and magnesium. A commonly used modern equivalent of this alloy type is AA2024, which contains 4.4% copper, 1.5% magnesium, 0.6% manganese and 93.5% aluminium by weight. Typical yield strength is 450 MPa (65 ksi), with variations depending on the composition and temper

wiki

Boris said:

build cars out of aluminium not steel

too brittle, panelbeaters would have a hell of a job straightening a chassis.

you just recylce the bent bit and put a new one in

morrie said:

Boris said:

landys had duralumin

Whats that, an alloy?

Aircraft grade, from memory.

true in the case of the chassis.

and body. not a lot of chassis on modern cars.

Boris said:

we need some scrubbers at these coal burning places.

waste of time

just don’t use coal

use the sun its easier and best of all – no moving parts

Boris said:

true in the case of the chassis.

and body. not a lot of chassis on modern cars.

They don’t fix bodywork if it is bent too far for a bog up job these days. They simply replace panels or write it off.

wookiemeister said:

Boris said:

we need some scrubbers at these coal burning places.

waste of time

just don’t use coal

use the sun its easier and best of all – no moving parts

I doubt we will ever stop using coal.. what is your toothbrush made from?

you just recylce the bent bit and put a new one in

or use steel and just straighten it. no weak spots from welding aluminium or even being able to get into the right position to weld it. why take extra body bits off when you don’t need to. plus the insurance companies have them screwed down pretty tight re pricing.

They don’t fix bodywork if it is bent too far for a bog up job these days.

you still have to straighten stuff to put the new panels on. my neighbour is a panelbeater so i have a fair idea of what happens.

Boris said:

you just recylce the bent bit and put a new one in

or use steel and just straighten it. no weak spots from welding aluminium or even being able to get into the right position to weld it. why take extra body bits off when you don’t need to. plus the insurance companies have them screwed down pretty tight re pricing.

labour costs most of it i’d say

instead its easier to not bend it back, it needs painting etc

bugger that

just get a new bit and slam it in, from a service point of view its easier

in the event of a crash the unbent bit is stronger i’d say then something that has already been damaged and bent back

roughbarked said:

I doubt we will ever stop using coal.. what is your toothbrush made from?

Someone’s been watching QI this week.

Boris said:

They don’t fix bodywork if it is bent too far for a bog up job these days.

you still have to straighten stuff to put the new panels on. my neighbour is a panelbeater so i have a fair idea of what happens.

Yair.. I have done most of my own panelbeating.

how much do you think a panelbeatering shop gets paid per hour by the insurance companies?

i would like to see you guesses.

Woodie1 said:

roughbarked said:

I doubt we will ever stop using coal.. what is your toothbrush made from?

Someone’s been watching QI this week.

It can be a hoot.

Yair.. I have done most of my own panelbeating.

well pete is a real panelbeater not a backyard bodger.

Boris said:

They don’t fix bodywork if it is bent too far for a bog up job these days.

you still have to straighten stuff to put the new panels on. my neighbour is a panelbeater so i have a fair idea of what happens.

the way we make and distribute cars is very old fashioned

i’d use supermarkets to sell cars than dedicated car dealers

oh yes

the car would have a 5 year life then straight into the scrap bin

the car would be taken apart and recycled

the good thing is that it keeps old bangers off the road

new cars suddenly become much cheaper because they aren’t meant to last very long

any new new technology to make cars more efficient comes onto the market much quicker

wookiemeister said:

Boris said:

you just recylce the bent bit and put a new one in

or use steel and just straighten it. no weak spots from welding aluminium or even being able to get into the right position to weld it. why take extra body bits off when you don’t need to. plus the insurance companies have them screwed down pretty tight re pricing.

labour costs most of it i’d say

instead its easier to not bend it back, it needs painting etc

bugger that

just get a new bit and slam it in, from a service point of view its easier

in the event of a crash the unbent bit is stronger i’d say then something that has already been damaged and bent back

Sheesh… what’s wrong with you lot? Just don’t crash the car in the first place. Problem solved.

Boris said:

Yair.. I have done most of my own panelbeating.

well pete is a real panelbeater not a backyard bodger.

LOL

I’m a watchmaker..

Woodie1 said:

Sheesh… what’s wrong with you lot? Just don’t crash the car in the first place. Problem solved.

I am a shit driver.

you do away with car mechanics and panel beaters and streamline the process

if you have a prang the whole car gets thrown away into recycling

Boris said:

my neighbour is a panelbeater so i have a fair idea of what happens.

The noise, the wild drinking, the parties. Yes, I know exactly what you mean.

I’m a watchmaker..

and that helps you do panelbeating how?

party_pants said:

Woodie1 said:

Sheesh… what’s wrong with you lot? Just don’t crash the car in the first place. Problem solved.

I am a shit driver.

It is always the other idiots behind their wheels.

Boris said:

I’m a watchmaker..

and that helps you do panelbeating how?

:)

you’d be surprised.

each new design should mean the occupant survives and has less injuries

just design the wholething to turn into a glorious shitball in a crash and leave the occupant uninjured – thats cheaper

The noise, the wild drinking, the parties. Yes, I know exactly what you mean.

petes a really good neighbour. he is also a very good panelbeater.

so surprise me roughie?

Boris said:

The noise, the wild drinking, the parties. Yes, I know exactly what you mean.

petes a really good neighbour. he is also a very good panelbeater.

never doubted it.. all Pete’s are good blokes.

a getz was costing 12,990

imagine if you designed a car to survive 5 years

the price would drop enormously

you’d just buy a new car every 5 years

in 5 years you’d probably spend more money on fuel

if you crack the indicators or bend the bumper a little just don’t do anything as long as the indicator works and the bumper isn’t a structural issue you just drive around with a slightly bumped vehicle

wookiemeister said:

just design the wholething to turn into a glorious shitball in a crash and leave the occupant uninjured – thats cheaper

So what happens if you hit a decent pothole?

Boris said:

so surprise me roughie?

peaning annealing and all that stuff about bending metals malleability and ductility etc.. are but a few of the things a watchmaker can apply to things smaller than a panelbeater can see.

>>new cars suddenly become much cheaper because they aren’t meant to last very long<<

So you just buy a new one every 5 years?

Fuck that, I’m still driving the second-hand one I bought in 1984.

now imagine if the car didn’t need to have the sparkplugs changed every 5 minutes

imagine if the oil could be easily changed by the driver

imagine if the airfilter gets changed by the owner.

the car tunes itself

the car would have its 5 years servicing thrown into the price, where steerign and breaking would be adjusted

Woodie1 said:

So what happens if you hit a decent pothole?

on my car the warning light that says something is seriously wrong with the motor comes on.. by the time I get to work it has turned off again.

wookiemeister said:

now imagine if the car didn’t need to have the sparkplugs changed every 5 minutes

imagine if the oil could be easily changed by the driver

imagine if the airfilter gets changed by the owner.

the car tunes itself

the car would have its 5 years servicing thrown into the price, where steerign and breaking would be adjusted

buy a diesel.

peaning annealing and all that stuff about bending metals malleability and ductility etc..

what about pulling a car? using trammels? glues? re skinning doors? taking a car apart and putting it back together in a timely fashion?

Kingy said:

>>new cars suddenly become much cheaper because they aren’t meant to last very long<<

So you just buy a new one every 5 years?

Fuck that, I’m still driving the second-hand one I bought in 1984.

so if it was only costing you perhaps 1500 a year for a car you’d knock it back?

a car is a disposable item

every 5 years the efficiency gets better and safer

Woodie1 said:

wookiemeister said:

just design the wholething to turn into a glorious shitball in a crash and leave the occupant uninjured – thats cheaper

So what happens if you hit a decent pothole?

if you don’t look where you are going don’t expect to be rewarded

the insurance could handle it – they’d sue the pants off the council

Boris said:

peaning annealing and all that stuff about bending metals malleability and ductility etc..

what about pulling a car? using trammels? glues? re skinning doors? taking a car apart and putting it back together in a timely fashion?

Couldn’t say I could shear a sheep as quickly as a gun shearer but the sheep would show no blood.

now imagine if the car didn’t need to have the sparkplugs changed every 5 minutes

imagine if the oil could be easily changed by the driver

imagine if the airfilter gets changed by the owner.

the car tunes itself

they don’t.
it can, having a hoist is nice though.
it can.
they don’t need tuning these days. computer does it on the go.

wookiemeister said:

Woodie1 said:

wookiemeister said:

just design the wholething to turn into a glorious shitball in a crash and leave the occupant uninjured – thats cheaper

So what happens if you hit a decent pothole?

if you don’t look where you are going don’t expect to be rewarded

the insurance could handle it – they’d sue the pants off the council

if you were known to be a bad driver that always seemed to be running into potholes you’d become uninsurable and the raods safer

Boris said:

now imagine if the car didn’t need to have the sparkplugs changed every 5 minutes

imagine if the oil could be easily changed by the driver

imagine if the airfilter gets changed by the owner.

the car tunes itself

they don’t.
it can, having a hoist is nice though.
it can.
they don’t need tuning these days. computer does it on the go.

so we are the brink of the new way of making and selling cars

wookiemeister said:

now imagine if the car didn’t need to have the sparkplugs changed every 5 minutes

imagine if the oil could be easily changed by the driver

imagine if the airfilter gets changed by the owner.

the car tunes itself

the car would have its 5 years servicing thrown into the price, where steerign and breaking would be adjusted

I’m still on the same spark plugs from 1984, change my own oil and filters. Simple to tune.

Paid $5750, and have got 29 years from it so far, and it increases in value every year.

How much per year are you proposing that I should spend on a throwaway?

I have been looking around for an old Pajero with a good body for a while in Gumtree with the idea of swapping my low km motor into it and basically having a spare car. Today, one appeared on the notice board in town. Overpriced, but exactly what I have been looking for. I think it may be the people who waved to me the other day from exactly the same car. So, I am rather hopeful that we might be able to do a deal. I am rather fond of the old Pajero.

Couldn’t say I could shear a sheep as quickly as a gun shearer but the sheep would show no blood.

you haven’t a clue. just bashing a panel sorta straight and bogging it isn’t panelbeating.

you drive to the supermarket

park your car

do your shopping choose a new car and leave in it

Boris said:

now imagine if the car didn’t need to have the sparkplugs changed every 5 minutes

imagine if the oil could be easily changed by the driver

imagine if the airfilter gets changed by the owner.

the car tunes itself

they don’t.
it can, having a hoist is nice though.
it can.
they don’t need tuning these days. computer does it on the go.

My FiL took his EH holden oin for the 100,000 mile service.. The mechanic took one look and said.. “don’t you believe in changing spark plugs?”
FiL said “well yes, if they are broken, why?”
Mechanic said “because these still have the factory paint from the new motor on them. They have done 100,000 miles.”

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

now imagine if the car didn’t need to have the sparkplugs changed every 5 minutes

imagine if the oil could be easily changed by the driver

imagine if the airfilter gets changed by the owner.

the car tunes itself

the car would have its 5 years servicing thrown into the price, where steerign and breaking would be adjusted

I’m still on the same spark plugs from 1984, change my own oil and filters. Simple to tune.

Paid $5750, and have got 29 years from it so far, and it increases in value every year.

How much per year are you proposing that I should spend on a throwaway?

what happens in a crash?

Boris said:

Couldn’t say I could shear a sheep as quickly as a gun shearer but the sheep would show no blood.

you haven’t a clue. just bashing a panel sorta straight and bogging it isn’t panelbeating.

:)

I know.. I have worked with panelbeaters.. I also have bent their watches back into shape.

imagine if you could “print” those cars instead of requiring some horendous assembly line

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

now imagine if the car didn’t need to have the sparkplugs changed every 5 minutes

imagine if the oil could be easily changed by the driver

imagine if the airfilter gets changed by the owner.

the car tunes itself

the car would have its 5 years servicing thrown into the price, where steerign and breaking would be adjusted

I’m still on the same spark plugs from 1984, change my own oil and filters. Simple to tune.

Paid $5750, and have got 29 years from it so far, and it increases in value every year.

How much per year are you proposing that I should spend on a throwaway?

what happens in a crash?

I use the money that I have saved over the years to buy another one.

ok

ok

so you print the car

the wiring is printed into place

modern cars are soooo much better than the ones 15 years ago. go better. stop better. use less fuel. more reliable. better protection for the occupants. more goodies inside. air con. disc brakes….

Boris said:

modern cars are soooo much better than the ones 15 years ago. go better. stop better. use less fuel. more reliable. better protection for the occupants. more goodies inside. air con. disc brakes….

No quarter glass..

Boris said:

modern cars are soooo much better than the ones 15 years ago. go better. stop better. use less fuel. more reliable. better protection for the occupants. more goodies inside. air con. disc brakes….

which is why i say just renew all cars every 5 years

wookiemeister said:

you drive to the supermarket

park your car

do your shopping choose a new car and leave in it

Just ask God for a new car, but I know God does not work that way. So just steal one and ask for forgiveness instead.

Woodie1 said:

wookiemeister said:

you drive to the supermarket

park your car

do your shopping choose a new car and leave in it

Just ask God for a new car, but I know God does not work that way. So just steal one and ask for forgiveness instead.

Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Merceeeeedes Benz..

No quarter glass..

what for? you have aircon. you can put them on fresh you know.

Boris said:

modern cars are soooo much better than the ones 15 years ago. go better. stop better. use less fuel. more reliable. better protection for the occupants. more goodies inside. air con. disc brakes….

Yeah, well…

Mine goes better and has disk brakes(on the front). The other items, not so much.

Woodie1 said:

wookiemeister said:

you drive to the supermarket

park your car

do your shopping choose a new car and leave in it

Just ask God for a new car, but I know God does not work that way. So just steal one and ask for forgiveness instead.

i bet that stolen cars would become relatively unknown with them being cheap

sure you you could joyride them but you’d still need to get past an fast evolving security system

oh yes, it wouldn’t even be worth stealing them for parts – it wouldn’t be worth it

Woodie1 said:

wookiemeister said:

you drive to the supermarket

park your car

do your shopping choose a new car and leave in it

Just ask God for a new car, but I know God does not work that way. So just steal one and ask for forgiveness instead.

With the Holidays upon us, I would like to share a personal experience with my friends about drinking and driving. As you may know, some of us have been known to have brushes with the authorities from time to time on the way home after a ‘social session’ out with friends.

Well, two days ago I was out for an evening with friends and had several cocktails, followed by some rather nice red wine. Feeling jolly, I still had the sense to know that I may be slightly over the limit. That’s when I did something that I’ve never done before – I took a cab home.

Sure enough, on the way home there was a police road block, but since it was a cab they waved it past. I arrived home safely without incident. This was a real surprise, as I had never driven a cab before, I don’t know where I got it, and now that it’s in my garage, I don’t know what to do with it.

Boris said:

No quarter glass..

what for? you have aircon. you can put them on fresh you know.

aircon can stop working and cost money.. quarter glass, you simply open or close.

roughbarked said:

Woodie1 said:

wookiemeister said:

you drive to the supermarket

park your car

do your shopping choose a new car and leave in it

Just ask God for a new car, but I know God does not work that way. So just steal one and ask for forgiveness instead.

With the Holidays upon us, I would like to share a personal experience with my friends about drinking and driving. As you may know, some of us have been known to have brushes with the authorities from time to time on the way home after a ‘social session’ out with friends.

Well, two days ago I was out for an evening with friends and had several cocktails, followed by some rather nice red wine. Feeling jolly, I still had the sense to know that I may be slightly over the limit. That’s when I did something that I’ve never done before – I took a cab home.

Sure enough, on the way home there was a police road block, but since it was a cab they waved it past. I arrived home safely without incident. This was a real surprise, as I had never driven a cab before, I don’t know where I got it, and now that it’s in my garage, I don’t know what to do with it.

shouldn’t you at least try to give the driver some water and food ?

quarter glass, you simply open or close.

great when it’s 40 outside. aircons are cheaper to run than having a window open.

roughbarked said:

Woodie1 said:

wookiemeister said:

you drive to the supermarket

park your car

do your shopping choose a new car and leave in it

Just ask God for a new car, but I know God does not work that way. So just steal one and ask for forgiveness instead.

With the Holidays upon us, I would like to share a personal experience with my friends about drinking and driving. As you may know, some of us have been known to have brushes with the authorities from time to time on the way home after a ‘social session’ out with friends.

Well, two days ago I was out for an evening with friends and had several cocktails, followed by some rather nice red wine. Feeling jolly, I still had the sense to know that I may be slightly over the limit. That’s when I did something that I’ve never done before – I took a cab home.

Sure enough, on the way home there was a police road block, but since it was a cab they waved it past. I arrived home safely without incident. This was a real surprise, as I had never driven a cab before, I don’t know where I got it, and now that it’s in my garage, I don’t know what to do with it.

I did that with a firetruck about an hour ago.

Boris said:

quarter glass, you simply open or close.

great when it’s 40 outside. aircons are cheaper to run than having a window open.

I’ve got a heater.

Mr. Been, have you thought about creating a new financial product that takes on responsibility for other people’s Carbon emissions? You could tell them you will pay the carbon tax on their behalf for a flat-rate fee (which is much lower than the current price) and employ a few hundred people to make phone calls and shuffle bits of paper around and such. When the whole thing goes belly-up, apply for government funding to bail you out and then sell the business.

Call it the Carbon Bank.

You know it makes sense.

:-)