http://www.abcforums.com/announcement.php?f=2

oh that

Batten the hatches, stock the tinned salmon, pass the ammunition…

Zombies are comin’

Goodbye petrol sniffers
Though I hardly knew you at all
You had big shoes to fill
When the old SSSF died
They dug you out of the woodwork
And they gave you a fresh new look
They set you on the treadmill
When they set you up on a new server

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing who was gonna save you
When the nutters set in
And I would have liked to have known you
But I was just a stupid tard
Your candle burned out long before
Your legend ever did

Divine Angel said:

Goodbye petrol sniffers
Though I hardly knew you at all
You had big shoes to fill
When the old SSSF died
They dug you out of the woodwork
And they gave you a fresh new look
They set you on the treadmill
When they set you up on a new server

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing who was gonna save you
When the nutters set in
And I would have liked to have known you
But I was just a stupid tard
Your candle burned out long before
Your legend ever did

that’s beautiful.

Skeptic Pete said:

Divine Angel said:

Goodbye petrol sniffers
Though I hardly knew you at all
You had big shoes to fill
When the old SSSF died
They dug you out of the woodwork
And they gave you a fresh new look
They set you on the treadmill
When they set you up on a new server

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing who was gonna save you
When the nutters set in
And I would have liked to have known you
But I was just a stupid tard
Your candle burned out long before
Your legend ever did

that’s beautiful.

*lights match *

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Batten the hatches, stock the tinned salmon, pass the ammunition…

Zombies are comin’

Roger

Hey maybe we could offer them an ordinariate.

Ha, as predicted. And as another prediction the ABC will in 5 years resurrect its single most popular forum but not in VBT format and it will sink slowly with none of the management managing to fathom why.

Skunkworks said:

Ha, as predicted. And as another prediction the ABC will in 5 years resurrect its single most popular forum but not in VBT format and it will sink slowly with none of the management managing to fathom why.

.

Quite possibly.

Michael V said:

Skunkworks said:

Ha, as predicted. And as another prediction the ABC will in 5 years resurrect its single most popular forum but not in VBT format and it will sink slowly with none of the management managing to fathom why.

.

Quite possibly.

It seems to me to be a delicate balance. You need a core of quick witted or interesting individuals to make VBT format work otherwise it is boring and no pint looking in, but if it gets too popular it becomes overwhelming. A political site I go to is normal format but such is its volume it is hard to keep up with and posts end up being mini essays on another posters post that only a few seem to follow the evolution of the argument.

Not sure what the best mass for a forum is but I reckon about the same as a small community of humans, maybe from 100 to keep it active and interesting but less than 500 some people can still get a sense of others and remain invested.

Bit like a country cricket or a footy club, really. Or even the local pub.

Out of interest, what does PSF stand for? Pseudo Science Forum?

Wocky said:

Out of interest, what does PSF stand for? Pseudo Science Forum?

.

Perma-temp Science Forum, IIRC

Michael V said:

Wocky said:

Out of interest, what does PSF stand for? Pseudo Science Forum?

.

Perma-temp Science Forum, IIRC

Paint Sniffers’ Forum.

Wocky said:

Out of interest, what does PSF stand for? Pseudo Science Forum?

Sounds better than Petrol Sniffers Forum which I couldn’t understand, it doesn’t seem to be overwhelmingly inhabited with motor sports or automotive fans unless it refers to brain damage from petrol sniffing.

Skunkworks said:

Wocky said:

Out of interest, what does PSF stand for? Pseudo Science Forum?

… Petrol Sniffers Forum it refers to brain damage from petrol sniffing.

Skunkworks said:

Wocky said:

Out of interest, what does PSF stand for? Pseudo Science Forum?

Sounds better than Petrol Sniffers Forum which I couldn’t understand, it doesn’t seem to be overwhelmingly inhabited with motor sports or automotive fans unless it refers to brain damage from petrol sniffing.

It is based on the idea that petrol is a cheap alternative to pricier vices. Hence the ‘Petrol Sniffer’s Forum’.

Never really liked the name myself.

Skunkworks said:

Wocky said:

Out of interest, what does PSF stand for? Pseudo Science Forum?

Sounds better than Petrol Sniffers Forum which I couldn’t understand, it doesn’t seem to be overwhelmingly inhabited with motor sports or automotive fans unless it refers to brain damage from petrol sniffing.

You nailed it man!

My bad. I’m not good with TLI.

poikilotherm said:

Skunkworks said:

Wocky said:

Out of interest, what does PSF stand for? Pseudo Science Forum?

… Petrol Sniffers Forum it refers to brain damage from petrol sniffing.

Well that is not very nice. I am not enamoured with the forum because of some censorship policies that meant BCs incitements could stay in place but robust and accurate responses were cut. Fair enough if that is their thing, I prefer anrgy bargy from both directions, if you want to attract some, then take some. I don’t expect adults to quake at frigging words on a screen. But having said that I salute Nicks good intentions and the majority of the posters are ex SSSF and not I would think brain dead.

Skunkworks said:

poikilotherm said:

Skunkworks said:

… Petrol Sniffers Forum it refers to brain damage from petrol sniffing.

Well that is not very nice. I am not enamoured with the forum because of some censorship policies that meant BCs incitements could stay in place but robust and accurate responses were cut. Fair enough if that is their thing, I prefer anrgy bargy from both directions, if you want to attract some, then take some. I don’t expect adults to quake at frigging words on a screen. But having said that I salute Nicks good intentions and the majority of the posters are ex SSSF and not I would think brain dead.

Do I need to post Flanderereseses good intentions rant?

Skunkworks said:

Wocky said:

Out of interest, what does PSF stand for? Pseudo Science Forum?

Sounds better than Petrol Sniffers Forum which I couldn’t understand, it doesn’t seem to be overwhelmingly inhabited with motor sports or automotive fans unless it refers to brain damage from petrol sniffing.

Somebody once started a car racing related thread there, that wasn’t strictly science. However it was a long thread that generated a lot of conversation/argument.

Skunkworks said:

poikilotherm said:

Skunkworks said:

… Petrol Sniffers Forum it refers to brain damage from petrol sniffing.

Well that is not very nice. I am not enamoured with the forum because of some censorship policies that meant BCs incitements could stay in place but robust and accurate responses were cut. Fair enough if that is their thing, I prefer anrgy bargy from both directions, if you want to attract some, then take some. I don’t expect adults to quake at frigging words on a screen. But having said that I salute Nicks good intentions and the majority of the posters are ex SSSF and not I would think brain dead.

You don’t go there much do you?

jjjust moi said:

Skunkworks said:

poikilotherm said:

Well that is not very nice. I am not enamoured with the forum because of some censorship policies that meant BCs incitements could stay in place but robust and accurate responses were cut. Fair enough if that is their thing, I prefer anrgy bargy from both directions, if you want to attract some, then take some. I don’t expect adults to quake at frigging words on a screen. But having said that I salute Nicks good intentions and the majority of the posters are ex SSSF and not I would think brain dead.

You don’t go there much do you?

You think the majority ar ebrain dead? I check almost daily for interesting threads and posted a few hundred comments. Another turn off is it is a PITA at times to log in and logs me out pretty darn quickly.

OCDC said:

http://www.abcforums.com/announcement.php?f=2

don’t buy into the problem

as far i was concerned the sssf was over the day they stopped all posts

i looked in once and left, it was nothing personal but the dynamic of the forum had been lost due to the format

the moderators would just be people with an axe to grind

Seems everyone had a different explanation for what PSF meant.

Skunkworks said:

You think the majority are brain dead? I check almost daily for interesting threads and posted a few hundred comments. Another turn off is it is a PITA at times to log in and logs me out pretty darn quickly.

As to the second, there’s a “Remember me” checkbox under the login text boxes; if you check that it’ll keep you logged in for longer.

I’m sure they’ll miss me “over there”.

sibeen said:

I’m sure they’ll miss me “over there”.

I’ll miss Tech talk, that is all.

sibeen said:

I’m sure they’ll miss me “over there”.

They should concentrate more on their aim.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

I’m sure they’ll miss me “over there”.

They should concentrate more on their aim.

Accurate aimed section fire should sort him.

There is more discussion about this here than on the forum actually being affected.

Bizarre:

The controversial file-sharing website said it is now operating out of North Korea, after recently being forced out of Sweden. The Pirate Bay said Kim-Jong Un invited the website to North Korea, and the site’s logo, which is a pirate ship, now features the North Korean flag on its sails.

Read more:

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/pirate-bay-claims-it-is-hosting-from-north-korea-20130305-2fi19.html#ixzz2Mf23NGAC

Opps sorry.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bizarre:

The controversial file-sharing website said it is now operating out of North Korea, after recently being forced out of Sweden. The Pirate Bay said Kim-Jong Un invited the website to North Korea, and the site’s logo, which is a pirate ship, now features the North Korean flag on its sails.

Read more:

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/pirate-bay-claims-it-is-hosting-from-north-korea-20130305-2fi19.html#ixzz2Mf23NGAC

cool bananas

i logged in once and have remained logged in ever since at the PSF.

i can’t see it improving over there unless we get an influx of good posters. i go to several science forums around the world and you see the same dozen names. there are also lots of ones who i don’t know. one thing i notice is that there are more questions about science than just cut n paste news items. if there are there is a question with it.

Skunkworks said:

jjjust moi said:

Skunkworks said:

Well that is not very nice. I am not enamoured with the forum because of some censorship policies that meant BCs incitements could stay in place but robust and accurate responses were cut. Fair enough if that is their thing, I prefer anrgy bargy from both directions, if you want to attract some, then take some. I don’t expect adults to quake at frigging words on a screen. But having said that I salute Nicks good intentions and the majority of the posters are ex SSSF and not I would think brain dead.

You don’t go there much do you?

You think the majority ar ebrain dead? I check almost daily for interesting threads and posted a few hundred comments. Another turn off is it is a PITA at times to log in and logs me out pretty darn quickly.

I agree, the new incarnation of the SSSF contains some great science discussion… sure there were some teething issues at the beginning (based mostly around people’s individual interpretations of what is, or isn’t, considered appropriate levels of moderation) but that was to be expected.

It will be a shame if the forum drifts off into obscurity… in the end it may even end up hosted on a private server and acting as a chat room for a two or three dozen like minded individuals… What would that be like I wonder?

OCDC said:

Skeptic Pete said:

Divine Angel said:

Goodbye petrol sniffers
Though I hardly knew you at all
You had big shoes to fill
When the old SSSF died
They dug you out of the woodwork
And they gave you a fresh new look
They set you on the treadmill
When they set you up on a new server

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing who was gonna save you
When the nutters set in
And I would have liked to have known you
But I was just a stupid tard
Your candle burned out long before
Your legend ever did

that’s beautiful.

*lights match *

No! No! There’s petrol fumes in the air!!!

diddly-squat said:

Skunkworks said:

jjjust moi said:

You don’t go there much do you?

You think the majority ar ebrain dead? I check almost daily for interesting threads and posted a few hundred comments. Another turn off is it is a PITA at times to log in and logs me out pretty darn quickly.

I agree, the new incarnation of the SSSF contains some great science discussion… sure there were some teething issues at the beginning (based mostly around people’s individual interpretations of what is, or isn’t, considered appropriate levels of moderation) but that was to be expected.

It will be a shame if the forum drifts off into obscurity… in the end it may even end up hosted on a private server and acting as a chat room for a two or three dozen like minded individuals… What would that be like I wonder?

Have you been to he orange in the dark?

Appropriate moderation was something the abc couldn’t afford to police. Which indeed was a shame but it was really always up to us to moderate ourselves. I tend to think that the abc was always doing that in the past but that too many tried endlessly to push the envelope. If riff raff were to be avoided, the internet should have remained the exclusive realm of the pointy heads?

I initially stopped attending the original abc gardening Australia forum because the moderation was woeful in that it didn’t allow the forum to ebb and flow or otherwise, have life.. The spin off gardening forum that is also hosted by cb88 has no need for moderation and everyone is nice to each other. It is a small club of regulars but indeed people do try to be helpful and friendly.

“vBulletin Message

This board is now closed. A decision will be made early next week as to whether it reopens.”

OCDC said:

“vBulletin Message

This board is now closed. A decision will be made early next week as to whether it reopens.”

Hooly.

That was quick.

Sadly, I can’t say the news disappoints me.

OCDC said:

“vBulletin Message

This board is now closed. A decision will be made early next week as to whether it reopens.”

poikilotherm said:

OCDC said:

“vBulletin Message

This board is now closed. A decision will be made early next week as to whether it reopens.”

+1

That’s appalling, as soon as Knick turned up everything has gone pear shape, and you can’t get any answers out of him.

OCDC said:

“vBulletin Message

This board is now closed. A decision will be made early next week as to whether it reopens.”

That escalated quickly.

Well it’s not good at all, a lot of people have put a lot of effort into PSF and to just turn it off like that is rude and inconsiderate.
Knick has been somewhat of a loose cannon and it would not surprise me if his tenure with the ABC is shakey.

Ok, we can expect a lot of refugees, forum doctors I want you to set up a medical area and nominate people for triage, and a separate quarantine area. Other forumites they will be cold scared and confused so I want blankets and warm clothing ready to go. Set up tent lines, cleaning and toiletry areas. I want all the refugees inducted and IDs taken so we can provide a count and alert the Red Cross. Diviners are needed to find potable water and Kii can man the ovens and get breadbaking going.

>>Ok, we can expect a lot of refugees, forum doctors I want you to set up a medical area and nominate people for triage,

LOL, I’m not touching anyone if they are showing signs of Zarkovia.

The Drawbridge, someone quickly get the drawbridge…and have those bloody ramparts manned; quick you lot, on the double.

Better padlock the drinks cabinet.

sibeen said:

The Drawbridge, someone quickly get the drawbridge…and have those bloody ramparts manned; quick you lot, on the double.

I’ll poison the drinking water…

;-)

Carmen_Sandiego said:

OCDC said:

“vBulletin Message

This board is now closed. A decision will be made early next week as to whether it reopens.”

Hooly.

Should we hold hands and sing something?

I seem to remember Nick insisting that the V-Bulletin option was “your only realistic hope of saving the forum” blah blah blah.

>>Better padlock the drinks cabinet.

I think, when touched as surely we will be, by the better angels of our nature we will offer a helping hand and share the last of our summer wine with our falow forum travellers.

kii said:

Should we hold hands and sing something?

I propose an entirely new song be penned as a tribute.

Something along the lines of ‘Fuck the Lab’ to the tune of Waltzing Matilda.

Bubblecar said:

I seem to remember Nick insisting that the V-Bulletin option was “your only realistic hope of saving the forum” blah blah blah.

Yes, and it worked much better than Mr 88’s.

It may seem a bit “out there” but I reckon BC complained non-stop to the ABC board and their heads exploded.

>I think, when touched as surely we will be, by the better angels of our nature we will offer a helping hand and share the last of our summer wine with our falow forum travellers.

They won’t know how to handle it, after all those cruel months on the wagon.

Who is going to write the obituary?

kii said:

Who is going to write the obituary?

Zarky, of course. Do any of the rest of us have a book in the National Liberry?!?

I think Knick may have ‘left’ the ABC and is clearing his desk, he’s made a lot of waves since he’s been there, this might be his last wave.

…and then the PSF dies :/

They’ll be in here saying cathartically saying fuck and Bunnings for the first few days.

Well, how about tht then. I go ut for half a day, not even to the stupidmarket, and all shit happens.

Geoff D said:

Well, how about tht then. I go ut for half a day, not even to the stupidmarket, and all shit happens.

yes – but imagine what would have happened IF you had gone to the stupidmarket.

neomyrtus_ said:

Geoff D said:

Well, how about tht then. I go ut for half a day, not even to the stupidmarket, and all shit happens.

yes – but imagine what would have happened IF you had gone to the stupidmarket.

I refuse to consider the possibility.

+ Holds up hand to signify ‘Stop’ for the SSSF traffic +

+ Waves other hand in the direction of Orange in the Dark +

http://www.orangeinthedark.com/vbt/left.html

Nothing to see here, people, keep moving along….

Are they all in FB now, all liquored up and brandishing lighted torches and talking about marching to Knicks house with a rope?

Peak Warming Man said:

Are they all in FB now, all liquored up and brandishing lighted torches and talking about marching to Knicks house with a rope?

Nope

Peak Warming Man said:

Are they all in FB now, all liquored up and brandishing lighted torches and talking about marching to Knicks house with a rope?

Nope…planning a midnight supper to celebrate. Bubblecar is cooking.

Peak Warming Man said:

Are they all in FB now, all liquored up and brandishing lighted torches and talking about marching to Knicks house with a rope?

34
Princes Street
Sydney, New South Wales 2060

He’ll be the one shredding documents and burning hard drives.

Maybe someone said FLICK the Lab too often.

OCDC said:

Maybe someone said FLICK the Lab too often.

.

I didn’t register CAPSLOCK “flicker” over there.

I have just spoken to Nick and hopefully we can organise a way to rehouse the forum.

fsm said:

I have just spoken to Nick and hopefully we can organise a way to rehouse the forum.

Why, has it closed down already?

party_pants said:

fsm said:

I have just spoken to Nick and hopefully we can organise a way to rehouse the forum.

Why, has it closed down already?

Yep. Borked. Maggoted. Dead As.

Don’t let Geoff out the door again….

fsm said:

I have just spoken to Nick and hopefully we can organise a way to rehouse the forum.

I reckon Nick is trying to do a good thing but at the same time my suspicious pragmatic manners makes me wonder why, and whats in it for him? Having said that I have been wrong before and he seems to have been fair dinkum so far.

Geoff D said:

party_pants said:

fsm said:

I have just spoken to Nick and hopefully we can organise a way to rehouse the forum.

Why, has it closed down already?

Yep. Borked. Maggoted. Dead As.

Wow. Bugger me gently with a cake-fork. I thought there was just a discussion about it.

Bubblecar said:

I seem to remember Nick insisting that the V-Bulletin option was “your only realistic hope of saving the forum” blah blah blah.

He could have chosen SimpleMachines.org

fsm said:

I have just spoken to Nick and hopefully we can organise a way to rehouse the forum.

Because he was doing such a bang-up job last time?

The thing’s been dead for years. Let it go FFS.

http://www.orangeinthedark.com/vbt/left.html

boy am i glad i’m a regular here and not an illeagle.

hi friends.

sibeen said:

The Drawbridge, someone quickly get the drawbridge…and have those bloody ramparts manned; quick you lot, on the double.

Doesn’t really seem to be a whole lot of point. The “register” link here is dead, so unless they’ve already registered all they can do is read.

Wocky said:

Doesn’t really seem to be a whole lot of point. The “register” link here is dead, so unless they’ve already registered all they can do is read.

You just keep on moving right along there, Pilgrim. The Mods are sitting waiting to approve your membership at the replacement for SSSF:

http://www.orangeinthedark.com/vbt/left.html

Seems like a fairly blunt sort of message. We’ll let you know. You may be just left with nothing.

that’s what i thought morrie. dismissing us like we’re the hired help.

Bugger me.

I just got home, sit down at the computer and find they’ve already pulled the plug.

I don’t know why they botherd with the waring.

why did it shut down?
(I didn’t like the format, haven’t been there for a while. saw this on fb)

I still reckon we should offer “them” an ordinariate.

“A personal ordinariate is a canonical structure within the Catholic Church established in accordance with the apostolic constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus of 4 November 2009”

So they can come and practice their rituals of technical science stuff whilst enjoying the superior faith of us true believers.

>>why did it shut down?

Nick said that the ABC was no longer going to subsidise it, however I don’t think the ABC was subsidising it, I think he was lying.

I thought it was one of those forums that anyone could have for free

purple said:

I thought it was one of those forums that anyone could have for free

It was.

But it was still hosted on the ABC servers.

oh, was it? fair enough then

VBulletin actually isn’t free. Nick said all along thta the ABC wasn’t funding it and that he would fund it in the hope thatthe abc could see their way to pay.. they didn’t.. simple as.. He should have used simplemachines. As I originally suggested. Problems with format and moderation issues would never have arisen.

roughbarked said:

VBulletin actually isn’t free. Nick said all along thta the ABC wasn’t funding it and that he would fund it in the hope thatthe abc could see their way to pay.. they didn’t.. simple as.. He should have used simplemachines. As I originally suggested. Problems with format and moderation issues would never have arisen.

Don’t accuse me of hindsight. It is what I predicted.

Skeptic Pete said:

But it was still hosted on the ABC servers.

Pretty sure it was private:

http://www.abcforums.com/

Registrant:
Sproog Media 34
Princes Street
Sydney, New South Wales 2060
Australia

Domain Name: ABCFORUMS.COM
Created on: 16-Mar-12
Expires on: 16-Mar-13
Last Updated on: 16-Mar-12

Administrative Contact:
Ross, Nick

Sproog Media
34 Princes Street
Sydney, New South Wales 2060
Australia
6-140-611-8911

Sproog Media were previously responsible for a Burlesque industry magazine.

I am astonished the domain was ever allowed to use the ABC logos, as previously discussed here.

roughbarked said:

VBulletin actually isn’t free. Nick said all along thta the ABC wasn’t funding it and that he would fund it in the hope thatthe abc could see their way to pay.. they didn’t.. simple as.. He should have used simplemachines. As I originally suggested. Problems with format and moderation issues would never have arisen.

Or he could’ve taken up the multiple offers to have this format hosted for him. No matter. We won with this, many thanks to 1005 and 88.

OCDC said:

roughbarked said:

VBulletin actually isn’t free. Nick said all along thta the ABC wasn’t funding it and that he would fund it in the hope thatthe abc could see their way to pay.. they didn’t.. simple as.. He should have used simplemachines. As I originally suggested. Problems with format and moderation issues would never have arisen.

Or he could’ve taken up the multiple offers to have this format hosted for him. No matter. We won with this, many thanks to 1005 and 88.

Yep. His choice. He was warned it wouldn’t work. He went with it. Perhaps the ABC were looking for a forum with built in moderation capacities.. Well we all know how that went down.

you can’t say i didn’t try to help.

Seems like someone left the door unlocked. I let myself in and have been looking around but there is nothing to steal…

furious said:

Seems like someone left the door unlocked. I let myself in and have been looking around but there is nothing to steal…

They stole everything last night – also PWM was giving away the china and the toilet paper.

The message over there —>> has changed:

“This board is closed. More information will appear in the coming days.”

furious said:

The message over there —>> has changed:

“This board is closed. More information will appear in the coming days.”

That’s blunt. The whole mess is quite surreal and rude…yes, rude.

The whole mess is quite surreal and rude…yes, rude.

Quite rude indeed especially given the lingering slow death of the original forum which gave people some chance to get their affairs in order…

furious said:

The whole mess is quite surreal and rude…yes, rude.

Quite rude indeed especially given the lingering slow death of the original forum which gave people some chance to get their affairs in order…

Like a bullet to the frontal lobe, it’s lingering…

Like a bullet to the frontal lobe, it’s lingering…

I had my frontal lobe removed before I came around…

Seems like a fairly blunt sort of message. We’ll let you know. You may be just left with nothing.

======================

that’s what i thought morrie. dismissing us like we’re the hired help.

——————————————————————————

It seems that the people who have been there supporting it and moderating and dealing with the daily crap…like jj….have just been kicked to the kerb. Or maybe they knew ahead of time?

This may explain what happened to the Petrol Sniffers Forum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQX8yWwLX2Q

I think calling what has happened as ‘rude’ is a little over the top…

The ABC don’t owe users of the forum anything and let’s face it, it’s their space to do with what they please… cb88 could just as easily pull the plug on this place…

The whole situation seems to me to be as if there was a decision to made somewhere in the ABC that meant they (the ABC) no longer wanted to be associated with the forum (my reckoning is it was most likely due to legal advice). This prompted Nick to an immediate action of closing the place (and probably removing all the branding and links – however it’s interesting that the SSSF link on Dr K’s page is still live and directed at the forum)

To clear things up:

The PSF was closed at the instruction of the ABC, and not Nick. The decision was made as a reaction to the recent hack on the ABC, and they are removing any external sources that have ABC user information.

Source: Nick.

thanks CS… where did you hear that??

I had a feeling it was something along those lines – ie.. eliminating their external exposure…

diddly-squat said:

thanks CS… where did you hear that??

I had a feeling it was something along those lines – ie.. eliminating their external exposure…

I e-mailed him.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

diddly-squat said:

thanks CS… where did you hear that??

I had a feeling it was something along those lines – ie.. eliminating their external exposure…

I e-mailed him.

well that is one way to clear it up…

I find it a real shame actually… the place had, over recent months, actually settled down a lot and was starting to function in a very positive and constructive matter…

>>Doesn’t really seem to be a whole lot of point. The “register” link here is dead, so unless they’ve already registered all they can do is read.

The Register link on this forum has been re-enabled.

I think calling what has happened as ‘rude’ is a little over the top…

They are within their rights to do with it as they please but the way they shut it down was the very definition of rudeness…

there was really too much sport and politics for a science forum.

furious said:

I think calling what has happened as ‘rude’ is a little over the top…

They are within their rights to do with it as they please but the way they shut it down was the very definition of rudeness…

I don’t agree… a decision was made and that decision was final. It’s entirely likely that Nick was instructed not to make comment before a formal statement could be prepared. ABC employees can’t be out just making public statements off their own backs without that statement first being scrutinised.

anyway we have a perfectly good forum at the orange place. seems a shame not to use it. i really can’t see the point in setting up another one.

So, why not say something a bit more informative rather than just stop it dead with little warning?

I didn’t like Nick’s response to many things (that shall not be named)….and this just confirms it.

It’s all too secret squirrelish :/ if the moderators didn’t know.

kii said:

So, why not say something a bit more informative rather than just stop it dead with little warning?

I didn’t like Nick’s response to many things (that shall not be named)….and this just confirms it.

I can’t disagree.

kii said:

So, why not say something a bit more informative rather than just stop it dead with little warning?

I didn’t like Nick’s response to many things (that shall not be named)….and this just confirms it.

because making unchecked public comments on behalf of a national broadcasting network may have legal ramifications

diddly-squat said:

kii said:

So, why not say something a bit more informative rather than just stop it dead with little warning?

I didn’t like Nick’s response to many things (that shall not be named)….and this just confirms it.

because making unchecked public comments on behalf of a national broadcasting network may have legal ramifications

Making a private forum with a national broadcasting network banner may have legal ramifications…

Well, to be fair, the forum was only a lifeboat while they figured out what to do with it and if it was viable to keep going, so we all knew the plug could be pulled at any time.

I assume this has to do with aliens transported here via the meterorite over Russia, but that’s just me.

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

kii said:

So, why not say something a bit more informative rather than just stop it dead with little warning?

I didn’t like Nick’s response to many things (that shall not be named)….and this just confirms it.

because making unchecked public comments on behalf of a national broadcasting network may have legal ramifications

Making a private forum with a national broadcasting network banner may have legal ramifications…

Indeed. The ABC appears to “own” the IP of the PSF, and it cannot be transferred. So even if the users raised enough money to “buy” it, the ABC isn’t selling. The message does say there is a forthcoming announcement, so I am guessing we’ll just have to wait.

My assumption is that it will be mothballed. The ABC don’t want it, and they won’t allow someone else to have it.The users will have to come here, go to the Orange forum, or go elsewhere.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

My assumption is that it will be mothballed. The ABC don’t want it, and they won’t allow someone else to have it.The users will have to come here, go to the Orange forum, or go elsewhere.

That’s what I reckon too.

Dr Karl is so much involved with the ABC as he used to be either.

I dont know, I just don’t know, all I know is that the bloke next to me said that we’re going to a dance bring three and fourpence.

The message does say there is a forthcoming announcement, so I am guessing we’ll just have to wait.

You mean like the public “outing” of the troll? If that is anything to go by, we’ll be waiting a long time…

not… Dr Karl is not involved as much with the ABC these days.

(I can’t type today)

furious said:

The message does say there is a forthcoming announcement, so I am guessing we’ll just have to wait.

You mean like the public “outing” of the troll? If that is anything to go by, we’ll be waiting a long time…

i’d actually forgotten about that ….

how sad is that.

Peak Warming Man said:

I dont know, I just don’t know, all I know is that the bloke next to me said that we’re going to a dance bring three and fourpence.

For a media forum, the communication with the top brass sure has been woefull.

>The ABC don’t owe users of the forum anything and let’s face it, it’s their space to do with what they please…<

True, but the point is, when the original forums were closing, we had both Nick and the ABC insisting that this v-bulletin idea was the only hope for the future of the forums, and continually campaigning against the other options raised by the users themselves. It seems they just couldn’t let us go, even though ABC input into the original forums had always been minimal and fairly reluctant. And nobody had ever heard of “Nick”.

So now you people are on your own, and perhaps a little more willing to admit that being on your own would have been the most sensible idea as soon the ABC signalled they were closing the original forums.

Hehe, we could Occupy this one.

http://www2b.abc.net.au/triplej/morning/drugs/default.htm

Bubblecar said:

>The ABC don’t owe users of the forum anything and let’s face it, it’s their space to do with what they please…<

True, but the point is, when the original forums were closing, we had both Nick and the ABC insisting that this v-bulletin idea was the only hope for the future of the forums, and continually campaigning against the other options raised by the users themselves. It seems they just couldn’t let us go, even though ABC input into the original forums had always been minimal and fairly reluctant. And nobody had ever heard of “Nick”.

So now you people are on your own, and perhaps a little more willing to admit that being on your own would have been the most sensible idea as soon the ABC signalled they were closing the original forums.

what you just said makes no sense what-so-ever

>what you just said makes no sense what-so-ever

?

OK, I assume you weren’t there at the time. But for those of us that were, what I just said is simply an account of what happened.

Bubblecar said:

>what you just said makes no sense what-so-ever

?

OK, I assume you weren’t there at the time. But for those of us that were, what I just said is simply an account of what happened.

Sorry, I meant the second sentence… I don’t think there would be too many people that would suggest that the best thing to do would have been to abandon all hope…

The important thing is, who had the most reptangles?

>Sorry, I meant the second sentence… I don’t think there would be too many people that would suggest that the best thing to do would have been to abandon all hope…

That’s not what I meant. I meant we should have ditched the ABC and their preferred option, and organised our own new forums. Which is presumably what you’re now going to have to do.

Divine Angel said:

The important thing is, who had the most reptangles?

Definitely wasn’t me.

We did- the orange in the dark forums which were started by Squeezy

Bubblecar said:

>Sorry, I meant the second sentence… I don’t think there would be too many people that would suggest that the best thing to do would have been to abandon all hope…

That’s not what I meant. I meant we should have ditched the ABC and their preferred option, and organised our own new forums. Which is presumably what you’re now going to have to do.

or each of us offer the ABC a further 8 cents per day to keep the forums open

well, i got to 11 first. that was the max. it was hard work being good and responsible and i tried to lead from the front. i hope you all were a little inspired.

Divine Angel said:

We did- the orange in the dark forums which were started by Squeezy

yep

Divine Angel said:

We did- the orange in the dark forums which were started by Squeezy

Yes but at the time, we were told that v-bulletin was the only realistic option, and that’s where the science forum went. If people had realised it wouldn’t even last a year, they would have been more inclined to go with HF/OitD options, right from the start, with less fracturing of the original forum population etc.

…anyway, that’s enough “I told you so!” from me, for one day :)

Boris said:

well, i got to 11 first. that was the max. it was hard work being good and responsible and i tried to lead from the front. i hope you all were a little inspired.

I was definitely inspirated.

my work is done then.

hitches tights and flies off into the sunset.

Divine Angel said:

We did- the orange in the dark forums which were started by Squeezy

Long time later.

After Squeezy got the shits with the place.

Better later than never. It would have happened sooner or later.

Can I start a petition for forumers past and present to find out the troll identity?

Can I start a petition for forumers past and present to find out the troll identity?

But we’ve already had the troll ultimatum and that didn’t work either…

Divine Angel said:

Better later than never. It would have happened sooner or later.

Can I start a petition for forumers past and present to find out the troll identity?

I know who it is but there’s no point dragging those problems in here, given that the troll hasn’t bothered us.

jjjust moi said:

Long time later.

After Squeezy got the shits with the place.

I much prefer the holiday forum format. Can’t we just add three more forums to this place?

Can’t we just add three more forums to this place?

Three more?

Bubblecar said:

I know who it is but there’s no point dragging those problems in here, given that the troll hasn’t bothered us.

Not this DOYC business again?

Divine Angel said:

The important thing is, who had the most reptangles?

Nobody reputable!

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bubblecar said:

I know who it is but there’s no point dragging those problems in here, given that the troll hasn’t bothered us.

Not this DOYC business again?

No, ERB emailed me the name and address etc of the troll, some time ago.

furious said:

Can’t we just add three more forums to this place?

Three more?

Or two more if you don’t want a chat forum which is mainly what this current format has turned into.

>Can’t we just add three more forums to this place?

This place is not very stable and seems to slow go all sticky and crashy when the traffic is high.

>This place is not very stable and seems to slow go all sticky and crashy when the traffic is high.

i.e., This place is not very stable and seems to go all slow, sticky and crashy when the traffic is high.

Bubblecar said:

No, ERB emailed me the name and address etc of the troll, some time ago.

Why just you? Were they a previous forumite gone feral?

Witty Rejoinder said:

furious said:

Can’t we just add three more forums to this place?

Three more?

Or two more if you don’t want a chat forum which is mainly what this current format has turned into.

So back to the old format just with different titles?

Well we don’t need names and addresses, just a handle will do.

I’d have to find the email, which would take ages. I think it was a poster-gone-feral, but not one I’d interacted with much at all, so I can’t remember the handle offhand.

I got that email too, but it turns out it was ERB trying to lead a false trail away from HIMSELF.

Peak Warming Man said:

I got that email too, but it turns out it was ERB trying to lead a false trail away from HIMSELF.

He may be evil but he’s not that evil.

Peak Warming Man said:

I got that email too, but it turns out it was ERB trying to lead a false trail away from HIMSELF.

Only kidding.
I’ll reveal who the real troll was on Saturday, and it’s going to come at quite a shock to a lot of youse.

I’ll reveal who the real troll was on Saturday, and it’s going to come at quite a shock to a lot of youse

It was funbunny…

It’s probably the reason PeterT was locked in the dungeons. *taps nose *

I couldn’t believe it at first, but then on reflection it all started to come together.

Divine Angel said:

It’s probably the reason PeterT was locked in the dungeons. *taps nose *

He knows why he’s there!

He knows why he’s there!

Conclave?

Bubblecar said:

>This place is not very stable and seems to slow go all sticky and crashy when the traffic is high.

i.e., This place is not very stable and seems to go all slow, sticky and crashy when the traffic is high.

Haven’t found it that way here?

>Haven’t found it that way here?

Were you here last night? It was misbehaving badly, my end.

Bubblecar said:

>Haven’t found it that way here?

Were you here last night? It was misbehaving badly, my end.

Until about 10.00 our time.

From somewhere way up in the middle of the thread:

>> ABC employees can’t be out just making public statements off their own backs without that statement first being scrutinised.<<

I seem to remember “Hi I’m Nick and I can save the forum” Public statement. Off own back. On ABC forum even. By current employee.

Precedent.

Oh yes, and I also meant to point out that the ABC home page changed at about the same time as the Other Forum carked it.

I was at the Other Forum a couple of days ago……could someone who did frequent it tell me if there was any warning that it would stop dead? The last I read was the plea for someone to take it over or something. There was no indication at that stage (Monday?) that it would stop suddenly.

Any more refugees?

There was a thread asking what ≤i≥we≤/i≥ wanted to do with the forum and as far as I know that question was no where near resolved when the lights went out…

Is the gardening forum that was part of Uncle Chrises mega forums still going, it was like this place I believe, independent, God fearing, mostly Christian forum with a few rabid unstable atheists to add character.

Its candle burned out long before its legend ever did.

RIP PSF

buffy said:

Oh yes, and I also meant to point out that the ABC home page changed at about the same time as the Other Forum carked it.

I was at the Other Forum a couple of days ago……could someone who did frequent it tell me if there was any warning that it would stop dead? The last I read was the plea for someone to take it over or something. There was no indication at that stage (Monday?) that it would stop suddenly.

No, it seemed indecent haste. But I’m of the opinion we were fed BS from day one about that place. A lot of things didn’y stack up.

Just curious: what does PSF mean?

Petrol Sniffer’s Forum

I see…why?

furious said:

I see…why?

It’s just traditional.

furious said:

I see…why?

That knowledge has been lost in the mists of time.

furious said:

Just curious: what does PSF mean?

Depends who you ask.
Petrol sniffers’ forum
Paint sniffers’ forum
Pseudo science forum
Permatemp science forum

• That knowledge has been lost in the mists of time.**

Indeed…

Gardening forum is still a goer.

http://chrw.customer.netspace.net.au/hf/ghd.html

• Gardening forum is still a goer.**

So, Gardens… are silver bells and cockle shells still necessary? Or can I get by with pretty maids?

You have to be nice in the gardening forum. They are more easily offended that this lot here at Holidays.

Nice. Hyperforum bookmark updated for here.
back lurking
8)

I must say that some of the “this just just goes to show how much better we are than they were” responses are pretty bloody pathetic.

I suppose everyone will get over it eventually though.

“this just just goes to show how much better we are than they were” responses are pretty bloody pathetic.

NEVER!!

Maintain the rage I say.

The Rev Dodgson said:

I must say that some of the “this just just goes to show how much better we are than they were” responses are pretty bloody pathetic.

I suppose everyone will get over it eventually though.

This place is still going and has been for sometime without your mostly negative input Rev.

jjjust moi said:

This place is still going and has been for sometime without your mostly negative input Rev.

You PSForumites are a bitchy lot.

:-P

There goes the neighbourhood. ;)

I haven’t noticed any of the mods around here. I suspect that the PSF will rise again in one form or another. There will be a fair bit to sort out.

jjjust moi said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I must say that some of the “this just just goes to show how much better we are than they were” responses are pretty bloody pathetic.

I suppose everyone will get over it eventually though.

This place is still going and has been for sometime without your mostly negative input Rev.

That’s extremely unfair to the Rev, who has overwhelmingly been a positive contributor to the SSSF over many years.

Please don’t dismiss that which brought us all together initially… an ABC funded science forum. When that forum failed, there was a definitive split in the community. Nick’s v-bulletin board was slowly recapturing the science-centric esprit de corps of the early SSSF which the ABC did consider a worthy investment, but it failed to capture new members; for whatever reasons it has apparently failed.

It’s bad grace for anyone here to crow about their successful predictions of failure. The people who tried to make Nicks forum work did so with the best of intentions.

We are all friends here, we were brought together by common bonds. There’s negative input, all right, but it’s not the Rev who’s responsible for it.

i think the rev justs wants to play devil’s advocate

given the problems of north korea , australia wins hands down

The people who tried to make Nicks forum work did so with the best of intentions.

i always tried to make all forums i participate in successful. just got frustrated at the lack of action on certain issues. but i am realistic and could see that the new place was never going to be like the old forum. too many good people gone and not enough new ones. plus it got to be more of a news feed, sport and politics forum. anyway, i like this place and maybe the orange place will take sssf place. if people are really interested in having a science forum then it should.

esselte said:

jjjust moi said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I must say that some of the “this just just goes to show how much better we are than they were” responses are pretty bloody pathetic.

I suppose everyone will get over it eventually though.

This place is still going and has been for sometime without your mostly negative input Rev.

That’s extremely unfair to the Rev, who has overwhelmingly been a positive contributor to the SSSF over many years.

Please don’t dismiss that which brought us all together initially… an ABC funded science forum. When that forum failed, there was a definitive split in the community. Nick’s v-bulletin board was slowly recapturing the science-centric esprit de corps of the early SSSF which the ABC did consider a worthy investment, but it failed to capture new members; for whatever reasons it has apparently failed.

It’s bad grace for anyone here to crow about their successful predictions of failure. The people who tried to make Nicks forum work did so with the best of intentions.

We are all friends here, we were brought together by common bonds. There’s negative input, all right, but it’s not the Rev who’s responsible for it.

I’ve seen his input for years, very little except to question all others. You may be his fanboi. I’m not.

as far as i could see the other forum couldn’t work, it didn’t have the same dynamism as this format

the sssf was split between those defying gravity with a format that was clunky and this format that was simple and worked

jjjust moi said:

esselte said:

jjjust moi said:

This place is still going and has been for sometime without your mostly negative input Rev.

That’s extremely unfair to the Rev, who has overwhelmingly been a positive contributor to the SSSF over many years.

Please don’t dismiss that which brought us all together initially… an ABC funded science forum. When that forum failed, there was a definitive split in the community. Nick’s v-bulletin board was slowly recapturing the science-centric esprit de corps of the early SSSF which the ABC did consider a worthy investment, but it failed to capture new members; for whatever reasons it has apparently failed.

It’s bad grace for anyone here to crow about their successful predictions of failure. The people who tried to make Nicks forum work did so with the best of intentions.

We are all friends here, we were brought together by common bonds. There’s negative input, all right, but it’s not the Rev who’s responsible for it.

I’ve seen his input for years, very little except to question all others. You may be his fanboi. I’m not.

I am a fan of questions. I like Rev D. I’m not a fanboy of anyone except Batman, because Batman’s so damn cool :) I think the Rev made a fair comment about a number of unfair comments which have been made here recently, and I’m offering him my support to him in the form of an open and considered statement.

jjjust moi said:

No, it seemed indecent haste. But I’m of the opinion we were fed BS from day one about that place. A lot of things didn’y stack up.

what exactly “didn’t stack up”??

I like Rev D too, and I’m sure he was a worthwhile contributor at the other forum. But there really hasn’t been much “crowing” in this thread that hasn’t been mostly tongue-in-cheek.

I engaged in a bit of “I told you so” but only because it was deserved. OTOH, contributors to the other forum had no way of knowing it wouldn’t even last a year.

furious said:

I see…why?

it was a mean spirited jibe at some of the people that used the forum, I do believe…

>it was a mean spirited jibe at some of the people that used the forum, I do believe…

Don’t think so. I can’t remember who first used it and why, but it was more in the manner of comical banter than ill feeling.

My ‘word for the day’ from Wordsmith – schadenfreude – Pleasure derived from another’s misfortunes.

The only time I was resentful towards the other forum was when B.C. was locked out of there and brought his grievances here, roundly abusing everyone here for no apparent reason.

and my, that pleasure is sweet. like a double serving of cold revenge.

Bubblecar said:

>it was a mean spirited jibe at some of the people that used the forum, I do believe…

Don’t think so. I can’t remember who first used it and why, but it was more in the manner of comical banter than ill feeling.

of courses… right up there with them gay jokes…

laugh-a-minute type stuff…

Bubblecar said:

I like Rev D too, and I’m sure he was a worthwhile contributor at the other forum. But there really hasn’t been much “crowing” in this thread that hasn’t been mostly tongue-in-cheek.

I engaged in a bit of “I told you so” but only because it was deserved. OTOH, contributors to the other forum had no way of knowing it wouldn’t even last a year.

I agree that it’s been tongue in cheek, and even think Rev D might have been a little over sensitive about it. I take exception to the claim that the Rev D is mostly negative in these communities. It’s simply not true, and as a statement made smacks of territorialism rather than consideration.

morrie said:

My ‘word for the day’ from Wordsmith – schadenfreude – Pleasure derived from another’s misfortunes.

It’s not really misfortune. If it was going to happen, it was going to happen. Nothing’s stopping them using Squeezebabe’s forum if they want a v-bulletin science forum – it’s waiting to be populated :)

Bubblecar said:

morrie said:

My ‘word for the day’ from Wordsmith – schadenfreude – Pleasure derived from another’s misfortunes.

It’s not really misfortune. If it was going to happen, it was going to happen. Nothing’s stopping them using Squeezebabe’s forum if they want a v-bulletin science forum – it’s waiting to be populated :)

+1

>laugh-a-minute type stuff…

It was almost certainly invented by one of the posters here who also posted there (which I think is most of the posters here).

Bubblecar said:

>laugh-a-minute type stuff…

It was almost certainly invented by one of the posters here who also posted there (which I think is most of the posters here).

I’m not sure I understand… is that meant to make it funny somehow?

>I’m not sure I understand… is that meant to make it funny somehow?

SSSF was always full of tongue-in-cheek bitchy banter, but it’s a tradition you seem to have forgotten.

Bubblecar said:

>I’m not sure I understand… is that meant to make it funny somehow?

SSSF was always full of tongue-in-cheek bitchy banter, but it’s a tradition you seem to have forgotten.

don’t get sucked into bubbles

wookiemeister said:

Bubblecar said:

>I’m not sure I understand… is that meant to make it funny somehow?

SSSF was always full of tongue-in-cheek bitchy banter, but it’s a tradition you seem to have forgotten.

don’t get sucked into IT bubbles

Getting sucked into bubbles can be a frightening ordeal.

Bubblecar said:

Getting sucked into bubbles can be a frightening ordeal.

SSSFervescent!

I choose not to participate in this argument. I was quite happy to read and post at the other place. I probably lurked and read more there than I posted – but I liked the place.

diddly-squat said:

Bubblecar said:

>laugh-a-minute type stuff…

It was almost certainly invented by one of the posters here who also posted there (which I think is most of the posters here).

I’m not sure I understand… is that meant to make it funny somehow?

Until very recently, I thought PSF meant Piece of Shit Forum. I thought even that was funny. It’s Un-Australian to not think that’s funny!

diddly-squat said:

I don’t think there would be too many people that would suggest that the best thing to do would have been to abandon all hope…

Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope.

>>The only time I was resentful towards the other forum was when B.C. was locked out of there and brought his grievances here, roundly abusing everyone here for no apparent reason.<<

And his contributions here were dealt with in an adult manner. Mostly by ignoring them. I seem to recall there have been attempts at trolling which have also been roundly ignored.

Seems I created a little stir last night.

Thanks for the support from those who did :)

Did you? How did you do that?

I still think it was a type of experiment that the ABC and/or Nick set up. Like a reality show with different wild cards thrown in to spark the flames. Notes were taken and in a year or so the ABC will present a new teev series – a soap opera type programme set in a science forum. We’ll be able to quote the lines before the show has a cult following. I recommend sarahsmum designs the logo for the t-shirts and Bubblecar composes the theme song.

A bit like Peter Carey’s short story “The Fat Man in History”.

With some added elements of The Truman Show.

Michael V said:

Did you? How did you do that?

I think the rev thinks his comments re forums etc is new, and hasn’t been spoken of in such a way here before…maybe.

Rik: Guys! Guys! Look at us! Squabbling! Bickering, like children. What’s happened to us? We never used to be like this!

Vyvyan: Yes, we did.

Mike: Yeah, he’s right, Rik. We’ve always been like this.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Seems I created a little stir last night.

Thanks for the support from those who did :)

No worries.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/broadcast/journalist-nick-ross-reminded-that-his-work-must-be-in-keeping-with-abc-policies/story-fna045gd-1226592761565

————-

I can’t read the whole article because it’s blocked by Uncle Rupert’s paywall, but it looks like the ABC have had to have a closer look at what Nick is doing, his pro-NBN articles have given rise to a few complaints. Perhaps explains why the plug was pulled on the forums.

party_pants said:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/broadcast/journalist-nick-ross-reminded-that-his-work-must-be-in-keeping-with-abc-policies/story-fna045gd-1226592761565

————-

I can’t read the whole article because it’s blocked by Uncle Rupert’s paywall, but it looks like the ABC have had to have a closer look at what Nick is doing, his pro-NBN articles have given rise to a few complaints. Perhaps explains why the plug was pulled on the forums.

If you leave the articles till about 18 hours old you can generally get to them via google.

Skunkworks said:

If you leave the articles till about 18 hours old you can generally get to them via google.

I thought you had a subscription. Maybe I’m thinking of Sibeen.

So he shutdown the permatemp forum to hide any comments that he might have made, or made about him, from the prying eyes of The Australian? Perhaps some of those questioning his motives both here and there and in the former original forum have got themselves quoted in the article…

All I know is he asked the Labor Party to find him a safe seat and they told him that they didn’t have any.

Here is one article from today about the situation

HANDS OFF NICK ROSS:
Conroy warns the ABC and The Australian

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/03/08/hands-off-nick-ross-conroy-warns-the-abc-and-the-australian/

>>HANDS OFF NICK ROSS:
Conroy warns the ABC and The Australian

Looks like he’s got the Labor Parties full support.

It is possible to be pro-NBN and not an ALP stooge.

• All I know is he asked the Labor Party to find him a safe seat and they told him that they didn’t have any.

I thought they were putting him on the senate ticket with nova…

Looks like he’s got the Labor Parties full support.

but not that pinkoe commie leftest media outlet the abc….i just don’t understand

>>It is possible to be pro-NBN and not an ALP stooge.

Yes of course, and visa versa.

• Yes of course, and visa versa.

I’m pro-stooges…

Peak Warming Man said:

All I know is he asked the Labor Party to find him a safe seat and they told him that they didn’t have any.

ROFLMAO!

furious said:

• Yes of course, and visa versa.

I’m pro-stooges…

nuyck nuyck nuyck.

i think there is a better way to spell nuyck but life’s too short to worry and fret about a simple thing like that that most people with an ounce of dog f’ck will know what I mean straight away but some people get hung up on these meaningless things and spend hours angsting about and going on and on about a triviality. I have to say it does annoy me but I dont let it get me down, I just put it to one side and got on with the more important things in life like syntax. Dont get me started on syntax and the ABC’s prediliction for saying a cricket side is 10/340 instead of all out, I mean WTF are they thinking, it’s been all out for as long as cricket has been reported not that you’d know that any cricket is reported these days, they are all punced up pretentious cricket journalists or writers most of who don’t know their arse from their elbow, Lord only knows what they wipe and the selectors are just as bad or worse most of them are failed elbow wipers anyway who have inveigled their way into the position through inbred marriage, have a look at the ears on them sometimes, anyway here comes my bus

No paywall here:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/broadcast/journalist-nick-ross-reminded-that-his-work-must-be-in-keeping-with-abc-policies/story-fna045gd-1226592761565

Hmm, then there suddenly is….

I got to a no-paywall version just by feeding “Nick Ross” into Google News.

not bad PWM but it needs some colour and capslock, bold isn’t quite enough.

Bubblecar said:

No paywall here:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/broadcast/journalist-nick-ross-reminded-that-his-work-must-be-in-keeping-with-abc-policies/story-fna045gd-1226592761565

When I bring up that page it has a paywall.

Someone once told me that you can read paywalled articles from the google cache for free, I don’t know if it’s true because I think that would be cheating and I think everyone who does some work no matter how grand or humble deserves to be paid a fair price for their labour.

Peak Warming Man said:

Someone once told me that you can read paywalled articles from the google cache for free, I don’t know if it’s true because I think that would be cheating and I think everyone who does some work no matter how grand or humble deserves to be paid a fair price for their labour.

Imagine that! The heat has made PWM pro-union.

So are all expressions of opinion that align with a particular poilitical party forbidden by the ABC, or only those that support Labor Party policies?

And when are they going to reprimand Phillip Adams?

The Rev Dodgson said:

And when are they going to reprimand Phillip Adams?

He’ll get his comeuppance when he dies and gets to heaven and finds out that he is not actaully God.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

And when are they going to reprimand Phillip Adams?

He’ll get his comeuppance when he dies and gets to heaven and finds out that he is not actaully God.

Not bad as a WR, but possibly a bit harsh on humble Phil.

Journalist Nick Ross reminded that his work must be “in keeping with ABC policies”

by:James Madden
From:The Australian
March 08, 201312:00AM

AN ABC journalist has been disciplined by the broadcaster’s management over concerns that his online posts about the National Broadband Network failed to meet its “standards of objective journalism”.

Nick Ross, who edits a forum on the ABC website that focuses on technology and games issues, has written a series of favourable articles about the NBN recently.

TROLLOLOLOLOL

At least we know he does actually work there though…

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

And when are they going to reprimand Phillip Adams?

He’ll get his comeuppance when he dies and gets to heaven and finds out that he is not actaully God.

Not bad as a WR, but possibly a bit harsh on humble Phil.

Humble Phil?

lordy

Dropbear said:

Humble Phil?

lordy

It was a little joke.

Dropbear said:

Humble Phil?

lordy

It was a little joke.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dropbear said:

Humble Phil?

lordy

It was a little joke.

very ;)

Phil is probably in Santiago de León de Caracas paying his last respects to one of his heros.

http://about.abc.net.au/reports-publications/editorial-policies/

http://about.abc.net.au/how-the-abc-is-run/what-guides-us/our-editorial-policies/

the abc policies on editorial content etc.

media watch has been on about these issues lately concerning the abc.

I thought I had seen something about Nick Ross in the news a month or so ago. A bit of Googling beyond the first page that comes up, and it looks like things have been rumbling for a while. I’m not au fait with Twitter, but I can get the general idea:

https://twitter.com/maninultimo

“Personal Affiliations

I really don’t give a monkey’s about who’s running the country after the next election.”

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/02/21/3435975.htm

Fairy nuff

a good read Ian, thanks.

The Rev Dodgson said:

So are all expressions of opinion that align with a particular poilitical party forbidden by the ABC, or only those that support Labor Party policies?

And when are they going to reprimand Phillip Adams?

We don’t run the ABC from this particular forum.

Sitrep:

Database error

The database has encountered a problem.

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Please try the following: •Load the page again by clicking the Refresh button in your web browser.
•Open the www.abcforums.com home page, then try to open another page.
•Click the Back button to try another link.

The www.abcforums.com forum technical staff have been notified of the error, though you may contact them if the problem persists.

We apologise for any inconvenience.

So much for more information to follow…

furious said:

So much for more information to follow…

I think it’s a case of delete all tracks.

I get the feeling his troubles with the forum are very much secondary to the NBN crusade. He has become the target for anti-NBN people, including the Murdoch press*. I think it is clearing the decks of anything Nick-related – even vaguely – so as not to give any more ammo to the dolts. It has been mentioned here a few times about using the ABC name for the new forums, unofficially. I guess that is why it has been deleted. There was a closer review of the exact policy and certain grey areas have been deleted to be on the safe side.

• the full NBN will make pay-TV obsolete within a few years of it’s completion. Nobody even in their wrong mind will pay several hundreds of dollars a year for bucketloads of content they don’t want, when they can pick and choose specific subscriptions directly over the internet for much more modest prices.

I was just looking at some bits of the massive thread on the Whirlpool forum about the NBN and Nick gets lots of mentions.

BTW, I sorted out my NBN woes. It turned out to be the laptop I was using. For some reason it didn’t like the new modem. So I have reverted to an older laptop and have bought a new tower to use for the NBN. Speeds will improve when a government funded satellite is launched in a couple of years time, apparently. If that still comes to pass.

I get the feeling his troubles with the forum are very much secondary to the NBN crusade

—-

Yeah, it seems he put a big effort into trying to keep sssf going, while have far more important problems to solve.

Kudos

Empire building.

I’ve seen it before, in a different context.

buffy said:

Empire building.

I’ve seen it before, in a different context.

—

Such as,,,,,

Regardless of the mechanations I think the NBN is a good idea…

party_pants said:

furious said:

So much for more information to follow…

I think it’s a case of delete all tracks.

I get the feeling his troubles with the forum are very much secondary to the NBN crusade. He has become the target for anti-NBN people, including the Murdoch press*. I think it is clearing the decks of anything Nick-related – even vaguely – so as not to give any more ammo to the dolts. It has been mentioned here a few times about using the ABC name for the new forums, unofficially. I guess that is why it has been deleted. There was a closer review of the exact policy and certain grey areas have been deleted to be on the safe side.

• the full NBN will make pay-TV obsolete within a few years of it’s completion. Nobody even in their wrong mind will pay several hundreds of dollars a year for bucketloads of content they don’t want, when they can pick and choose specific subscriptions directly over the internet for much more modest prices.
  

I don’t know if it’s only my problem, but all I get now is a database error. It was check back later?

http://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=http%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/276610/

Yes, just the database error message here now too. I guess the whole thing must have been dismantled.

I too like the idea of the NBN, especially when dealing with a NextG marginally faster than dialup. But we are not yet listed for when NBN might be in this district. So no videos or any of that new fandangled stuff for us for some time yet.

jjjust moi said:

party_pants said:

furious said:

So much for more information to follow…

I think it’s a case of delete all tracks.

I get the feeling his troubles with the forum are very much secondary to the NBN crusade. He has become the target for anti-NBN people, including the Murdoch press*. I think it is clearing the decks of anything Nick-related – even vaguely – so as not to give any more ammo to the dolts. It has been mentioned here a few times about using the ABC name for the new forums, unofficially. I guess that is why it has been deleted. There was a closer review of the exact policy and certain grey areas have been deleted to be on the safe side.

• the full NBN will make pay-TV obsolete within a few years of it’s completion. Nobody even in their wrong mind will pay several hundreds of dollars a year for bucketloads of content they don’t want, when they can pick and choose specific subscriptions directly over the internet for much more modest prices.
  

I don’t know if it’s only my problem, but all I get now is a database error. It was check back later?

—-

Check with morrie.

He is down with this shit.

buffy said:

Empire building.

I’ve seen it before, in a different context.

If you see it in the setting up of the forums in the other place I think you need your eyes checked.

It was an empire building exercise.

The empire has now fallen, I’d say.

The SSSF with a net and tech savvy membership would have been a ripe plum to poach. And again I am a bit conflicted about Nick, I think he did the right thing as he saw it but I cant help wonder about other motives. But that just might be me and my suspicious nature.

To be truthful, he did me no specific wrong…

buffy said:

It was an empire building exercise.

The empire has now fallen, I’d say.

I think the opposite. A misguided attempt, but with the right motivation.

Skunkworks said:

The SSSF with a net and tech savvy membership would have been a ripe plum to poach. And again I am a bit conflicted about Nick, I think he did the right thing as he saw it but I cant help wonder about other motives. But that just might be me and my suspicious nature.

—-

Yeah.

But no.

Why would you set up a failed venture?

Skunkworks said:

The SSSF with a net and tech savvy membership would have been a ripe plum to poach. And again I am a bit conflicted about Nick, I think he did the right thing as he saw it but I cant help wonder about other motives. But that just might be me and my suspicious nature.

I was always sus about that place. There were a lot if things that didn’t ring true when it was being set up.

Don’t ask me now what they were because that was almost a year ago.

Also the fact that some of the old SSSF members couldn’t wait to crawl up Nicks nether regions to get sergeants stripes, sickening really. They found it wasn’t as rosy as they thought!

You know who you are.

tauto said:

Skunkworks said:

The SSSF with a net and tech savvy membership would have been a ripe plum to poach. And again I am a bit conflicted about Nick, I think he did the right thing as he saw it but I cant help wonder about other motives. But that just might be me and my suspicious nature.

—-

Yeah.

But no.

Why would you set up a failed venture?

In what why was the setup destined to fail? I recall he went to a lot of trouble to incorporate VBT. The forum was an active and going concern albeit not as active as the original.

• Also the fact that some of the old SSSF members couldn’t wait to crawl up Nicks nether regions to get sergeants stripes, sickening really. They found it wasn’t as rosy as they thought!

You’re a real piece of work, you know that?

i wanted to be a mod because i have a hunger for power. trouble is i would have been like bill and squeezebabe and not fitted the mold.

Boris said:

i wanted to be a mod because i have a hunger for power. trouble is i would have been like bill and squeezebabe and not fitted the mold.

I wasn’t invited.

I once commented at the old SSSF that where Kylie chastised with whips I would chastise with scorpions. I guess some people didn’t realise it was a paraphrase and took it literally.

Skunkworks said:

tauto said:

Skunkworks said:

The SSSF with a net and tech savvy membership would have been a ripe plum to poach. And again I am a bit conflicted about Nick, I think he did the right thing as he saw it but I cant help wonder about other motives. But that just might be me and my suspicious nature.

—-

Yeah.

But no.

Why would you set up a failed venture?

In what why was the setup destined to fail? I recall he went to a lot of trouble to incorporate VBT. The forum was an active and going concern albeit not as active as the original.

Why was the old SSSF a failed venture?

Because Nick said so?

I think that is where the bullshit started.

I’ll rescue you all, but we won’t be associated with the ABC, or only loosely.

More bullshit.

The suckhole mods had no authority against the posters who mostly were only poseurs. You only need to think about the respected people on the original forum, who chose not to make the move. They could see.

furious said:

• Also the fact that some of the old SSSF members couldn’t wait to crawl up Nicks nether regions to get sergeants stripes, sickening really. They found it wasn’t as rosy as they thought!

You’re a real piece of work, you know that?

Ever read the postings just before the demise?

I speak from what I read, do you?

• More bullshit. The suckhole mods had no authority against the posters who mostly were only poseurs. You only need to think about the respected people on the original forum, who chose not to make the move. They could see.

Umm… what?

jjjust moi said:

Why was the old SSSF a failed venture?

eh? It was staggeringly popular more so than the other ABC sites. They dropped the ball with that one losing a portal for further click throughs and advertising of other ABC products.

But somewhere a decision was made that the software would not be supported. Nothing to do with its popularity.

furious said:

• More bullshit. The suckhole mods had no authority against the posters who mostly were only poseurs. You only need to think about the respected people on the original forum, who chose not to make the move. They could see.

Umm… what?

What don’t you understand?

jjjust moi said:

Why was the old SSSF a failed venture?

Because Nick said so?

I think that is where the bullshit started.

I’ll rescue you all, but we won’t be associated with the ABC, or only loosely.

More bullshit.

The suckhole mods had no authority against the posters who mostly were only poseurs. You only need to think about the respected people on the original forum, who chose not to make the move. They could see.

No. it didn’t happen that way. You’ve got the wrong idea.

jjjust moi said:

furious said:

• Also the fact that some of the old SSSF members couldn’t wait to crawl up Nicks nether regions to get sergeants stripes, sickening really. They found it wasn’t as rosy as they thought!

You’re a real piece of work, you know that?

Ever read the postings just before the demise?

I speak from what I read, do you?

—-

Well this forum performs well because we don’t have fights.

If you want to have a fight then surely there are other forums.

It was staggeringly popular more so than the other ABC sites. They dropped the ball with that one losing a portal for further click throughs and advertising of other ABC products.

sure did.the talent that place had and they wasted it.

• What don’t you understand?

I don’t know, maybe the bit where you get personally abusive about people that you have never met…

party_pants said:

jjjust moi said:

Why was the old SSSF a failed venture?

Because Nick said so?

I think that is where the bullshit started.

I’ll rescue you all, but we won’t be associated with the ABC, or only loosely.

More bullshit.

The suckhole mods had no authority against the posters who mostly were only poseurs. You only need to think about the respected people on the original forum, who chose not to make the move. They could see.

No. it didn’t happen that way. You’ve got the wrong idea.

I most certainly haven’t AB. But unless someone has access to the dying days of the old forum I can’t quote verbatim. But that’s the way it happened.

Anyway, I really don’t GAF, it’s not high on my list of priorities.

tauto said:

jjjust moi said:

furious said:

• Also the fact that some of the old SSSF members couldn’t wait to crawl up Nicks nether regions to get sergeants stripes, sickening really. They found it wasn’t as rosy as they thought!

You’re a real piece of work, you know that?

Ever read the postings just before the demise?

I speak from what I read, do you?

—-

Well this forum performs well because we don’t have fights.

If you want to have a fight then surely there are other forums.

Hah! How many fights were there before the remnants of the PSF landed hear with attitude.

stick in “here” if you want

The Lab forum space became divorced from the wider ABC over time. I believe it got funded outside of the ABC too, from the minister for science or education because of the involvement with Dr Karl. The ABC people making the decision to drop the forums because the new servers weren’t set up to support it didn’t know what they were dropping. It was probably only the little people like Nick working at the coal-face of it on the ABC side realised what was going to be lost.

• Hah! How many fights were there before the remnants of the PSF landed hear with attitude

A long time ago, we used to be friends…

furious said:

• What don’t you understand?

I don’t know, maybe the bit where you get personally abusive about people that you have never met…

I don’t need to meet people to dislike them.

You?

tauto said:

jjjust moi said:

party_pants said:

I think it’s a case of delete all tracks.

I get the feeling his troubles with the forum are very much secondary to the NBN crusade. He has become the target for anti-NBN people, including the Murdoch press*. I think it is clearing the decks of anything Nick-related – even vaguely – so as not to give any more ammo to the dolts. It has been mentioned here a few times about using the ABC name for the new forums, unofficially. I guess that is why it has been deleted. There was a closer review of the exact policy and certain grey areas have been deleted to be on the safe side.

• the full NBN will make pay-TV obsolete within a few years of it’s completion. Nobody even in their wrong mind will pay several hundreds of dollars a year for bucketloads of content they don’t want, when they can pick and choose specific subscriptions directly over the internet for much more modest prices.
  

I don’t know if it’s only my problem, but all I get now is a database error. It was check back later?

—-

Check with morrie.

He is down with this shit.

I don’t even understand what that means.

• I don’t need to meet people to dislike them. You?

I don’t tend to blanket abuse a group due to a particular preference of mine…

I really must apologise for most of my postings tonight.

I have watched the PSF over time and have become frustrated with the lack of “genuinness” there.

It became more posturing without much meat and when some people come on here to defend that system, I am annoyed, as you can see.

I apologise if I have offended and will withdraw from this thread and keep my opinion to myself.

• I have watched the PSF over time and have become frustrated with the lack of “genuinness” there.

Testing the moderation here, but, what the fuck? Seriously: What. The. Fuck?!

Bitching… Check
Sniping… Check.
Navel gazing… check.
Blamestorming… Check.
Declining morale… Check.
Troll baiting… Coming soon.

This has been an extremely successful migration so far.

jjjust moi has apologised, so it might be the best idea to adjourn this discussion for now :)

furious said:

• I have watched the PSF over time and have become frustrated with the lack of “genuinness” there.

Testing the moderation here, but, what the fuck? Seriously: What. The. Fuck?!

Just mind you don’t say say Bunnings, ya cunt

• jjjust moi has apologised, so it might be the best idea to adjourn this discussion for now :)

Apologised first and then made derogatory comments…

Apologies mean shit if you then start having a go…

furious said:

Apologies mean shit if you then start having a go…

Take it outside.

• Take it outside.

I was merely here…

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Whatever one may think about the ABC and Nick etc, in the end it was up to the forum users as to what would happen when the original forums folded. I started a thread in the last days of SSSF in which I tried garnering support for an alternative to the Nick/ABC plan, one which would see us using the forum format that most of us seemed to prefer, while making a clean break with the ABC. Some people agreed with me but not enough, so that was the end of the matter.

This place provided a venue (general chat with some science chat) for those like me who weren’t interested in the v-bulletin option, as well as quite a lot of people who posted in both places. I’m sure it will continue to do so, and sssf/scribbly/tech talk may well find themselves another home.

In my experience sites whose modding is fairly relaxed and allow shitfights without censorship are sometimes more stable than the heavily modded sites.

I guess it might just be a function tha tif the membership gets too dysfunctional under the former the site implodes and dies. But if heavily modded there tends to be a million whinging threads, endless discussion of rules and fairness, blocs formed and a million emails a day from forum members trying to get other members banned.

I get it now, jjjust moi, or whatever, was the person known as “just me” in the other place. And s/he doesn’t like being contradicted. Give them a negative rep and they went crying to mistress… sorry “just me” for I meant you no wrong…

Rule 303 said:

Bitching… Check
Sniping… Check.
Navel gazing… check.
Blamestorming… Check.
Declining morale… Check.
Troll baiting… Coming soon.

This has been an extremely successful migration so far.

*twitch *

It amazed me that from a jury of peers judging only from text on a screen, those with negative reptangles instead of considering that they might in fact be perceived as annoying frigging nobbers instead went ballistic complaining to the mods and getting negative comments removed. No insight at all.

Made me laugh.

Bubblecar said:

Whatever one may think about the ABC and Nick etc, in the end it was up to the forum users as to what would happen when the original forums folded. I started a thread in the last days of SSSF in which I tried garnering support for an alternative to the Nick/ABC plan, one which would see us using the forum format that most of us seemed to prefer, while making a clean break with the ABC. Some people agreed with me but not enough, so that was the end of the matter.

This place provided a venue (general chat with some science chat) for those like me who weren’t interested in the v-bulletin option, as well as quite a lot of people who posted in both places. I’m sure it will continue to do so, and sssf/scribbly/tech talk may well find themselves another home.

Personally, I was more interested in demonstrating to the ABC that a science forum could be a valuable commodity. I had no interest in making a clean break from Aunty. I think public media plays an important role in modern democracies, which can not be serviced by private media. I’m extremely disappointed that the decision makers in the ABC apparently don’t agree.

I don’t wish to over-exaggerate the importance of a Government funded science forum, but I will not under exaggerate it either. For a while at least, the ABC had something uniquely good going on with the science forums. They mismanaged what they had, and are now trying to wipe their hands of it. . The whole thing is a disgraceful indictment of the public service. It’s just a shame that we, the participants, don’t have a bigger voice. Aside from the regular contributors and regular lurkers, no one cares. This is a bigger issue than a few nerds losing their interwebs home away from home. It’s a clear example of a public service which is not doing its job.

Plus one esselte…

tauto said:

Well this forum performs well because we don’t have fights.

If you want to have a fight then surely there are other forums.

Um…..well……um…..

kii said:

tauto said:

Well this forum performs well because we don’t have fights.

If you want to have a fight then surely there are other forums.

Um…..well……um…..

Shut-up you – start your preferred chat thread title and we’ll argue it there

:p

It’s what jelly dreams are made of…

party_pants said:

Shut-up you – start your preferred chat thread title and we’ll argue it there

:p

Meh…can’t be bothered right now…too busy trying to figure out the fight that is in this thread. Can’t we set up a quaratine area for these people that need to punch it out because of the PSF FAIL?

jjjust moi said:

I really must apologise for most of my postings tonight.

I have watched the PSF over time and have become frustrated with the lack of “genuinness” there.

It became more posturing without much meat and when some people come on here to defend that system, I am annoyed, as you can see.

I apologise if I have offended and will withdraw from this thread and keep my opinion to myself.

Pardon me…quaratine = quarantine.

Note to self – don’t sneeze in the middle of typing.

*cleans off keyboard *

>I had no interest in making a clean break from Aunty.

I didn’t either, for most of the lifespan of the original forums. There were only two occasions when I campaigned for SSSF to go it alone – first, after Zarkov’s highly successful trolling, over the course of several years (which the ABC seemed powerless to put an end to) had made it very difficult for intelligent discussion to get a word in edgeways – and second, when the ABC had effectively dumped us anyway and were offering an alternative that I (and a number of others) regarded as a poor substitute, under the leadership of someone who’d had no previous connection with the forums and who didn’t seem terribly interested in discussing our objections to his plans for us.

But as you say, there’s now no question that the ABC has decided it’s no longer involved in any shape or form with the future of the forums, so if they’re to continue, it’s up to the users to take control.

jjjust moi said:

I really must apologise for most of my postings tonight.

I have watched the PSF over time and have become frustrated with the lack of “genuinness” there.

It became more posturing without much meat and when some people come on here to defend that system, I am annoyed, as you can see.

I apologise if I have offended and will withdraw from this thread and keep my opinion to myself.

Spoilsport :) if you hadn’t gone and apologized, I’d be ripping in to you right now. It would have made for some tense, dramatic and violent soap opera. Everyone would have loved it :)

It’s a shame that the users of the SSSF don’t get to see how much effort was spent in trying to keep it going.

Most of the the “Lab” were sacked. That’s why the forum was “retired”. A lot of the people in “the Lab” put a lot of time and effort into it, and wanted the forum to continue, but were turfed out and had to find a new job somewhere else.

Nick was one of the last of the staff there. He did his best to help the forum continue, and put up his own money, and risked his job to do so. He funded the forum out of his own money for the last year.

I had hoped that one day I would be able to make public the details of how the forum was run, and just how much work goes on behind the scenes to keep it running. Do you all think that spambots and trolls do not target public forums?

Nick has put his job on the line to try to help the SSSF continue, and now it is looking like he may lose his job because of that.

Oh, gawd…now I’m crying.

Kingy said:

It’s a shame that the users of the SSSF don’t get to see how much effort was spent in trying to keep it going.

Most of the the “Lab” were sacked. That’s why the forum was “retired”. A lot of the people in “the Lab” put a lot of time and effort into it, and wanted the forum to continue, but were turfed out and had to find a new job somewhere else.

Nick was one of the last of the staff there. He did his best to help the forum continue, and put up his own money, and risked his job to do so. He funded the forum out of his own money for the last year.

I had hoped that one day I would be able to make public the details of how the forum was run, and just how much work goes on behind the scenes to keep it running. Do you all think that spambots and trolls do not target public forums?

Nick has put his job on the line to try to help the SSSF continue, and now it is looking like he may lose his job because of that.

Yes, abcforums.com was not sitting on the ABC servers. It lived on a server in California.

Kingy said:

It’s a shame that the users of the SSSF don’t get to see how much effort was spent in trying to keep it going.

Most of the the “Lab” were sacked. That’s why the forum was “retired”. A lot of the people in “the Lab” put a lot of time and effort into it, and wanted the forum to continue, but were turfed out and had to find a new job somewhere else.

Nick was one of the last of the staff there. He did his best to help the forum continue, and put up his own money, and risked his job to do so. He funded the forum out of his own money for the last year.

I had hoped that one day I would be able to make public the details of how the forum was run, and just how much work goes on behind the scenes to keep it running. Do you all think that spambots and trolls do not target public forums?

Nick has put his job on the line to try to help the SSSF continue, and now it is looking like he may lose his job because of that.

Thanks Kingy. That puts it in the sort of words I was searching for but couldn’t find.

fsm said:

Kingy said:

It’s a shame that the users of the SSSF don’t get to see how much effort was spent in trying to keep it going.

Most of the the “Lab” were sacked. That’s why the forum was “retired”. A lot of the people in “the Lab” put a lot of time and effort into it, and wanted the forum to continue, but were turfed out and had to find a new job somewhere else.

Nick was one of the last of the staff there. He did his best to help the forum continue, and put up his own money, and risked his job to do so. He funded the forum out of his own money for the last year.

I had hoped that one day I would be able to make public the details of how the forum was run, and just how much work goes on behind the scenes to keep it running. Do you all think that spambots and trolls do not target public forums?

Nick has put his job on the line to try to help the SSSF continue, and now it is looking like he may lose his job because of that.

Yes, abcforums.com was not sitting on the ABC servers. It lived on a server in California.

Then why the V-bull format? I thought that was the whole reason.

While that may be true, Kingy, keeping the forums going was apparently part of the job the Lab were being paid for. And whatever Nick’s motives may have been, he’s evidently failed to keep the forums afloat, so the so-called “permatemp” solution was only temporary after all.

But as I said, whatever was going to happen was ultimately up to the users, and that’s still the case.

Kingy said:

Nick has put his job on the line to try to help the SSSF continue, and now it is looking like he may lose his job because of that.

I thought it was because of the NBN thingy.

Don’t get me wrong, I barrack for nick. He be the only one that cared but when the hammer came down no one had any iota. Plenty y of people blamed old nick. Cost he put his name to it but without him and my spell check we would a bin here anywhere near as long… Viva la nick…

morrie said:

fsm said:

Kingy said:

It’s a shame that the users of the SSSF don’t get to see how much effort was spent in trying to keep it going.

Most of the the “Lab” were sacked. That’s why the forum was “retired”. A lot of the people in “the Lab” put a lot of time and effort into it, and wanted the forum to continue, but were turfed out and had to find a new job somewhere else.

Nick was one of the last of the staff there. He did his best to help the forum continue, and put up his own money, and risked his job to do so. He funded the forum out of his own money for the last year.

I had hoped that one day I would be able to make public the details of how the forum was run, and just how much work goes on behind the scenes to keep it running. Do you all think that spambots and trolls do not target public forums?

Nick has put his job on the line to try to help the SSSF continue, and now it is looking like he may lose his job because of that.

Yes, abcforums.com was not sitting on the ABC servers. It lived on a server in California.

Then why the V-bull format? I thought that was the whole reason.

The ABC would not accept a link to a site that was not “Standard” software. It was the only option available.

>He be the only one that cared

Lots of other people cared but we were effectively elbowed aside by Nick. But it’s Nick that the crowds wanted, so it’s Nick that they got :)

Well, he lost my respect when he emailed me that some people think smacking a kid is an okay form of discipline, after I pointed out that the ABC might be seen as condoning child abuse during the “BC hits a kid saga”.

Bubblecar said:

>…If they’re to continue, it’s up to the users to take control.

The users have had control for years now. That is largely what ruined the original forums.

Despite not being the most sociable of people, I understand and appreciate the community that the ABC forums spawned. I hadn’t contributed here until a couple of days ago, but I still followed what was going on. I said on the PSF that one of the things I missed was your daily menu, which always made my mouth water. But to harken back to my previous posts, understand that I genuinely considered the publicly funded forums to be important. It saddened me to watch, over more than a decade, the vital and useful contribution that those forums made be degraded through lack of ownership by the public body. I lamented many times on the actual forum what the SSSF became.

I was dispirited and skeptical when it was shifted to Nicks forum. I slowly began to think that the approach could work, however. Now it’s gone, and I’m dispirited and cynical. I tend to think Nick was a kindred spirit who did his best, but who was ultimately overwhelmed by a bunch of short sighted arseholes in ABC management who don’t understand the difference between business and public service.

Bubblecar said:

While that may be true, Kingy, keeping the forums going was apparently part of the job the Lab were being paid for. And whatever Nick’s motives may have been, he’s evidently failed to keep the forums afloat, so the so-called “permatemp” solution was only temporary after all.

But as I said, whatever was going to happen was ultimately up to the users, and that’s still the case.

I think you misunderstand Mr Car. “The Lab” were funded separately from the general ABC budget, and then lost their funding. Thus they were no longer getting paid to run the forums, that task then fell back on the ABC to fund it but they weren’t interested, because they didn’t see The Lab as a vital part of the ABC.

• Lots of other people cared but we were effectively elbowed aside by Nick

Some people cared and some people bitched and moaned…

Any alternative could of worked but everyone wanted their option to be the right one…

>“The Lab” were funded separately from the general ABC budget, and then lost their funding.<

Whatever, they were still being paid – it wasn’t some noble act of charity :)

kii said:

Well, he lost my respect when he emailed me that some people think smacking a kid is an okay form of discipline, after I pointed out that the ABC might be seen as condoning child abuse during the “BC hits a kid saga”.

I was happy to argue with BC about that. I didnt however email the lab to get him banned. It strikes me that you might be happiest in a forum that you mod and can ban everyone who does not agree with you. Censorship for the win.

For those who don’t know, the ABC was hacked last week and the contents of one of their databases was compromised.

Once they realised, they promptly shut down everything that wasn’t locked down.

SSSF was collateral damage.

Wow…skunk, dude… I don’t know nothing but beating on a frigging kid is not acceptable…

Skunkworks said:

I was happy to argue with BC about that. I didnt however email the lab to get him banned. It strikes me that you might be happiest in a forum that you mod and can ban everyone who does not agree with you. Censorship for the win.

I wanted his vile comments removed because it came across validation and boasting for an adult bullying children.

Get over it…and fuck off, Curve.

Anyway, it’s all dusty history now. I haven’t been involved with SSSF for nearly a year and don’t envisage myself getting back into it, whatever happens. Good luck to those who still think it’s worth repackaging :)

Skunkworks said:

kii said:

Well, he lost my respect when he emailed me that some people think smacking a kid is an okay form of discipline, after I pointed out that the ABC might be seen as condoning child abuse during the “BC hits a kid saga”.

I was happy to argue with BC about that. I didnt however email the lab to get him banned. It strikes me that you might be happiest in a forum that you mod and can ban everyone who does not agree with you. Censorship for the win.

+1

Plenty of people disagreed with BC on that one, including me, but what on Earth could justify getting the site administrators involved in that discussion?

What were you looking for… Censorship of BC’s opinion? People are allowed to say what they think, in Australia.

• Anyway, it’s all dusty history now. I haven’t been involved with SSSF for nearly a year and don’t envisage myself getting back into it, whatever happens. Good luck to those who still think it’s worth repackaging :)

But your dinner suggestions are worthwhile….

furious said:

Wow…skunk, dude… I don’t know nothing but beating on a frigging kid is not acceptable…

Agreed. Especially as an adult on a kiddie especially guised in preventing bullying. Man was a fool. But I preferred to argue against his idiocy than have him banned. I don’t believe in banning people for opinions they hold.

Bubblecar said:

>“The Lab” were funded separately from the general ABC budget, and then lost their funding.<

Whatever, they were still being paid – it wasn’t some noble act of charity :)

You still don’t get it. They were being funded – but then at some point they stopped being funded. Once funding stops is when the manure hits the air-circulating machine.

Who picks up the pieces after that happened. It was here, and it was Nick, and it was the Orange in the Dark forum that all tired.

>You still don’t get it. They were being funded – but then at some point they stopped being funded

?

What makes you think I don’t know that? I honestly can’t think of anything I’ve said that could give that impression.

kii said:

Skunkworks said:

I was happy to argue with BC about that. I didnt however email the lab to get him banned. It strikes me that you might be happiest in a forum that you mod and can ban everyone who does not agree with you. Censorship for the win.

I wanted his vile comments removed because it came across validation and boasting for an adult bullying children.

Get over it…and fuck off, Curve.

hehehe, erudite as ever. It did not come across as validation at all, he was soundly ridiculed by everyone for his views and exposed as a dickhead.

You just prefer to censor ideas and opinions that you disagree with. Pretty lazy.

Bubblecar said:

>“The Lab” were funded separately from the general ABC budget, and then lost their funding.<

Whatever, they were still being paid – it wasn’t some noble act of charity :)

Bubblecar, they were no longer being paid, and it was a noble act of charity.

Don’t forget where your income comes from.

Lab emailed.

esselte said:

+1

Plenty of people disagreed with BC on that one, including me, but what on Earth could justify getting the site administrators involved in that discussion?

What were you looking for… Censorship of BC’s opinion? People are allowed to say what they think, in Australia.

Yes, plenty of people agreed about it, on the ABC’s public website. His continued comments boasting about his abuse needed to be removed. They were in a public forum….leaving them there for anyone to read was very bad form for the ABC.

…but wtf would I know?

Except I worked with kids and their families for a long time and met parents who think that way – in fact I had huge problems with one father who insisted his 4 year old punch other kids if they bullied him…in the preschool.

morrie said:

Lab emailed.

LOLled

Your incantations hold no power here…. :)

Skunkworks said:

You just prefer to censor ideas and opinions that you disagree with. Pretty lazy.

No.

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>Bubblecar, they were no longer being paid, and it was a noble act of charity.

I’m talking about during all the years they ran the Forums. It was their job. The forums might have had a better propect for long-term survival if they’d simply let go at the end, and the users could have organised their own replacements.

The years they ran the forums was much mire passive than they currently are…

Bubblecar said:

>You still don’t get it. They were being funded – but then at some point they stopped being funded

?

What makes you think I don’t know that? I honestly can’t think of anything I’ve said that could give that impression.

i was just reading your previous posts at face value. Maybe I have misunderstood.

My general point is that I don’t see anyone at the ABC at large over the last few years took The Lab seriously. When time came to axe it over a trivial matter like upgrading to new servers which didn’t support it and would have needed money to make the upgrade to keep it going they just decided to pull the pin. Nick, being one of the last ABC employees to appreciate what the forum was really about tried to do something to save it. Far from being the person who cynically decided to shut the forum down so he could transfer and capture it somewhere else he could make some commercial spin-off – I do believe that his motives were altruistic.

I’ve seen 2 previous ABC forums shut down and set up elsewhere as private communities. It is hard work to keep them alive.

kii said:

esselte said:

+1

Plenty of people disagreed with BC on that one, including me, but what on Earth could justify getting the site administrators involved in that discussion?

What were you looking for… Censorship of BC’s opinion? People are allowed to say what they think, in Australia.

Yes, plenty of people agreed about it, on the ABC’s public website. His continued comments boasting about his abuse needed to be removed. They were in a public forum….leaving them there for anyone to read was very bad form for the ABC.

…but wtf would I know?

Except I worked with kids and their families for a long time and met parents who think that way – in fact I had huge problems with one father who insisted his 4 year old punch other kids if they bullied him…in the preschool.

How many people explicitly supported BC? I don’t remember anyone offering him support on this issue. As I remember it this subject was an integral component in the ostracization of BC which eventually led to his (debatably) justified perma-ban from the forums.

kii said:

Yes, plenty of people agreed about it, on the ABC’s public website. His continued comments boasting about his abuse needed to be removed. They were in a public forum….leaving them there for anyone to read was very bad form for the ABC.

…but wtf would I know?

LO Your email campaign was out of concern for how it would look for the ABC eh? Nothing to do with you disliking him and wanting him banned?

Puhleeeze.

I sent the following email, plus I have already talked personally to the local rep about this issue (one advantage of knowing the right people lol- especially when you are both keen fishers…)

and this was their reply (so far)

THIS IS AN AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED EMAIL. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND.
SHOULD YOU WISH TO CONTACT US AGAIN ABOUT THIS MATTER PLEASE USE ONE OF THE FEEDBACK OPTIONS AT http://about.abc.net.au/talk-to-the-abc/feedback-and-enquiries/

Thank you for contacting the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. A copy of your submission is included below.

An acknowledgement will be provided in due course if a valid email address was provided.

Contact type:Complaint

Subject:Customer service

Response requested:Yes

Send copy of comments:Yes

Name:Mr S**** D*****
Location: QLD Australia

Email:**boppa**********

Regarding:A general matter

Comments: You `disciplined’ Nick Ross- as a result he shut down the replacement sssf/tecktalk/scribbly forums…

Because of this `delete swear word here’ treatment of your FORMER viewing, netsurfing and listening public- I have decided that the ABC simply isn’t even worth a single cent a year in funding coming from MY wallet

You didn’t want to fund public forums- fine..

but to close down a private individuals forum to boot by threats (direct or indirect)- after the ABC has made so much public exposure off the very person that started the forums??

I suspect that your radio stations, and tv station will be on my personal ignore list from now on- and I will make plain to anyone I know to do the same

I will also be contacting my local representative to push for a major cut in public funding of the ABC as if it doesn’t want to actually have the public talking- then maybe it shouldn’t have the public $$$ either

Submitted via: http://about.abc.net.au/talk-to-the-abc/lodge-a-complaint/

esselte said:

How many people explicitly supported BC? I don’t remember anyone offering him support on this issue. As I remember it this subject was an integral component in the ostracization of BC which eventually led to his (debatably) justified perma-ban from the forums.

That’s not what I said. Leaving his boasting about the incident on the forums could be seen as condoning that type of behaviour. Nick emailed me that some parents think it is okay to discipline their kids with physical punishment and that was why it was okay to leave the comments up. That attitude sucks IMO.

esselte said:

kii said:

esselte said:

+1

Plenty of people disagreed with BC on that one, including me, but what on Earth could justify getting the site administrators involved in that discussion?

What were you looking for… Censorship of BC’s opinion? People are allowed to say what they think, in Australia.

Yes, plenty of people agreed about it, on the ABC’s public website. His continued comments boasting about his abuse needed to be removed. They were in a public forum….leaving them there for anyone to read was very bad form for the ABC.

…but wtf would I know?

Except I worked with kids and their families for a long time and met parents who think that way – in fact I had huge problems with one father who insisted his 4 year old punch other kids if they bullied him…in the preschool.

How many people explicitly supported BC? I don’t remember anyone offering him support on this issue. As I remember it this subject was an integral component in the ostracization of BC which eventually led to his (debatably) justified perma-ban from the forums.

If I had known that the forums were to be simply deleted, I would have saved most of the debate behind the scenes so that people could see how much discussion went into each controversial post. That way there would be some evidence for the people to see that some posts are worth discussing, and some are honestly just garbage and troll bait.

Skunkworks said:

LO Your email campaign was out of concern for how it would look for the ABC eh? Nothing to do with you disliking him and wanting him banned?

Puhleeeze.

Your dislike of me skews your understanding of what I say or do. It’s common knowledge that your have a target on me because of the coven nonsense. For the sake of other people in this forum – just ignore me, please.

esselte said:

How many people explicitly supported BC? I don’t remember anyone offering him support on this issue.

None, no one, nada. He was roundly criticised as an idiot for holding that view. If anything his posts and the responses were educational to the degree hitting kiddies was reprehensible behaviour with no excuse.

His opinion should have been allowed to stand and be trashed and ridiculed. Lazy option was to ban him cos you don’t like his opinion.

Makes for some boring forms. I don’t want to join a whitebread forum where everyone agrees and contrary opinion is banned.

esselte said:

kii said:

esselte said:

+1

Plenty of people disagreed with BC on that one, including me, but what on Earth could justify getting the site administrators involved in that discussion?

What were you looking for… Censorship of BC’s opinion? People are allowed to say what they think, in Australia.

Yes, plenty of people agreed about it, on the ABC’s public website. His continued comments boasting about his abuse needed to be removed. They were in a public forum….leaving them there for anyone to read was very bad form for the ABC.

…but wtf would I know?

Except I worked with kids and their families for a long time and met parents who think that way – in fact I had huge problems with one father who insisted his 4 year old punch other kids if they bullied him…in the preschool.

How many people explicitly supported BC? I don’t remember anyone offering him support on this issue. As I remember it this subject was an integral component in the ostracization of BC which eventually led to his (debatably) justified perma-ban from the forums.

I did and still do
personally I still found esselte much less agreeable in their public persona than BC, I rarely had little to do but scroll past her posts

kii said:

Your dislike of me skews your understanding of what I say or do. It’s common knowledge that your have a target on me because of the coven nonsense. For the sake of other people in this forum – just ignore me, please.

I do dislike you. I think you negative, whinging and vindictive. I think your living in a country you don’t like, in a desert you hate and doing a job you loath has made you bitter.

However I have never attempted to stop your voice or have you banned.

Not something you can claim. You prefer to ban people and not above plotting to make it happen.

boppa said:

I sent the following email, plus I have already talked personally to the local rep about this issue (one advantage of knowing the right people lol- especially when you are both keen fishers…)

and this was their reply (so far)

THIS IS AN AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED EMAIL. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND.
SHOULD YOU WISH TO CONTACT US AGAIN ABOUT THIS MATTER PLEASE USE ONE OF THE FEEDBACK OPTIONS AT http://about.abc.net.au/talk-to-the-abc/feedback-and-enquiries/

Thank you for contacting the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. A copy of your submission is included below.

An acknowledgement will be provided in due course if a valid email address was provided.

Contact type:Complaint

Subject:Customer service

Response requested:Yes

Send copy of comments:Yes

Name:Mr S**** D*****
Location: QLD Australia

Email:**boppa**********

Regarding:A general matter

Comments: You `disciplined’ Nick Ross- as a result he shut down the replacement sssf/tecktalk/scribbly forums…

Because of this `delete swear word here’ treatment of your FORMER viewing, netsurfing and listening public- I have decided that the ABC simply isn’t even worth a single cent a year in funding coming from MY wallet

You didn’t want to fund public forums- fine..

but to close down a private individuals forum to boot by threats (direct or indirect)- after the ABC has made so much public exposure off the very person that started the forums??

I suspect that your radio stations, and tv station will be on my personal ignore list from now on- and I will make plain to anyone I know to do the same

I will also be contacting my local representative to push for a major cut in public funding of the ABC as if it doesn’t want to actually have the public talking- then maybe it shouldn’t have the public $$$ either

Submitted via: http://about.abc.net.au/talk-to-the-abc/lodge-a-complaint/

Wow, that will shake them to the foundations.

kii said:

esselte said:

How many people explicitly supported BC? I don’t remember anyone offering him support on this issue. As I remember it this subject was an integral component in the ostracization of BC which eventually led to his (debatably) justified perma-ban from the forums.

That’s not what I said. Leaving his boasting about the incident on the forums could be seen as condoning that type of behaviour. Nick emailed me that some parents think it is okay to discipline their kids with physical punishment and that was why it was okay to leave the comments up. That attitude sucks IMO.

Some parents do think it’s okay to discipline their kids with physical punishment. My parents, whom I love very much, sometimes disciplined me physically.

It’s not up to Nick or any other administrator to censor a public forum in any way beyond the stated rules of conduct for that forum. It’s up to us who know better to argue against.

This “allowing the opinion to remain is tantamount to condoning the opinion” tact you are taking is nonsense. The ABC no more condoned or condemned BC’s physical intervention than it condoned or condemned any random contributors commitment to science based medicine, or general skepticism, or Zarkovian physics, or Bubblecar’s food preferences. Remember, it was all a vast tapestry?

kii said:

esselte said:

How many people explicitly supported BC? I don’t remember anyone offering him support on this issue. As I remember it this subject was an integral component in the ostracization of BC which eventually led to his (debatably) justified perma-ban from the forums.

That’s not what I said. Leaving his boasting about the incident on the forums could be seen as condoning that type of behaviour. Nick emailed me that some parents think it is okay to discipline their kids with physical punishment and that was why it was okay to leave the comments up. That attitude sucks IMO.

so do you think he was saying he agreed with physical punushment, or that because others did so it was a okay to leave the comments up so that they could see how unacceptable their beliefs were to othe other forum users ?

just asking …

Skunkworks said:

I do dislike you. I think you negative, whinging and vindictive. I think your living in a country you don’t like, in a desert you hate and doing a job you loath has made you bitter.

However I have never attempted to stop your voice or have you banned.

Not something you can claim. You prefer to ban people and not above plotting to make it happen.

That is the funniest thing I have read for a long time. What I post here is not the whole me, there is a lot about my life that you and other have no idea about. Do you think that I reveal everything about myself in this place?

There are many aspects of the USA that I love, but it is frustrating after living in Oz for the majority of my life.

The desert is an amazing place, except for when the wind blows and the sand gets stuck in my lip balm.

Everyone at Barnes & Noble is unhappy in their job – the company is failing and there is a nasty culture from upper management that makes the workplace unbearable for everyone (but they don’t post here, so you don’t know about that).

Read some of the posts here – http://bn-booksellers.livejournal.com/ and you might understand a bit.

Or don’t. I don’t care. Just leave me alone – I don’t like you.

kii said:

That is the funniest thing I have read for a long time. What I post here is not the whole me, there is a lot about my life that you and other have no idea about. Do you think that I reveal everything about myself in this place?

I can only base my impression of you from what you have posted which is overwhelmingly negative, whinging and carping.

Maybe elsewhere you are a font of joy but you don’t demonstrate it here.

And it doesn’t address your eagerness to have other forumites whose opinions you don’t like banned. That to me is the main issue, I can get along with idiots like you, I can argue with you and if you make a decent argument I will concede.

None of that is possible when someone backdoors and emails mods to get someone banned. What for? To make your viewing experience of the forum more accordance with your own thoughts?

Why did you want BC banned Kii? Out of concern for the ABC or cos you didnt like him and his opinions?

Somewhere last night someone mentioned not being able to access the dying days of the old forum. I haven’t looked to see if everything is still there, but as I had mislaid the address, I Googled. It’s still there if you want to read:

http://www2b.abc.net.au/science/k2/stn/

are we there yet?

Boris said:

are we there yet?

I dunno.. Those who were mods aren’t coming here and telling us anything. Thus we can assume they have nothing to tell us.

Boris said:

are we there yet?

it seems we are. Used to be a message saying there would be more information soon, but now it says:

“
Database error

The database has encountered a problem.

————————————————————————————————————————

Please try the following: •Load the page again by clicking the Refresh button in your web browser.
•Open the www.abcforums.com home page, then try to open another page.
•Click the Back button to try another link.

The www.abcforums.com forum technical staff have been notified of the error, though you may contact them if the problem persists.

We apologise for any inconvenience.”

The Rev Dodgson said:

Boris said:

are we there yet?

it seems we are. Used to be a message saying there would be more information soon, but now it says:

“
Database error

The database has encountered a problem.

————————————————————————————————————————

Please try the following: •Load the page again by clicking the Refresh button in your web browser.
•Open the www.abcforums.com home page, then try to open another page.
•Click the Back button to try another link.

The www.abcforums.com forum technical staff have been notified of the error, though you may contact them if the problem persists.

We apologise for any inconvenience.”

There was always that database error.. it usually meant that some moderation work was in progress and if one waited a few minutes things would be back to normal. So from that you may assume that there is someone doing something behind the scenes.. which could mean that an update is imminent.

it’s worser than that, it’s dead jim.

OK, won’t give up on them just yet then.

Nice to see I’m still the flavour of the month! LOL!!!
Anyways, just to clear up a few points……

• I was not banned from the other place as some seem to believe…moderated yes, never banned.
  I left under my own steam disatisfied with the actions of a petty little mod who spat the dummy after not seeing me bow to her wishes and to secumb to the bullying by the mob.

• Nick, I have plenty of respect for him and his efforts to run a decent forum without gang/mob attacks upon any and all who dared to question that mob. But finally he seccumbed to the threats from the mods over taking action against me.

• As usual the pathetic self pontificating self righteous efforts over my supposed attack on a schoolboy misses some very important points….. I was not boasting about the incident, merely showing that sometimes bullying must be met with similar actions……You see, most bullies are lilly livid cowards and hate pain. The bully who I bullied and knocked over was probably a couple of cm’s taller then me anyway The Principal of the school and another teacher warmly congratulated me on my actions in helping a victim of bullying instead of just standing by watching it happened. After I knocked the real bully over, I did pick him back up, dusted him off and asked how he was…then sent him on his way after his other three friends who had by this time scurried on their way.
  The only “contact” and interactions after the event was with the true victim by myself and a teacher. And finally, yes, if the opportunity arose again, I would probably take the same action.
  I stand for the victim, not the bully.

A similar event used to occur when my Son who was about 4 or 5 years old, was picked on by another boy who was smaller then him, but was being egged on by two older brothers.
I told him that if he ever came inside crying again after being hit by the other boy, I would hit him, and that if he was hit again, to take an almighty swing back at the other boy.
Next day he did just that. Since that day they have been friends and have been the best man at each other’s wedding.

Oh, and I certainly did have support over there, just that I did prefer to fight my own battles and did not want others feeling the wrath of the mob.
I know who they were and thank them for their approval of my general actions

Now lets talk about my own voluntarilly removal of myself from the other place. I thought the pessimistic right wing politically motivated bullying by my adversaries, was taking up too much of my valued time in replying in kind.
So I told them all to get fucked and left.
That post certainly did not last long.
I have had probably four or five look-ins over the last few months to see what was taking place.
This morning was one of those times and I see it has finished….So I took a look-see on the chat forum here….
Not much to see I admit, but did give me a laugh to see me still flavour of the month.

I do now partake in another science forum, much much larger then anything run by the ABC and with contributing members from ESA and NASA and plenty of optimistic, innovative Imaginative people as well as a few of the more pessimistic kind like we had over there and here.
A forum where most of you blokes would not really survive for too long as rudeness, bullying, name calling inuendos and similar are all banned.
Yes, and I have had to curtail and change my style somewhat.
The other benefits for me are that because of the time differences I don’t spend/waste as much time there as I used to over at Nick’s, and of course there is no need for me to be answering any inuendos and bullying tactics and other slutty remarks.
I am there to absorb knowledge, which is plentiful to say the least.
here is some data on that forum: ::::
There are currently 774 users online. 55 members and 719 guests
Most users ever online was 1,093, Yesterday at 03:46 PM.
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Anyway, enjoy yourselves because I am.
Off to Alaska next month so wish me the best

And no, I wont be peeping back here…Just was inclined this time after seeing the old place go under.
Moce mada…Arriverderci…..Adieu…so long
xxxxxxxxxx :o)

ps: Apolgies to my two girls kii and Sugarbabe for any spelling mistakes. :o)

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, won’t give up on them just yet then.

They promised an announcement.. there should be a message in five days but don’t give up until fifty days pass.

>>There was always that database error.. it usually meant that some moderation work was in progress and if one waited a few minutes things would be back to normal. So from that you may assume that there is someone doing something behind the scenes.. which could mean that an update is imminent.<<

I doubt it would take nearly 24 hours to type up an announcement about the State of the Forum. I think it’s dead.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, won’t give up on them just yet then.

They promised an announcement.. there should be a message in five days but don’t give up until fifty days pass.

Bukra, Inshallah.

B.C. said:

Nice to see I’m still the flavour of the month! LOL!!!
Anyways, just to clear up a few points……

• I was not banned from the other place as some seem to believe…moderated yes, never banned.
  I left under my own steam disatisfied with the actions of a petty little mod who spat the dummy after not seeing me bow to her wishes and to secumb to the bullying by the mob.

• Nick, I have plenty of respect for him and his efforts to run a decent forum without gang/mob attacks upon any and all who dared to question that mob. But finally he seccumbed to the threats from the mods over taking action against me.

• As usual the pathetic self pontificating self righteous efforts over my supposed attack on a schoolboy misses some very important points….. I was not boasting about the incident, merely showing that sometimes bullying must be met with similar actions……You see, most bullies are lilly livid cowards and hate pain. The bully who I bullied and knocked over was probably a couple of cm’s taller then me anyway The Principal of the school and another teacher warmly congratulated me on my actions in helping a victim of bullying instead of just standing by watching it happened. After I knocked the real bully over, I did pick him back up, dusted him off and asked how he was…then sent him on his way after his other three friends who had by this time scurried on their way.
  The only “contact” and interactions after the event was with the true victim by myself and a teacher. And finally, yes, if the opportunity arose again, I would probably take the same action.
  I stand for the victim, not the bully.

A similar event used to occur when my Son who was about 4 or 5 years old, was picked on by another boy who was smaller then him, but was being egged on by two older brothers.
I told him that if he ever came inside crying again after being hit by the other boy, I would hit him, and that if he was hit again, to take an almighty swing back at the other boy.
Next day he did just that. Since that day they have been friends and have been the best man at each other’s wedding.

Oh, and I certainly did have support over there, just that I did prefer to fight my own battles and did not want others feeling the wrath of the mob.
I know who they were and thank them for their approval of my general actions

Now lets talk about my own voluntarilly removal of myself from the other place. I thought the pessimistic right wing politically motivated bullying by my adversaries, was taking up too much of my valued time in replying in kind.
So I told them all to get fucked and left.
That post certainly did not last long.
I have had probably four or five look-ins over the last few months to see what was taking place.
This morning was one of those times and I see it has finished….So I took a look-see on the chat forum here….
Not much to see I admit, but did give me a laugh to see me still flavour of the month.

I do now partake in another science forum, much much larger then anything run by the ABC and with contributing members from ESA and NASA and plenty of optimistic, innovative Imaginative people as well as a few of the more pessimistic kind like we had over there and here.
A forum where most of you blokes would not really survive for too long as rudeness, bullying, name calling inuendos and similar are all banned.
Yes, and I have had to curtail and change my style somewhat.
The other benefits for me are that because of the time differences I don’t spend/waste as much time there as I used to over at Nick’s, and of course there is no need for me to be answering any inuendos and bullying tactics and other slutty remarks.
I am there to absorb knowledge, which is plentiful to say the least.
here is some data on that forum: ::::
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Anyway, enjoy yourselves because I am.
Off to Alaska next month so wish me the best

And no, I wont be peeping back here…Just was inclined this time after seeing the old place go under.
Moce mada…Arriverderci…..Adieu…so long
xxxxxxxxxx :o)

ps: Apolgies to my two girls kii and Sugarbabe for any spelling mistakes. :o)

I doubt that I ever bothered your daily routine but I do think it a bit rude of you to brag about your new forum without giving us a link. ;)

Good to see you are still alive, BC. Your sudden disappearance had me concerned.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Good to see you are still alive, BC. Your sudden disappearance had me concerned.

I too am glad that BC is alive and well, and has found a forum more to his liking.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Good to see you are still alive, BC. Your sudden disappearance had me concerned.

Thanks
I’m a tough old bird although I do have a few tail feathers missing.

By biggest problem at present is to find someone to look after two spoilt miniature smooth-haired Dachsunds while I am away!

Anyway I’m of!

The Rev Dodgson said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Good to see you are still alive, BC. Your sudden disappearance had me concerned.

I too am glad that BC is alive and well, and has found a forum more to his liking.

Thanks Rev…. It’s a forum with around a dozen “Magic Chicken” conrtubutors and the same number of “cusps”

anyway must go…

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2062410/pg1

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2062410/pg1

where do i sign up?

morrie is a Very Naughty Boy.

:)