Date: 27/03/2013 20:59:34
From: Boris
ID: 287433
Subject: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

IT’S an Australian first, happening in Perth – a geothermal system has been designed to cool an $80 million petascale supercomputing facility at the Australian Resources Research Centre (ARRC) in Kensington’s Technology Park.

more

here

an interesting concept.

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Date: 27/03/2013 21:09:31
From: Dropbear
ID: 287440
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

Boris said:


IT’S an Australian first, happening in Perth – a geothermal system has been designed to cool an $80 million petascale supercomputing facility at the Australian Resources Research Centre (ARRC) in Kensington’s Technology Park.

more

here

an interesting concept.

ive seen enthusiasts using the ground as a heatsink for cooling loops on their PC’s before.. works better in cooler climes obviously, but it’s a cool set up.

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Date: 27/03/2013 21:11:25
From: Boris
ID: 287442
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

bit like those air cons you see on grand designs with “miles” of tubing buried in the yard. i wonder why it is not used more here, or is it and i just don’t hear of it.

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Date: 27/03/2013 21:13:30
From: party_pants
ID: 287445
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

Boris said:


bit like those air cons you see on grand designs with “miles” of tubing buried in the yard. i wonder why it is not used more here, or is it and i just don’t hear of it.

They tend to be used for heating in most of the GDs I’ve watched. Maybe they don’t quite as well for cooling.

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Date: 27/03/2013 21:13:58
From: Dropbear
ID: 287446
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

Boris said:


bit like those air cons you see on grand designs with “miles” of tubing buried in the yard. i wonder why it is not used more here, or is it and i just don’t hear of it.

works better with cooler ground temperatures…

you’d need to bury them farken deep in Aus to get any benefit most of the year around.

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Date: 27/03/2013 21:15:43
From: Dropbear
ID: 287447
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

party_pants said:


Boris said:

bit like those air cons you see on grand designs with “miles” of tubing buried in the yard. i wonder why it is not used more here, or is it and i just don’t hear of it.

They tend to be used for heating in most of the GDs I’ve watched. Maybe they don’t quite as well for cooling.

depends where it is and the ambient ground temp etc…

cooling high heat devices would work a lot better than ‘room cooling’ because of the bigger temp gradient

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Date: 27/03/2013 21:16:29
From: Boris
ID: 287448
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

you’d think though that the temp difference would be similar. and that is what you need is the difference.

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Date: 27/03/2013 21:16:37
From: party_pants
ID: 287449
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

Dropbear said:


Boris said:

bit like those air cons you see on grand designs with “miles” of tubing buried in the yard. i wonder why it is not used more here, or is it and i just don’t hear of it.

works better with cooler ground temperatures…

you’d need to bury them farken deep in Aus to get any benefit most of the year around.

As deep as Far Ken is away from me. That deep.

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Date: 27/03/2013 21:32:02
From: Glance Fleeting
ID: 287452
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/12/22/the-data-crunching-powerhouse-behind-avatar/

Thirty four racks comprise the computing core, made of 32 machines each with 40,000 processors and 104 terabytes of memory. Weta systems administrator Paul Gunn said that heat exchange for their servers had to be enclosed. The “industry standard of raised floors and forced-air cooling could not keep up with the constant heat coming off the machines,” said Gunn. “We need to stack the gear closely to get the bandwidth we need and, because the data flows are so great, the storage has to be local.” The solutions was the use of water-cooled racks from Rittal.

Gunn also noted that tens of thousands of dollars were saved by fine tuning the temperature by a degree. Weta won an energy excellence award recently for building a smaller footprint that came with a 40 percent lower cooling cost for a data center of its type.

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Date: 27/03/2013 21:39:39
From: wookiemeister
ID: 287454
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

Boris said:


bit like those air cons you see on grand designs with “miles” of tubing buried in the yard. i wonder why it is not used more here, or is it and i just don’t hear of it.

it is used here but not by many people

some place pvc tubes into the ground and push air from the house through the coolest part of the grounds and then back into the house

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Date: 27/03/2013 21:40:29
From: wookiemeister
ID: 287456
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

Dropbear said:


Boris said:

bit like those air cons you see on grand designs with “miles” of tubing buried in the yard. i wonder why it is not used more here, or is it and i just don’t hear of it.

works better with cooler ground temperatures…

you’d need to bury them farken deep in Aus to get any benefit most of the year around.


the coolest depth is on average 0.5 m

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Date: 27/03/2013 21:55:34
From: Stealth
ID: 287460
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

Boris said:


IT’S an Australian first, happening in Perth – a geothermal system has been designed to cool an $80 million petascale supercomputing facility at the Australian Resources Research Centre (ARRC) in Kensington’s Park.

BARSTOOLS, I am going to turn on my bore 24/7 and drain all the water from their cooling area before they heat up my bore water and fry my plants…

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Date: 27/03/2013 23:10:53
From: morrie
ID: 287479
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

wookiemeister said:


Boris said:

bit like those air cons you see on grand designs with “miles” of tubing buried in the yard. i wonder why it is not used more here, or is it and i just don’t hear of it.

it is used here but not by many people

some place pvc tubes into the ground and push air from the house through the coolest part of the grounds and then back into the house


I have a book called the Settlers Guide, published in WA in 1897 where they describe a similar system.

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Date: 27/03/2013 23:12:27
From: Stealth
ID: 287480
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

morrie said:


wookiemeister said:

Boris said:

bit like those air cons you see on grand designs with “miles” of tubing buried in the yard. i wonder why it is not used more here, or is it and i just don’t hear of it.

it is used here but not by many people

some place pvc tubes into the ground and push air from the house through the coolest part of the grounds and then back into the house


I have a book called the Settlers Guide, published in WA in 1897 where they describe a similar system.


A 1897 book about PVC piping… hmmm….

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Date: 27/03/2013 23:13:04
From: morrie
ID: 287481
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

morrie said:


wookiemeister said:

Boris said:

bit like those air cons you see on grand designs with “miles” of tubing buried in the yard. i wonder why it is not used more here, or is it and i just don’t hear of it.

it is used here but not by many people

some place pvc tubes into the ground and push air from the house through the coolest part of the grounds and then back into the house


I have a book called the Settlers Guide, published in WA in 1897 where they describe a similar system.


Only they don’t push the air out and back. It is a natural draft system.

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Date: 27/03/2013 23:31:32
From: morrie
ID: 287487
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

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Date: 27/03/2013 23:33:11
From: wookiemeister
ID: 287491
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

i saw a house in renew magazine with this system

i used to buy it then couldn’t be bothered , it came out only a few times a year

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Date: 27/03/2013 23:37:19
From: wookiemeister
ID: 287495
Subject: re: Pawsey supercomputer to be cooled by local groundwater

if you want a house to be cool you’d be better off having a white roof and insulation on the back of the colorbond i think now. the insulation paint is a good idea but very expensive and unlike bog standard insulation will need to be replaced/ repainted after 10 years

i’d conside the cooling pipe idea only it could be demonstrated elsewhere

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