I’d watch them but I don’t think they have CC…RoughBarked may have an opinion or two

I don’t believe we necessarily have a production problem so much as a wastage problem. I heard an interview last year that said that the world produces enough food to feed the current world population 3 times over, but most of it is wasted due to greed in affluent countries or lack of suitable storage facilities in undeveloped countries. Many farmers in Australia are struggling to make enough money to pay their expenses these days, so why do they think we can produce more if the market is not there?

We do waste a lot, we are spoilt when it comes to choice fruit and vegetables, and we don’t use the whole item like they do in, say, Asian back-countries…

Dinetta said:

We do waste a lot, we are spoilt when it comes to choice fruit and vegetables, and we don’t use the whole item like they do in, say, Asian back-countries…

we have no constant of waste not want not.

bluegreen said:

I don’t believe we necessarily have a production problem so much as a wastage problem. I heard an interview last year that said that the world produces enough food to feed the current world population 3 times over, but most of it is wasted due to greed in affluent countries or lack of suitable storage facilities in undeveloped countries. Many farmers in Australia are struggling to make enough money to pay their expenses these days, so why do they think we can produce more if the market is not there?

I’m not sure that it’s greed in this instance. We waste because of fussiness – everything must be perfect.
In achieving perfection the producers have disabled the ‘taste’ button. So we have perfect-looking produce but no taste and everything that’s not perfect looking is chucked out!.

We am struggling to preserve or giveaway my garden excess. Beans, olives and toms are easy to preserve but what do you do with 100’s of – figs, lemon verbena leaves, cueys, eggplant, citrus etc?

justin said:

bluegreen said:

I don’t believe we necessarily have a production problem so much as a wastage problem. I heard an interview last year that said that the world produces enough food to feed the current world population 3 times over, but most of it is wasted due to greed in affluent countries or lack of suitable storage facilities in undeveloped countries. Many farmers in Australia are struggling to make enough money to pay their expenses these days, so why do they think we can produce more if the market is not there?

I’m not sure that it’s greed in this instance. We waste because of fussiness – everything must be perfect.
In achieving perfection the producers have disabled the ‘taste’ button. So we have perfect-looking produce but no taste and everything that’s not perfect looking is chucked out!.

We am struggling to preserve or giveaway my garden excess. Beans, olives and toms are easy to preserve but what do you do with 100’s of – figs, lemon verbena leaves, cueys, eggplant, citrus etc?

Sometimes I wonder if the fussiness is not driven by the supermarkets. I never asked for a perfect looking but tasteless tomato! Greed comes into it when farmers have to dump their produce because the big buyers would rather sell less for a higher price than more at a lower one. Why produce more if it is only going to get thrown away?

bluegreen said:

justin said:

bluegreen said:

I don’t believe we necessarily have a production problem so much as a wastage problem. I heard an interview last year that said that the world produces enough food to feed the current world population 3 times over, but most of it is wasted due to greed in affluent countries or lack of suitable storage facilities in undeveloped countries. Many farmers in Australia are struggling to make enough money to pay their expenses these days, so why do they think we can produce more if the market is not there?

I’m not sure that it’s greed in this instance. We waste because of fussiness – everything must be perfect.
In achieving perfection the producers have disabled the ‘taste’ button. So we have perfect-looking produce but no taste and everything that’s not perfect looking is chucked out!.

We am struggling to preserve or giveaway my garden excess. Beans, olives and toms are easy to preserve but what do you do with 100’s of – figs, lemon verbena leaves, cueys, eggplant, citrus etc?

Sometimes I wonder if the fussiness is not driven by the supermarkets. I never asked for a perfect looking but tasteless tomato! Greed comes into it when farmers have to dump their produce because the big buyers would rather sell less for a higher price than more at a lower one. Why produce more if it is only going to get thrown away?

I don’t know if anyone has seen the people’s supermarket stuff from Britain(in TV). He copied it from the USA or Canada where they buy the product that the supermarkets don’t want and incorporate their members into the cooperative so that they not only get buying power but also rebates. Stuff like bent cucumbers.. taste as good or better than what the supermarkets sell but are otherwise thrown away.

Sometimes I wonder if the fussiness is not driven by the supermarkets. I never asked for a perfect looking but tasteless tomato! Greed comes into it when farmers have to dump their produce because the big buyers would rather sell less for a higher price than more at a lower one. Why produce more if it is only going to get thrown away?

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we are fussy – i always sort out the best avocado, celery, zuch – and so does everyone else.
- did you ever get organic produce delivered to your door? that would be an example of not being able to choose the best.

justin said:

Sometimes I wonder if the fussiness is not driven by the supermarkets. I never asked for a perfect looking but tasteless tomato! Greed comes into it when farmers have to dump their produce because the big buyers would rather sell less for a higher price than more at a lower one. Why produce more if it is only going to get thrown away?

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we are fussy – i always sort out the best avocado, celery, zuch – and so does everyone else.
- did you ever get organic produce delivered to your door? that would be an example of not being able to choose the best.

From our own garden, we only take the best.

roughbarked said:

justin said:

Sometimes I wonder if the fussiness is not driven by the supermarkets. I never asked for a perfect looking but tasteless tomato! Greed comes into it when farmers have to dump their produce because the big buyers would rather sell less for a higher price than more at a lower one. Why produce more if it is only going to get thrown away?

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we are fussy – i always sort out the best avocado, celery, zuch – and so does everyone else.
- did you ever get organic produce delivered to your door? that would be an example of not being able to choose the best.

From our own garden, we only take the best.

yeah – so how are they going to market less-then-perfect-lookin’ produce?
i know with our roadside stall, the less then perfect-lookin’ strawbs were in the bottom of the punnet or turned into jam.
currently the reject corn, grapes and figs are gobbled by the chooks – so hey ! – maybe we can stop feeding our animals soya beans and anti-biotics and feed them scraps again!

justin said:

…. but what do you do with 100’s of – figs, lemon verbena leaves, cueys, eggplant, citrus etc?

FIGS!! Well there’s fig jam for starters, and you could dry them as well??cueys will convert into a soup (make sure it’s a freeze-able recipe), eggplant can be preserved in oil as roasted, similar to capsicum? citrus – the lemons and limes can be preserved in their own juice plus salt…could you Vacola bottle the mandarin and orange segments?

I’m sure the fussiness is driven by the supermarkets…fondly recall the (now defunct) local green grocer who would bundle up the less than firm tomatoes, bordering on over-ripe, as “cookers”…and they would just vanish off the shelves…

roughbarked said:

I don’t know if anyone has seen the people’s supermarket stuff from Britain(in TV). He copied it from the USA or Canada where they buy the product that the supermarkets don’t want and incorporate their members into the cooperative so that they not only get buying power but also rebates. Stuff like bent cucumbers.. taste as good or better than what the supermarkets sell but are otherwise thrown away.

It sounds a great idea… prolly “illegal” here because “hygenic” or liable to prosecution by fools who think the purchase of an over-ripe tomato is a suing offence…

roughbarked said:

From our own garden, we only take the best.

True, but you recycle the rest, you don’t just dump it…

Dinetta said:

justin said:

…. but what do you do with 100’s of – figs, lemon verbena leaves, cueys, eggplant, citrus etc?

FIGS!! Well there’s fig jam for starters, and you could dry them as well??cueys will convert into a soup (make sure it’s a freeze-able recipe), eggplant can be preserved in oil as roasted, similar to capsicum? citrus – the lemons and limes can be preserved in their own juice plus salt…could you Vacola bottle the mandarin and orange segments?

you’re right but
- time’s a problem
- we have so much figjam, strawberry jam and various other marmarlades that we can’t eat them or give them away.
- we have big jars of preserved lemon plus beautiful citrus ciders
- we don’t have vacola but we have dehydrated toms and various leathers

we have too much to eat – that’s probablty the reeason for overweightness.

I meant, “unhygenic”…derr

justin said:

we have too much to eat – that’s probablty the reeason for overweightness.

Well can you give the finished product to the old people’s home, or to Girl Guides or Scouts to sell as fundraisers?

Dinetta said:

I’m sure the fussiness is driven by the supermarkets…fondly recall the (now defunct) local green grocer who would bundle up the less than firm tomatoes, bordering on over-ripe, as “cookers”…and they would just vanish off the shelves…

a good idea but IGA does it too – yesterday’s produce is priced down – however shelf life is still a problem.

justin said:

a good idea but IGA does it too – yesterday’s produce is priced down – however shelf life is still a problem.

One of the IGA’s does it here, you really need to get in quick as all the savvy housewives know what to do with it…I managed to snaffle bananas at $0.99 once and they lived happily in my freezer…

Dinetta said:

justin said:

we have too much to eat – that’s probablty the reeason for overweightness.

Well can you give the finished product to the old people’s home, or to Girl Guides or Scouts to sell as fundraisers?

probably – i’ll see what they say. mind you – the time and cost of preserving means its cheaper and easier to give to our poor starving chookies LOL.

Dinetta said:

justin said:

…. but what do you do with 100’s of – figs, lemon verbena leaves, cueys, eggplant, citrus etc?

FIGS!! Well there’s fig jam for starters, and you could dry them as well??cueys will convert into a soup (make sure it’s a freeze-able recipe), eggplant can be preserved in oil as roasted, similar to capsicum? citrus – the lemons and limes can be preserved in their own juice plus salt…could you Vacola bottle the mandarin and orange segments?

Eggplant.. melanzani Vinegar is your friend.

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

From our own garden, we only take the best.

True, but you recycle the rest, you don’t just dump it…

There is a lot of money to be made from rubbish.

justin said:

Dinetta said:

I’m sure the fussiness is driven by the supermarkets…fondly recall the (now defunct) local green grocer who would bundle up the less than firm tomatoes, bordering on over-ripe, as “cookers”…and they would just vanish off the shelves…

a good idea but IGA does it too – yesterday’s produce is priced down – however shelf life is still a problem.

Shelf life.. Bill Mollison of Permaculture fame, suggests that 95% of the price of food on the shelf is due to waste..

roughbarked said:

justin said:

Dinetta said:

I’m sure the fussiness is driven by the supermarkets…fondly recall the (now defunct) local green grocer who would bundle up the less than firm tomatoes, bordering on over-ripe, as “cookers”…and they would just vanish off the shelves…

a good idea but IGA does it too – yesterday’s produce is priced down – however shelf life is still a problem.

Shelf life.. Bill Mollison of Permaculture fame, suggests that 95% of the price of food on the shelf is due to waste..

compost is the answer – but there is still considerable cost involved – although it is the best last resort.

justin said:

roughbarked said:

justin said:

a good idea but IGA does it too – yesterday’s produce is priced down – however shelf life is still a problem.

Shelf life.. Bill Mollison of Permaculture fame, suggests that 95% of the price of food on the shelf is due to waste..

compost is the answer – but there is still considerable cost involved – although it is the best last resort.

Cost of composting should be zilch, apart from the work. It creates its own energy if the work is done properly.

roughbarked said:

justin said:

roughbarked said:

Shelf life.. Bill Mollison of Permaculture fame, suggests that 95% of the price of food on the shelf is due to waste..

compost is the answer – but there is still considerable cost involved – although it is the best last resort.

Cost of composting should be zilch, apart from the work. It creates its own energy if the work is done properly.

i spose if compost sells at a profit you can say that.

justin said:

roughbarked said:

justin said:

compost is the answer – but there is still considerable cost involved – although it is the best last resort.

Cost of composting should be zilch, apart from the work. It creates its own energy if the work is done properly.

i spose if compost sells at a profit you can say that.

sell compost?

are you mad?

roughbarked said:

justin said:

roughbarked said:

Cost of composting should be zilch, apart from the work. It creates its own energy if the work is done properly.

i spose if compost sells at a profit you can say that.

sell compost? are you mad?

possibly i am – but i wouldn’t know it would i?
i was thinking more of the commercial boys like ‘jeffries’ here in adealide. they are marketing the organic compost made from everyone’s green waste.

justin said:

Sometimes I wonder if the fussiness is not driven by the supermarkets. I never asked for a perfect looking but tasteless tomato! Greed comes into it when farmers have to dump their produce because the big buyers would rather sell less for a higher price than more at a lower one. Why produce more if it is only going to get thrown away?

—————————————————————————————————————————

we are fussy – i always sort out the best avocado, celery, zuch – and so does everyone else.
- did you ever get organic produce delivered to your door? that would be an example of not being able to choose the best.

Everyone will buy what looks the best of what is available, but we are also given limited choice as to what is available. I will select undamaged over damaged but cosmetic blemishes don’t bother me. I will buy organic over regular as much as I can, even if the organic is blemished because I know the cost of that unblemished look. But most wouldn’t. And yes, I have had organic produce delivered to my door. Most of my produce shopping was done like that for many years when in Melbourne, even meat direct from the producer for a little while. In the days before the big self-serve supermarkets you would go into the grocery shop and ask for a kilo of whatever and the salesperson would get it for you and you took what you were given. I bet there was less waste then.

justin said:

roughbarked said:

justin said:

i spose if compost sells at a profit you can say that.

sell compost? are you mad?

possibly i am – but i wouldn’t know it would i?
i was thinking more of the commercial boys like ‘jeffries’ here in adealide. they are marketing the organic compost made from everyone’s green waste.

Buy compost? They know we are stupid.

justin said:

yeah – so how are they going to market less-then-perfect-lookin’ produce?

justin said:

currently the reject corn, grapes and figs are gobbled by the chooks – so hey ! – maybe we can stop feeding our animals soya beans and anti-biotics and feed them scraps again!

abso-bluddy-lutely!

justin said:

Dinetta said:

justin said:

…. but what do you do with 100’s of – figs, lemon verbena leaves, cueys, eggplant, citrus etc?

FIGS!! Well there’s fig jam for starters, and you could dry them as well??cueys will convert into a soup (make sure it’s a freeze-able recipe), eggplant can be preserved in oil as roasted, similar to capsicum? citrus – the lemons and limes can be preserved in their own juice plus salt…could you Vacola bottle the mandarin and orange segments?

you’re right but
- time’s a problem
- we have so much figjam, strawberry jam and various other marmarlades that we can’t eat them or give them away.
- we have big jars of preserved lemon plus beautiful citrus ciders
- we don’t have vacola but we have dehydrated toms and various leathers

we have too much to eat – that’s probablty the reeason for overweightness.

a case of oversupply on a small level. You are producing more than you have a market for (yourself) so it goes to waste.

bluegreen said:

justin said:

yeah – so how are they going to market less-then-perfect-lookin’ produce?

justin said:

currently the reject corn, grapes and figs are gobbled by the chooks – so hey ! – maybe we can stop feeding our animals soya beans and anti-biotics and feed them scraps again!

abso-bluddy-lutely!

A good book.. I am having trouble remembering the author but the book was titled simply, Tree Crops.

It dealt extensively on the subject of feeding pigs and poultry from existing trees, planted or otherwise.

roughbarked said:

justin said:

roughbarked said:

sell compost? are you mad?

possibly i am – but i wouldn’t know it would i?
i was thinking more of the commercial boys like ‘jeffries’ here in adealide. they are marketing the organic compost made from everyone’s green waste.

Buy compost? They know we are stupid.

i buy it even tho’ my back turns my own compost heaps.
its pretty cheap – a loaded trailor for $30-$40 – that about $3-$4 a wheelbarrow load – hey ! who’ says i’m stupid? LOL.

bluegreen said:

justin said:

Dinetta said:

FIGS!! Well there’s fig jam for starters, and you could dry them as well??cueys will convert into a soup (make sure it’s a freeze-able recipe), eggplant can be preserved in oil as roasted, similar to capsicum? citrus – the lemons and limes can be preserved in their own juice plus salt…could you Vacola bottle the mandarin and orange segments?

you’re right but
- time’s a problem
- we have so much figjam, strawberry jam and various other marmarlades that we can’t eat them or give them away.
- we have big jars of preserved lemon plus beautiful citrus ciders
- we don’t have vacola but we have dehydrated toms and various leathers

we have too much to eat – that’s probablty the reeason for overweightness.

a case of oversupply on a small level. You are producing more than you have a market for (yourself) so it goes to waste.

All creatures great and small gobble up our waste and indeed have learned to live off it.

justin said:

roughbarked said:

justin said:

possibly i am – but i wouldn’t know it would i?
i was thinking more of the commercial boys like ‘jeffries’ here in adealide. they are marketing the organic compost made from everyone’s green waste.

Buy compost? They know we are stupid.

i buy it even tho’ my back turns my own compost heaps.
its pretty cheap – a loaded trailor for $30-$40 – that about $3-$4 a wheelbarrow load – hey ! who’ says i’m stupid? LOL.

I ask you to try and ask someone else to pay you $1.50 to load a wheelbarrow with a shovel.

however when it is your compost, every wheelbarrow is worth $150.

justin said:

yeah – so how are they going to market less-then-perfect-lookin’ produce?

I meant to say here, “education”

bluegreen said:

justin said:

yeah – so how are they going to market less-then-perfect-lookin’ produce?

I meant to say here, “education”

known as ‘marketing’ also. it is probably happening right now in farmers markets.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

From our own garden, we only take the best.

True, but you recycle the rest, you don’t just dump it…

There is a lot of money to be made from rubbish.

I reckon recycling firms will become valuable, given time…

roughbarked said:

justin said:

roughbarked said:

Shelf life.. Bill Mollison of Permaculture fame, suggests that 95% of the price of food on the shelf is due to waste..

compost is the answer – but there is still considerable cost involved – although it is the best last resort.

Cost of composting should be zilch, apart from the work. It creates its own energy if the work is done properly.

Justin what do you mean by costs…?

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

justin said:

compost is the answer – but there is still considerable cost involved – although it is the best last resort.

Cost of composting should be zilch, apart from the work. It creates its own energy if the work is done properly.

Justin what do you mean by costs…?

If done on a commercial basis there is the capital costs of land and equipment and the ongoing costs of labour, power, fuel and packaging.

No cost if done at home.

roughbarked said:

justin said:

i spose if compost sells at a profit you can say that.

sell compost?

are you mad?

I did wonder…

roughbarked said:

justin said:

roughbarked said:

sell compost? are you mad?

possibly i am – but i wouldn’t know it would i?
i was thinking more of the commercial boys like ‘jeffries’ here in adealide. they are marketing the organic compost made from everyone’s green waste.

Buy compost? They know we are stupid.

It’s pretty hard to make your own if you’re a unit dweller in a city, but I think a lot of suburbanites just won’t “have a go”…

roughbarked said:

when it is your compost, every wheelbarrow is worth $150.

nods agreement

In the days before the big self-serve supermarkets you would go into the grocery shop and ask for a kilo of whatever and the salesperson would get it for you and you took what you were given. I bet there was less waste then.

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i remember that.
it might return – there was a time when we thought only department stores would prosper – but they have gone and been replaced by franchised stores selling specialties.
so i guess an australia wide greengrocer franchise could start the demise of the supermarkets?

justin said:

In the days before the big self-serve supermarkets you would go into the grocery shop and ask for a kilo of whatever and the salesperson would get it for you and you took what you were given. I bet there was less waste then.

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i remember that.
it might return – there was a time when we thought only department stores would prosper – but they have gone and been replaced by franchised stores selling specialties.
so i guess an australia wide greengrocer franchise could start the demise of the supermarkets?

One can only hope…

Dinetta said:

justin said:

In the days before the big self-serve supermarkets you would go into the grocery shop and ask for a kilo of whatever and the salesperson would get it for you and you took what you were given. I bet there was less waste then.

———————————————————————————————

i remember that.
it might return – there was a time when we thought only department stores would prosper – but they have gone and been replaced by franchised stores selling specialties.
so i guess an australia wide greengrocer franchise could start the demise of the supermarkets?

One can only hope…

the british empire broke down into its constituent parts.
harvey norman was a chief executive in one of the big department stores and broke the power of department stores from within.
my money is on the ‘farmer’s markets’ tho’. i think the suppliers will break their chains and breathe life back into the food supply chain.

justin said:

the british empire broke down into its constituent parts.
harvey norman was a chief executive in one of the big department stores and broke the power of department stores from within.
my money is on the ‘farmer’s markets’ tho’. i think the suppliers will break their chains and breathe life back into the food supply chain.

Interesting about Harvey Norman… I believe the ACCC is investigating the big chains’ screwing of the farmers…

justin said:

bluegreen said:

I don’t believe we necessarily have a production problem so much as a wastage problem. I heard an interview last year that said that the world produces enough food to feed the current world population 3 times over, but most of it is wasted due to greed in affluent countries or lack of suitable storage facilities in undeveloped countries. Many farmers in Australia are struggling to make enough money to pay their expenses these days, so why do they think we can produce more if the market is not there?

I’m not sure that it’s greed in this instance. We waste because of fussiness – everything must be perfect.
In achieving perfection the producers have disabled the ‘taste’ button. So we have perfect-looking produce but no taste and everything that’s not perfect looking is chucked out!.

We am struggling to preserve or giveaway my garden excess. Beans, olives and toms are easy to preserve but what do you do with 100’s of – figs, lemon verbena leaves, cueys, eggplant, citrus etc?

Pickle the cueys for a start.

bluegreen said:

justin said:

bluegreen said:

I don’t believe we necessarily have a production problem so much as a wastage problem. I heard an interview last year that said that the world produces enough food to feed the current world population 3 times over, but most of it is wasted due to greed in affluent countries or lack of suitable storage facilities in undeveloped countries. Many farmers in Australia are struggling to make enough money to pay their expenses these days, so why do they think we can produce more if the market is not there?

I’m not sure that it’s greed in this instance. We waste because of fussiness – everything must be perfect.
In achieving perfection the producers have disabled the ‘taste’ button. So we have perfect-looking produce but no taste and everything that’s not perfect looking is chucked out!.

We am struggling to preserve or giveaway my garden excess. Beans, olives and toms are easy to preserve but what do you do with 100’s of – figs, lemon verbena leaves, cueys, eggplant, citrus etc?

Sometimes I wonder if the fussiness is not driven by the supermarkets. I never asked for a perfect looking but tasteless tomato! Greed comes into it when farmers have to dump their produce because the big buyers would rather sell less for a higher price than more at a lower one. Why produce more if it is only going to get thrown away?

I should confess that I am inclined to choose the biggest and best of a f&v display at the s’market of the w/e markets in the park.

Dinetta said:

justin said:

…. but what do you do with 100’s of – figs, lemon verbena leaves, cueys, eggplant, citrus etc?

FIGS!! Well there’s fig jam for starters, and you could dry them as well??cueys will convert into a soup (make sure it’s a freeze-able recipe), eggplant can be preserved in oil as roasted, similar to capsicum? citrus – the lemons and limes can be preserved in their own juice plus salt…could you Vacola bottle the mandarin and orange segments?

I say…bread and butter cucumbers. Baba Ganoush and freeze excess. Citrus juice and freeze. What’s the problem?

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

I don’t know if anyone has seen the people’s supermarket stuff from Britain(in TV). He copied it from the USA or Canada where they buy the product that the supermarkets don’t want and incorporate their members into the cooperative so that they not only get buying power but also rebates. Stuff like bent cucumbers.. taste as good or better than what the supermarkets sell but are otherwise thrown away.

It sounds a great idea… prolly “illegal” here because “hygenic” or liable to prosecution by fools who think the purchase of an over-ripe tomato is a suing offence…

Didn’t they used to donate excess from s’markets to soup kitchens, orphanages and any charity that was/is needy? Suppose that’s illegal now too.

justin said:

roughbarked said:

justin said:

compost is the answer – but there is still considerable cost involved – although it is the best last resort.

Cost of composting should be zilch, apart from the work. It creates its own energy if the work is done properly.

i spose if compost sells at a profit you can say that.

Sell your jams and pickles instead of the compost.

bluegreen said:

justin said:

Sometimes I wonder if the fussiness is not driven by the supermarkets. I never asked for a perfect looking but tasteless tomato! Greed comes into it when farmers have to dump their produce because the big buyers would rather sell less for a higher price than more at a lower one. Why produce more if it is only going to get thrown away?

—————————————————————————————————————————

we are fussy – i always sort out the best avocado, celery, zuch – and so does everyone else.
- did you ever get organic produce delivered to your door? that would be an example of not being able to choose the best.

Everyone will buy what looks the best of what is available, but we are also given limited choice as to what is available. I will select undamaged over damaged but cosmetic blemishes don’t bother me. I will buy organic over regular as much as I can, even if the organic is blemished because I know the cost of that unblemished look. But most wouldn’t. And yes, I have had organic produce delivered to my door. Most of my produce shopping was done like that for many years when in Melbourne, even meat direct from the producer for a little while. In the days before the big self-serve supermarkets you would go into the grocery shop and ask for a kilo of whatever and the salesperson would get it for you and you took what you were given. I bet there was less waste then.

I can remember getting a bag of broken biscuits as a gift from our local shop. It happened regularly. I know it was a long time ago but all Arnotts biscuits used to come in large square tins and had to be counted out as bought. Guess how old I am.

pomolo said:

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

I don’t know if anyone has seen the people’s supermarket stuff from Britain(in TV). He copied it from the USA or Canada where they buy the product that the supermarkets don’t want and incorporate their members into the cooperative so that they not only get buying power but also rebates. Stuff like bent cucumbers.. taste as good or better than what the supermarkets sell but are otherwise thrown away.

It sounds a great idea… prolly “illegal” here because “hygenic” or liable to prosecution by fools who think the purchase of an over-ripe tomato is a suing offence…

Didn’t they used to donate excess from s’markets to soup kitchens, orphanages and any charity that was/is needy? Suppose that’s illegal now too.

there are some organisations that do that still.

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

justin said:

possibly i am – but i wouldn’t know it would i?
i was thinking more of the commercial boys like ‘jeffries’ here in adealide. they are marketing the organic compost made from everyone’s green waste.

Buy compost? They know we are stupid.

It’s pretty hard to make your own if you’re a unit dweller in a city, but I think a lot of suburbanites just won’t “have a go”…

If you’re a unit dweller you wouldn’t have much need of compost anyway.

pomolo said:

Didn’t they used to donate excess from s’markets to soup kitchens, orphanages and any charity that was/is needy? Suppose that’s illegal now too.

I think it is, now…pretty sure $$$ has to exchange hands

pomolo said:

I can remember getting a bag of broken biscuits as a gift from our local shop. It happened regularly. I know it was a long time ago but all Arnotts biscuits used to come in large square tins and had to be counted out as bought. Guess how old I am.

Older than me, lol! I do recall a TAFE teacher saying how they used to buy these, heavily discounted, and she reckoned they were The Best…

Dinetta said:

pomolo said:

Didn’t they used to donate excess from s’markets to soup kitchens, orphanages and any charity that was/is needy? Suppose that’s illegal now too.

I think it is, now…pretty sure $$$ has to exchange hands

I was reading something on one such group recently, just can’t remember where! They collect from restaurants, supermarkets, etc. Some exceptions had to be made for them to operate but no money is involved and run by volunteers.

bluegreen said:

I was reading something on one such group recently, just can’t remember where! They collect from restaurants, supermarkets, etc. Some exceptions had to be made for them to operate but no money is involved and run by volunteers.

Good to hear, BlueGreen!

Dinetta said:

bluegreen said:

I was reading something on one such group recently, just can’t remember where! They collect from restaurants, supermarkets, etc. Some exceptions had to be made for them to operate but no money is involved and run by volunteers.

Good to hear, BlueGreen!

Just found the article. It is OzHarvest and the article was in Organic Gardener Magazine. They have just put out a cook book with recipes from celebrated chefs on cooking with “rescued” food.

pomolo said:

Dinetta said:

justin said:

…. but what do you do with 100’s of – figs, lemon verbena leaves, cueys, eggplant, citrus etc?

FIGS!! Well there’s fig jam for starters, and you could dry them as well??cueys will convert into a soup (make sure it’s a freeze-able recipe), eggplant can be preserved in oil as roasted, similar to capsicum? citrus – the lemons and limes can be preserved in their own juice plus salt…could you Vacola bottle the mandarin and orange segments?

I say…bread and butter cucumbers. Baba Ganoush and freeze excess. Citrus juice and freeze. What’s the problem?

thanks for the ideas pomolo.
but
i’ll ask about dill(?) pickles and baba ganoush because i know ms. does them both – however -
frozen eggplant is new to me – but citrus juice i have done, and the navel orange juice lasts a day, even frozen.
i made pure lemon cleaning fluid but its wasn’t popular. I gave away four boxes to the butcher and fishshop where they gave them to the public free. the salvos put a ‘lemons wanted’ sign out and take it down by the next day because they get swamped.
this year i’ll made limoncello, limencello, orangello and mandarello from the peel.

all preserving ideas are much appreciated.

80% of the world’s waste comes from 10% of the world’s population.

painmaster said:

80% of the world’s waste comes from 10% of the world’s population.

Well I’m not part of the 10% I hope…

painmaster said:

80% of the world’s waste comes from 10% of the world’s population.

Restaurants I’m guessing. Nothings wasted here.

Dinetta said:

painmaster said:

80% of the world’s waste comes from 10% of the world’s population.

Well I’m not part of the 10% I hope…

ummm ‘fraid so. (and I am being generic)

Happy Potter said:

painmaster said:

80% of the world’s waste comes from 10% of the world’s population.

Restaurants I’m guessing. Nothings wasted here.

I’m not talking just food. I mean waste.

painmaster said:

Dinetta said:

painmaster said:

80% of the world’s waste comes from 10% of the world’s population.

Well I’m not part of the 10% I hope…

ummm ‘fraid so. (and I am being generic)

Yes I know you are and I know I am…but I was trying to get a bit of extra exposition on the 10%… :P

painmaster said:

Happy Potter said:

painmaster said:

80% of the world’s waste comes from 10% of the world’s population.

Restaurants I’m guessing. Nothings wasted here.

I’m not talking just food. I mean waste.

I feel wasteful throwing out plastic bags. I try to re-use my bought shopping bags and also use cardboard boxes for fruit etc, but sometimes I forget to take them…the packaging on things is unbelievable…

however – frozen eggplant is new to me

I meant, freeze the Baba Ganoush. I keep some in my freezer in case………

painmaster said:

Happy Potter said:

painmaster said:

80% of the world’s waste comes from 10% of the world’s population.

Restaurants I’m guessing. Nothings wasted here.

I’m not talking just food. I mean waste.

Ok. I thought the topic was the subject of the statment. Then I’m a waster too I suppose.

Dinetta said:

painmaster said:

Happy Potter said:

Restaurants I’m guessing. Nothings wasted here.

I’m not talking just food. I mean waste.

I feel wasteful throwing out plastic bags. I try to re-use my bought shopping bags and also use cardboard boxes for fruit etc, but sometimes I forget to take them…the packaging on things is unbelievable…

Packaging, or overpackaging is ridiculous. I have emailed so and so to ask can they dull down their uber shiny packaging so it can be recycled.. no replies.

Happy Potter said:

Dinetta said:

painmaster said:

I’m not talking just food. I mean waste.

I feel wasteful throwing out plastic bags. I try to re-use my bought shopping bags and also use cardboard boxes for fruit etc, but sometimes I forget to take them…the packaging on things is unbelievable…

do other states have the reusable shopping bags? s.a. supermarts aren’t allowed to pack purchases into plastic anymore.
and IGA here gives away cardboard packing boxes like B.

Packaging, or overpackaging is ridiculous. I have emailed so and so to ask can they dull down their uber shiny packaging so it can be recycled.. no replies.

justin said:

Happy Potter said:

Dinetta said:

I feel wasteful throwing out plastic bags. I try to re-use my bought shopping bags and also use cardboard boxes for fruit etc, but sometimes I forget to take them…the packaging on things is unbelievable…

Packaging, or overpackaging is ridiculous. I have emailed so and so to ask can they dull down their uber shiny packaging so it can be recycled.. no replies.

do other states have the reusable shopping bags? s.a. supermarts aren’t allowed to pack purchases into plastic anymore.
and IGA here gives away cardboard packing boxes like B.

In Vic we have reusable bags, but if you don’t have them you get plastic as usual. I got charged $0.20 for a plastic bag from Target Country though, only she didn’t tell me I was going to get charged when she asked me if I wanted one! I don’t normally but the articles I bought warranted one, I thought.

bluegreen said:

justin said:

Happy Potter said:

Packaging, or overpackaging is ridiculous. I have emailed so and so to ask can they dull down their uber shiny packaging so it can be recycled.. no replies.

do other states have the reusable shopping bags? s.a. supermarts aren’t allowed to pack purchases into plastic anymore.
and IGA here gives away cardboard packing boxes like B.

In Vic we have reusable bags, but if you don’t have them you get plastic as usual. I got charged $0.20 for a plastic bag from Target Country though, only she didn’t tell me I was going to get charged when she asked me if I wanted one! I don’t normally but the articles I bought warranted one, I thought.

‘reuse’ is a good cause. instead of cling wrap ms.j. has some shower-cap-like covers to go over food stored in the fridge. they get washed but you do save a lot of cling wrap.

justin said:

bluegreen said:

justin said:

do other states have the reusable shopping bags? s.a. supermarts aren’t allowed to pack purchases into plastic anymore.
and IGA here gives away cardboard packing boxes like B.

In Vic we have reusable bags, but if you don’t have them you get plastic as usual. I got charged $0.20 for a plastic bag from Target Country though, only she didn’t tell me I was going to get charged when she asked me if I wanted one! I don’t normally but the articles I bought warranted one, I thought.

‘reuse’ is a good cause. instead of cling wrap ms.j. has some shower-cap-like covers to go over food stored in the fridge. they get washed but you do save a lot of cling wrap.

I find that the plastic bags you get from the supermarkets these days, both the small bags for the produce and larger grocery bags are so flimsy that they have little reuse value. On the other hand the grocery store I go to when I can have stronger plastic bags for the produce and I get several uses out of them. Those covers are a good idea, and I use one over the tin of olive oil too to keep the top clean of dust etc. I also have a number of lidded plastic containers for storing stuff in the fridge so have very little use for cling wrap.

bluegreen said:

justin said:

Happy Potter said:

Packaging, or overpackaging is ridiculous. I have emailed so and so to ask can they dull down their uber shiny packaging so it can be recycled.. no replies.

do other states have the reusable shopping bags? s.a. supermarts aren’t allowed to pack purchases into plastic anymore.
and IGA here gives away cardboard packing boxes like B.

In Vic we have reusable bags, but if you don’t have them you get plastic as usual. I got charged $0.20 for a plastic bag from Target Country though, only she didn’t tell me I was going to get charged when she asked me if I wanted one! I don’t normally but the articles I bought warranted one, I thought.

I can understand that. I have been charged for one at Best and Less here. They kinda have you over a barrel because you feel a bit of a dill walking down the street with new nickers and bra in your hand, lol.
Now I have a folding carry all in my handbag. Given to me by a friend who also hates getting charged for a plastic bag. Either way, what the stores are promoting, it’s working.

bluegreen said:

justin said:

bluegreen said:

In Vic we have reusable bags, but if you don’t have them you get plastic as usual. I got charged $0.20 for a plastic bag from Target Country though, only she didn’t tell me I was going to get charged when she asked me if I wanted one! I don’t normally but the articles I bought warranted one, I thought.

‘reuse’ is a good cause. instead of cling wrap ms.j. has some shower-cap-like covers to go over food stored in the fridge. they get washed but you do save a lot of cling wrap.

I find that the plastic bags you get from the supermarkets these days, both the small bags for the produce and larger grocery bags are so flimsy that they have little reuse value. On the other hand the grocery store I go to when I can have stronger plastic bags for the produce and I get several uses out of them. Those covers are a good idea, and I use one over the tin of olive oil too to keep the top clean of dust etc. I also have a number of lidded plastic containers for storing stuff in the fridge so have very little use for cling wrap.

OMG! I must be a bad person. We use heaps of cling film here.

pomolo said:

bluegreen said:

justin said:

‘reuse’ is a good cause. instead of cling wrap ms.j. has some shower-cap-like covers to go over food stored in the fridge. they get washed but you do save a lot of cling wrap.

I find that the plastic bags you get from the supermarkets these days, both the small bags for the produce and larger grocery bags are so flimsy that they have little reuse value. On the other hand the grocery store I go to when I can have stronger plastic bags for the produce and I get several uses out of them. Those covers are a good idea, and I use one over the tin of olive oil too to keep the top clean of dust etc. I also have a number of lidded plastic containers for storing stuff in the fridge so have very little use for cling wrap.

OMG! I must be a bad person. We use heaps of cling film here.

it’s a new innovation here and we still use cling wrap. in s.a. there are these cloth shopping bags sold for $1 – i keep 6 of them in my car.
i have taken to the carwash too. for about $4 i get a soapy brush and high pressure rinse (all water recycled). ….and now i carry a ‘microfibre’ rag in the car because the new ‘chamois’ doesn’t dry the glass like the old chamois did…

justin said:

pomolo said:

bluegreen said:

I find that the plastic bags you get from the supermarkets these days, both the small bags for the produce and larger grocery bags are so flimsy that they have little reuse value. On the other hand the grocery store I go to when I can have stronger plastic bags for the produce and I get several uses out of them. Those covers are a good idea, and I use one over the tin of olive oil too to keep the top clean of dust etc. I also have a number of lidded plastic containers for storing stuff in the fridge so have very little use for cling wrap.

OMG! I must be a bad person. We use heaps of cling film here.

it’s a new innovation here and we still use cling wrap. in s.a. there are these cloth shopping bags sold for $1 – i keep 6 of them in my car.
i have taken to the carwash too. for about $4 i get a soapy brush and high pressure rinse (all water recycled). ….and now i carry a ‘microfibre’ rag in the car because the new ‘chamois’ doesn’t dry the glass like the old chamois did…

I agree about the new type of chamois. Mass produced and nearly useless.

justin said:

Happy Potter said:

Dinetta said:

I feel wasteful throwing out plastic bags. I try to re-use my bought shopping bags and also use cardboard boxes for fruit etc, but sometimes I forget to take them…the packaging on things is unbelievable…

Packaging, or overpackaging is ridiculous. I have emailed so and so to ask can they dull down their uber shiny packaging so it can be recycled.. no replies.

do other states have the reusable shopping bags? s.a. supermarts aren’t allowed to pack purchases into plastic anymore.
and IGA here gives away cardboard packing boxes like B.

The IGA is happy to give away boxes here, also a lot of the country people use them to pack groceries for the ride home…

Be a lot of stunned mullet impersonations running around here if the ubiqitous (F7 and I hope I’ve used it correctly) plastic shopping bag was removed from the checkouts…

bluegreen said:

I got charged $0.20 for a plastic bag from Target Country though, only she didn’t tell me I was going to get charged when she asked me if I wanted one! I don’t normally but the articles I bought warranted one, I thought.

Thanks for that heads-up…

justin said:

‘reuse’ is a good cause. instead of cling wrap ms.j. has some shower-cap-like covers to go over food stored in the fridge. they get washed but you do save a lot of cling wrap.

We bought a complete set of lids for the cans once, they lasted until lost (thanks Mum) but were egg-sellent for their purpose and as you say, saved a lot of cling wrap. I often put wet tea-towels over the salads and meats containers if I can’t find the lids…sometimes you forget what’s there but they do keep…

justin said:

I have taken to the carwash too. for about $4 i get a soapy brush and high pressure rinse (all water recycled). ….and now i carry a ‘microfibre’ rag in the car because the new ‘chamois’ doesn’t dry the glass like the old chamois did…

I miss the car wash here…where I was, it was recycled water also and they have 2 “car spas” …so I have to wash the car myself (but I don’t…it’s the Wet season after all) and the range of car wash products is severely limited…and confusing…

pomolo said:

I agree about the new type of chamois. Mass produced and nearly useless.

They’re not even chamois. Can still remember the “real thing” and how it had to be kept clean and damp…

Dinetta said:

justin said:

Happy Potter said:

Packaging, or overpackaging is ridiculous. I have emailed so and so to ask can they dull down their uber shiny packaging so it can be recycled.. no replies.

do other states have the reusable shopping bags? s.a. supermarts aren’t allowed to pack purchases into plastic anymore.
and IGA here gives away cardboard packing boxes like B.

The IGA is happy to give away boxes here, also a lot of the country people use them to pack groceries for the ride home…

Be a lot of stunned mullet impersonations running around here if the ubiqitous (F7 and I hope I’ve used it correctly) plastic shopping bag was removed from the checkouts…

yes i mainly shop IGA and use cardboard boxes (those boxes get recycled or used in other projects), and i also avoid the plastic bags in the fruit/veg section, maybe using a paper bag for mushrooms or grapes, as well as the plastic shopping bags. I do have my own shopping bags.

thing is, if we go shopping without a shopping bag, what do we expect to put our shopping in? Years ago this was the norm and the shopkeeper (four square store) would supply a paper bag if shoppers were forgetting their shopping bags. This is what wee need to get back to. Ban the bag !!! :)

Dinetta said:

pomolo said:

I agree about the new type of chamois. Mass produced and nearly useless.

They’re not even chamois. Can still remember the “real thing” and how it had to be kept clean and damp…

the real chamois was leather – from the skin of the Chamois goat-antelope which was renowned for the soft leather it made. These days they are synthetic or made from the hides of other animals.

this is the bottom of the cockies cage. they waste about 80% of their food because they never come down off their perches and they spill the grain as they eat from their hanging food bowls.
there are mice beginning to appear again so i am transferring this discarded food to the chook run. chookies very happy.
i presume this is part of nature and ground dwelling creatures are spose to clean up what falls from above.
i therefore conclude that other animals are spose to clean up our waste food. chooks, pigs, goats would not suffer any ill effects from eating our food scraps as far as i know.

justin said:

this is the bottom of the cockies cage. they waste about 80% of their food because they never come down off their perches and they spill the grain as they eat from their hanging food bowls.
there are mice beginning to appear again so i am transferring this discarded food to the chook run. chookies very happy.
i presume this is part of nature and ground dwelling creatures are spose to clean up what falls from above.
i therefore conclude that other animals are spose to clean up our waste food. chooks, pigs, goats would not suffer any ill effects from eating our food scraps as far as i know.

justin said:

this is the bottom of the cockies cage. they waste about 80% of their food because they never come down off their perches and they spill the grain as they eat from their hanging food bowls.
there are mice beginning to appear again so i am transferring this discarded food to the chook run. chookies very happy.
i presume this is part of nature and ground dwelling creatures are spose to clean up what falls from above.
i therefore conclude that other animals are spose to clean up our waste food. chooks, pigs, goats would not suffer any ill effects from eating our food scraps as far as i know.

oops.

You spoil your birds.. I toss the food on the floor so they have to go down and get it or go hungry.

roughbarked said:

justin said:

this is the bottom of the cockies cage. they waste about 80% of their food because they never come down off their perches and they spill the grain as they eat from their hanging food bowls.
there are mice beginning to appear again so i am transferring this discarded food to the chook run. chookies very happy.
i presume this is part of nature and ground dwelling creatures are spose to clean up what falls from above.
i therefore conclude that other animals are spose to clean up our waste food. chooks, pigs, goats would not suffer any ill effects from eating our food scraps as far as i know.

oops. You spoil your birds.. I toss the food on the floor so they have to go down and get it or go hungry.

these are injured birds (with broken wings) that we are pampering – er – i mean looking after.
you are right about the overfeeding of course. nonetheless – if fruit was in surplus – they would spill most of it to the ground.

justin said:

this is the bottom of the cockies cage. they waste about 80% of their food because they never come down off their perches and they spill the grain as they eat from their hanging food bowls.
there are mice beginning to appear again so i am transferring this discarded food to the chook run. chookies very happy.
i presume this is part of nature and ground dwelling creatures are spose to clean up what falls from above.
i therefore conclude that other animals are spose to clean up our waste food. chooks, pigs, goats would not suffer any ill effects from eating our food scraps as far as i know.

I was reading Ridleys last night, they supply the Barastoc feed that I buy…I’m sure that, for the home chicken run, if every thing was so sterile as they say it should be, it’s no wonder chookens succumb to infections, etc.

With the excess feed or feed that falls to the ground, this is cleaned up for me by the pink galahs, the sulphur crest parrots, the happy family birds and the little corellas…but I’m trying to encourage the hens to eat as much of the commercial mix as possible as otherwise they’re just eating the cracked corn and the sunflower seeds, as near as I can tell…

Today is the day, it’s not so hot, so I am cleaning out under the roost. When Dad made that pen he put concrete slabs under the roosts…Might have to store the rakings in a plastic bag for a while, as they’re a bit strong. Really need a small compost bin…

Did you see the article under the original link, where it looks like our frozen food comes from NZ but in actual fact it’s from China, and possibly grown under conditions that Australian Farmers would not be allowed to get away with?

roughbarked said:

oops.

You spoil your birds.. I toss the food on the floor so they have to go down and get it or go hungry.

Come to think of it, that’s what the wild life does here…

justin said:

roughbarked said:

justin said:

this is the bottom of the cockies cage. they waste about 80% of their food because they never come down off their perches and they spill the grain as they eat from their hanging food bowls.
there are mice beginning to appear again so i am transferring this discarded food to the chook run. chookies very happy.
i presume this is part of nature and ground dwelling creatures are spose to clean up what falls from above.
i therefore conclude that other animals are spose to clean up our waste food. chooks, pigs, goats would not suffer any ill effects from eating our food scraps as far as i know.

oops. You spoil your birds.. I toss the food on the floor so they have to go down and get it or go hungry.

these are injured birds (with broken wings) that we are pampering – er – i mean looking after.
you are right about the overfeeding of course. nonetheless – if fruit was in surplus – they would spill most of it to the ground.

I’ve oft postulated that many difficult to germinate seeds are assisted by parrots cracking the hard shells and dropped to the ground without damaging the kernel..

Mallee ring necked parrots are out there taking all my almonds.. luckily they do drop some for me.

roughbarked said:

I’ve oft postulated that many difficult to germinate seeds are assisted by parrots cracking the hard shells and dropped to the ground without damaging the kernel..

Sounds feasible…

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve oft postulated that many difficult to germinate seeds are assisted by parrots cracking the hard shells and dropped to the ground without damaging the kernel..

Sounds feasible…

It works when I crack the shell without harming the kernel.. and I’ve seen a lot of the same dropped by birds. Other birds such as crows carry the seeds off elsewhere. Emus and cassowary drop the seed from the other end..

justin said:

i therefore conclude that other animals are spose to clean up our waste food. chooks, pigs, goats would not suffer any ill effects from eating our food scraps as far as i know.

indeed, but a lot does end out as landfill and perfectly edible fruit gets plowed back into the ground – which is a good use but we are talking prime quality fruit!

Thousands of tonnes of peaches to rot on ground

bluegreen said:

justin said:

i therefore conclude that other animals are spose to clean up our waste food. chooks, pigs, goats would not suffer any ill effects from eating our food scraps as far as i know.

indeed, but a lot does end out as landfill and perfectly edible fruit gets plowed back into the ground – which is a good use but we are talking prime quality fruit!

Thousands of tonnes of peaches to rot on ground

fruit fly heaven.

Dinetta said:

Did you see the article under the original link, where it looks like our frozen food comes from NZ but in actual fact it’s from China, and possibly grown under conditions that Australian Farmers would not be allowed to get away with?

I have heard that NZ imports food and cans it and then labels as product of NZ and gets away with it because of some loophole.

bluegreen said:

Dinetta said:

Did you see the article under the original link, where it looks like our frozen food comes from NZ but in actual fact it’s from China, and possibly grown under conditions that Australian Farmers would not be allowed to get away with?

I have heard that NZ imports food and cans it and then labels as product of NZ and gets away with it because of some loophole.

Companies can get away with a lot of stuff because they can afford lawyers.. or the proper term.. solicitors.

bluegreen said:

justin said:

i therefore conclude that other animals are spose to clean up our waste food. chooks, pigs, goats would not suffer any ill effects from eating our food scraps as far as i know.

indeed, but a lot does end out as landfill and perfectly edible fruit gets plowed back into the ground – which is a good use but we are talking prime quality fruit!

Thousands of tonnes of peaches to rot on ground

I saw that too, and I read on fb where some dairy farmers south of Gladstone have had to pour 12,000 litres of milk into Awoonga Dam because the pick-up trucks can’t get through…

Dinetta said:

bluegreen said:

justin said:

i therefore conclude that other animals are spose to clean up our waste food. chooks, pigs, goats would not suffer any ill effects from eating our food scraps as far as i know.

indeed, but a lot does end out as landfill and perfectly edible fruit gets plowed back into the ground – which is a good use but we are talking prime quality fruit!

Thousands of tonnes of peaches to rot on ground

I saw that too, and I read on fb where some dairy farmers south of Gladstone have had to pour 12,000 litres of milk into Awoonga Dam because the pick-up trucks can’t get through…

OK. I bought this 7/16th of an acre(1661 sq m) in 1979. I planted fruit trees started fencing it and dumping organic wastes here. By 1983 I was burying tonnes of fruit I couldn’t process, sell or give away.

roughbarked said:

Dinetta said:

bluegreen said:

indeed, but a lot does end out as landfill and perfectly edible fruit gets plowed back into the ground – which is a good use but we are talking prime quality fruit!

Thousands of tonnes of peaches to rot on ground

I saw that too, and I read on fb where some dairy farmers south of Gladstone have had to pour 12,000 litres of milk into Awoonga Dam because the pick-up trucks can’t get through…

OK. I bought this 7/16th of an acre(1661 sq m) in 1979. I planted fruit trees started fencing it and dumping organic wastes here. By 1983 I was burying tonnes of fruit I couldn’t process, sell or give away.

In 2013, I cannot afford to buy water at the price it costs. I’ve removed all but a few fruit trees.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

OK. I bought this 7/16th of an acre(1661 sq m) in 1979. I planted fruit trees started fencing it and dumping organic wastes here. By 1983 I was burying tonnes of fruit I couldn’t process, sell or give away.

In 2013, I cannot afford to buy water at the price it costs. I’ve removed all but a few fruit trees.

That is such a shame. When I’m buying tins, I’m not sure if I’m supporting the local growers or not. This is SPC and Ardmona. I would spend extra if I thought it was all Australian produce, even if the company is owned by USA these days…

The words “…and imported” make me shudder…

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

OK. I bought this 7/16th of an acre(1661 sq m) in 1979. I planted fruit trees started fencing it and dumping organic wastes here. By 1983 I was burying tonnes of fruit I couldn’t process, sell or give away.

In 2013, I cannot afford to buy water at the price it costs. I’ve removed all but a few fruit trees.

That is such a shame. When I’m buying tins, I’m not sure if I’m supporting the local growers or not. This is SPC and Ardmona. I would spend extra if I thought it was all Australian produce, even if the company is owned by USA these days…

The words “…and imported” make me shudder…

The concept of economy is awry.

I knew that in what was 5th form at school in those days.. think they call it year 11 now. I was suddenly given economics as a subject and I walked out after the first lesson and went to the snooker parlor during all economics classes .. as how far can you stretch or modify the figures on supply and demand?

One big problem nobody recognises.. is not how much water it costs to produce a pumpkin or a cow or a kilo of rice.. but how much water we export in every bottle of wine or sugar plum.

i think we should build more underground cellars. they keep a constant 22 degrees (say), without refridgeration, and are marvellous for wine, meats and root veges.
they are great for maturing cheeses and would be ideal summer meeting places.

justin said:

i think we should build more underground cellars. they keep a constant 22 degrees (say), without refridgeration, and are marvellous for wine, meats and root veges.
they are great for maturing cheeses and would be ideal summer meeting places.

I’d meet you there if you had wine and cheese.

pomolo said:

justin said:

i think we should build more underground cellars. they keep a constant 22 degrees (say), without refridgeration, and are marvellous for wine, meats and root veges.
they are great for maturing cheeses and would be ideal summer meeting places.

I’d meet you there if you had wine and cheese.

I’ve got stacks of underground cellars. In the opal fields. Hand dug by myself.

pomolo said:

justin said:

i think we should build more underground cellars. they keep a constant 22 degrees (say), without refridgeration, and are marvellous for wine, meats and root veges.
they are great for maturing cheeses and would be ideal summer meeting places.

I’d meet you there if you had wine and cheese.

i have made wine – jerusalem artichoke, strawberry wine, orange melomel but alas- we don’t have a cow.
the cellar has various brews including ciders and we usually have bagged spuds, melons and onions down there – but boohoo – no cheeses yet.

roughbarked said:

pomolo said:

justin said:

i think we should build more underground cellars. they keep a constant 22 degrees (say), without refridgeration, and are marvellous for wine, meats and root veges.
they are great for maturing cheeses and would be ideal summer meeting places.

I’d meet you there if you had wine and cheese.

I’ve got stacks of underground cellars. In the opal fields. Hand dug by myself.

an average rich person’s cellar has 60 dozen bottles i am told. a headheight cellar measuring 3mx2m would easily hold 100 doz bottles.
so – if you could approach a wine club offering long-term cellaring – get some sort of official accreditation – and divvy the diggings into secured 6 sq.m. cells
you would have a silent earner.
(just a pity about the location).

justin said:

pomolo said:

justin said:

i think we should build more underground cellars. they keep a constant 22 degrees (say), without refridgeration, and are marvellous for wine, meats and root veges.
they are great for maturing cheeses and would be ideal summer meeting places.

I’d meet you there if you had wine and cheese.

i have made wine – jerusalem artichoke, strawberry wine, orange melomel but alas- we don’t have a cow.
the cellar has various brews including ciders and we usually have bagged spuds, melons and onions down there – but boohoo – no cheeses yet.

Milking goats? :)

justin said:

i think we should build more underground cellars. they keep a constant 22 degrees (say), without refridgeration, and are marvellous for wine, meats and root veges.
they are great for maturing cheeses and would be ideal summer meeting places.

…especially as yards are getting smaller (no trees) and public liability insurance is getting rid of trees elsewhere…

Would those cellars work up here?

pomolo said:

justin said:

i think we should build more underground cellars. they keep a constant 22 degrees (say), without refridgeration, and are marvellous for wine, meats and root veges.
they are great for maturing cheeses and would be ideal summer meeting places.

I’d meet you there if you had wine and cheese.

Now that’s an idea…

roughbarked said:

I’ve got stacks of underground cellars. In the opal fields. Hand dug by myself.

Are they suitable for the storage of root vegetables in the height of summer?

justin said:

pomolo said:

i have made wine – jerusalem artichoke, strawberry wine, orange melomel but alas- we don’t have a cow.
the cellar has various brews including ciders and we usually have bagged spuds, melons and onions down there – but boohoo – no cheeses yet.

We’ll bring our own cheeses…you could have a goat?

Dinetta said:

justin said:

i think we should build more underground cellars. they keep a constant 22 degrees (say), without refridgeration, and are marvellous for wine, meats and root veges.
they are great for maturing cheeses and would be ideal summer meeting places.

…especially as yards are getting smaller (no trees) and public liability insurance is getting rid of trees elsewhere…

Would those cellars work up here?

the sun would not get on the walls or roof and hot air rises – so they should work – just keep it out of the floodplains.
i know that wine buffs in darwin build a temperature controllled (read aircon) room for their wine . the bloke who owned it said it was about 2mx3m glass walled cool room.
these are very exxy to build and run.

Dinetta said:

justin said:

pomolo said:

i have made wine – jerusalem artichoke, strawberry wine, orange melomel but alas- we don’t have a cow.
the cellar has various brews including ciders and we usually have bagged spuds, melons and onions down there – but boohoo – no cheeses yet.

We’ll bring our own cheeses…you could have a goat?

i would need fences – similar problem to your chookens.

justin said:

the sun would not get on the walls or roof and hot air rises – so they should work – just keep it out of the floodplains.
i know that wine buffs in darwin build a temperature controllled (read aircon) room for their wine . the bloke who owned it said it was about 2mx3m glass walled cool room.
these are very exxy to build and run.

True, air circulation is the thing … I was told that air conditioned wine cellars spoil wine as they’re not meant to be kept chilled for years? You’d want to be keen to have one of these…glass walled?!?!?!?

justin said:

Dinetta said:

justin said:

pomolo said:

i have made wine – jerusalem artichoke, strawberry wine, orange melomel but alas- we don’t have a cow.
the cellar has various brews including ciders and we usually have bagged spuds, melons and onions down there – but boohoo – no cheeses yet.

We’ll bring our own cheeses…you could have a goat?

i would need fences – similar problem to your chookens.

Electric fences keep a lot of 4 leggers right where they’re meant to be…the outlay can be costly but you can leave the equipment in your will, and I only ever knew one horse who outwitted an electric fence (Boolahroo Gambler, we miss you)

justin said:

pomolo said:

justin said:

i think we should build more underground cellars. they keep a constant 22 degrees (say), without refridgeration, and are marvellous for wine, meats and root veges.
they are great for maturing cheeses and would be ideal summer meeting places.

I’d meet you there if you had wine and cheese.

i have made wine – jerusalem artichoke, strawberry wine, orange melomel but alas- we don’t have a cow.
the cellar has various brews including ciders and we usually have bagged spuds, melons and onions down there – but boohoo – no cheeses yet.

That’s it then! I just can’t make it if there is no cheese. Can’t you whip some up in your spare time? lol.

Shame

Dinetta said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve got stacks of underground cellars. In the opal fields. Hand dug by myself.

Are they suitable for the storage of root vegetables in the height of summer?

Suitable for lots of things. It is more that the location is as Justin said.. a little remote.

Kind of relevant but not exactly Food in Australia.

RoughBarked, I think it will download OK for you…

Dinetta said:

Kind of relevant but not exactly Food in Australia.

RoughBarked, I think it will download OK for you…

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pomolo said:

Dinetta said:

Kind of relevant but not exactly Food in Australia.

RoughBarked, I think it will download OK for you…

I’ve seen something like that before. Makes you think a bit.

I found it fascinating…nearly all the photos have bananas in them too, did you notice?