Date: 5/02/2013 13:40:24
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 260887
Subject: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

http://theconversation.edu.au/crash-data-shows-cyclists-with-no-helmets-more-likely-to-ride-drunk-11944

Cyclists who ride without helmets are more likely to take risks while riding, like disobeying traffic controls or cycling while drunk, a new study of road accident data has found.

The study, conducted by academics at the University of NSW and published in the journal Accident Analysis and Prevention, examined NSW hospital and police records on 6745 cyclists involved in a motor vehicle collision between 2001 and 2009.

It found that wearing a helmet reduced the risk of head injury by up to 74%.

While 75.4% of the riders in the data set studied wore helmets, only about about half of those less than 19 years old wore helmets, the study found.

Non-helmeted cyclists were almost three times as likely to have disobeyed traffic controls as helmeted riders, and more than four times as likely to have been above the blood alcohol limit, said the study’s co-author, Dr Jake Olivier from the University of New South Wales’ School of Mathematics and Statistics.

“Those who wore helmets were more likely to be in high speed areas. If a person didn’t wear a helmet they were more likely to be in low speed areas. The overall effect was that helmet wearing was still beneficial,” he said, adding that the study showed wearing a helmet greatly reduced the risk of injury while riding.

“There have been calls from some people to get rid of helmet laws. What we have found disturbing is it’s young kids in the accidents not wearing helmets, kids who have their whole lives ahead of them and for whom having a serious brain injury will change their lives,” he said.

“People who don’t like helmets say it won’t help you with serious injury but this evidence points to the opposite.”

Professor Narelle Haworth, from QUT’s Centre for Accident Research and Road Safety – Queensland (CARRS-Q) said she was not surprised by the paper’s finding.

“This echoes a study we did that found that wearing a bicycle helmet was associated with a 69% reduction in the likelihood of head or brain injuries and a 74% reduction in the likelihood of severe brain injury,” said Professor Haworth, who was not involved in the UNSW study.

“Another observational study we did found that people not wearing helmets, or not wearing helmets that were fastened, were more likely to have conflict with pedestrians in the middle of the city.”

Dr Chris Rissel, Professor of Public Health at the University of Sydney said risky behaviour contributes to crashes.

“The authors say that bicyclists who do not wear helmets are more likely to engage in risky riding behaviours. Surely it is the risky behaviour that contributes to crashes, and hence injuries,” he said.

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Date: 5/02/2013 13:44:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 260892
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

>“The authors say that bicyclists who do not wear helmets are more likely to engage in risky riding behaviours. Surely it is the risky behaviour that contributes to crashes, and hence injuries,” he said.

Aye. If you’re inclined to ride a bike while drunk, putting a helmet on your head is unlikely to change that. In fact it may contribute a false sense of security.

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Date: 5/02/2013 13:46:11
From: Lord_Lucan
ID: 260896
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Riding a bicycle without a helmet is against the law.
So basically what the research is saying is that people who break the law are more likely to break other laws, brilliant.

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Date: 5/02/2013 13:48:04
From: Divine Angel
ID: 260899
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Having a head injury makes people do all sorts of strange things, like start a religion after being hit on the head with a rock.

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Date: 5/02/2013 13:50:13
From: party_pants
ID: 260900
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Seems to me that law-abiding citizens wear helmets and obey all the other usual traffic rules. Not wearing a helmet is in itself a breach of the rules, so I don’t find it surprising they are more likely to break other road rules too.

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Date: 5/02/2013 13:51:03
From: Rule 303
ID: 260902
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

neomyrtus_ said:

There have been calls from some people to get rid of helmet laws.

Really?

Who, when, where and why?

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Date: 5/02/2013 13:52:16
From: Boris
ID: 260903
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Seems to me that law-abiding citizens wear helmets and obey all the other usual traffic rules.

now that is just plain daft.

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Date: 5/02/2013 13:55:21
From: poikilotherm
ID: 260904
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Rule 303 said:


neomyrtus_ said:
There have been calls from some people to get rid of helmet laws.

Really?

Who, when, where and why?

Bubblecar, ASAP, because it’s a sign of the Nanny-state apocalpyse when one has to wear a helmet and vote in the same country.

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Date: 5/02/2013 13:57:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 260907
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

>Who, when, where and why?

Most of the world have no compulsory helmet laws, and aren’t looking to pass any. The heavy bike-riding nations of Europe have looked at such laws and rejected them, as they would result in significantly less bike use. The governments of countries like Holland don’t even publicly encourage helmet use, as such publicity makes bike-riding seem more dangerous than it actually is.

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Date: 5/02/2013 13:58:54
From: party_pants
ID: 260910
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

I don’t like wearing a bike helmet, but I do it anyway.

I used to ride everywhere when I was young and didn’t have my own car.

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:00:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 260911
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

>I don’t like wearing a bike helmet, but I do it anyway.

So do I, ‘cos it’s compulsory.

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:07:21
From: Rule 303
ID: 260915
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Bubblecar said:

Most of the world have no compulsory helmet laws, and aren’t looking to pass any. The heavy bike-riding nations of Europe have looked at such laws and rejected them, as they would result in significantly less bike use. The governments of countries like Holland don’t even publicly encourage helmet use, as such publicity makes bike-riding seem more dangerous than it actually is.

Seems ridiculous.

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:09:09
From: Rule 303
ID: 260917
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Bubblecar said:

>I don’t like wearing a bike helmet, but I do it anyway.

So do I, ‘cos it’s compulsory.

I wear one because I have better uses for my head than to hit stuff.

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:10:15
From: Arts
ID: 260918
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

I can’t imagine why anyone would not want to make themselves ‘safer’

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:17:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 260921
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Arts said:


I can’t imagine why anyone would not want to make themselves ‘safer’

There are millions upon millions of people throughout the world whose primary means of transport throughout their lives is a bicycle, and who don’t wear helmets, do feel safe, and do live to a ripe old age without suffering serious head injuries.

One of the main factors that contributes to a relatively low accident rate per cyclist in nations with heavy bike use is the sheer number of bikes everywhere, which makes riding safer for everyone. Introducing compulsory helmets would seriously lower that number and almost certainly push up the serious accident rate.

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:18:43
From: party_pants
ID: 260923
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Arts said:


I can’t imagine why anyone would not want to make themselves ‘safer’

Comfort versus perceived risk I guess. I found the helmet uncomfortable to wear, and I went through several models. Maybe these days they’ve developed comfortable helmets..

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:18:44
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 260924
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Arts said:


I can’t imagine why anyone would not want to make themselves ‘safer’

Yeah! who wants to live for ever? or even past 80?

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:21:54
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 260925
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Lord_Lucan said:


Riding a bicycle without a helmet is against the law.
So basically what the research is saying is that people who break the law are more likely to break other laws, brilliant.

pretty much – interesting, innit? You’ve also captured other demographic information (like age).

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:27:50
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 260926
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

neomyrtus_ said:


Lord_Lucan said:

Riding a bicycle without a helmet is against the law.
So basically what the research is saying is that people who break the law are more likely to break other laws, brilliant.

pretty much – interesting, innit? You’ve also captured other demographic information (like age).

“Eureka!!!! make it illegal to live past 50?

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:29:54
From: poikilotherm
ID: 260928
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

bob(from black rock) said:


neomyrtus_ said:

Lord_Lucan said:

Riding a bicycle without a helmet is against the law.
So basically what the research is saying is that people who break the law are more likely to break other laws, brilliant.

pretty much – interesting, innit? You’ve also captured other demographic information (like age).

“Eureka!!!! make it illegal to live past 50?

Good idea

It’d make housing cheaper…

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:34:12
From: Arts
ID: 260930
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Bubblecar said:


Arts said:

I can’t imagine why anyone would not want to make themselves ‘safer’

There are millions upon millions of people throughout the world whose primary means of transport throughout their lives is a bicycle, and who don’t wear helmets, do feel safe, and do live to a ripe old age without suffering serious head injuries.

One of the main factors that contributes to a relatively low accident rate per cyclist in nations with heavy bike use is the sheer number of bikes everywhere, which makes riding safer for everyone. Introducing compulsory helmets would seriously lower that number and almost certainly push up the serious accident rate.

shrug a helmet is like a seatbelt… you can forget it a thousand times but you’ll only wish you ever had it once.

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:34:43
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 260931
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

bob(from black rock) said:

“Eureka!!!! make it illegal to live past 50?

what? How did you arrive at that conclusion from the abstract?

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:35:17
From: Arts
ID: 260932
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

poikilotherm said:


bob(from black rock) said:

neomyrtus_ said:

pretty much – interesting, innit? You’ve also captured other demographic information (like age).

“Eureka!!!! make it illegal to live past 50?

Good idea

It’d make housing cheaper…

there was a movie plot like that

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:36:31
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 260933
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

party_pants said:

Comfort versus perceived risk I guess. I found the helmet uncomfortable to wear, and I went through several models. Maybe these days they’ve developed comfortable helmets..

You were cycling 20 years ago? They’re pretty lightweight and air vented now (depending on what you want). More comfy than PEE std issue hard hats, or whitewater kayak helmets, or motorbike helmets, or snowboarding/ski helmets and some double as classy roller derby helmets. If you’re used to PPE and OSH stuff for a wide range of activities, this is on the very low end of the scale of shit you have to wear/deal with.

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:38:47
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 260935
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

neomyrtus_ said:


bob(from black rock) said:

“Eureka!!!! make it illegal to live past 50?

what? How did you arrive at that conclusion from the abstract?

By being 72 and thinking, it has been a good ride, quit while I’m ahead.

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:38:53
From: poikilotherm
ID: 260936
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Arts said:


poikilotherm said:

bob(from black rock) said:

“Eureka!!!! make it illegal to live past 50?

Good idea

It’d make housing cheaper…

there was a movie plot like that

Was it Logans Run?

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:42:23
From: Arts
ID: 260938
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

poikilotherm said:


Arts said:

poikilotherm said:

Good idea

It’d make housing cheaper…

there was a movie plot like that

Was it Logans Run?

could have been. was that the one where they exterminated everyone at age 30 or something?

and there was another one where everyone was actually ‘spare parts’ for the real humans.. can’t remember what that one was called…

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:42:57
From: Arts
ID: 260939
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

anyway.. wrt to the OP.. I think it’s pretty clear that we all know that deep down cyclists are cheats…

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:46:59
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 260940
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

bob(from black rock) said:

By being 72 and thinking, it has been a good ride, quit while I’m ahead.

That’s nice. But the data suggested that risky behaviour was being exhibited disproportionately among younger cyclists.

So you end up with, say, a brain-injured 19 year old with at least 40-50 years of disability.

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Date: 5/02/2013 14:47:11
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 260941
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Arts said:


anyway.. wrt to the OP.. I think it’s pretty clear that we all know that deep down cyclists are cheats…

They even cheat death for a while.

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Date: 5/02/2013 15:40:26
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 260953
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Arts said:


poikilotherm said:

Arts said:

there was a movie plot like that

Was it Logans Run?

could have been. was that the one where they exterminated everyone at age 30 or something?

and there was another one where everyone was actually ‘spare parts’ for the real humans.. can’t remember what that one was called…

Logan’s Run (with Dick York) was were people were euthed at 30. Soylent Green was about biscuits. The Island had Ewan mcgregor & Scarlett johansson innit and involved clones of people being grown and harvested for organs without the consent of the clones (da da daaaa..). … which is more akin to the term being given to motorcyclists by ED doctors.

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Date: 5/02/2013 15:48:41
From: Boris
ID: 260954
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

michael york. and jenny agutter.

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Date: 5/02/2013 15:50:22
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 260955
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

was Dick York the geezer in I dream of Genie or summat?

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Date: 5/02/2013 15:50:52
From: neomyrtus_
ID: 260957
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Where’s Neophyte when you need him?

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Date: 5/02/2013 15:55:11
From: Boris
ID: 260958
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

bewitched. he was derwent, or was it darwin…?

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Date: 5/02/2013 15:56:52
From: Boris
ID: 260959
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

you have me neo, what more could one want?
and no, i don’t want an answer.

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Date: 5/02/2013 15:59:31
From: Boris
ID: 260961
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

larry hagman, dallas fame, and barbara eden in I dream of genie. elisabeth montgomery, died of cancer i believe, same as morticia addams….now i’m just showing off.

;-)

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Date: 5/02/2013 16:03:04
From: Lord_Lucan
ID: 260962
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

>>larry hagman, dallas fame, and barbara eden in I dream of genie. elisabeth montgomery, died of cancer i believe, same as morticia addams….now i’m just showing off.

starts running around bouncing off walls and screaming

They’re all dead man, dead dead dead I tell ya…dead dead dead

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Date: 5/02/2013 16:05:22
From: Boris
ID: 260963
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

funnily enough morticia died of colon cancer and elizabeth died of colorectal cancer.

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Date: 5/02/2013 16:07:32
From: Boris
ID: 260964
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

which of course segues into the appropriate song…

We praise the colorectal surgeon
Misunderstood and much maligned
Slaving away in the heart of darkness
Working where the sun don’t shine

Respect the colorectal surgeon
It’s a calling few would crave
Lift up your hands and join us
Let’s all do the finger wave

When it comes to spreading joy
There are many techniques
Some spread joy to the world
And others just spread cheeks
Some may think the cardiologist
Is their best friend
But the colorectal surgeon knows…
He’ll get you in the end!

Why be a colorectal surgeon?
It’s one of those mysterious things.
Is it because in that profession
There are always openings?

When I first met a colorectal surgeon
He did not quite understand;
I said, “Hey nice to meet you
But do you mind? We don’t shake hands.”

He sailed right through medical school
Because he was a whiz
Oh but he never thought of psychology
Though he read passages.
A doctor he wanted to be
For golf he loved to play,
But this is not quite what he meant…
By eighteen holes a day!

Praise the colorectal surgeon
Misunderstood and much maligned
Slaving away in the heart of darkness
Working where the sun don’t shine!

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Date: 5/02/2013 16:08:19
From: Boris
ID: 260966
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

and i do all this for no thanks and less money.

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Date: 5/02/2013 16:10:20
From: Michael V
ID: 260967
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

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Date: 5/02/2013 16:14:36
From: Michael V
ID: 260968
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

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Date: 5/02/2013 16:19:01
From: Boris
ID: 260970
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

thanks michael, though to be truthful i do it more to amuse myself than an audience.

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Date: 5/02/2013 17:17:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 261009
Subject: re: Crash data shows cyclists with no helmets more likely to ride drunk

Boris said:


thanks michael, though to be truthful i do it more to amuse myself than an audience.

You’ve got a weird sensauma.

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